Based Camp - Inside the Deranged Anti-Natalist Movement

00:00:00.000 You need to really keep in mind that there is a growing movement out there that wants to end all human life.

00:00:08.860 Anyway, the Russians love their children too will be fine.

00:00:19.500 The problem is that these people don't have children and know they don't love them.

00:00:22.780 I hope the Russians love their children too. 1.00

00:00:28.900 And they really do want to kill you all. 1.00

00:00:30.860 And they could end up in nuclear silos. 0.99

00:00:32.700 They could end up in positions of power.

00:00:34.720 And we need to keep in mind just how dangerous the forces arrayed against us really are.

00:00:40.260 You know, while we try to be as pluralistic as possible, we need to understand that they want to remove consent from everyone.

00:00:46.260 Everyone.

00:00:46.660 If you could end suffering tomorrow, yeah, probably anything is justifiable.

00:00:54.020 Afflicting just about anything is probably justifiable.

00:00:56.900 Imposing just about anything is probably justifiable.

00:01:00.340 They are, I think, the truest and purest form of evil in the world today.

00:01:05.220 And it feels really good that there are enemies because I know I'm on the right side. 0.99

00:01:08.800 It's like you get to a Holocaust camp and you're like, oh, these guys are clearly the fucking bad guys. 0.98

00:01:12.520 You get to an FLS subreddit, you're like, oh, wow, you could not more clearly signal that you're evil. 0.99

00:01:18.200 But they are growing and they're growing faster than us.

00:01:21.680 Yeah.

00:01:22.220 Now gird your loins, ladies and gentlemen.

00:01:24.300 Would you like to know more?

00:01:26.040 So, Malcolm, I'm not really sure when this is going to go live, but we are very rapidly approaching the end of the year 2023.

00:01:33.320 This has been a wild year for us.

00:01:35.300 Through the generosity of the Survival and Flourishing Fund, a significant amount for pronatalist advocacy work, which got us really tapped into the community, to the global landscape.

00:01:48.820 We've spoken with journalists across the world, Germany, France.

00:01:53.240 Politicians.

00:01:54.400 Politicians.

00:01:55.260 Law leaders, yeah.

00:01:56.260 Just individuals.

00:01:57.040 It's been wild.

00:01:57.800 And I came in with a very different perception of the forces arrayed against pronatalism that I have now at the end of the year.

00:02:07.760 I came in thinking the forces arrayed against pronatalism are just it being hard to have kids, it being expensive to have kids, it being daunting to have kids, the regulatory load being too high.

00:02:21.660 And those things matter.

00:02:23.140 But what I'm realizing is really at play, and this is something that came up at the natalism conference in Austin that we attended in December and spoke at, was it really what this is, is there is a growing, there is a war on the horizon.

00:02:38.480 And it is between people who are pro-humanity, pro-existence, sentience, life.

00:02:46.580 I'm not saying pro-life like anti-abortion.

00:02:48.680 I'm saying pro-life like, I like the fact that things exist and feel, and anti-life.

00:02:54.340 And this is something that we first got the rumblings of in like various off-the-record salons and dinner parties we were hosting where we would bring up demographic collapse and pronatalism among major leaders, investors, politicians, influencers, etc.

00:03:07.780 In a common, the most common pushback we got, it was never any of the things I thought were the big bads.

00:03:13.220 It was never expensive, blah, blah, blah, regulatory, blah, blah.

00:03:15.840 No, it was, but wouldn't the world be better off without humans?

00:03:21.760 And we're like, wait, what?

00:03:23.580 Wait, what?

00:03:24.760 But this is an undercurrent within a lot of anti-natalism.

00:03:29.840 And it's a much bigger and more philosophically robust undercurrent than I think many pro-natalists give it credit for.

00:03:37.500 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:03:38.980 It is logically consistent.

00:03:41.580 And in the frame of modern, progressive, urban monoculture society, it is the logical conclusion because it is a negative utilitarian mindset.

00:03:53.220 Yeah, if you're interested in going into our deep dive on negative utilitarianism, why we are not negative utilitarians, go find our video on negative utilitarianism.

00:04:01.800 Just so people know, whenever I mention a video in one of these videos, typically, I'm going to post something which will appear like a little link that you can click if you're on YouTube, which will take you to that video.

00:04:14.180 And I often also, at the end of a video, include in the recommended videos the videos that we have been talking about in that particular video to make it easier for you to find them.

00:04:23.000 And in this one, I'm almost certainly going to include, if I remember, the video on negative utilitarianism.

00:04:29.060 So, you know, these are individuals who essentially believe that while negative emotions are a thing of negative value, positive emotions are not a thing of positive value.

00:04:36.640 It's not as insane as it sounds if you go into it in detail.

00:04:39.580 But this philosophy is the core philosophy of the anti-natalist movement.

00:04:44.860 It is not the environmentalist philosophy.

00:04:46.920 All of that is sort of ancillary.

00:04:49.340 Like, yes, environmentalism is nice.

00:04:51.700 Like, yes, some of the other things.

00:04:53.580 But if you look at, like, Ethelus, right, which is one of the core players in this community, which we'll go into in a second.

00:04:59.320 Or if you look at, like, negative utilitarianism we have debated, they actually don't want humans to stop existing right now because we don't yet have the capacity to kill all animal lives before we kill ourselves.

00:05:10.120 And so they want to ensure that we can do that so there's not a risk of some other animal coming to evolve into humanity or the horrible things that are happening in nature all the time.

00:05:18.360 And they're right.

00:05:18.860 I mean, nature is a horrifying space.

00:05:21.020 These are not logically inconsistent communities.

00:05:23.400 Although we do have to divide it up.

00:05:25.600 And this is something so Malcolm's referring to Lawrence, Anton and company, a group of anti-natalists based in the UK who are among the leading anti-natalists.

00:05:35.140 And they're both very logically consistent and reasonable.

00:05:38.180 They're the ones who hold the view that they want all sentience to end because all sentience is suffering.

00:05:41.980 And it is very logically consistent on their end to be like, man, have you, like, seen how animals die?

00:05:46.700 Like, it's way worse than, you know, like, there's a lot more suffering units going on there than, like, the human suffering units if we're looking at this, practically speaking, especially in developed societies.

00:05:54.440 It's like the UA community and shrimp.

00:05:56.060 Yes, but then there is, there are also the environmental anti-natalists who just think humans are bad.

00:06:02.960 The human extinction movement.

00:06:04.460 So, I mean, let's talk about some of these.

00:06:05.840 Let's pull up the human extinction movement website.

00:06:07.760 Okay.

00:06:08.120 So, let's see what they say.

00:06:10.820 So, they're called the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement, if you want to look at this.

00:06:14.140 And they say on their website, phasing out the human species by voluntarily ceasing to breed will allow Earth's biosphere to return to good health.

00:06:23.320 Crowded conditions and resource shortages will improve as we become less dense.

00:06:28.320 I love how, like, underplayed that is from Voluntary Human Extinction.

00:06:32.720 See what's been happening lately in the movement.

00:06:34.760 They're talking about how they were interviewed recently in the movement.

00:06:37.620 They're talking about Elon Musk, who they hate.

00:06:41.340 Of course.

00:06:43.060 But some environmentalists have gone so far as to thinking humans are bad, and of course, they don't like that.

00:06:48.140 So, this is, you know, it is one of the larger movements.

00:06:53.580 It is an environmentalist movement.

00:06:55.100 And I think it's the most consistent, like, when people at those salons we've hosted have said, wouldn't it be better if humans didn't exist at all?

00:07:03.180 They are in this group.

00:07:04.520 And I think this is, in terms of people who don't put thought into this, and that is the majority of people, they're in this group. 1.00

00:07:11.420 Yeah, the environmentalist group is dumb. 0.59

00:07:14.500 Yeah, but it's, but also, like, the, and keep it, again, most people don't put thought into this. 0.99

00:07:19.560 Most people who aren't putting thought into this are just tacitly assuming humanity bad, humans evil, corrupt capitalism, blah, blah, blah.

00:07:28.060 Right, which is different from the negative utilitarian group who want all animals dead.

00:07:31.440 But who are also very thoughtful.

00:07:32.940 They're in that, they've, like, they've thought through that.

00:07:34.680 And this is where people are like, well, if you say that they're thoughtful and everything like that.

00:07:37.920 Yeah, but our views are also logically consistent.

00:07:40.820 And here's the thing.

00:07:42.240 We are trying to create a diverse and flourishing human empire, and they are trying to extinguish all life that exists in the universe. 0.99

00:07:48.080 Who's the baddies?

00:07:50.680 Like, this is not difficult for me to figure out who are the bad guys here.

00:07:55.540 I've just noticed something. 0.99

00:07:57.000 Cowards. 0.97

00:07:58.600 Have you looked at our caps recently? 0.99

00:08:02.900 Our caps?

00:08:04.240 The badges on our caps.

00:08:06.400 Have you looked at them?

00:08:07.840 What?

00:08:08.520 No.

00:08:09.800 A bit?

00:08:11.680 They've got skulls on them.

00:08:13.420 Have you noticed that our caps have actually got little pictures of skulls on them?

00:08:21.680 I don't, uh...

00:08:22.980 Hands.

00:08:26.040 Are we the baddies?

00:08:28.320 I am happy that I happen to live at a time in history where so unambiguously there is one group of good guys and one group of evil guys.

00:08:37.760 And keep in mind, you know, being part of this pronatalist community does not mean you have to have kids.

00:08:42.020 It just means that you work to support what the movement is doing.

00:08:44.680 There's many ways that you can do that outside of having kids yourself.

00:08:48.240 But it is, which team are you on?

00:08:49.880 Are you on the Deaths to All Things team?

00:08:51.840 Or are you on the, you know, let's improve the quality of our species.

00:08:57.080 Let's improve the living quality of our species.

00:08:59.080 Let's improve the amount of suffering that's happening in the world.

00:09:02.780 We don't think suffering particularly matters, but on the margin, it's pretty easy to improve at this point.

00:09:07.640 But you wanted to say something, Simone?

00:09:08.960 Well, I mean, honestly, though, like, you say that, like, it's so unambiguous.

00:09:13.840 But I have moments where I feel like I'm so gaslit by society about all this stuff where, like, I do find myself questioning.

00:09:22.940 And I think, you know, a lot of...

00:09:23.980 And I'm like, wait, like, wait, is humanity really?

00:09:27.860 Like, I lose the plot because I'm also like, in any social situation, I'm like an LLM.

00:09:33.460 I'm just trying to, like, give whatever response and follow whatever reasoning, like, pleases the crowd the most.

00:09:39.680 And I really do feel like this is how many people may have felt in Nazi Germany when they're like, we shouldn't be...

00:09:47.460 Wait, but why do we hate Jews so much?

00:09:48.660 Yeah, they're like, but, like, haven't you seen what the Jews do to society? 1.00

00:09:52.940 Haven't you seen that everything that's terrible is their fault? 0.93

00:09:55.960 Don't you understand they're the only thing standing between us and the perfect society?

00:10:00.660 And, like, you're sitting there and you're like, this can't be right, but you're making me feel really bad.

00:10:06.400 Like, you're acting like I'm the baddie here.

00:10:08.780 And, like, that's the thing is I do feel like this very large and growing proportion of society is just like, well, it's so obvious that humans are the bad guys.

00:10:18.180 It's so obvious that we need to get rid of all humans that a lot of people are being gaslit.

00:10:22.940 And, again, this is the people who aren't putting much on into it.

00:10:25.040 It's a follow-on from what these groups have done before.

00:10:27.120 So these groups, as a form of penance and a form of status signaling, they have increasingly, you know, to status signal to their community, talk about how bad their group is. 0.98

00:10:38.620 And, you know, this started with white people are evil. 1.00

00:10:41.420 You know, white people are evil. 1.00

00:10:42.460 Or America is evil. 1.00

00:10:43.920 America is evil. 0.59

00:10:44.980 You know, if they're Americans, they can say that and that grants them status within their community because it makes them look, like, introspective and humble. 0.68

00:10:52.020 Even if they don't understand really why they're saying what they're saying.

00:10:56.040 And so this has just expanded outwards and outwards and outwards to humans are evil.

00:11:01.240 Where the larger an in-group that they are targeting with their this group is evil rhetoric, the more that they gain status within these communities.

00:11:11.680 And so it's just a natural descent from that.

00:11:14.800 In addition, it removes more responsibility from them.

00:11:18.040 If humans are evil, then they can do whatever they want.

00:11:19.940 But I want to go over, you know, like, let's just go to the FLISM subreddit right now.

00:11:23.480 Like, what are these people talking about?

00:11:25.180 Because I think the people, this is life spelled backwards.

00:11:28.160 They don't really understand how extremist these communities are.

00:11:32.200 So the top vote on FLISM right now is a poll that says, seriously, why are there so many antinatalists obsessed with consent?

00:11:40.720 And the point that they're citing is, what will you do if 99.99% of people on Earth accepted the truth of antinatalism in the future?

00:11:50.220 And then it was, you know, a portion.

00:11:52.740 22% said use democracy to sterilize them.

00:11:55.320 Wow.

00:11:56.200 So they would use democracy to sterilize the people who were going to plan to keep having kids.

00:12:00.460 9% said verbally bombard the 0.001% until they accept antinatalism.

00:12:05.680 And then 63% said leaves a 0.001% alone, even if they end up repopulating the Earth. 0.67

00:12:13.340 So this is a constant problem with them.

00:12:15.020 Consent is a problem with them because they are a totalitarian movement.

00:12:17.920 Like, the pronatalist movement doesn't really care what antinatalists do, right?

00:12:21.380 Like, they're removing themselves from the gene pool.

00:12:23.900 They are removing themselves from the cultural pool. 0.84

00:12:26.700 They don't need them to do anything.

00:12:28.340 Yeah, we don't care.

00:12:29.620 Like, we are a genuinely pluralistic movement fighting for pluralism.

00:12:32.580 They are a totalitarian fascist movement that wants to take away other individuals' rights.

00:12:37.820 Well, no, so here's the thing is, again, like, Lawrence, Anton, and company, like, that group of antinatalists very vehemently believes in consent.

00:12:45.540 And it's logically consistent with their views because they're very against causing human suffering.

00:12:50.880 And I'm not just a lie.

00:12:51.880 You're drinking the Kool-Aid.

00:12:52.780 You're not really looking for what they're saying.

00:12:53.300 Well, no, no, no.

00:12:53.580 Hold on, hold on.

00:12:54.360 Let me finish.

00:12:55.540 Okay.

00:12:56.520 Because I understand what you're saying.

00:12:58.260 But they do really, they feel deeply morally uncomfortable with the idea of doing anything that causes more and unnecessary suffering.

00:13:06.700 However, in the end, they, I think, know that there will be no way to actually achieve their end with consent.

00:13:14.420 That you cannot convince everyone to do this.

00:13:16.400 You just can't.

00:13:17.320 And so in the end, there is no choice but to take away your autonomy.

00:13:21.680 Here's a short video by one of the leaders of the antinatalist community.

00:13:25.020 Yeah, so look, in the interest of the end, if you could end suffering tomorrow, yeah, probably anything is justifiable.

00:13:34.900 Afflicting just about anything is probably justifiable.

00:13:37.820 Imposing just about anything is probably justifiable if you can end it.

00:13:43.320 If you, if there's literally, you can guarantee no more ouch ever again, then there probably isn't a big enough ouch you could make that wouldn't be justified in the interest of that end.

00:13:56.840 Probably by any means necessary.

00:13:58.740 Like, if I found out tomorrow that the only way that you could, that sentient extinction could possibly happen was skinning all the living things alive slowly.

00:14:10.300 I'd hate it, but I would probably, I would say that it's what we have to do.

00:14:15.940 I'm totally, I'm, I'm totally on board with the idea that, that the, the only thing that really matters is the suffering coming to a finality.

00:14:25.660 So, yeah, any, anything in the interest of that, if you can guarantee that, even, even despite whatever imposition or, or nastiness might be necessary.

00:14:38.480 What's, what's interesting about this poll that does show that still 63% of antinatalists, like even mine, that means a lot don't feel this way.

00:14:45.360 63% still wouldn't force that last 0.001% to be infertile.

00:14:50.360 Yeah.

00:14:51.320 So, so, well, you know.

00:14:53.260 And I think that's, you know, when you look at, and when we talk about in the Pragmatist Guide to Life, objective functions, you know, like what are your inherent values?

00:14:59.760 You can have a, a basket of objective functions.

00:15:03.300 And I think what you're looking at is there's a segment of the population here that, you know, holds a bunch of different values.

00:15:09.960 One of those values involves consent and not coercing people into things.

00:15:13.980 And that ranks a little bit higher than exterminating all sentience.

00:15:20.420 So, you know, for that group, that matters.

00:15:22.400 Whereas for the other group, exterminating all sentience and all suffering is more important than the inherent value of, of consent and, and, and non-coercion.

00:15:32.380 Mm-hmm.

00:15:32.880 Mm-hmm.

00:15:33.300 Well, I mean, so, you know, and I, so here's an example of another FList top post right now.

00:15:40.300 Oh, boy.

00:15:40.700 If you think you are a failure, think about whatever it is that is responsible for the creation of the universe.

00:15:46.100 You will never be as bad. 0.87

00:15:50.480 God is always worse than you. 1.00

00:15:51.880 God, what a douche. 0.99

00:15:54.340 Yeah, I almost want to do a recurring segment where we just talk about whatever FLists are talking about these days.

00:15:58.580 It's like, hey, what's, what's going on in that subreddit?

00:16:01.640 So another website that was brought to my attention recently is Stop Having Kids.

00:16:06.540 So stophavingkids.org.

00:16:09.540 And they seem to be like the most officially looking website within the antinatalist movement.

00:16:14.460 I don't know.

00:16:15.140 If official includes uncanny valley nonsense, that is some weird stuff.

00:16:19.320 Well, they do.

00:16:19.960 They are not as competent as pronatalists, but the IQ of antinatalists isn't as high as pronatalists.

00:16:24.820 I mean, keep in mind, these, as we say, the greater replacement theory that the intelligent autists are going to replace everyone else because that's mostly within the pronatalist movement.

00:16:32.500 You know, these are, these are people that are, and this is something that Dutton pointed out on our show.

00:16:37.180 When you have one thing that's a genetic problem with you, you're likely to have a cascade of other things.

00:16:41.420 So, you know, if you're low IQ, you're less likely to be attractive and you're less likely to be happy.

00:16:46.240 You know, I said at the highest levels of IQ where you do get some depression issues.

00:16:49.300 But, you know, even still, like these individuals are just not fit individuals and are dealing with a lot of mental internal stress.

00:16:57.080 And that is something that even people within the movement are like, this is a really big problem.

00:17:00.600 Like there are just a lot of very depressed people here.

00:17:03.940 Well, and so I'd point out, and what I'm, what I'm pointing out here is the pronatalist movement is much smaller than the antinatalist movement right now.

00:17:10.380 It is.

00:17:10.840 And the amount of funding that we have is much lower than the amount the antinatalist community has.

00:17:15.220 And yet you look at their websites and they look like, you know, the first one, the Voluntary Human Extinction, I'll post a picture of it here.

00:17:21.380 It's literally like an all text website.

00:17:23.180 Yeah.

00:17:23.280 What on earth, guys?

00:17:24.700 And then if you look at the Stop Having Kids, it's a bunch of Uncanny Valley, like AI art stuff.

00:17:30.280 Nightmare fuel.

00:17:31.880 It is genuinely nightmare fuel.

00:17:33.980 Like they couldn't find anyone who wanted to be publicly associated with this.

00:17:38.440 Well, the thing is, though, like all they had to do was go to what I do.

00:17:42.000 I love it.

00:17:42.840 Pixabay.

00:17:43.320 It's a free website that has royalty-free, like public domain, stock images, you know, they could have gotten everything they needed there.

00:17:53.800 But instead, they're like, I'm just going to use AI to make the creepiest image possible.

00:17:56.980 So they've got things like make love, not babies.

00:17:59.240 You can't up.

00:18:00.600 Just the fact that someone refers to populations making love.

00:18:02.600 The best way to avoid hell is to never be born.

00:18:05.080 Oh, boy.

00:18:06.640 Be a voice for the childless.

00:18:08.580 Use your voice to speak out against procreation.

00:18:11.120 Aren't distractions wonderful to have?

00:18:13.320 But why bring someone into the world to distract yourself from how bad life is or something?

00:18:18.960 But I mean, I agree with that, though.

00:18:20.680 Like, again, like I don't think – I'm super okay with antinatals convincing people who are, you know, deeply unhappy people who wouldn't be good parents to not have kids because they shouldn't have kids.

00:18:33.060 And you know they're like funding like billboards and stuff.

00:18:35.200 If only we could – well, I guess we would never spend money on something so wasteful.

00:18:38.360 Like, people often do not stop to question having children before opting to procreate.

00:18:43.400 What's interesting is we agree with them on a lot of stuff.

00:18:45.280 Like, I agree with that.

00:18:46.540 We want to change that by ensuring that people consider the option of not reproducing as valid, rational, and responsible in an ethical lifestyle.

00:18:53.040 Yeah.

00:18:53.280 Yeah, let's get rid of these people.

00:18:54.460 Like, I agree with this.

00:18:55.580 If you look at the top of their website, it's we want a future where creating biological children is no longer an expected norm or something most people casually do without putting substantial thought and investigation into it.

00:19:07.060 Where do I donate?

00:19:07.800 Yes.

00:19:08.500 We completely agree with this.

00:19:10.160 We want that future too.

00:19:13.080 You know –

00:19:13.440 Maybe I can just contribute by giving them better images.

00:19:17.000 No, you should say, hey, I'll take over your website for you.

00:19:19.960 I'll make it not look like garbage.

00:19:20.480 Let me help you.

00:19:21.680 Yes.

00:19:22.040 And – well, hold on.

00:19:25.420 Let's – do you want to do more ephilism? 0.73

00:19:28.060 Yeah.

00:19:29.680 Yeah. 0.55

00:19:30.720 Hit me.

00:19:31.920 Okay.

00:19:32.360 Well, this person's like, I'm a happy person and I'm an ephilist, right?

00:19:36.040 Because some people say that ephilist Redditors are just depressed people projecting their pessimistic worldview.

00:19:44.160 Well, I still hold the argument that – you know, they're like that this is prejudice.

00:19:48.640 And it's like, well, yeah, except realistically, the reason why this is one of the top posts here is because the vast majority of ephilists are not happy.

00:20:01.820 And, you know, even one of the posters on here says, is it really pure prejudice?

00:20:05.800 Though, if a high percentage of the posts and comments on here are from people who obviously are upset, distressed, depressed, or even razzle.

00:20:14.340 Yeah.

00:20:15.680 You know, it's like being like, oh, like, I'm a 10.

00:20:19.220 I'm an extremely attractive and smart male, but I'm still MGTOW.

00:20:23.180 Or, like, I'm still blackpilled.

00:20:24.780 Like, okay.

00:20:26.480 Oh.

00:20:26.760 Got to leave this sub, somebody says.

00:20:30.760 So let's see why they're leaving.

00:20:32.120 Okay.

00:20:32.640 Militant veganism is too much.

00:20:35.040 Militant veganism.

00:20:36.200 Oh.

00:20:39.000 Yeah.

00:20:39.580 So they're just being constantly attacked by their own community.

00:20:43.180 Oh.

00:20:43.660 Oh.

00:20:44.240 I see.

00:20:45.220 Yeah.

00:20:46.980 It's so –

00:20:47.880 What I am going to say, though, is when we had a debate with two antinatalists, they took us to a legit good vegan restaurant.

00:20:55.440 Oh, my –

00:20:55.720 I didn't know you could do vegan food that good.

00:20:58.200 So it's not all bad.

00:21:00.820 They're great people.

00:21:01.740 This is an interesting one.

00:21:02.820 How should an ideal ephilist live with an average IQ?

00:21:06.160 No, no, that's not that interesting.

00:21:08.740 I guess not much aside from not reproducing.

00:21:11.900 If you still want a family, adopt a kid.

00:21:14.180 Except they never adopt kids.

00:21:15.500 The people who adopt kids are always pronatalists. 0.98

00:21:17.260 I think we've been –

00:21:18.160 I asked on Twitter, and someone gave me one person.

00:21:22.320 One person.

00:21:23.480 So there was one once.

00:21:26.120 One person who?

00:21:27.760 Adopted.

00:21:28.680 One antinatalist who adopted.

00:21:30.680 Yeah.

00:21:31.100 Yeah.

00:21:31.300 But the vast majority, if you look, like, genuinely at the people who adopt lots of kids, often they have lots of kids as well.

00:21:36.620 Oh, no, no, no.

00:21:37.100 The biggest adopters are pronatalists who, like, already have a ton of kids.

00:21:40.300 And this is so common.

00:21:41.420 Like, if you watch Dream Home Makeover on Netflix with this, like, couple that – I think they're a Mormon couple, and they, like, redo the houses of really wealthy other Mormon couples who have a billion kids.

00:21:53.740 Like, it's super common to see, like, they've adopted some.

00:21:56.180 Same with, like, if you go on Instagram and look at really large families, like, you know, one or two or sometimes even more of the kids are obviously adopted.

00:22:05.660 Like, it's crazy.

00:22:07.320 By the way, speaking of, people are like, oh, antinatalists aren't depressed.

00:22:10.740 The effilists aren't depressed.

00:22:12.220 So here is the number one post on the effilist subreddit right now for the last month in terms of upvotes. 0.94

00:22:21.800 It's stupid how we're told to, quote, unquote, toughen up when we struggle with life. 0.97

00:22:25.700 But at the same time, we're not allowed to kill ourselves. 0.99

00:22:29.880 Wait.

00:22:31.100 Who says they're not allowed to kill themselves?

00:22:32.780 Yeah, and this is interesting.

00:22:35.980 I mean, they are true that society largely says they're not allowed to kill themselves, but not us.

00:22:40.580 I mean, we run the prenatalist movement.

00:22:42.220 We're largely seen as running it, and we are hugely pro people killing themselves.

00:22:47.800 Like, existence is a choice, but it's a choice to make for yourself and not for other people.

00:22:53.840 Yeah.

00:22:55.140 What are you waiting for, huh?

00:22:58.560 What are you waiting for?

00:23:00.520 What are you waiting for?

00:23:04.160 What am I waiting for?

00:23:06.000 What am I waiting for?

00:23:08.040 What are you waiting for? 1.00

00:23:09.560 Fuck you! 1.00

00:23:11.320 Oh, my God. 1.00

00:23:13.620 What are you waiting for?

00:23:16.260 What are you waiting for?

00:23:17.260 What are you waiting for?

00:23:17.760 What are you waiting for?

00:23:18.380 What are you waiting for?

00:23:18.760 Yeah.

00:23:19.540 Well, it's a choice you make for yourself with knowledge and, you know, time and thoughtfulness.

00:23:25.220 You know, we, I don't believe in impulsive suicide.

00:23:28.020 And I don't, you know, think that there are some people who are not of sound enough mind to make a good decision on that front.

00:23:33.580 Here's another one of the top posts.

00:23:35.540 You have to be somewhat blinded to the truth to stay alive in this hell world.

00:23:40.180 Life is all about pointless suffering and chasing pleasure to get temporary relief from suffering.

00:23:45.680 Then you pass on the torch to the next generation so they can repeat this cycle.

00:23:49.860 If you manage to do that, then you, quote unquote, won it, life.

00:23:52.860 Like, so I love this idea that life is all about pointless suffering and chasing pleasure to get temporary relief from this suffering. 1.00

00:24:02.260 It's like, speak for yourself, motherfucker. 0.98

00:24:05.100 Like, and that's, and that's the core reason that these people are so unhappy, I think, is, yeah, for them, that's really what life is all about. 0.99

00:24:13.080 It's about this pointless chasing.

00:24:16.200 It's about this pointless chasing.

00:24:18.040 And, and, and they, because that's what they think life is about, you know? 0.86

00:24:22.180 The children for them are just another source of masturbating their own egos and their own self-worth and their own happiness.

00:24:29.540 They do not understand, as one of my favorite comments ever underneath our own channel stated, it was, why are you worried that the future is going to be a worse place?

00:24:37.860 Why are you trying to make the future a better place if you are not personally going to get to experience it?

00:24:42.800 Well, this, I think, is the core difference between meaning pro-natalist and anti-natalist is this idea of, that's the point.

00:24:53.160 The truest form of happiness, the form of happiness that you personally have been unable to achieve yourself, comes from meaningfully living conscientiously and intellectually sound value systems.

00:25:07.940 When you know what's right and what's wrong and when you live by that value system and you don't have some sort of doubt, like it's not something that's meant to just justify what you wanted to do already.

00:25:19.040 When you are making actual sacrifices, both intellectual and personal, to make the world a better place and you see success in those endeavors, that creates a form of happiness that is more indelible and more persistent and more genuinely fulfilling than anything these anti-natalists can feel because they aren't living in that world.

00:25:41.780 And so they likely have really never experienced true happiness.

00:25:46.900 Yeah, but let's, so let's, let's talk about the, the broader issue, right?

00:25:50.580 The coming war, because I think this is, this is what matters. 0.97

00:25:53.300 And I do think that a problem that we will face with the pro-natalist movement is that a lot of people who would otherwise, who really probably want to have kids who, who would tend toward that lifestyle.

00:26:08.500 Like, look at me, right? Like I was raised in a very anti-natalist society.

00:26:13.580 You know, no one, none of the girls that I was friends with ever planned on being mothers or planned on getting married.

00:26:20.500 It was just not like part of life, right?

00:26:22.920 You, you maybe started a business and all this other cool stuff and you travel and have fun, but like you weren't going to become a parent.

00:26:29.220 I do think that this growing divide of like humanity bad versus no, let's have kids and families is going to be something that picks off a lot of people who would otherwise be amazing parents, love being parents, raise awesome children, you know, really enjoy this.

00:26:47.940 And people who will be a lot more miserable without that lifestyle, you know, how, how do we, how do we deal with that?

00:26:54.340 Like as, as pro-natalists, how do we head that off?

00:26:58.620 I mean, I think a lot of it comes down to our education reform work, right?

00:27:01.880 Like giving people a different pathway to become empowered professionals.

00:27:06.840 We need to take them out of the existing cultural framework because the existing cultural framework is toxic and what leads to this.

00:27:11.820 The dominant, the virus, the cult, whatever you want to call it, it is what's causing this.

00:27:15.920 And it is what is nurturing this, but, you know, I went to the most voted effilis things in the last year.

00:27:23.420 And they have a meme where it's a crying guy and then Chad guy and crying guy is saying, but to eliminate all suffering, we would have to destroy the earth.

00:27:32.000 And then Chad guy is saying, yes.

00:27:34.220 And it's titled beta philosophers of verse Sigma effilis.

00:27:38.200 And the first comment there is, but what about consent, you know, in silly letters, right?

00:27:42.960 And under that, it says, says people who impose suffering and death on every future generation without consent.

00:27:48.200 Like this, this is genuinely the stuff they think.

00:27:50.760 The next comment here, which I think is really interesting because it shows just how disgusting these people are as human beings is.

00:27:57.740 So they see, you know, Chad guy was a beard and everything like that being the good guy in a meme.

00:28:01.820 And they say, the idea of this meme is good, but the execution is disgusting. 1.00

00:28:06.840 Memes teach that this dude with the beard on the right is always the reference asshole, racist, sexist, homophobe, and so on. 1.00

00:28:14.040 Putting the ideas of effilism into the mouths of assholes is wrong. 1.00

00:28:17.100 Oh, they are so extreme that they see the guy that like everyone considers the good guy in these memes, the based guy in these memes. 0.98

00:28:26.460 And they're like, they just associate it with evil because they're living this like childish pursuit of the most infantile perspective of what good is and what evil is.

00:28:38.640 Yes, golly. Well, yeah. All right. So if this is the growing war, I guess the answer does come back to what we've been discussing in so, so, so, so many posts, which is just, all right, then we have to opt out of this.

00:28:52.940 Just opt out. Educate our kids separately. Build separate economies. Get out. Protect yourself while you can.

00:29:01.520 And, and, and eventually, you know, if these people do become a threat, if they do get access to AI and stuff like that, they can do what they want to do, which is Venus or destroy the planet.

00:29:10.620 We need to really keep in mind that there is a growing movement out there that wants to end all human life.

00:29:16.060 You know, that song where he's talking about the Soviets and he's like, you know, if they love their children too, they're, they're not going to end the world.

00:29:26.700 Anyway, if they love their children too, we'll be fine.

00:29:31.520 The problem is that these people don't have children and no, they don't love them. 0.99

00:29:46.160 And they really do want to kill you all. And they could end up in nuclear silos. They could end up in positions of power. 0.99

00:29:52.020 And we need to keep in mind just how dangerous the forces arrayed against us really are.

00:29:57.480 And we need to, as judiciously remove them from any position that they could use to destroy all life and remove consent from other individuals as quickly as possible.

00:30:08.440 Because, you know, while we try to be as pluralistic as possible, we need to understand that they want to remove consent from everyone.

00:30:14.720 Everyone. They are the, I think the truest and purest form of evil in the world today.

00:30:20.780 And it feels really good that there are enemies because I know I'm on the right side. 0.99

00:30:24.500 It's like you get to a Holocaust camp and you're like, oh, these guys are clearly the fucking bad guys. 0.98

00:30:28.340 You get to an FLS subreddit. You're like, oh, wow. 0.99

00:30:31.240 You could not more clearly signal that you're evil, but they are growing and they're growing faster than us.

00:30:36.700 Yeah. Yeah. Gird your loins, ladies and gentlemen. 1.00

00:30:39.920 And Malcolm, glad that I'm marching into the future with you.

00:30:43.720 It's sometimes a little scary, but...

00:30:45.680 Well, I got... Somebody has my back to the shield.

00:30:49.840 You always protect this family.

00:30:51.820 And I really appreciate that because I would not be able to take the aggressive moves that I am taking as an individual if you were not protecting us.

00:30:58.800 No, we won't escape the darkness unless you aggressively march us toward the light.

00:31:02.160 So thank you very much, Malcolm.

00:31:03.240 Shield and sword marriage.

00:31:04.860 There you go.

00:31:05.640 Yeah.

00:31:05.760 Love you.

Based Camp - January 03, 2024

Inside the Deranged Anti-Natalist Movement

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