00:20:37.580What they were trying to arrest was Somali migrants, right?
00:20:42.220Like, this was even specifically the migrant group that's running all these frauds.
00:20:46.340Like, this is the migrant group that, like, pretty much everyone else in the United States,
00:20:50.540all the other, like, I think that's what Trump needs to run on.
00:20:53.020Like, forget the Latin American migrants.
00:20:54.800You know, Latin American migrants don't want the Somalian migrants here.
00:20:57.380Like, no, the Somalian migrants are, like, a problem for everyone.
00:20:59.660I think that we are beginning to realize that we were a little spoiled.
00:21:04.480And when I say we, I've always said this, to be complaining about Latin American immigrants.
00:21:09.540Latin American immigrants are effing awesome compared to 98% of immigrants we could be getting flooded with.
00:21:18.480If you're looking at the Somalian immigrant situation, I don't think, like, we want Nigerian immigrants.
00:21:24.960We want Latin American immigrants, Polish immigrants, but Somalian immigrants, I don't know if there's anyone who's like, yeah, that's, that's great.
00:21:32.320Like, can we just say, like, that this one category of immigrants, I don't think anyone wants.
00:21:37.940Everyone's like, okay, but this specific.
00:21:43.700Seems to have created ethnic cartels around fraud, in autism, in daycares, in just everything, right?
00:21:51.400And it is a group that is clearly not called, in having multiple wives, in an episode we talked to recently, and then pretending like they're unmarried and so they can get all this welfare money.
00:22:01.320You know, and this is money that's not going to other people in our society who are genuinely in dire positions in their lives, right?
00:22:09.440Like, the people who suffer are suffering more because of a community that is acting in a way that is just completely deleterious to our social order and systems, right?
00:22:21.060So that's who she's attempting to protect.
00:22:24.220But that, that when ICE attempts to enforce the law, when people are doing their job attempting to enforce the law, and there can be instances in which, and as I've said this before, where it makes sense to, like, if the laws are just, like, wildly unjust, to get in the way of the law being carried out, right?
00:22:40.960Like, there are systems where things can just become so unjust, but I always get very annoyed when people are like, it never makes sense to take the law into your own hands.
00:22:48.920And I'm like, so if your country went, like, full death camps and everything like that, you would do nothing.
00:22:54.000You'd be like, I'm a guard at the camp.
00:22:58.040Well, yeah, and that's certainly how people feel about the ICE arrests.
00:23:04.000Right, but it is, and, and the, the reason they're able to feel this, and we've talked about this in other episodes, is if you look at, like, what Antifa says or what the left says, when they call over 50% of the voting public, because that's who voted for Trump, Nazis, which they will say.
00:23:18.020Anyone who votes for Trump still stays a Nazi, they are attempting to dehumanize them so that they can carry out these acts without actually thinking about the political positions at play here, like, the wider systems of power, people being hurt, or anything like that as a result of all of this.
00:23:32.020Which is, again, the, the most poor and vulnerable in our country that are hurt by just endless migrants that specifically are specializing in fraud, right?
00:23:43.120But the point here being is, when they say that this could happen to anyone, they're, they, they assume that everyone sees the police the way they do, that everyone sees ICE the way they do, and that everyone has lived with their level of privilege throughout their life, that they genuinely hold no respect for these organizations.
00:24:01.220And you see this in, like, the, you know, defund the police and everything like that, where when you go to black neighborhoods, they're like, no, we want, like, more police.
00:24:09.140Like, what are you talking about? Like, you see this in the surveys pretty clearly.
00:24:12.220This is a white-run movement, and it's because they and their neighborhoods do not need police.
00:24:18.360Police are just, like, this othering thing to them, right, that are just, like, a weird outside, not part of their daily life.
00:24:25.560So I think that all of that's really important. But now I want to talk a little bit about our life, because I find it weird that, like, we don't know anything.
00:24:42.460It's unusual. It means that something, either she was being abusive or substance abuse issues, or it is incredibly rare for a woman to not get any custody.
00:24:52.400Yeah, or she voluntarily gave up custody, which is also unusual. But yeah, that's, it is notable that that is the case.
00:25:00.400Yeah. So then she remarries to another guy who was in the Air Force and died while serving, I believe, or died due to something else. Anyway, he died. He did another divorce.
00:25:09.960And then she remarried who she's married to now, which was another woman. But what's actually uniquely effed up is, so the kid that she had was Air Force guy, right? The one who's sick?
00:25:22.580Right. So that kid is not going to live with the woman she was married to, his other mom. He's going to live with the paternal grandparents.
00:25:34.980Or the maternal grandparents, I guess.
00:25:36.300Well, no, I mean, for the best or not for the best. I think what it shows is she was in a relationship with somebody who did not consider themselves the mother to her kid. Right? Like, that is...
00:25:50.400Well, yeah. If I remarried somebody, like, suppose you died and I remarried somebody.
00:25:58.160Well, there's a variety of reasons why this may have been the case. I mean, one is they probably are the more financially stable party. Also, like, boomers famously have way more money than the younger generations now.
00:26:10.720It could also be that the new wife just never formally adopted this child, didn't want to formally adopt this child. And if this woman, who probably didn't expect to die, she was 37 years old, didn't have a will or any sort of trust documents, then I think it would make sense.
00:26:32.900If she didn't have a will, the child would have gone to her spouse.
00:26:38.480No, if you don't have a will, the child goes to your spouse. Like, that's weird. Like, that is... I think that you're right, that it shows that she chose to get in a relationship with somebody who didn't fully want to adopt the role of parent to her kid.
00:26:54.300And I remember this when my parents were divorced, is my mom made it very, very clear to me that the number one criteria when she was dating was to find a good father for us.
00:27:05.760Like, that is what she considered first and foremost. And I always assumed that that is the most important thing if you have kids when you're dating.
00:27:13.760If you or I was to die, I'm sure you feel this way. I certainly feel this way.
00:27:19.900The number one criteria I would be looking for in a new wife is somebody who would be a good mom to the kids and was excited about being a good mom to the kids.
00:27:28.240There would be almost nothing else on my mind. And so, you know, she was in a community and culture where that wasn't the way that they viewed it.
00:27:36.240And I think that this is actually normal on the extreme left, right?
00:27:40.000The other thing about her that I think is really important is she was not an extremist from everything I can find.
00:27:46.440She was just a normal leftist, which is, I think, she was a full-time poet. That's pretty unusual.
00:27:55.160I think that you'd be surprised by how many leftists don't have jobs.
00:27:58.320I mean, I mean, no one has jobs anymore.
00:28:01.160No, you know, that's especially for women. So many women live off the system, but it's, it's, it's, it's a very common thing these days.
00:28:09.520And it's something that you sort of need to do if you're going to be this type of full-time professional protester.
00:28:13.960And so I, one, I want to look at like, obviously this is a tragedy and everything like that.
00:28:18.960I'm not discounting that. And I do, I personally, now this is a second question.
00:28:24.020Do I personally think that police or officers should have the ability to shoot down somebody who's fleeing a scene?
00:28:32.280Now, note here, I'm not even saying if they put the officer's life at risk, which she may have, I'm just saying broadly, should they?
00:28:37.540That is not the law right now, but I think it should be. Frankly, I, I do not like this idea.
00:28:42.640If a police officer tells you to stop and you can clearly hear them and you are still running, I think, I don't, I don't see where you get a bunch of negative externalities by saying, okay, at that point, the police officer can shoot.
00:28:54.920Because, and somebody was like, well, what? Like you, you would condone lethal force for that?
00:29:02.800And it's like, yes, why would I condone lethal force for that? Right?
00:29:07.220Because if as a society, we broadly know that police officers could shoot you from fleeing the scene of a crime, like running away when they have told you to stop.
00:29:14.420And you know that everyone in society knows that, like that's something you would know pretty quickly in a society and you still logically decide it's worth it.
00:29:24.260That means that you are an active threat to society because whatever you have done, whatever your fear of having that police officer catch you is, it is so big that you think it's worth dying over, which means it's probably worth killing over or something else that extreme.
00:29:40.620Right. And in a society like that, um, I think that you, you, you have a, into a lot of these burglary, like we've talked about in New York, where it's the same burglary over and over and over again.
00:29:49.880Yeah. Yeah. It's very small percentage of people who also it's, it's, you're teaching people as, as you're pointing out, basically a new system hack.
00:29:58.420To not be afraid of police, to not be afraid of.
00:30:00.520Oh, like if you don't want to get arrested, just drive away. There's, they can't do anything.
00:30:06.200Just like, well, I'll shoplift and get arrested, but they're just going to let me go again. So I'll just keep doing it.
00:30:12.940And that is a problem. And that's, that goes back to this recurring theme now, which just seems to be trending about broken systems being abused by people who are willing to abuse them.
00:30:23.080And we're all trying to figure out what to do about that.
00:30:25.360Well, I mean, here's, here's a broken system. You should not be able to stop, as, as we said, she would stalk ICE officers throughout the day and harass them and try to make their job harder.
00:30:34.840If that is what you are doing was your days to somebody trying to carry out the law in a country, right?
00:30:41.080Yeah. If you're actively, well, isn't there, I'm pretty sure that legally you're not allowed to harass people.
00:30:49.400Well, I mean, what they do is, and they've got teams of lawyers to figure this out for them as they take it exactly as far as they legally can.
00:30:57.100And this is the problem, right? The fact, in the same way that we normalized running away from convenience stores, and eventually that's going to end in people getting shot, right?
00:31:07.520We normalized making your day job harassing, you know, law enforcement officers, right?
00:31:13.960Like, that is something that we never should have normalized as society.
00:31:17.420And that is something that, as an administration, I think they need to be, personally, I'd be just way more aggressive about.
00:31:24.060If I was a Republican lawmaker right now, like if you had one and I was giving you advice, I would pass bills to make it so that there are very serious jail time for people who are harassing law enforcement officers.
00:31:36.040I think it's kind of like that, that this, that is how these things often end up.
00:31:40.780And I think whoever's astroturfing, supporting whatever, what this is on the left is not taking into account, unless they're actively trying to do harm to the very people that they're engaging with.
00:31:56.340When these systems get pushed too far, what ends up happening is so much worse than the thing being protested at present.
00:32:14.300Because things could get pushed to that.
00:32:17.620And that's what I'm concerned about, too.
00:32:19.540That would actually be a good episode, if you want, the luxury prisons of El Salvador.
00:32:23.500Because the prison system is actually really nice and well sought through, even though it's painful.
00:32:27.060There seems to be a bifurcation, and I do want to look into it more, because I've watched long YouTube videos that are tours of the El Salvadorian prisons that are just amazing.
00:32:42.820And I think setting people up for success after they are released.
00:32:47.560And yet, I don't know, in mainstream media, and this could just be due to bias, I hear these stories about people packed in, like, sardines and terrible conditions and all these other horrible things.
00:32:57.120So I would like to look into that a little more.
00:32:58.820But the broader thing is, similarly with what you see in other environmental scenarios, when things grow unchecked for too long, the correction is very violent.
00:33:12.160When corrections are smaller and more regular, they are less violent.
00:33:18.060You see this with earthquakes, for example.
00:33:20.640If you have a lot of, you know, small earthquakes with a transverse fault or any other kind of fault, you're going to have smaller earthquakes and less damage done.
00:33:29.580If a lot of kinetic pressure is built up over a long period of time, you're going to get a huge earthquake.
00:33:35.900Same with a population of a bacteria or swamp moss or some animal growing in an environment without any check.
00:33:47.120An invasive species will say it will grow and grow and grow, and you'll get what's called a J-curve in its population.
00:33:52.500And then suddenly it will crash when it reaches critical mass and just has this massive dieout because the environment can no longer support it.
00:33:58.680Just from a general how things work perspective, this getting too extreme without being corrected, without being subject to checks, is going to lead to very, very violent corrections.
00:34:11.040So it's similar with economic market bubbles, right?
00:34:13.220When they go out of control, the correction is equally painful.
00:34:17.200I worry about this because we are entering a very strange period in which people seem to think that these really extreme actions are justified and allowed to be performed with impunity.
00:34:33.140But keep in mind, this isn't the same state where we have the Somali daycare fraud and we have Tim Walls, who famously didn't bring in the National Guard to stop out-of-control protests.
00:34:45.120So this isn't exactly new, but it's worrying.
00:34:51.460Well, I think what you say here when you talk about the – it's my parable of the scorpion and the snake, and I told this to a German reporter.
00:34:59.800And the parable of the scorpion and the snake goes like this.
00:35:02.580I am an American looking at Germany right now.
00:35:04.900And in Germany, there is a panda bear and a scorpion and a snake, okay?
00:35:08.440And the scorpion and the snake are the Islamists and the white nationalists, okay?
00:35:16.640Like the people who are like neo-Nazis in Germany and the Islamists in Germany, right?
00:36:05.520And I'm like, and that portion is having way fewer kids than the ones who want to violently extradite the Muslim population.
00:36:12.520And they're like, yes, that is also true.
00:36:14.360And I'm like, so you're a bit, we have this situation where the Scorpion or the neo-Nazis is saying, I want to deport all of these Muslims because if you leave us alone here with them, you know, we've done it in the past.
00:36:29.200One of us is going to massacre the other group.
00:36:31.580And the Muslims are like, oh, yeah, I plan to massacre this group.
00:36:33.880Like, we will enforce a real law on them, right?
00:36:35.640And then in the middle, you have a panda bear that's like, no, no, no, no, no, I can stop this.
00:36:40.840Meanwhile, the panda bear is bringing over more Scorpions, right?
00:36:43.940To the same level as the number of snakes, right?
00:36:47.080And I'm like, but panda bear, you're constantly being stung and bitten.
00:36:51.020Like, you're not going to be here forever.
00:37:20.680It is the snake that is proposing the least ideologically crazy thing right now, the least violent thing right now.
00:37:27.420Because they stop the bloodshed when the panda dies if we take care of this while panda is still here.
00:37:33.380But if the panda is gone and we allow the snakes to take care of this on their own, it is not going to be a pretty stung.
00:37:39.760Because the snakes only want to deport them because killing them is politically unfavorable right now.
00:37:46.000And you know that, and I know that, right?
00:37:49.400And I think that in the United States, we have to be realistic about this too.
00:37:52.560If there are groups coming in, and the people that are still having kids are eventually going to be at a point where we're just like, we don't want these groups in our country, right?
00:38:00.160Like, the nicest way to handle this is to prevent them from immigrating in the first place.
00:38:05.840And you do that through strict immigration enforcement and just making it unpalatable to immigrate here.
00:38:10.720You make it extremely palatable to immigrate here if you make it very easy to set up family-based scams, which they've done in Minnesota for Somali migrants, right?
00:38:19.220So I think that in a big way, as I've said, you know, it's a bit like somebody keeps letting homeless people in your house.
00:38:25.820Like, your roommate is like, well, you know, when it was my turn, because you share.
00:38:29.440One of you takes house management for a year, the other one takes house management the next year.
00:38:33.200And one year, they just keep letting in homeless people.
00:38:35.480And you're like, buddy, I'm going to have to kick all these homeless people out.
00:39:34.680And they're like, you know, I just realized I don't, like I've never really, like just a moment of introspection, I've never really cared what the long-term consequences of a policy are.
00:39:42.020I care about what the policy consequences are today, right?
00:39:45.300And I think that that is downstream of a lot of leftist morality, ideology, and sort of metaphysical frameworks.
00:39:51.640So the terrible thing being normalized here is thinking of, because when you think of law enforcement officers like they're a joke and the type of people that you can just drive away from in a way where you are turning into them while they're on their feet and you're in your car when they're trying to pull you over.
00:40:08.960That is behavior that was normalized in a mindset that was normalized because of the ways that protesters have been treating ICE agents, which we never should have normalized.
00:40:29.080I just wonder if this woman who, I guess botched to martyr, could go and see the coverage of her death and the response to her death, would she still be loyal to her movement?
00:40:46.880Yes, because I think that she too would see white women as inherently worth less than other groups and to feel uncomfortable was a white woman being seen as a martyr was in the movement.
00:41:00.940They are constant, keep in mind, they are used to, whenever they get in one of their struggle groups or something like that, sublimating their own needs to whoever is winning that particular Olympics hierarchy.
00:41:10.900You know, that particular, you know, so she's used to having to hold space for lesbian black women or whatever.
00:41:16.260Okay. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. I just, I, I just felt so bad for her when I saw that, like, even her own side is like, I don't, I feel, but I guess, yeah, she would, she would be that woman if she were still alive and with someone else, I guess.
00:41:32.920She would be saying that, I guess, per, per the, the average response of the people within this, this culture. And that's very sad.
00:41:40.980It is sad. And I'm, I, I mean, I am increasingly glad that as, as this sort of timeline has gone on, if people know, when we started this channel, we were entirely apolitical.
00:41:52.860When we started the movement, if anything, we, we leaned leftist, right? And that was not that long ago, right? And when we started the, the pronatalist movement, like this was like around COVID, we were, we were very centrist.
00:42:05.360We do a spicy take here and there, but we were centrist, right? On the leftist side of things. And we have moved more and more to the right. And fairly early on, we took this position where, you know, we're just like, you know what, we're going to start identifying as Trump supporters, as MAGA, as, you know, and we are going to try to stand this ideology. Right.
00:42:26.040And, and I do, we just, I mean, it was what aligned more with what we saw to be reasonable.
00:42:31.860Right. Right. But I was like, we chose a side. Right. And early on, you, you've got to understand if you're coming from an environmental cultural background, which both of us are, if you're coming from like via taxi, I felt very uncomfortable because so often in my life, political movements have gone out and done crazy or evil things. Right.
00:42:49.720Like I, you know, you, you, you couldn't really like growing up, if you wanted to like fully stand the conservative side or the leftist side, each one would do stupid things all the time. Right. And you'd be like, oh, like, do I really need to be defending this a-hole right now? You know?
00:43:06.460And there have been very few instances where I have felt that way after we made the decision, like the rights who were going to back. I felt like, for example, if they had gone like anti-IVF, like Trump administration could have had, I would feel like, well, I, I really made a mistake. Right. Like that, that is directly against my interests and I am disappointed.
00:43:26.360And I need to be like, I, I severely disagree with them. Or if they hadn't taken the immigration issue seriously, or if they, you know, there's, there's so many things, but, but I just haven't, you know, seen those, even something like the shooting. It's like, I understand it in context. Right. Like I, frankly, I'm not like mortified. And that's the way a lot of people are on the right. They're like, what was she thinking? Like that everybody knew that this is the type of thing that can get you killed.
00:43:50.840Was it, was it legal? Was it right? All of those things, you know, but in the moment, do I understand how something like this could happen and how an officer could make a decision like that? Yeah, of course. Now, the reason why I say that is it's just, it's so weird and refreshing feeling to me is to just constantly be like, wow, I, I actually, because I thought I'd have to like swallow my, my position on a lot of things, you know, and I just haven't seen it. You know, I haven't seen.
00:44:16.780You have no obligation to be loyal to any particular side.
00:44:21.560Well, no, but you have an obligation to, when you support a movement to take responsibility, that movement acts in a way that you think is deleterious to society. Because if we had told, you know, we take a side and we're arguing and acting as, you know, sort of reporters with, you know, that bias. Right. And then that side wins and they do bad things. You know, you're partially responsible for that.
00:44:45.260I always hate when people are like, well, you know, I don't always need to, you know, if he goes out and does something stupid tomorrow, I'm going to call him stupid. And I'm like, but if you told your followers to vote for him, then you're in part responsible for the stupid thing he does tomorrow.
00:44:58.600But like the Maduro thing, that was so effing cool. I was like, how do we handle this situation in Venezuela in a way that that's, and I think that they're handling it really appropriately and maturely, which is not something I expect. I'm like, this is, this is good. Watch our video on that. If you want to, if you want to get a full breakdown on ourselves on that.
00:45:14.680And love you, Simone. I love that now there is a conspiracy that we are a family of dark magic wielding vampires. That is everything I ever wanted from life.
00:45:27.680I love that man so much. I love people who are like, Malcolm, you're going to be mad about this. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
00:45:33.080So that is because, and I think one of the commenters pointed it out really well when they were trying to explain why he was saying that stuff about.
00:45:40.440Why Kurt Metzger had crazy conspiracy theories about you on the Joe Rogan podcast last week.
00:45:45.460Yeah. Why, why, why he did number one podcast in the world is they said, this guy is fundamentally a leftist who has infiltrated right-wing spaces.
00:45:54.740And he is trying to undermine the right-wing coalition because I put it out. I'm like, why is he attacking me for not being the right kind of Christian when he's not a Christian?
00:46:05.320Right. Like when he's like, oh, their Christianity is weird. And, and, and people are like, oh, he's doing that because he doesn't like that on the right now we are seeing an alliance of Mormons and Orthodox Jews and weird religious people like us.
00:46:21.580And we're all just like, yeah, I don't care that they're different from us. You know, you know, like we have, we have differences and we'll argue about them and we'll debate them and we'll make jokes at each other.
00:46:30.360But the jokes are more like the jokes that like a diverse friend group would make, like the racist jokes you make when you're hanging out with your like group that's like got the black guy and the Asian guy and everything like that.
00:46:39.480And everyone's always being racist. They, they are not like the, the, the, he's, he's trying to drive that wedge in people's minds. And unfortunately I think it's pretty unsuccessful and it just makes us look cooler.
00:46:52.480It's pretty cool. I'm not going to disagree with you. I was entertained. I hope everyone else was too.
00:47:00.360But not even being, you know, he doesn't even call us any type of vampires. Like we're not like lame vampires, like Twilight vampires. We are dark shadows.
00:47:07.480Don't you ever insult sparkles? Sparkles are wonderful.
00:47:11.280Dark shadows vampires are the, because, because if you're familiar with the dark shadows, you know, they didn't actually do anything wrong.
00:47:18.360Like they didn't like create an alliance with the devil or anything like that.
00:47:21.240They were cursed by somebody who was evil or witch, like a dark magic practitioner.
00:47:26.400And that's where they come from. And they are like the main one is a really like studious family guy. Right.
00:47:33.160And that's the one who the Collins one, right. You know, that's who we're accused of being.
00:47:36.220I'm like, okay, good, good. That's the, the family man, vampire.