Kamala Won In The Real Timeline! (Why Many Believe This)
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The 4am club is a group of Democrats who believe that when the election of Trump happened, our timeline split from the real timeline, and in this corrupted timeline, a woman named Kamala D. Kamala won the election.
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Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be talking about
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the 4 a.m. Club, which is a group of Democrats that believe that when the election of Trump
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happened, our timeline split from the real timeline. We are in the fake or like corrupted
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timeline. And in this real timeline, Kamala won, and they are trying to merge these two timelines.
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And you have the impression when I brought this up with you that this was a small movement. When
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you look at their TikToks, they get millions of views. They regularly get millions of views.
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No. Hate viewership is very rare in real life. People assume our channel gets hate viewership,
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and yet we get an average of 95% upvotes. Actual hate viewership is just not
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that big, unless you're talking about like a literal like lolcow, like Chris Chan or something
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like that. And even then, a lot of people end up liking him after a while. So I don't know,
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Simone, I don't think it's hate views. Okay? Well, it's a big community. And as we go into this,
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the reason why we're going to explore this is one, it's a bit like you saying, oh,
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QAnon must be a small thing because it sounds weird or discordant with social norms.
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I mean, QAnon was not a small thing. That's a good point. Yeah, you're right.
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It has to be almost, people have said it's like progressive QAnon, but it's very interesting
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to explore because it handles the conspiracy vibe of, oh, Trump didn't really win in a way that is
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so soaked in progressive mysticism that it is very like unique. And I think it will be fun to
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talk about how this is structured differently than QAnon and why. And then it's really interesting
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to understand like what actually goes on in the minds of those most deeply affected with the urban
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monoculture, those who are, you know, this deeply cultural imperialistic, they want everyone to think
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like them, everyone to act like them. What goes on in terms of how their minds broke around this
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second Trump election. And you mentioned something to me yesterday that I thought was really telling
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about all this, where you said Trump derangement syndrome this time seems so much worse than it
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did the first time. Like people's breaks from reality are more severe than you have seen historically.
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And I think the reason for this is because after Trump was elected for the first time,
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they were living in a world of C now everyone who is saying sees how bad this is, this is never going
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to happen again. And when it happened again, was a majority vote. It sort of said to them,
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wait, what that world I've been living in for the past four or five years is a construction. Like it's not
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real. Like people didn't think he had done a bad job. Like there's a huge percent of America that likes
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and worse. It's a larger percent now of minorities. It's over 50% of Hispanic males. It was huge gains
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made within the Muslim community. I think it might've been a majority of Muslims in some communities.
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I can't remember what the stats were there. He's growing in popularity among young people,
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everyone, even the progressives have sort of turned on mainstream news. Like it's been, I think,
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sort of reality shattering for people who over-invested in this particular reality
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Let me, let me get this straight. I just, it is basically the 4am club, a version of Trump
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derangement syndrome where they just can't allow for a reality in which Trump won so badly that
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they're just like, I'm just going to believe that Trump didn't win so hard that maybe I'll manifest
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that timeline. Sort of. Yeah. We'll get into it, but yes. I need to know more. I can post a video
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from a 4am club member who is mad that Fox news made fun of them and she's explaining why they're
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not crazy. Oh, okay. Last night, Fox news aired clips of my TikTok video about the 4am club on the
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Laura Ingram show. Some will mock it, but mocking it doesn't invalidate it. It may in fact confirm its
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power. The human eye can detect only 0.0035% of the electromagnetic spectrum. Our nervous system
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is not built to perceive total reality. So when people scoff and say, well, I don't see it. It
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means nothing. Of course they don't. What I and thousands of other 4amers experienced is called
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timeline bleed. Those of us who are sensitive can sometimes momentarily tune in to a parallel
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possibility. Wow. Yeah. So this is very much, is this like a manifesting thing? Like I just
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know what she argues is she goes, well, multiple timelines likely do exist. We can see from quantum
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physics. I mean, that's fair. Sure. Electrons doing funny things that might suggest other
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and therefore, um, but what's funny about this is she says something that is otherwise, like,
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I actually do believe that timelines do split occasionally. I think the evidence that we
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have actually does suggest this, but the evidence that we have also suggests there is no way you
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could cross one of these barriers. Once this has happened, you're basically just in a different
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part of the equation. Once this has happened and there is no connecting contacting anything like
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that. So she says something that is reasonable without understanding why everyone else is like,
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yes, but you think you get messages from this other timeline and can reunite the two.
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Well, because I think it's, it's quite popular in fiction. I mean, the whole, his dark materials
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series was on switching between essentially different timelines or, or universes.
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I've noticed a lot recently, like with the Slenderman murders, right? Where the girls were
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going to murder to call out Slenderman. Yeah. A lot of women, white women, particularly,
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let's let me call it. Like I see it seem to read online narratives and then think that they can
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summon them into reality or things that they want to exist into reality through drastic action.
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And, and I mean, again, if you were like, why are you, why are you calling them white? I saw who the
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Snape wives were. These were women who thought that they were married to Snape in real life. And
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you're right. It's a, we could do a whole episode on that actually. That'd be, I think we might have
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at one point. I think we might have. Yeah. I think we did. Maybe we combined Snape wives with Etsy
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spells or something, but I'm pretty sure we did it. Yeah. Anyway, look, look us up in Snape wives and
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you'll probably find on Google. YouTube has a word search algorithm. But anyway, the, the,
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the Snape wives phenomenon. Yeah. So it's, it appears to affect mostly middle-aged white women. And
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that's all I'm seeing freaking out about this with the 4am club as well. So we'll get to that as
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well. Actually, this brings me to an interesting thing. So I'm just going to go a, one of our
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active discord members is a black woman. And she was noting from, you know, being a black woman and
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seeing her own family and her own American community. This is an American black woman,
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not like a African immigrant or something. As far as I know, I think. Anyway, she mentioned that the
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types of mystical beliefs that are held by black women are very different from the types of mystical
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beliefs that are held by white women. Oh, interesting. Specifically noting that astrology
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was way bigger among black female communities. And it is among, and I, I, I mean, I would at least
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say that astrology has sort of died out as a fad when we were kids. It was like really, really big.
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Really? I was just listening to the Red Scare podcast and Dasha and Anna were talking about it.
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I was like, well, you know, because I'm an earth sign, I just have a lot more trouble dealing with it
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in this way. Like they just like it. How are they Republican influencers? Can somebody
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I'm just telling you, I guess I've, I very much associate astrology with being a white person
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thing, or at least in every person thing. Now, when you look at like the Google search volume of
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astrology vis-a-vis other major philosophical bents, it just trounces them all because that's
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the world we live in now. I, you know, so I don't know. I wouldn't say astrology is like a black
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person thing. Well, it definitely is an Indian thing. We're getting, we did an episode on
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witchcraft in Africa and we'll do an episode on, on astrology in India if we get enough people
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interested in it because they use it for like major decisions and everything like that. And it's,
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it's actually pretty interesting. Yeah. It seems like if you're, if you're going to be like
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serious about astrology, you should be into, what is it called? Ayurvedic astrology.
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Yeah, but they're not here. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Cause they're dilettantes. They don't actually,
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again, this is soft culture. It's, I'm not going to do the work. I'm not actually going to try.
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I'm just going to dabble and do whatever feels good and make my own interpretations,
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whatever. So we're going to be reading from the Susie Weiss piece who we've had on the podcast
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before. I can see her friend. I really, this is Barry Weiss's little sister who runs the free press
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and Susie Weiss is the only writer who I consider somebody just to watch for their writing. She's the
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only like journalist who I actually think is worth trying to read most of their pieces because it's so
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interesting, but she did a piece recently on the 4am club. And so that's the piece that we're going
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to be using to explore this particular movement. And it's titled covering online trends and cultural
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trends. So she's got her finger on the pulse. She's on this stuff. Yeah. It's called if Kamala Harris
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were president, it's called the 4am club. It isn't about getting up before the sun to go out and run
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or to get a headstart on work, but rather a confederation of spiritually inclined women
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who all claim to have woken up suddenly around 4am on November 6th with a sinking feeling that
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Donald Trump had won the election, checking their phones, their feminine intuitions were confirmed.
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What's funny is there, these are all people who had this feeling like he was probably going to win.
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And then I remember going to sleep that night and we went to sleep before the polls did anything or
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anything like that. I was certain he was going to win. I, I, I said many times leading up to the
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election, all that I have seen point to Donald Trump winning handedly, being gaslit by the news
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stations, because I couldn't think of anyone other than Dick Cheney who had moved from right to left
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over the last election cycle. And I mean, anyone, you know, there were a lot of people who were moved
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from the first Trump election cycle, but the second Trump election cycle, that just didn't make sense.
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And I knew a lot of people who had moved from left to right. So this is where I was like,
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come on. But okay. So they had an intuition that reality was reality, despite what their social
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circle was telling them, except they didn't really believe that he won. Stick with me here.
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The 4am clubbers believe that really we might be living in an alternate reality where Trump is
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president at 4am on November 6th, 2024 is when the timelines quote unquote split. And it's only a
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matter of time before we all realize it and can go back to the quote unquote correct timeline where
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Trump failed and Harris took her rightful place as chief executive. Now here, I want to know,
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this is actually pretty sociopathic. So what are we doing? Murdering the people in the other timeline?
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Like, are we like, they exist. They have split from us for a, quite a long time at this point.
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Why, why would we merge with, why would that be a good thing to merge with that? Just so your
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president, your chosen president can, can be in office. It's so weird. But anyway, quote,
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I have been steadfast, so rock solid in my belief that she won. And it was only a matter of time
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before we go back to that timeline, end quote, said one member at Kelly Daring, who posts on TikTok,
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quote, my friends have looked at me like I'm crazy and told me I'm delusional, end quote.
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I mean, do say we're in an alternate timeline that we can then merge and I guess murder everyone in the
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other timeline. They're just like, oh no, we'll have both. Are we going to have both sets of
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memories? Is that, is that what's going to happen? Then you're, you know, I would rather be two
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separate people with two separate sets of memory than merged into one person. Honestly, I think
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they, yeah, maybe they just would rather not exist. Oh, they and everything they've done since the
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election. I can see that. Yeah. Okay. Undo. Yeah. And then she found others just like her.
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Those of us in the 4am club viscerally experienced that timeline split. This is the vision. This is
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the light that we've been holding. I wonder what this feels like to them. What, what, what,
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what are their lived experiences of having experienced this timeline split? Do you think
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I can really understand how they would get this feeling? So they're in a world. Remember the
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progressive, you can watch many progressive like YouTubers basically having a breakdown as the
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numbers come in and Trump is winning where everyone tells them, everybody hates Trump.
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Everybody knows Trump. It's a bad guy. You're on the good guy side. Trump's going to get trounced.
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We've got a black woman running for president. This is going to be so easy. Kamala is the greatest
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and best candidate ever. She hasn't made any mistakes on the campaign trail. You know, this one's in the
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bag. And so they have all of these things around them, right? You know, this, this is the world they live
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and then reality comes and it knocks on the door and it says, Hey, what's your world has been telling
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you is incorrect. You've been being gaslit by these people for the past four years. And the reality is
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that it turns out that actually more minority voters than ever, like the Republican party and
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increasingly minorities like Trump and increasingly young people like Trump and increasingly poor
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people like Trump and increasingly, and you know, Hispanics who you say Trump is attacking,
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why, why is it they like Trump? And so they, they get all of this evidence and they can choose to be
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like, Oh, my entire world scape of information is wrong. Okay. Which is what somebody with intellectual
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integrity would do. Um, and I think that's actually what drove a lot of people to the Republican
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party. It's one of the things that began to break me for the Republican party is when I realized it
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was the first sort of Clinton thing, right? Where I realized that all of the media leading up to the
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election had been lying about her poll numbers. Oh, Hillary Clinton. And they tried to like,
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can't like 538 to win, tried to be like canceled and backlist. One of the most mainstream pollsters
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for saying that Trump actually had a decent chance of winning and not even that he probabilistically
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would win. He said Clinton still had the higher probability, but even just saying that he had a
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chance, they consider this. And then I was like, wait a second, I am being gaslit here, right? Like
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all of you said this was in the bag and it wasn't remotely in the bag. I need to start looking for
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alternate sources of information. And you even see mainstream, like, you know, when AOC was like,
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Hey, where are you guys getting your information from? Because, you know, clearly where I'm getting it from
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is not where you guys are getting it from. Right. And so you, you're in this information bubble,
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then information comes that shatters that. And I think for a lot of people, especially people with
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extremely mystical thought patterns, and we always talk about why mystical thought patterns are so
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dangerous. It is easier to believe that it is reality that is broken and not their prejudices.
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Hmm. And this is like, do they think, do you imagine they feel like they're living in a dream
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or like, no, for them, everything is sort of dreamlike, you know, because when you engage in
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mystical thinking, we've always talked about why mystical thinking is so dangerous. And, you know,
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we have our episode, if you want to go into this more, why we can't let witches on spaceships,
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you know, basically arguing that actually the intuition to have a really strong stance against
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mystical interaction that is core to traditional Christian teaching is beneficial to humanity.
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And that, you know, within our own family and teachings within techno puritan, then we go back
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to it. And it's because what mystical thinking is fundamentally do is they draw understandings of
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truth from personal subjective experiences within corrupted mental states, like on drugs or spinning,
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or just trying to get yourself to hallucinate by thinking without the bounds of constraint,
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and then say, ah, these experiences I've had are more true than things that are objective within
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reality and testable and logical. And then what that means is the definition of truth becomes a
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popularity contest where truth is defined by the mystic with the most followers or the most authority
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within a particular community. And that one, it often causes them to go crazy because now they have no
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bounds on how they logically sort of constrain their thoughts or tie their thoughts together,
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which appears to be not the way humans are designed to work. And so people, when they do this,
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go a bit nutter butters, as you often see by people who go full mystic. But in addition to that,
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they also sort of stamp out dissenting thought within these communities, because truth is defined
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by the subjective experiences of the corrupted mental states of the individuals in this community
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who have the highest level of authority. And this is how cults start and stuff like that. So it's
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actually pretty standard for a cult. There were hundreds of videos with millions of views on the
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4am club, videos on TikTok, and additional chatter on left-wing Reddit, and their popularity was only
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grown since Trump's inauguration. A lot of them are made by self-proclaimed witches, mystics,
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mediums, clairvoyance, intuitives, and the like. Many, it seems, are nurses with autoimmune disorders.
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Okay, first, I need to unpack this because I actually think there is more to that particular
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And why did they go into this to begin with? There's a lot of mystics and people who have
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mystical thoughts that have a high level of following already. So, you know, on TikTok and
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stuff like that, especially among this urban monoculture-brained woman class. And so, of
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course, they would have a mystical interpretation of Trump's election, right? And it went against
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their prejudices. They're going to go with their prejudices because what mysticism is fundamentally
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a thought unconstrained by the boundaries of subjective evidence. The second is what's
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happening with nurses with autoimmune disorders. So, the autoimmune disorders, I suspect in most
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cases, these are imagined. And what we're really looking at is spoonies and people who are looking
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for methods of self-victimization. And I have known girls like this where it's pretty clear that they
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just like being ill all the time and that they don't actually have an autoimmune disorder. And autoimmune
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disorders are really great if you want to pretend to be ill all the time. And some of them aren't
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particularly well-testable. Right. So, if you want to pretend that you're very sick and make it almost
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impossible for doctors to exactly tell what's going on, then say you have an autoimmune disorder or
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believe it, genuinely believe it. Genuinely believe it. Yeah. And you can go to our Spoonie episode or
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episode that's coming down too. One was with Susie Weiss. But the other thing I wanted to discuss is a
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nurse's thing. What's a nurse, right? A nurse is if you're going through the education system in the
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United States, but you're not particularly smart. So, you want to go for, you know, you're not going
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to get into the top doctor programs or anything like that. But you want to do the standard educational
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pathway. You want a bureaucratic job that is relatively safe, but decently paying. Nurse is a
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standard outcome. It is the standard. It's also less expensive. I mean, keep in mind, I think a lot of
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people who understand that there's like high job demand and they don't want to put in the time
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that you have to put in and the money you have to put in. Right. But what I'm saying is if you're
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talking about the woman, woman job, like the woman-y woman, woman job for Karens, you know,
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I mean, it's an educated, elite bureaucracy that's not for the very, very top performance.
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Well, yeah, to be fair, not that educated because I've been in the hospital and had like ask nurses
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questions about things that are slightly outside the very specific domain of like the wing of the
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hospital in which they're operating. And they start talking to me about completely medically
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unfounded stuff that they read in- You have an example. I remember you got very mad about this
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at one point. Yeah. Like a nurse was like, well, I read in this Facebook group, this, this,
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and this. And I'm like, didn't you go to some kind of medical school to like become a nurse?
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It was just very, it was very disconcerting. So yeah, I hear you on that.
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Anyway, to continue here. Basically the 4am club is QAnon, but for left-wing women on TikTok
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who believe they are receiving messages from God in the passenger seat of their Toyota Sinai's.
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Just as QAnon believed the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, the 4am club believes it was stolen
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from Harris in 2024. Both movements see it as their job to alert the rest of the country to
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what's happening right under their noses. According to the 4am club doctrine, it's just a simple matter
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of collapsing the timelines so that we enter the correct one where Harris is president. In other
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words, where the divine feminine wins. It's quote there. The divine feminine. Quote, it's more than just
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waking up in the morning. End quote. Says one 4am clubber. Quote, it's about a great awakening. End
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quote. Whereas the most exciting thing QAnon world is getting quote unquote drops from Q, the supposedly
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high-ranking but anonymous government official who released predictions about the deep state on 8chan,
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4amers get quote unquote downloads from quote unquote spirit. As in Gaia, quote, messages from the spirit
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and the spiritual purpose of what's happening with ice. End quote. I love how they attribute a
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spiritual purpose to what's they're like, we're getting this out of watching some of their videos
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and they were like, we're getting the war karma out of the world system right now. What I was shown
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and what was communicated to me through this vision is that this is a very, very uncomfortable time
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for people who have been refusing to see any argument, any perspective other than their own,
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particularly when it comes to immigration policy. That's what this glass in this dome signifies.
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It's never truly been hidden. It's always been there. But now the lid has been pulled off. So not
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only is it on full display, no excuses, we can all see it. But I was also shown this image almost of a
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flood emanating from now that this has been lifted off, this flood is coming. Now what I mean by flood
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is an avalanche of information to make people who have refused to look at this, refused to look at
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this issue, ignored it, stuck stubbornly to their ideals and their principles. Those people are going
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to be hit with a flood of news articles, information, truths that will be impossible for them to ignore.
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What's happening through this manufactured ice crisis is it is breaking open people's
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hearts. Now, just seven days ago, I did a video where I talked about the overall spiritual purpose
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and what's happening with ice. It was in this timeline or something. Sometimes 4AMers refer to
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multiple spirit guides, which shows them visions of Harris's victory. For example, she wore a pinstripe
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purple pantsuit or telling them which members of Trump's administration will eventually be
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persecuted. They, by the way, think it's going to be Pam Bondi, Marco Rabiot, and Kirsten Noyem.
00:24:14.720
It's like when Q foresaw mass arrests of Democrats who would be sent to Guantanamo Bay and imprisoned for
00:24:21.240
their crimes. I don't think you're going to find a 4AM club scaling the side of the Capitol building
00:24:26.500
anytime soon, since they believe they can bring down the federal government from their Linneas.
00:24:31.960
In one video, Gaia insists, quote, we're toppling a regime via spiritual awakening, end quote.
00:24:38.240
And this is another reason why mysticism is so bad, because it allows you to feel like you are
00:24:41.900
doing something productive when you are doing nothing productive at all. When your actions and
00:24:47.580
thoughts are not bounded by empirical evidence, you can believe that actions that are actually quite
00:24:54.580
lazy and self-indulgent are making a positive difference in the world. Which, in addition to
00:24:59.700
being a crazy, is incredibly convenient. While they claim to be horrified by the political situation
00:25:06.380
and feeling energy shifts that they have never felt before, the 4AM club's members want to feel
00:25:11.020
purposeful without having to go outside. I think Susie's exactly right about this. They want permission
00:25:16.060
to believe that their feelings are proof of a deeper truth, and they, just by believing them,
00:25:21.260
they are going to save the world. Take, for instance, Gaia, in her pajamas in her bed with
00:25:26.460
her dog, or sitting in her car, talking about the recent download she's gotten from Spirit,
00:25:31.720
and telling her followers that together they're, quote unquote, changing the course of history,
00:25:36.740
What we're doing is changing the course of history. Not just because we're going to change what happens
00:25:43.980
going forward, but because we are changing what has already happened. That's what karma is. As we're
00:25:53.040
looping through old cycles to say, we're not going to do that anymore. We will not accept this ever
00:26:00.240
again. We are not what he says we are. We are not going to do what he wants us to do.
00:26:08.300
We are going to stand together. We're going to say no. We're going to do it with love.
00:26:17.340
I have been crying all morning, crying all morning, these videos that you're tagging me in.
00:26:24.440
You know, it was a pretty bold statement in March in my psychic preview session to say
00:26:28.720
that we're going to clear the karma of war. That's a lot, but that's what Spirit said. That's what they
00:26:35.340
showed me, and that's what I've been saying. And now that we're seeing this, it's easy to see now
00:26:49.180
What happens if they don't? And what happens if their followers really listen to them?
00:26:53.900
This toxic blend of New Age spirituality and conspiratorial thinking might lead you to
00:26:58.500
say that you're receiving messages through tarot cards, the president is really dead,
00:27:04.180
and that the government has put a body double in his place, which are other things that they have
00:27:08.640
claimed. The truth is Kamala Harris is hanging out with her nieces and sipping champagne at the
00:27:15.020
Huma Abidin-Alexa Soros wedding, but loads of women are having visions of the quote-unquote
00:27:22.380
Lotus Queen Madame President is waiting in the wings for her time to come out, end quote.
00:27:28.340
Well, you can do both. I mean, Huma Abidin marrying Alex Soros and Kamala Harris going to the Hamptons
00:27:35.260
wasn't exactly something that would be discordant with this. But yeah, I mean, like, I guess they're
00:27:41.700
assuming she's in some bunker planning and she's just chilling in the Hamptons at a fancy social
00:27:47.440
wedding. And this is a second part of this movement, which I plan to go into around the time of the
00:27:53.260
inauguration. We just never really got timely down to filming it. But there was a really fascinating
00:27:58.580
movement among Democrats leading up to the inauguration that they thought that Kamala had
00:28:03.960
actually won. This was popular on TikTok with millions of views. And that the only reason they
00:28:09.560
were letting the Republicans think that they had won or stolen the election, it was that they were
00:28:15.920
trying to get as much evidence on them as they could. So that right before the inauguration happened,
00:28:20.860
they would come up and start arresting all the, you know, Trump and everyone else. And they thought
00:28:26.240
that Kamala was giving people hints of this through various speeches she gave, where she would say
00:28:31.280
things like, well, there's more to come. And even after this didn't happen, many of them doubled down
00:28:37.180
and said, oh, no, no, no, no. They're just letting them get this feeling like they have power, like they
00:28:42.760
actually won the election, like they're moving into the White House. So, you know, they can get them all
00:28:47.060
in one place. And so that they can, and this is really popular. I know you look so confused.
00:28:52.820
Yeah. Although, I mean, QAnon also had some delusional views. And when you are reading some
00:29:01.400
of this, and I think about what QAnon was doing, as much as QAnon pretended to be moored in reality,
00:29:06.640
and that these drops are coming from a real person, there was also a lot of
00:29:10.820
of coping and reasoning that was akin to mysticism and its flexibility.
00:29:19.940
Well, I think you can catch something really big there, which is sort of key
00:29:23.620
to modern conservatism versus key to modern far left culture, is both of these movements,
00:29:30.820
I think, represent elements of the same thing. It was not wanting to believe what had happened
00:29:36.100
and that there were people, you know, with power in some way, like maybe it's mystical power,
00:29:43.620
or maybe it's power within the government, who are sympathetic to your beliefs. And I actually
00:29:48.740
know the guy in the Trump administration who was sort of like the core guy who was involved
00:29:54.980
with 4chan related stuff. Not Q, but he was the senior official who actually engaged with 4chan culture,
00:30:01.140
and obviously like new right culture. And yeah, this stuff wasn't coming from within the
00:30:07.220
administration. I mean, he found it entertaining and liked engaging with it as much as we do.
00:30:11.540
But it's been really fascinating to me because QAnon, while it framed all this stuff without
00:30:18.900
necessarily falsifiability, it framed it very much as here are some breadcrumbs, go research the rest
00:30:25.460
yourself. And through research, you will discover what is true, right? So it pushed the agency onto
00:30:31.540
the individual much more. And it said, this is all true. This is all real, but it's a conspiracy
00:30:38.500
by people in, well, positions of power who are against you, right? But you've got people on your side.
00:30:43.940
And what's more important about QAnon is QAnon believed that it had people on its side who were
00:30:48.820
doing things, who were setting things up, right? Like who were taking action. Whereas the 4chan club
00:30:55.060
is very different from that. It's this information comes from a mystical realm. It comes from mystical
00:31:01.220
leaders. And while they are doing stuff, they are doing stuff in a spiritual sense. So if you watch
00:31:07.700
their videos, when they're talking about, okay, everything right now is going around the right path,
00:31:12.820
which is what they'll say, you know, when you watch them, I've gone through the videos,
00:31:16.260
they're like, everything's good. Everything's going to work out. This is all exactly according
00:31:20.820
to my predictions. So when you watch these individuals, you get this perspective that
00:31:26.660
the things are being done, but the people who are doing them, you know, they're not storming the
00:31:32.260
capital. They're not doing it. They're just zoning out basically in front of their computer and their
00:31:37.000
pajamas. Yeah. Yeah. Also this unwillingness to accept reality for what it is. So just deciding to make up
00:31:44.660
your own reality. And I think great, the final big takeaway I have from this is one thing we
00:31:52.980
must always remember. Cause every time I go see my car on election day, when we were out campaigning,
00:31:56.820
we got somebody get keyed our car and we still have that there. So every time I see it, I'm just like,
00:32:00.980
I hope this person's life is so bad now because we beat them. Lazy bastards who, who act with such
00:32:08.100
malice and prejudice, which they do, you know, but that these individuals are truly cooked, like brain
00:32:15.460
cooked, like they are not happy. Their lives are not good. They are crazy cat ladies, you know,
00:32:23.140
and the deeper you dig was in the existential horror that their existence is. And I'm not just talking
00:32:30.900
about like the poor, you know, crash house or anything like that. I'm talking about their influencer
00:32:35.880
class. I'm talking about their wealthy elites. Yeah. Because I seen like, if you talk about their
00:32:42.480
influencer class and you're like, Oh, things, things must be going well for them. There's a reason
00:32:47.440
why. And this is actually an interesting thing. If you, if you watch online spaces, conservative
00:32:52.160
influencers typically stay active for, I'd argue about twice as long as progressive influencers,
00:32:59.620
or maybe three times as long as progressive influencers. Whereas progressive influencers typically
00:33:04.520
spin out as they get more famous, they start posting less and less, but it's often because
00:33:10.040
their mental health declines more and more and more. Yeah. Okay. So what you're talking about,
00:33:15.320
I can think of some examples here. Yeah. Well, everyone can think of examples here. The,
00:33:19.880
the progressives who I used to watch, like I can't, none of them post anymore. Whereas I watched back in
00:33:26.000
the day, they're all still pretty active. And I think that this is downstream of the mental toxicity
00:33:32.700
of this perspective, especially when it's a perspective that can only justify its colonialist
00:33:41.140
and imperialistic tactics of cultural erasure by framing itself as the victim. When, you know,
00:33:48.060
as soon as you realize, Oh, we've been the big bad the entire time, the elites are on our side. I love it
00:33:53.200
when they're like, Oh, Trump was bought by elites because of like, Elon. I'm like, bro,
00:33:57.800
like one Trump said he was going to work with Elon. Like when we voted, we knew that like,
00:34:02.000
this isn't a surprise. That's not being bought by the elites. That's signaling your action.
00:34:06.380
Campbell raised three times as much money as Trump, right? Like that, where do you think she got that
00:34:11.460
from? Right. You know? So I think that there is tacit realization from people who have any sort of
00:34:19.060
connection to subjective reality that they have been on the side of the oppressive factions and
00:34:26.900
they've been on the side of the imperialistic factions and the factions that were aligned with
00:34:33.740
the elites within our existing system. And as that facade cracks, one of the easiest ways to not,
00:34:40.400
you know, take accountability for your past actions, which is something I, you know, have had to do.
00:34:45.700
I've had to say, look, I should have woken up sooner than I did, right? I should have been,
00:34:51.540
you know, way more on the ball with this. And, and even intellectually honest was myself than I was,
00:34:58.800
you know, an example of this is something like the trans stuff, right? For the longest time,
00:35:03.400
I was just like, I, I, I believe there probably is some real sort of a trans phenomenon. And that
00:35:09.980
what is bad is gender transition of children and that the, the adult trans movement is like
00:35:16.860
completely legitimate and everything like that. And it took a while before I realized that, no,
00:35:21.800
it's probably a culture bound illness and this isn't the best way to treat it. And, and people
00:35:26.140
can look at me and they can say, well, you know, a lot of people in your position, you know, you have
00:35:32.420
a lot of trans friends, you have a lot of friends within these communities. You could get attacked a lot
00:35:36.800
for saying this. And this is a belief that changed while we were doing this podcast, but I can be
00:35:41.620
like, yeah, but you know, for example, Scott Alexander admitted this back in his, you know,
00:35:47.120
member stealing witches post like a year before I did. And he's definitely more in that environment
00:35:54.980
than I am. He's definitely around way more leftist and trans individuals than I am. So why was he able
00:36:01.420
to come out about it? You know, half a year before I was able to come out about it. And people are
00:36:06.120
always like, Oh, why are you so obsessed with this? And I'm like, children are being systematically
00:36:09.680
mutilated. You know, we, we are, we are, how is this not a problem? Right? Like if, if it has the
00:36:16.960
unaliving rate that it have, and they target children like mine, children with autism and my
00:36:21.700
wife had gender dysphoria, not gender dysphoria, but dysphoria as a child was, was anorexia. You know,
00:36:27.760
why should I not expect it from our kids? Right? Like why, why would this not be something that's
00:36:31.760
ever present was in my mind that this could be something that's done to them, but it is something
00:36:36.700
that has been done to when people think, you know, if you don't have a lot of like friends who are in
00:36:41.140
sort of elitist culture, you might think of this as like being a far off phenomenon, but it has
00:36:45.860
personally happened to two of our friends' kids, like without their knowledge, like they go to a
00:36:50.220
psychiatrist and they're given without the parents' knowledge drugs while they're minors. And so this is
00:36:56.720
like, I think a much more close to home thing where I was like, did I participate in that by not,
00:37:03.960
you know, as, as a quote unquote influencer, like raising my, my flag on this earlier. And so I need
00:37:10.740
to take responsibility for that. And I think a lot of people do, right? Like we would be like, I was
00:37:15.040
wrong even with the evidence I had at hand. Yeah. Agreed. Coming to terms with the reality,
00:37:23.880
even if it's kind of uncomfortable is important. And that's why we like the idea of being offended
00:37:29.880
so much because you aren't offended by things if they're not a genuine threat to your worldview.
00:37:35.120
And if you aren't really plausibly wrong about what you believe, cause then there's nothing
00:37:40.000
uncomfortable about it. You just know it's not true. When you are offended by something, it means that
00:37:44.620
there's an inkling in you that suggests you might be wrong about this thing, that the thing that
00:37:49.900
someone's asserting is maybe true. And if so, that's your sign to dig in, even if it's not
00:37:55.060
comfortable. And I'm glad that we have a policy of digging into anything that might offend us, but
00:38:04.920
Yeah. We sort of dug all of those holes and now there's not really a lot left.
00:38:09.740
We still get excited when we find opposing views though. So we still just dig into stuff,
00:38:13.420
even if it doesn't threaten us. So hopefully we'll still find those unknown unknowns.
00:38:25.000
Fat chance. Book publishers go so slowly. So I just don't think
00:38:29.760
I don't think you can expect to be anything interesting there.
00:38:33.400
Oh my gosh. I love you so much. I have been, you're like, oh, I'm sorry for being late. And yet
00:38:40.420
So here I am paying our bills, handling our work.
00:38:50.520
The only reason this happened is because all of the storytelling AIs have started to suck.
00:38:55.320
And that's why I'm having to build my own, which is really so weird to, within my lifetime,
00:39:06.140
Adventuring, like interactive models used to be really high quality, really addictive,
00:39:09.920
really enjoyable, and they degraded in quality really quickly. And so we're trying to build
00:39:17.360
It still remains like unconfirmed as to why their quality has degraded, right?
00:39:22.340
No, I told you why their quality degraded. It's fairly obvious. The two core models that
00:39:28.400
were really good were TriSpellbound AI, and then the other was GPT Flow. TriSpellbound somehow
00:39:35.380
lost access to their model. They must have been outsourcing part of the model, and they lost
00:39:39.900
access to whatever was making it good. And then...
00:39:43.460
That's a mystery. Whatever it's making it good is a mystery.
00:39:46.860
It's a model that's making it good. They still have access to the token layer.
00:39:51.020
What they lost access to was the literal model that somebody else trained, and they were white
00:39:56.260
labeling. That's very clearly what they meant by lost access. As to why they lost access,
00:40:02.540
I'm going to assume it's because people were doing not-safe-for-work scenarios on something
00:40:06.700
that had raised VC money, which often causes them to close off.
00:40:10.520
And the reason people in the flow got bad is because they retrained their model on too much
00:40:14.840
horny stuff, and now it can only do horny scenarios, and it can't do a good izakai plot or anything
00:40:23.460
That is why the systems have gotten so bad. And then for the other ones, they get bad because
00:40:29.080
they get money from VCs, and then they will no longer do anything offensive, which is
00:40:33.460
just not fun to play. You can't have a post-apocalypse without slavery. You can't have a fantasy
00:40:39.340
world without elf racism. You can't have all of these things that freak out AIs, which
00:40:44.520
is why I'm excited to see Elon take Grok in the direction that he is, having it be not-safe-for-work
00:40:51.520
capable, because we'll be able to plug that into our system and potentially spice it up quite
00:40:58.560
And what else did I learn that I was going to be like, oh, you'll find this interesting.
00:41:03.520
I don't know. I really appreciate the work that you've done today, Simone. It's fantastic.
00:41:52.620
Come here now. Come, hello. Hello. Hello. Hello.
00:42:09.380
Oh, well, as much as a crawling person can trip, for sure.
00:42:21.740
Yeah. Well, everyone likes Mr. Bear. He's the most popular person in this house, isn't he?
00:42:33.140
Yeah, she made it through out of her baby tunnel.