Is A Cult Using the Trans Movement for Cover？
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In this episode, Simone and I discuss the trans cult movement and its impact on the trans community, as well as the history of the trans movement and how it relates to gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia. We also talk about the dangers of transphobia, and how to deal with it in modern society.
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you need to look at this like a kid who's going into this. You are in a group where you are being
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teased for being different from whatever, right? Like everybody feels this way when they're going
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through puberty. Your body changing, your body getting gross, stinky, things happening that
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don't make you feel good. Extreme mood fluctuations, which of course make you more volatile.
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Like women get hit hard by, you know, things that are moving them more towards feelings of depression
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and extreme social anxiety as well. Like you, you feel like you stick out like a sore thumb,
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you desperately want to belong. And yet nothing really seems to fit in terms of something you
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belong to. Like all these things, it's just the perfect storm for, for some form of, oh,
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this is a solution. And you're desperate for affirmation. Then you hear the,
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this is the solution to all this. And keep in mind by the definitions of trans in today's society,
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Simone and I are actually trans. I'm just pointing that out to point out that I have no animosity
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towards this community. And I was in the GSA growing up, everything like that. This should be
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as concerning to actual trans people. This should to everyone else, because it leads to these
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individuals who are joining what is essentially an extremist cult beginning to represent the
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mainstream trans movement. It actually transfers and just wants to live their life as the other
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gender. These individuals aren't like that. They just want to preach the cult message. Like once they
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join, all they care about is all of the things that differentiate the cult from the mainstream
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cultural group. This is actually, I find to be the core difference between the trans cult and the
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real trans movement. Would you like to know more? So Malcolm, I was at this grassroots political
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event as I'm running for office now, great rep in Pennsylvania. And I got really frustrated
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at this event. And I'm getting concerned in general about the points of focus among conservative voters
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who I as a Republican candidate am courting, because they seem to be focused on important issues,
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but the wrong things. So for example, as we've discussed in numerous podcasts, conservatives are
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very concerned about the urban monoculture, essentially erasing their culture, you know, taking their kids
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and making their kids hate them and leave their culture and generally be miserable people. And
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you know, they don't want that. And they don't like seeing that happen. But then what they're focusing
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on in terms of like actual local issues are things like, oh, they're making, they're, they're letting
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anyone go into girls' bathrooms or locker rooms. And I'm like, dude, like teach, you know, teach your
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daughter self-defense and have her punch out whoever comes at her in the wrong way.
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I'm way more concerned about if I had a daughter in any school, public or private, her coming to me
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one day and saying, I am in the wrong body and I am going to kill myself if I cannot change my gender
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right now. Yeah. And I want to talk about this in like a wider context here. So I want to be clear
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for our audience. I think that transness, so we'll talk about transness in different contexts here.
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I think some historic, like true form of transness is a real phenomenon that happens to some
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individuals. Totally. You know, if we do genuine, like if gender matters, right? Like if, if we do
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actually have like an internal gender in terms of how we perceive the world, it would only be natural or
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logical that some deformity within that would exist as well. That some individuals would be born
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with the wrong sort of gender expression or gender impulses. But if we look at a horror historic
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context, this is a fairly rare phenomenon, much rarer than something like being born with abnormal
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arousal pathways in which you are attracted to similar gender individuals and stuff like that.
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However, with that said, and this is what really got me interested in this this morning as I was
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talking with my wife and she was like, if the trans movement existed, when I was in high school,
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I would have been trans. If a movement had existed when I was going through these processes,
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that because she had anorexia, she had intense body dysmorphia, where she felt really, really
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uncomfortable with how she looked going through puberty to the point that it almost ended up
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killing her. And it's why she cannot conceive naturally anymore. So, so she did extreme things
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in an attempt to resolve this body dysmorphia that she had. If there had been a community that told her,
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if you do X and Y, you will both be affirmed by a community. They'll tell you you're great. We love
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you. You know, love bombing, however you want to put it. Like you, you are perfect as you are. And
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that I would fix this for her, that she would no longer have this. She would have gone all in with
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that community. And here, I want to point out that if you want to say no, no one is transitioning
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because they feel social pressure or as a way to get out of feeling uncomfortable during puberty,
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then you are denying our lived experiences. You know, Simone is saying, if this had been around,
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I would have transitioned. And it was clearly have been the wrong choice for me, knowing what ended up
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happening in my life. If you say this just doesn't happen, then you are denying her lived experiences.
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And so, and keep in mind, she fits all of the demographics that are typically associated with
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transness, right? Like IE autistic individuals like her are much more likely to become trans
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individuals who are really high IQ, like in terms of output or like top of their class,
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also much more likely to become trans. So she fits a lot of these. So when I look at this,
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I'm like my kids that I'm having with this woman are of this category. And I say this
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to not diminish actual trans identity, but to say that someone like her could have become trans,
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could have been living life of the trans person today and not know that if they hadn't known that
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was an option, they could have chosen a different life path where they would have been much happier.
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Yeah. Or even like where things would have been less expensive. I mean, fully going trans can also
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mean a lot of medical procedures, ongoing hormone therapy. It's just an expensive way to live kind
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of how like my choice to be anorexic in my youth has led to very expensive IVF treatments and osteoporosis,
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which is going to come back and bite me already. It's, you know, not great, you know, and, and all
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I mean, I love a quote that you had for me once, which was, thank God, when I was going through
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puberty, no marketing group or cult or however you want to frame it had figured out they could tell me
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if you only join our ideology, then all of your, you'll feel comfortable in your body.
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But that once you join this ideological group, it's a permanent subscription. You need to pay
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constantly after you, you know, for the ongoing medical expenses. And if you ever deviate from
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that ideology to even the slightest degree, you know, you look at someone like Buck Angel,
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who really was the first major player in making the trans movement normal, normalized within today's
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society. And who I see as being like a prime example of this category of transness, which isn't
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this modern category, the level to which he has been denigrated by the modern trans community
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because he came out and, and, and one is right-leaning and two is uncomfortable with child
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transition. And those were the two things that made him basically a demon. So there it's an,
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it's an ideological subscription in the way that the community has gone in a way that is very harmful
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to trans people who would have fed this historic definition of trans. Another person who this
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happened to, an early trans advocate who really paved the way for the modern trans movement and
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then was completely stabbed in the back by that movement was Caitlyn Jenner. Because the modern
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trans movement views being trans as more of a cultural or political affiliation than just a
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gender identity that anyone can have regardless of their political affiliation. I can't imagine how hard
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it must be for somebody who was actually trans and came out when it was still this extremely
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discriminated against group that now it's become like a fad or like been taken over by this weird
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cult, or at least a portion of the trans community has. To give you an idea of what I mean here,
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imagine that somebody who represented your community was out saying things like,
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these days the narrative is that transgender people will come into bathrooms and abuse little
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girls. The supposed quote-unquote purity of the victim has remained stagnant. There are no princesses.
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Little girls are also kinky. Your kids aren't as straight and narrow as you think. This was said by
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Alec Vade Menon, and you can be like, oh well this must be some like obscure crazy person. No, this is
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somebody who in 2019 was listed in out 100 list which is a compilation of the year's most impactful and
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influential LGBT plus people. And if you find this accusation offensive when it is just very obviously true that
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you know if I'm a young teen going through puberty and I feel like a social outcast and there's a group that's willing to
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affirm me so long as I undergo specific changes for that group, of course a portion of people are going to
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engage with that community. Of course. Like it's only rational. And if that fact is offensive to you
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and you identify as trans, it's probably because you're not actually trans. It's probably because
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you're part of this cult. Because that's the only reason I can imagine that you would find something that is
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very obviously true that if you give a teenager during a stage when most people are very uncomfortable
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with their bodies a pass to affirmation and comfort with their body, that that will convince some people
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who are not actually trans to transition. So what frustrates me about parents, like conservative
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parents' concerns about their children, which I think are very valid, but then the things that they
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focus on is that what I'm seeing is strong evidence that most parents are not at all prepared to
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actually protect their kids, especially if their kids are like me and not actually trans, but very
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likely to fall into trans as a solution to just general body dysmorphia and being a teenager, which sucks.
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They just, they're, they're looking at totally the wrong things, right? They're looking at bathrooms.
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They're not looking at the cultural interventions they need to be considering to actually protect
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their children from memes like this that can be quite harmful. And again, we're not shitting on
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trans people here. We're just saying there are a lot of people who are transitioning now and
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undergoing major, they're not actually trans. Yeah. They're not.
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I think, so one thing that I've noticed, because I've been listening to a lot of stories of people who
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seem to not have been trans who transitioned, one of the most common things where these conservative
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parents are making a big mistake is they assume. So, so two things. One is, is because their child
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fits gender norms as they understand them. Like, you know, these are people with a bunch of boys,
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a bunch of girls, you know, they might be coming from largest families and they know like this
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daughter is acting like every other daughter I've had quite gender differentiated from the males in my
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family. And if anything, even classically quite feminine, they assume that they are not at risk
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from this group. And that is actually almost inversely true from what I've seen. From what
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I've seen, it's actually the people who fit the gender stereotype or appear to fit the gender
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stereotype of their assigned gender who are most at risk from this sort of thing.
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What is ironic here is that what puts these conservative families at risk of having their
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kids transition when they're not actually trans is that they are taking the trans community
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at their word, assuming that the only people who would transition or at risk of finding this
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group and lifestyle appealing are those who act as if they are not their birth gender,
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when that is just not true. The community almost doesn't care at all how much somebody acts like
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their birth gender or thinks they are their birth gender. At the start, they care how vulnerable
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that person is to influence. It's much better to think of this modern iteration of the trans
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movement, the iteration that shits on all of their early past blazers, all of the early people
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who sacrificed for what is now called the trans movement, like a cult which has taken over the
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movement, than as actual trans people. They are just using the cover that this ideology gives them
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to spread. But also, like, obviously this would happen. If you take anything and say,
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okay, now this is the thing that people are no longer allowed to criticize in any way, shape, or form,
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memetically speaking, that gives a lot of cover for psychologically toxic, memetic spreading
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strategies to begin to randomly form and evolve out of that movement, which we would normally call cults
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and would normally be shut down on school environments and stuff like that. But because
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it covers itself in the same way, like, a cancer in a human body will say,
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oh, I'm actually really important, you really need me, don't attack this thing, and that's how they
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keep the other cells from getting rid of them. This cult says, oh, I'm actually part of the LGBT
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movement, and if you call out what I'm doing, you are calling out the LGBT movement. And that's just not
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functionally true at all. It is not a real or historic part of the LGBT movement.
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Especially if they are in any way unpopular or othered by their group. Because you need to look
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at this like a kid who's going into this. You are in a group where you are being teased for being
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different from whatever, right? Like, everybody feels this way when they're going through puberty,
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when they're in these teen years. And this is also the years when people are most likely to convert
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to different religious frameworks, if you're talking about religion.
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And again, I want to be clear, like, this isn't even about being teased. This is about
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your body changing, your body getting gross, stinky, things happening that don't make you feel
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good. Extreme mood fluctuations, which of course make you more volatile. Like, women get hit hard by,
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you know, things that are moving them more towards feelings of depression,
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and extreme social anxiety as well. Like, you feel like you stick out like a sore thumb,
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you desperately want to belong, and yet nothing really seems to fit in terms of something you belong to.
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Like, all these things, it's just the perfect storm for some form of, oh, this is a solution.
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And you're desperate for affirmation. Then you hear the, this is the solution to all this.
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Well, at the same time, when you go to these communities, and you say, you know what,
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I think I might be this. Like, I might actually be trans. And keep in mind, by the definitions of
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trans in today's society, Simone and I are actually trans. Because we are agender, which is genderqueer,
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which is a form of trans, i.e. I really don't care what gender I present as. I'm just interested in,
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like, efficaciously living my life. And I don't want to focus on that. And that makes me agender,
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we would be a form of genderqueer, which is a form of trans within most definitions of trans.
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Anyway, they really expanded the definition here. But, so you're a kid, you've gone through this.
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And I'm just pointing that out to point out that I have no animosity towards this community,
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exactly. But you, and I was in the GSA growing up, everything like that. Like, I really care about
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protecting the LGBT community where I can, while also admitting that there is a group that is
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socially converting right now. So I've grown up, I am unsure of myself, I have this thing that is an
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existential issue for me, you know, comfort within my body, because my body is undergoing a lot of
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changes. And now there's a group which says, we can make you comfortable with your body. And
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whenever you go to them, and you say, I feel like I might be X, all of a sudden, you get love bond.
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And within cults, this is the common tactic, people know, I really love cult psychology.
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Basically, everyone in the community is all of a sudden telling you how great you are,
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whenever you affirm a specific belief system, which is that you were born in the wrong body,
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or that you know, you are genderqueer, or that you have any sort of non normative gender
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representation, you get one, status within this community, and two, constant affirmation.
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Now, if you are a teen, and anyone, you know, if you're a trans individual watching this,
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you must see, even if somebody wasn't trans, if they were a teen, and there was a community that
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would provide this for them, how appealing that community would be, and how that community
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might lead them to making very serious, like, like cultural decisions, and decisions about
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their, their medical engagement, that could have incredibly damaging long term consequences.
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And then what I keep seeing is individuals then go to psychologists, like their parents
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send them to psychologists, because they see the individual is depressed.
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And most psychologists today have been taught only to affirm when an individual questions their gender.
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And as such, you know, now they're in an isolated environment. Why are psychologists doing this?
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It's not because they're evil. It's just because this is the course of action that isn't going to
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get them fired. You know, it's like in tech, what they say, nobody ever got fired for choosing
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Microsoft. Like, if you choose the default option, it is very safe for you. Well, this then creates a
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problem if in any individual going through puberty, you can do this thing, which I believe is true.
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I believe even me, if I had a group of individuals who are constantly pushing this,
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we will affirm you if you say you feel uncomfortable with your gender and adopt this ideology,
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even I might have been susceptible to this as like masculine presenting as I am.
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And what's really scary to me when I read these stories is they have this common element,
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where it is an individual that may have been a bit of a social outcast, but otherwise was a,
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you know, totally average individual, you know, preteen. They encounter a group of friends
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and then all of a sudden they become obsessed with this topic of transition.
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They believe they had always been obsessed with this topic of transition, even though everyone
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who knows them said, no, this is something that didn't matter to you before. And they believe that
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they will kill themselves if they don't transition. Like suicide becomes a major part of their identity
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during this pre-transition period. And when I hear about this as like a cultural package,
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especially in the context of somebody who's really interested in cult psychology and studying cults,
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this actually sounds very compelling. Like it's a compelling mechanism for delivering an ideological
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package. And I, and I say this because if this is a memetic sense of spreading, this should be as
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concerning to actual trans people, this should to everyone else, because it leads to these
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individuals who are joining what is essentially an extremist cult beginning to represent the
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mainstream trans movement. Because now these individuals who are going to be much more
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ideological prime, like a normal trans person, when I say normal trans person, like an actually
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trans person, just wants to live their life as the other gender. These individuals aren't like that.
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They just want to preach the cult message. Like once they join, all they care about is all of the
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things that differentiate the cult from the mainstream cultural group. How do you, like,
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like if this does exist as a cultural subset, which I'm beginning to see evidence, especially when I look
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at this extreme, like, oh my God, if I don't do this is all I can think about, I'm going to kill myself.
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It's actually really common was in cults in terms of convincing someone about this existential issue
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where they need to undergo something. Like within cults, classically, it was giving up all your
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money. But basically it's a permanent change that you can't easily come back from and that
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permanently indebts you to the cult. Well, and what scares me about it and from a cult standpoint and
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from any, you know, standpoint is typically once the, the family and friends of a person hears about
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this, it's too late. You know, when they come to you and they're like, I'm going to join this cult or I
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have to like change my gender. That's what most cults do is, is the key to cult conversion
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techniques. And I understand, I don't think this is like an intentionally created cult. It's like
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an accidentally evolved cult. I think trans people were real. And then an iteration of the trans
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movement that was very proselytized, like a little bit proselytized a lot, the iterations of it that
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found out how to use these cult tactics accidentally ended up spreading faster than other iterations of it.
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And so essentially you got this branch off of what was the real trans LGBT community,
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which follows these cult patterns. And one cult pattern is to convince an individual
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that anyone who doesn't affirm you joining the cult is abusive. And therefore you should cut ties
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with those individuals, especially your core care network. So for many of these individuals,
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this was their family. This was their, their friend group. It tells you, or your, your, your birth
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culture, right? Like if you're trying to join a new cultural group, what they need to do,
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they need to convince you that your birth cultural is antagonistic to you and that your family,
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your parents, your closest support network is antagonistic to you. This is how you build
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dependency on the cult. And so they, they push this ideology on individuals where if a parent in any
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way says, I don't know, or I don't remember you always having this gender questioning, like maybe we
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should think about this, maybe we should talk to third parties about this. Those individuals are
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now the height of abuse. And they then begin to work in what a lot of people don't know is how easy
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it is to form memories that aren't real memories. Like, like implanted memories are actually very easy
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in psychology. It's like one of the easiest things to implant memories in someone. If you have a group
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that's affirming a particular memory, they'll ask like, did your parents ever abuse you? And
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first you say they abused you and not affirming you. But then if you remember vague ideas that
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maybe there was like actual physical or textual abuse, then when you mentioned the textual abuse,
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they begin to say, yes, that definitely happened to you. And because you get this affirmation for
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talking about this, they begin to work its way into your consciousness and you believe it actually
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happened. And then you push this on parents who might've otherwise been totally normal parents
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who were just concerned about your well-being. No, this is actually a very common strategy in cults
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these days. Implanted memories of textual abuse that didn't happen by your parents because it separates
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you from your support network, which is obviously a thing of immense value to a cult because then you
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see the cult as your core support network and you, it's much harder for the people who would otherwise
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have the most interest in pulling you out of the cult to do so. As to why these sorts of behaviors
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begin to evolve within the modern trans movement, it's simply because, not anything about trans
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individuals specifically, it's simply because it was a part of society that you weren't allowed to
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criticize. And whenever you have a part of society that you're not allowed to criticize, that's a perfect
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area for cults to begin to arise because behavior that would otherwise get called out is not getting
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called out. And now there's nothing the parent can do because anything the parent tries to do to separate
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you from the cult drives you further to the cult and further away from them.
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So, okay, what I really want to get to in this discussion, which I think is so important is,
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you know, a lot of parents are just, like I'm saying, focused on the wrong thing, like bathrooms.
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Oh my gosh, this is a big problem. What should parents actually be doing to prepare, annotate things
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for their children, and essentially prevent their children from making an irreversible decision,
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assuming that they're not actually really trans, which that's what our concern is. If you have a
00:24:32.480
kid who's like legit trans, they're legit trans. But I think a lot of people obviously are
00:24:37.580
transitioning for the wrong reasons. So what, what are we going to do? What would you encourage other
00:24:44.540
I think the biggest mistake that parents make is they don't understand that this is an alternate
00:24:48.460
cultural framework and alternate religion. This thing that is sort of splintered from the real
00:24:52.300
trans movement and has become a cult basically. And, and, and keep in mind, one of the groups that
00:24:57.360
suffers most from this cult is the real trans movement because they dissent from this. They're
00:25:01.680
like, what you're doing with kids is kind of problematic. And they're like, ban, you're off of
00:25:07.760
every network. How dare you question what we're doing with kids anyway? So, uh, they will be like,
00:25:14.020
when I was a kid, my culture, this Christian Jewish, whatever culture, right? Muslim,
00:25:18.440
culture, it worked for me. It seemed sane to me. Right. Um, but what they don't realize is they
00:25:24.960
were in an environment where the majority of people affirmed that culture or didn't question
00:25:29.000
that culture. Their kids who have their genetics are now in cultures where the majority of people
00:25:34.460
see that, for example, conservative Christian culture as strangely as they would see a trans
00:25:41.620
individual. Like they're like, Oh, you're of a weird cultural subset. Your kid has to go.
00:25:47.500
If you're like a conservative Christian kid and many are conservative Mormon kid in many environments
00:25:51.300
today, they are seen as a weirdly as a trans kid would have been seen as your dad. And if
00:25:58.040
what kept you was in your culture was a normalization was the fact that people didn't constantly question
00:26:03.540
it. When you just say, Oh, well, of course, Jesus fulfilled the messianic prophecies. So I believe
00:26:09.640
in Jesus. And that doesn't hold for this generation because they're going to actually be questioned on
00:26:15.440
that. Um, from an external perspective, he didn't really affirm them that well, um, to word this
00:26:22.820
another way. I love real crime and mysteries today. And I heard about, uh, uh, uh, uh, a group of
00:26:31.720
friends who were like, yeah, our friend died. And then after he died, I swear to God, he like came
00:26:37.040
and talked to me afterwards. And I have almost everyone in this extended group of friends. We feel
00:26:41.880
like we've engaged with him afterwards. And, and then you, and he disappeared from his grave when we
00:26:48.940
then went to check his grave. I'd be like, wow, cool. Like cryptid story, bro. Like it'd be interesting
00:26:55.180
to me, but I wouldn't immediately think, Oh, that's definitely God. That is God right there. That is, there
00:27:01.900
is no other explanation for that than the, that individual is the single most powerful entity in
00:27:07.360
all of existence. And so given that that's the case that you are relying on these defenses that
00:27:13.100
worked when everyone affirmed them, you don't realize how hostile our current environment is.
00:27:18.940
And so when you send kids into that, and there are alternate frameworks out there that are providing
00:27:25.040
solutions for their immediate problems, i.e. social validation and comfort with a change
00:27:31.860
body. The, the Christian framework, the Jewish framework, the Muslim framework does not do a
00:27:37.160
good job of dealing with this teenage change period, right? Which is when people most frequently
00:27:42.860
deconvert. Of course they are going to be susceptible. The urban monoculture is one thing, but these
00:27:48.920
extremist cults that evolved out of it. And the way that you fight against them is either by fortifying
00:27:55.760
your traditions, i.e. working to make them more resistant to modern science, everything like that.
00:28:01.320
And that is not through telling a kid, if you deviate from any of this, I'm going to like be like my kid
00:28:06.180
knows better than to deviate from my version of Christianity. Cause then what you're just saying
00:28:09.920
is if your kid didn't believe what you believed, he knew not to tell you. And so that makes them
00:28:15.060
even more vulnerable to external ideological frameworks. The same is also true for telling your
00:28:20.460
kids something like trans people are evil and malevolent. And some people will be saying that in the
00:28:24.980
comments, oh, how dare you humanize trans people in this. If you teach your kids that trans people
00:28:30.520
are evil, then when they meet a trans person who is not evil, or at least not obviously evil and seems
00:28:37.940
to care about them and seems to be a human being just like them, then all of the things you have
00:28:44.400
taught them about trans people become immediately invalidated in their eyes. And you have lost any
00:28:50.480
defense. When you treat a group that you are trying to warn your kids against as truly evil,
00:28:58.240
you have created an intense level of susceptibility in them to conversion by that group.
00:29:03.700
But this is also why us, like many people are like, why don't you just go to one of the
00:29:06.820
traditional cultures? It's because they are optimized for pre-industrial time periods, not just
00:29:13.220
pre-internet, pre-AI, pre-modern urban monocultural time periods. And they do not defend against it
00:29:19.700
well if I look at the data. And so, yes, it makes sense for me to try to create a system
00:29:26.060
that is very synthesized as whiz or works alongside modern science. So when these individuals
00:29:34.160
challenge my kids, they look like the anti-science cult because these kids are able to look at the
00:29:40.660
studies on puberty blockers and be like, this is what the actual data says on puberty blockers.
00:29:46.860
Do you know this? And then this community treats them like a heretic because that's the way all
00:29:51.500
extremist cults do. If there is information that damages the cult's ability to convert people,
00:29:58.000
they will treat anyone who talks about that information like they are an absolute heretic,
00:30:02.120
like they are a demon incarnate, right? And try to suppress that information.
00:30:06.260
When the individual is taking actual peer-reviewed studies and well-conducted studies and being like,
00:30:12.140
this is what they say, like rapid IQ decline, stuff like that from this sort of puberty blockers,
00:30:19.200
et cetera, never experiencing an orgasm. And they attack them for that. That will then
00:30:24.820
reaffirm their traditional beliefs. But you need to engage with these ideas before they reach these
00:30:30.080
communities. If you are not teaching your kids like real sex ed and sex ed includes about the trans
00:30:35.260
community, not just that they're like this evil other, that there is a real trans community.
00:30:39.500
And then there's like this weird cult that will immediately try to start preaching to them.
00:30:43.120
They need to be aware of that because this, this group controls our schools.
00:30:47.200
It controls the, if you send them, the worst thing you can do is if a kid does this,
00:30:51.600
is send them to a psychologist. Because what the cult has learned is that if they tell kids,
00:30:56.060
just say that you're going to commit suicide, if this doesn't happen,
00:30:58.700
then they can bin the psychologist industry around them because the psychologist industry suicide is
00:31:03.620
like a hot word. And it basically means you have to do whatever I'm saying. Like you have to
00:31:07.080
affirm whatever I'm saying. Like if I say I'm going to commit suicide. And it's the same with
00:31:11.280
the school system. You look at a state like New Jersey. If I send my kid to school in New Jersey
00:31:15.180
and they approach by these individuals and they begin on campus identifying as a different gender,
00:31:21.480
come up with a different name, you know, like that's the way cults don't really do. They create a
00:31:25.380
new name for you. So it really works. These cult ideologies have borrowed real trans identity
00:31:30.560
that, one, it has a legal duty to not tell me as a parent this has happened. If I, as a parent,
00:31:37.460
find out, they have to use the school's lawyer, right? Like if I say I'm actually not okay with the
00:31:45.660
kid going by a different name at school, they then have to use the school's lawyer to fight you.
00:31:51.060
Like it's a mandate. That's how extreme this is.
00:31:54.060
Um, and it makes sense that it is because it's the cultural default right now and people could
00:32:01.340
be fired for fighting it. So there's not really any reason to fight it. And they believe they're
00:32:04.940
doing good. I mean, they believe that everyone who thinks that they identify as this actually is
00:32:09.940
like a real trans person. And instead they don't see them as actually one of the most threatening
00:32:15.860
thing to real trans person people in society today, because these individuals, when you join the
00:32:22.920
cult, you now need to attack every real trans person who expresses any sort of ideological diversity,
00:32:28.440
which means that for real trans people, now they can only have one political opinion,
00:32:37.340
Because I mean, a lot of people legitimately and, and less optimally transition to have a sense of
00:32:44.280
belonging to, because they feel like, you know, this is what fixes the, the feeling that I had that
00:32:49.780
made me feel so out of place. And then to only be able to continue belonging, if you are only
00:32:55.920
following this very narrow line, just seems torturous. But one thing that I am thinking about a lot for
00:33:02.420
our kids is friend network. I mean, I think a lot of this blindsides parents because they don't realize
00:33:09.200
that online or at school or elsewhere, their kids are hanging out with, with other people who
00:33:15.880
are coming to this conclusion. And these are good faith people. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just
00:33:20.400
saying, like, I think this is a clear pathway. And parents do, I think it's critical, more carefully
00:33:27.980
curating your kids, friends groups, and making sure that they have a strong and very supportive
00:33:32.360
network of friends who will be there for them and help them navigate through just how awful
00:33:38.840
adolescence is, especially is really important. And a lot of the parents that we've known personally,
00:33:44.900
who've had kids transitioning in ways that seem really suboptimal, but also like through interviews
00:33:50.540
that we've seen, it seems like really common characteristics are more isolated kids. Often
00:33:55.660
there's a divorce at play. And that is even scary too, because in many cases I've heard just there's
00:34:01.340
one parent who's really supportive of a transition and another who is either unaware or not supportive.
00:34:06.920
And the parent who is supportive is using that as a means of like getting the kid on their side.
00:34:11.960
And, you know, I'm the cool one. I'm the supportive one. And then the other parent gets
00:34:16.140
alienated. So then they're used as political tools. But yeah, it does seem to me like parents
00:34:21.920
You talk about this happening to like a two-year-old?
00:34:24.800
Yeah. At one point. Yeah. No, a parent of a really, really a mother of a really, really young
00:34:29.020
child started addressing them like a girl. They were a natal male and, and saying that, you know,
00:34:34.660
like they're, they're trans. And I mean, like parents can be, of course, going through a divorce.
00:34:40.840
Yeah. Yeah. So they affirmed their gender and the other parent didn't.
00:34:45.340
Yeah. I mean, I have, it's been a while since I saw this story. So
00:34:48.980
Well, I'll look it up in editing if it's real, but if it is real, that's horrifying.
00:34:54.080
So the story does appear to be real, or at least real as reported by the father, a man named Dennis
00:35:01.140
Hannon. In the story, his ex-wife began to transition their son at the age of three, beginning
00:35:08.200
to dress him in all women's clothes at the age of three. And the son was never diagnosed with
00:35:14.820
gender dysphoria. However, she did start him on puberty blockers at the age of nine. Now,
00:35:21.300
anyone who knows a three-year-old or nine-year-old kid knows they, they don't even have a concept.
00:35:26.780
My kid, I have a four-year-old right now. He does not understand gender at all. He cannot
00:35:31.580
get gendered pronouns right. He cannot consistently tell a girl from a boy. And we don't really
00:35:36.640
push him on it because I don't think it's that important. I think it's a weird thing
00:35:39.480
society over focuses on. But the point I'm making is a three-year-old definitely does not
00:35:44.680
have a sense of whether or not they are a boy or a girl yet. If the story as reported is
00:35:50.720
true, the son absolutely did not make these decisions for himself. And that's why I'm not,
00:35:57.300
I guess I'm misgendering him because this would be an instance where I'd say, yeah,
00:36:01.580
this individual is not actually a trans person. This is someone who was separated from all of their
00:36:07.020
other support networks, raised in a cult, and basically told by the only person they had left
00:36:12.880
that they will only receive love and affirmation if they transition. And it seems pretty obvious that
00:36:18.020
that's what's happened if the mom was already dressing them in all women's clothing at the
00:36:23.020
age of three and put them on puberty blockers by the age of nine. And as a trans person,
00:36:27.800
if you want your community to ever be accepted, if you want your community to be accepted by the
00:36:33.800
mainstream political body of this country, you need to be attacking these people before they enter
00:36:40.640
the right wing media. You need to be attacking them louder and more vociferously than anyone on
00:36:46.820
the right, because no sane thinking person is going to support a movement that is doing stuff like
00:36:52.860
this to children. And keep in mind, you know, if you divorce someone, this is why it's so critical
00:36:57.380
to not marry someone you might divorce, how vindictive they can be along these lines, because
00:37:01.140
it's like an instant win. If you side with this dominant cultural group, you win your kids and you
00:37:08.580
win the income, the additional income that that provides you. And another thing I noticed a lot
00:37:13.280
of people who are outsiders, they're like, why would a kid do this? Don't they understand how,
00:37:19.140
you know, ghoulish a lot of people look when they transition like this? And it's because that's not
00:37:25.380
the way they're contextualizing transition. They're contextualizing transition around two things. One is
00:37:31.760
online celebrities who have transitioned, but use a lot of editing to look very, very
00:37:38.440
passing, even when they do not actually look passing in real life. Dylan Mulvaney is a great
00:37:43.460
example of this. ContraPoint is also a great example of this. These individuals don't really
00:37:47.640
look passing. If you see them outside of the completely dolled up context of extra makeup,
00:37:53.960
extra lighting, any additional editing, because they're in this environment. And so this is a pretty
00:37:59.540
universal phenomenon. A lot of aspirational figures of any type. And this is like, whether you're a super
00:38:04.500
like masculine weightlifter guy online, or whether you're a super sexualized, like model, female model
00:38:12.340
online, like there's a lot of photoshopping that like makes everyone think that some unattainable
00:38:17.960
reality is actually attainable if they do the right thing. Nobody really passes except for East Asian,
00:38:25.400
well, Asian young men or young women after they transition. That's the one group where I really see
00:38:31.140
passing. But keep in mind that they don't pass forever. Like as they get older, this ability to
00:38:36.140
pass typically degrades after about 20 years. It's like a tattoo or something like that. You know,
00:38:40.360
it degrades pretty quickly. But the other thing here is that they are defining what they think they
00:38:46.280
will be like trans. And you see this within the trans community off of anime characters. What they are
00:38:52.580
attempting to transition into is an online avatar as represented by an anime girl, which is something
00:39:02.920
that they can never become. And this is actually, I find to be the core difference between the trans
00:39:10.200
cult and the real trans movement. Do they identify with anime avatars? Or do they identify with however
00:39:16.980
they actually look? This is so funny because one of the reasons why I became anorexic was like
00:39:22.960
primarily like the media I consumed was anime and manga. And I was constantly looking at these like
00:39:29.260
characters that were obviously skinny and who did not have Western bodies. And it made me hate my body
00:39:35.240
even more. So that is an interesting thing. You couldn't find any like bras that fit you in Japan,
00:39:39.200
for example. Yeah, well, nothing. I mean, nothing. Actually, a lot of clothes fit me in Japan. But yeah,
00:39:43.680
like, you know, I was I was aspiring to a morphology that couldn't I could not achieve period in my in
00:39:52.720
my body dysmorphia. And I it's interesting that you point that out that like, anime girls are common
00:39:58.880
denominator, a common villain behind. No, he's not a villain. And I think people overly may accuse
00:40:05.680
anime, you know, I'm not accusing anime girls. I'm sorry, Malcolm, excuse me. We love anime.
00:40:11.240
Transformation is a common theme with an anime. No, I'm not. Transformation has nothing to do with
00:40:16.320
this. It's just that they're pretty and they're cool. No, I think you're missing the point here. I
00:40:21.760
think that that they use completely fictionalized iterations of themselves within environments where
00:40:29.400
that is normal. And and in online environments today, and this is something that the previous
00:40:34.760
generation didn't have to deal with. They don't realize the threat of this, that they don't need to
00:40:41.100
actually pass in the same way that trans people in the past needed to pass. Their voice needs to
00:40:46.380
pass and their character needs to pass, you know, whether you're using AI filters or or anime filters
00:40:51.440
and stuff like that, because they are fighting for status hierarchy, they are fighting for approval,
00:40:55.520
as any human would, right? Like, that's what we all do. Yeah, the problem is, is this creates
00:41:00.580
unrealistic expectations around what happens after transition, and overly rosy expectations around
00:41:08.980
what happens after transition, so that individuals go into transition expecting things that just are
00:41:16.240
likely not going to happen. And it's a problem when this is oversold, because when you are a guy and
00:41:25.180
you are constantly denigrated by society. Oh, yeah. And when you're a guy and you hit puberty, I think,
00:41:30.660
hold on, I just want to emphasize that when you're a guy and you hit puberty, it's very different from
00:41:34.180
women. Like, I think women are more likely to feel a lot of body dysmorphia and a lot of, like, really,
00:41:38.200
like, big discomforts with what their body's doing. Whereas, like, men, I feel like one thing
00:41:42.780
that's under-discussed when a man hits puberty is that, oh, guess what? The world is going to screw
00:41:47.840
you over now. Everything's going to be harder. All the standards for you are harder. Everything's
00:41:52.380
more competitive. You're kind of treated by society as disposable. You do not get any special
00:41:57.420
treatment. Why would you not want to transition in the face of that? I mean, really?
00:42:01.900
Well, yeah. And I think that this is something that people don't talk about because they're
00:42:05.260
afraid of talking about it, right? Within conservative circles, this idea that as a
00:42:09.660
guy, you might have any sort of gender questions as you're going through puberty is like, you
00:42:14.820
don't talk about that because it lowers your status within conservative circles. But I'd say
00:42:20.360
gender dysmorphia is actually very normal for men as they go through puberty. The idea of wouldn't
00:42:25.880
it all be so much easier if I was just the other gender? And wouldn't it? I mean, honestly,
00:42:33.300
And men have the ability to emulate a female mindset. You're like, oh, wouldn't it be easier
00:42:39.080
if I was taking on this other role within sexual interactions? And then can I use that?
00:42:46.220
What people don't realize is that while there are real trans people who have these parts of
00:42:52.900
themselves, okay, that are just loud and screaming at them constantly without interacting, without being
00:42:58.820
elevated by an outside group, right? These parts of you can be elevated in almost any individual,
00:43:06.940
male or female, if your social group is affirming them. But the problem is, is that they can then come
00:43:13.060
to dominate you. And they can come to dominate you in a way that hurts you that wouldn't have hurt you
00:43:19.100
had you not engaged with it. In the same way that something like cocaine or heroin, like, yeah, okay,
00:43:24.600
once you do that for the first few times, then yes, it does really make you feel better. And yes,
00:43:28.800
it does become a part of your life. But if you had just known the first time somebody dropped this
00:43:33.360
on you to say, no, thank you. I'm not engaging with this peer group anymore. I see that if I do
00:43:39.360
continue to engage with this peer group, it will cause long-term damage. Kids need to learn that.
00:43:45.180
But the only way to convince them of that, right, is to have an alternate ideology or an alternate
00:43:53.360
world framework that contrasts with the urban monoculture, because this is like the priest
00:43:58.780
class, the highest caste of the urban monoculture. So if you don't have an alternate framework that is
00:44:04.800
actually compelling against that, and people are like, why do you work so hard to create like your
00:44:08.660
own religion for your family? That seems insane. And it's like, because I have seen what happens
00:44:13.380
to the little Protestants and the little Catholics who go to school without any alteration.
00:44:17.860
Well, but hold on. So yeah, like I was going to say, a lot of parents who might hear this would
00:44:23.820
just think, well, okay, great. Like I am, you know, our family were devout Catholics, were devout
00:44:31.600
Protestants, were devout Baptists, were devout Muslims. Like, well, are Muslims people who practice
00:44:40.300
They need to take the criticisms and the apologetics against their religion seriously
00:44:46.760
and not be like, well, I never questioned it for X reason. The things that cause you to question a
00:44:53.180
cultural system when you are in your teens, if you're presented with it regularly and competently
00:44:58.820
by a majority cultural group that is opposed to you are going to be very different from the things
00:45:04.040
that cause you to question as an adult. And a lot of them default to the answers that earn them
00:45:10.860
credit within their social hierarchies as adults that are majority that religion or majority that
00:45:18.620
Hold on. I don't know if you answered my question. Like a lot of people think that their religious
00:45:22.680
culture is strong and therefore their kids won't be vulnerable.
00:45:26.500
Okay. Yeah. And what I'm saying is how do I know your religious culture isn't strong?
00:45:31.580
Is it traditional evangelical Protestantism? Is it traditional Catholicism? Is it traditional
00:45:36.960
Islam? If it's traditional, then it is not strong.
00:45:42.240
I would note here that I have seen traditional cultures work when the only people your kids
00:45:47.820
interact with up until they're around the age of 21 are other people from your cultural group.
00:45:55.160
But even then, you know, I've seen people go wildly off the rails when they come from
00:45:59.880
traditional cultures because they just don't have good defenses to these more modern antagonistic
00:46:06.160
memetic sets. And this actually is something we might do a full episode on in the future,
00:46:10.980
but it's very interesting. When I look at the religions that are hit by declining fertility
00:46:15.380
rates, typically the age of the religious tradition correlates to how severely it's going to be hit
00:46:22.500
by declining fertility rates with, you know, very old religious systems like Hinduism and Buddhism
00:46:27.980
having very, very low fertility rates or within the Christian traditions, you know, Catholicism and
00:46:35.260
Orthodox having fairly low fertility rates while Protestants have middling fertility rates and
00:46:42.460
Mormons while they're still falling have higher fertility rates and Amish have higher fertility
00:46:46.600
rates with Amish actually being a very young tradition for people who don't know that they're,
00:46:52.000
you know, only like 200 years old, 300 years old.
00:46:54.120
Okay. So basically the, the only way that you know that you've built a strong culture that will
00:46:58.800
actually prevent your kid from succumbing to essentially like in incorrect transitioning as
00:47:07.860
a result of just, you know, body dysmorphia, general body dysmorphia. That's not actually very normal during
00:47:13.520
puberty. Everyone feels uncomfortable with their body. Yeah. So like if, if you don't have, if you have a
00:47:19.560
traditional culture, you are not protected. And what you need to do to protect yourself is in some
00:47:25.760
very carefully curate your kids' friends groups and make sure they have a very good emotional support
00:47:31.240
network to broker them through puberty in a way that won't lead them in directions that you think
00:47:36.620
will be very damaging to make sure that they understand from the get-go that when people say
00:47:44.000
that this is the easy answer, it's not. And here are the reasons why. Right. And what, what else would
00:47:51.080
you advise? Well, no, I think engaging with, so historically you didn't need to understand the
00:47:58.780
arguments against Christianity when you're in majority Christian communities. You didn't need
00:48:03.060
to understand if you engage with these attacks against your cultural system, as if you are just
00:48:10.820
engaging them to argue against them, you won't fully appreciate them. You need to engage with
00:48:15.900
them as if you believe them, as if you were persuaded by them. Attempt to steel man them, not straw man them.
00:48:23.000
Because if you don't, then you will not understand the impact they have on your children.
00:48:29.080
Cultural systems that survive by simply isolating themselves will not survive. The, the, the stressors
00:48:37.480
that you are undergoing in modern civilization are very different than they are historically.
00:48:41.900
And then in addition, I say there's another, there's a group of people who listen to this and say,
00:48:45.720
but I'm just purely secular. Well, you have to understand being secular may as well be in a cult
00:48:51.680
today. If what you're listening to is the research, because the psychologists, the people who run your,
00:48:57.060
your schools, they don't listen to the research anymore. They don't listen to data anymore.
00:49:01.940
They listen to cultural extremist viewpoints and they're increasingly taken over the institutions
00:49:07.280
that output the research. So secularity is no longer an option. Secularity is an extremist cult
00:49:14.300
and being an extremist cult, you need to find out how to defend your kids around that, but also how to
00:49:20.800
teach your kids to hide it. You know, many religious systems, and this is something I often see when
00:49:25.580
people teach their kids, just secularity, secularity, the kids go out and they just repeat the studies to
00:49:30.620
these groups. And they don't realize that that's what gets them crucified. You need to teach your
00:49:34.780
kids to not engage with the groups, but also hide from them their real perspectives. Because if they
00:49:40.500
don't, they will get crucified. They won't get into college. They can even get arrested.
00:49:45.060
Right. So if it has conservative views, teach them how to code switch at school to appear
00:49:51.440
progressive so that they don't become ostracized and hated and therefore find themselves deeply unhappy in
00:49:57.020
school. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You, they need to learn to code switch just appearing conservative all the
00:50:03.460
time. Doesn't work anymore. It needs to be like our society is controlled by a cult. How do I interact
00:50:10.060
with that cult in a way that doesn't end up with me getting crucified? Because that's the basic reality
00:50:17.040
of kids growing up today. They are in a society that's controlled by an aggressive cult that wants
00:50:21.900
to stamp out anyone who shows immunity to its mimetic subset. I love that. So the, the gist
00:50:29.660
to, or the, the answer to parents who are like really deeply concerned about bathrooms in their
00:50:35.080
schools is don't worry about the bathrooms. Make sure your kid has great friends that you trust and
00:50:41.080
respect. Talk with them in a sober minded and respectful fashion about what actually is happening
00:50:47.560
culturally and what may tempt them to do things that could be really damaging to them over the long
00:50:52.380
term. And don't straw man it, steel man it. And then third, teach your child how to act progressive
00:50:59.020
in school environments so that they can thrive and be socially accepted and probably also thrive in the
00:51:05.360
modern professional world if that's where they want to go. Interesting. You'll man the science here.
00:51:10.000
These individuals who do not teach their kids about, like if you teach your kids about LGBT culture and
00:51:16.800
you are doing that in a way that demonizes that culture, you are dooming your children. You need
00:51:23.680
to treat it with respect as other humans as if it was just another religious subsect in the same way
00:51:30.580
that, you know, Jews and, and, and that affirms that they may have attraction models or stuff like that
00:51:39.360
that are different from those that are approved was in your culture because people are changing.
00:51:43.780
We know this from the tide studies. These, these arousal patterns are much more common in the
00:51:48.740
younger generation. So you need to not be overly antagonistic towards them, but find out how to
00:51:55.500
make them work within your cultural system. Right. A kid coming to you and saying, I think I'm
00:52:00.600
attracted like a male child and they're like, I think I'm attracted to men. You, if, if your default
00:52:07.320
response to that is, then I reject you, you've lost, you've lost, you've just lost. If you say,
00:52:14.380
well, love the center, but hate the center. No, that doesn't work anymore. You need to find
00:52:18.740
realistic ways of engaging with this. And you need to educate them before they hear about all of this
00:52:25.980
from individuals who want to use it to drive a wedge between them and their birth culture to create
00:52:31.340
a cult. And in terms of what not to do, don't shelter your child. Do not denigrate this, this
00:52:39.740
other culture or the concept of becoming trans or anything else. Like, and honestly, like another big
00:52:46.880
instinct that teenagers feel is rebellion. If you basically say, here's what you can do to make me
00:52:54.240
absolutely furious, guess what you're setting yourself up for some trouble. Right. So we're
00:53:01.140
going to have to be careful about that. Yeah. And understand that this isn't like things in the past,
00:53:06.880
you know, like I was a hardcore, like goth punk scene kid, you know, Simone underwent her own
00:53:14.780
cultural rebellion. This is as if there was a, a cultural subset for teens that once you joined,
00:53:21.240
you couldn't leave. Yeah. So make sure, you know, any rebellion that you do drive your kids to is
00:53:27.180
one that does not lead to permanent life changes that they cannot reverse. But yeah, we'll see how
00:53:33.920
things evolve as our kids reach that scary adolescent phase. And I'm excited to see how it plays out.
00:53:40.580
And the final thing I suggest is when people are like, why do you do these track videos? Why do you
00:53:45.020
do this weird religious stuff? We are trying to create a cultural subset that's resistant to,
00:53:49.700
to these sorts of memetic self-replicants and or memetic prions, whatever you want to call it.
00:53:55.200
And we want to create one that can be used by people within the Abrahamic faith traditions
00:54:00.560
as sort of a backup religion for their kids. And the same way that we're like Judaism,
00:54:03.960
the backup religion for our kids as the approved alternative to the urban monoculture,
00:54:09.700
because if you are only selling them your own culture, you, you, you, you've created an incredibly
00:54:15.880
weak circumstance. Well, the alternative to your culture is the urban monoculture.
00:54:28.720
Oh, I'm so excited. I just spoke with a journalist as a politician running for office or whatever,
00:54:37.420
the attempted politician. And at the end of the call, he said, wow, you know, I've had a lot of
00:54:44.060
these interviews because his whole thing is covering state policy in Pennsylvania.
00:54:48.240
And this felt like a real conversation. This was really unique. And I'm like thinking,
00:54:53.120
what are your calls like with the other people running for office? Is it like, are they,
00:55:00.660
are they talking to you in binary code? Is it just like,
00:55:03.700
No, I think they're talking like bureaucrats. I mean, you've seen these people, right? They're just
00:55:07.740
like, these are my points. And they're afraid of negative stuff coming back to hit them.
00:55:11.640
Oh, yeah, I did. He did say that right after I was like, by the way, if you want to just
00:55:17.280
eviscerate me, go for it. Like negative coverage is welcome. Do not feel guilty.
00:55:26.520
But yeah, wow, that's interesting. Maybe or maybe they are actually robots. He's a robot. He has no
00:55:33.700
feeling. He can't feel anything. They're just robots, Morty. It's okay to shoot them. They're
00:55:43.340
Glenn's bleeding to death. Someone call his wife and children. They're not robots, Rick.
00:55:48.380
It's a figure of speech, Morty. They're bureaucrats. I don't respect them.
00:55:51.600
But it's true. I mean, you know, who minds? You have to shoot a few bureaucrats to get out of a
00:55:56.220
building. Well, I'm actually going to use this at the end of a different video because it doesn't
00:56:00.080
actually go with this topic. I'm talking to you, Malcolm. We haven't started recording. Well,
00:56:04.760
no, we have started recording it because I don't want to forget.
00:56:07.940
Well, I love that. What local journal was it for?
00:56:15.360
Well, one day the age of Trump will be over and then there will be who knows what happens next
00:56:24.100
with the conservative party and maybe you can become a leading.
00:56:27.020
And then we will broker in the age of Kanye. Although what we really need, we don't need
00:56:32.500
the age of Kanye. We need the age of Dwayne the Rock Johnson. But I just don't know if
00:56:40.680
You know, like in some like progressive-y documents from like, they actually talk about like the
00:56:49.060
Yeah. Yeah. I think it was important to like the Theosophical Society, which has like
00:56:53.680
an outsized impact and a lot of progressive policy that people...
00:56:56.840
I would love if like conservatives made conspiracy theories around that instead of the Great
00:57:03.400
Reset where they were like, you got to watch out. The age of Aquarius is what they're trying
00:57:12.040
You're not listening to the right conspiracy theorists. That's your problem, Simone.
00:57:18.540
This in-bit was actually recorded before one of our tracked videos. And in that very video,
00:57:23.120
somebody posted something about the age of Aquarius. And Simone was so excited to show
00:57:28.300
me afterwards. And she's like, oh, we should have left it in. We should have left it in.
00:57:31.880
And then I was like, yeah, but then you wouldn't know that it was a coincidence that people
00:57:35.540
are still on about that conspiracy theory. Or I don't know, hippie theory.
00:57:40.580
Sorry, I was playing into the hard connection. Also, John's replacing the thing downstairs right
00:57:48.840
So, yay. All right. I'm about to get started, Simone. So, I hope you are ready.