Based Camp - June 05, 2025


How Women Use Feminism to Suppress Women (Simone's Realization)


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A Handmaid's Tale is a dystopian novel written by Margaret Atwood. It's about a world where women have no rights and are forced to work with other women in order to keep the patriarchy in check. But is it really about women? Or is it about intersexual competition?

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00:00:00.000 Hello, Malcolm. I'm so excited to be with you today because we're going to talk about feminism. 0.99
00:00:07.320 My views on it may be totally wrong. I might've been lied to all my life about what it meant.
00:00:13.340 And now I'm asking myself, what if the real threat to women's freedom isn't patriarchy, 0.91
00:00:18.360 but rather the matriarchy? And this is thanks to a random feminist lecture on Margaret Atwood 0.95
00:00:25.460 that I felt down this, this disturbing rabbit hole. And I mean, I first, I learned that
00:00:31.400 apparently Margaret Atwood hates women. And I also learned that not satisfied with the hero's 0.97
00:00:36.600 journey, some feminists created the heroine's journey and it sucks. And then a bunch of 1.00
00:00:41.940 feminist practices and campaigns apparently also just curtail women's freedom. Like when I looked 1.00
00:00:46.620 at, well, like what have feminists done? And I'm like, this is, this is not good. This is not good 1.00
00:00:50.720 for women. What do you do? And I'll be bringing data as well. We'll go over a number of studies
00:00:54.700 that show that women don't like to work with other women, that women are much more likely 1.00
00:00:57.720 to betray other women than men are. Everything that, like, like women are women's worst enemy. 1.00
00:01:03.140 Yeah. I want to, yeah. Let, let, let Malcolm and I pull you into this dark hole and, and ask you,
00:01:09.380 can women actually be feminist in the end? Or is, is subconscious intersexual competition 1.00
00:01:15.940 women's undoing? 1.00
00:01:17.340 Well, I've heard it said before, and I completely agree with this sentiment, which is that feminism 0.99
00:01:22.200 is not women versus men. Feminism is about low market value women against high market value women 0.96
00:01:30.460 or high market value women trying to trick their competition into becoming. 1.00
00:01:35.280 Oppressing low market value. Yeah. I mean, I, I kind of feel like from classic literature to
00:01:39.280 Instagram, women are not empowering women. They're just finding new ways to keep each other in check. 1.00
00:01:45.260 And so, yeah, we'll, I'll share my findings. You, you share your notes. Let's, let's explore the
00:01:51.940 surprisingly misogynistic elements of feminism. Woo. So excited for this. Yeah. So I was while
00:02:00.720 cleaning up the other night, just looking for stuff on audible plus to listen to. And there was now
00:02:06.040 they're doing lecture series apparently. And there was some lecture series on like the, the literary
00:02:10.900 legacy of Margaret Atwood. Um, and so many people name check her when criticizing us where I'm like,
00:02:18.200 okay, I need to understand this woman and what she stands for. So this is a good thing for me to spend
00:02:22.940 my time listening to. The famous women's fetish novel, A Handmaid's Tale. So she's, she's actually 0.51
00:02:30.320 been a prolific author for a very long time. And she, among, you know, other things, she's written
00:02:36.220 a lot of poetry. She's written many books, including A Handmaid's Tale. I have to interject
00:02:42.240 here for people who don't know what we're talking about. You check out our video. Is this actually a
00:02:45.940 fetish where, you know, it very clearly is for a lot of these women who are like dressing up and 1.00
00:02:50.660 like going out. A Handmaid's Tale for context is a dystopian fiction novel in, in which America
00:02:58.840 becomes this, this like place called Gilead where women have no rights. They're not even allowed 1.00
00:03:04.960 also to read. And the few fertile women who are left are forced to sort of be, be bred by family. 1.00
00:03:11.940 It's, it's just gross and weird. And a lot of women seem to be really into it. 1.00
00:03:16.500 Oh no, please, please. Conservative, tough military man. Don't breed me in front of your
00:03:21.560 jealous high status wife. All of you need is me and you can't survive without me. And I live this life 1.00
00:03:28.380 of privilege, but I'm actually also super. Okay. So like Margaret Atwood is so much deeper
00:03:34.500 of a horrifying rabbit hole for me than I thought, like then just this surface fetish thing. Cause
00:03:41.480 I mean, it's, it's easy enough. And when you look at any like fantasy, romantic, any sort of romance
00:03:46.440 novel, you're going to see stuff like this. I just thought that she was touching on that, you know,
00:03:50.100 that she accidentally managed to make basically women's erotic material that made them feel like
00:03:56.600 they were reading highbrow political content and commentary, you know, like, Oh, I'm reading 1984,
00:04:01.200 50 shades of gray. So I thought it was that, but no, she, I think she just hates women. I mean, 1.00
00:04:08.180 this is not good. This is my theory. Okay. Just my opinion. But she wrote this alternate version
00:04:12.720 of the Odyssey called the Penelope ad in 2005, which reframes several female characters from Homer's
00:04:19.340 epic, most notably Penelope, the wife of Odysseus and her 12 maids. And also to some extent, the Helen of 0.98
00:04:25.940 Troy, but you'd think that like, okay, she's, she's going to reframe them in some kind of like
00:04:31.120 very empowering way. But, but no, in, in Homer's Odyssey, Penelope is the archetype of the loyal,
00:04:38.300 long suffering wife. She patiently waits Odysseus's return and resists hundreds of suitors and uses 0.91
00:04:44.740 her wits to sort of keep them in check. And this is for a really long time. Like I remember when reading
00:04:50.080 the Odyssey for the first time being like, I can't believe she's doing this. Like, I mean, I almost feel
00:04:55.480 like if Odysseus was at home and they were happily married, their kingdom would be less stable than it
00:04:59.780 is right now. It's just really impressive. But Atwood's Penelope. No, I mean, like you'd think,
00:05:05.340 okay, well, she's just going to make Penelope cooler, but she, no, no, no. She gives Penelope a 1.00
00:05:08.960 direct voice. She narrates her story from the afterlife and she's reflecting on her life and her
00:05:13.960 marriage and her legacy. And Penelope is, is she's, she's deployed as portrayed as clever, but also
00:05:20.940 manipulative, deeply aware of her own powerlessness within a patriarchal society shown as jealous,
00:05:27.820 embittered, and sometimes ineffectual, especially regarding the fate of her mates who, you know,
00:05:32.320 were executed for being traitorous. So yeah, they just sort of frame her as this more like
00:05:38.200 resentful, powerless. I remember her original book. She's like playing all these political power games 0.98
00:05:44.200 to prevent all of these suitors who are like trying to hook up with her. Yeah. And she's constantly 0.89
00:05:48.360 weaving because she says she'll marry one of them when she finishes a tapestry and she, 0.75
00:05:52.320 she goes and unweaves it like each night and there's all this other stuff going on.
00:05:55.720 She's, yeah, she's being clever and manipulative and exactly like Odysseus. What was interesting
00:06:01.480 is that Odysseus is a very good and mirrored partner for Odysseus. Yes. She's undergoing a similar
00:06:09.080 sort of challenge where she needs to do a trick to win this challenge and, and, and, and play against
00:06:15.640 these un, un, possible, impossible circumstances, but, but, but tied to what it would be to be a
00:06:21.800 high value woman within the society of everybody wanting to marry you. And, and so the, in the
00:06:27.140 original, she's an incredibly powerful figure. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, oh, how can you possibly
00:06:32.220 improve upon Penelope? And then she, nope, she just made her worse. She just framed her as, 1.00
00:06:36.560 is, is, is, is, is resentful and, and bitter and powerless in this patriarchal. She had them all by 0.98
00:06:45.880 the balls. I don't like, anyway. And then hold on, hold on, hold on. Yeah. This, what, what, this is, 0.99
00:06:52.480 this is, okay, but you gotta, you gotta. There's so much to go through. Well, let's keep going. So,
00:06:55.800 cause she also depicts Helen of Troy differently too. So, I mean, right. To remind those of you who
00:07:01.620 haven't read the Odyssey or the Iliad, Helen was traditionally depicted as the ultimate beauty 0.98
00:07:06.780 and the cause of the Trojan War, but she's reframed through Penelope's eyes and the Penelope
00:07:11.940 as vain, manipulative, and ultimately mortal. Her beauty is shown to fade and she no longer is the
00:07:18.640 untouchable archetype. And Atwood uses Helen as a foil for Penelope. She highlights the rivalry
00:07:24.520 and contrasts the perfect woman with the femme fatale, but demystifies both. So she takes these two
00:07:31.040 women and just tears both down, but also throws in this theme of intersexual competition. 1.00
00:07:37.860 So now she's taking these two women, now they're petty bitches. Thanks, Margaret Atwood. I really 1.00
00:07:43.240 appreciate you reframing these women. This is true in her books as well. No, that's the thing is when
00:07:49.320 you, when you come to think of it in The Handmaid's Tale, it's not flattering toward women either, even
00:07:53.400 though like feminists point to it all the time. Gilead is a product, at least in part, of female 1.00
00:07:57.320 influencers, influencers like Serena Joy, who eventually becomes a wife. And many of the evil
00:08:01.980 enforcers are women, like the aunts in this system. There's... Even the handmaids are real like 1.00
00:08:07.800 bitches. Oh yeah, they snitch on each other. They're unhinged. You know, it doesn't matter what our faces 1.00
00:08:12.340 look like. As long as we're fertile. You're bad. Yeah, but not too bad. Otherwise you go...
00:08:21.620 Well, guess what I did last night? Ate your rations in silence and cried into your straw bed?
00:08:29.220 Yes, classic me. Well, I had sex with a married couple. Oh, so did I. Who would have guessed we'd be 1.00
00:08:38.900 having three ways in our 30s? They're, they're, yeah, no, like women in that are, they're, they're 1.00
00:08:45.860 either victims or villains. Yeah. Which is, like... But usually, what, she made like one character in
00:08:51.100 the Odyssey, like a prostitute or something, or a... Yeah, I think, and this was mentioned in the
00:08:55.860 lecture, and I'm trying to find in, in the actual Penelopead. This was the Daya, whatever. In the
00:09:00.720 Penelopead? No, it's so, there were some, when I was listening to the lecture on this Audible Plus
00:09:05.440 thing, the lecturer was talking about some, like maybe other poem that Atwood had written in which,
00:09:10.600 like, Cersei isn't really a witch. Cersei was a witch that, like, kind of Odysseus was stuck,
00:09:16.600 like, sleeping with for a long time, but, like, I think she reframed Cersei as, like, 0.76
00:09:20.280 the madame of a brothel instead. Like, okay, let's just, you know, take a powerful woman who was 1.00
00:09:25.780 really cool and, like, goddess level, and let's just make her a madame. Not, not anything against 1.00
00:09:30.860 madames or anything. No, remove her sexual agency. This used to be her thing with women, is removing 1.00
00:09:34.760 women's sexual agency, I would bet, is her key kick, because that's what she keeps doing with these 1.00
00:09:40.220 other women. Well, I want to remove the whole thing and just talk about how she apparently just 1.00
00:09:44.360 really thinks poorly of women, and this is going to show up again and again. But here's another thing
00:09:48.340 that came up in this lecture series that I was listening to, because this is just what triggered
00:09:53.180 everything. It switches from only talking about Margaret Atwood to going on this whole diversion
00:09:59.980 about the hero's journey, which it's, it's, it, this is, I think it's referred to as a meta-myth.
00:10:06.500 It's not like anyone discovered it. It's just a very common pattern in storytelling. This is
00:10:11.100 something that one of our friends who got really, really good in media, like, he was able to just
00:10:15.000 instantly get, like, tons of money from ad revenue by being able to just generate tons and tons of
00:10:19.520 views on stories, because he, he also was very good at identifying meta-myths and just sort of
00:10:24.180 modernizing them and, like, inserting trendy things in these meta-myths that people love, and one of the
00:10:29.620 most big meta-myths is the hero's journey. So it's kind of like a 12-step process, but not the lame
00:10:36.220 recovery kind, where the main character, the hero, starts out in his ordinary world,
00:10:43.120 and then there's a call to adventure. He tries to refuse it, and, but then he meets some kind of
00:10:48.820 mentor and gets guidance and then crosses the first threshold, and then, you know, undergoes tests
00:10:55.440 and, and finds allies and enemies. He approaches the, the innermost cave at one point. This is like
00:11:01.920 the, the, the moment of peak tension. There's the ordeal followed by the reward, and then the road
00:11:07.880 back, the resurrection, with some kind of maybe final test that symbolizes transformation, and then,
00:11:13.720 you know, return with the elixir. So the, you know, the hero returns home and, you know, bears a gift
00:11:17.880 maybe of, like, knowledge or some new power or perspective, like whatever, just, they're just a
00:11:23.300 better person, right? And, and this is, I never, ever thought of the hero's journey as being a
00:11:28.660 gendered thing, okay? Like, common, common figures who are, her female, and, and went through the,
00:11:34.940 Mulan, Buffy, Buffy Summers from the Vampire Slayer, classic hero's journey, Wonder Woman,
00:11:41.460 Sarah Connor from Terminator, even Sophie from Howl's Moving Castle, like a super feminine character 0.99
00:11:47.280 clearly goes through the hero's journey.
00:11:49.320 But they say a woman cannot go through the hero's journey. So what does the hero's journey look like
00:11:53.080 for women?
00:11:53.760 Right. So, well, one of the people who popularized this concept of the hero's journey in a book was
00:12:02.020 named Joseph Campbell. And he had, he was a Jungian psychologist, so you already know this is going
00:12:07.900 to go off the rails. He had a female student named Maureen Murdoch, and she developed, she developed
00:12:15.800 because she thought the hero's journey just wasn't, wasn't feminist enough, the concept of the 1.00
00:12:20.540 heroine's journey. And, and once I describe it to you, you're going to be like, oh, so she thinks
00:12:25.200 women suck. It sucks. But yeah, so she, she found that that Campbell's description of the hero's 1.00
00:12:31.240 journey, and therefore the entire metamyth did not adequately reflect women's psycho-spiritual
00:12:35.700 experiences. So she published this, this new framework in her 1990 book, The Heroine's Journey,
00:12:42.000 Women's Quest for Wholeness. It's, it's rooted in her therapy practice. So again, you know,
00:12:46.660 this is going to suck. With women and her belief that the traditional hero's journey was too focused 1.00
00:12:51.740 on masculine outward quests, and it failed to address the internal cyclical and integrative
00:12:57.440 nature of women's journeys. Like, I don't know what women like. That sounds so lame. I know. And 1.00
00:13:04.580 well, let's just, you need, you don't even know how lame it is. Okay. Okay. So let's go through the
00:13:10.620 eight steps of the heroine's journey. There's a separation from the feminine. Okay. Because 1.00
00:13:16.360 this is the separation from the feminine. This is for women. It's feminist. But step one is you got 0.70
00:13:21.860 to separate from the feminine. The heroine rejects traditional feminine roles or her relationship with
00:13:27.480 her mother. Because we're Jungian psychologists. Okay. Often seeing them as weak or limiting because
00:13:33.820 being feminine is weak and limiting. This is our first premise. Oh, Maureen. Step two, 1.00
00:13:41.000 identification with the masculine and gathering allies. She adopts masculine values and seeks
00:13:46.580 success or recognition in a patriarchal world. Step three, the road of trials. She experiences successes,
00:13:53.560 but also confronts the limitations and emptiness of living solely by masculine principles. So we just
00:14:00.400 have to show how like masculinity is horrible as well, but you know, femininity is lame. Then she 1.00
00:14:05.640 experiences spiritual aridity and death. The heroine, spiritually unfulfilled or lost, experiences a
00:14:13.120 crisis, which is followed by initiation and descent to the goddess. She descends into her unconscious,
00:14:20.700 because this is Jungian psychology, confronting the dark feminine and her own wounds, because this is
00:14:26.720 also about trauma. That was funny. It's this, this, this sounds like somebody like, I don't want to
00:14:32.340 interact with. Like, this sounds like a narrative that like, if you indulged in it as a woman,
00:14:37.460 you'd become an intolerable person to be around. Yeah. But you'd also need lifelong therapy. So this
00:14:42.200 explains why her practice was sustainable. She's trying to create more, more practice for herself is 0.96
00:14:47.320 what you're saying. Yeah. So after falling into the dark feminine, which I am assuming is like, 0.97
00:14:51.760 you know, estrogen induced deep depression, um, you have yearning to reconnect with the feminine. 0.98
00:14:57.460 This is step six. We're almost done. The heroine seeks to reclaim her feminine nature and heal the
00:15:03.240 mother daughter split. Right. So, you know, you, you have to break from the mother and then you have to 0.64
00:15:07.920 heal. And then, then you heal mother daughter split. You reconcile with your mother and the feminine and
00:15:15.060 yourself, and then you integrate the masculine and the feminine. So the heroine achieves a balance
00:15:21.440 integrating both aspects of herself to become whole. What does that mean?
00:15:28.200 What, what stories does she argue use this? I don't know any stories that use this.
00:15:33.980 Okay. You should ask an AI right now, like what stories use the female hero's journey as laid out
00:15:38.860 by X person. And while you do, I am going to go on a little tangent here where I am going to talk
00:15:45.160 about how you can do classic hero's journeys with women. You know, we've seen this multiple times.
00:15:52.340 There's nothing that prevents a woman from living hero's journey, but one of the things I found
00:15:55.900 really interesting, and I commented on this on another episode is Western media doesn't seem to
00:16:00.460 be able to do women anymore. Always have to be like perfect and Mary Sue like. Um, and the one place 1.00
00:16:08.360 you can still see female characters really done well is in anime. And it was like the reason when 1.00
00:16:14.920 that went viral around like the girl in the wheelchair in anime and everybody freaked out
00:16:18.800 that a guy could love a girl in a wheelchair. No, you can't love disabled people. How dare you? But 1.00
00:16:23.800 the, the example I always use that I think is really good at this is my hero academia and presenting
00:16:29.840 female characters as heroic without in any way undermining their femininity. You know, 0.88
00:16:36.540 the two examples that I often use of this is, is, is one is, you know, Udame, the, the main
00:16:42.640 characters love interest, or she is the more active player in the, in the romance, you know,
00:16:47.180 wanting him and in sort of a very wholesome fashion, but she also, you know, shows her strength
00:16:52.800 through when a very aggressive character, it's like fighting her at this first tournament. And,
00:16:58.080 and all she can do is really levitate things is by, you know, intentionally tanking and dodging 1.00
00:17:04.520 attacks. Yeah. They blow up the set and she's hiding all of the blocks she's been hiding in
00:17:10.120 the sky, just lifting them up to drop them all down at once. And the, she still loses at the end
00:17:16.520 of this. Right. But it's, it's shown like her femininity is shown both in the way that she combats 0.99
00:17:23.120 this other character, you know, through patience and, and, and, and, and, and endurance and cunning
00:17:29.600 was in this, which aren't uniquely feminine traits, but they are not traits that undermine femininity. 1.00
00:17:34.620 You don't see that and think that this woman's being like, you know, something that is less than 0.99
00:17:39.180 woman, but also in how she deals with loss or in Pinky's character who has this, you know, this great
00:17:47.720 scene where one of the male characters is reflecting on how he has in the past chickened out when it came
00:17:56.060 to addressing, you know, villainous characters in, in society. And he is remembering a scene where
00:18:03.140 three girls, this, this Pinky character and two of her friends have this big villain who is like,
00:18:08.540 okay, where is this place? I'm going to go and, you know, presumably do some horrible thing there.
00:18:14.080 When the other girls are terrified and she lies to him, tells him a direction and he storms off.
00:18:20.980 And then she immediately falls down and starts crying just due to the terror of the situation for
00:18:26.620 her.
00:18:28.060 What? You're not going to answer me.
00:18:32.620 Crap. Why aren't there ever any heroes patrolling at times like these? 0.98
00:18:36.740 It's a simple question.
00:18:38.260 Move.
00:18:40.080 Come on.
00:18:44.640 Around that corner in the nickel left is the big street. The agency's two kilometers away.
00:18:49.460 Thank you very much.
00:19:00.100 But what, what, what's shown in this is when she was on the edge, it wasn't that she wasn't
00:19:06.820 un, un, unafraid. It wasn't that she like did some big, you know, muscular thing to win. 1.00
00:19:13.980 It was that she was willing to stand up for her friends and do something in the way that she had
00:19:21.060 access to, but that this still took an emotional toll on her. It wasn't like, oh, and she, you know,
00:19:26.840 walked out cool as a cucumber and everything like that. And I think it's, it's unfair in Western media
00:19:32.440 that unfortunately many of the best like female heroes we got in the early days 1.00
00:19:36.780 were female heroes through leaning into masculine qualities. So here I would think, you know, 0.74
00:19:43.520 Sarah Connor or, or, you know, from aliens. God, I forget her name. Ripley.
00:19:48.880 Ripley. So great, great characters.
00:19:51.360 But I think they set the unfortunate precedent that for female characters to be cool and heroic 0.55
00:19:57.920 in Western media, they needed to be like good male characters instead of lean into traits that
00:20:05.960 are extra feminine. Another character from my hero academia that I like in this respect is
00:20:12.140 La Brava, where her power is that she powers up the individuals who she loves and makes them
00:20:19.040 stronger. You know, you repeatedly see this in anime, which is good depictions of the way
00:20:27.000 that you can lean into femininity and be a hero through femininity instead of as a woman,
00:20:32.720 be a hero through masculinity.
00:20:34.020 Brava's love will set me free. La Brava, grab the cameras. Bring it up right, can't look like 0.96
00:20:40.760 images. The mustache must look so glamorous. Otherwise, in the comments, they will slander us.
00:20:45.960 To be remembered, we can never be average. You're my strength, girls, because you feel so
00:20:49.720 amorous. You are everything to me. You mean so much. You were there for me when anybody else would
00:20:58.480 judge. And I know I promised you we would succeed. But that time is gone, and it's only
00:21:06.840 not a dream.
00:21:09.220 Also, I want to be clear is you might hear this and think, well, then my hero academia and anime
00:21:13.980 then must not know how to do more like masculine cool women or tomboy women, which is just absolutely 1.00
00:21:21.100 not true. Even within my hero academia, you have characters like Rumi, who is a great subversion of
00:21:27.880 the bunny girl character, who in all other things is like super sexualized. But here they're like,
00:21:33.880 oh, she has a superpower of a bunny, which means like strong legs, which she uses to fight people. 0.99
00:21:39.500 And she is the most aggressive of, I think, all of the characters in the entire series.
00:21:46.860 There's this scene where she is fighting a villain and laughing while she's having her arm ripped off 0.95
00:21:53.120 because she's just having so much fun fighting. Obviously, this is the one that I think is the hottest 1.00
00:21:58.000 because, as I've mentioned, I think tomboyes are hot. But yeah, you don't lose the ability to
00:22:05.280 tell these sorts of stories when you tell stories that highlight women's femininity.
00:22:12.460 Yeah, but when I actually, when I asked Perplexity what famous female characters exemplify
00:22:17.400 Maureen Murdoch's heroine's journey, it points to many of the same. It also, again, it points to,
00:22:21.780 it points to Mulan. It points to Buffy Summers from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It also points to
00:22:26.860 Katniss Everdeen from The Hunger Games, who also totally follows a hero's journey format and acts
00:22:32.160 in a very masculine way. I think a lot of this is just because, oh, I mean, it points to Barbie from
00:22:36.740 Barbie. I could see that. Maybe.
00:22:39.080 I could see that, yeah.
00:22:40.120 So like, maybe Barbie. Okay.
00:22:42.360 Barbie is a good movie and very based, by the way. You should look at our episode on it.
00:22:45.720 And progressives love that, that conservatives thinks that, think that it's based because
00:22:50.680 they're like, they're wrong. It's one of those great Warshaw test movies.
00:22:54.060 For people who haven't seen that episode, you should, by the way, go back and watch it.
00:22:57.920 But within the Barbie movie, when she comes to our world, the only place she finds a patriarchy, 0.80
00:23:04.580 remember how she believes our world is a patriarchy from the books that she reads. She found those books
00:23:10.660 in a high school bookstore. Her entire perception, and it's shown in our world that in our world,
00:23:15.340 women actually are equal. And she struggles to see this because she developed an understanding 1.00
00:23:20.460 of it by reading feminist literature.
00:23:22.360 Yeah. Anyway, before we move on from Maureen, I just want to point out and give her one little
00:23:28.180 tiny concession that Joseph Campbell, who was one of the major popularizers of the hero's journey, 0.99
00:23:33.620 or at least people who articulated it in more distinct ways, was also an asshole. Because here's 0.99
00:23:39.660 what he said about her decision to make a heroine's journey, which I think there are lots of critiques
00:23:46.700 that one can make of it. But his was, quote, women don't need to make the journey. In the whole 0.91
00:23:52.320 mythological journey, the woman is there. All she has to do is realize she's the place that the people
00:23:57.980 are trying to get to. And quote. It's just such an asshole thing to say. Like, no, women shouldn't go 1.00
00:24:08.060 on the journey. When, like, there are countless stories going all the way back to mythical times
00:24:14.140 that show women go on the hero's journey. So I don't, like, he is completely discredited as well.
00:24:20.520 Screw him. So, you know, not exactly the brightest fellow. Yeah, no, they're all young. Yeah. If they,
00:24:27.440 we, they had us at Jungian psychologists, but like, I also, so after, after hearing just a little bit of
00:24:33.020 this lecture, which I haven't finished yet, I'm sure there's going to be more in there that gets
00:24:37.020 my blood pressure too high. I'm like, wait, it, so like, do feminists hate women? And so I look into, 0.59
00:24:45.600 you know, major feminist campaigns and movements and things that they've done. And there are a lot
00:24:51.000 of feminist concepts or like movements, things that they've fought for that I think are really
00:24:56.800 anti-women in that they either demean women or, or restrict their rights and freedoms. I mean,
00:25:02.960 this, that, that I would call anti-feminist. Tell me, tell me more. So they're, they're protective 1.00
00:25:07.300 rape labor laws. So like way back in the early feminist days, early feminist campaigns sometimes 1.00
00:25:11.540 supported protective labor laws. They restricted women's work hours or barred them from certain
00:25:16.580 jobs for their own protection. And this was obviously intended to shield women from exploitation, 0.99
00:25:21.660 but the laws often reinforced the idea of women is weak and incapable or limited their economic 1.00
00:25:27.140 independence and reinforced patriarchal norms. Plus I really think when it comes down to it,
00:25:32.200 like your ability to do a job, like masculine and feminine traits are your sex is, is, is sort of
00:25:38.960 manifested on a spectrum. There are men who have higher levels of estrogen needle men than women
00:25:43.960 and vice versa. There are women who are like super beefy and strong and can work incredibly long 1.00
00:25:47.620 hours and be a very successful Marine. And there are men who can't make the cut in the Marines.
00:25:51.060 Right. So like, we're still seeing this. Like, so there was a law recently in Sweden. I don't know
00:25:56.000 if you heard about this where Sweden banned men from watching OnlyFans. So you cannot watch OnlyFans in
00:26:03.020 Sweden, but it didn't ban women from creating on OnlyFans. So it's like, this is, this is clearly bad.
00:26:08.500 The women, you guys can continue to be exploited. Of course, the men, you shouldn't be on OnlyFans.
00:26:13.940 You know, we should only have like men in Africa watching women on Sweden and OnlyFans or whatever. 0.94
00:26:18.640 Americans mostly probably. I think OnlyFans is biggest in America, but like my, my larger point
00:26:22.860 though, is that people should be like with race considered by the, you know, the content of their
00:26:26.980 character, by meritocracy, by their ability to perform the job safely and not by gender. And you are
00:26:33.100 restricting women's freedom by promoting campaigns like this, but like to get to the OnlyFans thing, 0.99
00:26:38.480 that's the other really big thing that feminism is. They, they've all these anti-sex and anti-pornography 1.00
00:26:43.040 campaigns, especially this is associated more with the more recent second wave feminism, like 1.00
00:26:49.060 people like Anna Dworkin, Dworkin or Catherine McKinnon, they, they campaigned against pornography,
00:26:55.600 sex work. They argued that these industries were inherently exploitative. And I mean, these,
00:27:00.740 these campaigns infantilize women. They, they deny their agency. They contribute to the 1.00
00:27:05.960 stigmatization of women who choose to work in these fields. And they also echo patriarchal
00:27:11.160 attitudes about fake female sexuality and autonomy. Like we know people who have worked
00:27:17.660 in sex work and who find it way better than other professional alternatives that they had
00:27:22.720 access to at the time. Like it's just insane to me. And also we know from when we talked about
00:27:27.920 this extensively in various episodes that, you know, when you ban pornography in an area.
00:27:32.960 For sex work. We're not like, we have a nuanced view on when it makes sense and when it doesn't
00:27:39.140 make sense.
00:27:39.660 100%. But also like banning pornography in an area can, can increase sexual assault in that
00:27:45.160 area. Like, so, so do you want women to get sexually assaulted or do you want to allow them to watch 0.91
00:27:50.100 like a little bit of porn? Like, I just like, again, this is making women more endangered, 1.00
00:27:55.820 less empowered, less, less, less, more restricted in their professional options. You know, women, 1.00
00:28:02.200 women choose many professional lines for a reason. I mean, only fans, you choose to, to do only fans 1.00
00:28:07.580 because often that is a lot easier than leaving your house or doing something. You can stay home
00:28:11.580 or stay home parent. If you're taking care of an elderly parent, you can be home with them and still 0.57
00:28:16.620 make money if you're, if you're good at it. So yeah, I just like, okay, again, we're restricting
00:28:21.240 freedom. And then like more broadly, this, like there's this concept of the personal is political
00:28:26.540 and gender essentialism. So one of the mantras of the second wave is that the personal is the
00:28:31.940 political and that, that sometimes led to the policing of women's personal choices, like 1.00
00:28:36.360 marriage or motherhood or femininity. So women who chose traditional roles, and I see this on YouTube 0.94
00:28:42.960 all the time, are being criticized as being complicit with their own oppression. Like, oh, she's a trad
00:28:48.760 wife. Like she's, you know, feeding into this. And that in itself, I think is misogynistic. It
00:28:53.780 devalues women's autonomy and diversity of experience. It's saying, oh yeah, your choice is 1.00
00:28:59.640 evil. It's not valid. You're not allowed to make that choice. You're not, you know, you're not a real
00:29:03.740 woman or a real feminist or whatever. And like this whole point, like I grew up thinking, believing that
00:29:09.580 feminism was women should be allowed to do whatever they can based on their merit and ability. And men should 1.00
00:29:17.200 be allowed to do whatever they can based on their merit and ability. And that's it. Like not
00:29:20.820 women should be put in a cage. Like, and this is why when people are like, are you a feminist? And 1.00
00:29:26.800 it's like, have you seen what the feminists did? Yeah. Like now when people ask me, I mean, because 1.00
00:29:31.760 before I was kind of in ignorance about it, I was not sure. I knew there's a lot that I needed to
00:29:35.800 look into. And now I look into it and I'm like, oh, the majority of feminist movements have been 0.97
00:29:40.880 malevolent to the intention of the female. We point out that when the, you know, suffrage movement 0.94
00:29:45.300 happened, the majority of women were anti-suffragettes to the point where mainstream suffragettes like 1.00
00:29:50.360 Susan B. Anthony said that she didn't want polling done of local women to see what they wanted on the 1.00
00:29:55.480 subject because she knew what the answer would be. So she didn't want women to vote when it could hurt 1.00
00:30:01.600 her interests. It's unhinged. It's unhinged. Now, if you want to go into other studies on this,
00:30:07.000 there was a study, the Queen Bee phenomenon in academia 15 years after, does it still exist? And if so,
00:30:11.440 why? This is a phenomenon where women attempt to sabotage other women's work within an environment. 1.00
00:30:16.960 And so this was done in 2021. So recently, so it's like, is this still a phenomenon or was this a
00:30:21.200 mark of something in the past, like misogyny or patriarchy? Published in the British Journal of
00:30:26.860 Social Psychology with samples of 462 and 339 academic professionals, the research found that
00:30:35.260 advanced career female academics are more likely than their male counterparts to underestimate 0.97
00:30:39.340 the career commitment of women at the beginning of their academic careers, such as PhD candidates.
00:30:45.000 This behavior can manifest as withholding mentorship or expressing stereotype views,
00:30:49.880 potentially undermining junior women's advancement. Well, definitely undermining junior women's 1.00
00:30:54.480 advances. So this is what's what's interesting is as time has gone on, you could be like, well,
00:30:58.420 as we've dismantled the patriarchy or where is the patriarchy least existence in like academia?
00:31:02.100 That's the most monocultural place. This phenomenon is getting worse. The more feminist the 1.00
00:31:07.040 the more anti-women women get. Well, I think again, like my, my, my, my conclusion here is that this
00:31:15.260 is, this is subconscious. It's certainly not intentional, intersexual competition. I mean,
00:31:19.720 there's also like more innocuous and theoretical research, like the, the, the study titled off with
00:31:24.940 her hair, intersexuality or inter, intersexual competitive women advise other women to cut more 1.00
00:31:30.120 hair off authored by Danielle Sulikowski. And it was published in the journal of personality and
00:31:35.360 individual differences in 2024. So just like encouraging women not to become not fat, you know?
00:31:40.800 Yeah. Well, the research investigated whether intersexual competition among women could
00:31:44.560 manifest as subtle sabotage through appearance advice in a hypothetical salon scenario. And basically
00:31:50.240 across two studies where women were asked how much hair they would recommend hypothetical clients
00:31:55.780 whose attractiveness and hair condition varied to cut off. And the results showed that women who 0.69
00:32:00.040 reported higher levels of intersexual competitiveness were more likely to recommend that clients,
00:32:05.000 especially those with healthy hair who wanted to keep it long, cut off more than requested.
00:32:10.700 And this tendency was most pronounced when the client was of similar attractiveness to the
00:32:14.480 participant, which suggests this form of like horizontal competition, which is, I think, interesting.
00:32:19.480 That's really fascinating.
00:32:20.200 Where the individual target rivals perceived as being on the same level as themselves. So you're really like,
00:32:25.060 okay, well, we're in the same league as the men that we're probably targeting. So I really have to
00:32:29.160 take you out. And the authors interpret this as a possible subconscious act of intersexual
00:32:35.360 competition, which I think is also playing out in the realm of feminism. And this suggests that 1.00
00:32:39.740 subtle forms of sabotage, like recommending a shorter haircut than desired, just may be a default
00:32:44.440 competitive response among some women, even when there's no obvious rivalry. 0.99
00:32:48.640 And so there is, there is some resource, like wanting a woman boss, women wanting male bosses.
00:32:58.060 And I'm like, did you see in some studies, women are like, I remember in one study, not a single
00:33:02.100 woman would have preferred. 0.99
00:33:03.240 Well, but yeah, because I think intuitively they realized the threat here that like,
00:33:06.620 there's just, and it's not, it's not our fault, but it's, I do think like,
00:33:11.960 biologically terrible. 0.86
00:33:13.980 Like, well, no, but I also, so I also, I don't know if I want to say it's, it's not our fault
00:33:19.380 because I have extremely low levels of estrogen. I mean, like, like I've said before, when I
00:33:23.240 am in between pregnancies, I have to take the same level of estrogen that a natal male trans woman has
00:33:28.100 to take just to be, to be female enough inter woman competition. I mean, do you, I really don't
00:33:33.680 feel it. And it really stresses me out. And actually research has shown that intersexual competition
00:33:38.900 is influenced by personality, like lower agreeableness and higher neuroticism, but also
00:33:44.220 hormonal fluctuations. So higher estradiol levels in pre-menopausal women. So these are like pretty 0.74
00:33:50.060 much most of the women we're interacting with are linked to more appearance-based competition. 1.00
00:33:54.800 So this tendency for intersexual competition persists across lifespan, but the motives may shift
00:33:59.740 based on like hormonal levels, like where a woman is in her cycle. If she's a high estrogen 0.97
00:34:06.200 women, plus also, he at all in 2014 showed that when women are primed with perceptions of mate
00:34:12.520 or resource scarcity, they're more willing to use both. What does that look like?
00:34:17.320 I think it was one that talked about like the number of women to men on college campuses. 0.91
00:34:21.720 Yeah. They're willing to use both indirect and direct aggression against same sex rivals. But 0.99
00:34:27.740 then there's even more, there's, there's a qualitative study by B Brock that documented
00:34:31.440 women's experiences for sabotaging other women in the workplace. Maybe you saw that one, 0.63
00:34:35.400 including withholding information, spreading rumors, submitting false reports, and undermining
00:34:40.160 professional competence. And they were driven by insecurity, jealousy, or resentment toward women
00:34:44.520 who are perceived as breaking traditional roles or achieving success.
00:34:47.880 But this explains why conservative women are so much less bitchy to other women than progressive 1.00
00:34:52.500 women are. Why? Because there are fewer women in conservative spaces. So they feel less 1.00
00:34:58.060 mate scared. Yeah. I guess they're just, well, yeah, it's not being triggered as much.
00:35:03.500 In the United States, for example, there is one progressive man for every two progressive
00:35:07.160 women. Like that's going to be very, like women in progressive spaces who are more likely 1.00
00:35:12.580 to be feminists are also going to be more likely to be mate scarce and have this mate scarcity 1.00
00:35:17.220 priming, which is going to trigger more aggression to other women, which in part might explain 1.00
00:35:22.260 the incredibly low levels of mental health in progressive spaces.
00:35:24.880 It can also be, so there's a, there's one study from 2018 by Keyes and Bogle that demonstrated
00:35:31.640 women exposed to a provocatively dressed female confederate reported higher levels of
00:35:36.620 intersexual competition and were more likely to engage in indirect aggression, such as negative
00:35:40.900 body language, derogatory comments, and on the rival's appearance in sexuality. And maybe in
00:35:45.500 conservative spaces, women just aren't really exposed to many provocatively dressed women. So 0.99
00:35:50.560 they're just, that also wasn't triggered. Like even among their own compatriots, they're seeing
00:35:55.780 less of that, that less of that behavior perhaps. So I don't know, but yeah, I mean, women, women also 1.00
00:36:03.220 have been found like by researchers to more frequently use derogatory tactics, like slut shaming to make
00:36:08.180 rivals appear less desirable to men, like, you know, spreading rumors, questioning fidelity. This is,
00:36:13.560 this is a woman thing, but I also, I wanted to point out. 0.69
00:36:16.320 Men don't really do this with other men that frequently.
00:36:18.420 Yeah, they don't. They really don't.
00:36:19.680 If a man did do this, what's interesting is, is how normally, if it was in like male bro circles,
00:36:25.780 you found out that one man had been down talking another man to try to sleep with a girl,
00:36:30.220 that guy would be incredibly socially punished.
00:36:32.860 He'd have to defend, yeah. Like, I mean, in the past, that would lead to a duel.
00:36:36.600 In the present, it could lead to a fail.
00:36:38.140 In male circumstances, she wouldn't be punished that much. It would be like, well, of course she did.
00:36:41.260 She wanted to sleep with him, right? You know, like, this is just girls being girls. 1.00
00:36:44.860 But, but the queen bee phenomenon I talked about, you know, this has been confirmed in a number of
00:36:49.060 studies, recent ones as well. Rocha, Grangaro, et al., 2024. Elmans, et al., 24. Just over and
00:36:56.900 ever again, you see women in positions of power will attempt to sabotage women with less power than 1.00
00:37:01.800 themselves. And in Goldberg, 1968, are women prejudiced against women? We also see, you know,
00:37:07.360 high rates of prejudice of other women within women.
00:37:10.340 Yeah. And that's why I'm like, I'm a little bit more dubious of your, this is a like low value
00:37:18.560 women trying to gain status thing and more of a higher value women, keeping lower value women down 1.00
00:37:23.560 because also hat tip to this YouTuber named Michelle McDaniel. I love her YouTube videos. And she
00:37:28.740 did one recently on like Hayes influencers who are thin. And I'm going to share with you,
00:37:34.780 hold on, you've got to watch this. I also. I'm not arguing that there aren't Hayes influencers.
00:37:39.220 You've got, you've got to watch this. The majority of Hayes influencers are fat. 0.95
00:37:42.900 But there's, I know, but, but there are also now, there are also now thin, attractive women. 1.00
00:37:51.560 They're like, there's this woman on TikTok. I'm going to share the video with you. Her name is Chloe.
00:37:55.140 She is, she has 2.7 million followers. She is thin. She is attractive. She clearly cares about 1.00
00:38:02.400 her appearance. She has makeup and probably false eyelashes on. And she talks about how the idea of
00:38:08.280 being thin is being sold all to all of us in one way or another, that being fat means you're a living
00:38:13.520 resistance. I genuinely believe that in this glorious year of 2025, it is borderline radical. And at the
00:38:20.680 very least, an embodied political statement to be fat, chubby, plus sized, curvaceous, whatever you 0.98
00:38:28.040 want to call it. And so I say that being fat, for example, is an embodied political statement because
00:38:33.220 you are living resistance against the culture, against this idea that to be valued, to be beautiful,
00:38:43.260 to be seen, to be treated like a normal human being, you must look a certain way. I also want to
00:38:50.560 remind people that your body keeps the score. If you are losing weight in a way that is unhealthy
00:38:56.140 and unnatural to you, it's not just your body itself that is going to suffer, but your brain, your mind,
00:39:04.740 your mental health. Harm yourself trying to look like that. Whip out your woke card. Stay fat, princess. 1.00
00:39:13.080 She implies that losing weight is going to hurt your self-esteem, your body, and your mind. And that losing 0.50
00:39:18.860 weight, quote, won't just make your body and mind weaker, it'll make you weaker on the whole. And she finishes 0.99
00:39:24.400 by saying, stay fat, princess. Wait, hold on. I'm not disagreeing that these people exist, but the majority
00:39:31.640 of feminist influencers, the majority of feminist thinkers, look like she-cows. Look at these venomous 1.00
00:39:37.360 habitants. They went to university. Yes, over-education leads to ugliness, premature aging, and beard growth.
00:39:44.540 Like- Yeah, but I think it's a lot harder for them to get a platform when you're a hot woman. 1.00
00:39:50.080 Well, so then what this says is that there are more low-value market women. If it's harder for 1.00
00:39:55.680 them to get a platform, yet they make up the majority of influencers in this space, it implies
00:40:00.860 that feminism is actually a majority low-market-value women trying to sabotage high-market-value women. 0.99
00:40:06.100 Oh yeah, maybe it's also a crabs in the bucket trying to pull them down thing. I mean, there's
00:40:11.120 also this thing though that I had to learn about because it didn't make sense to me. Maybe it's
00:40:16.940 like an autistic young lady. I mean, first, like Chloe's saying this though, it makes me feel like
00:40:21.180 it's like a billionaire talking about how poor people shouldn't try to better their financial
00:40:25.580 circumstances because that would feed into the capitalist conspiracy. But also there's this pervasive
00:40:33.200 behavior among women where you do this thing where you talk about like, oh, I hate my hair. 0.63
00:40:39.800 And then everyone else is supposed to be like, no, your hair is beautiful. But even if it isn't,
00:40:43.640 like you just have to lie to them. And like, you kind of don't want them to make their hair better
00:40:48.500 because then, you know, they're going to be even prettier than you and you're going to feel even
00:40:51.380 worse about yourself. And it's like that mean girl scene. Have you seen? By the way, I would note,
00:40:58.260 just in case anybody doesn't know that what she's saying is wrong, being fat has pretty negative
00:41:01.980 effects on your brain. And you should like, no, you should really lose weight. If you're fat,
00:41:06.120 this, this, this Chloe, Chloe is unhinged, but I just sent you the mean girls references. I also 0.99
00:41:10.540 sent you the clip from Chloe, but you can see the mean girls reference to like what I'm talking about
00:41:13.920 here. I used to think there was just fat and skinny. Apparently there's a lot of things that
00:41:18.180 can be wrong on your body. My hairline is so weird. My pores are huge. My nail beds suck.
00:41:23.780 So I think in the end, like feminism, like it, it is, it is, it has failed. I'm one more. Okay. A lot 0.99
00:41:33.720 of progress has been made, but I think that it's been made by society. For intersexual sexual
00:41:38.380 competition among women. Yeah. And it might have always been about that. Right. Yeah. And I think 0.91
00:41:43.500 it's like the tale of the, the, the scorpion and the frog. Well, no, but it was certainly never about
00:41:49.800 uplifting women. If even Susan B. Anthony didn't want women being polled about how much they wanted
00:41:54.820 women to vote because she didn't want women's voice heard on that subject. Yeah. I mean, my general 0.96
00:42:00.460 intuition on this now is that like women gained rights and women do gain rights in various societies 0.92
00:42:06.800 because ultimately it is the most economically productive and most logical and most efficient thing to do.
00:42:12.560 You mean so the corpos can use them? Well, whatever, just because it makes more things work
00:42:18.160 better. It makes more sense. People prosper and flourish more both men and women when, when there
00:42:23.040 is less systematic disempowerment of certain segments of society. And this applies to race. This applies
00:42:27.520 to gender. This applies to all like stupid arbitrary. You're not allowed to do this things, you know, 1.00
00:42:33.580 like it's weird that like, I think until like 1970 women couldn't even apply for a credit card without 1.00
00:42:37.680 their husband. Yeah. Well, stupid. That's so stupid. So I just, but I don't think that's a like,
00:42:44.100 hold on. That's not stupid at all. That law makes a ton of sense. Think about it. 0.74
00:42:48.160 Why? Because what you're not considering is when you're married, you have a joint debt, right? And so
00:42:55.240 it would make sense to me that neither a husband nor wife should be able to apply to a credit card
00:43:00.100 without their partner. If they are taking out debt in their partner's name, which is what you are.
00:43:05.000 No, no, no. That's not what they were doing. This is, this is a woman in her own name on her own
00:43:08.920 without any association, because the problem was single unmarried women were trying single 1.00
00:43:13.220 unmarried women were, could not apply for credit. Single unmarried women. That's very different 1.00
00:43:18.340 than a married woman, not being able to take out a credit card without her husband. I think they may
00:43:22.240 be pulling a trick here. No, no, it was, you, you, you needed to have a husband. I was right here.
00:43:30.080 I looked up these laws and apparently they predominantly focused on married women, not 0.99
00:43:34.860 being able to take out debt in their husband's names without their husband's permission,
00:43:38.440 because that's what you're doing when you're taking out debt as a married person. It's actually
00:43:42.420 quite wild that they were repealed. However, I will note the reason they were repealed is
00:43:47.040 because many banks and States use these laws to deny widows and women before marriage, the
00:43:55.460 ability to take out bank loans without a male cosigner, like a father. And so they did lead
00:44:01.980 to sexism, but they were created for very sane reasons.
00:44:06.780 But I think it might've been, because I do not think like, for example, I'd be mortified
00:44:10.760 if you went and took out like a loan in, in, in that's super evil and bad. And like, yeah,
00:44:15.740 I mean, I, I, it is kind of odd cause I don't know.
00:44:19.920 No, I can take out a credit card and you can without my knowledge.
00:44:23.120 They don't check my credit too. Cause I thought that like, when you get married,
00:44:27.360 you kind of get saddled with your partners.
00:44:29.900 You get saddled with your debt, but not necessarily their credit score is my understanding.
00:44:34.400 So if you try to apply for a mortgage, so let's see, hold on. Like if I had terrible credit
00:44:39.500 and you had an amazing credit score and you applied solely for a mortgage without me,
00:44:45.120 you'd probably be able to get it. Cause then it shouldn't matter.
00:44:48.840 I don't know. I mean like the banks probably have a way around this, you know, but whatever.
00:44:52.640 Anyway, though, I, I just like my whole view on feminism has been destroyed and it's all the
00:44:57.000 fault of some feminist who decided to do a lecture on Margaret Atwood and make it free
00:45:01.400 on audible plus. So thank you, ma'am. You lost one.
00:45:05.660 An anti-feminist because you think that feminists are fundamentally anti-women. 1.00
00:45:12.300 Right. But it's their nature. This is, this is the scorpion on the log. Yes. You never put a
00:45:17.180 woman alone in a room with another woman.
00:45:18.800 And she's like, trust me, bro. I will carry you across this river. I will make, I will
00:45:23.680 make you better. But what's funny, there's not like a modern feminism problem. It's an 1.00
00:45:27.760 always feminism problem. Feminism has always been about women. 1.00
00:45:31.080 I mean, it makes sense evolutionarily as well. I mean, what have women historically needed to 1.00
00:45:36.520 make sure they have, they, they, they spend immense periods of their life, very vulnerable,
00:45:41.500 either pregnant or with a newborn. They need resources and resources are limited.
00:45:45.340 This is the anti-bear in the woods argument. You're like, I would only feel good if I ran
00:45:52.140 into a man in the woods, not a woman. Because statistically, the woman is more likely to
00:45:57.780 She will feed me to the bear or, or the, or the predatory man. Either way, I'm not, I'm not good
00:46:03.440 with her. It's not, it's not safe. But again, fun, fun argument. I love it, Simone. You are a genius
00:46:08.520 and a great wife. And I think for tonight, just reheat the meal from the other night in the microwave.
00:46:12.720 It doesn't matter. Or reheat it. Well, I can make gyoza too. I don't, I don't have a fever right
00:46:16.940 now, so I can function. And you got me vitamin water. So I'm going to chug one of those. It
00:46:22.660 will give me the energy I need to power. Are you going to make good gyoza or bad gyoza?
00:46:26.720 Good gyoza, not burnt. No, but the, the fancy kind that we get at the Asian store.
00:46:31.540 Yeah. The only, we only have the stuff from the Asian store.
00:46:34.120 Okay. Good. Cause you try to sneak in some other stuff. No, I didn't, but, but you did
00:46:38.740 buy BP go gyoza from the store and you didn't like it as much. Do you not want me to make
00:46:43.360 that at all anymore? Cause that's what's. Simone, Simone, Simone, we tried to get something
00:46:48.420 new this time. Can we try whatever the new one was? Yeah, but I don't have a lot of room
00:46:53.360 in the small freezer where I have already opened bags and I opened that bag. Okay. Then just
00:46:57.240 use the bag that you already opened and we'll finish it. You got to power through it, Malcolm.
00:47:02.120 You bought it. Gyoza. I didn't like it last time. Well, you were just like, this isn't as good as
00:47:07.080 the other kind, but then you went and bought totally different kinds anyway, but you have
00:47:10.980 to go through a bag before you open a new bag. I understand. Thank you. You know, someday our kids
00:47:17.740 won't only eat dinosaur nuggets and maybe pizzas and they can actually help you go through the foods
00:47:25.760 that you don't want to eat anymore. They'll actually eat gyoza or who knows, even, you know,
00:47:33.300 some of the curries we make, but right now they refuse anything remotely. You are the true queen bee
00:47:40.940 of this family. Because I slap everyone down. You, you never do. You only work to uplift everyone.
00:47:47.680 That's the thing. Women work to uplift their families. It's not like women only pull people down. 1.00
00:47:52.180 Like women have a vested biological interest in their families. Well, and there are many, many, 0.92
00:47:56.600 many anecdotal examples of amazing female mentorship and mother-daughter relationships.
00:48:01.740 And look, Malcolm, your mother, I mean, she may have called me a vortex of failure, but she also
00:48:08.120 mentored me a great deal. Vortex of failure is one of the best insults I have ever heard.
00:48:13.960 Yes. I mean, she's so vivid and illicit.
00:48:16.600 She did far more extremely kind, high investment, high effort things to me than she ever did in the 0.99
00:48:24.580 form of insults and threats and derogatory remarks and calling me a cunt. So I, and I liked those 1.00
00:48:32.940 things too, because they just brought drama to the table. It was like having a...
00:48:37.840 Women do help their families. 1.00
00:48:39.960 They do. They do. And like, I, I'm so grateful.
00:48:42.660 Their families, they have nothing to help. And so they just tear down all of society.
00:48:49.160 Yeah. I mean, this is intrasexual competition and, and, and we have to remember this competition,
00:48:53.440 what is it about? It's about getting resources for yourself and your family.
00:48:57.060 Right. But the point being, when you do not have a family and you are only on intrasexual
00:49:02.000 competition.
00:49:02.320 Yeah. Then it's just, then it's just pointless. And for me, yeah, there's no one who gets to
00:49:05.660 benefit.
00:49:06.060 Tear down society. Tear down society. 0.99
00:49:07.660 Yeah.
00:49:08.360 Actually, you're right though, that like women are very, very good at enriching their own. 0.97
00:49:12.660 Like if you are in the sphere of a woman, you are safe, but that is not going to happen 1.00
00:49:17.280 in the workplace.
00:49:17.800 No, no, no. But they do that by destroying everything else, which is, I think why the
00:49:21.000 progressive party has become so toxic is because I'm a party that's dedicated to the destruction
00:49:24.480 of society. I love you so much, Simone.
00:49:27.460 I love you too. I think, I think I hear Octavian rummaging around downstairs. So down we go.
00:49:32.940 By the way, Simone, the, the woman, so there was a big woman who is running this like program 1.00
00:49:39.380 to try to get men to vote Democrat.
00:49:41.920 Yeah.
00:49:42.220 She got back to us in an email.
00:49:44.860 I said a thousand to one choice or odds. That is insane. With willingness or just.
00:49:49.560 I don't, I don't know. I haven't read it. You can read it now. I'm too, like high stakes
00:49:53.640 emails like this.
00:49:56.540 Looks like she responded only to you. 0.95
00:50:00.140 Oh, she responded only to me. That really sucks. Okay. So I have to actually read it 1.00
00:50:04.300 this time. All right. Well, let's see. I will try to read God. She thinks she has nothing
00:50:09.160 to do with it.
00:50:10.800 Oh, so you just got the wrong person. Okay. So my odds.
00:50:13.380 No, no, it's the right person. She just thinks that because I mentioned the project, I thought
00:50:17.060 she had something to do with it.
00:50:18.660 Oh, you can look more into it. Okay. Ready?
00:50:22.020 Yeah. Okay.
00:50:24.700 Here we are.
00:50:26.340 Okay, I need to pick some of it.
00:50:29.640 Whoa, here's some.
00:50:32.440 Look.
00:50:34.800 Whoa, it's floating.
00:50:45.140 And then, it's not.
00:50:47.960 I'm going to get some sticks.
00:51:00.380 I think it's long enough.
00:51:03.920 It's tight.
00:51:04.640 I'm going to move.
00:51:08.640 Oh, I'm going to get some sticks.
00:51:10.640 I'm going to get some sticks.
00:51:12.640 I'm going to get some sticks.
00:51:14.640 Oh, my God.
00:51:37.200 Oh, my God.