Based Camp - Iran's Mass Deconversion： An Atheist Theocracy？

00:00:00.000 life after death only 30.3 percent of people in iran believe in life after death heaven and hell

00:00:05.960 30.1 percent when they asked religion so to give you an idea of how much disgust they have for

00:00:12.120 organized religion in the country even if they identify as a muslim only 27.8 percent believe

00:00:17.740 in religion more broadly so like less than the percent that are shia even the state religion

00:00:23.560 in force there are people who answered on this survey i am a shia muslim i don't believe in 0.98

00:00:30.940 religion that happened yes maybe because they consider themselves ethnically shia muslim or

00:00:36.440 maybe yeah that makes sense yeah yeah yeah yeah they just have so much like which i guess goes to

00:00:40.020 show like making the religion the rule kills the religion an overwhelming majority 90 percent

00:00:46.380 describe themselves as hailing from religious families so this happened within a generation

00:00:51.680 they lost like when people like how quickly could we really lose kids that quickly this isn't like

00:00:57.920 a oh you do this and they control the country for a few generations you went from 90 percent coming

00:01:03.680 from a religious family to a 27.8 percent saying that they identify as religious would you like to

00:01:10.400 know more hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today in today's episode we're going to be talking

00:01:15.900 about two things one is how iran has rapidly been losing its rate of religiosity with mass

00:01:25.180 deconversions we're talking like 40 only 40 percent of iran's population identifies as muslim now

00:01:32.100 oh my gosh okay so and this is in a religious theocratic state then we're going to be talking

00:01:39.400 about their crashing fertility rates like all of the efforts that they've been trying to do to

00:01:43.720 reverse this okay and i want to couch all of this in this idea that people have that if only their

00:01:49.840 religious group controlled the government of the country that they were in that they would be able 1.00

00:01:54.640 to do more to keep their religion alive and this in the united states this is an instinct i hear so

00:02:00.680 frequently from catholics and i point out that catholic majority countries have some of the lowest

00:02:05.220 fertility rates in the world they have some of the quickest deconversion rates in the world 1.00

00:02:08.720 and they're like well they're not enforcing their rules strictly enough if they enforce them even

00:02:14.940 more strictly it would fix these problems and i'm like well great counter example is iran so iran is

00:02:23.020 enforcing them more strictly than any of the catholic countries and it appears to have an increased

00:02:28.320 level and an increased rate of deconversion because of this in fact i will point out that it's not just

00:02:35.700 they're leaving islam fewer people in iran believe in god than in the united states oh my gosh okay so 0.81

00:02:44.440 they're not just converting out of the hard culture they are just nothing matters anymore nihilism

00:02:51.300 oh yeah and this is this is this is concentrated among younger populations as well so it's only got

00:02:55.980 to increase and the problem here and people get it through your head if you take control of a

00:03:03.220 government and try to force people to follow the tenets of your faith it causes mass deconverts

00:03:08.360 this is the core reason this inclination to do this by catholics is the core reason why their culture

00:03:14.940 is completely falling apart right now in terms of the areas where it has power right do not try to

00:03:22.660 force your pornography bans do not try to force your bans on whatever like all of these weird like

00:03:29.240 religious bans and everything like that and it's like oh if we can just ban all of this stuff we 0.95

00:03:33.960 can just ban gay people from getting married if we can ban you know it's like this actually causes 1.00

00:03:40.280 mass deconverts because yeah i think forcing people not the right thing when when when leaving

00:03:48.260 means death or social rejection yes but forcing it well no you know in iran if it's public it can mean

00:03:57.140 death but you're just not following the rules because there's a difference what there's a

00:04:04.060 difference between deconversion and not following the rules in islam deconvert is considered like 0.90

00:04:09.340 really really bad i'm pretty sure that you can you're supposed to be killed if you're deconvert by 0.90

00:04:13.840 sharia law it's not the same as being like a normal acs or a normal non-muslim i don't know why 0.58

00:04:18.000 are people responding that they are no longer religious because that's how much they disrespect

00:04:22.680 the space the the the the state we're going to go over this is like 40 000 people in this study

00:04:27.780 so you know not a small population sample either as a note here while it is not specifically illegal in

00:04:35.740 iran to deconvert the way iranian law works is wherever something isn't specifically in the legal code

00:04:42.760 judges are allowed to refer to sharia law so it is functionally both illegal and the death penalty

00:04:49.760 to deconvert in iran and i just think that what you're seeing here is a mass knowledge that yeah

00:04:55.020 well nobody really believes that anymore and i think it's really easy to see why and i want to get

00:04:59.280 people in this mindset before we go into the data because it's going to be very data heavy okay

00:05:03.240 you're a kid you grew up in a state right your parents don't feel the need to really

00:05:11.140 in one teach you how to resist people trying to deconvert you teach you why your traditions are

00:05:17.980 valuable teach you why all of the restrictions of your traditions are valuable because the state does

00:05:23.140 that right like this is the thing that the state does this is the thing that your local mosque is 0.61

00:05:27.460 going to do this is the thing that you're so then you get online because you have access to the internet

00:05:32.040 and you see all of these arguments against all of this and all of this to you it doesn't just feel

00:05:39.080 silly like it feels bureaucratic to you the reason why you wear the veil the reason why you do the x

00:05:46.680 it's because it's the law of the government it's lost any sort of like religious magic it is now 0.98

00:05:53.100 just what you have to do you don't not use porn because you don't use porn and that's a thing that

00:06:02.080 you do for god and to be a good person and you don't do it because it's the law all right and then

00:06:08.100 when you're breaking that you're not breaking a religious rule you're breaking a legal rule

00:06:12.940 and it's much easier to start breaking legal rules from an individual moral perspective than

00:06:20.640 religious rules yeah i think it's a lot like the that study that they did with parents and preschool

00:06:25.540 pickup times where they thought oh it really sucks that parents aren't picking their kids up from

00:06:30.320 preschool on time so let's just charge an extra fee per minute that they're late kid and then what

00:06:38.240 happens suddenly everyone is super late picking up their kids because now it's not a moral i'm a

00:06:45.140 shitty person for picking up my kid late kind of thing it's a oh there's a fee i'll just pay the fee

00:06:51.600 and yeah you're right i think making it statutory making it unromantic making it less about your

00:06:57.660 self-image and your morality and who you are as a person and more about these are the rules

00:07:02.560 and these are the costs of breaking them ruins it yeah yeah so let's and to give an idea of what

00:07:10.060 this has had on their fertility rate by the way in 2022 iran's deputy health minister warned that the

00:07:15.340 country could fall into a quote-unquote demographic a black hole was it doesn't sound good

00:07:21.920 in 2024 projections indicated that iran's population could potentially have by the end of the century

00:07:28.180 was nearly half of the country classified as elderly by then gosh this is not good

00:07:35.000 who's gonna be supporting them they're gonna they're gonna need to go full logan's run like

00:07:39.840 this is people who don't know logan's run and logan's run it's a world where they have to kill

00:07:43.160 everyone after a certain age because you cannot support a population where half of it is on social

00:07:48.840 security yeah all right so this is from a piece uh really interesting piece because they really

00:07:56.660 struggled to get an idea of what iranians actually believed because the government says 99.5 percent

00:08:03.620 of the population is muslim and they're like that doesn't seem right and you can't exactly knock 1.00

00:08:08.120 door to door and so they developed this sophisticated system for actually getting really you know good

00:08:13.860 data on what people of iran sought through a survey mechanism that ended up recruiting 40 000 people

00:08:19.560 over the age of 19 and they used a number of demographic variables to assure that they were collecting

00:08:25.640 a representative sample of the country i don't want to go into all of that just know that like

00:08:29.220 they are doing that in terms of the big thing that has changed it's been the growth of internet

00:08:36.920 with 70 of adults in the country now using at least one social media platform so ideas that are

00:08:42.820 completely permissive in society here and another thing i note here is we want to talk about why and

00:08:49.660 what i want to investigate here is why at the end why in israel are people staying so strong to the

00:08:54.980 face when iran they're leaving the face you know if you have two semi-theocratic governments 0.95

00:08:59.820 why does islam suck so much when compared to judaism at retaining membership and it appears it sucks even 1.00

00:09:08.960 more than catholicism when it's in control it appears that muslims really only work when they're a minority 1.00

00:09:14.600 population in an environment or an incredibly poor population poorer than iran

00:09:18.800 do you think they would do better in as a small group within a hostile environment i mean that's

00:09:28.040 part of why we think maybe i do i do yeah i mean when when you feel like there's something to fight

00:09:33.180 for when you feel like there's some pride in you being you because it's not the default it's the

00:09:38.160 exception it's what makes you exceptional and special right yeah 100 but i think that some

00:09:44.820 religions are like built for the fight and when you don't have the fight they fall apart islam requires 1.00

00:09:52.140 an enemy to work it i won't say it's kind of like nazis but like sometimes a government is set up where

00:09:58.960 it's an ideology that really requires a consistent battle and fight to stay healthy and the version of

00:10:06.040 islam that they are practicing iran it worked really well when it was fighting against the shah when it

00:10:10.280 was fighting against a you know it doesn't work well when they control everything and it's only

00:10:16.180 fighting outsiders who most people see as like a more conceptual threat than real threat it's not like

00:10:22.080 iran has been seriously attacked by outsiders in a very very long time in fact the government might do 1.00

00:10:28.660 well by letting outsiders attack it and have a war there instead of you know don't shouldn't they be

00:10:34.840 able to leverage what's happening geopolitically in the area to do that i guess not because they're

00:10:41.500 more acting as the aggressor in all cases the u.s are going to attack you for decades half a century 0.73

00:10:47.260 at this point people are like yeah sure like you've been telling us the u.s is a great satan forever

00:10:52.240 like it really does not feel like they care that much and israel has done a very good job while it

00:10:57.720 attacks iran's nuclear scientists regularly it doesn't do much to terrorize the average person to make

00:11:03.740 them feel like israel is really their existential enemy yeah a great example of this is how religious 1.00

00:11:10.600 ireland was during the times of conflict but after those were settled how quickly religiosity began to

00:11:16.620 drop pretty dramatically so um oh sorry for people who might not know for a long time ireland was

00:11:23.040 basically a hot war between a catholic and protestant population with the catholics being the majority group

00:11:28.940 that were being in their mind oppressed by uh protestant outsiders and a protestant minority

00:11:35.700 population so if you go back to 2006 90 percent of ireland identified as catholic and now 2022

00:11:44.620 it's only 69 percent so you get a rapid drop and i have actually noticed this that the forms of

00:11:51.200 catholicism that come out of regions where they had consistent and persistent conflict with protestants

00:11:56.940 up until recently are typically stronger than the forms of catholicism where the catholics controlled

00:12:04.060 everything this is generally northern europe catholicism versus southern europe catholicism

00:12:10.220 and it's the same with forms of protestantism the forms of protestantism where they were in conflict

00:12:16.740 with other religious groups and you needed to define yourself as protestant against some alternative

00:12:22.220 that's where you got stronger sort of channels of the protestant tradition but again this all seems

00:12:28.120 intuitive to me as to why this would be the case i mean i'm just considering myself growing up if i knew

00:12:33.520 there was an active war between protestants and catholics in my area i'm gonna spend a lot of time 0.95

00:12:38.500 figuring out what it means to be either a catholic or a protestant and invest in that if i know that

00:12:44.680 everyone in my area is just by default x well then if my teen rebellion phase i'm gonna rebel against x

00:12:52.920 because that's just the authority that's what everyone does and i will intergenerationally lose

00:12:58.020 my faith really quickly so in contrast with state propaganda that portray iran is a shia nation

00:13:06.280 only 32 percent explicitly identified as shia while five percent said they were sunni muslim

00:13:11.600 three percent sufi muslim another nine percent said they were atheist along with seven percent who

00:13:18.060 prefer the label of spirituality among other neglected religions eight percent said they were

00:13:22.940 zoroastrian which we interpret as a reflection of persian nationalism and a desire for an alternative

00:13:28.180 to islam rather than a strict zoroastrian face well 1.5 said they were christian and some people

00:13:34.280 know we consider zoroastrianism as one of the true face i i note here like this means that if you're

00:13:39.840 looking at the atheist plus spiritualist plus zero astrian face there it's almost as big as the 0.69

00:13:47.100 shia muslim population that is really crazy because you're i always thought of iran as

00:13:54.340 shia that's crazy okay hold on it's bigger yeah no actually if you include agnostics let's see i i can do 0.98

00:14:04.080 the math here yeah it might be bigger than the shia population which is crazy oh oh none none is huge 1.00

00:14:10.160 sorry atheist is 8.8 percent none is 22.2 percent oh just just none plus atheist plus agnostic is

00:14:23.900 bigger than shia oh they they are really losing god okay that's that you think a lot of this is just a

00:14:32.740 lack of hope for the future i it's hard for me to say the the only iranian person i've met

00:14:37.080 that woman we met through renaissance weekend who were super like iran is great i love iran

00:14:43.360 i mean she also was in the united states and not planning to go back to iran i'm not exactly sure

00:14:47.780 it was going on there maybe she kind of came from an iran that is gone now but no because those

00:14:54.540 iranians typically are like not i mean they're not pro-iran in the way that you're thinking so

00:14:58.740 there's like modern iranians who are pro-iran and i know this group okay i have friends in this group

00:15:02.860 but i also have persian friends persians are the earlier immigrant group who we've joked about them

00:15:08.500 in previous episodes culturally they are very different from what you would think of as other

00:15:13.080 muslim populations and they are a very secularized population they are very consumerist secularized

00:15:19.660 mercantile not like you typically would stereotype most muslims and i think that islam as a religion

00:15:26.700 you almost could argue it might have converted this region but it was never really optimized for 0.57

00:15:32.320 this cultural or ethnic group and so as soon as they leave an environment that is you know forcing 1.00

00:15:39.920 it on them they leave or or as soon as they have access to external technology they leave their

00:15:43.820 religion i just think that there isn't a strong harmony between the persian ethnicity and the islamic

00:15:50.980 religion jahar my friend there are a lot of beautiful women out here today 1.00

00:15:55.400 karim my friend you speak the truth i do what i can

00:16:00.400 oh wow right blip shabloimps 0.88

00:16:06.800 they don't look persian sure they do just have to gel the hair

00:16:12.440 put on a silk shirt some gold chains and tons of cologne

00:16:19.820 persian see wow i almost feel like actually like zero astrianism like zero astrianism seems to work

00:16:30.560 for persians and i'm talking about like a harmony between a a religious system and an ethnic group

00:16:35.120 the the audaciousness of all the fire stuff and all that like come on it's very let's get my gold

00:16:43.120 curtain rod all they want is to make the place really nice we're going to put down some lovely

00:16:48.160 blue carpet and gold curtain rods i know it i know it we often argue that trump is is is is a persian

00:16:56.240 he's a he's a persian soul that somehow yeah persian aesthetics yeah he's trans trans persian

00:17:02.220 if i walked into the house and i and you showed me you're like if you show me like okay

00:17:07.920 he walked through his house and you were like what is the ethnicity of the person who owns this abode

00:17:13.360 no not even i mean i walked into a trump house right okay and there was a persian guy there and

00:17:18.720 there was a white guy there and the white guy said this is my house a guy who looked like trump

00:17:23.220 said this is my house i'd actually start laughing i'd assume it was a joke i'd be like you you cannot

00:17:29.140 be serious this is obviously this guy's house but anyway as i said trump is our first persian

00:17:36.280 president i really yeah i i love i've never seen this i've seen plenty of biographies of trump

00:17:41.440 i've never seen any analyses of the trump interior decorating aesthetic which is really a thing

00:17:48.740 you know it's it is a distinct thing he has a sense of style it's consistent his choice

00:17:53.140 version too his wives act like persian girls who i've seen before yeah but where so where did this 1.00

00:17:59.400 aesthetic come from because he was i would not be surprised at military high school i mean you'd

00:18:05.260 think it'd be very waspy very ralph lauren very you know like a sort of classic kennedy american like

00:18:11.580 he grew up in new york adjacent to the real estate industry okay and okay how do i say this without

00:18:18.960 coming off is so the real estate industry when contrasted with other industries attracts a lot

00:18:25.160 of people who like the type of industries that attract let's say mercantile people like car sales

00:18:32.940 okay let's say okay i'll put this differently if you look for example at real estate reality tv shows

00:18:38.600 it is known for ostentatiousness it is known for the over-the-top brand designer outfits and spending

00:18:45.620 and i guess there's a high correlation you're trying to say between the most ostentatious way

00:18:51.960 that someone could show their wealth and persian aesthetics and there just happens to okay that is

00:18:58.060 not what i'm saying i am saying that persians would disproportionately be in industries that are

00:19:04.380 low-tech high mercantilism like real estate car sales stuff like that that's generally what i've seen

00:19:11.260 rug sales is something they're known for like persians seem to do really good at low-tech 1.00

00:19:17.100 mercantile industries and that is the industry that donald trump cut his teeth in that is the

00:19:22.080 industry he was raised in i would not be surprised if he had a lot of persian uh or farsi or whatever

00:19:29.360 you want to say formative friends in his life where he developed his aesthetics in both the women that

00:19:35.700 he chose great dinner parties and was like where'd you get this table and they're like that is my read

00:19:41.460 of where because i cannot like genuinely it is baffling to me like you're like oh you had a boarding

00:19:47.280 school if i was invited to a friend's house and it looked like this you'd be making fun of them for

00:19:52.420 weeks right so i went to an ai and i first put in wealthy wasp interior design and this is what it

00:19:59.620 looked like and then i put in wealthy persian interior design and here is what it looked like

00:20:04.940 like even look at the accents on the chairs and stuff like that they are exactly coded to trump's

00:20:10.680 taste and i'd say that for me just the real sin trump's interior decorating and how i know that he did

00:20:17.600 not grow up coding to waspy culture is there are no random pictures of boats or cottages or horses

00:20:27.780 or overly expensive model boats and by the way i am joking here i i as little as i get the golden

00:20:36.820 curtains that you see in persian interior design i also do not get the pictures of boats and horses

00:20:43.540 and random cottages that you see in waspy interior design it makes why are you doing that did you did you

00:20:52.460 live on this boat no you didn't why boat is it just like the safe thing to have a picture of

00:20:58.920 yeah i wonder what the houses he grew up in looked like as well because i doubt that they looked

00:21:03.640 like the the houses that he paints now but anyway it's interesting yeah but anyway the point here i'm

00:21:11.120 making is i'm pretty sure or i would be genuinely surprised if this wasn't directly picked up from

00:21:17.020 persian because like if you look at persian women like you know i i obviously i have a lot i've had 1.00

00:21:24.140 a lot of in college farsi friends because it was like a common thing at saint andrews this big group

00:21:27.960 and anyway uh they're very big in dc they have a pretty big presence there and anyway so their women 0.99

00:21:33.940 are hyper sexualized often in terms of like when you see it on the reality tv shows and stuff like that

00:21:40.240 when you see a persian woman right you know a very new jersey fight i guess i'd say but like a little 1.00

00:21:45.580 higher class than that which really looks like the women who donald trump goes after 0.99

00:21:49.280 uh and attractive i'm not gonna lie like they're they're an attractive group they're definitely not

00:21:55.520 a an issue there but i think many people are like how can you say that his women are persian in

00:22:00.520 aesthetics and not european when they are european women and i'm like okay well they're eastern european 0.98

00:22:05.920 women and they one and two they would not be seen as high class for example if you took your kids 1.00

00:22:13.880 home from boarding school and they met women who looked like most of his wives again they they you 1.00

00:22:19.620 get made fun of right like if i took my friends to my house and i had a mom like his his wife um i'm

00:22:26.180 actually thinking of that scene in legally blonde where el woods is looking at like a yearbook or

00:22:33.520 something of the the kind of woman that her ex-boyfriend is is trying to date because he's trying

00:22:42.080 to become like a waspy politician yeah just like you know more more unfortunate looking women and 1.00

00:22:48.040 she's like dumpy looking and like yeah unfortunate yeah yeah yeah you are if you're dating in these 1.00

00:22:53.620 waspy circles which i learned to code switch to at a young age right like growing up in one of these

00:22:57.360 political families that scene is very accurate as to what you are told to look for right not this

00:23:03.720 ostentatious ultra feminized version of of a woman right right because that's who you have your 1.00

00:23:09.720 affairs with not yes very yeah he's marrying the people he's supposed to be having affairs with

00:23:16.060 no well i think he's just like i think he's a businessman he's like why can't i have my

00:23:22.700 pay can eat it too i'm gonna marry the person i want to have the affair with and i'm gonna have 0.96

00:23:26.020 affairs with additional ones because why would i want to have one that's not also hot right that's

00:23:32.440 logical and again i i pass no i'm just talking like cultural normativity i i refuse to believe

00:23:37.960 that he got this from like wasp culture in a boarding school there was some other influence

00:23:43.300 in this man's life but anyway it definitely did not come from wasp culture because there's no way

00:23:47.580 that that could come from wasp culture we can all agree that it didn't come from wasp wasp culture

00:23:53.140 i mean even like benjamin franklin who loved hanging around versailles right is is is inventing the

00:23:59.760 highly practical things like the franklin stove you know he's you know he's not out there

00:24:05.120 making gilded devices he's making highly practical money saving devices it's not an american thing

00:24:12.080 actually if anyone in the comments has any ideas here i would love to hear them where did donald trump

00:24:17.220 pick up his persian aesthetics anyway where were we iran anyway which of the following do you believe

00:24:23.160 in we're going over some stats here okay okay so 78.3 believe in god compared to the u.s which dipped to

00:24:29.660 a new low of 81 percent recently so many more americans believe in god life after death only 30.3

00:24:36.660 percent of people in iran believe in life after death less than 40 percent of people in iran believe in

00:24:42.960 life after death that is wild like out of all the religions they're like it's probably no life after 0.92

00:24:48.220 death heaven and hell 30.1 percent less than a third interesting when they asked religion so to give

00:24:58.920 you an idea of how much disgust they have for organized religion in the country even if they

00:25:02.120 identify as a muslim only 27.8 percent believe in religion more broadly so like less than the

00:25:10.040 percent that are shia even the state religion there are people who answered on this survey

00:25:16.500 i am a shia muslim i don't believe in religion that happened yes maybe because they consider

00:25:23.180 themselves ethnically shia muslim or maybe yeah that makes sense yeah yeah yeah yeah they just

00:25:26.880 have so much like which i guess goes to show like making the religion the rule kills the religion

00:25:33.040 now now people lose their religion because it's the rule it's i'm like i'm you know i'm a democrat

00:25:37.780 but i don't believe in any democratic policies you know because it's a like technical thing and

00:25:42.320 yeah i get yeah but the point being is like i tell people you don't want to enforce this porn ban 0.94

00:25:48.820 and they're like oh you're doing this for your own degenerate means i'm like fucking look at the 0.95

00:25:53.980 data stop being i'm trying to help you you you will lose everything if you do this stop trying to 0.99

00:26:03.000 enforce your you do not want to ban gay marriage no no no this isn't about allying with gay people

00:26:09.840 even though i don't have a problem with gay people i'm just saying and i wouldn't want my kids to be 1.00

00:26:13.240 gay like that's okay right like you can have you can have a cultural expectation for your own

00:26:17.940 family that doesn't apply to other people's families okay but when you attempt to apply 0.65

00:26:23.420 to other people's families that's when you lose your own family in your entire culture

00:26:26.980 i would note here that this didn't used to be the case this specifically emerged as a case because of

00:26:32.660 the internet and the ease of finding alternate social environments if you are feeling ostracized from

00:26:40.300 your birth environment and the aggressive memes which spread online which will attempt to actively

00:26:48.420 deconvert your children but here's something i find really interesting here jen so jen is like 0.83

00:26:53.860 ghosts or like genies 25.7 believe in them so only a little less than believe in religion so you still

00:27:00.280 get the folk tales and everything like that it's the organized religion that dies first not a people's

00:27:04.460 willingness to believe in the supernatural when you would try to force these values on people

00:27:08.660 becoming a mankind savior 25.6 percent um but yeah now these numbers demonstrate that a general

00:27:18.020 process of secularization known to encourage religious diversity is taking place in iran

00:27:22.200 an overwhelming majority 90 percent describe themselves as hailing from believing or practicing

00:27:27.580 religious families so this happened within a generation they lost like when people like how quickly 1.00

00:27:34.120 could we really lose kids that quickly this isn't like a oh you do this and they control the country

00:27:39.460 for a few generations you went from 90 coming from a religious family to a 27.8 saying that they

00:27:47.320 identify as religious 47 report losing religion in their lifetime and 6 said they changed from one

00:27:54.860 religion to another in their lifetime with younger people reporting higher levels of irreligiosity and

00:27:59.560 conversions to christianity than older correspondents um and here i'm putting a a graph on screen that

00:28:05.480 talks about some of this and so you can see that this is a phenomenon that is primarily among young

00:28:10.680 people i went from being religious to non-religious and yeah what's interesting here is that it's not

00:28:16.760 that much bigger in university educated people versus non-university educated people in iran

00:28:21.080 and i think that that's the danger of state control which is to say that for university educated

00:28:27.000 people is 51 percent non-university educated it was 45.2 percent also here urban versus rural not as

00:28:34.060 big as you'd think urban 48.3 percent left religion rural 41.1 percent left religion so if you're like

00:28:41.360 oh well if i live rurally they'll be safe 41.1 percent rural left religion and here you also see the

00:28:47.180 trend that we see historically is it much more likely for men to leave religion than women but 49.9

00:28:52.120 0.1 percent of men 0.1 percent away from 50 percent of men left their religion if they were raised

00:28:58.200 religious whereas it was women it was 43.4 percent is that wild 0.99

00:29:03.660 this is just hard for me to believe it it's so much worse than i could have imagined if you if you

00:29:11.760 had me at the beginning of this conversation make some broad guesses as to how bad it is i wouldn't get

00:29:18.680 to this level i'd be like well maybe half half are not religious yeah no it's it's it's it's shocking

00:29:25.580 and it shows how apocalyptic it is to attempt to enforce religion through a state it does not work

00:29:33.900 especially in the age of the internet or it might be exclusively in the age of the internet i don't

00:29:38.160 know but you know one of my ancestors oliver cronwell learned this and it's one of the reasons

00:29:42.720 why i'm so fastidiously against it is i feel that we need to intergenerationally learn from our

00:29:47.500 mistakes and yes i mean yes art should be sinful yes music should be sinful yes video games are

00:29:54.280 sinful and if we had a state that banned all of these and everyone agreed with that and it worked

00:29:58.740 to just ban them all we'd have a more moral state and he tried that you know he tried to ban

00:30:03.080 art and music and singing and plays and all of that and christmas and all of these sinful things

00:30:11.340 right um but what we learned is that that causes an opposite effect to the effect you expect it to

00:30:17.720 have and that we need to learn to live in harmony with sin and just not aggrandize it instead of

00:30:24.700 banning it that appears to lead to very negative effects but anyway a third said they occasionally

00:30:30.800 drink alcohol in a country that legally enforces temperance wild it's so hard to get alcohol in

00:30:35.820 muslim countries too how do they yeah i wonder if it's just moonshine or something else some black 1.00

00:30:42.900 market over 60 said they do not practice their obligatorily daily muslim prayers um synchronous

00:30:49.880 was a 2020 state-backed poll in which 60 reported to not observing the fast during ramadan the majority

00:30:56.340 due to being quote-unquote sick but but the state-backed poll shows that this data is likely accurate

00:31:01.820 right because it's it's matching numbers here in comparison a comprehensive survey conducted in

00:31:07.440 1974 before the islamic revolution over 80 said they prayed and observes the fast

00:31:13.440 the very last thing you want is for your religion to take over 1.00

00:31:20.360 to the integralists out there you will fail even harder than you're failing right now

00:31:27.300 for sure we found a societal secularization was also linked to a critical view of religious

00:31:34.860 governance system 68 agreed that religious prescriptions should be excluded from legislation

00:31:40.360 even if they hold a parliamentary majority so okay around 70 percent of people in iran

00:31:46.840 presumably a theocracy said that even if the religious side holds a majority they should not

00:31:52.960 be able to post religious laws do you see how crazy that is but i also think this shows you

00:32:01.720 the nature of the persian people as well where i'm like persians and islam there never has been

00:32:06.920 like a well-matched ethnicity and religion here and 72 percent oppose the law mandating all women

00:32:13.920 wear a hijab the islamic veil 72 percent oppose that so you get what 28 who are for this law 0.96

00:32:22.240 like nobody yeah what's it gonna take then for that to be reversed i mean obviously there were

00:32:27.720 major protests about this and then nothing happened most opposed government needs to be replaced and

00:32:34.260 and they're getting scared now they're getting scared because of trump and a lot of people they

00:32:37.560 they consider trump like because he's actually hard on them he actually like and they've gotten

00:32:41.300 to a state now where peter zaihan you know fervent anti-trumper was doing a piece on iran is

00:32:46.820 seriously at risk of collapsing like their current government if they can't figure out a way to do

00:32:50.940 deal with trump yeah and they're panicking apparently about this well they should be i

00:32:56.000 mean china's also sort of preemptively i think starting to hurt i mean it's hurting from trump's

00:33:01.560 last policies i've been somehow youtube discovered in my algorithm that i'm interested in what's going

00:33:09.340 on in china and i'm just getting constant recommended videos about how the middle class can no longer

00:33:15.940 support themselves that people with designer bags are doing gig work on rented e-bikes and people

00:33:23.400 aren't able to afford their rental properties anymore they're going bankrupt and you know a lot

00:33:30.240 of this is is sagging demand due to a growing old population that just doesn't consume as much 0.98

00:33:35.000 but a huge amount of this as well is that still china exports more than it imports and

00:33:41.180 they're gonna have even more trouble with trump's tariffs so yeah a lot of countries that have been

00:33:49.500 gaming the system are gonna have a tough time of it with trump because he actually enforces this 0.98

00:33:54.720 shit and people are beginning to freak out uh in a lot of countries and could this lead to 0.97

00:33:59.660 government's changes i mean i hope i want the ccp to change i want iran's government to change 0.97

00:34:04.660 i think iran actually from a disposition perspective has a if you like pulled the average iranian you're

00:34:12.600 going to get a country that would be an amazing ally to either the united states or israel right so

00:34:18.320 if iran just had a a bloodless revolution and basically the will of the people as we understand

00:34:28.340 it though who knows if our understanding is accurate was actually executed upon and it became a more

00:34:35.480 we'll say socially open and zoroastrian leaning culturally i i'd love a zoroastrian theocratic state

00:34:44.600 but but not by rule just by theme not by rule yeah and and they they became allies suddenly

00:34:52.000 israel and the united states they would thrive can it happen no because nothing ever works out that

00:35:01.060 nicely well what what would have to happen for that to happen i i guess the entrenched bureaucracy 0.90

00:35:07.180 the entrenched leadership they would all just have to be killed suddenly they will have to suddenly die

00:35:13.860 because you can't yeah there's no way they're going to let go a grip of power no there's no way

00:35:20.120 right um and there is no way simone simone i mean if we're talking logically here right it's not like

00:35:29.260 that there's some other country they would have a vested interest in all the leaders of iran randomly

00:35:35.020 dying on one day that has shown the capacity to achieve feats like that in the past that that

00:35:41.640 that wouldn't happen right they're not all going to suddenly get window cancer like in pager cancer

00:35:47.200 you know i'm just saying stranger things have happened to the enemies of this particular country

00:35:55.280 then then randomly oh it's so weird they all were dead one day and zoroastrian bob found himself in

00:36:03.040 the capital what was that keep in mind the zoroastrian population is only like one third the size of the

00:36:09.760 shia population and a persian nationalist zoroastrian iranian regime i think would be very interesting

00:36:16.440 from a geopolitical perspective because i think it would find a lot of common alliance with

00:36:21.640 many of the the power but but again they're shrinking so let's go into their fertility situation

00:36:26.960 here right okay oh but before we go into that in terms of religious diversity 43 said that no religion

00:36:33.280 should have the right to proselytize in public oh sorry almost half of people in a theocratic

00:36:39.180 dictatorship said that almost no that no one should be legally allowed to proselytize in public

00:36:44.300 wait and 41 percent believe that every religion should be able to proselytize in public so that

00:36:53.560 the group that thinks that only muslims should be is what like like five percent there or something

00:36:58.120 yeah yeah not great so iran implemented like very strict fertility restrictions in 1989 they

00:37:09.760 implement a bunch of antinatalist policy yeah they're they're a great case study in why it's

00:37:14.820 extremely hard to reverse antinatalist policies after they've been heavily implemented so for

00:37:20.440 at least a decade they basically like read the population bomb and were like oh my god we've got

00:37:26.680 to do something about this and they did and they were very effective and now they're discovering you can't

00:37:31.060 just turn that around yeah in context so from 1968 to the country doubled its population from 27 million to

00:37:38.140 55 million and they were like how are we going to keep feeding these people if we keep doubling like

00:37:42.980 this right because again population bomb it all made sense and at the time i don't believe people 0.57

00:37:46.740 were being stupid and the uh specific measures that they put in place here i find pretty interesting 0.57

00:37:52.580 uh they had a family planning program reintroduction in 1989 where they that had been dismantled after 0.98

00:37:59.220 the islamic revolution actually so this is after the islamic revolution when all this stuff was put in place

00:38:03.240 they built a two-child family model the government began promoting a two-child family model and a

00:38:08.260 slowdown of population group growth they began to increase the the the availability of contraceptives

00:38:15.900 the ayatollah komemi in 1980 issued a fatwa or religious edict that declared islam permits the use

00:38:24.160 of contraceptives providing religious backing for family planning support they were in a media campaign

00:38:30.120 the government launched a media campaign encouraging women to limit their number of children

00:38:33.320 and space out their pregnancies by three to four years to avoid pregnancy under 18 and over 35 so

00:38:39.760 basically really limiting the number of kids they could have can you imagine limiting pregnancies

00:38:45.200 at three you'd be so sad well also it's just it leads to poor family dynamics if you have kids that

00:38:52.840 are so far apart in age it's so much better to feel like back to back even if you're having only two

00:38:57.660 you're better off back to back well i'm just glad that you're autistic and this is your special

00:39:02.460 interest so this led to a fertility crash so in 1980 they had a genuinely unsustainable number of

00:39:08.780 children 6.58 average children per per woman in 1988 it had fallen to 5.5 by 1996 it had fallen to 2.8

00:39:17.940 in in 2000 it had fallen to 2.1 and now it's at 1.6 but by what's not counted here is by 2012 it had

00:39:28.000 fallen to 1.6 so a long time ago by 2012 like more than a decade ago at this point it had already fallen

00:39:34.340 to this disastrous level of fertility and what's interesting about iran is they were one of the 0.78

00:39:38.960 first countries to recognize this and so they tried to reverse this all right so what did they start to

00:39:45.320 do they started to and i i think that this is really interesting they reversed the anti-natalist

00:39:51.400 policies but they also do you know in iran you get free land for families with three children or more

00:39:57.040 so like two acres and a mule but for having babies for house construction and childbearing and marriage 1.00

00:40:03.680 loans adjusted for economic conditions so so yeah i i've asked more about this free land thing i'm like

00:40:08.900 wait whoa whoa what yeah as of 2024 approximately 80 000 families have taken advantage of this

00:40:17.440 so this is a widely implemented policy yeah they're going for it in cities with under half a million

00:40:22.640 people couples who have their third child are allocated land given half to the mother and half

00:40:29.020 to the father so they're allocated land in the city for cities with over half a million people

00:40:33.880 people with over three children are given land in a nearby area or a smaller city or a new city

00:40:40.160 so maybe you could build a rental property on it i guess what why would you have a rental property in

00:40:45.760 a city that hasn't been developed yet it's yeah that seems kind of in the area well i also understand

00:40:50.360 you can't afford to give them land in the city that they yeah but i mean again this isn't it's not

00:40:55.480 going to change a family's decision on having kids that's not going to boost fertility as we have 0.54

00:41:02.040 pointed out you cannot get fertility up with handouts yeah it has to be religion and that's

00:41:08.260 what they lost was faith because you tried to force it on them rather than giving them a reason

00:41:13.720 to believe which is what this channel is all about the exact opposite approach of iran okay health care

00:41:21.500 support they gave free insurance coverage to rural mothers with three or more children increased the

00:41:26.580 number of infertility treatment shindlers 90 of insurance coverage for infertility treatments

00:41:31.380 in government centers that's a great policy by the way legal and social measures and nine months

00:41:36.760 of maternity leave for wonder for women efforts to prevent illegal abortions promoting easy marriages 0.99

00:41:43.060 and they've done media campaigns and they've done education initiatives and in 2021 they outlawed

00:41:50.640 sterilization they banned free distribution of contraceptives they restricted access to abortion

00:41:56.560 and they mandated collection and sharing of patients fertility and pregnancy histories

00:42:01.700 in 2023 to 2024 the population use bill partial penalties for abortion criminalization of providing

00:42:09.340 abortion services or related information discriminatory workplace practices favoring men so now they're

00:42:14.580 like actively discriminating against women and this is what we tell people cannot find a way

00:42:19.200 to make gender egalitarian cultures they will not exist in the future and we will see 0.99

00:42:24.360 a rapid erosion of women's rights in our generation the only and most feminist thing you can do is have 1.00

00:42:31.140 kids lots lots of kids not like two kids like a reasonable number like eight kids okay if you're

00:42:36.740 really if you're having less than five kids can you call yourself a feminist anymore i don't think so 1.00

00:42:42.020 you're a grifter who is who is writing on the petticoats of previous women who did the actually

00:42:48.900 challenging stuff so that you could surf on it right now these measures have significantly impacted

00:42:55.840 uh women's reproductive rights anyway your thoughts simone 0.95

00:43:00.880 we need to remember when looking at pernatalist policies that there people have different definitions

00:43:09.620 of pernatalism some people hear pernatalism and they think family friendly and that's fine and

00:43:15.360 valid when we talk about pernatalism we talk about that which increases birth rates there are lots of

00:43:21.260 policies that we would love personally that are very family friendly i would love to be given free land

00:43:26.460 for each kid we have i would love to be given tax breaks and handouts and free child care and all

00:43:32.540 sorts of benefits but it that isn't going to increase birth rates and i think that that's a really

00:43:38.460 important thing is is just because something is family friendly doesn't mean that it will make

00:43:42.420 families bigger or help families become bigger yeah well i think that that honestly the only

00:43:48.720 solution is culture and religion but that is not done through forcing your religion on people people

00:43:55.180 who think oh we just forced harder if we just pushed harder it's like no it's the exact opposite effect

00:43:59.940 what you need to do is you need to as your religion has done historically like i mentioned catholics

00:44:06.480 here right like catholics are like but our religion never updates and i'm like well this life begins

00:44:10.840 the conception thing is something that you started about 200 years ago as pope pius the ninth it was

00:44:14.960 not something your historic thinkers thought and people are like nitpicking they're like well they

00:44:19.680 were definitely anti-abortion even if they thought life began at conception or they weren't sure about

00:44:24.160 that i'm like yeah but it wasn't a hard policy this is a new thing but it was created if you look

00:44:29.760 at the early thinkers because somebody you know was telling me they're like well you know while they

00:44:34.600 were anti-abortion but they thought these dates and i was like okay if you told thomas aquinas or

00:44:38.840 that's just a hippo there's this technology now called ibf and if you don't use it children are

00:44:43.400 not going to exist and parents who want children if you understood the way that they viewed fertility

00:44:47.880 and insolvent you obviously they'd be pro anything that increases the number of children that are coming

00:44:52.840 into the world especially if you're denying children that a family intended to have but wasn't able to

00:44:57.080 have because you denied them technology like this but the point i'm making here is that so many of

00:45:01.900 these policies where people are like oh i can just push this on people and it will work it doesn't work

00:45:07.080 and so the alternative is to work on continuing to evolve and update your religious traditions

00:45:15.640 to one resist the challenges of our time but also to harmonize with reality as we understand it

00:45:22.980 and unfortunately a lot of religions that were i say predicated on the average believer not having

00:45:29.740 access to modern information about like earth isn't the center of the solar system earth isn't the center of

00:45:35.220 the solar system isn't the center of the universe you know they they they worked because the average

00:45:40.460 person didn't know that stuff and then as the average person learned more and more and more

00:45:44.380 people begin to move away from this and we can do a separate episode on the mass conversions away

00:45:48.800 from islam that we're beginning to see where if we look at religions that are like uniquely harmed by 0.84

00:45:55.600 access to information islam unfortunately is one of the top unfortunately i'm saying i don't know like

00:46:01.700 maybe not unfortunately but is islam unfortunately just doesn't harmonize very well with our current 1.00

00:46:10.020 understanding of reality and i don't think that that's because the text of islam doesn't as we

00:46:14.720 have pointed out from a lot of the text of islam stuff we've gone over the text of islam is very

00:46:20.440 different from what your average uh muslim religious leader right now is trying to enforce on the muslim

00:46:27.020 population to get them to believe the text says as we pointed out the text is pretty clear that

00:46:32.420 islam is a religion is only meant for arabs it is only meant for people who have the arab language 0.99

00:46:36.920 i i it says things like i put this religion down for you in arabic uh because that's the language you

00:46:44.340 you speak you being the people who this religion is for it's pretty clear it was meant to live alongside

00:46:50.380 other true religions like christianity and judaism not antagonistic to them but it it has morphed from 0.88

00:46:58.260 that into something that is not islam into some alternate bastard religion that some of the religious 0.93

00:47:05.540 leaders push and this is leading to its fragility and so i'm not saying that like islam needs to go but 1.00

00:47:11.260 like the the the iteration of islam that is commonly practiced today is obviously not going to survive

00:47:18.400 because it's not what the texts say and it doesn't harmonize well with reality as like

00:47:22.680 the facts or the science understands it and i think what's interesting here is you're seeing even a

00:47:28.440 faster conversion away from islam than you are from other religious traditions which struggle with

00:47:33.560 this harmonization as well like mormonism for example struggles with history but the the the the thing

00:47:42.340 is is at least with mormons you have two real advantages right one is as mormons can iteratively

00:47:48.140 update their religion and it's like a weirdly futurist religion in many ways so they're like

00:47:51.740 yeah well if the church doesn't say this now they'll be saying it in 10 years so i'll just

00:47:55.920 believe it now i mean that's well and history has always been a creative pursuit it's just that right

00:48:00.580 now it's way too easy to fact check and it hasn't been throughout most of human history yeah and it is

00:48:08.140 wholesome in a way what i'd say is a lot of people will castigate mormons for oh you have all these

00:48:13.740 bans on x y and z and yeah i don't agree with a lot of the mormon bans right like the ban on

00:48:18.600 masturbation is buffoonery but it's it's it's generally a wholesome movement right and i think

00:48:27.700 that a lot of muslims do not feel this way they feel that people are trying to force them to live

00:48:33.040 this way in a really aggressive and authoritarian and violent fashion and so there is more to be gained

00:48:40.340 from exploring and subverting these religious beliefs which i think is yeah it's it's not gonna

00:48:49.520 work it's not gonna work and it's it's likely going to lead to now do i think that we're gonna

00:48:53.640 see like a massive muslim fertility crash no but i think that we will see a a unique fertility crash 1.00

00:49:00.500 around muslims who are open to challenging authority who are educated who are economically

00:49:07.380 productive and this leads to a lot of challenges but as we've seen even in iran apparently there's

00:49:12.500 been a huge growth in the christian community and the zoroastrian community which i even prefer more

00:49:16.780 because i think that that harmonizes more with their ethnic background as people know i i generally think

00:49:21.180 you shouldn't just choose a religion that hasn't been in your people for centuries but anyway what are

00:49:26.660 your thoughts i i largely agree with you i it's just i'm i'm just shocked by

00:49:33.780 what has happened in iran i i hope though that this is signs of that that a a sea change will come

00:49:43.480 and that iran is about to see a new golden age because it is clear that where they are from a

00:49:50.560 demographic standpoint and geopolitically and now religiously that they are not in a sustainable

00:49:56.420 position that means that something is fundamentally going to change quite profoundly and that's cool so

00:50:02.520 hopefully things will change for the better and i'm just going to try to be optimistic about this

00:50:09.260 i love you simone i love you too what are we doing for dinner tonight a pasta with pesto

00:50:15.900 pasta with pesto i'm also going to make some karai spiced fried chicken for you but in the air fryer

00:50:22.100 that's all right spiced is it pre-cooked where is it from breaded breaded and fried it's from you

00:50:32.400 oh yes

00:50:34.880 you've had it before and you like it and i did both oven and air fryer and you preferred air fryer so

00:50:41.940 that's what i'm going to do you are a lovely wife i am very lucky you are a lovely husband and i love

00:50:50.560 you so much and i love our kids and they're little nerds so oh actually can't should i try to deep fry

00:50:59.260 things occasionally again it's such a waste of oil and it it messes up because it just covers

00:51:07.200 everything in oil maybe we can just a little bit until the kids like like it too you know because

00:51:14.120 then then we have the whole family getting in on it looks i can justify it with the kids okay

00:51:19.600 two-string fries he used to make you know yeah i mean there was a world good yeah there's a world in

00:51:27.760 which this needs to happen but the world isn't here yet because we have three children who hate eating

00:51:34.380 all right i'll make more children simone dang you don't have to twist my wrist on this

00:51:38.900 twist your arm i will not i will just go ahead and do it you know oh you'll just keep producing them

00:51:45.620 just keep well hopefully we'll see i'm so nervous about january

00:51:49.800 you do the betting poll in one of the betting sites about us there are two manifold has two

00:51:56.640 different markets regarding how many kids we're gonna have by what year i bet on both of them of

00:52:03.180 course the the big question is when will i physically be unable to have more kids this is

00:52:10.900 not a mentally thing so i think people should be making bets based on their knowledge of where i am

00:52:17.160 from a uterine strength standpoint you know they're they're they're betting here when we say this is her 1.00

00:52:26.220 autistic special interest i'm being serious here they are betting here on the autistic man not having

00:52:30.920 more trains in a few years they are they're saying he has 50 trains he couldn't possibly need more

00:52:38.180 yeah the question then is how financially constrained will he be how much you know when who will he

00:52:43.320 and i've never i don't think it's a question of space the autistic man find space so he couldn't 0.85

00:52:50.080 possibly spit more trains and trains find a way trains find a way this bedroom will be the train room next

00:52:56.920 you know he'll sleep in the closet yeah did you remember the time when we did sleep in the closet

00:53:01.180 in one of our houses because it was just like more reasonable than the bedroom i felt uncomfortable

00:53:06.540 sleeping in that large of a bedroom and the closet was so cozy it's perfect it was so it was amazing

00:53:12.920 plus texas has huge closets we like we be we do not have closets here

00:53:19.680 this is insane do we we have two closets no you have closets you have closets the only room in the

00:53:29.920 house was closets that's crazy but why what's the point you know you only need one outfit why would

00:53:36.200 you have a closet well it is interesting that the house is built in the 1700s didn't have running water

00:53:42.160 so there were no bathrooms and then they didn't have i guess a lot of stuff so where would there would

00:53:47.960 be no need for closets and now people are like literally i imagine imagine the the the the pilgrims

00:53:56.220 confusion upon hearing that there's entire history i'm sorry an entire industry dedicated to

00:54:02.280 storage units and you have to explain to you know silence do good that there are people of all

00:54:11.860 economic levels who have so much stuff that they pay a monthly rent to to hold the stuff

00:54:20.420 that they don't want to let go of so we in one of our episodes the one title people used to like

00:54:27.600 their parents which i think is one of our better episodes check it out if you haven't where i go

00:54:30.980 over the diaries of my great great grandfather and he does an inventory in it of everything they own

00:54:38.720 and it is they have a shack they have an outhouse and the thing he was really proud of or thought of

00:54:44.380 as very expensive was a a flywheel for spinning the fabric or something a spinning wheel a spinning

00:54:52.780 wheel yeah a loom did they have a loom or a spinning wheel no no no not a loom a spinning wheel only

00:54:56.980 okay the rest they had to do themselves and that was that was their assets nothing else they had pigs

00:55:03.780 which he got mad at spinning wheels were the 3d printers of their age i mean that was pretty cool

00:55:08.300 we don't have right they actually were it's like oh i don't need to go to the store to get thread

00:55:12.620 i can just make it really cool yes that's something to be proud of yeah so i i get you're right they

00:55:19.760 were the 3d printers we don't think about that yeah spinning wheels were the 3d printers of their age

00:55:25.300 oh i made a component that i can use to make other things yeah but just the the the you'd have like a list

00:55:32.540 of property i have a spinning wheel well what else well we dug a hole out there and we have like a

00:55:38.320 little shack around it and they're like what else and i've got a place where we all sleep together in

00:55:42.900 the same room right there and it's like what else it's like well my dad sold the pigs a bit early

00:55:49.360 last year i love it his his huge rant about his dad selling the pigs too very much the bitcoin of his

00:55:56.140 generation yeah he sold early oh oh my gosh that's it my dad had some bitcoin at least i had a swine

00:56:05.120 market yeah anyway love you to death i love you too i'll go start dinner

00:56:11.500 you're so wonderful

00:56:15.600 he strides through hallways decked in gold so bright like a sultan's palace glowing day and night

00:56:30.040 marble pillars glimmer echoing his name a persian king or president one and the same

00:56:39.580 and shimmering drapes plush rugs under each foot a fortress of bling that no one can refute

00:56:51.600 gold leaf on the ceiling mirrors everywhere he's bold he's brash who else would even dare

00:57:01.300 where are the paintings of horses so rare random cottages and frames why aren't they there

00:57:10.820 and where the model ships decked out in their coats we're asking our first persian friends

00:57:19.800 show us those boats

00:57:21.540 he bedazzles ballrooms each corner ornate like something out of ancient lore or so we state

00:57:33.780 halls paved in splendor shining under the light surprise surprise he's got style though it's quite a sight

00:57:42.980 he claims he's classy with flair unmatched a thousand chandeliers perfect be dispatched

00:57:55.220 grand turrets big fountains exotic mystique all hail our persian prez so lavish unique

00:58:04.580 where are the paintings of horses so rare random cottages and frames why aren't they there

00:58:14.400 and where the model ships decked out in their coats we're asking our first persian friends

00:58:23.340 show us those boats

00:58:25.220 every corner gilded every surface gleams like sha era fantasies fresh out of dreams 0.97

00:58:37.320 marble upon marble a treasure trove of hue yes it's gaudy but hey it's trump through and through

00:58:47.760 where are the paintings of boats of horses so rare random cottages and frames

00:58:54.880 why aren't they there

00:58:56.380 and where the model ships decked out in their coats our gilded persian president please bring on

00:59:06.060 those boats

Based Camp - January 01, 2025

Iran's Mass Deconversion： An Atheist Theocracy？

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