Based Camp - Kirsche： How To Actually Win The Culture War

00:00:00.000 Hello, everyone. I am so excited to be here with you today. Today, we actually are doing a collab

00:00:06.260 with Kirsha, which is so exciting because I wanted to do this one forever. It's like everything's

00:00:10.280 coming in at once. And the context on Kirsha, if you are not familiar with who she is or her

00:00:17.920 cultural relevance, because it's hugely outsized, I think. My entire life within nerdy cultural

00:00:26.700 niches we had the wokes and the proto wokes come in whether it was video games whether it was you

00:00:35.400 know cons whether it was trading cards whether it was you know anime they'd come in and they would 0.86

00:00:43.160 screw it all up and they would take it over and they'd push us out and every time it happened

00:00:49.160 it just felt like there was this endless tide and it was going to forever happen to everything i

00:00:55.220 ever had an interest in and then one fateful day is sort of the last wave this happened in the vtuber

00:01:03.000 community and it happened specifically targeted at kirsha and when this happened we did a number

00:01:08.780 of videos on it and kirsha unlike every other person before her who held her ground and held

00:01:18.520 it in a way where they actually holistically retreated and they retreated to such an extent

00:01:26.020 that post this a conservative vtuber scene has begun to grow and i mean it was there beforehand

00:01:35.060 but now it feels much livelier and much more like a core part of the wider conservative movement

00:01:40.320 and it's been beginning to regain crowd so like after your attempted cancellation you then had

00:01:46.840 the guy who tried to do this to the horror space in in favor of shadows i don't know if you remember

00:01:51.560 this whole controversy um he tried to claim the horror space and he got absolutely eviscerated

00:01:56.780 immediately absolutely thrown out immediately and so her being in this it felt very much like

00:02:03.700 and then we'll know how to beat them one day we'll all be over and everyone will forget that

00:02:10.540 This was the moment. This is when it turned.

00:02:15.480 And it wasn't the mighty

00:02:16.320 Daily Wire.

00:02:17.360 It wasn't some fancy

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00:02:20.480 VTuber named Kirshan.

00:02:22.480 Good job.

00:02:24.960 Reporter.

00:02:25.600 Thank you, sir.

00:02:27.020 That would be

00:02:27.480 Fox Girl.

00:02:28.520 Sir.

00:02:30.720 Carry on.

00:02:31.340 Yes, sir!

00:02:36.560 Or

00:02:37.160 but but after this point while and and this is something i want to talk about while culturally

00:02:51.620 we seem to be winning more like our ability to do something like boycott harley davidson

00:02:59.340 or tractor supply by the way they're super woke simone i don't know if you know this

00:03:02.580 to the extent that they've actually changed their policies has not been effective but in the spaces

00:03:08.340 we've been closer to like the video game space like the ubisoft boycotts basically we learned we

00:03:14.920 have to put these companies out of business and so i want to talk with you about that experience

00:03:20.980 like you getting into this space before the the big cancellation attempt how you thought about

00:03:28.960 and managed that and how the culture has changed post that all right okay so i guess the starting

00:03:39.080 point is like how how did i feel during the cancellation no how'd you get into v2 like when

00:03:43.900 you got into vtubing did you intend to be a political vtuber no not really i mean i first

00:03:49.120 got into vtubing back in like 2018 and i wasn't even like a vtuber proper then i was just like

00:03:55.040 a png tuber i originally started like without even a microphone like two weeks of streaming no

00:04:00.000 microphone no nothing because i had just quit my job at an insurance company after an elongated

00:04:04.620 period of my anxiety being incredibly bad and so at this point in time i was hopped up on like

00:04:09.540 three different anxiety medications and i was just like well i don't want to just sit around

00:04:14.460 and do nothing all day i feel like i should at least try to do something that could help

00:04:19.480 my anxiety get better well my name is pretty well known in the terror community so if i started

00:04:25.680 streaming i would already have like a small audience of people who would be there and then

00:04:31.220 i could use that as like i'm gonna interact with people more frequently i'm gonna you know get a

00:04:35.900 bit out of my safe bubble of like i only want to do text communications and so like eventually you

00:04:42.180 know obviously i started using my microphone i got a png i got a like animated gif community what

00:04:47.940 what was your, your experience there? I was one of the best PVPers on the server for many,

00:04:53.580 many years. I was frequently rank one on the rank board whenever like Freywind Canyon would have

00:04:58.920 its like rollovers. I didn't do threes as often, but I absolutely loved Freywind Canyon. And I

00:05:04.480 loved doing like guild PVP and whatnot. Like it, it was really weird, like coming into a streamer

00:05:09.380 scene and seeing people like Lakari, who I had healed for like years before already being huge

00:05:15.320 streamers right i was just like what the heck xenosis vex i played with him and like final

00:05:19.520 fantasy 14 rating as well so like to see all these people who like had been in like raid groups or

00:05:24.400 pvp groups before in different games with me i was like oh i thought streaming streaming's got

00:05:28.400 pretty robust is it not so it was like previously i never paid attention to it it was like an

00:05:33.320 alternative to what people used to do like i'm gonna get out there and build a social life it

00:05:37.980 was like yeah that okay so that's fascinating okay so now describe how you go from there

00:05:44.080 to like, what got you on the, I'm actually going to start talking? Because we didn't start talking

00:05:49.600 about politics either. We had no interest in that to start. In fact, we started with pretty

00:05:54.380 progressive political beliefs, getting into the space and everything. So was it that you were a

00:06:01.180 conservative during this time, or you had conservative-like beliefs, or were these

00:06:05.680 beliefs that you developed over time in the space, or you just felt more comfortable talking about

00:06:11.080 over time i would say i was probably already on the conservative path at this point for the 2016

00:06:17.260 election i had been registered independent basically since i could register to vote

00:06:21.360 and for the 2016 election i changed my registration from independent to republican so that i could vote

00:06:26.680 for trump in the primary and i i guess i had been talking about like the nonsense with transgender

00:06:34.360 targeting children probably since about 2011 2012 like just in my personal life yeah yeah that was

00:06:42.100 like you get canceled fired for talking about that like 20 yeah and and i i'd post about it like on

00:06:47.260 my facebook you know which i didn't have many friends on facebook because i'm not a huge social

00:06:51.840 media person so i would just like post about it occasionally there and so when i started streaming

00:06:57.040 when my friend who would come and voice chat with me my old head moderator tangerine he he would get

00:07:03.260 our groups together so he would either put us in duty finder and we would wait for ages or he would

00:07:06.800 like put it up in an lfg and we'd get other human beings while he was doing that i would just read

00:07:11.800 articles on stream and so sometimes i would get through like a paragraph sometimes i'd get through

00:07:15.760 like half of it sometimes i would have enough time to finish it but it was like i would read

00:07:19.380 that in between like waiting for dungeons because i just i enjoyed reading the news in my off time

00:07:24.440 and i didn't have anybody in like real life to talk about the news with because they were all

00:07:29.360 like either apolitical or like yeah i just don't care i just it doesn't matter to me so it was nice

00:07:35.460 to like you know talk to this few people in my audience then who were also interested like

00:07:39.040 in what was going on politically in america and it kind of shifted once a lot more of i guess

00:07:46.500 leftist policy kind of stuff started being heralded in the vtuber community as apolitical

00:07:51.780 and so it's like you could see all the leftist rot coming in like it did to comics like it did

00:07:56.280 to video games like it did to other things and everyone being like well that's not political but

00:08:01.020 Kirsha is political and it's like you know what let's talk politics even more now because I don't

00:08:06.400 want what happened to all of my other favorite things to happen to V2V that's fascinating so

00:08:12.320 one story I've heard from some other VTubers we've talked to about this is there was like there was a

00:08:15.520 big shift after the release of the Harry Potter game because a bunch of people hadn't realized

00:08:21.680 how captured the space had become yeah until they just tried to stream what they thought of as a

00:08:26.500 fairly innocuous game but it sounds like you broke the seal even before that based on and i think a

00:08:34.640 lot of people don't realize this about a part of american culture because i talk about this with

00:08:38.980 very specific groups often where i'm like when you are calling out a group for something that feels

00:08:44.460 very justified to you and then they start yelling at you saying oh that's you know anti-mormon or

00:08:50.560 anti-jewish or anti you know whatever and i'm like no this is like a reasonable thing i think a lot

00:08:56.160 of just like a culturally american thing to do is to double down on it be like you can't police me

00:09:01.140 for something that's a perfectly reasonable thing to say i'm gonna double down because you attempted

00:09:05.920 to do that and that's sort of what drove you into this yeah and and it's like and people people like

00:09:11.680 to be like vtuber purists i think that's fine where they're just like vtubers will only play

00:09:15.640 games they'll only do like cute girl doing cute things like idol activities and i think it's fine

00:09:20.960 to be a vtubing purist obviously i'm very much outside of the typical idol culture since i do

00:09:25.760 talk politics and it's like i feel like once once we start making more gains and we stop having like

00:09:31.260 the colonization of our spaces then i can kind of finally be like okay i still enjoy talking

00:09:37.020 politics but i can actually go back to playing more games like i used to instead of having to

00:09:41.660 talk about politics all the time well you do a very good job and for people haven't watched her

00:09:47.920 stuff i often describe her as the top of the funnel for our sort of intellectual ecosystem

00:09:53.780 which is to say you often do the original research which then drips out of all the

00:09:59.100 various taps who watch all of whatever's trending right now federal scientists are working around

00:10:05.640 the clock to probe its secrets once we understand the bug we will defeat it

00:10:12.200 when did you begin to get into the deep research could that take a ton of time

00:10:19.240 for the bridge stuff specifically man i i don't have a ton of time to watch content creators like

00:10:26.620 i used to just because i'm a creator myself now but i used to watch a ton of videos and stuff from

00:10:31.340 like it's a gundam and tim pool and the quartering and i originally even started watching tim pool

00:10:36.540 way back in the day because he was he was like firmly on the left and i was like this is a guy

00:10:41.700 that like has some things in common with me but i disagree with a lot of other things let's watch

00:10:46.720 him because that's a great way to expose myself to you know the other side of ideas and sort of

00:10:51.520 solidify how i feel based on his arguments you know so it was really nice and then over time

00:10:56.600 obviously he became more center and left a lot of the left-leaning stuff behind but the quartering

00:11:02.780 had made a video and he had a sponsor and I can't even remember what the sponsor was for

00:11:06.840 but it basically like told you how woke a company was by using it so you could like scan an item and

00:11:13.460 it would give you like a woke score for the company and they were like here's the top 10

00:11:17.160 most woke companies of like 2023 I think it was or something and Campbell's was in there and I was

00:11:24.020 like the soup company I like their soup I like I like their chicken pot pie pub style soup that's

00:11:29.100 good and I hadn't I'd never heard of anything about Campbell's even in all of my like going

00:11:34.360 through other basic DEI stuff yeah and I looked them up and one of the first things I found was

00:11:41.700 that Campbell's was spearhead funding a project called bridge and I was like oh well what's bridge

00:11:47.540 and I found out that there are like two different bridges there's one set up by social impact and

00:11:51.580 then there's the one that I've been digging into by Cheryl Dijia and I thought at first when I first

00:11:56.120 found them that they had something to do with each other because social impact was called like bridge

00:12:00.400 project 2.0 and Cheryl Dijia had referred to her project as like a 2.0 of DEI before so I was like

00:12:06.900 maybe but I couldn't find any solid connections between those two specifically okay but going

00:12:11.340 through Cheryl Dijia's was like wow and I literally could only contribute or attribute it to having

00:12:18.060 watch that the quartering video if i'd never watched that i would have never looked into

00:12:21.560 campbell's wait what what does what does bridge do i'm out of the loop simone's not in this

00:12:27.840 this conspiracy i didn't know john shocker in our audience please so a lot of people when i try

00:12:33.580 bringing up bridge they're just like oh this is just another renaming of dei like jedi or whatever

00:12:39.020 and it's like well no it's not bridge is a company that is working with tons of other very very strong

00:12:46.900 huge corporations and they have a ton of these corporations who are signed on to like their

00:12:51.600 board of directors or their other like actual like willing to be publicly associated with bridge page

00:12:56.720 but a lot of companies who aren't even on bridge they follow the same exact trajectory of hiding

00:13:02.420 the dei and there was an interview with a lady who runs a podcast called like dei after five and she

00:13:08.160 was talking to another dei acolyte saying that a lot of people don't realize how good dei is for

00:13:14.180 them. And so you have to hide the DEI vegetables in order to get people to eat them to realize

00:13:20.820 that they're good for them. So like the entire purpose for like for years before we started

00:13:25.240 seeing it, Bridge was informing companies on how to obscure DEI, how to make it less public.

00:13:31.200 The entire point of having like a DEI team after 2020 was to obviously showcase like, hey,

00:13:36.960 we're woke, we're doing the Marxist thing. Yeah. Bridge comes in and says, this is going to be a

00:13:42.100 problem you need to dissolve those dei teams and you need to embed those dei acolytes in other

00:13:47.580 parts of the company because if people see the like dei outright that's going to be an attackable

00:13:53.480 vector that's going to be a way to get yourself in legal trouble for discrimination 100 oh yeah

00:13:58.780 whoa whoa like first so there's this implicit recognition that it is discrimination and it

00:14:04.100 is going to get caught and it is going to get stopped but then that's so interesting because

00:14:07.520 i listen to still so many leftist outlets and of course there's always the i mean just as there

00:14:11.880 were accusations of greenwashing when environmentalism was added zenith then there's

00:14:16.400 the accusations of like my brother retired from doge recently that i i should have sent him this

00:14:23.080 been like hey just tear tear into this doge did not go far enough not oh that is insane

00:14:30.320 so one of the things that you frequently talk about and i think it's an interesting

00:14:35.440 meta conversation to have actually no we're gonna wait i'm gonna be disciplined before we get into

00:14:39.760 this i do want to get the full history oh yes how okay so you began going into the bridge stuff

00:14:47.180 with you so you got into the bridge stuff before the antevalencing yeah that was i started the

00:14:53.320 bridge like research i want to say the end of 2023 and then my first posts about it were beginning

00:14:58.580 of 2024 wow okay so that's when you begin to get into the the sort of intellectual deep dive and

00:15:05.140 she does this not just with research on companies which you do a lot of great stuff on but also

00:15:10.420 research on like if you want to know about like joe money like go watch her episode about that

00:15:14.420 right like she'll go we'll do an hour-long episode you'll have like three hours going into it right

00:15:19.640 like really deep stuff and i i super appreciate my audience as well because it's like when i do

00:15:24.380 this bridge deep dive stuff and i i want to like show what i'm looking at so nobody can be like oh

00:15:28.860 she's just making it up it's like no you can see how i found it while i'm live but it is a lot of

00:15:34.420 corpo speak it is a lot of like dry hey this is really good information they're telling us what

00:15:39.600 they're going to do they're telling us how they're going to subvert us but it's very dry very boring

00:15:44.140 language wow this and then this is when so so in this part of the timeline now we're at the end

00:15:51.300 and the antevalence thing was a complete sea change for a lot of people one because i think

00:15:57.280 it validated the v-tubing community for the wider conservative movement that before it was unsure

00:16:03.880 like fox girl right like what i don't know that looks weird that's like a furry thing or something

00:16:10.660 right you know and we see the outlets that we're used to sort of affirming oh you can trust this

00:16:17.000 because they're mad at it and then all of a sudden i think a bunch of people were like okay okay i'll

00:16:21.560 take i'll take a look at this because the story did so well i i don't know so on our video on

00:16:27.200 this i don't know if you ever have you ever dove over anna balen's personal diaries i don't know

00:16:31.780 what the personal diaries are but yeah we we found quite a bit on their degenerate interests i guess

00:16:38.640 you could say they're they're really sad like basically their their life falls apart that's

00:16:43.380 our episode where we call them a cinnabite i don't know if you know cinnabites from hell 0.67

00:16:46.120 this is what happens that's a good word to use yeah we we we had like ai videos where we have

00:16:54.740 like cinnabites doing book readings with kids and like why do you have trouble with this you

00:16:59.240 know like cheering their teeth then then post this a really interesting thing happened which

00:17:08.700 was in a huge part because of the the vtuber community but we go into this deeper in some

00:17:15.660 other episodes but the vtuber community is intrinsically more nerdy than other parts of

00:17:20.020 the right like tim pool i i used to be a big temple fan myself i don't find his new stuff

00:17:24.020 is interesting it's his older stuff but he you know he's still like a normal not nerd guy right

00:17:29.580 but the vtuber community almost intrinsic in its identity is not gonna crash out on anime like

00:17:37.240 matt walsh or something like that it's not gonna crash out on girl michael knowles interviewed a

00:17:42.720 furry recently so it's not yet over for me maybe i should reach out again well wait who interviewed

00:17:48.820 a furry michael melz he's part of the three day interview i have no idea i just saw some

00:17:54.420 video of him on twitter with like a guy in a fursuit in an interview setting and i was like

00:17:58.460 what the hell glass ceilings broken crazy lore on us we were supposed to be on the last episode

00:18:05.360 of tucker carlson oh wow but he was canceled yeah he was booking team and everything he set

00:18:09.860 up crazy everything like that and then he got canceled but being so angry about that i mean

00:18:14.020 i wouldn't want to be on tucker carlson now i wouldn't care as much but i mean i still would

00:18:16.900 come on i have no idea what happened to tucker carlson i just know that i like his soundbite 0.70

00:18:22.940 of like you've been a bad girl and you're gonna get a vigorous spanking why did you say that 0.57

00:18:29.680 drop you in on our conspiracies here so this is one of our biggest conspiracies

00:18:34.220 it is and i i don't know like i say it as a joke but like also i wouldn't put it past him

00:18:39.900 it's that whenever somebody starts being mildly critical of israel

00:18:44.200 massage poisons them so they go crazy and then like three years later they're like gibbering

00:18:49.660 insanity this happened to tucker carlson this happened to candace owens this happened to nick

00:18:53.440 fuentes like they all start just being mildly critical three years later crazy so it's like

00:18:58.820 this is the prototype of the mind control chip but if you have it in you for too long you just

00:19:03.280 go crazy yeah yeah that's probably it oh like a fallout where they they turn it on too much

00:19:09.460 and their heads explode yeah the technology just isn't there yet they only get a good couple of

00:19:13.260 years yeah i know we're laughing at this but it did turn out that the southern poverty law center

00:19:20.280 was the kkk's major donor which is crazy to find out there's such little right-wing extremism the

00:19:28.040 left has to fund it yep but it ended up pushing this sort of like nerd version of right-wing

00:19:37.780 culture which i think has done a lot to create this sense of community and it's one of the

00:19:42.600 things that we've noticed as well where when we started as like right-wing content creators and

00:19:47.060 actually i'd be interested in your thoughts on this all of a sudden because of the vtube community

00:19:51.460 we've gotten into like this community where like we interact with other people a lot more

00:19:56.120 which didn't happen in our early days but i guess you never were in that right like you always have

00:20:00.440 been interacting with people or did it like feel to you like this wider fringe group began to appear

00:20:05.140 all of a sudden or it definitely began to feel like a wider fringe group began to appear i always

00:20:10.460 kind of kept to myself like there were only a few handful of people that I would collab with

00:20:16.460 especially regularly I just like I don't know didn't didn't really like reaching out to people

00:20:21.680 too often and especially once I started going in a more political direction I was just like

00:20:26.500 yeah well a lot of people just want to you know play games and do do normal stuff and I don't

00:20:31.960 want to have like the effect of well their audience is going to revolt and cause issues for them and

00:20:38.900 so like I it's just not it sounds like a headache right so I just I just didn't do that all that

00:20:45.380 much and it's also interesting I agree with you definitely that the the vice situation blew things

00:20:50.640 to outside of the vtuber sphere because in 2024 I was supposed to be on a panel at Ofki and I got

00:20:59.200 told that I can't be on panels because I make volunteers feel unsafe and they showed me a

00:21:05.000 handful of tweets like making a joke about Sam Hyde entering a woman's weightlifting competition

00:21:09.880 or explaining the difference between the LGBTQ extra long acronym between Canada and America

00:21:15.600 because we have two different really long acronyms and apparently me explaining that to people is

00:21:20.060 problematic and also like me telling Tim Poole that he was wrong about the Charlemagne clip when

00:21:25.500 when he was saying Charlemagne wants DEI gone it's like that's not what he said to him right

00:21:29.200 they had a handful of like posts and clips like my my pronouns on discord being burger queen

00:21:33.860 they're like this is why you make people feel unsafe this is why they feel unsafe no i mean

00:21:38.080 these are the tactics they use to control organizations right like yeah and i mean i've

00:21:42.840 shown proof of like off-kite not only playing these kind of political games where they're like

00:21:47.720 you don't believe in the things we do you can't have a panel here but we're gonna have identity 0.62

00:21:52.160 politics panel about like being black and v-tubing and we're gonna actively sabotage people like in

00:21:57.640 face connect on their on their stage debuts and it's like no people were just like well kirsha

00:22:03.020 should have just kept her mouth shut kirsha shouldn't have caused any of this drama kirsha

00:22:06.240 shouldn't have said anything right like this is causing a huge issue for something that like

00:22:09.800 everyone likes going to and it's like why do you want to give money to people that hate you like

00:22:13.960 yeah you want to support your oshi yeah you want to do things but shouldn't you demand like a change

00:22:18.100 in the venue the people who run the venue because they clearly dislike you why would you give the

00:22:23.200 money yes well i want to i want to i'm going to say this for the end the the the going into how

00:22:28.880 we actually fight and win and where we fought and not won and the tactics that we use and the

00:22:33.700 tactics that they use at work but one interesting tidbit that I thought you'd find fun remember I

00:22:38.460 said we started this podcast much more progressive one of the first guests we had on this podcast I

00:22:42.600 doubt you'd be surprised you you'd ever be on the same podcast as this person but was Ayla 0.98

00:22:47.780 oh the fucking sex lady yeah yeah we had an early podcast with her on how to do a consensual 1.00

00:22:55.660 non-consent orgy didn't they just have a tweet recently where like somebody got pregnant at a 1.00

00:23:03.880 consensual non-consent orgy yeah Romy Romy helped to organize her gangbang birthday met her now I

00:23:12.760 think future husband also father of her first kid as a fluffer at the party and that is a story you 0.88

00:23:20.160 literally cannot tell people that is so disgusting in the bay area in the bay area

00:23:25.280 it is it is so normative like i you just think that bdsm equipment is part of people's everyday

00:23:33.140 furniture and i'm not kidding about that she grew up in san francisco so yeah but like imagine their 0.99

00:23:37.900 kid being like oh you were the fucking orgy baby do you even know who your real dad is 0.99

00:23:42.960 hold on we gotta the the funnier thing about all of this is in a recent episode of our show 1.00

00:23:48.840 Romy the girl who you're talking about who met the father of her child at a gangbang

00:23:53.880 wrote a piece against abortion that radicalized my wife Simone against early stage abortion

00:24:03.420 like last week that's crazy against like after week 12 basically when you develop neural tissue

00:24:10.380 and you're capable of feeling pain like no we're not doing this then it's about a conversation

00:24:15.460 about euthanasia i feel like you're gonna die painfully anyway but like before that whatever

00:24:19.760 who cares i didn't have any understanding there was anything wrong with misoprostol or anything

00:24:25.160 like that and then she writes this incredibly articulate substack about her experience

00:24:31.540 trying like going through a chemical abortion early stage abortion and it's so horrifying

00:24:38.140 and she develops it like postpartum psychosis and it's horrifying and then she like when she

00:24:46.280 talks about it with other people other women because of course this happens a lot in the bay

00:24:49.480 area like my mother didn't think that she'd be able to get pregnant around the time she was 0.98

00:24:53.760 trying to have me because she had had abortions and they had i think been communicating other

00:24:57.860 things like that so i apparently a lot of women were like oh yeah i've had that terrible harrowing

00:25:05.940 experience as well trying to like get a talk about harrowing the piece includes eating babies if we 0.60

00:25:11.860 just want to talk about like no well not eating baby like another woman had passed for her baby

00:25:17.260 like after taking it like after taking misoprostol and passed the baby in like the the like a dive

00:25:25.240 bar bathroom and was like there it is and then she's just like well i have to eat it now and

00:25:29.480 i completely understand and like unfortunately i'm so i get it too i'm like yeah i like where

00:25:37.940 are you gonna put it in the toilet like you have to reintegrate it i don't know but like it's so

00:25:41.600 heartbreaking and like when you actually think about like even though this is a very early life

00:25:45.240 it's still a life and it's still this thing that you're destroying and talk about radicalizing you

00:25:49.940 should read the piece by the way you should like i think i think my like least conservative opinion 0.93

00:25:56.440 is i'm still on the like safe rare whatever the fuck it was like the original reason for abortion 0.90

00:26:03.740 it's like very early on very rare in like certain circumstances like incest rape like i'm i'm okay 0.93

00:26:09.640 with those kinds of things like in the case of motherless baby is not viable right like it's it's

00:26:14.580 not going to survive to term that makes sense to me but like if if i was in a position where i was

00:26:21.520 getting a chemical abortion which is obviously like you don't have to go into the doctor for that

00:26:26.200 yeah i'm not gonna go out to like dive bars or other like i'm gonna stay home as much as possible 0.97

00:26:32.920 right because like why the why the fuck would i take that risk that's insane for me yeah the the 0.80

00:26:38.740 piece starts with an abortion party right just to sort of highlight how little she thought of this 0.94

00:26:44.480 at the beginning but i think it shows like people are getting radicalized like like even the people

00:26:49.480 you wouldn't expect yeah yeah there shouldn't ever be something called an abortion party what

00:26:56.000 is wrong with people holy christ yeah i mean it's we're getting to this point where i think people

00:27:02.060 are now like ironically even if they're really in far progressive culture making fun of it from

00:27:09.220 within it like sort of realizing how sick it is but then not fully internalizing that until they

00:27:13.640 come face to face with it in some personal way and then they're like oh wait this really isn't

00:27:20.400 working out and hopefully that will happen before too much damage is done to to more of society but

00:27:26.140 we'll see society's been pretty damaged simone yeah yeah i'm gonna have to agree with that one

00:27:30.420 yeah so the the the direction i want to go with this is now let's talk about like tactics so one

00:27:37.100 of the things that you keep putting pointing out is that we have these warriors out like robbie

00:27:42.260 starbucks right who will go out and do a piece on a company and be like ah you see i exposed him for

00:27:46.200 being woke and then a bunch of newspaper articles will come out saying they're they said they won't

00:27:49.520 be woke anymore and they don't even say that and then people on the right just like believe it

00:27:53.720 right and everything goes back to normal largely speaking and the policies don't change because

00:27:58.640 once you you get these people into companies it's very very hard to cut them out and in fact there

00:28:06.080 is only one instance i am aware of of them being effectively cut out and that was the twitter

00:28:11.400 acquisition and that required it what was it like 89 reduction in staff yeah it was a huge reduction

00:28:17.000 And that is the only way to cut them out is to fire them. Because again, Bridge has been informing companies like this should not be a siloed approach. You cannot have DEI just in your marketing or just in your HR team. Any kind of like DEI consultants or DEI teams within your company need to be dissolved for one, to protect your company from lawsuits against conservative activists like America First Legal.

00:28:39.220 and two because this needs to be a company whole approach this needs to be completely holistic

00:28:45.220 all of your employees need to be on board with the dei work and eventually they will just naturally

00:28:50.560 take it home and bring it to their communities and bring it to their dinner tables this is this

00:28:55.120 is the ultimate goal and so whenever these like dei teams are being dissolved and robbie starbuck

00:29:00.300 was like yeah we're winning we did this even in their press releases they're like we are committed

00:29:04.700 to diversity equity and inclusion and it's like why can't anybody read just just like i'm not a

00:29:09.820 genius here i just have eyeballs they barely work and i can still read like so so let's let's think

00:29:18.380 through it so the and i had mentioned before we started recording like the one instance where

00:29:22.300 like we've really successfully won against dei is in the video games industry and that is not

00:29:28.220 and and we need to talk about like how radical some of these win cases were we had video games

00:29:33.580 that people were spending like 400 million dollars on that had like a top player count of like a few

00:29:40.240 hundred people yeah you're like 20 people playing a couple weeks post launch and this didn't happen

00:29:46.080 once this happened like it's still happening today like this has been happening for years

00:29:53.560 it's still happening today and it's like the entire industry and i think that what i take

00:29:59.660 away from what happened to the video game industry is boycotts alone will never convince a company

00:30:06.660 that's infected with dei to remove the dei yeah if you couldn't i mean keep in mind when ubisoft

00:30:13.520 like fails that's like real people losing hundreds of millions of dollars right like this isn't like

00:30:21.060 a small thing when these giant sony games fail this is like real huge and that even they can't

00:30:28.740 wake up enough and so let's try to think through why can't they wake up enough because the people

00:30:34.300 at the very very top i don't feel that they're actually i think they think going after dei well

00:30:41.480 what if somebody says i'm a racist and and being called a racist in today's society even still even

00:30:46.900 after all the work we've done is still this absolutely toxic thing when it when it's like

00:30:52.120 even when it's like not true right they can get you fired they can lose you lps i mean that

00:30:56.960 happened with us we were in the private equity space right like that's the moment in my background

00:31:01.180 is this sort of thing we can't get hired at a major private equity firm now so it's wielding

00:31:06.780 that again what are your thoughts i'd love to hear your thoughts before i ramble more

00:31:10.520 i think that a lot of it is the people in charge of these companies they understand

00:31:15.760 the maliciousness in their lives but they're people who believe like once the cultural

00:31:20.920 transformation takes place we will be positioned in part of the like elite class we're not going 0.91

00:31:26.000 to be like the plebs down there on the bottom we'll be in a good position because we have 1.00

00:31:30.140 ownership of these companies people will want us to promote their messages we're going to be part 1.00

00:31:35.160 of the ruling class and then all of the little people who work on the video games who are like 1.00

00:31:39.520 yes dei is necessary you just hate games with women and black people in them they're like the 0.99

00:31:45.340 true believer useful idiot types where they actually believe that they're doing something 1.00

00:31:49.220 good that's going to have a good effect and is going to help them reach the like utopia that 0.98

00:31:54.180 they're dreaming of in this regard and so like one thing i've always been saying ever since i

00:31:59.300 discovered bridge was that they are basically foregoing short-term profit for long-term

00:32:05.940 cultural dominance so even though we see all of these all these games and companies losing money

00:32:11.760 and it's great and it's a win and i love to see it definitely keep voting with your wallet

00:32:15.380 they've planned for this they they know that they're going to be losing money because the

00:32:19.940 modern audience doesn't exist yet. The modern audience is what they're striving to create.

00:32:24.620 By transforming all these IPs into something horrendous with Marxism and all this DEI 0.80

00:32:29.320 nonsense, the younger generations will mostly have the exposure to these remakes, to these 0.75

00:32:34.780 retellings, and to these other stories that are being made right now that we all make fun of and

00:32:39.180 don't buy. And that is where the problem lies. Yes, some of us will go to libraries, some of us

00:32:44.120 have our own VHS or DVD collections, some of us are smart enough to be like, we don't want to show

00:32:49.180 our children that we're going to only show them the original ips that you have to think like the

00:32:54.440 average normie the average normie isn't going to be hunting down the classics they're going to be

00:32:58.740 showing their kids whatever sloppa exists which is why we have an entire generation of ipad children

00:33:03.420 in the first place because that made it much easier to just offload your child to tv can you

00:33:09.260 imagine how we would be if they were actually competent like yes if they could actually make

00:33:15.660 good games or tell good stories right like we we actually have an episode on this called the 0.99

00:33:20.380 the wachowski effect which is why do trans people's ability to tell good stories seem to like just 0.54

00:33:27.060 tank after they transition great question because like dragon age veil guard the writers were the 0.72

00:33:32.500 same writers as mass effect 2 mass effect 2 was awesome which house the veil guard was terrible

00:33:37.580 you know and i mean we it could be any number of things we go over a few hypotheses in this but

00:33:43.980 yeah we've the and i think this is a core to our eventual victory is that they're it turns out

00:33:51.560 they're like really bad at their jobs like once they stuff these companies with dei people

00:33:56.060 they are comically inept i mean we've seen this from the games that they're making and stuff like

00:34:01.200 that these are not particularly impressive games and look at like harley davidson what innovation 0.84

00:34:06.960 has harley davidson made since it went whoa what new interesting thing what has campbell's done

00:34:12.240 What has, they, they win by capturing institutions and we can only subvert them by creating counter

00:34:20.820 institutions that are strictly better than the captured institutions.

00:34:24.740 And I think that this is partially why we have this huge freak out around AI because

00:34:29.180 AI is allowing for that.

00:34:30.560 You know, if you look at something like the Skybrow cinematic universe, like in terms

00:34:35.620 of like the music I listened to on a day-to-day basis, you know, it, it includes something

00:34:40.380 like sky browser holy ball or you know any of the the creators that are directly downstream of our

00:34:46.580 ecosystem because the songs that they're creating are as good as any other song i'm getting out there

00:34:53.160 right now and i think with ai in programming hopefully we can see and i'd really like to see

00:35:00.320 this in our space it's something i'm beginning to work on is people in our space making video games

00:35:05.260 and then eventually hopefully we can move to making products like leaflet had to move to

00:35:10.220 making her own plushies and making plushies for other vtubers because the plushie company 1.00

00:35:14.500 wouldn't work with her because she's a conservative what i i would also i would also say like make

00:35:19.120 makeshift dropping conservative creators was really interesting to me and throughout my

00:35:24.580 cancellation campaign i was i was talking to like youtube's people and they were completely fine

00:35:30.120 working with me again i just did another plush with them so like there are still companies that

00:35:33.820 they're like, you know, we don't care about the cancel mob. We're, we're going to work with people

00:35:37.860 that we think are decent people. But does that not, I mean, do you, okay. So a side question

00:35:45.440 before this, because there was something you said at the beginning that I was a little confused by,

00:35:48.340 do you think the people who actually run these large companies, not the people who run like the

00:35:52.400 DEI firms, like bridge and stuff like that, but the large companies, are they actually committed

00:35:56.520 to the DEI mission or are they just not thinking and they just sort of like the scare tactics are

00:36:01.260 working against it i i think it's probably a little bit of both depend it depends on the 0.97

00:36:05.540 company but some of them definitely will have the like ceos who are like yeah this is all bullshit

00:36:10.580 but i'm gonna push it anyways because it will position me as you know a person in the ruling 0.99

00:36:16.080 class rather than to be ruled over like the other little pleb useful idiots and then there's also 0.97

00:36:21.060 gonna be the people who are like well i'm terrified of people making a stink so we should just 0.99

00:36:26.140 capitulate to them and when when you encounter one of those like we're terrified of them making

00:36:30.340 a stink you just have to make sure that the counter stink is worse than the initial cancel

00:36:35.460 stink right if companies are more afraid of the backlash that they will get from cutting creators 0.98

00:36:41.300 or cutting people from a regular job for just no fucking reason because everyone's like i hate them 0.99

00:36:46.280 they're a big meanie poohead as long as companies fear the result that happens after that then 0.99

00:36:52.920 they'll stop doing it at least the ones that are just afraid of that cancel mob anyway yeah well 0.99

00:36:58.440 i mean we we did see a change in company policy if we talk about the victories we've had around

00:37:03.620 overly woke advertising after the dylan milvaney thing like i have not seen things that bad in

00:37:09.540 advertising since then but they're still within the company they're still preventing who can be

00:37:14.320 hired right like the statistic that came out about the gaming industry what was it that was like

00:37:18.940 45 percent of like new hires in the gaming space over the last year were lgbt it's like that's you

00:37:24.440 know active and aggressive discrimination right you know and i mean once you get that in there

00:37:30.640 you can't fight back without creating lateral institutions now you've mentioned still wanting

00:37:35.900 to work with people if they just cancel like have you thought about what yeah what's what's

00:37:42.820 your battle plan you're you're the chief here you've been at this for longer you've you've

00:37:47.300 been doing this what's what's the battle plan here how do we actually win that that is a great

00:37:52.460 question in my opinion what needs to happen in order to get the DEI rot out of companies is

00:37:58.260 either you starve them for money for so long like Ubisoft that they just have to fire everyone and

00:38:04.260 they end up closing down which I mean they haven't yet but they might be and other than that it's

00:38:10.600 just like you have to make sure everyone gets fired who's involved in pushing DEI stuff and

00:38:16.640 that should be easy to test based on what their roles used to be at the company what they did in

00:38:21.680 their positions the kind of materials they would push right like you just have to make sure those

00:38:26.700 people cannot be there and that's why like colleges when colleges would be like oh we're getting rid

00:38:31.240 of our dei department and then they would just reassign their like dei people to other places

00:38:35.420 i'm like they didn't do anything they did what bridge told them to do they they reassigned people

00:38:40.320 to embed them elsewhere so it's less noticeable what they're doing the dei is still there and you

00:38:45.580 can't believe them that it's not there until they find these people yeah okay so how best to starve

00:38:52.680 them so one of the things that that i'm seeing so this is a trend we've noted among conservative

00:38:57.400 women in our circles and this happened after we learned that leaflet buys from the same clothing 0.97

00:39:02.480 manufacturer simone does which is we've learned that a lot of conservative women are just buying 0.64

00:39:06.560 like medieval clothes on etsy yeah pretty much yeah yeah actually they work they're good yeah 0.88

00:39:13.940 they are but i think that across brands we're in a world where we can do that now right like

00:39:21.520 if a stuffy company isn't good enough a single vtuber like leaflet can figure out how to make

00:39:26.020 it herself if uh a clothing brand they're annoying we can build their own supply chains

00:39:31.140 and with ai increasingly we can make our own products i was talking to you before the stream

00:39:36.140 but like if you look at the ai system that we've built because we're just constantly building new

00:39:39.800 systems we've built best chat bots on the market we've built best ai both not safe for work video

00:39:46.660 and image generation on the market that uses every mainstream model vtuber creation recipe creation

00:39:52.700 an auto stalker i think it's also really funny how like the people on the left have gone from 0.98

00:39:58.400 haha no one wants to work with you you stupid chud to haha you have to use ai because no one 0.99

00:40:04.480 will work with you you stupid chad i was like but ai is awesome i like and also yeah look ha ha i 1.00

00:40:11.140 will never use ai and then their lunch is eaten by all the people who are just building better 0.99

00:40:15.360 companies yeah the product we're working on now that'll hopefully be done in like a week or

00:40:19.720 something like that is we also have a vibe coding software that we've built but is going to be an

00:40:23.640 integration for like email and discord and whatsapp and all of the places where people reach

00:40:30.260 out to you just because of us as like famous contract creators i'm like i only want this in

00:40:33.380 one place and then complete automation for that and I'm like I'm really annoyed that no one has

00:40:37.600 done that very well yet so I just decided to do it myself but like people in our space can just

00:40:42.000 build stuff like build games build stuff and I want to really encourage that because I think

00:40:46.280 that's the only way for us to realistically eat at their money like if somebody in our space starts

00:40:52.480 creating motorcycles I bet they would be much better motorcycles than Harley motorcycles

00:40:57.660 and I think it's probably doable I mean there's definitely a barrier of entry to doing stuff like

00:41:03.140 that especially whereas i mean it's starting to get a bit better and i know some companies that

00:41:07.480 i've worked with are looking to get more manufacturing back onto the american side

00:41:11.620 instead of having to use china for everything which is great i love that i would love more

00:41:15.580 like american made products especially to offer to my audience and and so it's like there is a

00:41:21.220 barrier of entry to like making physical stuff like that but yeah i agree if if somebody has the

00:41:26.260 wherewithal to do that like absolutely set up a competing company try like you're probably not

00:41:31.660 even gonna have to try too hard to get business away from a company that people have to begrudgingly 1.00

00:41:36.140 buy for from because there's like not not really much else to go for right like a condi nasp like 0.99

00:41:43.000 they control so much you know well people hate these companies now and and they are increasingly 1.00

00:41:49.160 i mean they become increasingly inefficient and when i talk about them being inefficient look at

00:41:53.240 the cost of of food these days look at the cost of the things you buy out there these days

00:41:57.060 the cost of the raw components have not gone up that much what you're paying for is corporate

00:42:02.780 incompetence that that's been the primary point of inflation you you talk about this on your show

00:42:10.000 but like if you look at the education system in terms of like putting money into public schools

00:42:14.000 and you look at a graph of like increasing costs over time the amount of money that's going for

00:42:18.820 teachers over like the past 20 years has been about the same the amount of money going to

00:42:22.800 administration has increased like 20x yeah the useless daycare jobs yeah and so it's it's i guess

00:42:31.620 burn this stuff down but also on the right we need super doge i think you're right about that

00:42:36.540 that's what i want from the next president is super doge yes i don't know i don't i really don't know

00:42:40.680 if that's possible part of me is just like let these systems i mean they are financially

00:42:45.060 unsustainable with demographic collapse they will crumble like they they will they their days are

00:42:49.640 numbered so just let them collapse and more important it is it's it is more important now

00:42:55.340 to invest in and focus on the alternate systems that we're going to have to all adopt as those

00:43:01.080 systems crumble and fall apart like just today i'm so excited about midjourney's medical announcement

00:43:07.320 that they have this new scanner that is faster and hopefully in the future less expensive than

00:43:13.140 an mri that can be integrated with like a spa experience and it's coming from like the company

00:43:18.920 that I use to generate AI anime images.

00:43:21.700 Like it's amazing.

00:43:23.040 And I think that we are going to see,

00:43:26.780 to your point,

00:43:27.400 like we don't necessarily have to think,

00:43:29.000 well, I don't know if we're ever going to see

00:43:30.600 US manufacturing again.

00:43:31.800 I don't think we're ever going to see

00:43:32.820 like armchair scientists control

00:43:34.940 of medical technology again,

00:43:36.120 because AI is weirdly and disruptively

00:43:39.260 going to make a lot possible

00:43:40.600 that we didn't think was possible.

00:43:42.320 I think there's also something to be said

00:43:44.020 for like building your own ecosystem

00:43:46.780 and getting together with other people

00:43:48.100 to help build them things as well but not just like waiting for the old giants to fall apart

00:43:54.100 this is this is the point where it's like you have to be aggressive in at the bare minimum being like

00:43:58.920 don't buy products from these people and here's why like not doing the same preachy thing that

00:44:04.540 leftists do or it's just like if you buy these things you're an evil hitler but it's like you

00:44:08.420 want to get that information out so people know like this is what this company is doing this is

00:44:12.980 what they're going to continue to do they're lying to you and they're trying to subvert you

00:44:17.140 absolutely well and i think and i think for my audience this is i i one thing i like about this

00:44:22.700 space is like you obviously were a big motivation for like sky brows to do some of his early videos

00:44:28.040 and stuff like that right like his videos are so freaking good man are they fantastic all by the

00:44:33.340 way i've seen a good chunk and i've left some to play while i'm working all the time now our kid

00:44:41.660 is singing the the the mormon one about bricks and minifigs you know like i haven't even gotten

00:44:47.700 into that situation i had a few people in my chat tell me about it and i was like oh i should look

00:44:51.840 into it but then so much information kept coming out about it i was like how am i going to digest

00:44:56.740 this it's it's it will it will piss you off so much like like so many times and i think that

00:45:03.780 this is is is important more widely in our community is be like look i like mormons i want

00:45:09.480 mormons on on the end but like we do need to get in some sort of intra-community policing right like

00:45:14.360 we we sometimes go into this with like i'm a big fan of jews right like everyone's always like

00:45:20.200 malcolm greater israel and i'm like i don't much care about the countries around israel

00:45:25.020 like okay greater israel whatever i'm kind of just like that's not my sand not my problem i

00:45:31.180 don't care about anything that exists in the sandbox i just don't want american people or

00:45:36.740 american money going to any wars over there absolutely we need to cut off funding for

00:45:40.980 israel and i and i was like i don't understand why we don't just do that it's such a win for 0.92

00:45:44.460 the trump administration i would love to cut off aid from everywhere like holy shit at least 0.87

00:45:49.480 like i understand if we want to maintain our position as like a super world power that nobody 0.98

00:45:54.660 can fuck with like occasionally we'll have to just like throw money at some places but for the most

00:46:00.000 part i think we should cut that off entirely like zero aid to anywhere for at least a little while 0.98

00:46:05.000 it's not even our aid that matters it's it's our supply chains and buying power so like we don't

00:46:10.360 even need to provide aid we can just change the small incentives here and there with where things

00:46:14.880 are shipped and how things are shipped i think we've got to be aware of the consequences of

00:46:18.580 cutting all aid like look when us aid was cut the the thing was cut look at all the elections

00:46:24.640 of latin americans since them right as keep getting elected yeah like clearly this is that

00:46:29.540 some of them are putting people in jail and and now have lower rates of homicide than they've

00:46:37.800 ever had before yeah some of them are cutting major social programs this is horrifying

00:46:42.680 fine for whom yeah right i love that trump and argentina are they get along so well now that

00:46:50.060 they're like hey let's let's hand back those islands from the uk right like and everyone was

00:46:54.520 just like oh i thought people on the right wanted foreign aid cut what about all this money he gave

00:46:58.560 argentina it's like well argentina paid it back after like six months or some shit so

00:47:03.080 true that's also awesome that like the in in latin america we are seeing a lot of projects

00:47:11.500 work like what's happening in el salvador is amazing it is and i i wish we could do like

00:47:16.580 el salvador and just start arresting activist judges who keep fucking things up i wish we

00:47:22.100 could just do that and the el salvador prison system is apparently like really really cool

00:47:27.560 and good they really focus on like getting people jobs and stuff like that and like yeah well they're

00:47:32.280 nice they have you know they have the nice prisons and they have the less nice prisons but yeah you

00:47:37.640 just you know i i don't mind the the trump policy of just like instead of prison just like

00:47:43.640 the the sending migrants just like where wherever they can like when they can't

00:47:52.120 or whatever yeah just but i know i mean i think the point i was making earlier is

00:47:57.560 If you're a fan of this show, Wiz AI and stuff like that, I'm not saying go out and white label some existing product and make it conservative or something like that, right?

00:48:07.320 I'm saying, and AI can really help you with this, figure out how to buy beans from a local farmer somewhere and ship them in a means that's cost efficient.

00:48:15.940 If you can do that using a network of AIs, you can get a cheaper product on the shelf than Campbell has and a better product on the shelf than Campbell has, right?

00:48:24.680 like this is true of all of the products all the way down with ai we can just do things better now

00:48:31.200 i i know is something like okay putting together a motorcycle yes i'd love if you do it in the

00:48:36.040 united states but you know you talk to the right shops across like china and shenzhen and stuff

00:48:41.700 like that you can get the parts made inexpensively enough stress test them then have them constructed

00:48:46.760 in the united states to get over the tax and like i i want i think for so long we've been trapped

00:48:54.380 in this life of you go to college which doesn't help people anymore and is one of the core sources

00:48:59.920 of rot and you then get a day job and i think what i want to radicalize people into doing is like

00:49:06.820 at least look into the alternatives and i love leaflet's music video about this like don't go

00:49:12.800 to college like like put that money into trying to start a job because you'll learn more than

00:49:16.140 yeah but yeah there's there's so many opportunities out there now but anyway so continue to go on i

00:49:21.820 no no you're fine i tangent all the time it's great i was like i i agree with you as well like

00:49:28.160 we should be setting up our own like parallel systems if we can but it's harder in certain

00:49:33.600 areas than than in others like when when stream elements announced that they might be shutting

00:49:38.040 down or they're being bought out by nobody knows yet but when stream elements announced that a lot

00:49:42.860 of us went wait a minute what are we going to do now that was like the link to you like get

00:49:48.840 donations without youtube or twitch or anywhere else taking a cut and now what are we supposed

00:49:53.400 to use what else is there it's it's a donation platform well i mean okay so basically it's a

00:50:01.320 donation platform and what they do is they have it so you can pay with paypal and obviously you

00:50:08.080 can use like a credit card and paypal or whatever and that'll go to your paypal but it obscures like

00:50:12.360 your personal information and then they also have something called se pay where if the person doesn't

00:50:17.560 want to use paypal there's a lot of people in my community especially who are like screw paypal i

00:50:22.220 don't want to use them you need to have an option to don't know that doesn't use paypal or acquire

00:50:26.260 a login yeah so sd has se pay and so you can just use your card or like a prepaid card or whatever

00:50:32.500 to to pay through se pay and it bypasses that has nothing to do with paypal whatsoever

00:50:37.540 and so it was nice to have this like donation link i can that you did that and obscure obscured

00:50:43.120 your information so nobody got your name nobody got your address nothing like that

00:50:46.760 i i can probably build you that in a week or so so like that was that was something where people

00:50:50.780 were just like well what am i gonna do and like there's stream labs but stream labs had a problem

00:50:55.720 years ago where they tried like infringing on obs where like obs is like we don't care everybody

00:51:01.180 can use our our code and everything but stream labs was trying to be like well we made this this

00:51:05.400 is ours and everything was just like copy pasted from obs no i'm is there an alternative now like

00:51:10.920 what are people using instead no everyone's still on either stream labs or stream elements because

00:51:15.340 that's that's what there is but yeah i can build this for you that would be crazy i know so many

00:51:20.580 vtubers would use it yeah so like this like what you're what your most important like desired

00:51:26.280 things are because if you do that hold on simone i need to explain something so the way the big

00:51:30.780 challenge in putting something like this together is that the credit card companies will try to get

00:51:35.320 to you because the credit card companies are very aggressive yeah but what we do is you donate to

00:51:41.700 our non-profit and if you use your correct email address it then accredits points to a separate

00:51:47.820 site sort of behind the scenes uh and so the payment providers don't see this so we would

00:51:53.420 still lose any margin that we lost on the payment provider and then we'd probably add some small

00:51:59.960 like one or two percent margin on this i was gonna say i think when it comes to street and

00:52:04.800 the sea the only percentage taken out is the processing fee from the card companies which

00:52:09.440 is why everybody uses it oh okay well i mean i could do it without taking out any money as a good

00:52:14.740 favor if people mention our site okay so i'll do it without taking out any money so we'll just take

00:52:19.340 out the the card processing fees and just have it go directly to whoever the streamer is in terms of

00:52:24.180 obscuring user information all of that will obviously be captured by the payment provider

00:52:29.500 but i can obscure it on our end if that makes me yeah i mean if you haven't used stream elements

00:52:35.660 before i can always like take some screenshots and like show you what the dashboard and stuff

00:52:38.900 looks like internally that would be really helpful money if they're not taking any the way that stream

00:52:42.740 elements made money is stream elements was first and foremost before they came out with se pay a

00:52:47.940 sponsorship platform so they would go and find sponsorships and they would post them on their

00:52:52.240 website and then streamers could go and sign up for them and when you got big enough you would

00:52:56.280 have like a stream elements representative who would personally contact you and be like hey

00:53:00.080 we have these sponsors available there's this many seats we wanted to reach out to you do you

00:53:04.420 want to do these and so they would make their money from the sponsorship because you know

00:53:08.620 they're probably taking a cut from those before we get paid out yeah okay another thing to note

00:53:13.760 is the company that does all this is actually a non-profit so people can donate to it as a tax

00:53:18.200 deduction as well so i'll try to get this set up for you that would be interesting i'm sure a lot

00:53:23.580 of people would be very nice to have something because like when when stream elements announced

00:53:27.220 that like we don't know who's buying them yet still but it's like i can only imagine all of

00:53:31.080 us are just like well is it gonna work the same way like we don't know who's buying it so we don't

00:53:35.860 know how they might fuck it up yeah yeah very exciting okay yeah sure just send me what you

00:53:40.840 want and but this is what i'm talking about right like if if somebody's leaving the space and they're

00:53:45.320 being a jerk i'm like okay i i can build this for for operate it for free in exchange for promotion

00:53:51.180 for our site right like that's that's an easy thing for me to do and it'll work for as long 0.95

00:53:56.540 as it doesn't explode and get big i mean obviously our platform is very chud so all the progressive

00:54:01.220 vtubers are still going to be up to the creek because we have like one of the features that

00:54:05.460 we have is a feature that searches every not safe for work image gallery at the same time

00:54:10.580 just to annoy the the other people who freak out about that stuff oh yeah that's really cool what

00:54:16.220 other bottlenecks do you have i built the vtuber automated creation system because leaflet said

00:54:20.780 that people would appreciate that what what other issues you have i mean me personally i have issues

00:54:27.100 with artists being reliable like the illustration artists I've worked with they're amazing I love

00:54:31.540 them love every single one of them I've worked with but model artists I've basically been waiting

00:54:36.440 on my main model to be finished since 2020 it was supposed to be finished in 2020 I have another

00:54:42.480 model that's been being worked on for several years now as well it's like my my rigors or my

00:54:47.340 artists just kind of disappear or don't finish their work and then I'm out thousands of dollars

00:54:52.400 oh yeah so we have a system that can get you a new so i i've got to improve it like we've

00:54:57.540 obviously got to improve the end-to-end system we don't have a hand movement yet i'm still working

00:55:01.740 on boob physics but you you i'll send it to you and you can you can try the beginning of it but

00:55:06.400 it works for a low quality model now and i can get it working for a high quality model

00:55:10.520 with like what you would probably want to do is generate something with our system

00:55:15.240 then hire a rigor to refine it and with the refinement and an artist to refine it like

00:55:20.880 refine the eyes and stuff like this in a few areas and i i think you can get a model that's

00:55:25.600 as high quality as the model you have now was just a few additions to what we have this this

00:55:30.560 was given to me by a community member fumetsu notora he makes things very fluffy he has a

00:55:35.900 very distinct art style and uh he made this as like a gift for me and i've had a few of these

00:55:40.300 gift models because people in my community have just gotten like just so frustrated and it's i

00:55:45.360 i appreciate that they get frustrated on my behalf because it's like i i can't even show

00:55:49.620 the extent of frustration i feel for how long some of this stuff has taken like i understand

00:55:55.240 being an artist is not you know a traditional job but if you're making your money off of it you

00:56:00.260 should be treating it professionally in my opinion and in the vtuber sphere it's kind of taboo to

00:56:06.380 call out artists like even if an artist has like taken your money and fled you are still considered

00:56:11.940 the one starting drama by bringing the rigors man so this is something i'd like to call out

00:56:19.520 and my audience for because it's something that i don't have the time to make my skill and it would

00:56:23.260 really help make this an end-to-end cycle is the rfab vtuber creation system if anybody wants to

00:56:30.860 specialize on post output improvement of our models because it gets most of the way there

00:56:36.620 i'd be happy to intro you to people who need that service and even advertise you on the website if

00:56:42.580 that's something that you wanted to to build as a skill set if you're like i need a some but but

00:56:47.620 no being flaky we're gonna be pretty strict about like actually getting things done within short

00:56:51.880 time windows we're also actually pretty good at being go-betweens between commissioners and

00:56:56.500 artists because that was literally our first startup as a married couple oh that's that's

00:57:02.340 incredibly that's pretty much what vgen is and i like vgen as opposed to skeb because with skeb

00:57:09.780 like you're not allowed to contact the artists at all and so if you get given something and you're

00:57:13.800 like missing something you basically up shit creek whereas on vgen you you can message them and be

00:57:19.200 like hey you forgot this file or hey you didn't make the background on this transparent and it's

00:57:23.820 like i've never really liked skeb and i used them once and the one time i used them i had asked for

00:57:30.300 like transparent background so that i could use the stuff i'm paying for in streaming and i wasn't

00:57:34.880 given the transparent backgrounds and obviously i can't contact them and there wasn't any way to

00:57:39.940 get rid of the entire background so it just looked really shit with trying to like edit the background

00:57:44.640 out myself and so i i could never use those things that i got that is incredibly frustrating what we

00:57:52.060 used to do was we had a platform that had artists and then clients and we would match them and we

00:57:57.840 would do all the communication so like a client would say something really that would really make

00:58:01.140 an artist like sad and not want to work on it anymore and then we'd like say it in the nicest

00:58:05.220 possible way it'd be like they love it so much there's just this one adjustment that they realize

00:58:09.540 because the artist is terrifying to me now because it's like yeah i don't i don't want i

00:58:16.760 don't want to be that client oh you need to fix a million things and i i haven't been thus far

00:58:21.520 thankfully but it's also like i've had so many issues that i just i just don't like talking to

00:58:29.280 artists much anymore yeah like you just want someone to like handle it and make sure the

00:58:33.960 thing comes out good and we did that it's just that there wasn't a market for it so it wasn't

00:58:36.880 a business that could survive on its own but like i totally get it and yeah it all came from malcolm

00:58:41.860 malcolm proposed to me on reddit using commissioned art and then he experienced like how hard it was

00:58:47.620 to work with artists because he tried to commission i think he commissioned like 21 pieces

00:58:51.080 and discovered like firsthand oh this is really hard artists are really hard they are i mean i

00:58:59.820 guess you have to have some kind of instability to be like super creative and bring out like images

00:59:04.220 from your brain that makes sense but like have have the kind of volatility that makes it so you

00:59:09.060 still get work done it's so funny that people are like ai replaced all of the things we didn't want

00:59:15.900 replaced first like art and music and everything like that and i'm like no what ai did is it made

00:59:20.500 it so that average jack-offs like myself can be good at art and music right like it democratized

00:59:25.620 they're doing it we're using ai to make art that artists just refuse to make for us they're like

00:59:29.980 I'm busy. I can't do it. We're not even like taking work away from artists. Right. It's like,

00:59:36.640 yeah, they weren't, they weren't accepting our requests. I mean, a VTuber model of Muhammad, 1.00

00:59:42.440 right. Who am I going to get to do that? Right. Like I almost did that. I, I, oh, come on. It's 0.97

00:59:46.640 not even that. I mean, cause I had to deal of course with our, our, our commissioning platform

00:59:49.960 for like all the excuses from artists. If like something didn't happen and we would, you know,

00:59:53.480 refund our clients, like the money wouldn't disappear because it was being held in escrow

00:59:56.660 by us excuses I got included oh I can't take this on I'm pet sitting for the next month like

01:00:02.820 how is watching someone's cat going to prevent you from drawing a very simple anime line drawing

01:00:09.340 like there's this doesn't make sense it doesn't it really doesn't and it's like I've I've had a

01:00:15.660 problem with an artist before where I was like hey it's been like a year and a half and I see that

01:00:19.940 you consistently reopen your commissions and take on new projects and you finish those new projects

01:00:24.600 before mine if you don't want to work on my project please just let me know so I can find

01:00:29.460 another artist who can and they'd be like no no I want to do it it's like it's like they wanted I

01:00:34.580 guess like maybe clout from like working with a bigger person but then like never finishing it so

01:00:39.580 it's like what what am I like and when they're delayed this much I lose opportunities I lose

01:00:44.960 ability to do certain things if I had like stuff planned out I can't do any of that and so like

01:00:49.980 I've stopped planning anything around models

01:00:51.860 because I just can't find artists to finish them.

01:00:55.100 No, it's really frustrating.

01:00:56.180 Well, then, okay, I'll get back to it.

01:00:57.080 Malcolm, make it better.

01:00:58.620 Okay, I'll work on the VTuber thing.

01:01:00.420 I'll send you some of the models that we've made already

01:01:02.060 so you can get an idea of like how high quality they are.

01:01:04.380 They're decent enough.

01:01:05.860 And I'll continue to improve on the rigging system

01:01:08.120 and everything like that.

01:01:08.920 But what I really need is somebody

01:01:10.000 who's just like a specialist in this.

01:01:12.100 So any of our audience who wants to take the time to do this,

01:01:15.380 it's the problem with this

01:01:17.240 versus everything else on the website

01:01:18.640 is i need to go through with every algorithmic change and then load up add the textures on the

01:01:25.720 model which all happens automatically if it takes time then load it into vtuber studio and test if

01:01:31.700 the ears wiggle right and if the ears don't and and i have to have different wiggles for animal

01:01:36.900 ears and elf ears and human ears by the way all of this is handled algorithmically we have a

01:01:42.280 different way of handling snouts so like furry models work and you know that's really cool

01:01:47.820 i spend way too much time trying to get this right well because i want people to have something that

01:01:52.040 they can use but it's it's with with all of these fields we can make something better there's nothing

01:01:58.200 that prevents us from creating the the better version of these various things and after this

01:02:03.300 we'll wrap things up after this with you do we have like an open chat on like discord or where

01:02:07.420 where do you talk to people where this discord is the best way to get in touch like i'm still

01:02:11.760 i have like probably 40 unchecked right now but it's still the best way to get in touch with me

01:02:17.920 are we are we friends on there yeah yeah what she said

01:02:21.560 yeah and i will build you this thing that you need it just was sent to you and i mean it's

01:02:32.380 basically nothing to build it's literally just a payment subsystem that goes to you so really

01:02:39.140 all it needs is a way to manage the payment to you so i can handle it it's just no one else in

01:02:45.240 the world will do it for free but i guess i'll do it for free for clout because that's what that's

01:02:49.160 what stream elements had and like i'm guessing right i'm guessing the way they made money is

01:02:52.880 like when companies would approach them like raid shadow legends and they're like hey we have

01:02:56.160 500 slots for this kind of sponsor thing i'm assuming they would pay stream elements before

01:03:01.300 stream elements like pushed out that sponsor to the rest of us because like we never get sponsor

01:03:05.340 money taken out whatever we make from a sponsor like we keep that under stream elements so

01:03:09.820 like the only the only thing i could figure is like companies pay them for the advertising that's

01:03:14.500 the only thing i could think of the way that they were making money wait hold on here's what i don't

01:03:18.460 understand why don't you guys just set up a payment processor that goes directly to you

01:03:21.980 i asked i have guys who work on my websites like kirsha.com and i asked them about adding a page

01:03:29.180 that has you know kind of like what stream elements did where it's just a donation link

01:03:33.420 that obscures all of my my personal information from like paypal or whatever and they were like

01:03:38.340 well that could be done but then it gets a little dicey because then we're holding on to all of that

01:03:43.560 money for you until you withdraw it and for tax time that could make things a little weird as well

01:03:49.520 i guess that's true i mean i don't know i've never set up a pay i don't care about i'm just

01:03:56.780 relaying what i've been told yeah i i don't care about that we already handle really complicated

01:04:01.440 taxes for the non-profit so whatever if something can be used what you handle it Simone I'm sorry

01:04:06.780 I saw that just no problem as a man who has not touched a single receipt related to this entire

01:04:14.280 thing we have no accountants it's just me over here no problem but it's just that made me remember

01:04:21.740 during my gamers ups merch drop last year they had a separate gifting website where people could like

01:04:30.760 buy my merch items and they would like be floating around in the ether that people could claim as

01:04:35.640 like a gift and you you had like a limit obviously like no no one could claim like every single thing

01:04:40.100 but like my community has been asking for that for my website and i asked my website guys and

01:04:44.940 they were just like that would cost so much to host i don't i don't know what it would cost to

01:04:49.680 host i my community has really wanted something again explain the feature i'll have to go find

01:04:55.380 screenshots because i took screenshots of it when i had it but basically it was a an adjacent site

01:05:00.980 to the official gamer subs website and it was like a gifting platform and so like you logged in via i

01:05:05.960 think twitch and they were talking about maybe integrating like youtube or whatever with it

01:05:09.240 later but it was just twitch integration for now and so like people could go to the website and

01:05:13.840 buy like a kirsha cup or a kirsha desk mat and they could either pick a person on twitch to

01:05:19.440 specifically claim it so it would be like tagged to that person's twitch name and that person could

01:05:23.840 go and claim it or if they just wanted to buy like 20 cups and have like anyone redeem them

01:05:29.120 they would buy like 20 kirsha cups and those would be floating around in the ether and you

01:05:32.560 could go to the gift page and you could hit claim cup and then you would put in your shipping

01:05:36.220 information and you'd have to pay for shipping but everything was given you know that sounds

01:05:41.180 like so much fun yeah everyone loved it and i like the idea yeah i like the idea because like

01:05:47.200 there there are some community members who like you know they might be in a bad financial place

01:05:50.440 they might want something to support the creator but they they don't have the money to do so

01:05:53.880 and then the giga whales come in and they're just like here are my children have the gifts i am

01:05:58.980 santa yeah i can build this i can build this i got yeah just when you have things you want come 0.82

01:06:06.960 to me in the future and i'll just oh hell fucking yeah hell yeah and i'll try to do all the 0.91

01:06:11.360 screenshots for you we had people come in on the stream and they were like i want an ai for like 0.93

01:06:16.920 dungeon dungeon master that like handles that and i was like i'll make it it's done

01:06:20.600 the the stalker feature i made for simone she goes i want to stalk people more easily online

01:06:25.280 i was like okay i'll build that for you called super stock i put together based on

01:06:32.020 i love hearing that like you want to get in the nitty-gritty and like build these kind of

01:06:38.620 platforms that either only exist in like tiny little bubbles or we're excluded from because

01:06:44.760 we're chuddy buddies yeah chuddy buddies the chuddiest of platforms right now everybody comes

01:06:50.400 in and no i love doing it because it annoys the leftists okay if i can make you build your own

01:06:57.160 things yeah if i can make a good vtuber rig system and then a bunch of vtubers start using it and the

01:07:03.360 leftists will witch hunt their own infinitely are you using the chud vtuber system are you

01:07:08.960 yeah yeah it's hilarious i've been told by a couple illustration artists i've worked with as

01:07:14.580 well like they've they've had large vtubers come to them and be like you can't work with kirsha 0.86

01:07:19.280 you have to reject her if she ever comes and tries to get artwork from you and they're just like well

01:07:24.360 why like i want money i don't care yeah yeah well i mean one of the funniest things is ai and i don't

01:07:33.080 know how much you use ai on a daily basis anymore how much do you use ai i really don't use ai much

01:07:39.620 at all for anything my my head moderator uses ai a lot to like double check things or get more

01:07:44.820 sources if i need them or whatnot and he's he's been great with ai he makes my thumbnails with ai

01:07:51.140 uh just because it would you know take forever to get an artist to finish different thumbnails as

01:07:56.000 often as i like to change them but i mean i'd be willing to use ai for most things i think my my

01:08:01.480 hard stop at the moment is like when i'm selling merchandise i want the artwork on that merchandise

01:08:07.000 to be from a real person that i paid money to i would feel weird like putting ai art on merch

01:08:12.780 and so for everything that i sell i i try to find an artist that kind of matches up with like the

01:08:19.000 head image that i have because like i also would not want to go to an artist and be like hey change

01:08:23.580 your entire style make it this way so i try to find an artist that matches with like the vision

01:08:28.000 that i have yeah well with ai this is one of the big areas where we have a huge advantage against

01:08:33.560 the corpos and the average leftist is it's like the leftists are trying to fight us without 0.88

01:08:40.060 beautiful women and without ai right like we should have no trouble cleaning up against this 1.00

01:08:46.120 oh i just thought of something as well your your like vtuber model creation thing is also going to 0.99

01:08:52.560 fix another issue some vtubers have fallen into so back in the day you guys know who project melody

01:08:58.140 is right yeah so project melody her model artist dmca'd a lot of her videos and was trying to

01:09:05.600 strong arm her to pay him more money to use her model that she already paid for because she didn't

01:09:10.740 have a contract saying that she had like full ip rights to the model from him and so there have

01:09:17.220 been a couple of other i think smaller vtubers who had a similar issue but it's like whenever

01:09:21.620 whenever you get your model like you need to have an airtight legal contract just in case

01:09:27.100 just in case that artist decides well now you're huge i made your model when you had like 500

01:09:32.980 viewers but now you have like 5 000 and i want more money right so like so they can't harm you

01:09:38.700 after the fact that's very frustrating yeah well anyway it's been absolutely great to have you on

01:09:45.740 sorry if i changed it over your time no i i love this i love this this is great and i'm happy to do

01:09:50.980 you know if you want to come on again if you want one of us on ever i mean usually it's just me

01:09:56.300 because simone can't handle weird times but i mean she has a baby you know so it makes it tough

01:10:01.960 you know i can imagine yeah with five it's complicated trying to replace them that's our

01:10:08.420 goal we have a live laugh love poster in our house that says we will replace you in the love style

01:10:13.600 yeah when the reporters come over they always get really freaked out they're like what

01:10:17.200 i i got when i had my po box which i i shut it down because a lot of stuff was just getting

01:10:22.260 kicked back return to sender like my mail wasn't being delivered for some reason but one of the

01:10:25.360 things that got delivered was a like korean flag with kim jong-un on it and it said live laugh love

01:10:30.080 that's so good oh my gosh where do we get one of those i have no idea but i saw that i was like who

01:10:37.200 said this what the heck thank you kind stranger that's thank you i love this oh wow something

01:10:43.440 like that simone that sounds legit amazing he's a very yeah and also uh the main reason i want to

01:10:50.220 connect with you on on on discord is just to build because the stuff that you you say you need built

01:10:54.360 is not difficult for me to build it might be difficult for my wife to handle the accounting

01:10:59.960 on i think i can figure it out as long as yeah the reporting i mean the reporting has to be

01:11:06.200 clear for each creator to see what they've gotten so if i can see it and keep track of it it's okay

01:11:11.060 all right well fantastic thank you so much for coming on the show and uh thank you guys it's

01:11:17.440 fun you're you're amazing no i mean i it's fun but also just like you such a legend you are

01:11:24.340 really the the buck at which the cultural tide began to turn it really I don't know if I would

01:11:29.580 say like legend but I I am very happy that I kind of I guess held a stronghold door and made other

01:11:36.460 creators feel more comfortable about coming out and talking about things that they care about that

01:11:41.060 they believe and seeing seeing me like I've had so many people say like seeing me stand up the

01:11:46.540 way that I did to something like vice made them all feel like maybe we can actually have an effect

01:11:52.920 on something and so that that makes me happy you didn't just stand up you clowned on them you

01:11:59.740 crushed them it was a complete retreat to the extent that i don't think like vice even has an

01:12:06.040 audience anymore right like not not because of you but i think that these institutions that we

01:12:11.400 grew up thinking of as important like vice we've realized that vice versus fox girl vice is

01:12:18.900 toothless i love how some of them tried downplaying it like oh this can't be real

01:12:23.700 like she wrote it so unprofessional and i had a lawyer man come on oh my gosh i just treat advice

01:12:30.140 the exact way that they should be treated yeah and it worked and ever since then there has not

01:12:37.580 been a single that i'm aware of successful cancellation of a right-wing internet figure

01:12:42.620 that that was that was the last of it that was it was the turning point it was the turning point

01:12:48.340 it was it was huge it never had do you know how crazy that is like obviously elon buying twitter

01:12:54.620 had a huge effect on this right and i i also love like the the wave of encouragement that

01:12:59.360 came after that like as we've seen with like advanced gg dropping rev and strob anytime

01:13:04.140 advanced gg tries to post something everyone just inundates them with like why would anyone

01:13:09.300 work with you when you just drop your creators in the face of a cancel mob and you keep on other

01:13:13.900 people who harass others like objectively and i love what when you look at individuals like rev

01:13:20.020 and straw that's the other thing i really love about the culture that's come out of this and

01:13:24.220 how it's affected right-wing culture is i think for a while we weren't sure whether the new version

01:13:30.800 of right-wing culture was actually accepting of people who are like different and weird as long

01:13:36.560 as they are are part of our larger and then you know i think anna valens affirmed you know you

01:13:43.920 and leaflet for the mainstream wife right audience and then gamer subs affirms rev like rev genuine i

01:13:50.300 think for a long time a lot of people in the right was like i don't know it's like an anime

01:13:53.400 vampire gamer subs is different from advanced gg oh sorry advanced ggg sorry yeah advanced gg were

01:14:00.080 the ones who dropped who dropped rev and strab just for no reason to but that the the the backlash

01:14:06.360 to that i think really affirmed the the rev instructor the change yeah yeah and now it's like

01:14:12.580 we're all like just like nerdy weirdos right like the nerdy and that's the other thing about the

01:14:18.160 nerdy weirdos the the nerd scene it's not even weird we're nerds we're nerds is is is we are

01:14:24.060 winning this for the right like we don't have internal fighting with each other we don't have

01:14:29.240 any real scandals we don't get married in front of the pope and then randomly cheat on our husband

01:14:35.200 a bunch of times yeah right yeah like we are like the wholesome part and it's like no they're the

01:14:42.320 only shots fired i'm aware of is like a year ago rev was annoyed at nux about something and then

01:14:49.340 got over it right like but generally speaking it's like none of us ever attack each other and

01:14:54.240 i really love that wholesome feeling to this as well as creators like you who are significantly

01:15:01.220 larger than us creators like nox who are significantly larger than us doing collabs

01:15:05.660 it's such a wholesome feel to a community it's it's really nice and i i i enjoy that there's

01:15:12.780 not as much infighting and i wish that especially when it comes to bridge stuff like even even if

01:15:18.180 other larger right-wing creators don't want to talk to me because i'm anime i wish they would

01:15:23.460 at least showcase the research that I've done, because I think it's a very important conversation

01:15:28.300 and it's very important to show more people. Okay. So here's, here's what I have. So any of

01:15:33.240 our fans who either work at the white house or have connections at the white house, I think

01:15:37.740 getting, where would you tell them to go for the biggest condensed? My pinned tweet on my Twitter

01:15:44.040 profile is an article of every single source of everything I've found researching into bridge

01:15:48.820 since 2024. The only thing not posted there, because I'm not a journalist, so I don't know

01:15:53.460 how to go about doing it, is I've recorded the monthly meetings Bridge has had, or one of my

01:15:58.560 moderators has when I can't, for the last two and a half years. And I have all of these videos of

01:16:03.880 them saying exactly what they're going to be doing, exactly what their plans are, the companies

01:16:07.520 they're specifically working with, the CEOs and the CMOs and the CFOs that come to these meetings 0.73

01:16:12.720 from places like even McCormick, the freaking spice company. Like I have all of these recordings

01:16:17.560 And I just, I don't know what to do with them because I don't want to go afoul of like some

01:16:22.120 recording laws or whatever.

01:16:23.740 We can also, so I tell our fans, send that to anyone you know, Simone, we've been, we've

01:16:27.460 been asked to speak at the white house before.

01:16:28.580 So we've, we've done that and we should reach out to our contact there, Simone, just as

01:16:33.420 a task item, we should reach out to our contact there about this to see if we can get them

01:16:37.380 to look into this at all, because it could be an interesting win for them.

01:16:42.120 Well, I know, yeah, they're, and they're very big and they're often very overwhelmed.

01:16:45.040 So maybe they just need to hear about it from our angles.

01:16:47.100 so we should yeah so i think i think get heritage foundation in front of bridge we have connections

01:16:51.740 at like claremont and stuff like that right like we could reach out no that would be great i would

01:16:55.880 love to like anybody who's willing to talk just give them my discord give me like starting like

01:17:01.980 a nerd right or new right like institutional like fun similar to heritage or something like that

01:17:07.300 and he's just like i don't see what benefit but at the very least we should be handing this sort

01:17:10.920 of information to well yeah because you've done like reams of research on this which is invaluable

01:17:16.760 and so that like they could take that and run with it because they have the lawyers

01:17:20.920 and you did the research and they can just plug and play it's like oh look i can start here here

01:17:25.960 and here like that exactly and especially more so that like obviously everything in my my twitter

01:17:31.500 article is for public consumption but like the the videos of these internal meetings where they

01:17:36.140 speak freely because they believe no one who doesn't believe other than them is watching

01:17:40.360 it's insane some of the stuff that they say gosh oh who else do we know they could like i think

01:17:48.500 who'd be interested in going deep on this you know louise perry talking with you could be pretty

01:17:52.540 good she's got a decent audience and i think she'd be interested in it do you know louise perry i do

01:17:57.360 not she's based in the uk she is one of those like i canaries in the coal mine she's really big

01:18:06.180 because she is in the uk so you know we're known as like the pro natalist couple whatever we are

01:18:10.880 to elon to jk rowling in the same way jk rowling can't spend all day railing against trans people

01:18:17.000 online louise perry can't does that for her right yeah she also goes really deep on a lot of stuff

01:18:22.560 and former leftists and everything like that yeah i mean a lot of our government connections are in

01:18:27.220 the uk because like we've been better at infiltrating governments there which is i don't

01:18:32.880 know why that's the case there's just i guess a larger nerd government faction in the uk i guess

01:18:37.760 maybe i i moved back to like where i'm from so i'm back in new england and i've i've been meeting

01:18:43.240 with a lot of like libertarian party and free state party people in new hampshire and that

01:18:47.660 gives me that gives me great great hope for the future at least out here which i love i love that

01:18:56.400 stuff yeah we we've done we've done speaking at some of that and we've been asked to come speak

01:19:01.200 at something in new hampshire do you know what it is moan the group they want to fly us out

01:19:04.800 have you spoken with them like some new society and they reached out on x and i can't remember

01:19:09.720 the name i can look it up really fast but like i know there are a lot of like state related

01:19:14.400 societies that it's like a membership faith but yeah awesome this has been so great and i'm gonna

01:19:22.860 get building those things and hopefully i can have them done in a couple weeks and i will try

01:19:26.640 to get screenshots of the se back end and the gamer subs gifting platform amazing i'll try to

01:19:33.180 mimic i'll try to mimic them just you know our system runs on stripe so that would be the payment

01:19:37.280 processor that makes sense that makes sense i think uh god what's it called side scrollers plus

01:19:42.760 locals i think they also run on stripe oh oh also important for you to know the reason i use stripe

01:19:48.460 is because you can use stripe with privacy is a app that you can sign into that creates a fake

01:19:56.440 one-time use credit card using your credit card that uses a fake name and address

01:20:01.860 so if people want to be like totally anonymous even to me that can be done that's pretty neat

01:20:08.960 yeah all right well all right spectacular have a wonderful day you too thank you again for having

01:20:16.520 me on and bye bye okay so you wanted to show the fans the toys that you bought um yeah i bought

01:20:24.620 this mask

01:20:25.740 and it's not

01:20:28.300 from.

01:20:30.760 Okay.

01:20:32.020 This is one thing to take over.

01:20:35.460 All the

01:20:36.540 places that are

01:20:38.220 trying to

01:20:40.500 destroy the United States

01:20:42.660 of America, or just trying 0.99

01:20:44.520 to shoot 0.98

01:20:46.700 a nuclear bomb 1.00

01:20:48.480 at America. 0.98

01:20:51.240 Okay? So, Iran 0.94

01:20:52.700 for sure, right?

01:20:54.620 what about China or Europe who do you who do you dislike more so you want to

01:21:03.000 handle both China and Europe.

01:21:05.000 Yeah, with one force heading to one island, and the other force heading to the other island.

01:21:17.000 And on both islands, there will be Chinook helicopters dropping snipers to shoot people

01:21:26.000 very fiercely and very invisible.

01:21:32.000 Okay, only the bad people or the civilians, too?

01:21:35.580 Oh, only the bad military people.

01:21:39.020 But the civilians will keep up your safe, okay?

01:21:41.820 And what are you going to do with the civilians after you get rid of the military people?

01:21:45.220 We're just going to handle them nicely and let them do what they want to do. 0.75

01:21:52.960 Oh, so you'll bring freedom to China and Europe? 0.64

01:21:56.300 Freedom.

01:21:57.380 Yeah, yeah, like some more space for the people that could be crowded.

Based Camp - June 19, 2026

Kirsche： How To Actually Win The Culture War

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