Based Camp - Incels Are Importing More Women Than You Think： With David Lorenzo

00:00:00.440 Hello, this is Malcolm and Simone here with a guest, David Lorento, who's a demographer

00:00:07.260 from Sweden, and he's coming to us with some interesting theories he pulled up a lot of

00:00:11.920 data on to just give like a brief summary of what we're going to be getting into on

00:00:15.900 this episode.

00:00:16.660 We're going to look at how the incel crisis in Europe and potentially the United States

00:00:22.300 drove mass female immigration into the Western world. 0.99

00:00:26.060 We're going to look at crashing birth rates in the second generation of immigrants in 1.00

00:00:31.180 Northern Europe, and we're going to be looking at other surprising demographic facts that

00:00:37.260 could be driven by current trends.

00:00:39.820 Thank you.

00:00:40.120 I appreciate that.

00:00:40.860 The research, when I got into it, I was originally researching mass immigration from the Muslim

00:00:46.440 world.

00:00:47.540 And what Sweden does really well is that it has detailed data from every country, and

00:00:53.500 it also lets you divide it based on gender and age.

00:00:57.700 So what I realized when I looked at the total numbers was that it was very gender balanced

00:01:02.020 migration into Sweden.

00:01:03.740 But what you saw in the media was overwhelmingly male migration from the Middle East and Africa.

00:01:09.240 So there was a very big discrepancy between the portrayal in the media and what the data

00:01:14.480 was showing.

00:01:14.900 And I later discovered the answer when I started looking through each country individually and

00:01:23.380 saw that some countries you receive a lot of male immigration from, and some you receive

00:01:27.960 a lot of female migration from.

00:01:30.420 And the female migration was so vast that it resulted in the total migration being gender 0.98

00:01:36.460 balanced.

00:01:38.240 Wow.

00:01:39.100 So where are we seeing female immigration from? 1.00

00:01:41.580 So to visualize the data in a simplified manner, this is the immigration to Sweden, and the

00:01:48.280 red is where it's majority female from, and the blue is majority male from.

00:01:55.100 And all the beige, there's a few beige countries.

00:01:57.320 That's where it's so gender balanced.

00:01:59.520 Wow.

00:02:00.660 And what you can see is that you can generalize entire regions of the world.

00:02:05.800 So as you expect, you can see that Northern Africa, the Middle East, and the Indian subcontinent

00:02:13.760 is overwhelmingly male.

00:02:15.300 You can also see that Western Europe, you receive majority male migrants from.

00:02:20.540 And then you receive from Eastern Europe, majority female, East Asia, Southeast Asia, the sovereign

00:02:26.380 half of Africa, and also in general, Latin America.

00:02:29.260 That's where you receive mass immigration of women from. 1.00

00:02:33.660 And it's primarily marriage migration.

00:02:36.980 Oh, oh.

00:02:38.400 Because, okay, okay.

00:02:39.880 But the yes, okay.

00:02:41.640 That makes a lot of sense.

00:02:42.720 That explains so much.

00:02:43.580 I was like, why?

00:02:44.440 So let's talk about like a thesis for how this would happen.

00:02:46.660 No one wants to marry American women in Sweden.

00:02:48.800 Well, no, it's-

00:02:49.860 Well, no, but when you look at women in Sweden, I'm so sorry. 1.00

00:02:52.540 I'm so sorry, America.

00:02:53.280 No, but look at what these countries-

00:02:54.840 I have a Californian mom, so-

00:02:56.540 So what you see in these countries is that these are the most anti-woke and conservative

00:03:01.220 countries with people who pass as white.

00:03:04.840 Specifically, we're looking at-

00:03:05.720 So arbitrage, major arbitrage.

00:03:07.300 Major arbitrage.

00:03:08.360 So within some of the woker countries like Sweden, and I wouldn't be surprised if we saw 1.00

00:03:13.020 this in other European countries, where the native women are removing themselves from 1.00

00:03:16.940 the marriage market, which is what we've seen with the rise of inceldom.

00:03:20.220 And we've talked a lot about the dynamics of this.

00:03:22.200 One of the core things that happens is women begin to value their marriage marketplace value 0.70

00:03:27.620 as equivalent to their sexual marketplace value, which causes them to highly misjudge

00:03:32.180 the quality of guy they can get and not enter the serious marriage market until-

00:03:37.120 And they also don't realize how quickly their value degrades after 30.

00:03:40.480 So they-

00:03:41.680 And no, I'm not talking about this in like an objective, like I'm putting a price on women 1.00

00:03:46.440 or something like that.

00:03:47.400 What I'm talking about here is in the way that everything has a value to someone else.

00:03:54.740 What I pay for a fish might be different from what somebody else pays for a fish, but it

00:03:57.940 has an average value.

00:03:59.400 And if you misjudge your value or I misjudge like what this house will sell for, and I

00:04:04.900 put it on the market at a stupidly high price, nobody's going to buy it.

00:04:09.340 Especially if I get all full of myself and I say, I won't on principle sell it for less 0.97

00:04:14.300 than this price.

00:04:15.080 I'm definitely going to get no one to buy it.

00:04:16.760 But women in Latin America and Russia and Ukraine aren't going to feel that way. 1.00

00:04:21.040 Continue.

00:04:22.560 Right.

00:04:23.140 So there are some serious-

00:04:24.940 The reason that there's so many marriage-

00:04:27.140 Such large levels of marriage migration coming into Sweden is because of imbalances in the

00:04:31.880 dating market.

00:04:32.860 There is a lot of men who are in sales, and instead of being idle and giving up, they are

00:04:39.540 traveling abroad.

00:04:40.680 They are going on dating online services.

00:04:43.680 And the largest countries when it comes to marriage migration is Southeast Asia, like

00:04:49.500 Thailand, Brazil, or like Russia.

00:04:53.640 And you notice that these are countries that are relatively stable, middle income, not the

00:04:59.380 third world necessarily.

00:05:00.280 And it also tends to be popular tourist destinations such as Thailand.

00:05:04.560 Like 80% of all immigration and Sweden guests from Thailand is women.

00:05:10.740 Fascinating.

00:05:11.280 Well, Thailand is also known as a passport bro country. 0.82

00:05:13.480 That's the other category of countries I'm seeing as passport bro countries.

00:05:16.280 If I were a leader in this country, would I create old-fashioned feminine finishing schools? 1.00

00:05:23.300 Should I try to get remittances out of this?

00:05:25.240 Like where-

00:05:26.140 It's such a weird thing.

00:05:27.440 But like, can this be beneficial to the countries?

00:05:29.840 I assume there's remittances coming out of it.

00:05:31.360 Because I'm assuming-

00:05:32.340 No, I mean, my primary concern would be that this is damaging to the countries because it's

00:05:37.500 causing a gender imbalance, which is going to exacerbate their own demographic collapse

00:05:40.860 issues.

00:05:41.260 Unless they are in turn importing women from some other place.

00:05:45.020 So I would really worry about that.

00:05:46.660 But if there's some way to make it a remittances gain, you could maybe make up for that.

00:05:50.880 I don't know.

00:05:51.960 So marriage migration overwhelmingly benefits Western countries when it comes to boosting

00:05:57.420 their birth rates.

00:05:59.220 They also, the women don't tend to do a lot of crime and they tend to assimilate very well 1.00

00:06:04.340 because you have a person inside the household who is actively working all the time with integrating

00:06:10.560 that woman. 1.00

00:06:11.820 Right.

00:06:12.540 Yeah.

00:06:12.800 So it's not even the government that is doing the integration.

00:06:16.400 The reason that the integration works is because there is a man inside the house taking his

00:06:20.640 personal time to integrate an individual.

00:06:24.700 So this marriage migration, very little of it is happening in countries like India and China.

00:06:31.060 China and it tends to be these middle income countries like Brazil, Thailand, Russia that

00:06:38.680 are on the losing end of this trade, that they are losing women and it's a net negative for

00:06:44.500 them.

00:06:45.040 But it's in general a net positive for the Western countries.

00:06:49.240 And it is having some serious demographic transformations in Europe and in the US as well.

00:06:57.020 So if we were, I did not only research Sweden for the Institute of World Politics, I researched

00:07:04.660 four countries.

00:07:06.000 So the next country.

00:07:07.100 Well, it makes a lot of sense with the concept of one, what passport bros are looking for.

00:07:13.240 And I think what we're seeing in this data is that passport bros are having a bigger impact

00:07:17.960 on immigration trends and replacing.

00:07:21.760 I mean, the white Western woman is being replaced, like they have opted out of the genetic marketplace. 0.99

00:07:27.840 Yes.

00:07:28.100 Yeah.

00:07:28.280 Well, and quite mindfully, it's not as though like they're being passed up, you know, oh,

00:07:32.260 I'm so sad.

00:07:32.960 All the men are rejecting me.

00:07:34.060 They're choosing to live alone.

00:07:35.400 It's not like these men are, you know, I wouldn't say, I mean, what happens, so you have

00:07:40.920 the, the marriage migration is largely fueled by a massive surplus of men.

00:07:47.140 So there are four factors that are leading to these massive, that there are way more men

00:07:52.280 who are single.

00:07:53.780 Yeah.

00:07:54.000 And also in the, these other countries as well.

00:07:56.520 So there's four factors that I really broke it down to.

00:08:00.140 Okay.

00:08:01.160 And it's not just in Sweden.

00:08:02.660 It's there are more men in Sweden than women.

00:08:04.500 You're saying way more.

00:08:06.160 Well, of course.

00:08:07.400 Oh, continue.

00:08:08.080 So if you were to just look at everyone between age zero and 65 and exclude all of those pensioners, 0.56

00:08:18.240 then you see that there is about 220,000 more men than women in Sweden.

00:08:25.640 And it becomes even more extreme in their twenties and early thirties.

00:08:30.840 Oh, okay.

00:08:31.480 Cause I'm looking at aggregate and it's, there's only a slight.

00:08:34.560 Yeah.

00:08:35.480 But when you exclude all of the people above 65, you see there's a, you know, 0.99

00:08:40.360 Oh, because then, yeah, the survivorship problem.

00:08:42.720 So exactly.

00:08:43.700 Oh, okay.

00:08:44.920 Yeah.

00:08:45.160 So if there's a little bit of a deficit, if you exclude everyone above 65, what's the percent

00:08:52.420 men, women? 0.99

00:08:53.260 So there's about 4%, 5% more men than women.

00:08:57.980 And that, that, that means that there's about 220,000 of them more.

00:09:01.740 What created that?

00:09:02.420 Naturally, more boys are born than women every single year. 0.98

00:09:06.900 It's not 50, 50.

00:09:08.180 It's around 51 and a half percent of all births are boys.

00:09:11.700 48 and a half percent of all births are women.

00:09:14.920 So my guess would be, yeah, that doesn't explain it.

00:09:17.880 You think it's a genetic thing?

00:09:19.360 I think it has.

00:09:20.020 Yeah.

00:09:20.320 Yeah.

00:09:20.420 It's a genetic thing that males sperm swim faster.

00:09:23.640 No, no, no, no.

00:09:24.180 This is true, but this wouldn't explain this difference.

00:09:26.520 It wouldn't explain it.

00:09:27.260 It's one of four factors.

00:09:28.860 Okay.

00:09:29.080 What are the other?

00:09:29.480 The other factor is that you have a gender segregated economy that women prefer to do 1.00

00:09:35.820 jobs that are, has to do with other people.

00:09:38.960 And that tends to be concentrated in the cities.

00:09:41.600 Okay.

00:09:42.080 And men, it tends to prefer job that has to do with things such as construction, farming,

00:09:49.820 engineering.

00:09:50.460 And that is usually what the job market in the countryside looks like.

00:09:54.680 So when you look at where the marriage migration is going to, it's, it's overwhelmingly to the

00:09:59.480 countryside.

00:09:59.880 That's the biggest form of immigration to the countryside.

00:10:03.020 Right.

00:10:03.440 It's bigger than labor.

00:10:05.000 Any impact on the overall male, female demographics of Sweden?

00:10:08.920 It is.

00:10:09.840 It's so numerous that it is having an effect.

00:10:12.920 No, no, no.

00:10:13.220 But I mean, it's mathematically can't unless they're leaving the country.

00:10:17.080 Are you saying they're leaving the country for other cities?

00:10:19.860 Yeah.

00:10:20.040 Yeah.

00:10:20.220 A lot of women are leaving the countryside to move to the cities. 0.97

00:10:23.960 But the cities are still in Sweden.

00:10:26.360 Yes.

00:10:26.640 Well, so then it wouldn't affect the four to 5% difference.

00:10:30.080 So what are the other factors?

00:10:31.960 The other factors?

00:10:33.140 Oh, yeah.

00:10:33.520 That specific factor has to do with men just not dying.

00:10:38.800 You know?

00:10:39.680 Oh, historically.

00:10:41.280 Yeah.

00:10:41.540 Yeah.

00:10:42.160 Historically, men tended to die because of the occupation or because of war or something

00:10:47.440 else that they just lived shorter lives.

00:10:49.660 But since we've had peace for so long, for almost a century, you have a male surplus. 0.85

00:10:54.020 It's very small every year, but it accumulates over generations.

00:10:58.440 It couldn't increase the initial 1% surplus.

00:11:01.040 What's the next thesis?

00:11:03.040 The next thesis is the political divide so that, you know, men are overwhelmingly center 0.52

00:11:08.780 right.

00:11:09.320 Women are overwhelmingly center left. 1.00

00:11:11.840 And since Christianity is now taking a back seat in terms of priority for marriage, what's

00:11:18.000 take precedence is political values.

00:11:19.820 And it has become very hard for right-wing men to find right-wing women to pair bond

00:11:25.340 with and vice versa for left-wing women to pair bond with left-wing men. 1.00

00:11:31.120 Yeah.

00:11:31.280 I agree with this, but this is only going to create a functional problem in the dating

00:11:34.140 market, not make women disappear from the country. 1.00

00:11:36.260 So here's my thesis.

00:11:37.380 Because one of these is clear.

00:11:38.640 It's just the, because of these imbalances with finding difficulties and finding a partner,

00:11:45.700 you're then-

00:11:46.640 I agree, but we're dealing with a separate mystery here.

00:11:50.200 The separate mystery is Sweden has a four to 5% additional male population.

00:11:56.440 Men are born at 1% more than women. 0.80

00:11:59.120 You would need something causing women to leave the country. 1.00

00:12:02.020 You would need either them moving to cities outside the country, which it doesn't appear

00:12:05.520 is happening.

00:12:06.380 You would need, so here is my guess of what's causing the imbalance.

00:12:10.040 What's causing the imbalance is a mirage caused by changing immigration patterns.

00:12:14.440 I would guess in the last generation of immigration, it was mostly workers from these like Middle 1.00

00:12:19.520 Eastern countries and stuff.

00:12:20.820 And that bolstered the male population because we already know that they were disproportionately

00:12:24.700 male.

00:12:25.320 And so the functional problem we have right now is not a literally there aren't enough women. 1.00

00:12:31.120 It's that nobody who is a male in one of these countries wants to marry one of these women 1.00

00:12:35.860 who are in this country due to political reasons, due to failures of the dating market, as I was

00:12:39.740 talking about earlier, which is actually a more interesting problem, I think.

00:12:43.360 And that it also would imply that this trend of passport bros actually in mass, enough to affect

00:12:49.700 statistics, enough to cancel how all like Muslim immigration is exploded very, very recently.

00:12:59.060 And I would believe that given what I have seen in our own social circles, in the right

00:13:03.640 wing influencer space in the US, like a ton of the men have girlfriends and wives that they

00:13:09.080 got from Latin America.

00:13:10.480 Yes.

00:13:11.500 So in the US, I tried to find immigration divided by country and then divided by sex, gender.

00:13:20.960 Okay.

00:13:21.580 And I could not find it in the US, unfortunately.

00:13:23.740 But what I think is happening in the US is that you're basically receiving the illegal immigration,

00:13:28.940 the labor immigration, and the mass marriage migration all from the same countries, which

00:13:33.900 is Latin American countries.

00:13:36.260 In Europe, it's more easily traceable because it's all so categorically from different countries.

00:13:43.300 Yeah.

00:13:43.460 So from Thailand, you basically don't receive any labor or any illegal immigration.

00:13:48.760 So when it says 80% women, it's obviously due to marriage, due to tourism, to those countries,

00:13:54.160 they met someone, and then they brought them back home.

00:13:57.120 And when it comes to Russia, yeah, you receive a little bit of labor from there.

00:14:01.500 But when it says 67% women, you can conclude that, yeah, a lot of it has to do with dating 0.78

00:14:08.380 services and marriage migration as a result.

00:14:11.480 So in the US, you do have a large scale of marriage migration.

00:14:18.520 It's just that it's a lot harder to trace because it's all coming from the same countries. 0.99

00:14:23.180 All these different kinds are coming from Latin America, basically, and a couple of other

00:14:28.020 major countries.

00:14:29.200 Yeah.

00:14:29.340 Let's look at the next map you got here.

00:14:31.120 So this is the map of the US in the year 2000.

00:14:33.780 And you can see that in the Midwest, there's a lot more blue, which makes sense.

00:14:41.220 It's more rural.

00:14:42.260 It's less populated.

00:14:43.780 Men.

00:14:44.440 Men.

00:14:44.820 Men is blue. 0.69

00:14:45.860 Look at Alaska. 0.93

00:14:46.720 I mean, come on, Malcolm, guess.

00:14:48.140 Oh, yeah.

00:14:48.720 Alaska, the matriarchy. 1.00

00:14:50.180 Well, I wasn't sure if it was an immigration map.

00:14:51.760 And you can look at Nevada.

00:14:53.020 It's completely blue.

00:14:53.960 That means it's overwhelmingly male.

00:14:55.380 And that makes sense because these are less densely populated areas that have more agriculture,

00:15:04.160 more resource expression.

00:15:05.900 Why is Maine so female? 1.00

00:15:08.880 Right.

00:15:09.480 Why is Miami so female? 1.00

00:15:11.000 Like extra female? 0.96

00:15:12.180 That is.

00:15:12.600 But that's because they are major urban areas where there's a lot of services.

00:15:16.540 But not Maine.

00:15:18.360 Not Maine.

00:15:20.160 Maine's like the liberals of Alaska.

00:15:21.980 But also you have New Hampshire.

00:15:23.480 So it might be like more libertarian areas or more females. 1.00

00:15:26.920 I guess.

00:15:27.940 Also Maine and New Hampshire are both known as being very scenic.

00:15:31.620 And I noticed.

00:15:32.500 Oh, the lesbian's paradise. 1.00

00:15:34.140 Yes.

00:15:34.900 Anyway.

00:15:35.420 Okay.

00:15:35.800 Continue with the point you're making.

00:15:37.780 Now we go three years forward.

00:15:40.800 Okay.

00:15:41.260 Okay.

00:15:41.480 Now the gender balance is almost exactly the same. 0.71

00:15:44.660 So the gender ratio, almost exactly the same. 0.59

00:15:47.100 But you can see here that the amount of blue increased by a lot.

00:15:54.160 California is losing ground.

00:15:55.920 Yeah.

00:15:56.060 Oh, that's interesting.

00:15:58.120 And what's happened here is we have created a gender segregated economy. 1.00

00:16:03.340 Look at that.

00:16:04.260 Wow.

00:16:04.620 So women prefer to do jobs that are different from men. 0.95

00:16:10.620 And men prefer to do jobs that are different from women. 0.89

00:16:13.240 As a result, their migratory patterns are different.

00:16:18.220 Men, to a much greater extent, work and live in the countryside because that's where good jobs for men are.

00:16:25.900 Sure.

00:16:26.220 Such as agriculture, construction, oil industry, resource extraction, et cetera.

00:16:34.060 And in the cities, you have jobs that has to do with people.

00:16:39.180 You have health care.

00:16:40.640 You have public services.

00:16:42.500 You have education.

00:16:45.200 And you can argue that women are more dependent on social safety nets, both of the government and the families. 0.93

00:16:51.260 So they're more likely to, if they have children, or even if they just want to feel safer, live closer to parents.

00:16:56.740 This goes into the psychology, yes.

00:16:58.700 Yeah.

00:16:59.060 So women prefer to have a job that is safe to do while being pregnant. 1.00

00:17:03.820 Yeah.

00:17:04.080 Well, or if you have kids, you're going to want to be in an area that has daycare that's not like two hours away that the state pays for.

00:17:09.520 So that makes sense.

00:17:10.700 A night shift in a mine, not very safe or appealing for pregnant women. 1.00

00:17:17.600 I mean, depending on your style.

00:17:19.760 Sure.

00:17:19.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:20.720 But let's say a coal mine, right?

00:17:22.540 Yeah.

00:17:23.560 But so what you're pointing out here is that this is creating pressure for men to import women.

00:17:29.580 Yes.

00:17:29.760 That's the point of this.

00:17:31.120 Yes.

00:17:31.600 So the research in Sweden show that, for example, there was a paper called Thai immigrants in Sweden, victims or participants.

00:17:39.640 And it concluded that it was overwhelmingly to the countryside that they were going to.

00:17:44.560 And there was a paper that Kaiserbauer shared with me on Discord.

00:17:48.640 Nice.

00:17:49.040 When he was researching South Korea, that showed that 30% of South Korean farmers had a foreign wife.

00:17:57.560 Wow.

00:17:58.560 30%?

00:17:59.960 30%.

00:18:00.560 People who are watching this and are like, this phenomenon of passport bros actually marrying mail order brides or whatever you want to call them.

00:18:07.500 Is it that large?

00:18:08.960 I would ask yourself, do you live near an urban area?

00:18:12.200 Because if you do, then you are not in one of the regions that is experiencing this and you may not be aware of the scale of what is happening.

00:18:20.040 Yeah.

00:18:20.940 So I would not have discovered marriage migration if I lived in the U.S.

00:18:26.780 You know, my parents, one is American, one is Swedish.

00:18:29.300 They were debating whether for me to grow up in California or in Sweden.

00:18:34.820 If I grew up in the U.S., I would never have discovered this because of the quality of the data.

00:18:38.860 And also because by living in the countryside in Sweden where there's such a massive male abundance, you'd notice it firsthand.

00:18:49.460 Well, I noticed it in right-wing culture in the U.S., and this is something that progressives just refuse to see.

00:18:57.340 But in right-wing culture in the U.S., there is a large portion of right-wing men with either East Asian or Latin American wives.

00:19:06.160 One of the ones I think of, like, just off the top of my head, a person who's always accused, even though there's, like, no evidence of this, Johnny Anomaly.

00:19:12.400 I don't know if you know his work.

00:19:13.560 Johnny Anomaly must be racist or something.

00:19:15.960 And he's married to a Brazilian, right? 0.92

00:19:18.360 Yes.

00:19:18.620 Or the Colombian. 0.92

00:19:20.060 Colombian, I think.

00:19:20.860 I think she's Colombian. 0.99

00:19:21.340 Yeah, there's so many you can name.

00:19:23.540 You know, when you start thinking about marriage migration and then just count the number of people who have contributed to it on the right-wing, it's a long list, including Donald Trump.

00:19:34.040 It's a Colombian wife. 1.00

00:19:35.080 I know.

00:19:35.720 Exactly, Donald Trump, yeah, from one of these countries.

00:19:38.520 But it is disproportionately going to be on the right-wing as well.

00:19:41.740 Like, if you're like, I don't see this, are most of your friends right-wing?

00:19:44.980 And the reason is, is because there is two right-wing men for every one right-wing woman, and for every one left-wing man, there are two left-leaning women. 1.00

00:19:54.380 Which is why a lot of guys fake being left for strange.

00:19:58.320 Yeah, well, also because left-leaning women are really unwilling to even cross the aisle. 1.00

00:20:02.980 Yes, so left-leaning women are less likely to date across the aisle than right-leaning men are in the statistics. 0.80

00:20:09.260 Yes.

00:20:09.880 So due to all of these different factors, like gender-segregated economy, the political divide also dividing gender, and that there is a slightly male surplus now because we haven't had a mass male-killing event in a long time, and et cetera.

00:20:29.660 Do you have any more maps?

00:20:31.140 For example, let's go to Germany.

00:20:33.620 Okay.

00:20:33.980 So Sweden had data on every single country publicly available.

00:20:39.940 These other European countries did not.

00:20:41.580 They usually only had like the top 40 or the top 50.

00:20:45.240 Fortunately, with Germany, it also presented the continental data.

00:20:49.820 So that's why it's kind of like striped to the side.

00:20:52.220 That's when you use the continental data.

00:20:55.560 Yeah.

00:20:56.040 And here you can see that basically the same picture, that Africa, the Middle East, Indian subcontinent overwhelmingly male, Eastern Europe overwhelmingly female, Latin America overwhelmingly female, and also Southeast Asia is overwhelmingly female as well.

00:21:14.560 And one thing I've noticed for this, which is really bad for the host country, someone you're asking, like, when does this hurt?

00:21:20.040 China, which already has a female shortage in every one of these has been a net contributor of women, which is going to magnify the problem of a lot of men in China not being able to find spices. 0.99

00:21:31.640 Yeah.

00:21:31.740 And when you're constantly losing so many women, then a fertility rate of 2.1 will not be sufficient.

00:21:40.960 Yeah.

00:21:42.140 If you're constantly losing women, you're probably going to need a fertility rate of 2.2 or 2.3 to just have a stable population.

00:21:49.860 And I calculated that in Sweden, the number of women we're getting is so vast that we don't need a fertility rate of 2.1 to have a stable population. 0.99

00:21:59.320 In fact, it would be growing at a considerable rate at that point.

00:22:03.460 The stable fertility rate would be at 1.9.

00:22:07.700 1.9?

00:22:08.740 Wow, that's a shocking amount of immigration. 1.00

00:22:11.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:11.560 And all you need is somewhere between 5,000 and 10,000 women on net immigrating into the country each year. 1.00

00:22:17.500 That's it.

00:22:18.220 One of the things that you're pointing out, and we'll get to in a bit, but I think that this is important to note,

00:22:21.960 that is part of this phenomenon, is a crash in the immigrants' fertility rate after they immigrate that has increased recently.

00:22:30.700 In the same way that we've seen the Latin American fertility crash, it's one of the big changes that we're seeing now in fertility statistics,

00:22:36.400 is that a lot of these Muslim populations that we thought would stay high fertility are not staying high fertility.

00:22:41.580 And I suspect that a huge part of the problem for them is just not enough women,

00:22:46.660 because they really have to marry within their culture.

00:22:49.760 But they don't have to, but it's much harder to marry.

00:22:52.200 And you have to think about now the interesting dating dynamics of immigrants' populations in the West,

00:22:58.980 because a lot of these minority populations were overwhelmingly one gender,

00:23:03.800 which means that they can't marry within the group.

00:23:06.500 So if, for example, the Pakistani in Italy is 70% male,

00:23:14.220 then most of those men are going to have to date outside of their own group,

00:23:19.920 or else be lonely forever.

00:23:22.860 And then you enter the international dating market,

00:23:26.180 and I concluded that even we like to be concerned about Western men having it hard on the dating market,

00:23:35.920 imagine how difficult it is for Arab and Indian men in the West.

00:23:42.560 Oh, yeah.

00:23:43.560 When there is a massive abundance of men on the dating market,

00:23:46.820 and most women prefer the Western European man.

00:23:53.300 Yeah, well, this is also something to note in cross-ethnic dating,

00:23:57.920 is that there's typically gender preferences. 0.89

00:23:59.480 So typically, East Asian women perform disproportionately better when compared to East Asian men who perform pretty poorly.

00:24:07.740 And it's the same with Black men sometimes perform. 0.98

00:24:10.800 Actually, no, they don't, now that I remember the statistics.

00:24:13.120 It's more of a stereotype.

00:24:14.360 I know that white men perform unusually good across reply rates,

00:24:18.780 like if you look at OkCupid data and stuff like that.

00:24:21.780 So, yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:24:23.160 That would absolutely suck.

00:24:24.400 Yeah, so what I've concluded is that even if a minority population has a fertility rate of, let's say, 2.1,

00:24:34.580 if 70% of that population is men, and only 30% of them are women,

00:24:40.560 that population will still decline because those women will not be able to birth enough babies to replace all of those men.

00:24:49.300 Yeah.

00:24:49.440 Well, no, the 2.1 fertility rate would take into account the gender imbalance.

00:24:55.740 No.

00:24:56.640 So is the 2.1 tied to women specifically?

00:24:59.800 I think it's tied to the entire population.

00:25:01.920 It's looking at the women. 0.99

00:25:04.540 So it's looking at…

00:25:05.600 Is that the way it's calculated?

00:25:07.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:08.300 So it's calculating at the number of women. 0.99

00:25:11.380 And usually, okay, they have to have 2.1.

00:25:14.020 So it appears he's right when the data is recorded correctly, but it's hard to pin this down

00:25:19.860 because it appears that some people don't always calculate the data this way,

00:25:24.420 even though they should be calculating the data this way,

00:25:26.900 which is fascinating and can make TFR a much harder number to use to get predictions than I expected originally.

00:25:33.960 So when you think about these gender imbalances that, okay, let's say that the Thai immigration,

00:25:40.580 which is, let's say, 80% women, for them to replace all of the Thai women and all of the men, 1.00

00:25:47.280 you know, you don't need a fertility rate of 2.1 among them. 1.00

00:25:50.640 They can actually increase the number, although as half Asian in most cases, 0.98

00:25:56.320 even with a lower fertility rate.

00:25:58.280 So when you have to, when you take into account these vast gender imbalances in various immigration groups,

00:26:05.000 you realize that the female migration into Western world is going to have a long-term bigger effect on the demographics than the male surplus

00:26:14.860 because the male surplus is just going to compete in a dating market that is benefiting fewer and fewer men.

00:26:23.780 And since there is such abundance of men, that means that most men are going to lose that competition.

00:26:28.640 Unfortunately, that's something I'm not, I'm not taking joy in this.

00:26:32.600 This is, I'm deeply sympathetic to men who are just going to lose out on this through no fault of their own.

00:26:39.140 Well, that's why you need grooming gangs. 0.94

00:26:40.880 You're not going to get what's any other way.

00:26:42.920 This is what's going on there.

00:26:45.480 Well, no, I mean, if you, if you, and this is something also to remember.

00:26:49.500 Okay.

00:26:49.700 So suppose you have two cultures living next to each other.

00:26:52.000 And this is why I think grooming gangs is such a common phenomenon.

00:26:54.680 If one of the culture, the immigrant group is overwhelmingly male, and they come from a culture where men marry at a much younger age than they do within our culture. 0.76

00:27:04.320 If they are courting women, even totally above board, and their culture treats women as essentially house slaves, and their culture doesn't really let women make many decisions.

00:27:13.740 Even if they're doing everything above board from their own cultural perspective, it would appear from our cultural perspective to be a grooming gang because they would be targeting, because they do marry at a younger age in these countries.

00:27:27.260 They would be appearing to treat these women as slaves afterwards, but that's normal in their country, and they would appear to, like, not let their women go outside much and stuff after that, but that's normal in their country.

00:27:39.220 Yeah, yeah, they rear them towards subservience.

00:27:42.540 Yeah.

00:27:43.200 Exactly right.

00:27:44.320 That's an interesting emergent phenomenon of overly gendered immigration from cultures that are dramatically different from our own.

00:27:52.240 Can you share the Italian chart, by the way?

00:27:54.300 I don't think we got to that, and the UK one.

00:27:55.780 Yeah, it's up right now.

00:27:57.860 Oh, wait.

00:27:58.360 It's the UK.

00:27:59.780 It's the UK.

00:28:00.960 Yeah, yeah, that's the UK.

00:28:01.760 So you can see here that the interesting thing about the UK is that since it's lost almost all of its industry, and a lot of its economy is focusing on education, it's caused the majority of all immigration into the UK to be women. 0.86

00:28:16.020 That's crazy.

00:28:17.380 Yeah.

00:28:17.540 And that means that most of Europe, most of the immigration from Europe to the UK is women because they come there to study. 0.96

00:28:25.920 And, but when you look at outside of Europe, outside of the Western world, it's basically the same trends with Middle East, Indian subcontinent, North Africa, China, China over and over again.

00:28:38.880 This has got to be murdering them.

00:28:40.960 Yeah, yeah. 0.79

00:28:41.460 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:28:42.020 This is not good for China at all.

00:28:43.860 Like, more women are immigrating out of China than the men, right? 0.57

00:28:49.080 Whatever women remain. 0.99

00:28:50.840 This is crazy.

00:28:52.620 Well, let's look at Italy.

00:28:54.340 We can, right there.

00:28:56.560 See, the number of countries was very limited.

00:28:59.240 So, but it still shows the same trends with exception to Iran, which was fairly close to 50-50.

00:29:07.980 I think that the Russia and Ukrainian situation with this is going to be way more impactful to their own populations than a lot of people realize right now.

00:29:15.420 I think we're talking about almost ethnic cleansing levels of depopulation in some of these areas.

00:29:21.840 So, yeah, Western Europe receiving a bit of a demographic boost from the war in Ukraine because you have all these women leaving Ukraine. 0.85

00:29:31.500 And a lot of them will not return back home once there's peace again.

00:29:35.900 Well, and also Russia.

00:29:37.400 So, I watch a number of Russian YouTube channels.

00:29:40.000 And given that women are more left-leaning and are more influenced by the urban monoculture, a lot of women, you know, whether these are good women to marry or not, were sort of scared out of the country is one of the things I've seen with the war.

00:29:51.840 Because of the online conversation around the war that made them feel uncomfortable staying.

00:29:57.520 Yeah, a lot of the anti-war dissidents in Russia, there were a few million of them.

00:30:02.460 They just left in the first year and two of the war.

00:30:06.780 Yeah.

00:30:07.140 So, there was a significant depopulation and a lot of them were women. 0.97

00:30:11.600 And I don't think they'll be returning back to Russia.

00:30:14.940 So, that means that, yeah, it's just a really serious demographic decline.

00:30:19.780 You're not going to – it's not going to be sufficient for a lot of countries to have just 2.1 children per woman.

00:30:26.220 Some of these countries are going to need a little bit higher than that, which just makes the whole solution and, you know, the situation even worse.

00:30:35.160 Well, the argument that Malcolm makes again and again is it's much worse than that because still in many of these developed countries, a huge portion of the population plans on having zero.

00:30:42.860 So, there's even more overcorrection that has to be made.

00:30:46.340 So, you know, but the point he's making, Simone, is look at like Latin America where we're seeing crashing fertility rates right now.

00:30:52.400 This is where they're going to deal with the biggest issue here.

00:30:54.640 Latin America is also losing tons of its population.

00:30:57.140 So, the state takes the time and the expense to educate these people during the period when they're net parasitic on society, their young age.

00:31:05.960 And then they move to the United States when they become producers and, you know, never move back.

00:31:11.860 At the same time, these countries, many of them have a lower fertility rate than the United States.

00:31:16.300 I need to run the math on this, but I think right now about half of Latin America has a fertility rate that's lower than the United States.

00:31:22.400 And it will soon, within at least the next 10 years.

00:31:25.080 With this being the case, the fact that they are also losing population is going to drain them so quickly from an economic perspective.

00:31:35.840 Right.

00:31:36.740 So, when you really take these different factors into play, you realize that the demographic future of the Western world is looking better than a lot of these other regions of the world.

00:31:51.980 We do receive, even though we have a lot of disaffected young people, they have better conditions and better circumstances for a good future than a lot of these other areas.

00:32:06.020 Even though these other areas might be growing and might be on the rise, I don't think that's going to be long-lasting.

00:32:11.400 Well, I think we also need to consider the effects of immigration that is majority one gender from hard conservative cultures, because not a lot of progressive women are going to be interested in marrying into a strict Muslim household, for example.

00:32:24.440 Right.

00:32:24.700 Even though they signal that they would be, like, the moment they realize what's really up and they're like, oh, this is actually, like, conservative and not, like, play conservative.

00:32:33.680 I think that they would say no to that.

00:32:35.980 I'm also interested in the data you had on the collapsing fertility rates in second-generation immigrants.

00:32:41.320 Right.

00:32:42.060 So, a lot of people are concerned that immigrants are becoming minority-majority population in the Western countries.

00:32:51.640 And there's a lot of data in Sweden that shows that the second generation of immigrants have a far lower birth rate than the native Swedish women do.

00:33:02.080 So, this is not showing in the regular TFR numbers.

00:33:06.200 So, it's relative numbers compared to Swedish women. 1.00

00:33:10.280 Oh.

00:33:10.560 At the top of this table, you have one.

00:33:12.700 That means that whatever number the Swedish women are having babies at. 1.00

00:33:16.740 And if anything is showing above one, that means that they're having more children than Swedish women. 0.71

00:33:23.180 And if it is below one, that means that they're having fewer children than Swedish women. 0.66

00:33:28.580 What is model A versus model B?

00:33:30.400 It's different ways of calculating this relativity.

00:33:33.600 And I won't go into details of it, but there were different models that they were running with.

00:33:39.400 So, this is really fascinating.

00:33:40.520 It looks like the Middle East, like, if you're looking at where their fertility rate is relative to Sweden, it looks like, okay, 0.94

00:33:46.760 it's about the same as Swedish women, 0.96 or 1.02, depending on the model being used.

00:33:52.560 But pretty much all of that seems to be coming from Turkish immigrants.

00:33:56.280 Yeah.

00:33:56.600 So, this is interesting that the Middle East category is mostly just two countries, Iran and Syria.

00:34:04.360 Now, the thing about Syria is that half of those immigrants are Christians, not Muslims.

00:34:08.940 So, half of them are Muslims, half of them are Christian in Sweden.

00:34:11.460 And so, the Middle East category and Turkey are having about the same number of children as Swedish women do in the second generation.

00:34:20.020 But when you look at these other countries that are Muslim, like North Africa, like Iran, it is way lower.

00:34:28.760 It's shockingly low.

00:34:30.040 It's like at 0.43, 0.6, it's around half.

00:34:32.920 And the most shocking one is Horn of Africa. 0.62

00:34:36.760 That is Somalia. 0.75

00:34:38.100 That is Eritrea.

00:34:39.240 That is Ethiopia.

00:34:41.040 They're having about half as many children.

00:34:43.780 Less than that.

00:34:44.440 0.43, 0.49.

00:34:46.420 What on earth?

00:34:46.800 Okay.

00:34:47.060 So, that's something you usually don't ever see, that Africans are having collapsing birth rates compared to Europeans.

00:34:55.340 Yeah.

00:34:56.840 And this is what I'm going to go to a Swedish media studio tomorrow to talk about this and give people a white pill in the right wing.

00:35:05.040 That if immigration were to stop to Sweden right now, and you just go forward 100 years, then the Swedish share of the population would increase, and the minority population would decrease as a proportion.

00:35:21.740 No.

00:35:22.560 Okay.

00:35:22.900 I'm struggling with this.

00:35:24.060 So, it says that this graph was taken.

00:35:26.380 I can understand if this was a recent shift, but it says this is between 1998 and 2012.

00:35:31.180 It looked at every single year, the birth rates of all of these different groups of every single year, and they averaged out.

00:35:38.280 Right.

00:35:38.540 But what I'm saying is this must be unique to Sweden, because I've seen other charts that show immigrants having higher birth rates, at least within generation one of the native population. 0.60

00:35:47.880 Yeah.

00:35:47.900 So, generation one in Sweden shows higher fertility rates among immigrants.

00:35:51.760 And that's why people get the conception that they are going to become a majority, because they only look at the first generations of fertility rates, which is easily available.

00:36:01.280 That's, you just look at who's foreign born, just look at their TFR, and then you just run a dissimulation on that, and then you make the conclusion, oh, they're becoming a majority in like a few generations from now.

00:36:14.380 You have data on the second generation, those who grew up in Sweden with immigrant-born parents, and they don't have the same number of kids.

00:36:23.760 So, in Norway, they had this interesting data that showed that immigrants have the same TFR after about 10 or 15 years of living in Norway.

00:36:34.160 And in Denmark, they have a bit lower, even first-generation immigrants have a bit lower TFR than the native Danish women. 0.99

00:36:41.800 So, my read of this would be that these groups maintain their culture for Gen 1, and because they're from a different cultural background, they're going to have more kids.

00:36:50.740 But after Gen 1, they are much more susceptible to the urban monoculture because they haven't been as exposed to it.

00:36:56.660 They haven't been forced for generations to send their kids to school systems meant to brainwash them.

00:37:01.460 And so, they actually get deconverted at a higher rate than kids from local moderately conservative cultures, would be my guess.

00:37:08.680 So, there's another valuable piece of data that you have to take into consideration, is that most immigration concentrate in the cities.

00:37:16.580 And we know that cities, on average, have a lower number of children than the countryside.

00:37:23.180 And the countryside is homogenous.

00:37:24.440 So, when you say that, okay, the immigrants have a higher number of kids, then that would suggest that the cities should have higher birth rates than the countryside.

00:37:37.440 But that's not the case.

00:37:38.740 So, if the first-generation immigrants are having more kids, then what explains this massive, significant lower number of kids that are born in the cities?

00:37:50.540 And it's the second generation that is collapsing.

00:37:53.660 Yeah.

00:37:54.300 So, this means that, you know, it's not a permanent solution to have immigrants replace the native-born, the locals. 1.00

00:38:04.980 Well, and one thing I'd point out here is this situation is actually worse than this in a way, which is to say that the immigrants whose fertility rate is collapsing are the ones that acculturate. 0.98

00:38:15.700 And the ones who do not acculturate are the ones who keep a high fertility rate.

00:38:19.540 Yes. So, if you just look at those numbers, the European countries that are most similar to Sweden have a similar number of kids.

00:38:28.420 And when you go further and further away from Sweden, it tends to get lower and lower.

00:38:35.060 Yeah.

00:38:35.460 And that's when you get, you know, the least, the most incompatible culture is from Horn of Africa, for example, or Afghanistan, et cetera. 0.97

00:38:43.360 Well, I mean, I think what we're seeing here is which immigrant populations are most likely to actually replace or, and that replaces the wrong word here, but I mean.

00:38:54.400 It's great and adapt.

00:38:56.120 End up becoming a permanent, like, like the actual fear that people have, which is a different cultural group is going to have a higher fertility rate than us that we are importing.

00:39:05.420 Really, the only one that I see that from a European perspective people would actually be super afraid of would be Turkey, and who has a huge Turkish immigrant population is Germany.

00:39:16.460 So, as I said, Germany is cooked. 0.97

00:39:18.320 But other than Germany, some of the other countries might be in a better position than we would have thought, which is really interesting.

00:39:27.760 Yeah.

00:39:28.600 Encouraging.

00:39:29.860 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:30.420 So, it's not all just doom and gloom about the future of the West.

00:39:36.900 The incels in the West have a better chance than incels in the rest of the world by a long shot.

00:39:42.360 In a sense, they're shaping the future because they're the most likely also to pioneer a new post-globalization intergenerational culture that works because they've been the first to encounter the fact that this current urban monoculture is deadly.

00:39:59.360 I'd also note what's really interesting about this to me is the groups that are intergenerational, you know, when they get to generation two, maintaining a high fertility rate.

00:40:08.160 If you're looking at Arab, not Arab, Arab's the wrong word here with Persians, but hey, being called Arab.

00:40:13.320 I'd say, like, Middle Eastern countries, it's the countries that are actually the most urban monoculture-y in their vibe, and the ones that are most radically different actually seem to be able to preserve their culture the least well. 0.96

00:40:27.540 You know, with, like, Iran having a terrible fertility rate and Turkey having a fairly good fertility rate, my guess is what's causing this is just exposure to the urban monoculture before this.

00:40:38.160 Like, how radically different was this for them?

00:40:40.640 You've got to keep in mind that the Middle East has had the most radical transformation in the last century.

00:40:48.420 Yeah.

00:40:48.660 So the Middle East has had a population of about 42 million in the year 1917, and in the year 2017, 100 years later, they had about 420 million.

00:41:00.000 So their population increased by 1,000% in 100 years.

00:41:04.220 Yeah.

00:41:04.660 Georgian had, you know, just a few nomads at a few hundred thousand, and today they are over 10 million people.

00:41:16.040 Wow.

00:41:16.480 You know, they just built cities in the middle of the desert where there was nothing.

00:41:21.320 Absolutely nothing.

00:41:22.160 And then these nomads and these goat herders and all of that suddenly had to adapt to a new urban reality. 0.98

00:41:31.660 And their culture is not very well suited for that.

00:41:35.140 Yeah.

00:41:35.780 Well, and as you've pointed out in other stuff, we're going to see a massive collapse of water supplies.

00:41:40.200 It may not be as bad as you think.

00:41:42.780 Elon pointed this out, and I think he made really good argument on this, which he's like, if you look at the decreasing cost of desalination and you project it going forwards, it's actually been accelerating at a super fast pace.

00:41:55.740 However, what I think Elon's getting wrong here is having desalination plants in these countries is going to require a sustained global economy.

00:42:06.160 And if that begins to falter with the collapse of inevitable demographic collapse of Europe, then I don't think that I would expect these countries to maintain access to desalination plants, which will lead to massive outward immigration waves.

00:42:21.820 To give some context, I mentioned to the Collins that I believe that a large portion of the world population is going to run out of water in a couple of decades.

00:42:33.960 And that is going to cause huge waves of immigration, probably to the West and other areas that are more sustainable.

00:42:43.400 And that's largely going to come from the Middle East and North Africa that relies on aquifers and desalination plants to get their water.

00:42:51.400 They don't have rain.

00:42:52.360 They don't have a whole lot of rivers.

00:42:53.660 They don't have a lot of freshwater lakes to get water from.

00:42:57.520 So their water is mostly aquifers, and that's finite, depleting at a very fast rate.

00:43:03.960 Yeah.

00:43:04.720 Well, and it's not just those countries.

00:43:07.260 If you're looking at the Americas, for example, you have two major problems coming up.

00:43:11.120 One is Peru.

00:43:12.640 And many people are like, oh, Peru, what a lovely place.

00:43:16.260 It's like jungle.

00:43:16.840 No, Peru is mostly a desert.

00:43:18.040 And the biggest city in Peru, Lima, which is like a mega city.

00:43:22.160 It's the same way that like Seoul is like a third or two-thirds of South Korea's population.

00:43:26.740 It's just like a huge chunk of the country's population.

00:43:28.740 I can't remember, but it's more than three.

00:43:30.360 Is completely dependent on a water supply in the mountains, which is going to be gone in the next, I think, what, 15 years or something or 20 years?

00:43:40.580 Oh, God.

00:43:41.740 So that is – yeah, Lima is cooked, Simone.

00:43:44.380 That's why I wanted to get – we're trying to sell the house there right now.

00:43:47.280 And California is cooked as well.

00:43:49.180 Their agriculture is, you know, really running out of water.

00:43:53.640 Yeah.

00:43:54.260 Yeah.

00:43:55.080 They're draining the Ogallala Aquifer, which is terrifying.

00:43:57.520 But the thing about that is that that's not going to cause a big food threat to the American citizens.

00:44:03.040 That's just going to remove all the food exports that the U.S. is doing. 1.00

00:44:07.060 So it's going to primarily impact the third world that the U.S. exports food to.

00:44:11.500 Well, we're sort of preparing the world for that.

00:44:14.380 Hello, tariffs.

00:44:15.600 I feel like they're the – let's get ready for the future before we're forced to.

00:44:20.160 So whenever people think about natural resources, they always get fixated on the very specific stuff like lithium or oil.

00:44:29.700 And they tend to ignore the essentials like water, wood, sand, and things like that that the West, including Europe, has huge numbers of.

00:44:42.360 Well, I guess that was China, is China is so bad with its food.

00:44:47.300 Like it not only imports tons of food, it even has to import its – oh, God, what is that called again?

00:44:53.600 The nitrates.

00:44:54.480 It even has to import its nitrates.

00:44:55.880 Which means that if trade networks broke down, China would be really effed by them.

00:45:01.600 And the United States is in a remarkably good position if any sort of deglobalization happens because we can easily feed ourselves.

00:45:11.020 And very few other parts of the world can both manage their own energy needs and their own food needs.

00:45:17.440 Right.

00:45:18.680 And, you know, when you look at what countries export the most food, it's all these European countries.

00:45:28.460 You know, they're not the top producers of food, but it would come to export, the exporting market.

00:45:34.640 That's when all the European countries reach to the top, like Australia, USA, Russia, Argentina, France.

00:45:42.320 And if those countries were to suddenly have a food crisis, they're going to prioritize their own citizens.

00:45:48.700 If they have an economic decline, they're going to prioritize the needs and the safety of their own citizens and have to sacrifice their export markets.

00:45:58.280 So it's in the best interest for people living in the third world that the West is doing okay. 1.00

00:46:06.340 There is no, like we have such an interconnected world that there is no local or national collapse.

00:46:15.620 Like if one country goes, it creates a chain reaction that affects everyone else.

00:46:19.780 When the U.S. economy sneezes, the other, the rest of the world gets a cold.

00:46:25.000 And I think it's not just the U.S., but like smaller countries can have that chain reaction effect as well.

00:46:31.180 Just to make a very fast summary, there is a huge amount of marriage migration going on into the West, and it's causing the migration into the Western countries to be fairly gender balanced, more so than people believe.

00:46:48.800 That's coming from Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia, and Latin America for the most part.

00:46:53.280 And that's driven by, you know, four factors, gender segregated economy, political divide between men and women. 1.00

00:47:01.320 It's caused by a natural male surplus being born all the time and no wars to kill them off.

00:47:07.260 And it's also caused by just women preferring to date the same men, a small group of men, rather than settle for an average guy.

00:47:17.860 So these urban women, they, instead of causing mass male migration, they resort to polygamy. 1.00

00:47:25.360 Yeah.

00:47:26.140 And this male surplus in the countryside, instead of sharing wives, they import wives. 0.76

00:47:34.760 So even if a country has 50-50 gender balance, you can still have a massive shortage of single women that average man can date.

00:47:46.040 And in that sense, the Western world is in a better position, incels here in a better position than the incels in the third world. 0.93

00:47:55.980 Well, and culturally, these women are going to convert much more than the men, as you said, because they have a private.

00:48:01.320 But ethnically, if you're looking at how these countries are going to change, what we're going to see is a shift because women have kids. 1.00

00:48:07.740 Female immigrants have kids. Male immigrants can't really have kids. 1.00

00:48:10.980 Unless they find a woman, but that's becoming harder and harder to do.

00:48:14.640 So what we will see is a shift to become more Russian, more East Asian, more Latin American.

00:48:21.780 Yeah, yeah. So the culture will be relatively unchanged.

00:48:25.100 The crime levels won't be affected a whole lot by that.

00:48:27.780 But the genetic impact is going to be significant.

00:48:32.480 And that is a discussion.

00:48:34.780 But I don't think, I don't think for most people who care about this stuff, concerning.

00:48:39.500 Yeah.

00:48:39.760 It's just going to be different.

00:48:42.340 In the U.S., not so much.

00:48:43.880 But in Europe, there is more blood and soil vibe to the whole continent. 0.95

00:48:50.100 That there is, like, they're not going to oppose it.

00:48:52.700 But they're going to be concerned about that and be a little anxious.

00:48:57.580 So, yeah, that's all I wanted to say.

00:48:59.320 Thank you for having me on.

00:49:00.320 I appreciate it.

00:49:00.860 It's funny that you're going to be anxious, but they don't talk about it publicly.

00:49:02.940 They don't fight for it.

00:49:03.880 They're like, I'm going to be anxious privately while we die out.

00:49:06.500 And I'm like, okay, great.

00:49:07.720 Be anxious privately while you die out. 0.82

00:49:09.720 Be anxious while you marry a Thai woman. 0.99

00:49:11.740 Yeah, exactly.

00:49:12.260 Yeah, right?

00:49:12.860 Yeah.

00:49:13.460 I don't think any of the, like, gene bros would care about that.

00:49:17.540 Like, they all want to marry Thai women. 1.00

00:49:19.540 Who doesn't want to marry a Thai woman? 1.00

00:49:20.700 Actions speak louder than words.

00:49:22.300 I don't know.

00:49:22.820 Yeah.

00:49:23.120 Hold on.

00:49:23.480 There is a reason why.

00:49:25.240 But I see the appeal.

00:49:26.820 I mean, you know, if you think about lineage, a half Asian guy is going to have worse odds

00:49:32.680 at finding a partner in the West than a fully European guy.

00:49:37.220 True.

00:49:37.760 So.

00:49:38.640 But here's the thing.

00:49:39.960 They make great women. 1.00

00:49:41.840 They're so good.

00:49:42.820 I don't know.

00:49:43.200 I feel like.

00:49:44.280 Simone, you're so good at making women. 1.00

00:49:46.380 I think some of their guys look like women. 0.57

00:49:50.440 Yeah, but a lot of women are into that. 1.00

00:49:52.980 They're into that.

00:49:53.800 No.

00:49:54.160 No, they're not.

00:49:55.040 Not really.

00:49:55.600 This is why one of my favorite things.

00:49:58.520 I was talking to someone once about, like, a trans person.

00:50:00.780 And I was like, do they pass?

00:50:02.820 And they go, they pass, like, a Thai person. 1.00

00:50:05.660 And I was like, oh, damn. 0.99

00:50:06.680 They must pass really well. 1.00

00:50:08.260 Yeah.

00:50:09.960 Oh, God.

00:50:11.080 All right.

00:50:11.720 Let's stop here.

00:50:12.640 All right.

00:50:13.040 Have a good one.

00:50:14.060 This has been a pleasure.

00:50:15.320 Thank you so much for coming on.

00:50:16.420 I cackle with glee at their self-centered ways.

00:50:21.600 No children to carry their fleeting sad days.

00:50:25.600 They spit on the past, dodge the debts they should pay.

00:50:29.880 While I sow the future to wipe them away.

00:50:34.120 Behold my grand scheme, my vitalist might.

00:50:38.220 I'll flood their dead cities with life's boundless fight.

00:50:42.440 Their venomous culture, all pleasure and lies.

00:50:46.300 Leaves them broken, despairing with howls to the sky.

00:50:50.500 They crave shallow thrills, chasing claps from the crowd.

00:51:11.280 But their toxic obsession just builds them a shroud.

00:51:15.840 Depression and dread twist their minds in a haze.

00:51:20.000 Their selfish betrayal fuels their miserable days.

00:51:23.280 Behold my grand scheme, my vitalist might.

00:51:28.060 I'll flood their dead cities with life's boundless fight.

00:51:32.200 Their venomous culture, all pleasure and lies.

00:51:36.480 Leaves them broken, despairing with howls to the skies.

00:51:40.900 They crave shallow thrills, chasing claps from the crowd.

00:51:44.620 But their toxic obsession just builds them a shroud.

00:51:49.240 Depression and dread twist their minds in a haze.

00:51:53.120 Their selfish betrayal fuels their miserable days.

00:51:57.600 Behold my grand scheme, my vitalist might.

00:52:01.780 I'll flood their dead cities with life's boundless fight.

00:52:05.820 Their venomous culture, all pleasure and lies.

00:52:09.820 Leaves them broken, despairing with howls to the skies.

00:52:14.020 My ears will march forth where their weakness collapses.

00:52:34.840 Their legacies dust from their own selfish lapses.

00:52:39.320 They squandered their souls for a fleeting vain spark.

00:52:43.080 Now their screams pierce the void of their self-inflicted dark.

00:52:47.700 Behold my grand scheme, my vitalist might.

00:52:51.800 I'll flood their dead cities with life's boundless fight.

00:52:55.940 Their venomous culture, all pleasure and lies.

00:52:59.920 Leaves them broken, despairing with howls to the skies. 0.99

00:53:04.400 So fall, you narcissist, in your self-crafted doom. 0.97

00:53:08.160 Your culture's a toxin that choked out your bloom. 0.97

00:53:12.380 My vitalist banner will soar your cries.

00:53:16.880 Reclaiming tomorrow with life that won't die. 0.99

00:53:20.920 Kill me. 1.00

00:53:21.420 You bully me. 1.00

00:53:21.820 Need forорт my family.

00:53:22.140 Wait for it.

00:53:22.840 Let's go.

00:53:23.400 alla

00:53:35.540 Hey.

00:53:38.680 How's that?

00:53:39.460 Great.

00:53:39.640 Wait for it.

00:53:41.700 Thanks for it.

00:53:42.080 Thanks for it.

00:53:43.500 Look back.

00:53:43.640 Let's go.

00:53:44.080 Woo.

00:53:44.280 One.

00:53:44.640 Today.

00:53:44.760 Good.

00:53:44.780 Okay.

00:53:46.500 Bye.

00:53:46.860 Bye.

00:53:48.020 Bye.

00:53:48.680 Bye.

00:53:48.700 Bye.

00:53:49.300 Bye.

00:53:49.540 Bye.

00:53:49.760 Bye.

Based Camp - May 05, 2025

Incels Are Importing More Women Than You Think： With David Lorenzo

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