Based Camp - How Tucker Carlson Came to Hate Western Civilization

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be discussing the

00:00:05.220 increasing craziness that's coming from tucker carlson which i find really fascinating because

00:00:11.940 if you look at the leading voices on the right that are mad about the war in iran some are just

00:00:20.020 like you could see our episode on candace owens psychosis maxing was candace owens but like she's

00:00:25.040 just like a crazy person right like just an actual crazy person when you were telling me this morning

00:00:29.620 and i was like what the she thought that charlie kirk was trained at a school like for gifted

00:00:36.720 children like in the x-men was special the first thing that like really caught my attention was

00:00:41.600 that she she claimed that charlie kirk was a time traveler based on basically a joking

00:00:47.820 flirty text that he sent to her where she texted him i'm an alien frowny face and he responded

00:00:55.660 i think of a time traveler this is my home but i think you found me and time traveled with me

00:01:01.780 and she took that and just ran with it so that's that's an example of one like just not not like

00:01:08.360 normal conspiracy theories like just like actual crazy town stuff and then you have people like

00:01:13.160 nick fuentes right but nick fuentes has his own agenda and we'll go into him more later in this

00:01:17.800 because i used to believe about nick fuentes that he was just sort of a shock jock who was choosing

00:01:24.780 whatever with the most shocking thing to say and you don't anymore no i think the war has elucidated

00:01:31.100 his actual coherent agenda or clearly than it was historically and that has been very interesting

00:01:39.120 to me because then i'm like oh now i get what he's actually attempting to do and it is it what

00:01:44.100 it means is that he is more of a direct enemy of any mainstream mega america first conservative

00:01:51.280 than i originally realized really oh okay because i just didn't get it before and now and what i

00:01:59.200 realized he tells you and his audience what his real goals are he just leaves out a few steps in

00:02:05.420 between but to the next point tucker's different tucker is somebody who seems to be broadly saying

00:02:15.380 he is somebody who i really enjoyed and watched his content historically right like

00:02:22.480 he's been around for a long time like this is one of a one of those lifetime media figures that at

00:02:27.800 least if you're a millennial in the united states has just been part of the media landscape right

00:02:32.480 end of his run with fox which by the way people may not know this collins family lore but we were

00:02:37.920 supposed to be on his show we were in talks with his booking team the last friday that he held the

00:02:43.660 show but because it was his last show they changed the scheduling and that was brought on him all of

00:02:48.620 a sudden out of nowhere but we were in talks with his booking team which is really sad because we

00:02:51.880 have never been able to get back in talks with him after that like the team split up but anyway

00:02:55.900 during that period he was i think sort of like the key intellectual based voice i like the leading

00:03:03.980 thinker in that degree this was in the like it was post jordan peterson at that period and he had

00:03:10.180 really i think sharp and interesting takes so i hear some of his takes now and

00:03:16.460 i just am trying to model how he came to an understanding of reality that is so divergent

00:03:27.340 from anything that that i believe when i when i saw him before and i i i think i've come to it

00:03:33.620 simone helped me by being like you need to remember she's a boomer okay he's seen the

00:03:38.580 through boomer goggles he's not going to see the world the way you do but my favorite and this is

00:03:43.780 one of the quotes that really inspired this for me was there's been multiple quotes from him

00:03:48.440 recently a lot of people have heard the one where he said any middle eastern city is better than any

00:03:52.200 american city i travel so much that i see it there's not a single western city that's thriving

00:04:00.600 and they're all degrading in exactly the same way there's a lot of it just a moral decay

00:04:06.940 or is it actually true from everything?

00:04:08.840 It's a lot of things, but it's self-hatred.

00:04:10.840 Every city. 0.98

00:04:11.240 Crazy. 0.69

00:04:11.800 Every European city, every American city.

00:04:13.420 And I've noticed it because I travel outside the Western world,

00:04:19.300 the white world.

00:04:19.880 I'll just be honest, the white world. 0.85

00:04:21.160 I travel a lot in the Middle East.

00:04:23.660 It's amazing.

00:04:24.980 It's amazing.

00:04:25.900 And it's incredible to be in a place that has pride in itself,

00:04:30.920 that believes in its religion and culture,

00:04:32.860 that thinks we're on to something.

00:04:34.280 And this is great.

00:04:34.920 Look at what we're doing.

00:04:35.600 We're really proud of this.

00:04:36.940 Wilson this one's for you if you see it your commentary pushed me towards looking deeper

00:04:44.860 into these systems that we fall blindly in and it actually made me a Muslim so Tucker I would 0.96

00:04:52.240 love to talk to you we make mistakes sometimes but Tucker it would be great to talk to you

00:04:58.060 inshallah God willing you should know who Iran is a threat to so peace be upon you Tucker 1.00

00:05:04.760 but he also had one where he was talking about how a moscow was better than american cities

00:05:11.380 what was radicalizing very shocking and very disturbing for me was the city of moscow where

00:05:16.000 i'd never been the biggest city in europe 13 million people and it is so much nicer than any

00:05:20.700 city in my country i had no idea it is so much cleaner and safer and prettier aesthetically

00:05:26.700 than any country city in the united states that you have and this is non-ideological

00:05:30.320 but that was it but that was a separate stage like there are these various points in recent

00:05:36.080 history where tucker carlson has done something that makes him seem like a foreign agent like

00:05:42.160 going to moscow and walking through the grocery stores and being like oh my gosh this is so much

00:05:47.240 better than america and now he's just doing it with middle east this is like middle east edition

00:05:51.040 yeah so first of all a lot of people are like oh he can't be a foreign agent because he's super rich

00:05:55.720 which is not true it is true that his stepmother owned a family fortune from some food production

00:06:03.340 company that was bought by Campbell like 40 years ago but not anymore like the money from what we

00:06:09.620 can tell from records didn't pass to him so he actually might be up for money and if you look

00:06:15.120 at the amount of money he has it's that sweet spot that comes from it's estimated around 50 million

00:06:19.880 which is a sweet spot of like I'm taking bribes but I'm not stupidly wealthy from the bribes that

00:06:24.640 bribes don't make sense anymore so that wait you think well wait you're trying to argue that someone

00:06:32.580 with 50 million dollars feels like they need more money 50 million is the amount of money i typically

00:06:39.300 expect an extremely corrupt person to be if i was a corrupt official in the middle east i would

00:06:44.700 expect them to have around 50 million dollars if i was a corrupt russian i'd expect them to have

00:06:48.300 around 50 million dollars if i was somebody taking it's the amount that you can earn from bribes

00:06:53.720 where you still want more bribes like if he had like a billion dollars i wouldn't think that

00:06:58.980 russia or qatar could bribe him maybe there's the point to be made too that wealthy people aren't

00:07:06.180 above loving a good deal or free things in fact many people who have worked for high net worth

00:07:12.820 individuals have commented that there is no one more like what's the word

00:07:18.900 really miserly yeah no one more miserly than really rich people who are like well i'm not

00:07:26.380 gonna pay like two dollars and fifty cents as a convenience fee for this you need to walk five

00:07:30.680 blocks to you know that kind of thing the the point being he he's gone pretty far and put a lot

00:07:36.340 of effort into debasing himself it seems that there's some motivation for this and that's what

00:07:40.240 i want to dig into okay just immediate counterpoint what if saying these things and garnering the

00:07:48.040 controversy which we are now participating in drives views which is to his benefit whether or

00:07:54.460 not it's it's money or attention you know sometimes wealthy people just really want attention and he's

00:07:59.220 certainly getting it by dealing these takes out well at least historically that didn't seem to be

00:08:05.140 his strategy which you could say is maybe post fox he's tried to move to a just anything for

00:08:10.300 attention strategy he's also interviewing people like nick fuentes which again is garnering a lot

00:08:16.920 of controversy and people really came at him for you know according to them platforming this

00:08:21.940 terrible person who should not be getting any more attention so he's done things that have

00:08:26.640 that would be concurrent with a strategy to get views based on controversy there yeah but there's 0.99

00:08:33.300 a difference between controversy and making yourself look stupid and some of the stuff that 0.99

00:08:38.120 he's done recently just looks stupid so an example and we'll go into it in a bit where his like dubai 0.99

00:08:44.560 comments about how perfect Dubai is and how everything in Dubai is great and why can't 0.98

00:08:47.940 America be more like Dubai and I was telling someone I was like going to Dubai and thinking

00:08:51.820 that it's like this beautiful perfect place is a bit like going to Disney World and coming back

00:08:56.920 and being like oh my god you wouldn't believe it I saw the Elsa she was just standing in the road

00:09:03.120 hugging children she's the most amazing person everything and the god forbid she actually be

00:09:08.920 governing over her country at least that's concurrent with the lore yeah the parallels 1.00

00:09:13.780 are really actually strong here because people don't know disney world has plainclothes agents

00:09:18.020 all over the street like watching to make sure that like nobody's throwing a fit or being unhappy

00:09:22.340 and you'll be like arrested and removed from the park if you are and dubai works on a very similar

00:09:27.040 system outside of like all the slavery and everything that makes the the emirates work

00:09:32.080 with 80 of the people they are not being citizens and having to live by very different laws and

00:09:37.600 having a very two-tiered system between maratis and non-emiratis but even there's actually like

00:09:43.280 influencers there have spoken very openly about their experience with the authorities regulating

00:09:49.920 what influencers are allowed to say i saw one clip where an influencer was talking about

00:09:54.780 actually being taken in to talk with these people who didn't arrest him or detain him they just

00:10:00.680 brought him in and he commented on how young and attractive they were and we were joking that like

00:10:06.520 when she first told me this i was like oh my god one really good way to handle it to have like

00:10:11.600 really attractive looking like blinged out like emirates but then because because emirates if 0.66

00:10:17.900 they are working in a position like that bureaucratic positions they often have quite

00:10:20.660 a lot of wealth so you would expect them to have like their designer brands walking in like a group

00:10:24.960 with like a bone box and like very zoolander to come and arrest you got to it's basically

00:10:31.300 aren't you afraid the fashion police will come and meet you with their fabulous batons yeah

00:10:37.720 basically now it's it's exactly that i just love it so much i'm doing like poses in the background

00:10:45.060 while like they're explaining to the influencer like yes

00:10:48.360 it is a very zoolander kind of situation where everything's just kind of pretend ridiculous world

00:10:57.420 and everything's kind of on the surface because i've also looked at some of the

00:11:02.600 the types of properties and areas that people are encountering when in Dubai and it's very

00:11:11.620 much that like manufactured luxury where if you come from a disadvantaged background and you may

00:11:18.400 not be familiar with I don't know historical luxury you think it's nice but it's often very

00:11:26.260 thin and not a lot of actual thought or even good design has gone into it and obviously there's some

00:11:31.740 areas and buildings and stuff in dubai with really really good construction excellent

00:11:35.660 fixtures and everything but i think there's a lot of it that just is is a fake luxury in the way

00:11:40.680 like you know a butterfly might have a face on its wings and like all these people like see

00:11:45.060 they're like oh a face a face it's a face and it's not no it has been designed to make you believe

00:11:51.320 that for a specific strategic reason dubai is actually for people who haven't been to dubai

00:11:56.800 have you been did you go that i've been to dubai yeah dubai is is it really sort of reminds me of

00:12:03.240 a giant mall with extra high ceilings everywhere you go and like way too much marble but it doesn't

00:12:09.800 feel like nice it has that second world anyone who's ever lived in a second world country where 0.60

00:12:16.780 like all the food's just like a little off and you can't get the highest quality anything and

00:12:21.200 everything feels a little like construction problem stuff like this Dubai has a similar 0.97

00:12:26.620 vibe to it but but very wealthy and more polished and also stupidly hot like everything is stupidly

00:12:34.160 hot but anyway I want to go into his actual quotes here and we can dissect what he might

00:12:38.900 be getting at so the first one that really got me was there's not a single western city that's

00:12:44.040 thriving they're all in moral and physical decay because of self-hatred and a lost will to live

00:12:50.080 What's fascinating is even in this attack on the West here, he is driving more. There are ways to say that the urban monoculture is a problem without being self-hating Westerner. And yet he is saying, I am a self-hating Westerner because the West is failing and self-hating, right?

00:13:10.900 I'm like, you don't need to drive the very thing that you say that you're against, right?

00:13:15.560 There's ways to attack progressive tendencies, urban monoculture tendencies, while saying

00:13:21.320 that this isn't true of all layers of Western society, certainly not the layers that we're

00:13:25.400 attempting to save.

00:13:26.780 But then he goes on to say things like, Sharia law has made Islamic countries more advanced

00:13:32.140 in the West.

00:13:33.120 And I travel a lot in the Middle East.

00:13:34.840 It's amazing.

00:13:35.520 The Muslim countries governed by Sharia law.

00:13:38.440 and you go there and it's incredible to be in a place that has pride in itself that believes in

00:13:43.540 its religion and culture that thinks we're on to something that kind of self-confidence is what

00:13:48.040 creates stability and hospitality and in a place like dubai which is basically it's a luxury brand

00:13:53.460 basically people go to dubai because it's beautiful rich and clean and above all because it's safe

00:13:59.160 and it's got the busiest airport in the world and he goes you start seeing a video on instagram

00:14:05.640 of smoke in the dubai airport and you're like i think i'm going to cabo this year oh sorry drug

00:14:11.160 cartels whatever maybe i'll go to sidenna this year implying a preference ship away from the

00:14:16.480 united states and he goes on to say anyone who likes decency and order and cleanliness is hoping

00:14:22.520 the gulf will recover the gulf is not a threat to us these are some of our closest allies so

00:14:26.860 huge notes we need to add to a lot of the stuff he's saying here first really weird that he notes

00:14:33.560 that like all countries under Sharia law is implying are much cleaner and nicer than American 0.99

00:14:39.660 cities. There are a handful of places where you could plausibly make this argument. Some cities in

00:14:46.880 Dubai, Qatar, a few in Saudi Arabia, but the vast minority, the vast majority of countries under

00:14:54.740 sharia law are like some of the biggest on earth if and this is weird to me like has he not been

00:15:03.820 like anywhere else in the middle east has he not been anywhere in north africa like i'm i'm actually

00:15:09.640 has he never even been to like egypt like that's any egypt morocco like anywhere right like

00:15:15.280 these are palestine is another example of this these places there is like literally

00:15:23.300 i don't think i think if you go to some of the worst neighborhoods in the united states they

00:15:30.940 would be about equivalent to neighborhoods at the top 10 percent in most of these other countries

00:15:39.080 now no no here i'm not saying the top one percent because there's some extremely wealthy people in

00:15:42.780 these countries but i think around the top 10 percent would be equivalent with like a dangerous

00:15:48.100 like a strawberry mansion in philadelphia or something like that an example of this in egypt

00:15:53.340 they did a poll on what percent of women were essayed do you know what percent of egyptian

00:15:58.080 women have been aid i mean how are they defining it i don't remember by the way yeah like okay what 0.98

00:16:06.400 like 20 99 or 98 basically all women in egypt have been sexually assaulted but this is not

00:16:14.680 this is what i mean when people are like oh it's really it's not really that dangerous to be in

00:16:18.920 egypt it's like no it really is and this is this is one of those things this is just like an

00:16:26.540 anti-reality statement the second anti-reality statement and i mean he must know this he's an

00:16:32.100 educated person is that the countries in the gulf right now are the countries that are promoting us

00:16:39.500 finishing this war most aggressively specifically because if we don't finish the war this is the

00:16:47.240 thing that gets me okay we don't finish the war we let iran just control the strait of hermuth

00:16:52.420 they continue blocking it economically we find out china is the main global power who's hurt by that 0.91

00:16:58.940 but who is the biggest regional power who's hurt by that it's qatar that is classically one of our

00:17:04.540 biggest enemies in the in the region and one of iran's biggest friends and people who are like

00:17:08.640 oh no, Iran is selectively letting ships to, like two a day on average, not at a meaningful rate.

00:17:14.660 And they charge them like $2 million to get through. So they're not even like economically

00:17:18.840 that viable. This is what it's been offering China to try to get Chinese ships through.

00:17:24.000 The point being is this is a war that we, and it makes sense why Saudi Arabia wants us to finish 0.55

00:17:30.620 this and the UAE and Qatar wants us to finish it. If we don't finish it, even Saudi Arabia ships a

00:17:37.120 lot of its oil through the straight up um like yeah is it Hormuz Hormuz or something yeah I don't

00:17:43.700 know the UAE does Qatar definitely does like the UAE might be able to like because they're sort of

00:17:48.780 down near the bottom of it uh find some sort of solution to this but Qatar definitely can't um 0.82

00:17:55.820 so he's saying stuff like this and I'm like okay what's what's going on so then I want to go into

00:18:02.880 other things he said and see if i can piece together a coherent world ideology like why

00:18:09.440 is he cheering for real law yeah well also because even in his typical recording studio

00:18:16.680 you know all this branding is is christian american dad man right like that's kind of

00:18:23.360 what he's going for with the vest and everything like i just the white button down it's just so

00:18:30.440 odd to me that he would be saying all this very non-christian i mean he even talks about it when

00:18:36.940 he's like oh you know i'm i'm a christian man but you know these people aren't you know making me

00:18:42.960 convert my religion they're fine with me they you know i tell them that i believe in jesus and

00:18:48.260 they're like good for you and yeah like he's keeping the branding it just it just surprises

00:18:53.600 me that therefore he's so anti-america for that reason and i i'm sure he would take exception to

00:19:01.360 being accused of being anti-american he would probably push back and be like no i believe in

00:19:06.380 america i want an america where people are proud of themselves who are proud to be who they are

00:19:11.020 because in a clip that i watched recently he was talking not just about the middle east but how

00:19:15.680 like when you go to japan everyone's so proud about you know who they are and confident in

00:19:19.740 themselves and i think maybe what he's alluding to here is is this urban monoculture associated

00:19:25.020 self-hatred and he's just so sick of that now at this point anything that's not that looks good

00:19:30.720 well so in his explicit quote where he was talking about qatar and he's like and look qatar is so

00:19:37.260 diverse like he wants america to be more diverse and he goes but in america like we say we want

00:19:41.920 diversity but then we move away when too many black people move into our neighborhoods and 1.00

00:19:45.440 stuff like that those people are happy they're welcoming of others they're tolerant of diversity 0.97

00:19:51.420 like always right tolerant of diversity there's none of that here are you kidding all the whites 0.99

00:19:55.880 oh we love black people then they run and move to bozeman because they're no black people absolutely 1.00

00:20:01.020 send their kids to the they hate diversity they hate it and it our version of it isn't working at 0.98

00:20:06.680 all like at all so but you go to a country like japan or the emirates or qatar saudi arabia and

00:20:14.520 And you see that that when people are self-confident, when they're really pleased with what they're doing and they believe that their system is the right system, that self-confidence results in a kind of welcoming attitude.

00:20:29.220 They're Muslims. It's a country governed by Sharia law. Right. And they're like, that's great. Good for you. Yeah. 0.96

00:20:34.760 Like promoting more integration in the United States, where I should point out, by the way, if you're familiar with the way places like Dubai are actually handled, they have giant, incredibly segregated ghettos where they keep their workforces of mostly Indians and some Africans.

00:20:53.240 and that where the cities look diverse all you're seeing is ultra rich people from all over the

00:20:59.080 world who have escaped with their country's money that's typically why you end up in dubai if you

00:21:04.300 were a corrupt leader in part of africa or you were a corrupt leader and so of course that's 0.51

00:21:08.020 going to you know in east asia that's going to look very diverse on the surface if you take the

00:21:12.180 most corrupt people from all over the world they're going to be able to interact with each

00:21:15.460 other plainly like they're not going to need to steal from each other or anything like this

00:21:18.660 and you basically keep everyone else in a, in a open air prison, that's going to look really nice

00:21:25.060 on face value, but that's not actual diversity, right? Nobody, like when you, when you're at 0.99

00:21:31.700 Harvard, right? And you are going to like your student club and a bunch of black people show up, 0.96

00:21:38.940 you don't think you're about to get jumped by them, right? You know, Harvard student is like, 0.80

00:21:43.040 oh, a bunch of, but the same student, you know, in a different context may walking alone at night

00:21:50.000 on the street, walk to the other side of the road. And that's because those are two different

00:21:54.100 populations that you're dealing with. Right. And every sane person is aware that there is a

00:21:59.740 difference between, you know, random African immigrants and super wealthy people who have

00:22:06.100 escaped their country to live in Dubai. But I found that interesting that he's still pushing

00:22:11.020 this like boomer narrative of like the the ultra integrated iteration of America where even I would

00:22:20.140 say America can work with different populations while having regional ghettos like I do not think 1.00

00:22:26.960 we need to force integrate people of different racial groups or even create cultural pressure 1.00

00:22:32.080 to do that like it's okay if people want to live predominantly around people who are like

00:22:37.560 themselves and and we shouldn't you know that tucker is creating this kind of shame so before

00:22:43.140 i go further with this i'll just explain where i think he's getting that perspective from

00:22:46.120 i think he has this boomer idea of america as like a true melting pot and like diversity is

00:22:55.780 actually our strength and that he's still attempting to push that mindset of which which

00:23:02.860 basically no mainstream youth conservative agrees with and i think that like like even people like

00:23:08.320 us where i'm like look uh you do get some value from diversity like i don't want a meal that's

00:23:14.360 just one food right like one ingredient but a meal isn't better because you added more ingredients

00:23:20.800 and there are some ingredients that just don't go together and shouldn't be on the same plate

00:23:25.720 and i think that that's the way we need to treat our country and immigration and diversity is to

00:23:31.260 realize that different groups are actually different and that some of them are going to

00:23:36.200 have a higher probability of integrating and becoming good American citizens. And even of

00:23:41.960 the traditional American cultural groups, they interact with each other in unique ways and they

00:23:47.080 shouldn't be forced to integrate. But that's, I think, what many modern center conservatives

00:23:53.600 think, which is not what he thinks. He wants to go back to boomer vision of American patriotism.

00:23:59.100 but then he says stuff like this what was radicalizing and very shocking this is during

00:24:03.760 his tour of moscow it was very disturbing for me it was the city of moscow the biggest city in

00:24:08.840 europe with 13 million people it's so much nicer than any city in my country it's so much cleaner

00:24:13.640 safer prettier aesthetically it's architecture it's food it's service than any city in the united

00:24:18.680 states and then specifically on the moscow subway specifically he said it's nicer than in our

00:24:23.700 country no graffiti no smells no drug addicts so note here the moscow subway is genuinely really

00:24:29.760 nice but that's because of a holdover of communism where they wanted to make the subway look really

00:24:34.280 nice because they thought that that like made everything look nice but moscow itself is one of

00:24:41.740 the worst like most dangerous cities in all of europe like one of the most gangstery how so just

00:24:49.740 in terms of crime stats or what yeah crime rundownness falling apartness like bleakness

00:24:56.940 a nice cafe you probably can ask for ahmad tea

00:25:04.220 someone's drying out their shoes pillow i don't know what's going on here like and and this is

00:25:15.340 even the thing if he had said those same things but he was touring st petersburg i'd be like oh

00:25:21.540 yeah but that's just st petersburg you should go to moscow and see how bad it can be but moscow's

00:25:26.640 not like you're there is like a four block area of moscow that is like reasonably like you know

00:25:34.100 rich and then you get outside of that and moscow is like i know i've actively from like my friends

00:25:42.080 who travel a lot i was thinking about going to moscow once and they were like because one of my

00:25:47.840 good friends worked in moscow for a while and like terrorism related stuff and she was like bro you

00:25:54.220 do not want to go to moscow and this was you know who i'm talking about someone um she goes you do

00:25:59.240 not i'm a big fan of st petersburg and i think you've been to st petersburg she's like go to

00:26:03.400 st petersburg and i'm like i've been to st petersburg it's great but she's like moscow is

00:26:07.080 not st petersburg do not think you're going to get the st petersburg experience from moscow

00:26:10.580 so is it is it like edinburgh glasgow kind of thing or what no no well no glasgow gets a worse

00:26:17.780 reputation than it actually is glasgow's mostly fine in the in the historic parts i might call it

00:26:23.940 one of my favorite cities actually it's a fine city musk now there are yeah but that's the point 1.00

00:26:29.900 is maybe moscow also is mostly really cool especially in the historic parts and it just

00:26:35.260 has less moscow is more like a state capital you know one of those cities that really just

00:26:41.260 exists for administration it's like the kind of like no one actually no because a lot of people

00:26:47.080 live there i think i follow some influencers who live there and talk about no no no it's a very

00:26:51.540 populated city but it's a city yeah that basically became artificially populated during communism

00:26:57.900 as sort of the the the bureaucratic hive at the center of all bureaucratic hives um if you've

00:27:04.460 ever been to a a state capital city like you know the one in pennsylvania what's it called again

00:27:09.460 what's the harrisburg harrisburg or what's the state capital of california sacramento sacramento

00:27:15.200 so you know like harrisburg museum you have that sort of vibe to them of like the most soulless

00:27:21.380 of soulless cities like everything's kind of slummy everything's kind of dirty and there's

00:27:27.380 cities that are really only there they're quite populated but they're only there like because

00:27:31.680 that's where the organizational administration is um moscow has a very similar vibe but like

00:27:37.760 dialed up to 100 okay so it's not i don't think he could get this takeaway if he was like being

00:27:44.960 so that's where i get like the moscow one being fooled by dubai i can see some witless doomer but

00:27:51.180 i don't sorry witless boomer fooled by dubai i can't see anyone unless they had a handler the

00:27:56.980 entire time which he may he like sure you you must have i think just the the visa situation

00:28:04.220 going to russia i think is fairly maybe that's it maybe maybe the reason he had this view on

00:28:10.360 moscow is he's like a very when something fits his pre-existing worldview he has this very

00:28:15.560 uncritical eye to it and so he goes around and he's like yeah i do i think he's he is very

00:28:22.540 trusting he comes across as very trusting this is you know how his Nick Fuentes interview went

00:28:28.140 you know he tries to be empathetic and I think this is one of the the reasons why his interviews

00:28:33.700 go really well is he's he's not just kind of abrasive and confrontational and not actually

00:28:39.400 listening to people like he'll he'll express his doubts with people but in a very respectful way

00:28:44.840 when he's talking with them and I think he's a more agreeable personality like he doesn't he's

00:28:50.460 not intentionally or euphorically disagreeable like some media figures and i think that maybe

00:28:56.620 that leads him when he's traveling in foreign nations to kind of just yes and any we'll say

00:29:04.500 propaganda or i'm putting something together well this could also explain why he has such a negative

00:29:09.180 view of the united states which is if you grew up with that sort of boomer idea of america where

00:29:16.220 you know forced integration is like a a obvious and net good um and that a lot of people who grew

00:29:23.400 up in that generation think it's like sort of cool to and that they have full permission being

00:29:28.380 american to be down on america and an american culture and that that's almost sort of like a

00:29:34.220 positive thing like it's a very leftist thing to do but some conservatives that have been around

00:29:38.480 like wealthy circles for long enough and and and had to code switch into that enough may have

00:29:43.760 accidentally integrated that with their world perspective and so he goes to other places

00:29:48.480 and to try to be hospitable because he's got the really nice handler and stuff like that

00:29:53.220 he ends up saying things like that like this is nicer than anywhere i've seen in america these

00:29:58.460 days you know and then he ends up integrating that belief both complaining about a problem but

00:30:04.640 also being one of the chief sort of distributors of the problem that he's complaining about

00:30:09.840 but being unable to see that because he's just trying to be nice in the moment and not having

00:30:15.540 agreeable and conformist broadly okay okay yeah no no so so so basically you're saying like he is

00:30:23.540 he'll pick up the temperature or vibe of a room and then just project it and so when he's in

00:30:28.480 america and everyone's just around like on average especially people sort of in the media and online

00:30:33.840 are very negative about america so he just picks up on that and projects it and then he goes

00:30:38.400 to other countries and in other countries he meets with minders and leaders who are obviously very

00:30:43.720 bullish on those countries and then he's getting the most propagandic highlighted version of those

00:30:48.900 and then he's picking up on that and saying the part of american society that is most anti-america

00:30:56.520 and most negative about america are wealthy elite americans these are people in elite institutions

00:31:04.620 these are people in elite positions that's the group that he is disproportionately in socializing

00:31:11.160 ways however yeah the people who are most pro well and especially oh oh malcolm keep in mind i think

00:31:16.640 also the old guard of conservatives which is definitely what he's coming from instead of the

00:31:21.660 new tech right is definitely of of that more like negative yeah every every techno optimist or

00:31:28.960 optimistic, patriotic, conservative I'm aware of now is more on the new tech right end of the

00:31:36.040 spectrum. Yeah. Whereas there's also got this flavor of conservatism. Yeah. The, the, if you

00:31:43.520 go to Russia or Dubai, the ultra wealthy individuals are actually genuinely pretty

00:31:48.840 jingo, jingoistic. Yes. Yes. Ultra wealthy in Russia, you're likely making money off of state

00:31:54.620 corruption, right? And so that means that you want Putin and the current regime to stay in power.

00:32:00.620 You are pro this war. You are pro. It's the same with Dubai or Qatar. If you don't make a point 0.96

00:32:07.640 of trying to get to know average people on the ground in Dubai and Qatar, and you're just

00:32:12.260 surrounding with the ultra wealthy people at parties and stuff like that, you're going to

00:32:16.900 have this perception that everybody loves being there. That explains it. Yes, a complete lack

00:32:21.940 of curiosity about the perspectives of people outside of his class that could explain this

00:32:28.280 without needing to add any nefarious like he's being paid off or anything like that

00:32:32.120 other weird things he said that i'm going to try to like find explanations for like what does it

00:32:37.520 like how did a sane person actually come to this perspective so he had on berg recently on his show

00:32:44.080 who is a well-known israeli communist and a lot of people thought that was really weird but the one

00:32:50.120 thing that Berg does have is he is very anti Netanyahu very anti-Zionist and so I think that

00:32:58.580 that like I can understand that you want to have on opinions of Israelis who have opinions that

00:33:04.900 other people may not have already heard so you bring somebody like that onto your show right

00:33:09.980 next he said not defending the regime just saying that Venezuela is one of the most conservative

00:33:17.160 countries in north or south or central america second only to el salvador under buqueco it's

00:33:23.720 possible we're mad that he doesn't allow gay marriage that this is a distinct possibility 0.96

00:33:29.640 but no one will say it aloud the u.s backed opposition leader who would take maduro's place

00:33:34.420 is of course pretty eager to get gay marriage in venezuela so those of you who thought this 0.95

00:33:38.940 whole project was global homo you're not crazy actually so this is what he said on venezuela 0.88

00:33:44.240 right that venezuela is actually good this was under the maduro regime and they our plan was 0.97

00:33:50.160 to remove him and replace him with the opposition leader to make gay now of course none of that

00:33:54.440 happened the way he thought we removed him and replaced him with somebody to release prisoners 0.85

00:33:58.160 of war and help us economically and blockade cuba and beat the communists not you know so like 0.70

00:34:04.260 clearly his world perspective is not predictive of future events or actions but uh what's he

00:34:11.840 thinking here like why why would he be glazing like to glaze iran and venezuela and like what's

00:34:18.760 going on here right i think he sees as his core enemy the urban monoculture but he cannot

00:34:31.620 differentiate because of its world perspective between the current western society and the urban

00:34:38.720 monoculture so because he hates what he calls global homo or what we would call like a one 0.99

00:34:45.020 facet of the urban monoculture he believes that he and he doesn't have a language for that or words

00:34:51.800 for that he will then project that onto the west more broadly reflexively and so when he sees

00:35:00.240 somebody fighting both the west and against gay people right like venezuela is he sees them as an

00:35:10.440 ally this could also explain his soft position on iran it's like they're fighting against the west

00:35:18.120 the west is urban monoculture so it's almost like he yeah he he intuitively understands that cancer

00:35:25.320 is bad and therefore like radiation treatment's good and then he's like yes we just need to we

00:35:32.040 need all the radiation but he doesn't understand that this is like a targeted treatment or something

00:35:35.840 like that yeah yeah because if you and and and this is compounded with because he never hangs

00:35:43.120 out with middle class people or or lower class people if you if you leave american cities right

00:35:50.100 and you go to the suburbs and you go to you know like an outdoor movie screening or something like

00:35:57.760 that you will see people flying american flags and grilling and and integrated by the way like

00:36:04.980 a meaningful context right like you will see people of many different cultures who are just 0.99

00:36:10.400 having fun being american this is a normal site for for people like me like simone when you and

00:36:18.660 i go out in where we live which is outside of philadelphia and this is the other area where

00:36:23.100 he's like well american cities are terrible and it's like well yes but if the urban monoculture

00:36:28.220 specifically urban monoculture is the problem it intrinsically congregates in cities if you don't

00:36:35.060 and he doesn't even live in the city personally so i'm also so confused by that like he's like

00:36:39.460 i think he lives up in a like remote cabin in maine which is maybe it's lovely how can you

00:36:46.900 be in rural Maine and think that America sucks yeah this this also really confuses me I'm like

00:36:53.380 what is he seeing that I mean if you're like taking a cab into like the center of New York 0.72

00:37:00.640 City like through Times Square or something and just being like oh yeah you know like this

00:37:05.120 this is gross there's trash everywhere like that's my assumption maybe is that like when he

00:37:10.560 goes into a major US city it's more likely to be San Francisco or Los Angeles or New York and as

00:37:17.700 you're driving your Uber through any one of those cities you're going to be pretty disappointed with

00:37:21.540 what you see then you walk into a CVS to pick up some water because you don't have anything you're

00:37:25.060 staying in like a hotel and everything's locked up like he would just see the worst parts of America

00:37:30.040 and you have a a boomer mindset so in his boomer mindset America is two things right like it's the

00:37:39.360 the tastemakers the dominant culture which he would call western culture we call it the urban

00:37:44.320 monoculture and then christian culture which is fighting against that um and like those are the

00:37:50.660 two meaningful factions in his mind rather than it's the urban monoculture fighting against

00:37:55.460 a large number of alternate cultures that want a the various different christian cultures various

00:38:02.360 different even even ancestral cultures in the united states when we talk about like american

00:38:06.240 cultural anthropology in some of our videos if you don't have that education and you're not prone

00:38:12.640 to seeing things that way this world view can make sense but now i'm like why he's so anti-trump

00:38:18.520 so this is like before even the war wasn't he pro-trump earlier doesn't he say in various

00:38:25.620 yeah i mean he goes like videos are good friends i mean like he was invited to the white house he

00:38:33.080 presumably thinks he's a friend of trump i don't understand okay yeah like let's also talk about

00:38:37.760 that so there was this case where he went on his show looking all freaked out saying that

00:38:42.280 the cia had tapped his phone and was trying to frame him for a crime what's so a few funny

00:38:48.620 things about this it turns out that he had a series of meetings was one i think only two days

00:38:54.220 before the the main bombing and so a lot of people were like why does he think so the the the branch

00:39:00.400 that he thought had tapped his phone would have had taps on pretty much everyone in the

00:39:05.120 iranian government's phone but they wouldn't have been tapping the phones of random american

00:39:08.820 citizens which means he might have been and what i suspect happened is he was trying to book

00:39:15.460 maybe with somebody high in iran and that's not a that's not a that doesn't that's not an

00:39:20.140 incriminating thing and then he had a freak out afterwards but what's humorous about the freak

00:39:25.020 out of the few things there has been talking that we might have been using him as a counter

00:39:30.240 agent spy basically feeding him bad information that he would then accidentally feed to iranians

00:39:37.540 and given that he appears to be pretty gullible he may have actually been doing this accidentally

00:39:42.680 i don't think he would do it intentionally but i could totally see him doing it accidentally

00:39:45.840 but we do know that they felt really secure they were not even having that meeting in the lower

00:39:49.840 safer levels they were having it in the mid levels like right after we had threatened them so

00:39:54.940 maybe he did actually go and tell them it's all safe but it would be really hilarious if

00:40:01.160 tucker carlson played a key role and the united states being able to like successfully eliminating 0.80

00:40:06.100 it would be really funny but the the even funnier thing is is some reporter apparently with a lot

00:40:13.020 of connections and like the nsa and the cia did like a deep dive on this and she goes no one has

00:40:17.600 any idea what he's talking about so it might just be that he thinks he's being tapped and he's being

00:40:22.540 paranoid or he was trying to like run cover like maybe he was talking with somebody that he thought

00:40:27.060 he could get in trouble for and somebody warned him and then he had like a panic attack and decided

00:40:30.720 to that that seems more likely to me but one of the things he ended up saying about the government

00:40:36.100 was this is in 2025 mind you the most depressing thing about the united states in 2025 is that 0.98

00:40:41.960 we're led not just by bad people but by unimpressive dumb totally non-creative people 0.97

00:40:48.100 This is a deeply sad thing to say. I literally have never been so impressed with the effectiveness of an administration at achieving aims that you think he would care about, like reducing government size, stuff like this. 0.97

00:41:03.480 obviously trump had to pass that big bill because of promises he had already made but doge actually

00:41:09.980 did a pretty good job and trump has continued to do a good job of shutting down various departments

00:41:15.400 within the government like usaid and stuff like that that i'm really really glad people have been

00:41:20.760 pointing out how many leftist media outlets have crashed and burned after usaid went out and now

00:41:25.040 we're like oh my god was this like all always usaid you know like people are like this was 50

00:41:29.520 percent of somalia's economy and it's like why was that why was aid 50 of somalia's economy like

00:41:35.440 that's a problem man i didn't sign up to be the somalian daycare of actual somalia right like but

00:41:43.420 like how could you say that like if you saw the profiles to say that the people who are like

00:41:47.920 working at doge like my brother being one of them of course but then the other people they were like

00:41:51.900 super geniuses they were like really cool people and having some insight into you know simona and

00:41:57.180 I have gone to speak at the White House, meet with people of this administration, and I

00:42:01.920 have met with previous administrations of the past through other means.

00:42:04.520 I've never worked with them directly, but I've met a lot of people who have worked at

00:42:07.580 because of all of our work with secret societies, other administrations.

00:42:11.160 No administration has ever impressed me like this administration.

00:42:14.680 At a lot of other administrations, I got the like slimy bureaucrat, lifelong DC person

00:42:20.060 vibe for most of the people I met.

00:42:22.100 Within this administration, it has consistently been cool, young, conservative.

00:42:26.640 or tech bro and i and i think that we see this in the efficiency i mean that's why the maduro raid

00:42:32.340 went as well as it went that's why the iran campaign is going as well as is going i've been

00:42:36.620 so impressed yes yeah is because these organizations and some of them like literally

00:42:43.840 the guy secretary of the army right now is an old friend of ours dan driscoll he he's an old

00:42:50.060 friend of ours a tech bro and he runs the army right now right like and why are they doing well

00:42:55.260 because they have people like him what was it that he said when he first took over the army i really

00:43:00.080 liked some of this dude he said a variety of fantastic things no he's he's just modernizing

00:43:05.460 it and helping it work better he's improving so many things yeah what he was really focused on

00:43:11.480 is like we need to get away from like an army that is staffed based on you know political kickbacks

00:43:18.980 to you know x manufacturer y manufacturer and we need to focus on what the troops actually need to

00:43:25.980 get their jobs done and that was the same was about how they fight we had an episode on like

00:43:31.940 the troops intentionally pulling their punches watch that if that was crazy for me to learn that

00:43:37.260 like you couldn't shoot at a group until you knew they were armed like if somebody tagged a mosque

00:43:42.160 you can't shoot them now right like playing by vampire rules they put it in that episode right

00:43:47.180 And it's like, no, I closed the door on a residential house. 0.77

00:43:50.040 You can't come in.

00:43:51.120 And they're just like, no, we're not going to do that.

00:43:53.160 Why were we ever doing this?

00:43:54.920 Right.

00:43:55.140 And somebody was like, well, it couldn't look bad.

00:43:57.000 And it's like, I guess I don't care that much if it ends up looking bad.

00:44:00.000 And I like that that's the approach that they've been taking to getting this handled.

00:44:03.500 You know, don't put Americans in harm's way, but get things handled.

00:44:07.660 You want to see our like, why are we in this war episode?

00:44:10.680 We did that a few days ago with our war update.

00:44:13.440 I don't want to go over all of the facts on the ground about the assassination attempts

00:44:17.920 against Trump, the timeline to nuclear capability, which it appears had gotten really, really

00:44:24.280 short.

00:44:25.100 And one of the reasons why you can't have Iran with nukes, which I think a lot of people

00:44:29.240 don't get, is they're like, well, a lot of countries have nukes and they're maybe malevolent

00:44:34.560 actors on the world stage, but they're otherwise fine.

00:44:38.300 Like Russia has nukes, right?

00:44:40.300 And they're not our friends.

00:44:41.260 China has nukes and they're not our friends. Why is Iran having nukes any different from these 0.88

00:44:46.780 other organizations having nukes? And I think a lot of people can just see that and not understand

00:44:51.640 with the, like they're asking the question, what's the word here? Rhetorical question.

00:44:58.300 Yeah. They're asking it as like a rhetorical question without actually asking no why. And

00:45:02.320 there is an actual answer to that why. The reason why Iran is nothing at all like North Korea or

00:45:09.340 China or Russia is that Iran's core tactic in regards to foreign policy to the tune of,

00:45:17.180 I think when we looked at it, it was $4 billion a year is funding terrorist cells in other

00:45:22.660 countries. That is how Iran operates. Okay. They, they do not make alliances with other countries

00:45:29.300 in the same way that China might or something like that. They predominantly operate by funding

00:45:35.860 terrorist organizations. And when I say terrorist organizations, I mean non-state militias that are

00:45:42.300 basically like giant Islamist gangs. And these groups have no trouble using something like a 0.99

00:45:51.820 nuke on civilians if they ever got a hold of a nuke. And that is why Iran can't have nukes, 0.98

00:45:58.040 because Iran having nukes is the same as Hamas and Hezbollah having nukes, right? And these

00:46:04.740 organizations, you say, well, you know, they certainly wouldn't, they're always running

00:46:09.580 attacks on the United States. Like, what are you talking about? Right? Like even, even recently

00:46:13.500 there was a, like a recent, what was the, the, the bombing of the, where they drove a truck

00:46:19.480 into a synagogue kindergarten and it was completely bombed out. And unfortunately no one was killed

00:46:25.400 because good guys was guns, but his like brother was in Hezbollah or something. Right. You know,

00:46:30.340 like these are like actually like on our doorstep level dangers so i wanted to go into that for

00:46:38.660 people who do not get why iran having a nuke and people can be like oh well these other countries

00:46:43.000 fund terrorist non-state actors not really north korea does not really fund terrorist non-state

00:46:49.320 actors in other countries china doesn't really fund terrorist non-state actors in other countries

00:46:53.700 i thought saudi arabia did saudi arabia does saudi arabia have nukes no from my understanding

00:47:01.540 yeah saudi arabia doesn't the uae does but that's that's a core it's the video where we talk about

00:47:08.300 the cold war between saudi arabia and the uae but that's their core differentiation russia

00:47:12.160 actually doesn't that often it's it's very rare for russia to fund non-state terrorist actors

00:47:17.480 they typically fund when they're doing something like this pseudo-states so an example of that

00:47:22.940 would be like transistria or like what cuba transistria is a breakaway state in europe that's

00:47:30.060 still technically living in the communist union i've never heard of this before you should look

00:47:35.280 interesting yeah learning about because they live with all of the old soviet union stylings 0.99

00:47:41.940 and everything like that and statues and programs okay i have to look this up like

00:47:48.540 how if i've never heard of transistria before and russia will sometimes work with non-state actors

00:47:55.420 but more as like mercenaries to make money and gain control of resources not in the way that

00:48:00.700 iran does which is like maximum chaos strategy transnistria okay i pronounced it wrong

00:48:08.940 Officially known as the Pridnestrovian Moldovian Republic, and locally as Pridnestrovi, is a landlocked breakaway state, my god, you're right, internationally recognized as a part of Moldova.

00:48:24.540 Ah, interesting.

00:48:28.760 That's just so bizarre.

00:48:30.560 Okay, thank you for telling me about that.

00:48:32.080 sorry just but if you if you look at something like Transistria even if Transistria like

00:48:37.260 somehow got a hold of a nuke right and note here I've said that I do not actually believe that

00:48:42.900 Russia has usable nukes they have not run a nuclear test since before I was born over 30 years

00:48:51.200 since their last live nuke and the last time they they decided to play test a lot of their

00:48:56.220 Soviet era equipment it all fell apart yeah it fell apart disastrously and a nuke is harder to

00:49:03.540 maintain than a truck so I do not think any of their nukes are functional and for people when

00:49:09.680 we're wondering why can I say that with such certainty I am fairly certain that if they had

00:49:13.720 any functional nukes they would test them just to show the world especially right now with Ukraine 0.95

00:49:19.440 war that we still have functional nukes as like a way of escalation yeah I mean this is why North 0.99

00:49:25.500 korea does it no one else is gonna believe them and i think they also need to make sure they're

00:49:29.640 actually working yeah there's that but the fact that the the russians don't do it to me is like

00:49:35.480 proof positive they don't have working nukes but even if they gave transistria nuke transistria 0.76

00:49:39.900 isn't they're not like hamas or hezbollah they don't say death to america constantly

00:49:43.900 they don't constantly run terrorist orgs in other countries they're more of like a just like an

00:49:50.460 illegitimate state it's the same with like cuba right like cuba is not our friend but they're not

00:49:56.080 constantly doing terrorist attacks on us right they're they're well didn't you say that they

00:50:01.160 are kind of where a lot of antifa yeah a lot of it is trained in cuba like the antifa leadership

00:50:07.340 well antifa is bad but it's not like hezbollah or hamas to compare sure yeah i mean i what well

00:50:15.480 Well, to a large extent, I think that maybe the way that much of Israel's leadership views the current conflict in Iran and their participation in it, it's just an extension of October 7th, where essentially Iran attacked them because they bankrolled the entire thing. 0.74

00:50:35.960 I mean, it would not have been possible without them. And the entire message was, we're going to keep doing this until you don't exist anymore. And so they're like, okay, existential challenge, understood, they've basically neutralized Palestine. And so now they're moving on to the source of the problem, which is Iran. 0.97

00:50:57.600 And if once they have Iran handled, like once Iran can no longer bankroll their continued existential threat, they'll be happy, but they're not going to be happy until then. 0.93

00:51:06.500 And I want to point out and elevate something Simone is saying here, because a lot of conservatives who are pro-war are often a little cucked on this point, where they think that Israel and us have the same aims in this war, and we very much do not have the same goals in this war.

00:51:22.760 To Simone's point, for Israel, their goal is to economically destroy Iran. They want to, if they could, they would bomb the South Par's oil field. If they could, they would bomb, you know, Iran's oil fields. They would bomb Karg Island. 0.70

00:51:41.880 they would make it so that iran could never economically recover because they just want

00:51:47.280 iran gone uh at in the most durable way that iran can be gone as a threat whereas the united

00:51:54.280 states our goal is to just do as much damage to their military as possible and defang them in

00:52:01.820 regards to nuclear capabilities and outside of that we don't really care that much trump mentioned

00:52:07.360 regime change early on but you know he mentions a lot of things right i don't i don't know if

00:52:11.460 that's realistic. Okay. So now what I want to do, well, I'll do it when Simone can rejoin the

00:52:17.720 conversation. It's important to understand what I was saying about Iran and other sort of non-state

00:52:28.280 terrorist forces that are constantly running attacks on the West, more on Israel than the

00:52:35.760 West, but they constantly are funding terrorist attacks that we see in European countries and

00:52:40.860 the united states our groups led to them are and i think people don't realize how common these are

00:52:46.840 because the news doesn't report them because it tries to cover up anything that could make you

00:52:51.460 islamophobic or whatever but just to give you an idea of just 2026 just this year just these last

00:52:59.180 couple months there was an attack in liege belgium where an improvised explosive device was detonated

00:53:04.260 there was an attack in rotterdam netherlands there was an attack in amsterdam netherlands

00:53:10.780 on a school there was an attack in amsterdam netherlands at a commercial center there was an

00:53:17.020 attack in london the uk where a number of ambulances were blown up there were attacks in austin texas

00:53:23.600 where a shooter opened fire outside a bar killing three and injuring 14 and he wore a t-shirt that

00:53:30.160 said property of a law there was an attack in michigan where they rammed a truck into a daycare

00:53:39.320 at a at a synagogue i don't know if that makes you not care about it but yes this this happens

00:53:45.780 all the time all the time okay we have been consistently under attack by iran for a long

00:53:54.920 time at this point but if you listen to mainstream news you would be unaware of it

00:54:00.080 because of many of these attacks incompetence is iran is an active aggressor like up until

00:54:08.280 this war started with us, Iran saw itself as at war with us and perpetually at war with us.

00:54:16.680 We just weren't fighting back yet. What this war is, is us finally fighting back to a war that they 0.86

00:54:24.300 had actively been operating, but we had been neutralizing. You can almost sort of think of it

00:54:30.680 like Israel sitting there constantly zapping the missiles being sent at them and saying, well,

00:54:36.100 we're not at war because the missiles aren't landing very often. And that's what it was,

00:54:40.580 was terrorist attacks on the United States and Iran is we were at war. We were just zapping most 0.60

00:54:45.800 of the terrorist plots, like the two assassination attempts on Trump before they ended up in anything

00:54:51.400 meaningful. But you can't just sit there forever while missiles are being lobbed at you. And that's

00:54:57.100 what was functionally happening in the United States with Iran. So finally, and I think we can 0.99

00:55:02.520 really wrap up tucker's world perspective and something that happened with alexander dugan

00:55:06.620 interview that he had in 2024 this was dugan when talking about putin so this is like a pro-putin

00:55:11.940 guy he goes putin is a traditional leader who contradicts the global progressive agenda given

00:55:17.860 someone with nuclear weapons is standing strong defending traditional values that you're going to

00:55:23.720 abolish i think they have some basis for this russia phobia and the hatred of putin to which 0.50

00:55:30.580 Tucker agreed, saying what you're describing is clearly what's happening and it's horrifying.

00:55:35.180 So essentially what has happened to Tucker because of the circles that he's around is he has become

00:55:43.160 incapable of distinguishing between Western values and urban monoculture values and therefore is

00:55:52.220 taking the position of things like Sharia law or Russia against American interests and against

00:56:00.380 western interest because he can't see how that's different from as he would call it global homo 0.98

00:56:05.740 and when you understand that you can understand why he acts so traitorous because in his mind

00:56:11.420 the west is the enemy because the west is global homo there is not a oppressive urban monoculture 0.97

00:56:21.940 trying to stamp out true traditional western values the two things are one in the same

00:56:27.540 yeah okay he just so he he's lost the nuance of it yes and he yeah and I guess he's also

00:56:37.640 I don't want to say fallen for but and I I'm not also going to say that Russia's choice to 0.63

00:56:43.320 position itself as the country of traditional values is illegitimate or fake in some way but

00:56:50.900 it is manufactured that doesn't mean that it's it's fake because that you know saying I'm

00:56:55.940 committed to this is saying i'm committed to this and i respect that like that that's them saying

00:56:59.860 these are our values we're going to support them as a government and they're standing behind them

00:57:03.740 with a whole bunch of like media regulations and education things and whatnot but it's still

00:57:09.980 propaganda i'm not against propaganda but it's still propaganda and he doesn't seem to recognize

00:57:15.560 that and the role that it's playing so yeah well i also think that that the whole gay thing really

00:57:23.180 has not that much to do with how good of an ally you are against the urban monoculture the entire

00:57:30.440 gay culture talking point has been largely dropped by the new right coalition like it it's not an

00:57:38.500 important hill to die on when you're trying to protect your culture and by conceding that point

00:57:45.800 you can get a lot of useful allies which is why the trump administration obviously the famous 0.94

00:57:51.500 article of trump's big gay white house about how it is hugely disproportionately gay and it is 0.88

00:57:56.300 disproportionately gay just like objectively then we have a weekend episode on due to recording 0.97

00:58:00.360 issues that happened that day if you want to be a paid subscriber if you want to watch it but the

00:58:04.580 point is is gays have been a useful part of the new right coalition like it's a weird boomer talking 0.99

00:58:10.160 point like venezuela's better because they're anti-gay there's a lot of things i care about

00:58:14.640 before i care about anything having to do with gays right like what that was genuinely bizarre

00:58:20.020 that that was my first time hearing that venezuela had rules against yeah people are like

00:58:26.960 in russia like being gay is a crime and you can't even promote gay interests and i'm like 0.84

00:58:34.160 i don't care like what there are so many bigger fish to fry in the culture war than gay like what 1.00

00:58:43.360 i mean it's like what are you doing are you fighting like a 1990s style culture war here

00:58:47.900 and it's like, oh, he literally is fighting 1990s culture war

00:58:50.720 and he doesn't understand that the field has changed.

00:58:54.860 Next, I want to go to Fuentes

00:58:56.000 because Fuentes has had some stuff recently

00:58:57.960 that I think has better delineated his real position

00:58:59.780 and I'll be tight on this.

00:59:01.260 He has said, I want Iran to win 1.00

00:59:03.280 and the United States to lose.

00:59:05.100 Iran is fighting for America 0.96

00:59:06.860 more than the America is fighting for itself right now.

00:59:10.240 And Iran is fighting our war actually. 0.70

00:59:13.280 And the only reason Israel isn't dropping bombs on you

00:59:16.220 is because it's not your turn yet. 0.99

00:59:18.940 To Trump, he said, you are a demonic force, 1.00

00:59:21.260 you're a liar, you are diabolical, you're a traitor. 1.00

00:59:23.760 Now, I'd note, before this election, 1.00

00:59:26.040 Trump said multiple times he planned to bomb Iran.

00:59:28.360 As you know, there have been

00:59:29.800 two assassination attempts on my life

00:59:34.080 that we know of, possibly do, Iran.

00:59:39.560 But we've been threatened very directly by Iran. 0.91

00:59:43.280 And I think you have to let them know

00:59:44.860 that you do any attacks on former presidents or candidates for president, your country gets blown

00:59:51.700 to smithereens, as we say. This is not like you weren't paying attention if you're surprised by

01:00:00.560 this. In fact, he has said that we should bomb Karg Island as far back as the 1980s. Trump said

01:00:07.120 that we should bomb Karg Island. So he's been thinking about this for a long time. He said this

01:00:11.640 in both of his elections actually that he wanted to bomb iran so it was actually really weird that 0.70

01:00:16.760 he didn't bomb iran the first time so to be like trump's a liar it's like no he then goes this is

01:00:21.900 a war of aggression for israel but iran did the october 11th it's like what are you talking about

01:00:27.900 right like those were iran funded non-state actors americas will die first of all so it's not a war

01:00:33.820 of aggression for israel but two it's a useful war for the united states as i've said iran has

01:00:38.600 been at war with us they have had no concern like one of the interesting things about this war

01:00:43.800 is we haven't seen people like why haven't we seen like a bunch of attacks on like

01:00:48.060 american infrastructure around the world after this war started given the number of non-state

01:00:53.600 actors that iran's been funding and the answer is because they were already trying as hard as

01:00:58.140 they could before this we we have been an open target we have just been neutralizing them up

01:01:03.920 until this point. The difference with this war is now we're fighting back. And to frame things in

01:01:08.700 another way, we'll get to why he does that because I'm finally beginning to understand. Trump's Iran

01:01:13.880 war is shaping up to be a total catastrophe. By the way, not true. It's going quite well. Not to

01:01:18.900 mention a fundamental betrayal of his movement's principles and voters. Israel first means America 0.88

01:01:24.340 last. So what you're really seeing here, like the more I think about it and I try to understand his

01:01:30.680 perspective. He is above all else in his world perspective, anti-Israel and anti-Jew. That

01:01:41.880 determines every other position he has. And he is fundamentally totally okay with throwing

01:01:48.900 Americans under the bus, American interests under the bus, unborn children under the bus, 0.88

01:01:53.780 the conservative party under the bus literally anything under the bus if it goes against the

01:02:02.080 interests of israel and this is how he feels on like all of his key issues the other group who

01:02:08.260 he really hates are indian americans and this is why despite jd vance presumably being like his 0.96

01:02:14.040 ideal like catholic presidential candidate right but jd vance is in an interracial marriage so 0.93

01:02:20.320 jd vance is like a demon in his mind right um that doesn't he said anything explicitly about

01:02:26.000 his marriage with usha oh yeah yeah yeah yeah he talks about usha quite frequently as being like a

01:02:31.500 core proof that jd vance is not a real you know conservative team player um and the fact that he

01:02:37.760 would otherwise is presumably so ideologically aligned with him even on the american first stuff

01:02:43.700 if people don't know like the rumblings in the white house is jd vance is quite against the

01:02:48.140 iranian campaign and the iranian campaign is seen as like a victory for the rubio faction of of the

01:02:54.840 white house and and people have tried to get like jd to come out publicly and say this because these

01:02:59.020 are all the rumors that he's been grumbling about this and first like people are like do you have a

01:03:03.920 problem with that like no people should disagree with in an institution but to the point i'm making

01:03:08.360 is jd vance should be nick fuentes his greatest ally right and what i've realized is nick fuentes

01:03:16.880 hates his enemies much more or his perceived enemies much more than he likes his allies

01:03:24.920 or even himself and he is willing and this shows fundamentally why he hasn't gotten married even

01:03:30.560 though it would be trivially easy for him to get married why he hasn't had kids why he hasn't

01:03:34.680 while he does see himself as like a white catholic besieged by outsiders who needs to protect this

01:03:41.860 white Catholic way of living and expand this white Catholic way of living. He will always and 0.67

01:03:48.000 everywhere spend more time and energy and more time and energy among his base and followers

01:03:54.300 attempting to sabotage and tear down the groups he sees as not perfectly aligned with his interests

01:04:03.180 than actually promoting the interests of his own group. Well, he also gains a lot more from

01:04:10.180 having flame wars with people than yeah no i mean it's easier to you know complain about

01:04:16.840 you know usha and vance having interracial kids while not having any white kids of your own right

01:04:22.860 like it actually is hard to make a relationship work and have kids and raise that next generation 0.90

01:04:29.660 i'm surprised that you think it would be easy for him to find a partner when he spends so much

01:04:33.440 time streaming that it would be pretty difficult because he has a pool of people who want to be

01:04:38.220 his partner there are like yeah but he's stated very explicitly that he does not want a wife

01:04:43.340 who like knows like he really wants an offline wife right and they're out there but you have 0.97

01:04:49.260 to be offline to find them so he's there have been stages of my life where i tried to come up with

01:04:54.500 excuses for why i wasn't dating during that stage of my life and like the well there's no pretty

01:04:59.800 girls at my school he is defining a woman who definitionally wouldn't like him a woman who 0.77

01:05:05.720 wants to be offline and live a private life is not a woman who wants to marry nick fuentes right 1.00

01:05:12.460 you have to agree because no there's this world in which he finds this very offline traditional

01:05:20.220 catholic girl who wants to you know find a respectable husband who she personally just 1.00

01:05:25.280 gets along with who has his job and makes his money and she basically doesn't have any interest 0.99

01:05:29.380 in him intellectually or in his work intellectually yeah she just does the work and has the kids and 1.00

01:05:35.180 raises the kids and homeschools the kids with a good catholic homeschool system and there are

01:05:41.380 lots of women out there in the offline catholic industry no no hold on really you actually think 0.53

01:05:48.040 if nick fuentes wanted that he couldn't get that he could all have to invest a lot of time in it

01:05:54.940 at the expense of his no this is how he does it at the end of every stream he asks his audience

01:06:01.920 who presumably has sisters daughters people at their church who would be very happy to take a

01:06:08.940 chance on a famous streamer and say hey do any of you know a girl who fits this profile if you do

01:06:15.080 put her in touch with me if you do put her in touch with me fair point fair point just like

01:06:19.820 someone who is offline so he doesn't know who i am yeah because he doesn't want to take someone

01:06:24.400 even if he wanted this basically the reason he says that is not because that's what he actually

01:06:29.660 wants in a wife, but he's using that to try to create a category of woman that he will never

01:06:35.460 interact with. So he doesn't need to explain why he doesn't actually have a wife. And as he's

01:06:40.680 pointed out, even himself, when Gripers get married, they leave the movement. He's created

01:06:44.780 a movement that people don't want to, that's like not able to self-sustain or intergenerationally

01:06:50.000 stain itself because it's not a movement about actually winning. It's a movement about perpetually

01:06:55.460 fighting and in a movement about perpetually fighting your enemies matter more and your

01:07:01.580 enemies losing and stumbling matter more than your allies winning and that's why he's willing

01:07:07.140 to perpetually throw america under the bus so long as it might hurt the jews that's why he's willing 1.00

01:07:13.580 to throw potentially unborn babies under the bus so long as it prevents jd dance from winning the 0.82

01:07:20.200 presidency because he's in an interracial marriage or trump from winning a presidency because trump

01:07:25.080 pick jd vance someone who's in an interracial marriage as a vp right like that is the extent 0.99

01:07:30.160 to which he's willing to self-sabotage because the fight is the point and that's what he wakes

01:07:35.980 up every day to do to fight these enemies not to advance the interest of his allies and i really

01:07:42.820 think that there are few like worse allies you can have than somebody who would do that because

01:07:48.120 that makes them incredibly dangerous especially when to win in the long run you're going to need

01:07:54.720 to ally with the Jews because they are the only high fertility, technologically advanced 1.00

01:08:00.200 civilization on earth right now. And when the urban monoculture dies, you do not want to be

01:08:06.400 on their bad side. They have the ability for power projection, even just from like a self

01:08:11.200 preservation perspective, much less from a power projection perspective, which is what they help

01:08:16.960 the United States do right now in situations like Iran. You know, they're actually fighting

01:08:23.840 alongside us who is not europe even though europe is facing terrorist attacks by groups funded from

01:08:29.460 iran all the time but do they no anyway this is really helped me understand these groups better

01:08:39.140 in the psychology of these groups better it's like a a hatred crack like you do the thing that

01:08:45.180 feels good even though you know like taking the meth or whatever it feels good that's what the

01:08:49.100 gropers are doing even though they don't have kids they don't have partners and they're not really 1.00

01:08:52.860 part of the civilizational game and they'll die out at the same rate the urban monoculture will

01:08:58.160 die out they're not really relevant and i've pointed this out most of the people in this

01:09:02.360 this faction other than tucker carlson who's like a boomer and different do not have large families

01:09:07.760 like very few groopers have large families this is not an intergenerationally and the other culture

01:09:13.040 warriors who like get all racist about it like ann coulter she doesn't have a family she doesn't

01:09:16.900 have a husband she could get married at any time she's an attractive woman like they care more 1.00

01:09:21.000 about who they're fighting against than their side actually winning and so they're not really

01:09:27.200 relevant like you can partner with them to get votes but be aware that like if you have these

01:09:33.000 people in your life they will lead you to toxicity and failing out too so it's i think useful to not

01:09:40.560 over chew this particular cud the final point i wanted to make which was really apparent for me

01:09:46.320 is on the iran war sometimes i have this view as like are we being stupid here like because i do

01:09:50.580 hear some loud voices like complaining against it but then i look at all the other stuff that

01:09:54.280 the loud voice is against it like nick and tucker and candace and what they're saying and i'm like

01:09:57.960 oh like everything else they're saying seems pretty crazy and then i look at the people who

01:10:03.000 are pro it like asthma gold or nuxinor and i'm like i pretty much agree with 99 of the stuff

01:10:09.200 they say like and they seem to be arguing in much better faith so i'm pretty sure like i don't i

01:10:15.820 don't see many sane thinkers out there who are against this is what i'd say anyway good to chat

01:10:22.300 about this simone i don't know if this changed your perspective on anything you did bring to the

01:10:28.020 biggest differing opinion i have is that tucker carlson is taking the approach he's taking

01:10:34.600 largely because he's a very agreeable person and empathetic to the people to whom he is exposed

01:10:40.620 and this by the way is not something that's unique to him and even I think and this isn't I think

01:10:47.080 even admitted by people in the Trump administration Trump seems to also often be very colored by his

01:10:52.600 most recent conversation with people yeah and you know like really excited about whatever he was

01:10:57.160 just talking about because he's a very like now oriented what can I do now kind of person and

01:11:02.320 maybe this is more of a boomer thing so he and Trump may have that in common but this because

01:11:07.200 of the nature of his work has led tucker carlson by speaking as you point out with with primarily

01:11:12.940 elites in the u.s who are bearish on the united states culture and then elites in other countries

01:11:20.960 who are very bullish on their culture it's going to lead him to have this very

01:11:25.700 negative toward the u.s positive toward often foreign adversaries attitude so that explains a

01:11:32.060 lot and of course also the nature of his work whereby controversy drives clicks is going to

01:11:37.780 lead him to talk more with adversaries to be like well let's hear them out let's see what they have

01:11:41.420 to say and then he goes and talks to them and is like oh wow well they say that their culture is

01:11:46.020 really great and they seem like really nice people and so i think their culture is great and then you

01:11:49.660 know he goes and has some dinner with elites in new york on his connecting flight back to

01:11:54.640 his small cabin in maine and they're all like oh the u.s is horrible everything's terrible 0.87

01:11:59.980 a war on Iran is awful and he's like oh well yeah I mean they're totally right we had a great dinner 1.00

01:12:04.100 and I so then you know the U.S. is horrible and so that's that's what's going on and it's all very

01:12:07.860 innocent and it's a result of the nature of his work misaligned incentives and exposure plus

01:12:14.640 agreeableness and and a kind of boomer attitude so okay everything yeah this this this helps me

01:12:19.880 model better and I appreciate that I appreciate you I love you and if you guys want to check out

01:12:25.160 AI role play or adventure scenarios that's all working really well on our fab these days

01:12:29.420 and we're working on getting the agent feature up and running so and uh in good old-fashioned

01:12:34.340 american style you're having steak and bread rolls tonight so i am so excited

01:12:38.900 i'll send you a link very shortly because i didn't make one yet one moment i had almost

01:12:47.980 talked myself into believing that he's actually a good actor he's just old and confused but when i

01:12:53.780 remembered the instance of him saying that iran surrendering would mean that the u.s troops would

01:13:00.580 have to get to i don't know whatever grape their daughters and women and that that's what 1.00

01:13:07.160 unconditional surrender always means like because that's what we did in japan of course in germany

01:13:12.560 of course that that's just like a crazy thing that's something you would only say i mean he's

01:13:19.700 trying to emphasize what a severe term that is for trump to be asking and it is i think it's a

01:13:25.820 mistake to ask for unconditional surrender but trump's not really asking for unconditional

01:13:29.900 surrender if you're actually paying attention to things this is just one negotiating tactic so

01:13:34.860 i have i framed this as charitably as i possibly could he is why is he saying this he is

01:13:43.080 he he doesn't he doesn't want uh a sharia a sharia law country toppled i guess and he's upset that i

01:13:56.300 mean it's it's obvious that we don't have like huge numbers of americans lives at risk because

01:14:00.640 of this so i can't say he's doing it for that it's probably not about the economy i think i think

01:14:07.100 it's about like he's he's in a circle where hating on the war seems normalized to him

01:14:15.900 and so any argument he can make even if it's obviously fallacious is okay to make that's my

01:14:21.940 best guess on this they they have a built-in ring light the new back the border of my screen

01:14:29.140 yeah it's like a the border of my screen is just a bright white border to make a ring light effect

01:14:37.120 which is kind of an interesting trick i like it i mean i don't see the effect i don't i don't know

01:14:44.520 how effective it actually is but it's it's not bad positioning for a ring light if you're gonna

01:14:51.100 have one but the problem is i don't have to turn it off so i have to like move show notes around

01:14:57.140 to make it not weird still cool so whatever any comments from the show today oh yeah some some

01:15:07.500 fun exorcism stories just of like this and that you know one person talking about how and this

01:15:13.720 was an anglican preacher going in to give an old lady in this case an exorcism because she felt

01:15:20.660 like stuff was weird around her house and then six months later she asked for another one and

01:15:24.960 like she kept asking for more exorcisms and he's like well there's clearly something wrong here

01:15:29.900 like what's the recurring problem so he started asking her about like who's coming and going and

01:15:35.360 what they're leaving there but it turned out her daughter was like kind of a wiccan spiritualist

01:15:40.320 crystals kind of person and we all know crystals people and she kept going to the house and being

01:15:46.340 like oh the energy's wrong i'm gonna leave crystals everywhere and then and then the

01:15:50.900 issues would come back with this lady and so the priest was like okay stop letting your daughter 0.62

01:15:56.380 leave crystals here her wicked nonsense is not welcome in your household and that did the trick 1.00

01:16:05.380 so people also applauded your your pronunciation of mon signor and i love so my i feel so alone

01:16:17.040 when you mispronounce things and I chuckle to myself and I want to have a conspiratorial

01:16:21.220 glance with someone and it's such a waste that I can't and now that we have this podcast

01:16:24.880 I can because I just go to the comments and people are also chuckling and then I get to have

01:16:30.320 an asynchronous conspiratorial glance and like wink with them and it's so great like I it's not

01:16:36.540 wasted I just feel like your mispronunciations and the way that you just mutilate other languages 0.87

01:16:42.420 is is this beautiful without care i don't care either i'm not like trying to get it right or

01:16:48.320 something i get annoyed when people like oh you you say it this way and i'm like i don't care

01:16:51.680 it's not an american word well but yeah then we then we discovered that like when we watched

01:16:57.060 the new season of king of the hill that that's basically just a texan culture thing and a running

01:17:03.380 joke in king of the hill because frank hill mispronounces foreign words all the time in

01:17:07.980 same way that malcolm does so it's it's your culture it's your heritage yes to mince foreign words

01:17:16.060 yes that's right

01:17:21.660 okay what are you doing you telling scary stories yeah and then and and then when i said before

01:17:29.020 was once upon a time that picked up a car and slammed it on the ground his car

01:17:36.940 like a big car yeah like this car wouldn't that have been too heavy

01:17:45.900 i was just i was thinking it like this

01:17:50.700 is dad super strong is that how i did it yeah once upon a time a ghost slammed dad in the head

01:17:58.780 Why? Is that your idea of a scary story?

01:18:03.780 Once upon a time, a ghost slammed dad at his house walls and everything.

Based Camp - March 27, 2026

How Tucker Carlson Came to Hate Western Civilization

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