Based Camp - John Money： How an Embodiment of Evil Invented Gender & Sexual Orientation

00:00:00.000 hello simone today we are going to be talking about the monster who invented the concept

00:00:06.640 of gender and sexual preference when i say monster is not a monster because he invented

00:00:13.260 these concepts or or popularized them at least but for the things that he did in his life and i

00:00:18.900 don't think that anyone who hears this story is going to say any word but monster should be used

00:00:25.540 to describe this individual whoa or just just to go over the gist of it basically a young kid was

00:00:36.020 assigned as a woman at birth because he had a botched circumcision and this guy had him raised

00:00:43.720 as a woman and then while they were still under age forced him and his brother to have sex and 0.72

00:00:50.500 filmed it and took lots of pictures oh and then he wrote a bunch of papers about how this person was

00:00:57.700 was a perfectly normal woman now and then the doctors started taking either botched circumcision 1.00

00:01:04.220 or intersex patients and doing these procedures on them like removing their genitals and stuff 0.99

00:01:10.040 even though it turns out that he had lied in all of his research and the kid actually had committed

00:01:15.980 unaliving and so had his brother and he did not at all adopt to the role of a woman and he continued

00:01:22.140 this lie for decades and then some investigators figured out what really happened and a lot of

00:01:28.220 stuff went back and it is from this guy where all of the beginning ideology where the modern trans

00:01:34.680 and gay movement came from not not that he like gay people exist like there were same-sex attracted

00:01:40.420 people before him but the way that we interact with this concept as a society today around sexual

00:01:46.320 orientation and gender came from this guy and this faked experiment this is that's

00:01:54.200 significantly worse than you probably thought right monster doesn't do justice to someone like that

00:02:01.760 that's and one of the things i really want to talk about is why you find them why he lied like what

00:02:09.760 was his motivation in all of this uh-huh and i think in understanding his motivation for lying

00:02:16.320 we can get a better understanding of why like the the traversal clinic didn't release the data that was

00:02:23.420 leaked after it was shut down then putting people on puberty blockers was increasing their probability

00:02:28.200 of unaliving why is this same chain of dishonesty so prevalent within existing trans medical research

00:02:37.220 why do we have the warpath files you know we're all the path files wpath files where all of these

00:02:43.360 documents from researchers in the space communicating were released and we learned that they had been

00:02:48.280 intentionally manipulating the research and results and that they knew that this was a major problem

00:02:52.580 so i think in understanding his psychology we can understand how this is still going on today

00:02:57.100 okay let's get started oh my gosh sorry i'm just still reeling from what happened to those poor

00:03:06.100 children those people i'm i feel so bad yeah well i mean it's it's still happening was he punished for

00:03:13.120 this not really no he's still alive famous within the field so this this is still happening today is the

00:03:21.560 thing right like there are still people undergoing like children undergoing medical procedures

00:03:26.520 that all of the evidence says is going to basically destroy their lives like we we sorry i shouldn't

00:03:33.620 say all the evidence i should say the preponderance of evidence there is evidence on the other side

00:03:37.120 but the pendulum is definitely you can see our other episodes on that john money a prominent figure

00:03:42.160 in psychology and sexology was born in morrisville new zealand in 1921 and later emerged in the united

00:03:49.000 states in 1947 earning his phd from harvard university in 1952 his work at john hopkins university particularly

00:03:56.500 in the mid-20th century focused on human sexual behavior and gender identity where he coined terms

00:04:01.340 like gender role and sexual orientation money's research was groundbreaking but became highly controversial

00:04:07.560 especially due to his experiments on gender reassignment most noticeably the case of david ramire

00:04:12.560 the david ramire case often referred to as the joan joan case began in 1965 when david initially named

00:04:21.020 bruce was born as a healthy male at eight months old a botched circumcision resulted in the loss of his

00:04:28.040 member prompting his parents to seek advice for money adhering to his theory of gender neutrality that

00:04:34.660 gender is primarily learned and can be reassigned in early life advised the parents to raise david as a

00:04:41.020 girl at 22 months david underwent surgery to remove his testes and construct rudimentary female

00:04:46.400 genitalia he was renamed brenda and was given estrogen during adolescence to promote breast

00:04:51.520 development money tracked david's progress presenting the case as a success in his 1972 publication

00:04:58.440 man and woman boy and girl suggesting it supported feasibility of sex reassignment for children with

00:05:04.540 atypical sexual autonomies so i'll note a few things here that are really core to the beginning of this

00:05:09.980 he was the one who suggested that this person be castrated after the the botch thing happened he was

00:05:17.040 the one who said i want to do this as part of a theory so so basically if you're like why did he lie

00:05:22.860 about this later i think he had this theory and if he admitted that his theory was wrong he would have

00:05:29.760 to admit that he had this kid castrated and it was the wrong decision yeah basically as time went on

00:05:36.720 the horror of what he had wrought through his initial in mistakes became bigger and i think it parallels

00:05:45.800 what we're seeing was in the modern trans movement you know we now know that in in gender discontentedness 0.96

00:05:51.800 and gender non-contented news 2024 of 13 year olds who present as or who are gender discontented and would

00:05:59.500 you know say they would prefer to be the other gender around nine and ten of them are perfectly

00:06:03.400 comfortable with their gender if no treatment is is is brought to them if treatment is brought to them

00:06:09.160 then they end up with a around 50 percent unaliving risk rate which is wild to me the amount of harm

00:06:16.840 that can be done and we're just not talking about this right you know especially young ages where we

00:06:22.460 know that this is such a big problem right now now i i'd also note here that his intuition aligned with

00:06:30.200 the urban monoculture as we've talked about when we're trying to explore sort of how the urban

00:06:36.240 monoculture thinks and builds ideas which is like the world would be more fair if there was not you

00:06:44.100 know we are always like well the world would be more fair if everyone was born with equal capabilities

00:06:47.240 so we'll pretend that the world would be more fair if there was no such thing as beauty and it was

00:06:50.940 subjective and and so we'll pretend that you know that the world would be more fair if gender didn't 1.00

00:06:57.180 really exist and it was just something that we were socialized into and so he tried to make that a

00:07:03.860 reality however the reality was starkly different david never identified as a female experiencing

00:07:11.820 significant gender dysphoria bullying at school and emotional distress at 14 he learned the truth about

00:07:16.980 his biological sex and chose to revert to living as a male adopting the name david and underwent

00:07:22.320 reversal surgeries this outcome was revealed not until 1997 when milton diamond and keith sidmondson

00:07:30.160 published a paper exposing the failure debunking money's claims money's message used during the

00:07:35.940 experiment were also deeply troubling reports indicate he coerced david and his twin brother brian

00:07:41.140 starting at age six to perform sexual rehearsals photographing these acts enforcing genital 0.53

00:07:47.340 inspections during annual checkups so photographing these acts at six um these practices described as

00:07:54.580 aggressive and traumatic contributed to severe psychological harm for both boys money's behavior

00:08:00.560 when alone with the twins was reportedly a particularly distressing raising significant ethical questions

00:08:06.380 about consent child welfare and the explosion the exploitation of vulnerable subjects basically he's just

00:08:13.320 like i'm a scientist so i get to do whatever i want with these kids like that is

00:08:17.140 wild and and what what is so interesting to me is when we look at this modern you know horrifying

00:08:23.840 twisted thing that parts of the trans movement have become that we have likened to sort of cenobites 0.84

00:08:30.160 that you have this person as like the the hell priest of it all like the the key evil behind everything that's

00:08:38.660 come down from this and we see that it didn't start with like a scientist making a mistake or something like

00:08:44.660 that well this is this also shows that like sex positivity like this isn't

00:08:49.740 a cultural thing like trying to force people to be okay with certain things sexually that they're not

00:08:56.540 okay with is going to be extremely damaging to be like see you're okay with it i'm going to make you do

00:09:03.240 it i'm going to photograph you doing it i think that's also deeply evil what reason could he possibly have

00:09:09.460 for needing them to do you know simulated oh we're all thinking the same thing come on well no no we know

00:09:16.460 the reason is is is that is what this guy was he was a cenobite you know and as we said cenobites try to create

00:09:24.140 more cenobites no but i mean i think he was also another thing that starts with p

00:09:28.040 well i i understand but you know there's a degree of degeneracy when i say when i say i just mean somebody who lives for

00:09:35.280 degeneracy somebody who has dedicated their moral structure and system around self-gratification

00:09:43.220 without concern for how that affects the world or other people or even their own future state

00:09:49.400 the psychological impact was profound david suffered from the word you can't say on youtube

00:09:58.300 depression and despite marrying jane at 22 and adopting three children he struggled with the

00:10:05.520 trauma brian was similarly affected and died from antidepressant overdose in 2002 david did an

00:10:12.720 unaliving in 2004 at the age of 38 money's theory of gender neutrality posited that gender identity

00:10:21.040 could be malleable within the first two years of life advocating for surgical normalization for

00:10:26.180 intersex infants his work initially influenced medical standards justifying thousands of sex reassignment

00:10:32.980 surgery however rimmer's case's failure challenged his approach demonstrating that biological factors such as

00:10:39.420 testosterone exposure played a significant role in gender identity a 2016 review highlighted david's attraction

00:10:45.080 to women contrary to money's learning learning theory of of gayness further undermining his claims the term

00:10:52.880 quote-unquote gender originally referred to grammatical categories in linguistics e.g. masculine

00:10:57.280 the feminine neuter like in spanish so he didn't invent the word gender but money in the 1950s introduced the

00:11:03.720 concept of a gender role which is how we use it today which he defined as social and behavioral expressions of

00:11:10.900 being male and female distinct from biological sex in his 1955 paper hermaphrodism gender and

00:11:18.040 precocity in hyper decricotelium or something he used gender role to describe learned behaviors and

00:11:25.680 societal expectations laying the groundwork for the modern understanding of gender as a social construct

00:11:30.740 so if you have ever seen one of those graphs that's like gender is different from sex right and

00:11:36.920 they'll have like the little pictures and everything and you get this with like a lot of the the weird

00:11:40.880 gender stuff this is just this guy's theory that is what they are pushing now not the whole of his

00:11:48.080 theory note the trans community certainly has a beef with this guy as well because he argued that well 0.96

00:11:53.460 all of this is just what you learn at a young age and you can change this stuff right you know so and that

00:11:58.800 doesn't align with the modern trans communities ideas but everything about the idea that gender is

00:12:06.400 different from sex is money's theories that were justified with this initial study wow also the

00:12:14.660 concept that sexual orientation is like this important thing that we should be like paying

00:12:19.320 attention to or revering and all of that is is from him which is very different from our theory of

00:12:25.320 sexuality if you look at any of our writings like the pragmatis guide to sexuality you can see our model of

00:12:30.260 sexuality which is to say that sexuality should just be thought of as a series of arousal patterns

00:12:35.900 to certain stimuli and sometimes those stimuli are male sometimes those stimuli are female

00:12:40.680 sometimes they are things that are neither male or female and each of those individual stimuli should

00:12:45.000 be thought of as either having a positive or negative modifier to them where we argued that

00:12:49.500 disgust appears to be arousal operating was a negative modifier and anything that causes disgust in

00:12:55.300 some population is going to cause arousal in another subpopulation and vice versa you don't see this

00:13:00.600 with other emotional states things that cause fear in some populations don't cause arousal in other

00:13:04.240 populations so it appears that what happens when people get unusual arousal patterns is either the

00:13:08.800 volume meter of the arousal is is off or you get a sign flip from disgust to arousal or arousal to 0.94

00:13:14.780 disgust and we point out the reason why like even thinking about sexual orientation is so dumb is the

00:13:19.700 rates of for example straight men or men who otherwise identify as straight who are either unaroused by like 0.97

00:13:29.560 they're aroused by everything else about a woman but not the primary sex characteristic so the below the

00:13:35.820 belt part and and or who are aroused by you know nothing about males but the below the belt part is

00:13:43.320 higher it's about twice the rate of the men who are aroused by everything that's associated with a male

00:13:50.040 figure and the the the this doesn't make sense if you're trying to draw like a from here to here on a

00:13:56.920 sexual orientation it's more just okay here's a collection of arousal patterns the problem with

00:14:02.220 my arousal pattern theory is it takes what today like people are like well this isn't a fetish this

00:14:09.660 is a sexual orientation and what we would say is no sexual orientation is a choice to satisfy specific

00:14:18.920 arousal patterns and an arousal pattern that is tied to a human isn't particularly for any conceptual

00:14:26.680 reason different or more elevated than an arousal pattern that is tied to another stimulus like

00:14:34.340 this could be dominance displays this could be you know feet or something right like this could be any

00:14:40.620 any number of things speaking of discuss creepy callers or like a scat you know i i don't see why

00:14:46.940 it makes sense to separate these these categories but if you if you don't then um this causes a big

00:14:52.840 problem for a community that is looking for special rights based on an identity that they have

00:15:00.140 separated from the fetishes but that is based on arousal patterns um and that is only possible if

00:15:06.100 you go off of this guy's theories rather than my theories which i think are much more supported by

00:15:11.220 the evidence and you can read we wrote a whole book on this that for example ayla said it's it's a really

00:15:16.520 good book on sexuality and she really knows sexuality research so you know if she thinks that yeah this is

00:15:21.900 really cogent and well thought through on like how all that's evolved and how the patterns actually

00:15:25.400 work then it probably is one of the best sources out there for studying this yeah and again like per

00:15:32.000 the catechism of the progressive urban monoculture his views were correct because the most convenient

00:15:43.080 thing would be that you can just blank slate someone and make them have whatever sexuality is most 0.99

00:15:48.940 convenient and whatever gender is most convenient given the circumstances and that's unfortunately just

00:15:55.180 not true like yours is is the reality version of this that like actually a lot of people are turned on by

00:16:02.600 things that are like really not ideal super super not ideal like a lot of women are super turned on by 1.00

00:16:10.920 how shall we put it non-consensual surprise sex but that doesn't mean they condone it or want it

00:16:17.440 it just it just sucks right and like i think this this does cast light on how that ideology plays out 0.77

00:16:24.520 differently yeah and the damage of acting as though things are as though they would be in an ideal world

00:16:31.360 because we don't live in an ideal world and the monstrous things you end up doing inadvertently

00:16:36.880 at best by pretending it's a it's an ideal world it's it's what you've described is just so beyond the pale

00:16:44.160 for me yeah no it is beyond the pale of i think what any like decent thinking person could and

00:16:51.620 and consider like this guy the parents went to him because he was seen as an expert he he made this

00:16:56.900 decision and then he essentially groomed the kids throughout his entire childhood you know using him

00:17:01.860 like that this is horrifying to me that this was carried out and this guy was was considered like a

00:17:08.780 normal mainstream academic for a long period of time and this stuff was was was known about and

00:17:14.820 and not put out there but it also shows in the modern community how much harm came downstream of

00:17:21.200 the and i think also the idea of sexual orientation as i've mentioned here um why do we elevate specific

00:17:29.520 arousal patterns over arousal patterns and then normalize them with an individual identity there's no

00:17:35.760 reason to do that aside of this guy's work and i also really disagree with the broader way that he

00:17:41.560 describes gender roles um i think we can talk about the ways that men and women are biologically

00:17:47.500 different and then we can talk about cultural gender expectations but you know i think a lot of

00:17:53.520 the way that people choose to present gender displays and stuff like that can be very fluid without

00:18:00.800 needing to categorize them as something aberrant but as soon as you bring up this idea of gender

00:18:08.940 role well now all of a sudden you can't have tomboys tomboys are are are wrong in some way for those who

00:18:14.400 don't know the term tomboy in english means a girl who acts who is like into football and wears a 1.00

00:18:19.480 backwards baseball cap and jeans you know this this is now seen as wrong even if that is the normative

00:18:26.200 gender role from the culture that you and i come from that we both come from the backwoods greater

00:18:31.660 repolation cultural region we've talked about this in other episodes but within that cultural region

00:18:36.340 that is the way the ideal woman acts the ideal woman you know does hunting and fishing and and 0.94

00:18:42.520 has a gun and a knife collection and and those are like samana when i went to first about me she shot 0.98

00:18:48.180 off her knife collection that is normal femininity within our cultural region and it because that 1.00

00:18:54.740 wasn't the dominant culture now all of a sudden women being born into that culture were being 1.00

00:18:58.760 categorized as aberrant or not feminine enough and we did an episode on the death of the tomboy that

00:19:03.740 goes into this a lot more on like the noodler girl who's from this culture and she catches these big 1.00

00:19:08.400 catfish and other like girly girls that were from cultures that take where women take on a more feminine 1.00

00:19:14.240 role um such as you know muslim cultures and catholic cultures were criticizing her of of being very

00:19:20.600 girly and and not being the type of thing that you should want to show off or that a guy would want

00:19:24.740 and i'm like well that's a cultural preference but it might even be a a a arousal pattern preference

00:19:30.940 that gets to some extent informed by because you know we co-evolve along our culture the culture that you

00:19:36.420 are exposed to like personally actually kind of interesting i get almost no arousal from girly acting

00:19:42.880 girls like like prissy girls i i find them like kind of gross you know and and so i think that

00:19:50.800 that when i say girly i mean like overly you know performative feminine gender displays i i don't i'm

00:19:59.000 not into that so higher voices and lots of frills and pinks and bows and things like that yeah the sort

00:20:05.760 high maintenance act ah okay so not even necessarily like youthful girl acting but just

00:20:13.680 hyper feminine acting yeah the the hyper feminine act being squeamish or okay okay i get it well i mean 0.71

00:20:21.100 you've always seen that about me even even in like as i said i think like one of the anime girls that i

00:20:26.460 that i like the most is tomu chan is a girl um and it's an anime on a very you know tomboy girl but

00:20:32.380 that's that's just been always you know my my cultural background i think not admitting again

00:20:36.500 that these things change between cultures and that people might have i identify with different

00:20:41.360 cultures and note here i'm not saying that gender is entirely fluid but i'm saying gender can to a

00:20:46.320 degree be specialized for different cultural contexts and you can't just make up what it means to you

00:20:51.820 i mean you you you can and some people might have aberrant displays of it but you know it's it's not

00:20:57.460 necessarily going to work as we saw in this guy's experience so anyway sexual orientation money did

00:21:04.300 not invent the term sexual orientation but was among the first to use and popularize it in academic

00:21:09.420 discourse in the 1970s he employed sexual orientation to describe an individual's pattern of

00:21:14.700 sexual attraction e.g heterosexual gay or bisexual framing if it was as a psychological and behavioral

00:21:22.020 phenomenon so he he came up with that distinction um heterosexual he used another word that's

00:21:27.340 offensive now and then bisexual in his book 1988 book gay straight and in between the sexology of

00:21:34.100 erotic orientation helped formalize the term in sexology emphasizing its distinction from gender

00:21:39.360 identity while earlier terms like sexual preference were used money's work country oh so before this it

00:21:45.260 was sexual preference he normalized sexual orientation and and the reason why sexual preference was pushed

00:21:50.520 against later is it made it sound like a choice of an individual and could undermine the the ideology

00:21:56.240 that the lgbt movement was pushing at the time now i will note that i believe that that they are right

00:22:02.100 about that it's not a choice what what arouses you is not a choice but as such it's also not something

00:22:07.160 that you have to do or want or approve of either he argued that gender was learned through socialization 0.79

00:22:12.640 and popularized the concept he also established one of the first gender identity clinics in the 1960s

00:22:19.100 promoting surgical and hormonal interventions for gender reassignment particularly in intersex and transgender

00:22:24.220 individuals his work legitimized medical approaches to align physical bodies with gender roles as seen

00:22:30.520 for his advocacy of the david rummer reassignment now why did he why like what why like he knew and we

00:22:37.620 now know that he knew when he first published this stuff he the kid was six he didn't have a lot of

00:22:42.980 information at that time so he might have not known when he first published it but he definitely knew

00:22:48.320 was in the first few years after publishing it and so why didn't he go back i think there's a few one is

00:22:55.520 is he would have to admit the harm that he did two is imagine the harm to his professional reputation

00:23:00.180 better to just try to keep it quiet i mean of course it was going to come out eventually this was not

00:23:05.460 working right you know so i don't like one of these individuals who just like doesn't take time to think

00:23:10.560 oh my god i need to hit the panic button right now i need to hit the stop button right now

00:23:14.520 he never went back and like apologized or explained why he did all of this or so i think that his

00:23:21.940 position and the fact that he never accepted what he had done aligns very heavily with i think a lot of

00:23:29.680 the the because we've seen this with like the the travert stock clinic and stuff like this the the

00:23:36.500 overlap between the cenobite lifestyle and the people who push this stuff is really really high it's not

00:23:43.600 like just this guy it was the travestock clinic there was the case of the one doctor who worked

00:23:47.800 there who would go down and like like chat up underage boys in a nearby park or something and

00:23:53.040 try to get them to to go to the facility like this is a behavior that we we see repeatedly in a lot of

00:23:59.960 these communities and i think that we need to ask ourselves why why do these two things so often

00:24:05.160 overlap you know we in our big episode on you know the life of a cenobite where we go into

00:24:09.300 anna valens this this trans reporter who attacked kirscher for saying totally normal and true stuff 0.91

00:24:15.140 on her stream that immigrants had a higher fertility rate than the you know non-immigrant american 0.97

00:24:20.020 population when she goes oh she's a great replacement theorist it's like what do you

00:24:23.420 hillary clinton said this like we we have that episode where we're like this is not in any sort of

00:24:29.240 conspiracy theory that's just like a fact she's not like and it's because of the jews or something she 0.96

00:24:34.240 said a completely reasonable thing and you tried to destroy her life over it but like okay so what

00:24:39.440 does that correlate with oh well this person apparently on you know video games with minors

00:24:44.700 would put like a vibrator in and use that for their you know this is this is without the minor's 0.72

00:24:51.560 consent of course the minors did not know that they were playing with this older individual and

00:24:56.380 it's it's something that we just keep seeing over and over and over again and nothing to me could be

00:25:03.420 more horrific one of the things i'm just thinking about today is like imagine if and i don't know

00:25:07.920 if if trans people are real but if they are real the horror you would feel as a trans person that your 1.00

00:25:13.380 movement was taken over by these people that'd be like the pro natals movement be taken over by like

00:25:17.180 white nationalists or something like it would be really horrifying from our perspective and yet

00:25:23.340 you know that that that is what happened to the because if you look at the early like for example

00:25:29.240 trans activists like buck angel and caitlin jenner they've been completely expelled from the

00:25:33.480 movement when they try to be like hey like we don't actually support like the stuff with the kids

00:25:37.940 right like we should probably be walking this back a bit you know we we should actually be looking at

00:25:42.260 the research right and i should note here while we're going to do a separate episode on this article

00:25:46.400 the atlantic you know mainstream progressive newspaper published an article recently the liberal

00:25:52.540 misinformation bubble about youth gender medicine how the left ended up disbelieving science and if we look at

00:25:58.240 for example a quote from it and it's talking here about well if you do not get your kid gender

00:26:06.760 reassignment surgery if you do not affirm their gender they are more likely to unalive themselves

00:26:12.060 it says in response to this and this is mainstream leftist publication mind you but there is a huge

00:26:18.420 problem with that emotive format it isn't true when justice samuel alito challenged the aclu lawyer

00:26:24.760 chase down and got strangio on such claims during oral arguments strangio made a startling admission

00:26:31.500 he conceded that there's no evidence to support the idea that medical transition reduces adolescent

00:26:37.180 unaliving rates at first strangio dodged the question saying that research showed that blockers

00:26:42.540 and hormones quote reduce depression anxiety and alivingness end quote that is unaliving thoughts

00:26:49.580 even that is debatable according to reviews of the research literature and here they're citing the

00:26:55.160 study hormone therapy mental health and quality of life among transgender people a systematic review

00:27:00.260 and a another study pediatric gender medicine longitudinal studies have not consistently shown

00:27:06.340 improvement in depression or unaliving rates but when alito referenced systematic review conducted

00:27:12.320 in the cast report in england strangio conceded the point quote there is no evidence in some in the

00:27:18.100 studies that this treatment reduces completed unaliving rates he said quote and the reason for this is that

00:27:26.080 completed unaliving thankfully admittedly it's rare and we're talking about a very small population

00:27:31.160 of individuals with studies that don't necessarily have completed rates within them end quote here was the

00:27:36.840 trans right movement's greatest legal brain speaking in front of the nation's highest court and what he

00:27:43.020 was saying was that the strongest argument for the hotly debated treatment was in fact not supported by

00:27:49.180 science what's really chilling to me is that their top minds like the people who are most educated on

00:27:54.080 this obviously the rank and file don't know what they're talking about they're not up to date with the

00:27:58.280 science they're just repeating talking points but the top guys like this lawyer knows that he is arguing

00:28:04.280 to put kids on puberty blockers when there is no evidence that this helps them when they don't

00:28:10.800 understand what they're committing to when this is going to sterilize them for life when this is going

00:28:15.240 to cause lifelong dependency on medications for gender reassignment even not just puberty blockers

00:28:21.680 for minors said some of these individuals these people in the horror of what they are committing and at

00:28:28.340 scale right now are no different from joe money because there is no legitimate explanation there

00:28:34.160 is no hiding behind well but i i thought that the research said they are now just trying to cover

00:28:40.440 up the research like joe money did when it turned out that his initial theories were wrong and if you

00:28:46.280 want to go back and be like hey this guy deserves some punishment well he's long gone at this point

00:28:51.420 but these people are still doing this stuff and they're still causing the same amount of harm

00:28:56.320 castrating children and forcing them into weird sexualized situations to have your community so 0.94

00:29:03.500 overtaken by these types of individuals who are still the dominant voices as i pointed out like

00:29:10.360 the memo who recently did a netflix special you know had the quote about you know the little girls

00:29:16.540 are not that innocent who who are in the bathrooms you know like they're kinky too like 0.99

00:29:20.840 these these these people you just keep seeing it over and over and over again and it's it i i think the

00:29:30.080 reason is is that when you loosen sexual norms within one area it's very easy to justify loosening them

00:29:38.040 across the board especially when you self-identify as either a person in a position of authority or a

00:29:45.020 victimized minority do you have thoughts simone because you haven't really i'm just i'm so terrified

00:29:51.080 by this yeah i

00:29:53.040 this bad this this real bad i i don't know i just didn't know but i also didn't realize that

00:30:01.260 this concept of gender roles was at least articulated so late because people talk in the context of history

00:30:10.120 about gender roles incessantly not that there were not gender roles before but i didn't realize that

00:30:18.460 they this concept of calling them that was so recent and also from someone who now i hate so vehemently

00:30:25.760 yeah so this is surprising all around i had a term that i would promote as an alternative is is is

00:30:32.240 cultural gender norms yeah that makes heavy understanding that they deviate even within a 0.96

00:30:37.440 country right like oh yeah really really heavily within a country uh like this is when people are

00:30:43.380 like i don't understand like the difference between like backwoods culture and like deep south culture

00:30:47.760 the cavalier cultural group gender norms is a huge area where they differ um in the in the backwoods 0.83

00:30:53.360 greater appalachian cultural region uh genders are fairly egalitarian there's not that much difference

00:30:59.580 between a man and a woman in terms of their status you you typically are searching for a woman 0.98

00:31:04.460 based on her fortitude her ability to defend the land as we've talked about was like daniel boone

00:31:09.060 when somebody was talking about his wife they were talking about oh uh you know she's really good with

00:31:12.220 a rifle she's very good at defending the property from intrusion like that's what they thought to say 1.00

00:31:16.180 like not she's beautiful or anything like that or she's she's smart like she's smart and a good 0.63

00:31:21.580 conversationalist is what the puritans would always value in a woman when in the south they valued more 0.96

00:31:25.520 traditional femininity and attractiveness and ability to sort of run a household and and like that's okay 0.99

00:31:32.680 to have different gender norms and i think in our society today because you know intercultural

00:31:38.160 marriages are so normal you basically need to establish through contract what gender roles

00:31:42.720 your marriage is going to be based on because you know even if you're you're you're like two white 0.89

00:31:51.120 christians coming together if one of you is from like the cavalier cultural group and the other is from 0.99

00:31:55.100 like the backwoods cultural group you might find yourself in something of a shocking

00:31:59.440 you know situation in terms of cultural expectations around what's expected of you

00:32:04.660 and i think that that is something that that is really undermined by individuals who try to push

00:32:12.520 this idea of sort of pan cultural now i'm not saying that there aren't pan cultural differences

00:32:18.020 between males and females but these shouldn't be thought of as these should be thought of as the

00:32:21.340 way men and women are biologically different from each other and your psychology is part of your

00:32:25.980 biology if it's you know an inborn trait well also admitting as we always push on this podcast is

00:32:32.760 that psychological preferences of individuals co-evolve with their culture and if their culture

00:32:39.180 has you know sort of aberrant psychological preferences when contrasted with other cultures

00:32:43.240 around something like gender norms they're going to act in a way that's really different and that's

00:32:48.880 fine like we need to get better at accepting the ways that we are different as a society and the urban

00:32:54.320 monoculture acts as a huge impediment to that because it demands that we accept that humans have

00:33:00.920 no the preferences predilections or abilities that are inborn and different between groups well i think

00:33:08.720 the other really big issue though is we need to stop making a big deal out of gender the whole reason

00:33:13.800 these these boys were put through this which was such a terrible just too many human rights violations

00:33:20.400 here is because their parents freaked out and were like oh well okay there was a a botched procedure

00:33:27.280 with his private parts now we need to rethink everything about his gender no he just had a 0.51

00:33:33.900 botched procedure with his private parts like maybe they consulted surgeons to see if they could do

00:33:40.060 reconstructive surgery or not maybe they didn't but you could also wait and see how technology advances

00:33:46.800 and see what he wants to do when he's old enough like the fact that they had to make this about gender

00:33:52.680 in the first well simone i'm gonna push back a bit here i do agree from our cultural perspective

00:33:57.960 so if you take the the backwards cultural perspective because we're a very gender egalitarian

00:34:03.720 cultural group um we would not see that much importance to gender like we're like well you know

00:34:10.240 both roles both genders need to be able to defend the property both genders need to be able to make a 0.99

00:34:15.060 living both genders need to be able to handle the tough work etc we would say yeah but also like

00:34:20.100 why is gender balls like there's there's no reason why this no but the point i'm making is gender is

00:34:25.980 actually very important in other regions like in muslim traditions gender is hugely important and the 0.77

00:34:32.420 cavalier cultural tradition gender is hugely important it is it's just you're sort of in a position of

00:34:37.200 cultural privilege where you can say like why do you even care about gender anyway because our culture

00:34:42.340 just doesn't care about gender that much which is why we raise our girls to be you know with 0.97

00:34:46.900 with more boyish names to be more tomboyish because that is what our culture does yeah but i think

00:34:53.440 hyper focus on like gender also concentrating in one body part when as we know from both

00:34:59.660 and from a scientific level like this guy was very very male and he'd been mutilated in one part of his

00:35:07.300 body like i i can agree with that but i i think that we have to keep in mind where we're dealing

00:35:13.700 with a degree of cultural privilege and how we can address this and our answer for our family which is

00:35:20.360 just don't like our oldest kid who's five still like we haven't had a conversation with him in the

00:35:26.340 car today like it's actually becoming a problem at this age because he's five does not understand what

00:35:31.740 gender is he cannot when we ask him the gender is so and so a boy or a girl no we're not talking 0.70

00:35:39.020 about like strangers we can ask him the gender of his sister which we did today yeah he's like got it

00:35:45.320 wrong he's definitely a boy this yeah he was very confident in his wrong answer as well he gets it

00:35:52.440 right 50 of the time almost exactly which shows it is a pure guess for him he has no idea what gender

00:36:00.180 is and it might be because we and then we're not like raising him gender neutral or any sort of

00:36:05.220 experience no i always try to correct because the problem is like when we i take him out in the

00:36:10.100 mornings to to parks and stuff and they talk loudly for everyone to hear about everything they think

00:36:17.080 and they you know are like oh look at him running or like look at her doing this it's so offensive to

00:36:24.280 older people because they don't know that he's yeah they're like they i feel like yeah he's he's

00:36:28.600 like why is that man not letting us pet his dog and like you know lady glares at me and i'm like

00:36:33.740 and so i'm probably every time i'm like it's she's a woman she's a woman and then like after they pass

00:36:40.480 i'm like you know here are the things to look for like actually this is really interesting despite

00:36:45.160 neither our son nor our daughters so neither of our sons nor neither of our daughters can

00:36:50.600 consistently get gender correct they they do not know what gender their siblings are you know like we

00:36:55.240 our daughter wears dresses and i wear dresses the point i was going to make is despite not having

00:37:00.660 a concept of what gender is or what gender they are they act in very gendered ways our daughter 0.99

00:37:10.240 really likes accessorizing really likes wearing like little fancy things she really likes wearing

00:37:17.840 gendered clothing and and this to me is really fascinating because it seems to indicate that

00:37:25.540 you don't need a concept of gender to fall in to pre-evolved gender roles even within a family like

00:37:34.360 ours but what's also interesting is i can already see the way that female gender display is different in 1.00

00:37:41.360 our culture within our daughter so even though the kids don't have an under she fights with her 0.77

00:37:46.280 brothers all the time like in terms of sock and boppers or fist fights and everything like that

00:37:50.520 she really enjoys fighting just as much as one of the boys do which is i i would guess probably not

00:37:58.100 part of the gender norm package i would get if i had a daughter and i was people can answer in the 1.00

00:38:04.700 comments if you're from a different cultural group does your daughters like fighting as much as your

00:38:09.400 sons or do only your young sons like fighting and it is aberrant for our daughter to like fighting in

00:38:16.880 addition to all the accessorizing and dresses and everything like that but yeah very interesting

00:38:21.180 what do we do going forward to stop bad things from happening to people like this

00:38:27.480 i mean part of the problem is is the obviously our generation's version of this

00:38:34.260 is the gender reassignment surgeries being done on children but it's it's the same thing that they 0.90

00:38:39.540 were for him so gender reassignment surgeries being done on children people who can't consent 0.90

00:38:43.820 so but but stopping that is incredibly difficult because it is become sort of a priest cast of the

00:38:50.060 urban monoculture and a really sort of untouchable cast and our new book that i'm writing right now we

00:38:54.920 are going to explore why that is the case how they became the priest cast but this is sort of like a

00:39:00.500 eunuch fully life dedicated it's mostly because they can't go back anymore it's the core reason i

00:39:04.880 think it's kind of obvious they are and if they try then they get completely exercised from public

00:39:09.660 life you know whether you see this with buck angel or caitlin jenner just the entire community

00:39:15.020 immediately rounds and attacks them so there is no criticizing the excesses of anyone who uses this

00:39:21.200 label and the reason i say uses this label is it's pretty clear that some people who are using the

00:39:24.720 label are just degenerates and are using the label for protection which is it you know

00:39:30.280 scary as well that we have allowed this to happen so i mean you know it's it's fighting again and

00:39:35.420 this is part of why i think all the rest of our advocacy would be a lot easier if we just

00:39:42.080 held to the line of well the the whole trans thing's okay whatever like there's clearly nothing 0.99

00:39:49.780 wrong going on here like i support some religious groups blind like we do as gay people with gay 0.70

00:39:54.300 people we're like well i support some religious organizations ability because i can support

00:39:58.540 cultural sovereignty to say i'm not okay with this but i support the people who are you know of age

00:40:02.880 and like want to get married and everything like that and if they want to then go ahead right like

00:40:06.540 cultural sovereignty is is the center of my moral system that said uh

00:40:15.100 so it'd be so easy if we just went with that with all the trans stuff and the reason i don't is

00:40:22.780 because i just think that there is so much active harm being caused right now that i even if it hurts

00:40:29.460 other causes that i think are really important it is worth wrapping that advocacy together

00:40:34.560 that's fair yeah all right well

00:40:38.780 that was sobering but i'm glad you told me about that glad to know i guess i mean not happy to know but

00:40:48.980 it's better that i do know if that makes sense hopefully everyone else feels the same way

00:40:55.320 yep all right how i wonder how demonetized this one's gonna get

00:41:00.720 i'm trying to be really careful with vocabulary choice so i'm gonna i'm gonna go through and try to

00:41:05.980 delete anything that could get us demonetized so we'll see you guys all have to be creative

00:41:09.720 and how you piece together what's being said

00:41:11.460 clearly yeah my gosh i love you love you to us i already sent the other links so we can just go

00:41:19.600 straight there record so to not sabotage us okay podcast topics oh i gotta tell our audience the most

00:41:33.840 hilarious thing simone thinks that wren if you guys who don't know that's the the vtuber who's like 0.99

00:41:42.580 a little lolly vampire girl that was black hair but it's played by a guy you think that that is sorry

00:41:49.920 no it's just sounds just like it's not i played i played their audio side by side and it was really

00:41:55.660 close that was the guy from clownfish tv they sound super similar i mean you listen to it though right

00:42:03.700 they're both like famous like why would you have these two and they have the same politics like

00:42:10.780 i know i know they have the same politics isn't that interesting it's just that some people like

00:42:17.340 to hear about you through the lens of disney and the marvel universe as a married parent you know

00:42:22.860 some like to hear you as a vampire girl and you know what we have learned since our very first

00:42:29.760 startup that anime is extremely polarizing so you know to be a vtuber is to decidedly restrict your

00:42:38.320 audience forever i mean i mean an anime vtuber because he's he's technically vtuber through clownfish tv as

00:42:44.720 well oh yeah true because he uses those little drawings to do the exactly yeah i'm just saying

00:42:49.780 though neon from clownfish tv is secretly wren vtuber it got to the point where i was like playing

00:42:58.880 their videos simultaneously and being like no they would have had to like switch out their audio

00:43:03.900 rigs or something like it's not exact it's not exact you you and your conspiracies i've told people

00:43:11.160 one of the early conspiracies on us the first time we went viral or one of the early times we went viral

00:43:15.700 is that we were actually the same person because they said we look too similar and two people couldn't

00:43:20.640 have such crazy views so we must be one person cosplaying as the other and pretending to be in a

00:43:27.200 relationship have they not even heard the term folia do i mean like most people hadn't until it was a 0.65

00:43:32.160 wine brand but still i feel like you should have learned it by then oh that we're both crazy we're

00:43:38.060 in a little a folia do world here where we believe that we're reading all these statistics about

00:43:44.100 falling fertility rates where we believe for whatever reason like the far left divides human dignity based on

00:43:50.140 their you know ethnicity and gender even though they don't do that at all yeah what do you think of the

00:43:57.100 we're writing a book we got contacted by a real publisher this time we want to publish a real

00:44:02.620 book by us maybe we'll see after they read the intro i'm excited about the intro basically malcolm is

00:44:08.000 outlining the the introduction to a book that would theoretically be called we will replace you

00:44:14.040 that talks about how demographic collapse is playing out but what isn't being discussed that much is all

00:44:20.400 right well who's gonna come out ruler of the world in the future well it's sort of like a

00:44:26.000 a treatise on how the tech right and the traditional right can work together in what comes next and work

00:44:32.960 together to defeat the urban monoculture which is uniquely i think important right now with elon's

00:44:40.200 sort of betrayal i think of the larger right-wing movement right which everyone knew was coming i don't

00:44:45.760 see this like a big thing i mean him and trump were always eventually going to have a falling out

00:44:49.420 i didn't expect him to go this hard but that that was always something that was going to either of these

00:44:55.200 men practice things by half measures malcolm no they don't they they they go a hundred percent

00:45:01.580 um but but you live dramatically we'll have an episode on on this that will have gone live before

00:45:08.580 this one but i but i will say just our position on this i i am not happy that this happened and i think

00:45:15.860 that that increases the importance of simone and i in staying loyal to the mainstream republican party

00:45:23.520 and the the new right tech light right alliance and understanding that elon's not the king of all

00:45:30.280 this you know honestly probably the king of all of this is asma gold if you wanted to say who's the

00:45:36.020 real king of like this faction of voters and influences them the most and elon has beefed with asma gold

00:45:41.160 before as well so he has asma gold called him out for the game cheating thing and he got like banned

00:45:49.240 on twitter for a short period because of that you know which is not great because he was he was being

00:45:56.220 very gracious in the way he was doing it he was like i mean just looking at this it does not look

00:46:00.320 good is basically what asma gold said and and you know or you know nuxinor who's big now i can't

00:46:06.680 believe nuxinor got big out of nowhere it's cool all right i'll get started

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Based Camp - July 04, 2025

John Money： How an Embodiment of Evil Invented Gender & Sexual Orientation

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