Based Camp - Is The Arab Brain Incompatible with Democracy？

00:00:00.000 hello simone today we are going to be talking about one of those controversial topics that i

00:00:05.360 just walked into by accident we were on another episode and i was like well you know no arab

00:00:11.840 country has a stable democracy or ever has and i just threw this out there because i was like

00:00:17.180 just in my head when i thought about it i was like yeah i can't think of any arab majority

00:00:21.460 country that has a stable democracy and then i was i re-watched myself saying that and i was like

00:00:27.640 wait that cannot conceivably be true there are 22 arab majority countries the the the region is one

00:00:35.700 of the oldest you know in terms of civilization in human history yeah has there literally never been

00:00:42.320 a single democracy in this region that lasted more than one human lifetime and the answer is

00:00:50.660 no there really hasn't been no the longest democracy ever was in this region was lebanon

00:00:58.880 and it lasted for a period of 32 years 30 oh my god not even and that was the longest the next longest

00:01:06.080 was 11 years for tunisia other than that not a single country has had a democracy last more than 10 years

00:01:15.660 and give me one this isn't like there are 22 countries in this region now to understand how

00:01:24.980 absolutely effing insane this is let's contrast this with northern european countries right you can say

00:01:32.980 okay okay how weird is it really for countries that are arab majority to never have had democracy

00:01:41.240 if you look at the 14 northern european countries in the world today all over the world not a single

00:01:51.000 one of them is in a democracy oh god like this is one of these things where you got to be like

00:01:57.080 this is not like random odds or something like that you know this is not like oh we we rolled the

00:02:06.080 dice and we just you know weren't sure or something like that so so you could now say okay malcolm

00:02:11.560 okay malcolm i know what you're getting at this is some sort of a muslim thing and i'm gonna say

00:02:18.760 actually no the majority of non-arab majority muslim countries 35 out of the 40 total non-arab

00:02:30.240 majority muslim countries yeah are democracies no way whoa okay yeah because i mean like 90 percent

00:02:39.640 of arabs are muslims but then not almost like actually maybe not even a majority of muslims no

00:02:44.900 most muslims are not arab so yeah okay yeah they might be semi-democratic systems but like if you're

00:02:50.840 talking even full democracies it's still the majority of them that are democracies which makes it even

00:02:56.500 crazier that the arab majority countries haven't had a single period of democracy in their entire

00:03:03.200 history and and and then you can say you know you go to ai about this and and and because i've tried

00:03:08.820 to like talk this through as ai okay and it gives me like terrible answers to start right like at first

00:03:15.260 like what of course of course colonialism caused this no no first of all the majority of latin america

00:03:24.080 now which was all colonized is democracies at this point you know all over east asia there are heavily

00:03:31.800 colonized areas that are democracies there are areas of africa that far worse things happen to that

00:03:38.500 happen to the arab countries in terms of colonization yeah their democracies i actually got curious about

00:03:44.940 this point and decided to look into it and of the 14 never colonized countries seven are democracies

00:03:51.280 and seven are not of the countries that were at some point in their history colonized 43.8 percent

00:03:57.800 are democracies so the probability that you're going to be a democracy does not appear to be

00:04:03.720 considerably impacted by whether or not you were colonized there's there that's that's that's not

00:04:09.920 the answer okay and the ai then said well it's war there's just so much war in that region and i said

00:04:19.560 excuse me europe went through two world wars which was much heavier conflict over a much you know

00:04:29.200 more condensed time period but still like extended like the war war war war war was the two world wars

00:04:35.480 um and most of its democratic institutions stayed intact yeah so it's it's it's not muslim it's not it's not

00:04:45.560 it's not islam it's not colonialism yeah it's not instability right and then it comes to me it goes

00:04:52.680 well it's dutch disease so for people don't know dutch disease i don't know what this is is when you have

00:04:58.460 too much wealth from a single income source like oil and that leads to consolidation of power and it makes

00:05:07.180 it more likely that you're going to have a like oh but not all arab countries are super wealthy

00:05:14.220 yeah i was like okay but what about the nordic countries that are super wealthy and are

00:05:20.440 named after the dutch and they're not

00:05:22.880 there have been plenty of instances of countries with touch disease not becoming autocracies and there

00:05:30.180 are plenty of arab countries that don't have dutch disease so that's clearly not an explanation either

00:05:36.720 okay this i just need to like audience if if you're like bad with like statistics or coin flips or

00:05:43.880 something like that and you're just like oh it's a it's a weird coincidence no this isn't a weird

00:05:50.920 coincidence this demands explanation you can't have a coin flip 22 times over

00:05:59.000 millennium or let's just say democracy is being popular is new over centuries never land democracy

00:06:08.540 you can't have that all right and and note here people can be like well you know there weren't that

00:06:14.980 many democracies historically and i'm like actually there are a lot of democracies historically you can

00:06:18.980 go back to the ancient greeks and you can go back to other weird semi-democratic systems you had

00:06:23.640 throughout europe at various periods or in in small like islands over various periods i think malta was

00:06:28.920 a democracy at one point but anyways it's something there's various countries have been democracies

00:06:32.920 at some point those don't exist anywhere in arab history so this brings us to questions that are

00:06:41.920 difficult okay yeah the first is could it be genetic so so the question here is do we know of some species

00:06:51.520 species that order themselves differently based on within the same species based on minor genetic

00:06:59.540 differences and it's like actually we do like within most great eight great ape species and we'll go

00:07:05.600 into this in a bit like our closest genetic dissident well not dissidents but relatives you will see

00:07:10.620 with regional variations which which correlate with genetic variations different ways of structuring

00:07:16.600 their tribal structures you know you might have women on top you might have men on top you might have

00:07:20.160 larger structures you might have structures where dominance changes are handled this way versus

00:07:23.740 this way this appears to be in part cultural and in part genetic so if we see this in monkeys you

00:07:29.340 probably see it in humans as well and i note here that when people are like how dare you say this

00:07:34.400 horrible thing you know that these people are different i'm like yeah but think about how many people

00:07:40.520 you killed by being unwilling to admit this when you tried to force iraq to be a democracy well

00:07:47.160 i'm also thinking i mean so to be an arab it's it's an ethno-linguistic identity so i think maybe we're

00:07:56.200 also looking at the magnification of not just genetic heritage but also a choice to lean into that culture

00:08:05.240 so you're not just looking at people who may have arab like tribal roots in in their lineage but also

00:08:12.780 people who have chosen to maintain arab language and arab identity because it is not it's not a it's not

00:08:20.160 a racial group it's not like you check arab hold on it's it's a it's an ethno-linguistic identity it

00:08:29.120 is not racial my point though is that that would make this effect even stronger because when you're

00:08:34.380 combining both genetics and opt-in culture you're looking at something a lot stronger than if you're

00:08:39.640 only looking at culture or genetics in isolation well so i was actually asking ai this because i

00:08:46.280 was so it says basically it's both but yeah you're you're right but so i was looking at ai on this to

00:08:51.520 understand exactly who the arabs are right like yeah where did they come from and why might they be so

00:08:57.660 different from other groups at a at a genetic level or an ethno-linguistic level and the thing to note

00:09:03.920 about arabs is they were the group like i wasn't sure if they like joined up with the muslims early

00:09:10.180 on or the muhammad like you know basically the desert nomads and it's like no they are the desert

00:09:15.320 nomads yeah they are the desert nomadic group as it spread out yeah i mean to be to be arab you need

00:09:22.020 common arabic language shared cultural features and historical tribal links which so absolutely

00:09:28.380 there's a genetic component like and that's a big part of it you know i don't i don't have tribal

00:09:33.620 links even if i grew up speaking arabic it would be very difficult for me to say that i was an arab

00:09:38.400 but yeah i mean it's it's it's i still think it's super important to point out that this is people who

00:09:46.100 like it's it's more than just being for example white because i'm not like leaning into white culture

00:09:51.420 for example you know walking around in birkenstocks with my socks on or something i i am

00:09:55.740 just you know just genetically white whereas like if you're arab it's because you're like

00:10:00.920 really leaning into your genetic heritage so well and this genetic heritage is very very very unique

00:10:08.840 and distinct yeah super distinct like it actually is is offensive it sounds to say it on surface level

00:10:14.140 i can't be really surprised by this tendency because if you are choosing to lean into this

00:10:19.920 ethnolinguistic identity that came from tribal cultures like tribal cultures and democracy aren't

00:10:25.700 exactly compatible well actually we're going to talk about this because the question is is why

00:10:31.860 do arabs suck so much at democracy but clan-based cultures which have a lot of similarities to tribal

00:10:39.040 based cultures don't seem to struggle with democracy as much you know whether it's the irish

00:10:44.140 or the backwoods people or the scottish why why don't they have problems with democracy in the way

00:10:49.300 that the arabs do if the answer is just tribalism and and note that what we're basically in a fight

00:10:55.200 their form of tribalism is very different than these forms of tribalism the the the the reason

00:11:00.540 why arabs are so unique is they had this desert nomadic tribal groups which you've got to keep in

00:11:07.340 mind how effing weird the genetic pressures on this group were yeah historically speaking no other group

00:11:12.840 underwent anything like this for as long as the the environmental pressures alone are so unique

00:11:17.780 compared to how other civilizations developed arabs include the bedouins that's like what a lifestyle

00:11:24.360 i mean i guess they were like mongolians who lived kind of similar nomadic so yeah the mongolians are

00:11:30.000 the only group i can think of having any similarity to this but essentially it was a a very what if it

00:11:36.380 was a species you would call them an extremophile species totally and we we've often mentioned this

00:11:41.080 means that they specialize in an extreme condition it's sometimes extremophile species not species

00:11:46.780 extremophile ethnic groups when they get their act together and eventually interact with

00:11:52.660 non-extremophile ethnic groups they have developed so uniquely that the non-extremophile ethnic groups

00:11:59.300 just basically get creamed by them this has happened yeah i mean when we think about the way that we

00:12:04.960 want to genetically modify and culturally shape our future descendants we want to become extremophiles

00:12:11.220 we are not extremophiles right now we want to create an extremophile ethno in the far north yeah

00:12:16.680 yeah yeah but but the what i mean come on the far north is a jumping off point for space but whatever

00:12:22.000 yeah if you're like when has this happened in human history where an extremophile ethnic or cultural

00:12:26.540 group ended up encountering a non-extremophile ethnic group and was just like oh shoot these these

00:12:32.580 techniques we've built to live in these incredibly harsh conditions just make you no threat to us at

00:12:37.440 all well it's not just with the arab explosion which was huge like arabs basically conquered i i think

00:12:43.960 at least half as much as rome did at the at the the height of their empire after like muhammad took

00:12:50.380 like a bunch of warring desert clans and was like you know i bet if we stopped warring with each other we

00:12:57.760 could take over the world and i think a lot of people would have been like no that's crazy

00:13:02.480 but he did it but we also also like the if we could just stop warring like imagine if

00:13:07.960 scottish people got to that point no that's that's basically what happened with the vikings

00:13:12.160 is they were like bro it's so much easier to kill like the mainlanders than it is to kill other vikings

00:13:19.260 yeah like let's just go do that every every summer and so the vikings did that and they were basically

00:13:25.880 completely unstoppable for a pretty big period i think like a hundred years or something

00:13:31.900 maybe this is what's happening with the the generally conservative coalition that has risen

00:13:36.500 is because the left has fallen prey to so much internal infighting you know they're just like

00:13:43.440 what if we just got along for a little while what if we just no that is literally like what the

00:13:48.280 pro natalist movement is like religious extremists and like pro tech people being like

00:13:51.600 what if we stopped fighting each other for just a little bit and raided all these juicy farms

00:13:56.960 no that's just too much winning too much winning too much winning but but it's not just that you

00:14:01.380 also you know you mentioned the the step people this repeatedly happened with them they lived in

00:14:05.060 incredibly hard step conditions they they would encounter other groups like as we saw with the

00:14:11.720 various step people invasions of both europe and china where they would just absolutely no one could

00:14:19.000 stand against them so this is something that happened a few times but one of the times it happened

00:14:22.680 was with the arabs and so this was an incredibly unique group and i think that to just to treat

00:14:30.020 them like they're like oh well they're near the persians so they're kind of like the persians it's like

00:14:36.580 no they're not or or they're you know adjacent to like pakistan so they're kind of like pakistan

00:14:43.420 yeah that's like it's acting as though like scottish clans are like basically the same as english farmers

00:14:49.200 no yeah i mean and culturally and this is the thing you don't need to be that genetically distant

00:14:54.580 to be in the ways that genetics interacts with culture very different yeah because you have to

00:15:00.460 think about the selective pressures that lead to successful reproduction and passing on of your

00:15:05.360 genetic and cultural heritage in each of these different environments you know if you are in a

00:15:11.600 tribe-based culture in a super harsh environment the things that will make you successful

00:15:15.680 in reproducing and having kids and raising them successfully and having them do that in turn

00:15:20.140 are going to be very different from a more urban civilization-based culture that lives just like

00:15:25.640 50 miles away it's obviously going to change outcomes and and and traits so but there's another

00:15:33.320 big thing okay okay because i was i was going through and i was trying to like a grok this myself and i was

00:15:38.900 thinking everything i know about local geopolitics and everything like that

00:15:41.840 why arabs and arabs only why not other muslims what is at play here what is at play here

00:15:51.880 saudi arabia saudi arabia is a major reason why this is the case okay why saudi arabia is a very very

00:16:01.500 very very very wealthy monarchy saudi arabia is filled with arabs and the saudi arabian royal

00:16:11.760 family believes believes uh not not just for you know shits and giggles but with like real good

00:16:20.820 reason that their lives and future could be at risk if a democracy ever establishes itself within other

00:16:30.440 arab countries because the saudi arabian royal family sees the arab cultural groups as being essentially

00:16:38.920 their dominion and since nobody really has the money to push back on them and and then you could

00:16:46.420 be like well who might have the money to push back on them well the qataris or the uae could have the money

00:16:52.400 to push back on them but both of those countries are also monarchies um so the more money a country has

00:17:00.920 within the arab peninsula the more like like from dutch disease or from you know capturing oil the more

00:17:08.680 stable the monarchy is within that country

00:17:13.160 so you have this small collection of incredibly stable monarchies within the region sort of led by

00:17:21.800 saudi arabia no saudi arabia is in conflict with the qataris a lot but both of them agree that they don't

00:17:27.000 want non-monarchies establishing themselves in the region the same with the uae because if you are a

00:17:32.220 monarch i mean imagine the way the monarchs felt in europe when they saw the french revolution happening

00:17:36.760 like we have a lot of letters about this they were freaked the f out they were like bro this is bad

00:17:43.240 like this could come here we need to make this look bad we need to frame this as bad we need to stop

00:17:48.500 this from happening so you have a situation where because you do have among and for cultural reasons

00:17:55.520 among the economically most productive areas of the region stable monarchies that have a vested

00:18:01.580 interest in preventing anything other from a monarchy from existing so whenever one of the other

00:18:07.040 countries that because it doesn't have as much dutch disease might be able to have a revolution and

00:18:12.800 create something other than a monarchy yeah attempts at that it's stamped down by the saudis and their

00:18:18.840 allies and so if we're going to go to four specific examples of this you have bahrain 2011 saudi-led

00:18:24.640 gulf corporation council forces invaded to quash pro-democracy protests preserving the sunni monarchy

00:18:29.940 against the shiite majority uprising this was framed as countering iranian influence but effectively

00:18:34.700 halted democratic movements egypt 2013 saudi arabia provided billions of dollars in aid to back the

00:18:40.320 military coup against president muhammad marsi muslim brotherhood linked stabilizing adal fatah

00:18:46.780 al-sizi's authoritarian rule reports describe this as part of a counter-revolutionary strategy to roll back

00:18:52.800 arab spring given 2015 the present saudi military intervention against houthi revels seen as

00:18:59.060 iranian proxies has prolonged chaos preventing stable governance democratic or otherwise and

00:19:04.600 ensuring yemen remains a failed state rather than a potential democratic model broader arab spring

00:19:09.960 countering saudi arabia funneled funds to autocrats in jordan morocco and oman to buy off

00:19:19.160 protesters with subsidies while supporting crackdowns in syria and lebanon analysts argued that this

00:19:24.400 created a democracy-free zone in the gulf's orbit with saudi petrodollars enabling regimes to weather

00:19:30.900 economic pressures that might otherwise force reforms and i noted you know when i was going over this

00:19:35.960 with the ai they don't need to focus on non-arab countries as much because they are not seen as

00:19:41.500 really being similar to them so saudi influences geographically and culturally bound to the arab sphere

00:19:47.080 where shared language history and institutions e.g. arabs being amplifies leverage iran as a non-arab

00:19:52.480 shiite power operates as a rival axis syria hezbollah etc resisting saudi meddling through its own

00:19:58.560 proxies saudi iranian rivalry has even in indirectly bolstered iran's theocracy by framing reforms as

00:20:05.880 saudi-backed threats non-arab muslims e.g turkey and indonesia are outside this orbit turkey's democracy

00:20:12.180 albeit flawed persisted despite ottoman legacies and indonesia's post-1998 transition faced no saudi

00:20:18.780 interference recent ex-discussions echoes this noting saudi efforts to prevent democracy and

00:20:24.460 arab natives as a survival tactic so i will note that it is in part artificial which is created in

00:20:33.960 part by the dutch disease of the region and the friendships and power plays of the regions focused

00:20:40.100 around the saudis that are doing this not as some sort of big conspiracy but it's an existential

00:20:44.860 freak out in the same way that many european monarchs freaked out during the french revolution

00:20:50.140 they're just doing what they have to do yeah to not die playing the you know in in books the the noble

00:20:58.140 power games of nobles because i read a lot of romance manga these days are framed always you know in

00:21:04.160 this sort of underhanded but but but you know sort of romanticized way but the reality is a lot of the

00:21:10.700 the power plays of nobles is preventing democracy and a lot of the power plays of the monarch is

00:21:15.480 preventing the nobles from getting more power the aristocracy from getting more power now let's go to

00:21:22.060 the question of tribalism because the tribalism was in this region is very unique while tribalism exists

00:21:28.380 globally e.g. clans in somalia or scotland it's more pervasive and politically salient in arab context

00:21:34.880 reshaping everything from family loyalty to state building this stems from bedouin nomadic roots where

00:21:40.180 survival depended on kin alliances in harsh deserts contrasting was more settled in urbanized non-arab muslim

00:21:46.100 societies islam moderated pre-islamic tribalism e.g. emphasizing umam and asabab something or group

00:21:54.640 solidarity but in arab lands it fused with it creating a hybrid structure that prioritized and

00:22:00.840 extended clans over national identity so in arab societies tribes quabila are core social units

00:22:07.840 often tracing patrilineal descent to ancient ancestors e.g. quamish in saudi arabia or quares in

00:22:14.560 saudi arabia families are extended and hierarchical with loyalty to clan elders of a writing state

00:22:20.020 institutions this fosters patronage wasta where jobs votes and resources flow through tribal networks

00:22:26.560 undermining merit-based democracy in places like yemen or libya tribal federations act as quasi-states

00:22:32.880 vetoing central authority exposts highlight this noting arab's pride and patrilineal lineage

00:22:37.940 spanning centuries and larger extended families non-arab muslims tribalism is present but diluted

00:22:45.220 or transformed in indonesia kinsip is bilateral by both parents both parents alliance matter with

00:22:51.300 village-based not nomadic structures emphasizing community harmony over clan rivalry and has

00:22:57.300 bradaria brotherhoods similar to tribes but they're more caste-like and integrated into feudal systems

00:23:03.340 allowing electoral competition turkey's ottoman legacy shifted towards centralized bureaucracy eroding

00:23:09.460 tribal power iran emphasizes persian nationalism over tribes among kurds and balak overall non-arabs of

00:23:16.740 weaker asabi enabling stronger national institutions and civil societies that support democracy this

00:23:22.500 difference explains why non-arab muslims often score higher on social trust metrics per world value

00:23:28.020 surveys so note here arab muslims also score very low on social trust and and then when i yeah if you

00:23:33.860 don't have high social i don't know though we don't have very high social trust in the u.s do we and we still have

00:23:38.260 well yeah we'll get to that okay the ottoman context so the ottoman had the millet system

00:23:45.620 when they ruled these territories primarily for religious minorities christians we're all about

00:23:49.940 that bring back the millet system people granting them autonomy and personal law and taxation to

00:23:54.900 maintain loyalty was out full integration in arab provinces e.g his iraq they layered this with tribal

00:24:00.820 pacts appointing sheiks as intermediaries to collect taxes and provide troops avoiding direct

00:24:05.700 confrontation with somatic groups this system worked because imposing centralized control on

00:24:10.180 tribes often backfired leading to revolts it preserved tribal autonomy which later hindered

00:24:15.380 post-ottoman nation states now on note here this is what we should have done in iraq we should have

00:24:19.540 done a millet system there are too many competing ethnic and tribal groups within the region that just

00:24:24.260 have no interest in getting along with each other this also this this extremely tribalist framing

00:24:30.260 also explains why israel was able to essentially curb stomp dramatically larger better funded and

00:24:37.540 more technologically advanced arab armies because they were a culturally and ethnic unified tribe

00:24:45.140 so and when they just related to this differently if you go back to like the seven years war the

00:24:50.100 yom kippur war many people see israel and they think of those wars as if israel today was fighting those

00:24:55.460 wars you know the technological and economic powerhouse that israel is oh yeah but it was not

00:25:00.260 yeah it was not that it had it had worse equipment than the forces that were up against it they were

00:25:06.340 dramatically larger than israel they all attacked surprise on a holiday nonetheless just to you know

00:25:12.980 really f with them they they really should have lost i think like in in in some battles they were

00:25:18.820 outnumbered like a hundred to one and they still won and the the large reason why people factor this in

00:25:25.700 is extreme tribalism among the attacking groups they they saw the other groups that were attacking

00:25:32.980 alongside them even from within their culture as being as different from themselves as as the israelis

00:25:40.420 were in many cases and more than that within this tribal arab structure the secondary thing is

00:25:47.220 huge amounts of class divide the generals would not have seen the forces serving under them as fully

00:25:55.060 human often no they were just numbers they're just like you attack and i tell you what to do and i'm

00:26:01.700 no this is a an aristocratic if you you have we have aristocratic muslim friends okay i have aristocratic

00:26:09.220 arab muslim friends the way that they see the the poor who live under them i'm i'm not even saying it's

00:26:18.180 with animosity or anything like that it's they're a different type of human than them it's a society and

00:26:24.420 social structure that is much more comfortable with true aristocracy than jewish culture is the jewish

00:26:32.820 generals would have seen the people fighting under them not as numbers but as you know mothers and

00:26:40.340 fathers and brothers and and and people that they prayed alongside and everything like that where you

00:26:45.540 wouldn't have had the same relationship between the the higher ups and i know this this this this sounds

00:26:52.740 bad but it's just the way arab society is structured and it has been since the time of muhammad

00:26:58.180 is much more hierarchical much higher power distance some societies are just way higher power distance than other

00:27:04.660 societies and was in these societies it's not even seen as like a bad thing like if you're from a low power

00:27:10.260 power distance society you get mad that anyone would ever see themselves as that degree of above

00:27:17.620 you because that's what being in a low power distance society is about yeah if you are in a

00:27:22.900 high power distance society this stuff can seem bizarre to you so for example peru where we operate

00:27:28.900 our company the fairly high power distance society and we had a problem where when we were trying to

00:27:33.780 replace one of the managers we had an entire team say that they would quit rather than take

00:27:40.500 a promotion that wouldn't happen in the united states it just wouldn't somebody's gonna take

00:27:46.100 that promotion good you know and if no it wasn't like they were mad or protesting the person being

00:27:51.860 fired everyone thought the person had done a bad job it was more like they were like i don't want

00:27:56.900 that level of like the way that they saw being at that higher level was that they would be blamed for

00:28:03.940 more things going wrong and they would have to do more work so they were like screw that

00:28:08.180 yeah i don't want that even if it meant you know higher pay more control very much i'm lower cast

00:28:14.340 and i'm happy about being lower cast why would i watch all the problems of the nobility they have

00:28:18.980 to manage so much i'm so glad i'm not an alpha yeah it was terrible it was it's not even a really

00:28:27.380 it's not the craziest high power distance society so even yeah we couldn't even deal with that

00:28:32.580 although we've gone also to even lower power distance societies and been kind of creeped out

00:28:39.300 by them and how i'm like don't you know i'm better than you like i love yonta like all that yeah i get

00:28:45.940 creeped out by like like scando societies they they do not so they they to me feel like a communist

00:28:54.980 it's like can't you just admit that some people are like better at things than other people like

00:28:59.140 they have this rule in the law of yonta though the tall wet grass gets cut you know don't don't

00:29:04.580 grow higher than the other grass you know that's a huge negative thing within this cultural group

00:29:09.060 and i find that to be really gross and like antagonistic to on it just like it it it it

00:29:14.100 stops people from pursuing exceptionalism and doing really amazing things which annoys me because i want

00:29:21.940 people to be exceptional in whatever ways they can uniquely be exceptional yeah so what we're noting here

00:29:27.780 is we're also not like extremely low power distance people either yeah but the the the that's that's

00:29:33.300 a part of this level i think this is all to say though that tolerance for power distance probably

00:29:38.500 has some intuitive genetic component to it as well that like we on a very intuitive level seem to

00:29:45.540 want to like vomit in the face of both higher and lower power distance yeah there's probably a genetic

00:29:50.660 component to this as well yeah yeah and that there seem to be very intuitive and instinctual responses

00:29:58.180 to different forms of governance as well that for some people's just like this is not and it's not

00:30:03.460 for me the technology power distances can provide different advantages for different groups it appears

00:30:11.300 that these days economically low power distance or at least medium power distance is the the most optimal

00:30:17.300 and high power distance is very bad for economic development but you know that this is neither here

00:30:23.140 nor let's continue with how in other ways their their tribal system is different patrilineal lineage

00:30:28.180 tracing many arabs recite their ancestry back 10 generations plus often to pre-islamic figures and

00:30:33.460 even biblical ones like adam an anecdote from iraq a man claimed his family had used tribal records

00:30:39.140 kept by sheikhs or oral traditions to trace back to adam via abraham emphasizing tribal purity and status my

00:30:45.940 family has one of those by the way tracing back to adam when when his family ever said all you need

00:30:50.340 to do is trace to a biblical figure and then it's very easy to trace back just so people know you

00:30:54.580 don't go all the way back to adam you just go to like charlemagne which i'm descended from and

00:30:59.940 then from charlemagne because we all these famous figures have and you trace back because it was just

00:31:04.180 charlemagne dot dot dot adam is that what you're saying by the ancestor i have in common was elon musk

00:31:09.540 charlemagne yeah i have a bunch of more recent famous ancestors but some cultures care a lot

00:31:16.020 about ancestry and clan cultures care a lot about it and tribal cultures care a lot about it so this

00:31:19.780 is something i share with them note here that this pride isn't just it's not just pride it's also

00:31:24.500 functional lineage determined for marriage irritability inheritance and alliances in contrast

00:31:29.300 to nuclear families elsewhere arab extended families alahi include uncles cousins and in-laws

00:31:34.660 as core decision makers with elders holding veto power cousin marriages bent am these these are the

00:31:40.660 preferred marriage to a family's brother sorry a father's brother's daughter is common up to 50

00:31:46.740 in some regions reinforcing tribal bonds and keeping wealth internal anecdote in bedouin communities

00:31:52.740 grooms tribe displays power at weddings by firing guns in the air signaling protection for the bride

00:31:58.340 as she joins a new tribe oh that's a sweet tradition i i guess that would come from another

00:32:02.980 clan-based culture being like oh yeah this is we're the signaling that won't protect you but from what

00:32:08.260 the other tribes in the region because again they are descended from regions where there was constant

00:32:12.660 tribal conflict tribal protection ikawani brotherhood non-kin can be adopted via ikawah

00:32:19.220 granting full tribal rights anecdote from yemen a man sought refuge with sheikh jabor jin gabal

00:32:25.300 becoming his quote-unquote brother after the Sikh's death the man's plea at the grave

00:32:29.700 you gave me brotherhood now your sons forsake me prompted the sons to honor it poetically quote

00:32:36.420 my father heard you from the grave and bids us to protect you even in hell sorry even to hell i

00:32:42.100 guess you wouldn't say a father in hell even to hell illustrates a shabby unbreakable loyalty beyond

00:32:48.100 blood now what i actually noted is at first i was like yeah but if this is the case then why do clan-based

00:32:58.020 structures like if tribalism with a huge factor here why do clan-based structures like the scott

00:33:03.380 or or the irish or the backwoods american michael the ska scots oh the scots i thought that you were

00:33:10.180 like trying to imply that the music genre was like some kind of ethnic group and i was like is this a

00:33:14.580 thing please irish and the backwoods people again like the redneck greater appellation cultural group

00:33:19.460 that i'm from and simone's from these are all clan-based cultural groups where you really focus on the

00:33:24.500 clan you don't have extended networks of friends you you you are like this is what matters it is my

00:33:29.140 clan that matter and and then i started thinking about it and i was like oh actually they adopted

00:33:35.380 democracy kind of late compared to other people within their regions ireland really only adopted

00:33:41.060 democracy because they were conquered by britain and then they kept the democracy after the revolution

00:33:46.580 but they were pretty effing late to democracy scotland was earlier to democracy but scottish

00:33:53.460 democracy was really quite defensive against the english structure they were like how can we get

00:33:59.220 the maximum number of clans on board with what we're doing and if you look at the backwood cultures

00:34:05.140 even as they lived alongside like american democracy they often would have alternate democratic

00:34:12.340 structures locally that were in competition with the american democratic structures so the regulators

00:34:17.300 are a good example of this they form their own police forces in local government i'm checking to see if

00:34:23.220 appellation cultures in the u.s have lower rates of voting oh that'd be interesting but basically the

00:34:29.780 difference between these two groups has to do with how they relate to larger hierarchy the the

00:34:38.100 scottish group in the greater appalachian group what did you learn simone you just did a i learned

00:34:43.380 something face they do have lower rates of voting and the 2012 presidential election only 55 of the

00:34:49.060 voting age population in appalachia cast ballots compared to 60.5 naturally or sorry nationally

00:34:56.100 they do and across multiple studies yeah whoa yeah young voter participation can be even lower

00:35:04.980 yeah no very interesting okay yeah so maybe there's just something that like if you're in

00:35:08.980 if you have clan-based roots maybe you're a little less into democracy in general whether you're actually

00:35:14.740 an arab or not hold on because they have within every one of these regions created very stable democratic

00:35:22.020 systems eventually and so the question is is why in these regions was particularly scottish and and the

00:35:30.420 greater appalachian backwards cultural tradition both are related to each other like they're basically

00:35:34.900 scottish descendants they're called scotch-irish but that was because they were the scottish

00:35:38.180 scott's irish to conquer the irish but they're still scottish so they're it's it's confusing there

00:35:45.700 in albion seed david hackett fisher often refers to them as borderland cultures rather than scott's

00:35:52.820 irish since it's kind of not yeah it's not the best descriptive it's not the best descriptive but

00:35:57.620 anyway the point being is both of these groups are technically the same and they actually seem to take

00:36:01.300 to democracy pretty quickly and so the question is is why did they take to democracy quickly and the

00:36:07.220 answer comes from looking at the motivations on the ground level as they decided to either fight

00:36:14.020 in revolutions for democracy or as they decided to form the initial like presbyterian communities

00:36:19.860 which are really sort of proto-religious democracies as opposed to the more authoritarian

00:36:25.380 catholic or anglican structure which comes to is basically closer to a monarchistic way of of

00:36:31.860 organizing a church and the answer is because they have an intense hatred of authority which is not

00:36:39.300 seen in the muslim countries in the muslim version of tribalism was in these clan-based structures it was

00:36:46.340 the clan is first and anything that tries to mess with the clan or touch the clan or interfere with

00:36:52.580 the clan's autonomy is something that you need to fight against and so if democracy looked like the

00:36:59.220 form of government that would mess with them the least or impose the least external impositions on

00:37:05.060 them they're gonna fight for it basically small government extremists whereas the in in the early days

00:37:11.780 at least whereas in the islamic countries it's quite different the loyalty to tribe is also loyalty to

00:37:19.460 tribal alliances and a tribal alliance network which fundamentally undermines the democratic state

00:37:26.660 because it acts as an alternate to the democratic state yeah it undermines it yeah 100 percent worse

00:37:32.660 it's really bad when you combine it with islam because as if you're in the backwoods cultural

00:37:39.620 tradition and somebody comes and they say you need to live this way or that way i'd be like on who's

00:37:46.500 effing authority yeah yeah and and they'd be like oh well you know on these this rich coastal elitist

00:37:54.500 authority i'm like i'm sorry no but if you go to to the tribal groups in muslim regions they say

00:38:01.380 on who's authority and it's oh this this theocratic leader you know this muslim leader and they're like

00:38:07.380 oh of course and these these muslim leadership communities and you're like what what about like

00:38:11.700 the scottish region and stuff like that like why didn't that fall to this and this is what

00:38:15.780 the presbyterians were the presbytery system right they'd say like on whose authority and they'd be

00:38:20.660 like you know well this anglican bishop right or this catholic bishop and they'd be like well who the

00:38:26.900 eff appointed him and they'd be like well some rich guy in rome and they're like well i don't i don't

00:38:32.500 care about him we should be voting on this you know or they'd say the king in england and they'd be

00:38:37.620 like what the heck does he have to do with with god you know we should we should we should be we

00:38:42.500 should be making this more local you know sort of ground up and so i think that this fundamental

00:38:48.740 difference between the two cultural groups is why democracy works within these types of clan-based

00:38:55.060 structures while more slowly than under the more feudal english structure and i.e in the english

00:39:03.460 structure when you go to these early periods you would have a loyalty to your your like region's

00:39:10.340 sort of lord over family or or local clan whereas in the irish scottish and backwoods areas it was

00:39:18.180 clan overlord but within the muslim areas it is tribal network over basically everything else because the way

00:39:27.540 that you advance your clan is through the tribal network and then in addition to that it's don't

00:39:34.500 disappoint you know your local religious leaders who sort of manage the tribal network of alliances

00:39:40.820 and tell you when they're telling you what to do they tell you well this is why this is what you do

00:39:46.020 right yeah all this is getting me to think about how i mean first i saw this in a very limited capacity

00:39:52.740 how context really really matters when it comes to governing formats like communism works really

00:39:58.340 really well on a very small community or family level like our family is communist and all of our

00:40:05.060 chickens have communist names and it makes sense and it works perfectly communism 100 works and has

00:40:10.900 been tried and is tried every single day on the family level for millions and millions and millions

00:40:14.820 yeah i mean my kids don't work and i give them a portion of my income you know from

00:40:19.140 to each according to their needs from each according to their ability exactly and but

00:40:22.980 now i'm i'm thinking that you this this podcast this conversation has got me thinking about how

00:40:28.260 maybe also democracy really only thrives in certain contexts and we need to just be aware of that

00:40:34.580 that like communism isn't inherently bad you just need to apply it correctly democracy isn't inherently

00:40:40.420 good or bad you just need to apply it correctly and very clearly in many it doesn't work for

00:40:47.380 everyone and if you attempt to apply it to a group that is not adapted for it yeah you're gonna have

00:40:52.740 math deaths you know yes in some countries where clearly democracy just wasn't meant to work

00:41:01.380 was doomed to fail from the beginning just like communism on a super large scale in like russia or in

00:41:10.100 this like i think that communism can work on at least a small scale was in some communities

00:41:16.740 absolutely and and we saw this was and with certain levels of technology and post scarcity singularity

00:41:23.380 potentially but here we're talking about the real world what's it no what's the the communist small

00:41:28.740 communes they had in israel kibbutzim but you can't scale it up bigger than that and it's not going

00:41:36.020 to work for every ethnic group and and this is also true of the millet system the millet system may

00:41:41.380 not work for every ethnic group but it doesn't work for arab groups you know more of a persian thing

00:41:46.580 right it was when the persians ruled the arabs and it was how they ruled the arabs ah okay okay

00:41:51.540 and if you're talking about no people of one species couldn't have multiple ways of

00:41:58.820 genetically structuring their society and then here we're going to get to chimpanzees so we're

00:42:02.820 going to go to evidence remains okay okay these groups in africa african regions exhibit distinct

00:42:08.660 social behaviors for example west african chimps are more cooperative in hunting and tool use not

00:42:15.140 cracking with stones while east african groups show more aggressive patrolling and infanticide

00:42:20.020 they okay okay sorry okay and then bonobos often called peaceful compared to chimps warlike

00:42:26.340 structures have matriarchal groups with high social tolerance but this varies regionally e.g more

00:42:32.820 alliances in the congo basin groups genetic studies show minimum fixed so and then overall ape cultures

00:42:39.700 including social structures evolve through a second inheritance system of social learning which

00:42:45.380 functions alongside the dna and sort of reinforces how small genetic differences can create quite big

00:42:52.100 behavior differences in terms of how you're socially structuring a community and i think it can lead to

00:42:58.580 a huge amount of if you look at the number of deaths and dollars spent trying to stabilize an iraqi

00:43:05.220 democracy when i think it was fundamentally impossible to begin with yeah it it you see the horror that comes

00:43:13.540 downstream of not just accepting that some people are different from you yeah it's like giving a

00:43:19.460 medical treatment to someone who won't tolerate it right it's like saying it would be racist to say

00:43:26.020 that black people have different bodies than white people it's like well actually this is something you

00:43:30.820 really need to pay attention to when you're doing like treatments of diabetes or pregnancy because they

00:43:36.740 they're just women and men that's that's a really famous example the yeah well example that even car

00:43:42.020 seats have just like crash tests and whatnot not really been tested on women like women are really

00:43:48.100 a big deal yeah because they're just like it's tested on somebody yeah but like they haven't really been

00:43:52.180 tested on male bodies and or sorry on female bodies like even the first female crash test dummy is

00:43:57.380 didn't emerge until forever ago and still car seats are 100 optimized around male bodies so women are

00:44:02.260 kind of screwed in car accidents women men are more likely to get into car accidents so i'm okay with

00:44:06.740 the design being what it is but there actually is you know ride safer the company that we got this kid

00:44:11.140 harness car seats for for four months they also sell a special car seat harness that you can use to

00:44:17.060 replace male designed car seats especially as a pregnant woman because pregnant women are kind of

00:44:23.220 screwed in car accidents too if they're not wearing the right car seat well so but this could really

00:44:28.500 screw i find the male female difference because broadly like everything different no obviously

00:44:33.380 and like i mean you know we're really big on polygenic scores and a really big problem with

00:44:37.700 most of the polygenic scores out there is like okay maybe this makes sense if you're of especially

00:44:42.900 english or european descent but if you're african if you're east asian like you can't really use this

00:44:49.620 the same way i think that's a lot not a very good analogy because you're just talking about where this

00:44:54.260 stuff has been collected and the point i'm talking about is the denial that we are different leads to

00:45:01.860 really bad outcomes often for minority communities oh yeah a much stronger example of this can be

00:45:09.460 just saying black and white bodies are not different well this causes a huge problem when

00:45:15.460 black women and this is a big problem in the pronatalist movement learn that i think it's literally

00:45:20.660 double like black fertility problems are literally double white fertility problems yeah we i think

00:45:25.620 we did a podcast on this or we talked about it at one point and it was it was shocking it's shockingly

00:45:30.980 high or maybe 50 higher or something but it's really really bad it's it's notable and if you don't

00:45:36.420 tell black women hey you need to prep for this you can lead to really like really screw over them

00:45:44.260 culturally speaking the the other really big one with black people that is super offensive to mention

00:45:50.100 and i'll explain why it's offensive to mention in just a second is black people have shorter

00:45:55.540 child gestation cycles it's about a week shorter for a black child to be born than a white child

00:46:01.860 and you can be like oh i don't understand where this could cause problems it causes a very big problem

00:46:08.900 in interracial marriages because when you have black fathers and white mothers you get no impact from

00:46:15.460 this because the mother's body just carries the baby extra long and and that's good but when you

00:46:20.660 have white fathers and black mothers there was a interesting study on this very you know obviously

00:46:26.820 spicy that showed that the mother's body doesn't know it's carrying a baby that's supposed to

00:46:32.420 gestate ejects a baby that's not quite ready so we give the baby that's a week premature when it's born

00:46:39.220 and you can see this in the statistics of of these children's development like they are

00:46:44.900 developmentally impacted by this as if they had been born a week early and we can attest from

00:46:50.900 personal anecdotal experience that having kids born premature has knock on effects for years yeah we had

00:46:57.300 a kid who was born premature and he's still like in the bottom one percent of of weight and height for

00:47:01.940 his age yeah he's the same size and he wears the same clothes and shoes as his younger sister who is

00:47:08.660 18 months younger than him so yeah yeah so so again this isn't like us being like you know this

00:47:14.740 is something intrinsically bad about black people or interracial relationships it's just a good heads

00:47:19.140 up thing i mean it would be helpful to know like especially but you know if you if you know that you're

00:47:24.340 going to have a kid that's more likely to be born premature you can plan certain things that can

00:47:29.140 help to ameliorate the effects of premature birth it's meaningful right yeah and and if if we are

00:47:35.860 different in some ways you know be aware of how we're different and and be willing to i think

00:47:41.700 within yourself and this is always one of the big themes of our podcast to look within yourself when

00:47:46.900 somebody's saying this is the way that we do things and be like but will this actually because a lot of

00:47:53.140 people are like multi-ethnic right and they're like well how do i know what my you know unique biology

00:48:00.500 wants and i'm like well try to ignore what society tells you and ask yourself like are friends actually

00:48:07.060 an important part of your life do you actually need that do you actually i mean like i'm just talking

00:48:12.260 about like the ways that we're weird right like i don't need to look at my ancestors and see that

00:48:17.940 all of their friends were clan-based or family friends to know that i really don't get that much

00:48:23.780 from social interactions even though i'm told i'm supposed friendship is magic and all that it's not even that

00:48:28.660 you can't you don't get that much it's that we it actively stresses us out we have to recover after

00:48:35.060 yes i don't i'm my wife is my battery it's only being around her you know they talk about like

00:48:39.940 introverts and extroverts it's only being around the clan that i recharge you know it's it's the same

00:48:45.140 you know or or what else you know like sleeping in different rooms right like i don't need to know

00:48:49.380 whether my ancestors slept in different rooms i know it seems effing insane for a husband and wife

00:48:53.860 to sleep in the same room they're like i mean to be fair though that one's a little weird because

00:48:58.900 i mean in the past everyone kind of piled up on one bed like everyone would be on this bed over here

00:49:03.700 that's not true for different groups and a lot of rural groups that's true for urban populations

00:49:07.860 like a lot of catholic and irish populations that was common for rural populations because land was

00:49:12.100 basically free and all you needed to do yeah he sure wasn't though malcolm come on i watch a lot more

00:49:16.740 like history lifestyle stuff if you if you spend a day just building an extra room you had an extra

00:49:22.660 room if you look at the size so no seriously you have you ever looked at the size of the

00:49:28.340 houses that people used to live in back then i mean i know so like the the colonial houses and

00:49:33.300 this is talked about in albion seed when he talks about the folk ways of architecture that differed across

00:49:37.700 cultures absolutely like puritan culture had kids in separate rooms and when when it was possible yeah

00:49:44.740 yeah yeah i'll ask ai you know what i'll ask ai right now oh yeah you really want to win this

00:49:49.700 one don't you oh oh yeah i want you to have is this because you lost the ethno-linguistic group

00:49:56.100 we'll see oh i miss i miss when we did bets i i don't think i ever took the money from you though

00:50:02.900 when i won the bets to be fair

00:50:09.540 did you know by the way i was just thinking about differences between animals and different

00:50:12.420 geographic areas that birds have different accents yes i knew birds had different accents you didn't

00:50:18.420 know birds had different accents i i i knew it only in adulthood i didn't know it as a kid

00:50:27.140 and oh you got this right they were more often single room structures especially in the early

00:50:32.260 stage of the settlement even when they were multi-room structures so the family would still

00:50:35.460 sleep often in the same area because that's the place where it would be warm at night

00:50:38.500 yeah it had to do with heating yeah you're welcome oh if only we were still betting because

00:50:46.980 i would have just made 20 bucks but no you just stopped doing that even after a bunch of times i was

00:50:55.140 wrong you're never wrong simone you're the perfect wife that's what the perfect husband says but i see

00:51:02.100 this is this is what i'm talking about here you don't need to look at your ancestral heritage you can

00:51:05.780 know what works for you yeah because there are always going to be deviations just do what's

00:51:09.860 right heritage what's right but also like i don't i don't think that families piled into one you know

00:51:16.260 they didn't all sleep in the kitchen together because they wanted to they did it because they didn't have

00:51:21.220 a choice so yeah i i'm not i'm not super concerned about that being a an inherited trait

00:51:31.780 i i think our people's tendency to keep moving out to frontiers away from cities away from density of

00:51:39.860 people is a larger indication of why we would enjoy separate bedrooms when given the opportunity and

00:51:46.500 luxury which if it remains even in our time a huge luxury that we use separate bedrooms so you know

00:51:54.420 hello all right have a great day simone and i was gonna start another episode what are we what are

00:52:03.220 we doing for dinner tonight just i guess reheating something or yeah so we have a couple options i can

00:52:09.940 make sourdough it's not whole wheat for you because i mean that would be offensive to you and you can have

00:52:16.420 that with jam or like dip it in curries or we can just do a mystery curry with rice this time you know

00:52:24.580 what i'm gonna do your your sourdough with cheese again and then no i don't i don't have flatbread

00:52:30.980 that would have to be another night i mean like baked sourdough oh yeah you can't cut it and then

00:52:36.580 bake it with cheese oh you just want like a slice of sourdough with cheese on top like uh what's that a

00:52:42.820 welsh rare bit basically i i guess like an open-faced cheese sandwich on chunky sourdough bread

00:52:51.300 yeah but not chunky i mean cut it thinner you you cut it obscenely thick which i think is causing me

00:52:56.980 to become upset at my stomach like you i mean don't you want to don't you want to do like one of your

00:53:01.940 curries or something or do you want okay then let's do a korean rice okay korean rice we'll see what curry

00:53:09.620 surprise you get tonight there's so much to go through like we have to do freezer farming for

00:53:16.100 a long time because i think i just make batches that are too big and then we haven't been disciplined

00:53:20.100 about using them so thank you for because they got better over time so i'm typically dealing with

00:53:24.340 like i don't want to do it yeah throw in some pineapple if there isn't any already yeah okay i'll

00:53:32.980 throw in it to any so it's a booster to any curry for you what if it's a non-pineapple friendly curry

00:53:39.700 oh curry is pineapple friendly really okay you're strange but you did proceed to put jam

00:53:48.740 on the cheesy flatbread last night which was weird it was really good

00:53:56.500 don't you know i mean power to the people you know okay i will proceed with this

00:54:01.460 and i love you very much i love you so much bye bye this is right you got things right

00:54:08.580 you opened my mind to a whole new thing now i'm i'm gonna look at democracy the same way i look at

00:54:13.460 like communism like legit i and i i think that this is a really helpful way to look at governing and

00:54:19.940 that it's a you can't just look at it in the in the format of like is this a you know structurally

00:54:26.180 sound thing you have to look at the substrate to which you're applying it and and are these

00:54:30.820 compatible it's like blood types yeah so anyway thanks that was really enlightening super interesting

00:54:35.940 i'm gonna be thinking about it for a long time i love you i was watching an old like commentary on

00:54:43.700 an old mormon movies one of them was from the 60s and it just stood out to me how weird 1960s woman

00:54:51.300 accent was or like late late like i can't i can't model it i'll try to find a clip i can give to you

00:54:58.500 it just it occurred to me how weird it is you know there are time-based accents oh yeah yeah i know what

00:55:03.220 you're talking about and i realized that if we went back in time it wouldn't just be

00:55:08.340 our colloquial english that would be difficult for people to understand but merely our tonality

00:55:16.580 they would find it really off-putting and weird and i wonder if women in the renaissance

00:55:24.900 era or in the middle ages had really different tonalities like the the 19 like 1970s late 1960s

00:55:34.340 female voice was very childish and high and weird and i i wonder if both men and women in the past

00:55:46.820 had really different ways of i think like if you go back even if even if we went back to like the 19

00:55:53.060 like 20s or 30s i think everyone would immediately be shocked and be like why are you doing the radio

00:55:58.020 presenter voice from like they had that you know that very weird accent a transatlantic accent that

00:56:04.100 was mostly just people in the media profession not mainstream people well people had more

00:56:09.620 differences in their accents back then oh no for sure yeah where you lived would really dictate how

00:56:14.420 you sounded 100 which is cool i feel really bad that we're losing accents although then there's all

00:56:21.380 these people discussing and you can totally hear it especially since we're listening to our kids watch

00:56:25.700 youtube in the evenings when we bribe them with screens so they eat food there is definitely a

00:56:31.860 tiktok accent and a youtuber accent oh interesting oh my gosh they're one yeah come on you know it

00:56:39.140 i i can't have the youtuber accent well i mean no no no no i'm talking like you know clip farmer view

00:56:45.860 farmer but are you saying that they're different the two accents yeah oh interesting yeah and there are

00:56:51.700 different accents for women and men very similar to how like japanese when spoken by a woman or a man

00:56:56.820 sounds very different it's so yeah maybe maybe we're not doomed we're just going to see more

00:57:02.500 subculture based accents and fewer geographically based accents we'll see i am looking this up tick

00:57:12.260 tock versus youtube accents i can't believe come on this must have stood out to you it's such a thing

00:57:18.980 they all sound the same and they start aping each other

00:57:28.580 watch the fingers

00:57:32.580 what's happening here are you beating me in the box am i closing you in no

00:57:37.140 what is this what is this what's that oh are you boxed in are you are you a package now no

00:57:57.140 oh my gosh boom

00:58:00.500 yeah

Based Camp - August 07, 2025

Is The Arab Brain Incompatible with Democracy？

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