00:02:37.160but but after this point while and and this is something i want to talk about while culturally
00:02:51.620we seem to be winning more like our ability to do something like boycott harley davidson
00:02:59.340or tractor supply by the way they're super woke simone i don't know if you know this
00:03:02.580to the extent that they've actually changed their policies has not been effective but in the spaces
00:03:08.340we've been closer to like the video game space like the ubisoft boycotts basically we learned we
00:03:14.920have to put these companies out of business and so i want to talk with you about that experience
00:03:20.980like you getting into this space before the the big cancellation attempt how you thought about
00:03:28.960and managed that and how the culture has changed post that all right okay so i guess the starting
00:03:39.080point is like how how did i feel during the cancellation no how'd you get into v2 like when
00:03:43.900you got into vtubing did you intend to be a political vtuber no not really i mean i first
00:03:49.120got into vtubing back in like 2018 and i wasn't even like a vtuber proper then i was just like
00:03:55.040a png tuber i originally started like without even a microphone like two weeks of streaming no
00:04:00.000microphone no nothing because i had just quit my job at an insurance company after an elongated
00:04:04.620period of my anxiety being incredibly bad and so at this point in time i was hopped up on like
00:04:09.540three different anxiety medications and i was just like well i don't want to just sit around
00:04:14.460and do nothing all day i feel like i should at least try to do something that could help
00:04:19.480my anxiety get better well my name is pretty well known in the terror community so if i started
00:04:25.680streaming i would already have like a small audience of people who would be there and then
00:04:31.220i could use that as like i'm gonna interact with people more frequently i'm gonna you know get a
00:04:35.900bit out of my safe bubble of like i only want to do text communications and so like eventually you
00:04:42.180know obviously i started using my microphone i got a png i got a like animated gif community what
00:04:47.940what was your, your experience there? I was one of the best PVPers on the server for many,
00:04:53.580many years. I was frequently rank one on the rank board whenever like Freywind Canyon would have
00:04:58.920its like rollovers. I didn't do threes as often, but I absolutely loved Freywind Canyon. And I
00:05:04.480loved doing like guild PVP and whatnot. Like it, it was really weird, like coming into a streamer
00:05:09.380scene and seeing people like Lakari, who I had healed for like years before already being huge
00:05:15.320streamers right i was just like what the heck xenosis vex i played with him and like final
00:05:19.520fantasy 14 rating as well so like to see all these people who like had been in like raid groups or
00:05:24.400pvp groups before in different games with me i was like oh i thought streaming streaming's got
00:05:28.400pretty robust is it not so it was like previously i never paid attention to it it was like an
00:05:33.320alternative to what people used to do like i'm gonna get out there and build a social life it
00:05:37.980was like yeah that okay so that's fascinating okay so now describe how you go from there
00:05:44.080to like, what got you on the, I'm actually going to start talking? Because we didn't start talking
00:05:49.600about politics either. We had no interest in that to start. In fact, we started with pretty
00:05:54.380progressive political beliefs, getting into the space and everything. So was it that you were a
00:06:01.180conservative during this time, or you had conservative-like beliefs, or were these
00:06:05.680beliefs that you developed over time in the space, or you just felt more comfortable talking about
00:06:11.080over time i would say i was probably already on the conservative path at this point for the 2016
00:06:17.260election i had been registered independent basically since i could register to vote
00:06:21.360and for the 2016 election i changed my registration from independent to republican so that i could vote
00:06:26.680for trump in the primary and i i guess i had been talking about like the nonsense with transgender
00:06:34.360targeting children probably since about 2011 2012 like just in my personal life yeah yeah that was
00:06:42.100like you get canceled fired for talking about that like 20 yeah and and i i'd post about it like on
00:06:47.260my facebook you know which i didn't have many friends on facebook because i'm not a huge social
00:06:51.840media person so i would just like post about it occasionally there and so when i started streaming
00:06:57.040when my friend who would come and voice chat with me my old head moderator tangerine he he would get
00:07:03.260our groups together so he would either put us in duty finder and we would wait for ages or he would
00:07:06.800like put it up in an lfg and we'd get other human beings while he was doing that i would just read
00:07:11.800articles on stream and so sometimes i would get through like a paragraph sometimes i'd get through
00:07:15.760like half of it sometimes i would have enough time to finish it but it was like i would read
00:07:19.380that in between like waiting for dungeons because i just i enjoyed reading the news in my off time
00:07:24.440and i didn't have anybody in like real life to talk about the news with because they were all
00:07:29.360like either apolitical or like yeah i just don't care i just it doesn't matter to me so it was nice
00:07:35.460to like you know talk to this few people in my audience then who were also interested like
00:07:39.040in what was going on politically in america and it kind of shifted once a lot more of i guess
00:07:46.500leftist policy kind of stuff started being heralded in the vtuber community as apolitical
00:07:51.780and so it's like you could see all the leftist rot coming in like it did to comics like it did
00:07:56.280to video games like it did to other things and everyone being like well that's not political but
00:08:01.020Kirsha is political and it's like you know what let's talk politics even more now because I don't
00:08:06.400want what happened to all of my other favorite things to happen to V2V that's fascinating so
00:08:12.320one story I've heard from some other VTubers we've talked to about this is there was like there was a
00:08:15.520big shift after the release of the Harry Potter game because a bunch of people hadn't realized
00:08:21.680how captured the space had become yeah until they just tried to stream what they thought of as a
00:08:26.500fairly innocuous game but it sounds like you broke the seal even before that based on and i think a
00:08:34.640lot of people don't realize this about a part of american culture because i talk about this with
00:08:38.980very specific groups often where i'm like when you are calling out a group for something that feels
00:08:44.460very justified to you and then they start yelling at you saying oh that's you know anti-mormon or
00:08:50.560anti-jewish or anti you know whatever and i'm like no this is like a reasonable thing i think a lot
00:08:56.160of just like a culturally american thing to do is to double down on it be like you can't police me
00:09:01.140for something that's a perfectly reasonable thing to say i'm gonna double down because you attempted
00:09:05.920to do that and that's sort of what drove you into this yeah and and it's like and people people like
00:09:11.680to be like vtuber purists i think that's fine where they're just like vtubers will only play
00:09:15.640games they'll only do like cute girl doing cute things like idol activities and i think it's fine
00:09:20.960to be a vtubing purist obviously i'm very much outside of the typical idol culture since i do
00:09:25.760talk politics and it's like i feel like once once we start making more gains and we stop having like
00:09:31.260the colonization of our spaces then i can kind of finally be like okay i still enjoy talking
00:09:37.020politics but i can actually go back to playing more games like i used to instead of having to
00:09:41.660talk about politics all the time well you do a very good job and for people haven't watched her
00:09:47.920stuff i often describe her as the top of the funnel for our sort of intellectual ecosystem
00:09:53.780which is to say you often do the original research which then drips out of all the
00:09:59.100various taps who watch all of whatever's trending right now federal scientists are working around
00:10:05.640the clock to probe its secrets once we understand the bug we will defeat it
00:10:12.200when did you begin to get into the deep research could that take a ton of time
00:10:19.240for the bridge stuff specifically man i i don't have a ton of time to watch content creators like
00:10:26.620i used to just because i'm a creator myself now but i used to watch a ton of videos and stuff from
00:10:31.340like it's a gundam and tim pool and the quartering and i originally even started watching tim pool
00:10:36.540way back in the day because he was he was like firmly on the left and i was like this is a guy
00:10:41.700that like has some things in common with me but i disagree with a lot of other things let's watch
00:10:46.720him because that's a great way to expose myself to you know the other side of ideas and sort of
00:10:51.520solidify how i feel based on his arguments you know so it was really nice and then over time
00:10:56.600obviously he became more center and left a lot of the left-leaning stuff behind but the quartering
00:11:02.780had made a video and he had a sponsor and I can't even remember what the sponsor was for
00:11:06.840but it basically like told you how woke a company was by using it so you could like scan an item and
00:11:13.460it would give you like a woke score for the company and they were like here's the top 10
00:11:17.160most woke companies of like 2023 I think it was or something and Campbell's was in there and I was
00:11:24.020like the soup company I like their soup I like I like their chicken pot pie pub style soup that's
00:11:29.100good and I hadn't I'd never heard of anything about Campbell's even in all of my like going
00:11:34.360through other basic DEI stuff yeah and I looked them up and one of the first things I found was
00:11:41.700that Campbell's was spearhead funding a project called bridge and I was like oh well what's bridge
00:11:47.540and I found out that there are like two different bridges there's one set up by social impact and
00:11:51.580then there's the one that I've been digging into by Cheryl Dijia and I thought at first when I first
00:11:56.120found them that they had something to do with each other because social impact was called like bridge
00:12:00.400project 2.0 and Cheryl Dijia had referred to her project as like a 2.0 of DEI before so I was like
00:12:06.900maybe but I couldn't find any solid connections between those two specifically okay but going
00:12:11.340through Cheryl Dijia's was like wow and I literally could only contribute or attribute it to having
00:12:18.060watch that the quartering video if i'd never watched that i would have never looked into
00:12:21.560campbell's wait what what does what does bridge do i'm out of the loop simone's not in this
00:12:27.840this conspiracy i didn't know john shocker in our audience please so a lot of people when i try
00:12:33.580bringing up bridge they're just like oh this is just another renaming of dei like jedi or whatever
00:12:39.020and it's like well no it's not bridge is a company that is working with tons of other very very strong
00:12:46.900huge corporations and they have a ton of these corporations who are signed on to like their
00:12:51.600board of directors or their other like actual like willing to be publicly associated with bridge page
00:12:56.720but a lot of companies who aren't even on bridge they follow the same exact trajectory of hiding
00:13:02.420the dei and there was an interview with a lady who runs a podcast called like dei after five and she
00:13:08.160was talking to another dei acolyte saying that a lot of people don't realize how good dei is for
00:13:14.180them. And so you have to hide the DEI vegetables in order to get people to eat them to realize
00:13:20.820that they're good for them. So like the entire purpose for like for years before we started
00:13:25.240seeing it, Bridge was informing companies on how to obscure DEI, how to make it less public.
00:13:31.200The entire point of having like a DEI team after 2020 was to obviously showcase like, hey,
00:13:36.960we're woke, we're doing the Marxist thing. Yeah. Bridge comes in and says, this is going to be a
00:13:42.100problem you need to dissolve those dei teams and you need to embed those dei acolytes in other
00:13:47.580parts of the company because if people see the like dei outright that's going to be an attackable
00:13:53.480vector that's going to be a way to get yourself in legal trouble for discrimination 100 oh yeah
00:13:58.780whoa whoa like first so there's this implicit recognition that it is discrimination and it
00:14:04.100is going to get caught and it is going to get stopped but then that's so interesting because
00:14:07.520i listen to still so many leftist outlets and of course there's always the i mean just as there
00:14:11.880were accusations of greenwashing when environmentalism was added zenith then there's
00:14:16.400the accusations of like my brother retired from doge recently that i i should have sent him this
00:14:23.080been like hey just tear tear into this doge did not go far enough not oh that is insane
00:14:30.320so one of the things that you frequently talk about and i think it's an interesting
00:14:35.440meta conversation to have actually no we're gonna wait i'm gonna be disciplined before we get into
00:14:39.760this i do want to get the full history oh yes how okay so you began going into the bridge stuff
00:14:47.180with you so you got into the bridge stuff before the antevalencing yeah that was i started the
00:14:53.320bridge like research i want to say the end of 2023 and then my first posts about it were beginning
00:14:58.580of 2024 wow okay so that's when you begin to get into the the sort of intellectual deep dive and
00:15:05.140she does this not just with research on companies which you do a lot of great stuff on but also
00:15:10.420research on like if you want to know about like joe money like go watch her episode about that
00:15:14.420right like she'll go we'll do an hour-long episode you'll have like three hours going into it right
00:15:19.640like really deep stuff and i i super appreciate my audience as well because it's like when i do
00:15:24.380this bridge deep dive stuff and i i want to like show what i'm looking at so nobody can be like oh
00:15:28.860she's just making it up it's like no you can see how i found it while i'm live but it is a lot of
00:15:34.420corpo speak it is a lot of like dry hey this is really good information they're telling us what
00:15:39.600they're going to do they're telling us how they're going to subvert us but it's very dry very boring
00:15:44.140language wow this and then this is when so so in this part of the timeline now we're at the end
00:15:51.300and the antevalence thing was a complete sea change for a lot of people one because i think
00:15:57.280it validated the v-tubing community for the wider conservative movement that before it was unsure
00:16:03.880like fox girl right like what i don't know that looks weird that's like a furry thing or something
00:16:10.660right you know and we see the outlets that we're used to sort of affirming oh you can trust this
00:16:17.000because they're mad at it and then all of a sudden i think a bunch of people were like okay okay i'll
00:16:21.560take i'll take a look at this because the story did so well i i don't know so on our video on
00:16:27.200this i don't know if you ever have you ever dove over anna balen's personal diaries i don't know
00:16:31.780what the personal diaries are but yeah we we found quite a bit on their degenerate interests i guess
00:16:38.640you could say they're they're really sad like basically their their life falls apart that's
00:16:43.380our episode where we call them a cinnabite i don't know if you know cinnabites from hell0.67
00:16:46.120this is what happens that's a good word to use yeah we we we had like ai videos where we have
00:16:54.740like cinnabites doing book readings with kids and like why do you have trouble with this you
00:16:59.240know like cheering their teeth then then post this a really interesting thing happened which
00:17:08.700was in a huge part because of the the vtuber community but we go into this deeper in some
00:17:15.660other episodes but the vtuber community is intrinsically more nerdy than other parts of
00:17:20.020the right like tim pool i i used to be a big temple fan myself i don't find his new stuff
00:17:24.020is interesting it's his older stuff but he you know he's still like a normal not nerd guy right
00:17:29.580but the vtuber community almost intrinsic in its identity is not gonna crash out on anime like
00:17:37.240matt walsh or something like that it's not gonna crash out on girl michael knowles interviewed a
00:17:42.720furry recently so it's not yet over for me maybe i should reach out again well wait who interviewed
00:17:48.820a furry michael melz he's part of the three day interview i have no idea i just saw some
00:17:54.420video of him on twitter with like a guy in a fursuit in an interview setting and i was like
00:17:58.460what the hell glass ceilings broken crazy lore on us we were supposed to be on the last episode
00:18:05.360of tucker carlson oh wow but he was canceled yeah he was booking team and everything he set
00:18:09.860up crazy everything like that and then he got canceled but being so angry about that i mean
00:18:14.020i wouldn't want to be on tucker carlson now i wouldn't care as much but i mean i still would
00:18:16.900come on i have no idea what happened to tucker carlson i just know that i like his soundbite0.70
00:18:22.940of like you've been a bad girl and you're gonna get a vigorous spanking why did you say that0.57
00:18:29.680drop you in on our conspiracies here so this is one of our biggest conspiracies
00:18:34.220it is and i i don't know like i say it as a joke but like also i wouldn't put it past him
00:18:39.900it's that whenever somebody starts being mildly critical of israel
00:18:44.200massage poisons them so they go crazy and then like three years later they're like gibbering
00:18:49.660insanity this happened to tucker carlson this happened to candace owens this happened to nick
00:18:53.440fuentes like they all start just being mildly critical three years later crazy so it's like
00:18:58.820this is the prototype of the mind control chip but if you have it in you for too long you just
00:19:03.280go crazy yeah yeah that's probably it oh like a fallout where they they turn it on too much
00:19:09.460and their heads explode yeah the technology just isn't there yet they only get a good couple of
00:19:13.260years yeah i know we're laughing at this but it did turn out that the southern poverty law center
00:19:20.280was the kkk's major donor which is crazy to find out there's such little right-wing extremism the
00:19:28.040left has to fund it yep but it ended up pushing this sort of like nerd version of right-wing
00:19:37.780culture which i think has done a lot to create this sense of community and it's one of the
00:19:42.600things that we've noticed as well where when we started as like right-wing content creators and
00:19:47.060actually i'd be interested in your thoughts on this all of a sudden because of the vtube community
00:19:51.460we've gotten into like this community where like we interact with other people a lot more
00:19:56.120which didn't happen in our early days but i guess you never were in that right like you always have
00:20:00.440been interacting with people or did it like feel to you like this wider fringe group began to appear
00:20:05.140all of a sudden or it definitely began to feel like a wider fringe group began to appear i always
00:20:10.460kind of kept to myself like there were only a few handful of people that I would collab with
00:20:16.460especially regularly I just like I don't know didn't didn't really like reaching out to people
00:20:21.680too often and especially once I started going in a more political direction I was just like
00:20:26.500yeah well a lot of people just want to you know play games and do do normal stuff and I don't
00:20:31.960want to have like the effect of well their audience is going to revolt and cause issues for them and
00:20:38.900so like I it's just not it sounds like a headache right so I just I just didn't do that all that
00:20:45.380much and it's also interesting I agree with you definitely that the the vice situation blew things
00:20:50.640to outside of the vtuber sphere because in 2024 I was supposed to be on a panel at Ofki and I got
00:20:59.200told that I can't be on panels because I make volunteers feel unsafe and they showed me a
00:21:05.000handful of tweets like making a joke about Sam Hyde entering a woman's weightlifting competition
00:21:09.880or explaining the difference between the LGBTQ extra long acronym between Canada and America
00:21:15.600because we have two different really long acronyms and apparently me explaining that to people is
00:21:20.060problematic and also like me telling Tim Poole that he was wrong about the Charlemagne clip when
00:21:25.500when he was saying Charlemagne wants DEI gone it's like that's not what he said to him right
00:21:29.200they had a handful of like posts and clips like my my pronouns on discord being burger queen
00:21:33.860they're like this is why you make people feel unsafe this is why they feel unsafe no i mean
00:21:38.080these are the tactics they use to control organizations right like yeah and i mean i've
00:21:42.840shown proof of like off-kite not only playing these kind of political games where they're like
00:21:47.720you don't believe in the things we do you can't have a panel here but we're gonna have identity0.62
00:21:52.160politics panel about like being black and v-tubing and we're gonna actively sabotage people like in
00:21:57.640face connect on their on their stage debuts and it's like no people were just like well kirsha
00:22:03.020should have just kept her mouth shut kirsha shouldn't have caused any of this drama kirsha
00:22:06.240shouldn't have said anything right like this is causing a huge issue for something that like
00:22:09.800everyone likes going to and it's like why do you want to give money to people that hate you like
00:22:13.960yeah you want to support your oshi yeah you want to do things but shouldn't you demand like a change
00:22:18.100in the venue the people who run the venue because they clearly dislike you why would you give the
00:22:23.200money yes well i want to i want to i'm going to say this for the end the the the going into how
00:22:28.880we actually fight and win and where we fought and not won and the tactics that we use and the
00:22:33.700tactics that they use at work but one interesting tidbit that I thought you'd find fun remember I
00:22:38.460said we started this podcast much more progressive one of the first guests we had on this podcast I
00:22:42.600doubt you'd be surprised you you'd ever be on the same podcast as this person but was Ayla0.98
00:22:47.780oh the fucking sex lady yeah yeah we had an early podcast with her on how to do a consensual1.00
00:22:55.660non-consent orgy didn't they just have a tweet recently where like somebody got pregnant at a1.00
00:23:03.880consensual non-consent orgy yeah Romy Romy helped to organize her gangbang birthday met her now I
00:23:12.760think future husband also father of her first kid as a fluffer at the party and that is a story you0.88
00:23:20.160literally cannot tell people that is so disgusting in the bay area in the bay area
00:23:25.280it is it is so normative like i you just think that bdsm equipment is part of people's everyday
00:23:33.140furniture and i'm not kidding about that she grew up in san francisco so yeah but like imagine their0.99
00:23:37.900kid being like oh you were the fucking orgy baby do you even know who your real dad is0.99
00:23:42.960hold on we gotta the the funnier thing about all of this is in a recent episode of our show1.00
00:23:48.840Romy the girl who you're talking about who met the father of her child at a gangbang
00:23:53.880wrote a piece against abortion that radicalized my wife Simone against early stage abortion
00:24:03.420like last week that's crazy against like after week 12 basically when you develop neural tissue
00:24:10.380and you're capable of feeling pain like no we're not doing this then it's about a conversation
00:24:15.460about euthanasia i feel like you're gonna die painfully anyway but like before that whatever
00:24:19.760who cares i didn't have any understanding there was anything wrong with misoprostol or anything
00:24:25.160like that and then she writes this incredibly articulate substack about her experience
00:24:31.540trying like going through a chemical abortion early stage abortion and it's so horrifying
00:24:38.140and she develops it like postpartum psychosis and it's horrifying and then she like when she
00:24:46.280talks about it with other people other women because of course this happens a lot in the bay
00:24:49.480area like my mother didn't think that she'd be able to get pregnant around the time she was0.98
00:24:53.760trying to have me because she had had abortions and they had i think been communicating other
00:24:57.860things like that so i apparently a lot of women were like oh yeah i've had that terrible harrowing
00:25:05.940experience as well trying to like get a talk about harrowing the piece includes eating babies if we0.60
00:25:11.860just want to talk about like no well not eating baby like another woman had passed for her baby
00:25:17.260like after taking it like after taking misoprostol and passed the baby in like the the like a dive
00:25:25.240bar bathroom and was like there it is and then she's just like well i have to eat it now and
00:25:29.480i completely understand and like unfortunately i'm so i get it too i'm like yeah i like where
00:25:37.940are you gonna put it in the toilet like you have to reintegrate it i don't know but like it's so
00:25:41.600heartbreaking and like when you actually think about like even though this is a very early life
00:25:45.240it's still a life and it's still this thing that you're destroying and talk about radicalizing you
00:25:49.940should read the piece by the way you should like i think i think my like least conservative opinion0.93
00:25:56.440is i'm still on the like safe rare whatever the fuck it was like the original reason for abortion0.90
00:26:03.740it's like very early on very rare in like certain circumstances like incest rape like i'm i'm okay0.93
00:26:09.640with those kinds of things like in the case of motherless baby is not viable right like it's it's
00:26:14.580not going to survive to term that makes sense to me but like if if i was in a position where i was
00:26:21.520getting a chemical abortion which is obviously like you don't have to go into the doctor for that
00:26:26.200yeah i'm not gonna go out to like dive bars or other like i'm gonna stay home as much as possible0.97
00:26:32.920right because like why the why the fuck would i take that risk that's insane for me yeah the the0.80
00:26:38.740piece starts with an abortion party right just to sort of highlight how little she thought of this0.94
00:26:44.480at the beginning but i think it shows like people are getting radicalized like like even the people
00:26:49.480you wouldn't expect yeah yeah there shouldn't ever be something called an abortion party what
00:26:56.000is wrong with people holy christ yeah i mean it's we're getting to this point where i think people
00:27:02.060are now like ironically even if they're really in far progressive culture making fun of it from
00:27:09.220within it like sort of realizing how sick it is but then not fully internalizing that until they
00:27:13.640come face to face with it in some personal way and then they're like oh wait this really isn't
00:27:20.400working out and hopefully that will happen before too much damage is done to to more of society but
00:27:26.140we'll see society's been pretty damaged simone yeah yeah i'm gonna have to agree with that one
00:27:30.420yeah so the the the direction i want to go with this is now let's talk about like tactics so one
00:27:37.100of the things that you keep putting pointing out is that we have these warriors out like robbie
00:27:42.260starbucks right who will go out and do a piece on a company and be like ah you see i exposed him for
00:27:46.200being woke and then a bunch of newspaper articles will come out saying they're they said they won't
00:27:49.520be woke anymore and they don't even say that and then people on the right just like believe it
00:27:53.720right and everything goes back to normal largely speaking and the policies don't change because
00:27:58.640once you you get these people into companies it's very very hard to cut them out and in fact there
00:28:06.080is only one instance i am aware of of them being effectively cut out and that was the twitter
00:28:11.400acquisition and that required it what was it like 89 reduction in staff yeah it was a huge reduction
00:28:17.000And that is the only way to cut them out is to fire them. Because again, Bridge has been informing companies like this should not be a siloed approach. You cannot have DEI just in your marketing or just in your HR team. Any kind of like DEI consultants or DEI teams within your company need to be dissolved for one, to protect your company from lawsuits against conservative activists like America First Legal.
00:28:39.220and two because this needs to be a company whole approach this needs to be completely holistic
00:28:45.220all of your employees need to be on board with the dei work and eventually they will just naturally
00:28:50.560take it home and bring it to their communities and bring it to their dinner tables this is this
00:28:55.120is the ultimate goal and so whenever these like dei teams are being dissolved and robbie starbuck
00:29:00.300was like yeah we're winning we did this even in their press releases they're like we are committed
00:29:04.700to diversity equity and inclusion and it's like why can't anybody read just just like i'm not a
00:29:09.820genius here i just have eyeballs they barely work and i can still read like so so let's let's think
00:29:18.380through it so the and i had mentioned before we started recording like the one instance where
00:29:22.300like we've really successfully won against dei is in the video games industry and that is not
00:29:28.220and and we need to talk about like how radical some of these win cases were we had video games
00:29:33.580that people were spending like 400 million dollars on that had like a top player count of like a few
00:29:40.240hundred people yeah you're like 20 people playing a couple weeks post launch and this didn't happen
00:29:46.080once this happened like it's still happening today like this has been happening for years
00:29:53.560it's still happening today and it's like the entire industry and i think that what i take
00:29:59.660away from what happened to the video game industry is boycotts alone will never convince a company
00:30:06.660that's infected with dei to remove the dei yeah if you couldn't i mean keep in mind when ubisoft
00:30:13.520like fails that's like real people losing hundreds of millions of dollars right like this isn't like
00:30:21.060a small thing when these giant sony games fail this is like real huge and that even they can't
00:30:28.740wake up enough and so let's try to think through why can't they wake up enough because the people
00:30:34.300at the very very top i don't feel that they're actually i think they think going after dei well
00:30:41.480what if somebody says i'm a racist and and being called a racist in today's society even still even
00:30:46.900after all the work we've done is still this absolutely toxic thing when it when it's like
00:30:52.120even when it's like not true right they can get you fired they can lose you lps i mean that
00:30:56.960happened with us we were in the private equity space right like that's the moment in my background
00:31:01.180is this sort of thing we can't get hired at a major private equity firm now so it's wielding
00:31:06.780that again what are your thoughts i'd love to hear your thoughts before i ramble more
00:31:10.520i think that a lot of it is the people in charge of these companies they understand
00:31:15.760the maliciousness in their lives but they're people who believe like once the cultural
00:31:20.920transformation takes place we will be positioned in part of the like elite class we're not going0.91
00:31:26.000to be like the plebs down there on the bottom we'll be in a good position because we have1.00
00:31:30.140ownership of these companies people will want us to promote their messages we're going to be part1.00
00:31:35.160of the ruling class and then all of the little people who work on the video games who are like1.00
00:31:39.520yes dei is necessary you just hate games with women and black people in them they're like the0.99
00:31:45.340true believer useful idiot types where they actually believe that they're doing something1.00
00:31:49.220good that's going to have a good effect and is going to help them reach the like utopia that0.98
00:31:54.180they're dreaming of in this regard and so like one thing i've always been saying ever since i
00:31:59.300discovered bridge was that they are basically foregoing short-term profit for long-term
00:32:05.940cultural dominance so even though we see all of these all these games and companies losing money
00:32:11.760and it's great and it's a win and i love to see it definitely keep voting with your wallet
00:32:15.380they've planned for this they they know that they're going to be losing money because the
00:32:19.940modern audience doesn't exist yet. The modern audience is what they're striving to create.
00:32:24.620By transforming all these IPs into something horrendous with Marxism and all this DEI0.80
00:32:29.320nonsense, the younger generations will mostly have the exposure to these remakes, to these0.75
00:32:34.780retellings, and to these other stories that are being made right now that we all make fun of and
00:32:39.180don't buy. And that is where the problem lies. Yes, some of us will go to libraries, some of us
00:32:44.120have our own VHS or DVD collections, some of us are smart enough to be like, we don't want to show
00:32:49.180our children that we're going to only show them the original ips that you have to think like the
00:32:54.440average normie the average normie isn't going to be hunting down the classics they're going to be
00:32:58.740showing their kids whatever sloppa exists which is why we have an entire generation of ipad children
00:33:03.420in the first place because that made it much easier to just offload your child to tv can you
00:33:09.260imagine how we would be if they were actually competent like yes if they could actually make
00:33:15.660good games or tell good stories right like we we actually have an episode on this called the0.99
00:33:20.380the wachowski effect which is why do trans people's ability to tell good stories seem to like just0.54
00:33:27.060tank after they transition great question because like dragon age veil guard the writers were the0.72
00:33:32.500same writers as mass effect 2 mass effect 2 was awesome which house the veil guard was terrible
00:33:37.580you know and i mean we it could be any number of things we go over a few hypotheses in this but
00:33:43.980yeah we've the and i think this is a core to our eventual victory is that they're it turns out
00:33:51.560they're like really bad at their jobs like once they stuff these companies with dei people
00:33:56.060they are comically inept i mean we've seen this from the games that they're making and stuff like
00:34:01.200that these are not particularly impressive games and look at like harley davidson what innovation0.84
00:34:06.960has harley davidson made since it went whoa what new interesting thing what has campbell's done
00:34:12.240What has, they, they win by capturing institutions and we can only subvert them by creating counter
00:34:20.820institutions that are strictly better than the captured institutions.
00:34:24.740And I think that this is partially why we have this huge freak out around AI because
00:43:46.780and getting together with other people
00:43:48.100to help build them things as well but not just like waiting for the old giants to fall apart
00:43:54.100this is this is the point where it's like you have to be aggressive in at the bare minimum being like
00:43:58.920don't buy products from these people and here's why like not doing the same preachy thing that
00:44:04.540leftists do or it's just like if you buy these things you're an evil hitler but it's like you
00:44:08.420want to get that information out so people know like this is what this company is doing this is
00:44:12.980what they're going to continue to do they're lying to you and they're trying to subvert you
00:44:17.140absolutely well and i think and i think for my audience this is i i one thing i like about this
00:44:22.700space is like you obviously were a big motivation for like sky brows to do some of his early videos
00:44:28.040and stuff like that right like his videos are so freaking good man are they fantastic all by the
00:44:33.340way i've seen a good chunk and i've left some to play while i'm working all the time now our kid
00:44:41.660is singing the the the mormon one about bricks and minifigs you know like i haven't even gotten
00:44:47.700into that situation i had a few people in my chat tell me about it and i was like oh i should look
00:44:51.840into it but then so much information kept coming out about it i was like how am i going to digest
00:44:56.740this it's it's it will it will piss you off so much like like so many times and i think that
00:45:03.780this is is is important more widely in our community is be like look i like mormons i want
00:45:09.480mormons on on the end but like we do need to get in some sort of intra-community policing right like
00:45:14.360we we sometimes go into this with like i'm a big fan of jews right like everyone's always like
00:45:20.200malcolm greater israel and i'm like i don't much care about the countries around israel
00:45:25.020like okay greater israel whatever i'm kind of just like that's not my sand not my problem i
00:45:31.180don't care about anything that exists in the sandbox i just don't want american people or
00:45:36.740american money going to any wars over there absolutely we need to cut off funding for
00:45:40.980israel and i and i was like i don't understand why we don't just do that it's such a win for0.92
00:45:44.460the trump administration i would love to cut off aid from everywhere like holy shit at least0.87
00:45:49.480like i understand if we want to maintain our position as like a super world power that nobody0.98
00:45:54.660can fuck with like occasionally we'll have to just like throw money at some places but for the most
00:46:00.000part i think we should cut that off entirely like zero aid to anywhere for at least a little while0.98
00:46:05.000it's not even our aid that matters it's it's our supply chains and buying power so like we don't
00:46:10.360even need to provide aid we can just change the small incentives here and there with where things
00:46:14.880are shipped and how things are shipped i think we've got to be aware of the consequences of
00:46:18.580cutting all aid like look when us aid was cut the the thing was cut look at all the elections
00:46:24.640of latin americans since them right as keep getting elected yeah like clearly this is that
00:46:29.540some of them are putting people in jail and and now have lower rates of homicide than they've
00:46:37.800ever had before yeah some of them are cutting major social programs this is horrifying
00:46:42.680fine for whom yeah right i love that trump and argentina are they get along so well now that
00:46:50.060they're like hey let's let's hand back those islands from the uk right like and everyone was
00:46:54.520just like oh i thought people on the right wanted foreign aid cut what about all this money he gave
00:46:58.560argentina it's like well argentina paid it back after like six months or some shit so
00:47:03.080true that's also awesome that like the in in latin america we are seeing a lot of projects
00:47:11.500work like what's happening in el salvador is amazing it is and i i wish we could do like
00:47:16.580el salvador and just start arresting activist judges who keep fucking things up i wish we
00:47:22.100could just do that and the el salvador prison system is apparently like really really cool
00:47:27.560and good they really focus on like getting people jobs and stuff like that and like yeah well they're
00:47:32.280nice they have you know they have the nice prisons and they have the less nice prisons but yeah you
00:47:37.640just you know i i don't mind the the trump policy of just like instead of prison just like
00:47:43.640the the sending migrants just like where wherever they can like when they can't
00:47:52.120or whatever yeah just but i know i mean i think the point i was making earlier is
00:47:57.560If you're a fan of this show, Wiz AI and stuff like that, I'm not saying go out and white label some existing product and make it conservative or something like that, right?
00:48:07.320I'm saying, and AI can really help you with this, figure out how to buy beans from a local farmer somewhere and ship them in a means that's cost efficient.
00:48:15.940If you can do that using a network of AIs, you can get a cheaper product on the shelf than Campbell has and a better product on the shelf than Campbell has, right?
00:48:24.680like this is true of all of the products all the way down with ai we can just do things better now
00:48:31.200i i know is something like okay putting together a motorcycle yes i'd love if you do it in the
00:48:36.040united states but you know you talk to the right shops across like china and shenzhen and stuff
00:48:41.700like that you can get the parts made inexpensively enough stress test them then have them constructed
00:48:46.760in the united states to get over the tax and like i i want i think for so long we've been trapped
00:48:54.380in this life of you go to college which doesn't help people anymore and is one of the core sources
00:48:59.920of rot and you then get a day job and i think what i want to radicalize people into doing is like
00:49:06.820at least look into the alternatives and i love leaflet's music video about this like don't go
00:49:12.800to college like like put that money into trying to start a job because you'll learn more than
00:49:16.140yeah but yeah there's there's so many opportunities out there now but anyway so continue to go on i
00:49:21.820no no you're fine i tangent all the time it's great i was like i i agree with you as well like
00:49:28.160we should be setting up our own like parallel systems if we can but it's harder in certain
00:49:33.600areas than than in others like when when stream elements announced that they might be shutting
00:49:38.040down or they're being bought out by nobody knows yet but when stream elements announced that a lot
00:49:42.860of us went wait a minute what are we going to do now that was like the link to you like get
00:49:48.840donations without youtube or twitch or anywhere else taking a cut and now what are we supposed
00:49:53.400to use what else is there it's it's a donation platform well i mean okay so basically it's a
00:50:01.320donation platform and what they do is they have it so you can pay with paypal and obviously you
00:50:08.080can use like a credit card and paypal or whatever and that'll go to your paypal but it obscures like
00:50:12.360your personal information and then they also have something called se pay where if the person doesn't
00:50:17.560want to use paypal there's a lot of people in my community especially who are like screw paypal i
00:50:22.220don't want to use them you need to have an option to don't know that doesn't use paypal or acquire
00:50:26.260a login yeah so sd has se pay and so you can just use your card or like a prepaid card or whatever
00:50:32.500to to pay through se pay and it bypasses that has nothing to do with paypal whatsoever
00:50:37.540and so it was nice to have this like donation link i can that you did that and obscure obscured
00:50:43.120your information so nobody got your name nobody got your address nothing like that
00:50:46.760i i can probably build you that in a week or so so like that was that was something where people
00:50:50.780were just like well what am i gonna do and like there's stream labs but stream labs had a problem
00:50:55.720years ago where they tried like infringing on obs where like obs is like we don't care everybody
00:51:01.180can use our our code and everything but stream labs was trying to be like well we made this this
00:51:05.400is ours and everything was just like copy pasted from obs no i'm is there an alternative now like
00:51:10.920what are people using instead no everyone's still on either stream labs or stream elements because
00:51:15.340that's that's what there is but yeah i can build this for you that would be crazy i know so many
00:51:20.580vtubers would use it yeah so like this like what you're what your most important like desired
00:51:26.280things are because if you do that hold on simone i need to explain something so the way the big
00:51:30.780challenge in putting something like this together is that the credit card companies will try to get
00:51:35.320to you because the credit card companies are very aggressive yeah but what we do is you donate to
00:51:41.700our non-profit and if you use your correct email address it then accredits points to a separate
00:51:47.820site sort of behind the scenes uh and so the payment providers don't see this so we would
00:51:53.420still lose any margin that we lost on the payment provider and then we'd probably add some small
00:51:59.960like one or two percent margin on this i was gonna say i think when it comes to street and
00:52:04.800the sea the only percentage taken out is the processing fee from the card companies which
00:52:09.440is why everybody uses it oh okay well i mean i could do it without taking out any money as a good
00:52:14.740favor if people mention our site okay so i'll do it without taking out any money so we'll just take
00:52:19.340out the the card processing fees and just have it go directly to whoever the streamer is in terms of
00:52:24.180obscuring user information all of that will obviously be captured by the payment provider
00:52:29.500but i can obscure it on our end if that makes me yeah i mean if you haven't used stream elements
00:52:35.660before i can always like take some screenshots and like show you what the dashboard and stuff
00:52:38.900looks like internally that would be really helpful money if they're not taking any the way that stream
00:52:42.740elements made money is stream elements was first and foremost before they came out with se pay a
00:52:47.940sponsorship platform so they would go and find sponsorships and they would post them on their
00:52:52.240website and then streamers could go and sign up for them and when you got big enough you would
00:52:56.280have like a stream elements representative who would personally contact you and be like hey
00:53:00.080we have these sponsors available there's this many seats we wanted to reach out to you do you
00:53:04.420want to do these and so they would make their money from the sponsorship because you know
00:53:08.620they're probably taking a cut from those before we get paid out yeah okay another thing to note
00:53:13.760is the company that does all this is actually a non-profit so people can donate to it as a tax
00:53:18.200deduction as well so i'll try to get this set up for you that would be interesting i'm sure a lot
00:53:23.580of people would be very nice to have something because like when when stream elements announced
00:53:27.220that like we don't know who's buying them yet still but it's like i can only imagine all of
00:53:31.080us are just like well is it gonna work the same way like we don't know who's buying it so we don't
00:53:35.860know how they might fuck it up yeah yeah very exciting okay yeah sure just send me what you
00:53:40.840want and but this is what i'm talking about right like if if somebody's leaving the space and they're
00:53:45.320being a jerk i'm like okay i i can build this for for operate it for free in exchange for promotion
00:53:51.180for our site right like that's that's an easy thing for me to do and it'll work for as long0.95
00:53:56.540as it doesn't explode and get big i mean obviously our platform is very chud so all the progressive
00:54:01.220vtubers are still going to be up to the creek because we have like one of the features that
00:54:05.460we have is a feature that searches every not safe for work image gallery at the same time
00:54:10.580just to annoy the the other people who freak out about that stuff oh yeah that's really cool what
00:54:16.220other bottlenecks do you have i built the vtuber automated creation system because leaflet said
00:54:20.780that people would appreciate that what what other issues you have i mean me personally i have issues
00:54:27.100with artists being reliable like the illustration artists I've worked with they're amazing I love
00:54:31.540them love every single one of them I've worked with but model artists I've basically been waiting
00:54:36.440on my main model to be finished since 2020 it was supposed to be finished in 2020 I have another
00:54:42.480model that's been being worked on for several years now as well it's like my my rigors or my
00:54:47.340artists just kind of disappear or don't finish their work and then I'm out thousands of dollars
00:54:52.400oh yeah so we have a system that can get you a new so i i've got to improve it like we've
00:54:57.540obviously got to improve the end-to-end system we don't have a hand movement yet i'm still working
00:55:01.740on boob physics but you you i'll send it to you and you can you can try the beginning of it but
00:55:06.400it works for a low quality model now and i can get it working for a high quality model
00:55:10.520with like what you would probably want to do is generate something with our system
00:55:15.240then hire a rigor to refine it and with the refinement and an artist to refine it like
00:55:20.880refine the eyes and stuff like this in a few areas and i i think you can get a model that's
00:55:25.600as high quality as the model you have now was just a few additions to what we have this this
00:55:30.560was given to me by a community member fumetsu notora he makes things very fluffy he has a
00:55:35.900very distinct art style and uh he made this as like a gift for me and i've had a few of these
00:55:40.300gift models because people in my community have just gotten like just so frustrated and it's i
00:55:45.360i appreciate that they get frustrated on my behalf because it's like i i can't even show
00:55:49.620the extent of frustration i feel for how long some of this stuff has taken like i understand
00:55:55.240being an artist is not you know a traditional job but if you're making your money off of it you
00:56:00.260should be treating it professionally in my opinion and in the vtuber sphere it's kind of taboo to
00:56:06.380call out artists like even if an artist has like taken your money and fled you are still considered
00:56:11.940the one starting drama by bringing the rigors man so this is something i'd like to call out
00:56:19.520and my audience for because it's something that i don't have the time to make my skill and it would
00:56:23.260really help make this an end-to-end cycle is the rfab vtuber creation system if anybody wants to
00:56:30.860specialize on post output improvement of our models because it gets most of the way there
00:56:36.620i'd be happy to intro you to people who need that service and even advertise you on the website if
00:56:42.580that's something that you wanted to to build as a skill set if you're like i need a some but but
00:56:47.620no being flaky we're gonna be pretty strict about like actually getting things done within short
00:56:51.880time windows we're also actually pretty good at being go-betweens between commissioners and
00:56:56.500artists because that was literally our first startup as a married couple oh that's that's
00:57:02.340incredibly that's pretty much what vgen is and i like vgen as opposed to skeb because with skeb
00:57:09.780like you're not allowed to contact the artists at all and so if you get given something and you're
00:57:13.800like missing something you basically up shit creek whereas on vgen you you can message them and be
00:57:19.200like hey you forgot this file or hey you didn't make the background on this transparent and it's
00:57:23.820like i've never really liked skeb and i used them once and the one time i used them i had asked for
00:57:30.300like transparent background so that i could use the stuff i'm paying for in streaming and i wasn't
00:57:34.880given the transparent backgrounds and obviously i can't contact them and there wasn't any way to
00:57:39.940get rid of the entire background so it just looked really shit with trying to like edit the background
00:57:44.640out myself and so i i could never use those things that i got that is incredibly frustrating what we
00:57:52.060used to do was we had a platform that had artists and then clients and we would match them and we
00:57:57.840would do all the communication so like a client would say something really that would really make
00:58:01.140an artist like sad and not want to work on it anymore and then we'd like say it in the nicest
00:58:05.220possible way it'd be like they love it so much there's just this one adjustment that they realize
00:58:09.540because the artist is terrifying to me now because it's like yeah i don't i don't want i
00:58:16.760don't want to be that client oh you need to fix a million things and i i haven't been thus far
00:58:21.520thankfully but it's also like i've had so many issues that i just i just don't like talking to
00:58:29.280artists much anymore yeah like you just want someone to like handle it and make sure the
00:58:33.960thing comes out good and we did that it's just that there wasn't a market for it so it wasn't
00:58:36.880a business that could survive on its own but like i totally get it and yeah it all came from malcolm
00:58:41.860malcolm proposed to me on reddit using commissioned art and then he experienced like how hard it was
00:58:47.620to work with artists because he tried to commission i think he commissioned like 21 pieces
00:58:51.080and discovered like firsthand oh this is really hard artists are really hard they are i mean i
00:58:59.820guess you have to have some kind of instability to be like super creative and bring out like images
00:59:04.220from your brain that makes sense but like have have the kind of volatility that makes it so you
00:59:09.060still get work done it's so funny that people are like ai replaced all of the things we didn't want
00:59:15.900replaced first like art and music and everything like that and i'm like no what ai did is it made
00:59:20.500it so that average jack-offs like myself can be good at art and music right like it democratized
00:59:25.620they're doing it we're using ai to make art that artists just refuse to make for us they're like
00:59:29.980I'm busy. I can't do it. We're not even like taking work away from artists. Right. It's like,
00:59:36.640yeah, they weren't, they weren't accepting our requests. I mean, a VTuber model of Muhammad,1.00
00:59:42.440right. Who am I going to get to do that? Right. Like I almost did that. I, I, oh, come on. It's0.97
00:59:46.640not even that. I mean, cause I had to deal of course with our, our, our commissioning platform
00:59:49.960for like all the excuses from artists. If like something didn't happen and we would, you know,
00:59:53.480refund our clients, like the money wouldn't disappear because it was being held in escrow
00:59:56.660by us excuses I got included oh I can't take this on I'm pet sitting for the next month like
01:00:02.820how is watching someone's cat going to prevent you from drawing a very simple anime line drawing
01:00:09.340like there's this doesn't make sense it doesn't it really doesn't and it's like I've I've had a
01:00:15.660problem with an artist before where I was like hey it's been like a year and a half and I see that
01:00:19.940you consistently reopen your commissions and take on new projects and you finish those new projects
01:00:24.600before mine if you don't want to work on my project please just let me know so I can find
01:00:29.460another artist who can and they'd be like no no I want to do it it's like it's like they wanted I
01:00:34.580guess like maybe clout from like working with a bigger person but then like never finishing it so
01:00:39.580it's like what what am I like and when they're delayed this much I lose opportunities I lose
01:00:44.960ability to do certain things if I had like stuff planned out I can't do any of that and so like
01:00:49.980I've stopped planning anything around models
01:00:51.860because I just can't find artists to finish them.