Based Camp - September 22, 2025Jimmy Kimmel Fired For Lying： Why This Terrifies the Left
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Jimmy Kimmel has been fired from his show. Why does the left think they have a right to be mad about this? Simone and I discuss why it makes sense that the network decided to let him go, and why the left is so upset about it.
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was Kimmel himself hinting in a 2024 LA Times interview, quote,
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Jimmy Kimmel was saying his contract wasn't going to be renewed.
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very few mainstream conservative commentators were like,
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The Tonight Show, with Conan O'Brien, was canceled at around 1.4.
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So at higher ratings than his show was canceled.
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Again, much higher than his show when it was canceled.
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Your depiction of this as the network taking an opportunity
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to less expensively end a contract that was going to end inevitably
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Why does the left even think they have a right to be mad about this?
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Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today.
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A lot of people have been talking about free speech in regards to Jimmy Kimmel
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having his show canceled after, I will note, it wasn't that he disparaged somebody.
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Like, what he said wasn't even like a normal lie.
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I'll play the clip right here for people who aren't familiar with it before we go further.
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The MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk
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as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.
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The gist is, is he insinuated that the shooter who killed Charlie Kirk was a Republican,
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And that that's funny because, you know, MAGA is killing MAGA and they don't realize it or won't talk about it.
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Well, that MAGA is trying to pin it on their political opposition.
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And he's basically saying they're shooting their own.
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Yeah, which is, I mean, it's, it's, it's not like a, like,
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he may not have been aware of the evidence or something like this.
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This is one of the things that is just patently not true.
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And part of this whole conversation is before I get into,
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he wasn't canceled for the reasons that people are saying, first of all,
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But the, the other thing that's really important to note here is,
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and go into is why does the left even think they have a right to be mad about this?
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Like, his role was as a newscaster comedian, which is basically our role as well,
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except he's working for a major station, like a private company, right?
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He says something in his role as a newscaster comedian,
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which was literally made to get people to believe the opposite of what was true
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on a very sensitive topic, which is obviously like going viral and doing the rounds.
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If you are a newscaster for saying something about like a,
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a mainstream important topic, that's just factually untrue.
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there are many examples of journalists, reporters, et cetera,
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who have been suspended or fired for reporting inaccuracies.
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When Alex Jones gets fired for saying Sandy Hook is fake,
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very few mainstream conservative commentators were like,
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oh, they're silencing free speech or anything like that.
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we certainly have never argued that Alex Jones shouldn't have faced a lawsuit for that
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That was something that was factually untrue and very easy to check that it was factually untrue.
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I think what Alex Jones did was less bad than what, what Jimmy Kimmel did.
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Because at least Alex Jones engaged with the argument and tried to explain why he believed it was fake.
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Whereas Jimmy Kimmel just stated something that was patently false about somebody who was raped.
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the way that what Alex Jones did was worse than what Jimmy Kimmel did is he turned the regular civilians who had lost their loved ones into victims.
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But I'm talking about just in terms of somebody whose job is telling news said something that they knew was wrong.
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And if you can be like, oh, Alex Jones didn't know this.
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We know from the court documents that Alex Jones didn't believe this.
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even political kind of related falsehoods that people have been,
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we'll say like suspended or censored in some way.
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Like some Fox news presenters promoted false claims about the 2020 U.S. election and Dominion voting systems.
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And they, that, that led to lawsuits and other things.
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And some, some of them were suspended, some were not, but that's another example of them.
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A bunch of people have been pulled for just other non-political inaccuracies like Brian Williams.
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He was a really big person for NBC Nightly News in 2015, was suspended.
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And later his anchor role was just totally removed after he exaggerated stories about being under fire during the Iraq war.
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So there, there are lots of people who have been suspended for things.
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People have been suspended for false Michael Flynn reports, false Kobe Bryant reporting.
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You know, when he, when he was killed, Matt Guttman of ABC News was suspended for saying that all of the kids died in the plane crash when it was just his daughter.
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The point is, is it is normal to fire a newscaster for lying.
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For plagiarism, for ethics issues, for lying, for inaccurate reporting, like all of these things.
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I think the bigger story here is why is it that progressives think that this is a bad thing?
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When, when people were seen as, as, as reporting misleadingly on COVID stuff, they got fired and suspended all the time.
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But the, the question here I'm saying is why do they think that they can say we are canceling free speech when some, a newscaster is being fired for lying?
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Like, why do they think that this is something that somebody shouldn't be fired for?
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Why do they think that they have a position to throw a stink here?
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And I think that this actually tells us more about the current progressive mindset and philosophy than the, the, anything else around this.
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Before I go further, I want to go into why he was actually fired because this is.
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So people on the right have talked about this, but they really haven't gone into the data.
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And I think when you go into the data, you're just like, this is a completely silly situation to be up in arms about.
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Um, so in August 26, 2025, Yahoo entertainment.
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So this is before he said, this is before the Trump stuff.
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Our article reported insider speculation tied to shifting late night landscape post Stephen Colbert's cancellation announcement.
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A key quote, quote, Jimmy is determined to quit late night before he's axed in quote confides insider.
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The context highlights that he was planning to be fired that year.
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Oh, Jimmy Kimmel thought before this, that he was going to be fired this year.
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A July 23rd, 2025 people magazines piece discussed Trump's claims that Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon would soon be ousted analyzing their contracts.
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It noted Kimmel's deal expires at the end of 2025 to 2026 season was Kimmel himself hinting in a 2024 LA times interview.
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Quote, that seems like enough in quote, Jimmy Kimmel was saying his contract wasn't going to be renewed.
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Now, what's important to note about these contracts, and we'll get into this a little bit more later, is most of them have a clause that if the person embarrasses the company publicly, they can cancel the contract without having to pay a firing fee.
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But if they don't, then they have to pay out a bunch of money.
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Oh, there's a very clear economic reason for why things happen the way they happen.
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July 24th, 2025 coming soon dot net guide explored why fans and sources believed the show was going to be canceled.
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So there's articles out there analyzing why everyone thought he was going to be canceled.
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And they say, quote, the word is, and it's a strong word at that, Jimmy Kimmel is next to go at late night sweepstakes, end quote.
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And this was a Trump quote, by the way, that they were quoting.
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But now I want to talk ratings because we're going to do a quick comparison of this show's ratings.
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And I'll put on screen here the falling ratings of not just this show, but across late night TV.
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So you can give an idea of just how dramatic the fall has been.
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Because I think a lot of people don't realize how dramatic the fall has been.
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The show's highest seasonal average with around 2.4 million, and that was back in 2015, was peaks of 2.2 million.
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With some episodes growing over 3 million, but averages hovered around 2.1 to 2.4.
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In the adults 18 to 49 demo, which is the one that advertisers care about, it was nearly a million viewers back in 2015.
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Now, if you go more recently, by August 2025, the monthly average had fallen to 1.104.
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And if you look at the key demo, they were down, I think it was around 78 to 75%, the 18 to 49 demo.
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So this makes sense because, I mean, why watch late night when you can watch Asmongold or someone who's more politically interesting to you, who has better takes, honestly, and is more prolific.
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And I want to talk about, as a former fan of late night, right?
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But before I get into, like, being a former fan of late night, I just think it's useful, before we go into this tangent, to go over when other shows were canceled.
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So remember, he had fallen 74% in the key demographic, 43% in the general demographic, and was getting around 1 million views per show.
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So the Tonight Show, with Conan O'Brien, was canceled at around 1.4.
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So at higher ratings than his show was canceled.
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Again, much higher than his show when it was canceled, fallen 47%.
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Again, higher than his show, but it had fallen 73%.
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Later was Bob Costas and Greg Kenner at around 1, but it had only fallen 33%.
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So this is the only one in this list so far that was below his when it was canceled.
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Oh, Jimmy Kimmel did horribly when he was canceled.
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So the shows in that table had fallen to lower than his show when he was canceled.
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He was below the range that you're normally at when you're canceled.
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Yeah, it's almost as though they were holding on because they realized that this is no longer a viable format anyway.
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And they maybe just wanted the legacy to last a little longer.
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But this is clearly, this was not long for the world, this show.
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By the way, if you want to talk about contracts, suspending the show indefinitely could invoke clauses related to public interest or reputational harm,
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potentially allowing ABZ to avoid breach contract penalties.
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Kimmel is reportedly effing livid, but no lawsuits are happening.
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But why, why did he think he could just lie and nobody would care?
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Because that's been the way in late night media for a long time.
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I mean, there's been skewed representations of reality through late night media frequently.
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I remember even in like the old, I think Jon Stewart and Colbert Report shows, they would misrepresent some interviews, kind of like cut them in weird ways.
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I guess he just thought it was like industry practice and he's getting lazy now, so he's not trying to cut up funny interviews.
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I mean, I think it's, it's one of those things where people break the rules and you're only going to get prosecuted for it when someone has to, who's going to benefit from prosecuting for it.
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Like when the news networks made a lot of money from those misrepresentations and faced no liability, keep it because it's good for them.
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In this case, the Trump administration is clearly saying that they're going to crack down on behavior like this.
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Plus, it doesn't seem to be doing them any favors.
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I want to go over the cracking down on behavior that the Trump administration has talked about and everything like that.
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It's, it's more just these people are going to be fired while there's been some stuff of like FCC.
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But yeah, but there still have been very prominent people in the Trump administration saying really clearly threatening this kind of behavior.
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We'll get to, I'm going to get to all of these quotes in a second, but I want to get to the side that you were talking about earlier, which is why would you watch this when you have asthma gold or us as an alternative?
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And the answer is genuinely why, like why, like the, the 18, the reason they've lost 18 to 24 demographic, you know, as asthma gold points out, he beats most major news stations in that demographic by the really sad.
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His dad died to happen recently and he took off the show.
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You know, he used to do every day, very diligent about never missing multiple times every day.
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And he decided to take off indefinitely, you know, citing his dad's health.
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And I think a lot of people were like, you know, this is a big mistake.
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And he turned out to have done the right thing.
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You know, his dad did end up dying not long after that.
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And it's, it's a regret he's not going to have.
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And his dad also would call into the show regularly and just ramble and he'd let him talk.
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So it appeared they had a positive relationship.
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But anyway, I, I, I think if you're an 18 to 24, why are you watching these guys?
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The shows often don't really respect your time very much, which is something we try to do as a show is just, you know, not leave a lot of dead space.
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Try to go from a piece of information you may not be getting somewhere else to a piece of information you may not be getting somewhere else where they're not doing that.
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If you look at the Jimmy Kimmel show, it is about confirming the things you already believe as a joke, which isn't funny, right?
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I used to be obsessed with late night TV, specifically the Daily Show and the Colbert Report.
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I was so into the Colbert Report that because I was living in Scotland at the time when I did my undergrad, I couldn't watch it on TV.
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So I bought a subscription, a daily subscription to it on YouTube, on Apple, Apple Music.
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So I paid like, I don't know, I'm going to say like $1.50 an episode every single day.
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So like, we were, I'm like a super fan of this show.
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We're going to talk about the cancellation of that.
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I just watched a segment where he talked about the Kimmel suspension.
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He took over the Tonight Show and then was canceled.
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I just watched a segment and he joked about like people thinking he was canceled and that
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It's not being renewed, but it hasn't been canceled yet.
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But yeah, it absolutely, he's just not good anymore.
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I mean, when you watched it, did he, was he like, how could this happen?
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Basically, he was just like, that's Jimmy Kimmel being Jimmy Kimmel.
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Because again, this format has been rife with inaccuracies for a very long time.
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But I think that this is different because it wasn't even a real joke.
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Like he cut up a piece using real people's words to say something else.
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It was just saying something that is the opposite of what's true around a political assassination.
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Well, and what's troubling too is people with greater frequency than I could have ever expected
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This is not innocuous incitement or representation.
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This is contributing to a level of internal unrest that is dangerous.
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And there are people who watch this show who love the idea of there being a civil war.
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But I think that there's a second thing here that you're missing, which is why these shows
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I don't just think it's the audience and the alternatives.
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I, if you, if you talk about, you know, circa my college days, Daily Show or Colbert Report,
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I would have rather watched those than Asmigold, if Asmigold was an alternative back then.
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And the answer is because they used to be funny.
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And so the question is, is why aren't they funny anymore?
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Because comedians used to be overwhelmingly leftist.
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And if you go into mainstream comedy, comedians are still overwhelmingly leftist.
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Although the Colbert Report originally, the Colbert Report was funny because it was
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a leftist pretending to be a rightist, but honestly, very similar with the, the character
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There's something about like even leftist parodies of rightists that are absolutely delightful.
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That back then, the thing is, is you could portray, whether it's Ron Swanson or the Colbert
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Report, a rightist as having some positive qualities in the way that you portrayed them.
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This, this was key to the Colbert character, but you can't do that anymore.
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It's no, there's no longer any capacity to even try to model people on the right.
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And then, you know, actually rightist in a way that's entertaining.
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And I think that's something that you and I have been talking about a lot internally
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is we love working with people who are politically different from us or ideologically different
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from us who make fun of us in good spirit, mostly because they can model us and they understand
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They just have different, you know, conclusions.
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What, what is different now is a complete loss of that capacity to model the other side,
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which then leads to an inability to make a depiction of it funny or even make criticisms
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But I also think if you watch one of their shows now, like even the joke that Jimmy Kimmel
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did with this, he's just like our side, good, their side, bad audience laugh.
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Whereas if you look at older jokes on the shows, they follow people aren't familiar with
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I'm not going to explain the whole thing, but it's basically when you hear an idea,
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or you see something that makes sense in context, but is otherwise surprising.
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And we argue that it likely evolved as a signal that babies gave to their parents to get them
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to repeat a task until they could like understand it.
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It was like, oh, I almost understand that like object permanence, do it again.
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And so they create this positive stimuli and the parents react.
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And we continue laughing as adults now, even though we're not really supposed to.
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And this is why, you know, if you want to see like an ape really laugh, watch videos
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They will just absolutely crack up because they're like, tell me again, like, I want
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And if you look at the Colbert character, he allowed for that a lot, right?
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Like, because it's like, oh, it's so surprising that someone would say that, but oh yes, he's
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So it's surprising, but it makes sense within the context of his character.
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It's a very easy format for doing lots of jokes, especially if you play like an over-the-top
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Which, I don't know, I try to take some of my personality from that.
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We'll see, you know, because everybody takes their personality from different caricatures,
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but, or different things they see within media.
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Yeah, but the point, I'm the modern day Colbert, right?
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I just embody the character for real, for real.
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Yeah, but no, Malcolm, you do not embody the left.
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But the point I'm making here, it was a very good format.
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And in the modern leftist format, because they believe it's funny to just be like your side
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bad, our side good, it doesn't appeal to most general audiences.
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But in addition to that, the left will get you for like stepping out of line with anything
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And if you look at the old, you know, like SNL or something, you'd have like the ambiguously
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People may not know this, but the term cancel, cancel culture, everything like that, you
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That's the mainstream that everybody knows about it from is cancel Colbert.
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It was his Ching Chong Bing Chong character where he would do a silly accent and do his eyes
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You come here, you kiss my team, they call sweet.
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Come on my rickshaw, I give you a ride to Bangkok.
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And some Asian girl who I think later between the four, right, activists.
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Decided she tried to get him canceled over this.
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Like this was causing her like serious emotional distress.
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But that shows that Colbert actually used to be like subversive, right?
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So much so that backlash to Colbert invented cancel culture.
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Okay, so the invention of the term cancel appears to be a case of the LGBT slash black community
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attempting to take credit for inventing a term that they didn't invent.
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While the term canceled was used to reject people at like balls and stuff and dances.
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It most certainly entered popular culture as like a to be canceled by the mob because of
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Because the term in the context of cancel Colbert meant to cancel the show, which is what it
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It very clearly came specifically from the shut down the Colbert show or cancel the Colbert
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Can you imagine any late night show doing something like that now?
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They stopped doing anything that was risque or interesting.
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And that's why so many comedians now require attendees to put their phones in, in Faraday
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I mean, one, they don't want everything like immediately on YouTube because they're trying
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out new routines before they want to take them like onto a Netflix special.
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But two, yeah, there's just a lot of concern about what they're saying being risque leading
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to them not being able to continue their tour because someone makes a huge stink about it
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I'll tell you one of my jokes that I told that absolutely killed at the Libertarian
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Convention before I was public was being skeptical.
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I'll take out the, the, the hint before this so that people get the joke.
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But I go, you know, when I was a kid and this is, this is actually true, Simone.
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I was so in to, you know, it's subversive culture.
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I, you know, would dress in like punk clothes and goth clothes and have my own little scene
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And everything I did was like, so like offensive to like pearl clutching adults and everything.
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And they'd always tell me, they're like, well, I know you think that you're like crazy
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and out there and subversive now, but one day you're going to be old.
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And one day the kids will do things that will shock and offend you.
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Little did I know that cutting your dick off was going to become a trend.
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If you had told the younger me, I would have been, and that's what makes it because it's
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But it makes sense because a lot of people are doing that in the nineties and the early
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Where I was like the early thousands, you go to them and you're like, you know, you're
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going to, one day the kids are going to shock you.
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And you're like, no, all of them were like, no.
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And then you tell that version, what have I told you cutting off your dick's going to
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And they're like, yeah, that there's groups that think it's pretty cool.
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And you're like, whoa, people, people will brag about this.
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They make you bring it up constantly in conversation.
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We'll see if the audience thought that was funny.
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But I'll go into what the Trump administration has said.
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Cause people are like, yeah, but now the Trump administration is going after media freedom.
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Now I point out here, how many YouTubers and right-wing media lost their jobs and lost
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their source of income for telling the truth about COVID.
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And keep in mind the whiplash of one day it's don't wear a mask.
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If you say that you, you want to wear a mask, we will de-platform you.
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And then like within a week it became, oh, actually masks are completely required and
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And by the way, we were never arguing the exact opposite two weeks ago.
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That for me was the craziest part of COVID when that happened.
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Cause I would like talk to people and it felt so 1984 where it was like the, the, the new
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thing had dropped and we were supposed to pretend that the old thing had never been an old thing
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Have you taken down the old episodes of your show?
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In the name of Vectron, I bring you greeting, Chancellor.
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Vectron be with you, Ambassador, and may the power of Vectron bring prosperity to your
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When I came back on the Friday morning, it was all Vectron, Vectron, Vectron.
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Honestly, Steve, no one, I mean, none of us have ever said the word Vectron in our lives
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But the point here being is, the Trump administration, if they do do a crackdown on this, would be
00:28:57.720
And you can be like, well, leftists weren't getting mainstream TV watchers banned.
00:29:02.180
And I was like, banning mainstream TV matters much less than putting restrictions on something
00:29:07.080
If you're talking about where key demographics are actually getting their information from.
00:29:14.100
Trump praised ABC's indefinite suspension of Jimmy Kimmel Live following controversial
00:29:19.600
remarks, posting on Truth Social, congratulations to ABC for finally having the courage to do
00:29:26.120
He also called Kimmel someone who made a total fool of himself.
00:29:35.340
He then suggested, and here's where it gets controversial, broadcasters airing critical
00:29:40.520
Stating to reporters, quote, I would think maybe their license should be taken away, end
00:29:45.700
Referring to networks that, quote unquote, hit Trump.
00:29:48.400
And another comment said of TV networks, quote, I mean, they're getting a license.
00:29:53.500
I would think that their license could be taken away.
00:29:59.400
I'm sure he did not go over this with Brendan Carr.
00:30:02.340
He's just like, I'll just say it to the news stations and he'll see it on TV and then do
00:30:11.720
I love that like our ideas have been taken to Trump by reporters.
00:30:17.260
I'm not like at the White House putting something up through the ranks.
00:30:24.460
This is how you're part of this larger media landscape, right?
00:30:29.180
But the larger point here is, is it wrong to take away stations license if they are doing
00:30:37.480
the type of thing that Jimmy Kimmel was doing, which is just complete fabrications that he
00:30:45.040
Keep in mind that the leftists did the same thing to all of Facebook over something that
00:30:52.000
they knew was true, the hunter-bited laptop story.
00:30:58.620
I love it when people are like, well, if Trump does this, then the leftists will do it.
00:31:05.060
It's like, bro, the leftists are already doing something 10 times worse.
00:31:09.840
They are forcing falsehoods using their power over media.
00:31:15.060
And now they are calling foul when Trump tries to force truth over media.
00:31:20.480
And the larger thing to me about all of this that I want to go over or deeper into here is
00:31:28.360
that they feel they have the right to get mad about somebody being fired for knowingly stating
00:31:34.800
the opposite of the truth for political motivations on air from a private job when he had lower ratings
00:31:45.580
And sort of, it seems to be that they believe that there should be almost a protection for
00:31:52.340
people who are lying about Trump within their jobs.
00:31:55.800
In the same way, and we've seen this in other areas.
00:31:58.140
So people can be like, no, that sounds bizarre, where, you know, like as an employer, if you've
00:32:02.940
got to fire like one of five people on a team and one of those people is trans, you can't
00:32:07.540
fire the trans person first because you'll be sued or attacked or something like that.
00:32:12.920
And I think that it's sort of the same phenomenon here.
00:32:15.580
Where it's like, he was, or believed, and it seemed that many mainstream leftists believed
00:32:22.340
that through easily false, like provably falsifiable attacks on right-wing ideologies, that you
00:32:32.940
protect yourself in your position, because then you could say, if you were fired, that you
00:32:39.460
Which is, to me, really chilling, because it shows how much control they had over our
00:32:46.060
culture until now, and that how much of a better place we're in, that they can't freak
00:32:52.180
And I love that, you know, we're not actually getting pushback from anyone who matters,
00:32:56.620
Like when the people go up and they freak out about this stuff, I'd even go, this is
00:33:02.660
Like to me, this is trans people in sports to go over.
00:33:05.200
That he shouldn't have been fired with bad ratings that were continuing to fall at record
00:33:11.360
rates while lying in the position of a newscaster.
00:33:15.260
Yeah, I mean, your depiction of this as the network taking an opportunity to less expensively
00:33:24.260
end a contract that was going to end inevitably makes a lot of sense.
00:33:32.020
And while Trump is threatening stuff like licenses, what is he actually doing, right?
00:33:37.520
What he's actually doing is just funny banter to freak people out.
00:33:40.640
Like, here's the great one on True Social, where he says, that leaves Jimmy and Seth, two
00:34:25.460
And he also called networks an arm of the Democratic Party, which I mean, if you're doing this,
00:34:32.520
So, one, I could go over how they could do this.
00:34:36.000
I guess, like, the FCC could investigate complaints about content deemed not in the public interest,
00:34:42.980
a broad standard requiring stations to serve community interests and avoid certain harms,
00:34:47.920
Trump and Carter have faced critical satire, as biased or harmful, potentially triggering
00:34:56.840
Like, the way that people are talking about it is, like, this guy made a joke critical
00:35:01.420
of Trump, instead of this guy lied about an assassination that just happened.
00:35:12.380
He misrepresented the political affiliation of Charlie Carson.
00:35:17.800
He said his political affiliation was the opposite of what it was.
00:35:23.380
Well, this was at a time when we didn't have a whole lot of information.
00:35:26.960
I think a lot of people argue that he was just engaging in speculation.
00:35:30.920
We had evidence from day one and when he gave this on air that this guy was a left-wing
00:35:40.920
Is what had been released to say that he was left-wing at this time.
00:35:45.200
The New York Times, before this, had described Robinson as, quote,
00:35:51.720
an assassin with hardening left-wing pro-LGBTQ views that led him to violence.
00:35:57.860
Not only did they say that he was a left-wing in the New York Times, but that it
00:36:02.560
If you look at what the Utah governor, Spencer Cox, had said before this at NBC's
00:36:07.220
Meet the Press, he said he, quote, unquote, clearly had a leftist ideology.
00:36:12.540
These details were made publicly and loudly before Jimmy Kimmel did this.
00:36:18.720
The only, and I think that you are not aware of this as to why people argued he was right-wing,
00:36:25.540
They argued that he was right-wing, I think because of a clown meme that he posted at one
00:36:32.200
point and that at another point, you know, clown memes are common on the right.
00:36:39.100
I think he dressed up as a clown for Halloween.
00:36:41.000
No, Robinson dressed up as someone piggybacking on President Trump.
00:36:52.000
Look up in AI right now why people argued that he was right-wing.
00:36:57.080
Because the clown meme, which they said Nick Fuentes also did.
00:37:02.840
And they said that he was gay and Nick Fuentes is also gay.
00:37:38.000
There was confusion and speculation online about Tyler Robinson being MAGA.
00:37:48.820
Largely because he came from a conservative pro-Trump background.
00:37:52.360
And in the immediate aftermath of the shooting of right-wing figure Charlie Kirk,
00:37:57.140
some commentators and social media users assumed a political motivation connected MAGA ideology.
00:38:04.300
Initial reasons for MAGA association included...
00:38:10.540
Early online posts and rumors, including tweets by prominent commentators and even some
00:38:14.400
academics, suggested Robinson was ultra-MAGA based purely on his background before his
00:38:22.480
Social media accounts cited old photos of Robinson wearing Trump merchandise or costumes,
00:38:29.020
All of this is referring to the stuff that I just mentioned to you.
00:38:33.500
But there was other stuff that they saw was confirming.
00:38:36.120
I mean, literally, if it was just his family and a Trump Halloween costume, which could equally
00:38:47.580
Fairness, Malcolm, you repeat again and again how only 10% of children of political families
00:38:58.200
Like, you shouldn't, you shouldn't be assuming just because of his family that he would be
00:39:02.520
pro-Trump, especially if he assassinated a major right-wing figure.
00:39:06.060
That would take, like, you'd need a real good reason.
00:39:09.220
Okay, why did they think that he was right-wing?
00:39:11.520
You will find this hilarious because I decided to look it up.
00:39:17.560
The notices, bulge, uwu, what's that, they said was evidence that he was right-wing.
00:39:24.660
Bella Chow, which was apparently an anti-fascist song lyrics, they said was proof that he was
00:39:30.300
And hey, fascist, on the bullet casing, they said was evidence that he was actually right-wing.
00:39:36.420
Now, if you want to know how they twisted these, the notices, bulges, uwu, uh, this is a twisted
00:39:43.300
degenerate furry meme, uwu is a catgirl emoticon, mocking, noticing, groper code for spotting
00:39:51.880
It's a kind of layered, self-referential joke Nick Fuentes' crowd used to hide behind bigotry
00:39:59.060
The Bella Chow, they said the Italian anti-fascist partisan song, famous for money heists, but
00:40:03.960
remixed into track on Grofers' Spotify playlists, Grofers co-opted it ironically to troll fake
00:40:10.920
And then in, hey, fascist, read, like, as a direct taunt, possibly aimed at Kirk's perceived
00:40:16.740
establishment ties, echoing how Grofers baited him online and in speeches.
00:40:22.160
And I note here that the Grofers, the far conservatives, did not like Charlie Kirk.
00:40:25.800
Like, that's one thing that they write about, because he was not far right.
00:40:30.220
Even if you read a few things out of context, it might seem otherwise.
00:40:34.880
The thing that I was thinking about was a resurfaced Halloween costume, where he was pictured
00:40:42.160
This evolved from Pepe the Frog memes, people argued, in Grofer iconography.
00:40:47.680
And Fuentes uses Pepe memes, which they connected with the squatting Slav pose.
00:40:55.780
And in other older photos, like the inflatable Trump float, which, again, could just as well
00:41:02.320
Like, the ties were so absurdly small that it really is astonishing.
00:41:07.500
And most of them, a normal sane human would be, this is obviously left-wing stuff.
00:41:11.400
Like, suppose I was a leftist, and I was trying to determine this, and I saw people commenting,
00:41:21.440
My first thought would be, well, that's interesting.
00:41:24.720
Why would any right-wing activist, especially a far right-wing activist, assassinate Charlie
00:41:31.200
Like, I'd be like, I'm going to need some explanation there as to how that happened,
00:41:37.000
And I just, I just would have been like, I need to at least, and if you could see from
00:41:42.860
the early stuff, if you looked into it even a little bit, you would have seen that he was
00:41:48.340
Like, if you had just asked an AI, if you had just, but what I think really happened,
00:41:53.520
if you're going to be honest about it, maybe he didn't lie knowingly, and maybe he's just
00:41:58.780
Also keep in mind, these people, as much as this was presumably his, like, cold-open
00:42:11.920
This is another reason why this format isn't viable.
00:42:14.800
Whose version of news is Blue Sky simply would not know that the guy wasn't MAGA.
00:42:21.200
Well, no, yeah, I mean, I just watched, you know, again, in terms of people turning to
00:42:25.340
YouTube for commentators, there is, like, a leftist version.
00:42:28.780
Of, basically, a late-night commentator who I watch who gave this whole exposition on
00:42:35.020
how almost certainly he was a griper, and that is clearly not true.
00:42:43.340
By the way, I want to point out, before we had the info, I was the one who said the trans
00:42:46.520
community is connected to all this, and everybody, when the person come out, they're like,
00:42:50.260
oh, Malcolm, oh, Malcolm, you fool, you got over your skis on this one, you let your prejudice
00:42:56.200
blind you, and I'm like, give it time, give it time.
00:43:05.560
Watch our episode on all the trans people who were aware that this was going to happen
00:43:11.480
It's pretty clear that this was, like, a larger community effort at this point, right?
00:43:16.440
And fortunately, the FBI is actually investigating this, which is cool.
00:43:18.680
But I was like, it's one of those things where the left just gets it wrong.
00:43:26.980
I'm coming in here, and I'm giving you guys truce bombs.
00:43:29.400
I got two unresolved predictions on this show, so we'll see if they come true.
00:43:34.760
One was that Bitcoin will crash, not this cycle.
00:43:40.160
It'll have one cycle after this cycle, and then the cycle after that is going to crash.
00:43:43.460
And we sold in this cycle because I said I didn't want to sell in the cycle before it crashed
00:43:47.800
because I think that trying to time the peak is always a bad idea,
00:43:51.820
and trying to time the last cycle is always a bad idea.
00:43:58.160
It will have something to do with the cryptography being broken or quantum computing,
00:44:05.560
Next big prediction from the show is, and keep in mind,
00:44:09.460
we were very pro-Bitcoin early on, and I am still conceptually pro-crypto.
00:44:13.840
I just don't think Bitcoin is going to continue to work.
00:44:17.600
And so if you're like a Bitcoin person, you can watch our episode on why we think this,
00:44:22.500
It has to do with the way the governance model makes it hard to update quantum resistance,
00:44:28.460
Like, basically, the core vote of the governance model goes to the miners, not the holders.
00:44:34.740
And because it goes to the miners, and the miner equipment is super specialized for the type of
00:44:39.500
algorithms that it is doing currently, you have no motivation, even if quantum computing
00:44:44.980
breaking Bitcoin is completely imminent, to switch to a quantum-safe model if it requires
00:44:52.540
And the only way around this is develop a system, which they may do, and some people point out,
00:44:56.520
where you can use the existing chipset to use quantum-safe stuff.
00:45:01.160
But it's just hard, like, especially as quantum gets better.
00:45:03.700
And I, by the way, said this before all of the news came out, that quantum had undergone
00:45:09.780
I don't know if you remember, but like two months after I did that episode, there was
00:45:12.280
like this huge wave of FUD in relation to this.
00:45:14.860
And the other big prediction we have is China, that China is going to collapse as a world power
00:45:24.100
And that's our biggest argument with Elon, because he really does not believe this.
00:45:27.700
He's quite invested in China, continuing to do well, because he sells Tesla in China.
00:45:31.280
Do you know Tesla doesn't even require a subsidiary in China?
00:45:33.960
They just get to sell directly, and almost nobody gets to do that.
00:45:44.840
Well, then even if he does believe China's boned, and he probably does, understanding, you know,
00:45:57.040
So I'm sure he's argued this publicly somewhere before, but he believes that if you look at
00:46:01.980
things like the minerals that need to be mined, because, of course, he's focused on things
00:46:06.880
like glyceum for batteries and stuff like that, that there's just too much raw material,
00:46:11.900
along with the capacity to extract it competently in China, for it to ever collapse in the way
00:46:16.920
that I suspect it will collapse, in terms of the types of raw materials that there's
00:46:20.400
going to be an increasing demand for, whereas I think that their entire existing economy
00:46:24.580
is something of a pyramid scheme, and for that reason, even if it does have a lot of
00:46:28.600
wealth beneath the soil or something, it still could collapse.
00:46:33.280
I think that his opinion is colored by the fact that he is in the EV industry, and it's
00:46:38.860
where a lot of his money is, and so he's very focused on the things that EVs need,
00:46:43.480
And China has a great EV industry, by the way, and where EVs are manufactured, which
00:46:48.460
leads him to believe that China is more broadly competent than they actually are.
00:46:54.980
But what I'm pointing out here is another problem with watching left-wing media for a lot of people
00:47:04.400
And if you're watching, the point of information is that it helps you predict future states of
00:47:10.620
And if you are watching a show and it gives you an inaccurate prediction of future states
00:47:14.660
of the world, then you are not getting meaningful information from that.
00:47:18.220
And we've made some really big calls on our show that turned out to be right.
00:47:24.420
I predicted early on, when it was still considered crazy, that it was going to turn out, as we
00:47:29.440
learned more about the internal architecture of AI, that AI had a sort of a convergent internal
00:47:36.000
architecture to the human brain, and everybody thought this was crazy to begin with.
00:47:40.380
And now, like, 16 to 20 studies in, it's just every week we're getting new evidence.
00:47:48.080
Another crazy prediction that turned out to be right was that AI, and keep in mind, there
00:47:52.760
was even a study done to find out how many people suspected this, that AI would become
00:47:56.980
less competent the less aligned you tried to force it to be.
00:48:00.340
And nobody believes this, and it turned out to be right.
00:48:05.120
This came out five years ago, which is different from instrumental convergence, which argues that
00:48:09.580
AI eventually converges on a single or a few homeostatically stable architectures, instead
00:48:17.500
of the risk of, like, random fooming architectures, which means you need to take into account game
00:48:26.320
This all, like, even Elie Eiser has recently pulled back and been like, by the way, you
00:48:31.260
guys, in the natalist movement, you guys got to get way more online, because we are now
00:48:36.920
They had this big foom of explosion in search trends.
00:48:47.200
That's who's in the New York Times recently, yeah.
00:48:51.420
They're on a full-out book tour with the book, If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies.
00:48:56.320
Which is their attempt to take AI doomerism mainstream.
00:49:04.060
I've provenly gotten all my AI predictions right, and they've provenly gotten all their
00:49:12.140
Oh, other unresolved prediction that I've made about AI is that AI will consolidate wealth
00:49:18.320
not around the base models, which will become more like commodities, but around the wrapper
00:49:23.860
People are already starting to talk about that.
00:49:26.560
There have already been industry reports about the commodification of base models and that
00:49:31.940
I went out there with that when everyone thought that was crazy.
00:49:35.240
I've talked about how the super advanced AI models that will mimic human intelligence
00:49:39.220
will not necessarily do it through better base models, although intrinsically, they're
00:49:43.820
But it will be through a networked layer of base models at the token layer, which check out
00:49:54.340
And any other thoughts you have on this, Simone?
00:49:57.480
I don't get how people can watch our show can be like, this is a silencing of free speech.
00:50:06.600
I care a lot more about regulation of free speech on platforms like YouTube, X, Facebook,
00:50:20.360
That is the only thing I'm really concerned about.
00:50:26.440
It doesn't matter that much because not that many people are watching it.
00:50:29.640
Well, YouTube does do regulation as a private company.
00:50:34.680
But it's ideologically motivated, and it's really bad.
00:50:37.920
Trump, when he was elected in Plan 42 or whatever, he said he was going to put out laws...
00:50:42.880
The Trump 47 agenda, that he was going to put out laws that would stop any ideological-based
00:50:49.720
And the companies would have to tell you why they banned you.
00:50:52.900
We need to go to the White House and start banging on pans and be like, when are you going to
00:50:57.620
Yeah, we're probably more concerned about that than family policy because there still
00:51:05.000
Things that are truthful are being referred to as hate speech, et cetera.
00:51:08.400
But I mean, I would just say, though, it's funny to me that Kimmel thinks he can get
00:51:14.780
away with saying things like, Tyler Robinson is MAGA, when it's provably not true.
00:51:22.940
So when Candace Owens is currently in a lawsuit for saying that Emmanuel Macron's wife is not
00:51:30.840
And I would point out, no one on the right has come out and said...
00:51:34.300
Yeah, no one's like, how dare you suppress Candace Owens' free speech?
00:51:38.000
And then also keep in mind how common you hear the word allegedly on YouTube, and that
00:51:43.260
is because YouTubers are aware of the fact that they can't say, God, what is it, libelous
00:51:53.300
Okay, yeah, so that they don't slander because they understand that we're legally aren't, you
00:52:00.520
know, we're liable if we say stuff that isn't true, even if there's evidence pointing to
00:52:06.360
So he felt, because of Tyler Robinson's family being MAGA, that he had evidence.
00:52:11.880
But he still said something that was untrue, which is slanderous, right?
00:52:16.580
I mean, people, I'm sure, correct me in the comments about this, but I mean...
00:52:20.880
The shooter had no evidence to believe that Emmanuel Macron would.
00:52:25.500
It's not relevant because slander is usually sued by the person who you slandered, and the
00:52:30.400
shooter is not going to slander him, sue him for calling him MAGA, right?
00:52:33.740
Like, the bigger thing here is that if you are, you know, working for a private company
00:52:38.460
and you're on the news, you have a responsibility to at least try to dig up the facts and make
00:52:45.660
And I think the core reason leftists are mad is they believe that what he was doing was
00:52:52.980
The point of the news is to describe the world that you wish existed in their mind instead
00:53:00.440
From their perspective, he was doing what's right.
00:53:02.820
And I think Simone lays this out pretty well here.
00:53:05.800
I mean, at this point also, truth is a team sport.
00:53:08.420
And that show was catering to an audience that doesn't want to hear...
00:53:20.000
Okay, you have to face the fact that truth is treated as a team sport functionally.
00:53:30.340
I, on the right, like, with Candace Owens saying what she said, and she gets sued, and
00:53:36.800
Like, obviously, you deserve to be sued for this.
00:53:39.640
But on the left, I think they do believe truth is a team sport.
00:53:43.880
And the reason why they are so freaked out by this happening is they're like, but he said,
00:53:51.160
it doesn't matter if what he said was factually true.
00:53:55.660
And therefore, he gets to report it because truth is whatever everyone on Blue Sky says.
00:54:00.480
If he's punished for this, then I could be punished for this sort of stuff.
00:54:09.120
By the way, we got hit on Patreon for our video where we pointed out the ties between the trans
00:54:14.080
community and the shooter as like a, they're going to take down our Patreon.
00:54:17.680
And I'm telling Simone, I think we should just do a different payment.
00:54:21.200
We already are on Substack, but the vast majority of our paid subscribers, and thank you to all of
00:54:26.720
you on Substack and on Patreon, are on Patreon.
00:54:30.420
Because it's a, I like the user interface more.
00:54:33.720
But again, this is why I'm much more concerned about free speech on these platforms.
00:54:42.660
Two, it's where normal people speak, not just privileged celebrities and writer teams.
00:54:48.180
And that's, that's what we're going to see is being, it's already the primary source of news
00:54:54.900
for, I think, the majority of at least younger Americans.
00:55:09.300
So I have, I mean, I froze all the bun shaw meatballs.
00:55:13.460
However, what I have still in the fridge is the rest of your pho broth.
00:55:23.060
If it's not too hard to do, if we're doing something from frozen, I just love that Korean
00:55:33.700
And I should try to do it in that spread out pizza format you want.
00:55:40.900
You don't even need to spread out, just pour it on a plate, then put the mozzarella on top
00:55:45.740
of it so that you get mozzarella like throughout it.
00:55:53.900
That means that I have to like, I need to put it in like a pie dish and spread it out
00:56:00.480
Because I have to broil it or bake it to get the cheese melted.
00:56:10.520
We're going to go over this because clearly you're making this harder than it needs to
00:56:24.480
That means you're getting a very small surface of cheese, which is exactly what you asked
00:56:48.060
You put that in the microwave without the cheese on top.
00:56:53.360
You then take it out of the microwave and you pour it onto a plate.
00:56:57.200
You then put the cheese on top and you put that in the microwave again and in the air
00:57:02.320
No, you, you can't put a normal plate in an air fryer.
00:57:08.200
You have to put an oven safe pan or dish or plate in an air fryer or oven.
00:57:14.320
You cannot just take, you want me to take the metal plates that you eat off of?
00:57:24.040
I mean, as much as yes, I am a klutz with a knife sometimes, especially when pregnant,
00:57:30.700
And I understand what I need to do and I will do it, but I will do that for your dinner
00:57:52.900
You said they had to cauterize it without anesthetics?
00:57:56.100
I, well, the first, I told the first urgent care clinic.
00:57:59.640
So I first went to the hospital and they were like, go to an urgent care clinic.
00:58:02.640
And then I went to one and I told them what had happened and they said they weren't going
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They like looked really scared and they were like, no.
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And then I went to the second urgent care clinic.
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And after a really long wait, they, they saw me.
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And after I took my bandages off, the nurse who was seeing me, who had brought out stuff
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to help clean the wound, it looked like she was going to pass out.
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And I was like, would you like me to clean it up?
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And so I just sat alone in the room trying to clean off the, the, no, but then, yeah.
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So there's some kind of like ointment that must seal off wounds.
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I thought it was like metaphorical cauterizing, not like you burn something to cauterize.
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But no, it's just a chemical burn, but it's not a chemical burn on your skin.
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Oh, she cut off part of her fingernail and everything.
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And I PSA to people when your spouse tells you, you need to be more careful with something.
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Cause Simone knows like regularly, I would be like, no, you can't cut it.
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Like, like if I was in the room, you knew I always stopped you cutting things and was
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If I, I mean, to be fair, if I cut the way that you cut, I would never prepare a meal in
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Well then maybe we should find ways to use things like food processors more.
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I, I, I think I just need to use tools or chainmail gloves going for it, especially
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Malcolm also is always on me about tripping because I'm very clumsy and lo and behold,
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I tripped and got blood all over my clothing and have a huge bruise now and everything hurts
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and like show people how pregnant you are, by the way.
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We'll get the other Halloween theming back here.
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Comments on the episode today on the new theory that we have.
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The one area where people want to push back is that, okay, sure.
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A bunch of people were like, yeah, but why are there so many basketball players of a
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certain heritage and why, you know, I look, I'm saying, and I think you'll need to understand
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that this is the episode on, on, on cultural carrying capacity.
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That there are some conversations that if you have, they're just not productive given
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Well, yeah, I mean, we don't have germline gene editing right now, so we can't be like,
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It's, it's, you have these conversations and then that conversation is the only thing
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Like that becomes your soundbite or something like that.
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And it's just not worth engaging with those ideas when there's so many other spicy ideas
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you can, and those ideas aren't even spicy anymore.
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They're like the, the pumpkin latte or whatever, a pumpkin spice latte of spicy ideas.
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It's like everybody effing, like is aware of the arguments on both sides.
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If you are into spicy ideas, like, why do you need us to burn our careers?
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And also like, if you can't really do much about it, why is it interesting?
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It's not really worth having conversations about things that aren't actionable.
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Or to talk about an idea that is not, you know, going to lead to any, any sort of
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And one that all of our listeners know about anyway.
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I think they just want to indulge in like thinking her, her.
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That or like, so you see my group is better or like, oh, and you see, this is why I can't
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This actually goes with something that we do with our episodes where it was every episode.
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I try to take a position on something that's different from the position that everyone
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Well, not, not arbitrarily, but you, you are interested in sharing opinions when that's
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the case, because then you have something to contribute.
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There's, you know, other channels you can go to if that's what you want.
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I don't want you to feel that way, but I'm really sorry.
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Well, I feel like I abandoned you while you were doing me a favor and you hurt yourself
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and everybody knows you don't want your partner to hurt themselves.
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Oh, I was going to say, what I do love is in the romance mangas I read, one of the
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protagonist types that I like the most is the very stalwart warrior woman and that is
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But you pretended like you were going to eat it.