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In this episode, Simone and I discuss the concept of cultural carrying capacity, which is the concept that the carrying capacity of a region is determined by the culture that lives within that region. This may seem obvious to an individual, but it is actually very spicy if you break it down.
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Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be talking about
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one of our more controversial ideas that I had recently, and it changed the way I saw a lot of
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things, which is the concept of cultural carrying capacity, meaning that the carrying capacity of
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a region is determined by the culture that lives within that region. Now, this may seem obvious to
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an individual, but it is actually very, very spicy if you break it down more. I think it's only
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obvious from an environmental standpoint. Most people are familiar with the concept of carrying
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capacity. When you think about a swamp, there's only so much water in the swamp. There's only so
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much algae in the swamp. When you look at population levels of the swamp, you're either going to see
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what's called an S-curve, where basically the population goes up. Oh, not enough algae is
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available anymore, and it starts to go down a little bit. It regulates. In a really bad scenario,
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you get what's called a J-curve, where maybe an invasive species enters the swamp.
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They completely consume everything. The swamp becomes basically a dead zone,
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and you have a huge population crash. But the carrying capacity is how much can this environment
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sustain in terms of one population or a mixture of populations? And this came up when Malcolm was
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debating- Well, hold on, hold on. Before you go further, just to summarize so that they understand
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why this is spicy, is essentially what we're going to be arguing is that the carrying capacity of a
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region is heavily determinate when you're talking about the number of people that can live in it,
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because that's very important when you're talking about global population, demographic class,
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everything like that, is heavily determined on the cultural group within that region,
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which is often, culture is often heavily tied to ethnicity. So like cultural, ethno groups.
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And the number of people a region can support depends on which one of those we might be talking
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about, cultural groups we might be talking about. So continue.
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Yeah, this came up in the context of Malcolm having a discourse or debate with some college
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students on a college campus. And one of them brought this up in the context of a particular
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I'll tell you, I might be able to. So we were discussing demographic collapse, right? And I was
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talking about my own cultural region, which is the Greater Appalachian Cultural Group. And one of the
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students there was from the Greater Appalachian Cultural Group. And he was reflecting on
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the poverty of the area that he grew up. And he's like, we have extended beyond the carrying capacity
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of the region. There were just too many of us for the region. And we just had too many kids. And this
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was a bad thing. And now it's strained the region. I remember at first, I was really perplexed by the
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Yeah. Basically what he was saying is, our people bred too much. And now hospitals are shutting down due to
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economic collapse. And schools are shutting down due to economic collapse in the region,
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et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And I was like, well, that happens also because of demographic
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collapse. And he goes, well, this isn't happening here because of demographic collapse. It's happening
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for economic reasons because we have extended beyond our carrying capacity. And I just remember
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in my head, I was very confused. I was like, first of all, cultures are not isolated to one region.
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If you had outbred for your region, especially given that demographic collapse is happening all
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around you, you could just migrate into adjacent regions, right? Like you're not like bound
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to West Virginia, buddy. But like, like, even if that was true, what he was saying, but then I
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was like, but also like, if you were to be very offensive here, because this is the group I was
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using as a foil Jews, like you put a bunch of Jews and a lot more Jews and are in like, let's say
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West Virginia, you know, per, per region in a desert like Israel, you know, they're able to turn it into
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a thriving economy, right? Manhattan has a higher carrying capacity, right? Like they're not
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farming there because we live in a world today where, uh, you can farm in other locations in
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the location that you are based. Uh, you know, you can import food into that location. You're
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carrying capacity of a region is not at all determined by the actual food that that region
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can produce. It's no longer, and this should be fairly obvious to people determined by like the
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Malthusian limits of the agricultural load of a particular region. It is determined by your ability
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to buy the resources that you need to support whatever population you have and build the
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operational infrastructure. Yeah. You can't even like, literally you can't even domestically produce,
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even if you don't want to buy them using technology, you can domestically produce the energy
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using nuclear, for example, that you need and, and the food, even in an urban area. I mean,
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a lot of people are making really cool. And I'm saying all this was a disparagement to my own
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people, right? Like, like, so you can't be like, I'm being racist here or something like that.
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I'm like, why don't we look at what the Jews are like the way that they culturally work and take
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cultural technology from them to become better ourselves. Right. And people can be like, well,
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what about on a global scale? Right. Like surely the earth has like a carrying capacity.
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And I'm like, it just effing doesn't like, or at least we're nowhere near it right now in terms
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of let's say food production. I mean, so we have a carrying capacity that can be moved on a slider
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up and down based on the extent to which we're willing to use various technologies or innovate
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around problems. No, but this is what I'm talking about. So, so people will, I think it's something
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like 3%. If you put solar panels on just 3% of the Sahara, you would produce as much energy as the
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entire world consumes on like a daily basis. So like the amount of energy. So like, suppose
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you had a region that like actually had grown beyond their, their need for food and they were
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very technologically adapt society. Right. And they're like, okay, we need more food. What do
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you do? Well, you take a region of the Sahara, you put a bunch of solar panels down, you then use those
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solar panels to like infuse, to, to, to get the energy you need to infuse dirt with various chemical
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processes and stuff like this to revitalize the dirt. And then you could create like infinite
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greenhouses, right? Because you've also got the sun there and you just need to darken it enough to
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make it good for the plants in that region. And then you use the, the batteries that are powered in that
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region to have like an endless thing of like automated helicopters going from there to wherever
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you are, your little settlement is constantly bringing food or, you know, deep ocean agriculture
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or stuff like that. Like we have the technological capability to do this. Like the Netherlands,
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little bitty, the Netherlands produces something in like, find this in post, like 80% of like
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even like large exports. I think it's like potato exports or something like that.
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So it was, they produce 20 to 25% of global tomato exports. 20 to 25% of tomatoes are produced just in
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the little bitty Netherlands. They produce around 20% of global potato exports. They produce around 25 to
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30% of global onion exports, little tiny, tiny, tiny, the Netherlands. They are the world's
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second largest exporter by value of global agricultural exports only behind the United
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States. Well, and Venice was another really great early example of this. You know, you literally have
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a swamp region. They don't have, they don't have the stuff they need to sustain themselves,
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but they made it work. Yeah. And you see this, like, what's the carrying capacity of a spaceship,
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right? The carrying of a capacity of a spaceship is determined by the technological acumen and
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willingness to lean in of the culture that inhabits that spaceship, right? And it's going to differ
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between cultural groups. So this is going to become like today on earth, the idea of a cultural
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carrying capacity may not be an important concept, but it's going to be a very important concept when
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we're talking about space travel, right? Yeah. I think with, in a recent interview with the
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All In podcast, Elon Musk was saying something along those lines of like, it doesn't really matter what
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happens with the first contingent that goes to Mars. What happens is, you know, when do we get to the
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point where the Mars colony can sustain itself and no longer relies on resupply ships? You saw this
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with the early American colonies. There were a lot that died out waiting for a resupply ship to come. And
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that is because they could not sustain themselves without it. But this is about multiple things within a
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cultural group. This is about not just the culture's ability to, you know, grow food and
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engage with technology that can handle stuff like that or create things that people want to trade
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food for. Right. But it also, when you're talking about spaceships and off-world colonies, will come
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with the group's own desires for excesses, right? Like a group that overeats or a group that desires
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particularly tasty foods or a group that desires, you know, the more, you know, predilections for like,
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let's say recreational sex a group has, the more resources they are going to consume and the less
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efficient they are going to be. Right. And these are things that might end up mattering a lot when
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we can begin to edit people's genomes to like code for different preferences. So yeah, I'm, I think that
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this concept is going to be critical for space travel. And as I said, the next part of this came from
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the thing the next guy said in the room, because I thought that this was really interesting and helped me
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move this concept forward as well. So then this black guy, very obviously woke. He was like, well,
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I think it's really ignorant to say that, you know, most group differences are due to cultural
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differences. And I was like, well, it's actually the best way to look at things. Right. Because you
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have three potentialities, you know, I'm talking to a college class here. I'm not going to say that
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genetic differences matter, but I'm like, you have only really, well, I'll give, I'll add in one
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wild card. So we'll say four reasons why different groups are different. Okay. You can either say
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it's completely random, which makes no sense. Otherwise you wouldn't see it consistently
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across groups and across regions. Okay. You can then say, well, it's because of cultural
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differences, right? Like if you watch our, you know, Asians don't actually have a higher IQ.
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The results are actually way weirder. Or we point out that like one study showing the Asians spent
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like 11 extra hours a week on homework assignments, right? Like obviously they're going to outperform
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other groups if they're working harder and they're studying more. Right. And then the, the final
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explanation, which is the one that the Wokies default to, but is actually a very, very bad
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explanation, toxic explanation to normalize is that groups are cheating. That's the reason for
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differences. And those are really the only explanations. There is no other explanation
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for group differences. Right. And if those are your only explanations as to like why the Appalachians
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aren't doing as well. And then you look at a group that's doing better than you, like say Jews,
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as I've mentioned, Jews out earn most groups. They are.
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Well, and by cheating, I think he's referring to what in general, the urban monoculture would
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refer to as systemic racism or like systemic inequality.
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Right. They have established cultural barriers that favor their own group, right? Or legal barriers
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Or cumulative disadvantages that cannot be overcome.
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So unfortunately there's plenty of examples of cumulative disadvantages that have been repeatedly
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Yeah. Repeatedly overcome. So, so, which we'll get to in just a second, but if you, if you have
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this perspective, right, then you have to assume you, you, you, as a group that is suffering,
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can't say, I'm going to learn from another group that's doing better than me in some area.
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Right. You have to assume that they just need to be punished because they have essentially
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stolen from you. And, and, and to me, I find this to be a psychotic explanation. I wish I'd
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gone over this at the time. At the time, what I said was, and why would you, it's not that,
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because I was trying to be, you know, magnanimous and genteel in this situation and been like,
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Hey, look, we're just looking at this from the perspective of raising our own kids.
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And there's really no utility in telling our own kids that the system is rigged against them.
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Because if we focus on the system being rigged against our kids,
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They're going to develop an external locus of control, which is correlated with really bad
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outcomes. If you want to screw someone over, give them an external locus of control.
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All you can do is deal with the hand of cards that has been dealt to you. And if you want to be able
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to deal with it successfully, you need an external locus of control, meaning that you only have a few
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levers you get to play. And one is culture. So yeah, an internal locus of control. The two levers
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that you can play, regardless of the hand that you've been dealt with is your culture and whether
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or not you want to cheat or play the game. I just think it's, it's playing the game.
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Before we get to the cheating, because Simone, you had a brilliant idea around cheating,
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not always being a bad thing that we'll get to, but I wanted to go over something else before we
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get to that idea. Okay. Is that what you're about to get to or?
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I want to go over what I, what I should have said, because I was, I don't know why I didn't think
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of this at the time, but I was like, okay, so, you know, I'm a white person here. Like Japanese
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people, clearly they were in internment camps. They had everything taken from them fairly recently
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in American history. And now they out earn us. So should I assume that they're cheating? Like,
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should I assume that they have cheated us white people because they are doing better than us?
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Like that's a psychotic way to look at the world instead of trying to look at the things they're
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doing well and adopt those cultural practices myself. And so this perspective where you don't
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accept, and here I am saying, I think that if they could get themselves to breed, different question
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here, Japanese people would probably have a higher cultural carrying capacity than people of the
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greater Appalachian cultural group, my people, right? For innumerous reasons. And that's fine for
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me to admit, right? Like, why is that so toxic to be like different people are different and
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therefore we can learn from them, right? But I want to go to this idea that you have that I
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thought was so clever because I was like, look, you know, we can say, you know, some groups cheat
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and that's bad, right? And you're like, but Malcolm, it's not always bad. And I was like,
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what do you mean it's not always bad? Go into it. Well, one person's cheating is another person's
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looking at the system, finding an arbitrage play and making it. And I presented the example of
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ethnic cartels, which we did an episode on this, this idea of that we have the Patel motels. We
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have a ton of Indian owned 7-Elevens. We have a ton of, I think, Indonesian owned donut places in
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California and Vietnamese nail salons. There are all these groups that are coming from very little
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advantage. And this is typically these, these, these ethnic cartels as they're called sometimes
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are typically started by just one man who then goes on and uses an extended family network. And then
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a larger network of, of new immigrants from his, his national background to build up what sort of
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becomes an empire. They're, they're, they're not advantaged. What they do is they see that, oh,
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here's this industry, not a lot of capital and, and hard work is going into it because this is not
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glamorous and no one wants to do the work. Well, I'm going to go into this. I'm going to utilize
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basically my systematically disadvantaged group. That's willing to work below market where we have high,
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high cultural and social trust. We're going to provide cheap credit to each other and we're
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going to own this industry. And they do. So playing the game or, or cheating the finding
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arbitrage opportunities. And this episode hasn't gone live yet, but it's like insane. Like it,
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for example, what was it? Who, who owns like nails? You put it live, didn't you? No,
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it hasn't gone live yet. No. Who is it? Who owns nail salons again? It was Vietnamese. And so
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Vietnamese nail salons are so pervasive now that in California it can be difficult to find a class
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that is not in Vietnamese because that is just how we believe the point here being is, is do we
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believe that Vietnamese dominate the nail salon industry because of Vietnamese culture? No, I don't
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think so. Do we believe it because the Vietnamese genetics? No, I don't think so. It is a system that
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they put in place that took advantage of an industry that other people weren't as focused on.
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If you, if you want to look at like Jewish groups and banking, they, they lived in environments where
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the pervasive or the, the, the dominant population was unwilling to engage in various elements of
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banking, like interest, interest. So here's an individual, like, like, you know, black kid here,
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who's like, you know, scolding me for not being woke enough in my thinking. If he wanted to like
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help the black community start one of these, there have been ethnic black ethnic cartels before,
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right? Like you can do this. You just, because of your externalized focus, you refuse to, right?
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Like you're not helping your own community by taking the externalized focus and focusing on
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the ways that other people have wronged you. I mean, I think, I think it's okay to acknowledge that
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you, a group has been mistreated and that sucks, but I think that takes all of a sentence, you know,
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like, yeah, that was a dick move. You know, whoever did that, don't do that. But yeah,
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to be like, and this is why I can't do anything or, and this is why it's, it's pointless for me to try
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is the most harmful thing you could possibly do to this group that was disadvantaged. That's what
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really gets me. Like, if you care about that, you need to care about what's going to solve the
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problem, not about who did it because in the end, you know, bringing justice isn't even really that
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satisfying. And, and also it's, it's kind of impossible at this point because most of the
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people who are involved in this are a pretty dead. And this idea of like reparations, for example,
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where like people who had no personal responsibility in making certain things happen are expected to
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pay for something they never did. It's just so beyond ridiculous to me that it's just not a
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productive conversation to have at all. It is, it is frustrating. I'm a little like, you didn't have
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to mention that that student was black. It could be anyone. But in the context, it did matter because
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he was trying to use his status, you know, in the urban monoculture, in the normative cultural
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framework of our society, black people have the right to sort of shut down white people when they're
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talking about stuff like this, which was what he was expecting. You know, he started the conversation
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was it's ignorant of you to say X, like that there are cultural differences between groups that lead
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to outcomes, clearly implying that I was being like racist or not aware of like the, the, the woke rules
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around what I'm allowed to say. You're saying that he tried to undermine the open debate that you were
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trying to organize. Yes. He tried to use his identity to undermine the open debate that I was trying to
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organize, even when it was obviously true. And even when like, it's, it does not take a genius to
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be like, Hey, the Japanese people didn't cheat their way into economic success. And I was specifically
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when I was talking about all this, talking about the two groups I had talked about was Japanese
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Americans. Cause I had talked about not Japanese, Asian Americans. I had talked about them working
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more on homework and the Appalachian cultural group. Black people didn't come up. They were not a
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part of this conversation. Yeah. Yeah. In other words, just for more context, Malcolm was sort of
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midway through arguing why we think culture is so important and that it isn't actually genetic
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differences that we're so interested in that. It's not like, Oh, this group's smarter than the
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other, because you pointed to the anecdote that, okay, while many Asian students on average have
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much higher test scores, when you look at the data, they also spend 12 hours, 12 hours per week on
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average, more than non-Asian students on studying. So like, are you shocked that they're performing
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better in school? Like, yeah. Yeah. And then we go over like the IQ tests and everything like that
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and show that they're not like gifted, right? Like uniquely it's that they're working harder and
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that's a cultural difference. Now genetics may play a role in that as well. I'm not going to,
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you know, ignore that, but the reason why I don't focus on genetics that much is because you can't
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change it. Yeah, not yet. And then once you can change it, then it doesn't matter because you can
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change it if you want to. Genetics is irrelevant in the same way as societal, you know, sort of
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structural systems are largely irrelevant because both of them are things that are baked into me
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that I can't change right now. And so if I'm focused on my own children's success and my own
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family's success, which should always be my number one concern. These people who try to like reorganize
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society around their objectives and goals, it's so utopian and obviously doomed to fail. Everyone
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who's ever tried it, like it leads to evil when you try to reorganize society in that way. So don't
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focus on your family. Yeah. So I think, I guess the takeaway you want people to have is, I mean,
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aside from the fact that you need to think about environments, not in terms of their environmental
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carrying capacity as a human, but rather their cultural, your personal cultural carrying capacity
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in that context, but also there are really out of the fact that there are quite a few levers,
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you know, including randomness, including history and genetics, the levers that you can pull at this
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time, our culture and playing the system. And some people are going to call that cheating. Other
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people are going to call that arbitrage plays, but you just have to, you have to know that it kind of
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doesn't matter what hand you got dealt. People are playing poker. They're not like, well, I'm never going
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to play this game again because I didn't like the hand I was dealt. Like, I'm just going to stop
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playing. Like, no, you have to like, maybe you can bluff. Maybe, maybe, you know, wait for another hand,
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like fold. But think about this from the perspective of the species more broadly, right? Like, like if
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you're talking about species and you're talking about carrying capacity of a region, right? The
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carrying capacity of a particular region differs greatly based on the species that is exploiting
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that carrying capacity that is living within that region. Carrying capacity is species specific.
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Why is carrying capacity species specific? Carrying capacity is species specific because species have
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different behavior and because they have different biology, right? If human cultural groups have
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different behaviors, intrinsically human cultural groups, just like different species are going to
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have different carrying capacities. Yeah. And also in different environments too, depending on what
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they're good at. And yeah, but the wider takeaway from this is it, I think people have a responsibility
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to one sort of understand or build a cultural group, understand what is limiting that cultural
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group's carrying capacity. Why is that cultural group failing or succeeding? Um, what are areas that
00:21:44.480
other cultural groups could do better, right? Like, because the, the ability of a group to export
00:21:49.420
specific things, right? Like whether it's money or banking or, or, uh, you know, call center services
00:21:56.180
or AI tech, right? Is going to differ between the group's cultural specialization. And you can look
00:22:03.540
at something like, let's say black Americans, like black Americans very clearly dominate the music
00:22:07.140
industry, right? Across musical genres, mind you, even in country music. Like I think Shibuzy is like the
00:22:12.120
number one country musician, right? So, so even in like classically white, potentially even groups that will
00:22:17.800
have like in-group racial motivation around whiteness, black people can still out-compete white,
00:22:22.900
white people in the music industry. And so if you're like, how do I get better? Like I want my
00:22:27.780
kids to be great musicians. Look at what the black community is doing, right? Like clearly they're
00:22:33.400
doing something you're not doing, right? So it doesn't just go in one direction. It's not like
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always do what the Jews do. It's do what the Jews do when the Jews are out-competing you within that
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domain. And it's, and it's something that you can adopt, which is funny because not all cultures
00:22:48.040
have this way. I've talked about it in other episodes, but I think it's interesting. If you look
00:22:51.020
at it in China, they're, they're very open to this. Like there's lots of books of like how to get rich
00:22:55.520
like Jew, how to raise kids like in China. Yeah. Yeah. Where they're like, oh, this, this group seems
00:23:02.700
to be out competing other groups. Like how do I do that? Yeah. And that's, that's the healthy
00:23:07.240
approach. Like we laugh at it because it's, you don't see it in the United States, but I think we laugh
00:23:12.320
at it also because it's surprising, but it makes sense. Like, oh, we, we really probably should
00:23:16.720
be asking how we can get rich, like a Jew. Like clearly they figured something out and I want that
00:23:22.340
thing. So can we maybe learn from them instead of be like, they're cheating somehow. It's not fair.
00:23:28.880
Yeah. Cause they, they've been through it and through it, Malcolm. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's an
00:23:36.840
interesting concept. And to be fair, the students in this, this, this debate also had a lot of really
00:23:42.800
interesting and insightful and eyeopening things to say, I, I enjoyed it a lot. It just happens to
00:23:49.100
tell you. You had the major interesting revelations, but you have them when you're talking to other
00:23:52.620
people. Yeah. The cheat codes can be ethical, right? Like that, that all the cultural cheat codes you have
00:23:57.980
access to are not unethical. And, and I was quite impressed with the idea of like, once I began to
00:24:03.120
think about cultural carrying capacity, it became so effing obvious to me. And it, it, all of a sudden
00:24:08.320
I started to ask, like, you're really looking at not just demographics, because we often look at
00:24:12.900
demographic collapse. How do you motivate higher reproductive rates, but you're looking at how do
00:24:17.760
you motivate higher reproductive rates alongside a culture that would have a high carrying capacity?
00:24:23.240
Yeah. What I think also is people set up their techno fiefdoms in, in an age of post demographic
00:24:30.620
collapse, techno feudalism. They need to be thinking specifically about the environments they
00:24:37.060
choose and how their unique culture is going to make it work in those environments. I'd also note
00:24:42.980
here that I would have a modifying criteria within the concept of cultural carrying capacity, as we
00:24:47.660
look at it going forwards, which I would call the technological coefficient, or let's say the
00:24:53.740
industrial coefficient. So the industrial coefficient is the modification to population number of
00:25:02.760
resources consumed, contrasted with the amount of productivity you get based on that culture. So I'll
00:25:10.140
explain what I mean by this. Okay. You could be a culture that goes into a region and can
00:25:16.660
significantly outbreed your neighbors, right? Like, like you can have X many people living in a region
00:25:22.500
because your culture doesn't mind people starving to death all the time, right? You just do not care,
00:25:27.400
right? Like whatever. I'm just going to keep breeding until I start starving and my kids start
00:25:31.180
starving, right? And there's lots of things like this. Yeah. There's just kind of a norm in-
00:25:35.480
Well, it's a norm in the animal world. It's a norm in some parts of the human world.
00:25:38.660
Well, and yeah, historically it was a pervasive norm in many parts of, if not all parts of the human
00:25:43.280
world. Yeah. But there's other cultural groups which artificially limit their sort of carrying
00:25:51.180
capacity and redirect resources, whether it is energy. Well, energy is the main one, energy or
00:25:58.360
material supplies into the production of industrial capacity. And that can be in the form of artificial
00:26:05.440
intelligence. That can be in the form of automated factories. That can be in the form of robotics,
00:26:11.240
et cetera. And that we need to keep in mind the amount of output a culture is getting as something
00:26:17.540
that is measured alongside their total population. Because you might have two of these populations,
00:26:22.760
the one that has no technology, but just breathes until they start starving. And the one that's like,
00:26:26.680
it redirects, let's say 80% of the actual energy, because that's like the core unit.
00:26:31.180
That is what we are getting from the plants that we eat is energy ultimately. And if you have energy,
00:26:35.520
you can ultimately make food. It might be lossy, but eventually all food is convertible to energy and
00:26:41.300
all energy is convertible to food with sufficient technology. And they're putting the majority of their
00:26:46.080
energy, not into the creation of new humans, but into industrial capacity that needs to be measured
00:26:50.320
because that has an impact on their ability to exert their cultural will on the neighbor was a lower
00:26:57.380
industrial coefficient. When this becomes increasingly important, when you're talking about interstellar
00:27:03.220
colonies, inter spaceship competition and stuff like that, your spaceship may only have, you know,
00:27:09.420
10 humans living in it who are like genetically augmented and created. And another might have a thousand
00:27:13.940
people living on it, but they just don't have anything close to your level of technological output
00:27:17.720
because you're living in a closed system and you're always deciding, am I putting my energy into food
00:27:23.580
that humans are consuming and metabolizing, or am I putting it into industrial production?
00:27:32.180
And it may make sense. I think, though, in the future, this kind of thoughtfulness is going to inherently
00:27:38.280
be built into things like space colonies where it needs to be considered more thoughtfully is in the more
00:27:44.620
grassroots communities that are arising. So someone in response to our demographic collapse video where we sort of
00:27:50.220
talk about a post-collapse world said it's all fine and well that these charter cities are popping up for
00:27:57.500
really wealthy people and groups, but what about the rest of us, right? Like, I'm not getting an invite to this.
00:28:03.520
So what am I going to do? And I pointed out that there are also city-state movements,
00:28:09.040
one example being Return to Land, where people are, they have a cultural affinity and they're
00:28:13.600
building a community around it, where it doesn't really matter that they don't have special
00:28:18.340
privileges from the state because either they're trying to work within existing laws, which is what
00:28:23.100
Return to Land is doing, or at the point of demographic collapse, no one's really going to be enforcing
00:28:29.060
stuff anyway. So, you know, if you can defend yourself and fly under the radar, it doesn't really
00:28:34.500
matter how you govern internally because there's no one else there to pay attention. But I think the
00:28:40.820
important thing for these lower tech communities to be thinking about, because they're not necessarily
00:28:45.340
coming from sophisticated resource management and business and investing backgrounds, or even,
00:28:50.100
you know, from permaculture backgrounds, they need to really be thinking about, if they're low tech,
00:28:54.860
the actual environmental carrying capacity of the land on which they're choosing to settle,
00:28:59.600
or if they're coming at this from a higher tech perspective, but just very grassroots and
00:29:03.740
bootstrapped, how to combine their cultural carrying capacity with the environmental carrying capacity.
00:29:12.140
Some people I've been chatting with are like, well, you know, maybe we'll go into mining,
00:29:15.320
right? You know, getting rare earths, because that's probably going to be a growing industry.
00:29:18.860
That is one way where they can, they can be in a more hostile environment, but still have high
00:29:22.860
cultural carrying capacity that allows them to survive and thrive, despite not being surrounded
00:29:27.720
by, you know, a very fertile permaculture friendly environment. If they combine the two of them,
00:29:34.200
then even better. Yeah. And while I mentioned this a few times, I really need to, once we begin to
00:29:40.040
think about humanity's future, and our manifest destiny among the stars, and the concepts we're going
00:29:45.760
to need to culturally normalize to when space travel becomes normal, it will become very obvious to
00:29:51.240
people that many of the cultural taboos in terms of stuff we can talk about today need to be dropped.
00:29:56.060
The idea that genetic differences aren't real, or the idea that, and note here, I'm not talking
00:30:00.900
about between us, the cities, I would never say that. That's, you know, I don't want to be pilloried
00:30:05.400
here. I'm just talking about between individual humans, that some humans are born, you know,
00:30:10.160
smarter than other humans, or with different capacities than other humans. And to not see
00:30:14.840
an advantage that you've had your entire life is not being magnanimous. You know, it's being
00:30:22.060
massively insensitive. Yeah. And, and pretending that, you know, people who were born with your
00:30:27.360
exact same background or possibly systemic privileges as a whatever class person just
00:30:33.720
didn't work as hard as you. When really, no, maybe they were born with a very different set of
00:30:38.980
genetic traits. It doesn't give them the same combination of drive and intelligence that enabled
00:30:43.160
you to perform so well. Anyone who has had multiple kids knows that their kids are gifted
00:30:47.160
with different strengths and with different drawbacks, depending on the environment. Right.
00:30:52.760
And, and so to pretend that this is a group wide thing is yeah, totally insensitive.
00:30:57.100
We're going to have to drop that. We're going to have to drop the idea that culture isn't
00:31:00.620
different. Culture is different. And not every cultural group can get along with every cultural
00:31:04.060
group. You can import people willy nilly into your country that think that people should be
00:31:09.320
able to force a nine-year-old girl to get married to someone she doesn't want to.
00:31:13.080
And that's culturally normal. See our video on, because we're not arguing this as outsiders.
00:31:17.920
This is something the Pakistani Islamic court argued. They said it was Islamophobic to ban
00:31:21.240
this, to ban child forced marriage. They, they, they, they, and they're at least within their
00:31:27.840
own cultural concept are right about that. But when you import those people willy nilly
00:31:30.500
into an environment like Germany or something like that, a real, a totally different culture,
00:31:34.240
like both groups have a right to their own culture, but they may not be compatible.
00:31:37.940
It can be right now. We can pretend that they're actually incompatible, but when you put them
00:31:42.100
on a spaceship together, it can, it'll become obvious real quick that these two groups cannot
00:31:47.680
live alongside each other. And then you get a genocide, right? Like that's what happens when
00:31:52.160
you force groups that are incompatible with each other to live in enclosed spaces. But this is
00:31:57.780
also true with countries, right? Like one of you have this reporter that's recently, and she's
00:32:01.840
all throwing this big fit about like ice and everything like that, you know, taking people out of the
00:32:06.060
country. And I think you see this with Germany, right? Germany's in a worse situation.
00:32:09.840
You know, they're taking even more incompatible immigrant groups and filling their country with
00:32:12.960
it, right? You know, to try to spam the vote in their favor. And they, they other side is eventually
00:32:19.580
right. Like this group coming into the country, it's like, I don't want to acclimatize to your
00:32:25.340
culture. And, and, and, and given that, that means you only have one, two options. You either
00:32:29.340
culturally genocide them by erasing your group that doesn't want to have their culture erased by
00:32:32.040
taking their kids and adopting them into your culture. Or you keep a group there that is actively
00:32:36.720
hostile to your interests in your cultural system and wants a different government under
00:32:40.420
due to their religion under Sharia law in the case of Germany. And, and, and, and, and so
00:32:45.200
you're either eventually going to get cultural conflict between the two groups, which means
00:32:47.820
killing and murder, or one of the groups eventually has to be expunged, right? Like moved out of the
00:32:52.440
country. And what we're seeing in the United States, it's not the fault of Trump that this sort
00:32:56.800
of dragnet approach is happening. It's the fault of the group that the analogy I used to Simone
00:33:01.340
earlier is it's like somebody invited a bunch of homeless people into my house while I was gone,
00:33:05.420
when they were supposed to be homesteading for me. And I come back and a portion of the homeless
00:33:09.500
people are like hostile and breaking things and stealing things. And I'm like, I need to expel
00:33:13.140
those people. And they're like, well, if you expel them, you have to expel all of us, which is
00:33:17.540
really the position that left is taking is I was like, well, then I need to expel everyone. And
00:33:20.680
frankly, I never consented to this in the first place. Right? Like, yeah, well,
00:33:27.740
interesting stuff, but the important stuff to think about as you build communities for the future,
00:33:33.020
I'm going to go pick up Toasty for his, his APA therapy question on dinner tonight.
00:33:39.680
Yeah. Would you like we have anything frozen or should we be going to like the tons of,
00:33:45.180
of curries? Yeah. Could I do a curry of some sort? Yeah. Absolutely. Rice. Cause it's been a long time
00:33:53.740
and I really like it. Good. Let's do it. All right. I love you so much, Malcolm. I love you so much,
00:33:58.780
Simone. Thanks for giving me a palate cleanser. Um, I, by the way, thank you for being okay with me
00:34:06.420
pulling the trigger on a pretty big decision that we're going to be making tomorrow. Just.
00:34:11.260
Oh, I didn't have a good feeling about this from like for a really long time. So what was it the
00:34:17.580
team that you didn't have a good feeling about or? Yeah. The team, the direction, the lack of
00:34:21.740
transparency. Yeah. Wasn't, wasn't, I mean, I like the people individually, but they were never
00:34:30.660
doing anything. They never indicated anything to me that implied that we were on the same page
00:34:37.280
in terms of, Hey guys, this is our mission. Our goal is to promote long-term human flourishing,
00:34:43.280
raise awareness about demographic collapse and spark important debates. And
00:34:48.160
yeah, I'm not getting that read. So anyway, let's go.
00:35:00.240
Oh my gosh. Do you think that they might eat you?