Leftists Argues Pronatalists Should Sterilize Black Women？？？
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In this episode, we discuss a recent article from The intelligencer arguing that the government should sterilize Black women, since they ve historically had access to birth control and other means of sterilizing themselves at the rate white women had, but not so for Black women.
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hello simone i'm excited to talk to you today every now and then an article comes out and it's
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never the big ones like there was a new york times article on us where you have a big picture
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of you on the front of it i loved it you looked beautiful there's the women of pronatalism and i
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didn't care because it was kind of a boring article to me but then it's the deranged articles
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i really like oh yeah and and one of the articles uh from the intelligencer basically argued that
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and and we'll go over it because it's really fascinating it was like well what we should
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really be talking about isn't pronatalism but what was the word that they used reproductive justice
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okay so what they meant by this is that pronatalism should have had a lot more talk about sterilizing
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black women i'm sorry the government sterilizing black women and then it wouldn't be as racially
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problematic and i'm like and hold on hold on no sorry you might be thinking here that pronatalists
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should talk about the government not sterilizing black like that we should be no no no they think
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that pronatalism needs to have more talk in it in support of the government sterilizing black women
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this is their progressive position and these are the conversations that are missing now she couches it
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in what we can go into the language if you want to but it's still deeply disturbing to me that
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yeah she was she's like look black women have historically had access to the ability to abort
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their child as easily as white women have and that should be what we're focusing the pronatalist
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conversation around and they haven't had access to birth control and other means of sterilizing
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themselves at the rate white women had and that is the one thing we should be talking about in
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fertility rates now if you're here thinking wait is that true that doesn't sound true it's not true
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actually while black people only make up 14.4 of the u.s population 38 of abortions are performed
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on black women they make up the vast majority of abortions and if you look at planned parenthood
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clinics i think it's something like 89 of them are in a minority majority neighborhood they were
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originally set up famously even by their own website to sterilize black women as part of a eugenics
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program and they still function in that capacity and there is almost no organization that i think
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you should be more in support of than planned parenthood if you are an actual racist or a
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eugenicist to be fair she also you know talks about the the fact that they also want prenatal care
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postnatal care fibroid screenings while also sti tests so that just has to do with you know
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having to continue having sex but basically she's just like why aren't we giving free health care
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to people of color and i don't see how that has to do with anything and that's not why she well she
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opens with that but then she proceeds to just make it an argument about reproductive choice and then how
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roe versus wade makes this a bigger issue than ever so what's clear from her ultimate emphasis even
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though she starts with this sort of vague allusion to wanting universal health care at least for black
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women is that this is really an issue about abortions and that's where it's it gets my goat a little bit
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like wait a second is that that's what's missing from your view this is it was weird and meandering
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but but i will say that that if you go through and we'll get to this when we get to the piece
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because i want to read some excerpts from it because it's actually a very interesting piece
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and i quite liked it like it's one of these pieces where it's critical of us but i like that it comes
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out because of some of the things that are in it which we'll get to in a second not just from a humor
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standpoint but a oh we've broken through one of the progressive walls we're getting closer to getting
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through all of the progressive walls right they have they have seen something that historically they
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didn't see before right and and all of the things that she said we needed to give black women were
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like only relevant if they were like sexually promiscuous and it made me realize that this is
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a person who believes that sex is a human well i mean to be fair either sexually promiscuous or
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having babies but then why not this for for all women well or or like regularly being graped or
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something in their community it's it's it's like this there's these people out there we went over
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this in our prepped episode which we'll review a bit in this one good episode you should check it
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out if you want this one that blew my mind yeah the government has us funding gay orgies but anyway
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it's like these people think like the founding fathers are like writing down our our rights and
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they write down okay life liberty and the pursuit of sex with anyone you want without consequences
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that is that is the the three things that we need to preserve in this shrine of of of rights
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is the right to promiscuity the right to sex with anyone the right to treat sex like a handshake as
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you know one person said but let's let's get into the first bit is a bit on you which i thought was
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really interesting in this article here okay okay so she goes former venture capitalist simone collins
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did attend natal con where she told an npr reporter that she was prepared to die in childbirth
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she also said that she would rather not do that but explain that historically women died in childbirth
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at roughly similar rates to the rates which men died protecting their land and country i have no
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idea if that's true and i doubt the collins does either it's the sort of nonsense a person would say
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to provoke a reporter and the collins are good at that and no and collins is good at that she and her
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husband malcolm have appeared in so many news stories i have lost count of the headlines and each article
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is more unsettling than the last so before we go further some things i like here is one is unlike
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this late article which i really didn't appreciate where they're like why is everybody writing stuff
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about this couple you know they only created a free school system created a religion have a fairly
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popular podcast run a movement you know they're like i i wonder if like as they were writing it they
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were like oh this is why so many people are talking about them you know run multiple companies okay
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okay okay successful ones by the way but this individual she's sort of gone past that where
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she's like i get why everyone is talking about them right like it makes sense and and she also
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had the presence of mind to get that we are intentionally baiting reporters not with false
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information i mean that's a true fact right simone the the women die in war as much like does she not
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think that that's measurable how many women died in childbirth and men died in war historically
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yeah i mean i can i can't remember my original source i'll double check it in case i'm pulling
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this out of nowhere i i look through so many studies she literally could have like just asked
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grok like is this true like you know like we have ai now like i love how there's this like were they
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telling the truth i don't know and i have no curiosity to check and it doesn't even seem like a
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particularly like anti-feminist thing to say you know you're like just pointing out that women made
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sacrifices historically which i thought was really interesting i also love the now because
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simone does like the full dress up and outfit progressive reporters immediately when they run
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into us are like oh oh i get it okay so this is some sort of a troll they're like i can't fall for
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the trap and and and panic about this but like i'm a little bit panicked about this so how do i
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handle that so what are you going to say you got you got something there yes
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and the problem is that it depends on whether the society was at war like if there was a major war
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obviously men conscripted to fight were dying at higher rates and i wish it was giving me the general
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number of lumber because that's what i'd originally found but i can't immediately okay whatever we
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don't care anyway they like musk are concerned about falling birth rates so they have decided to
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have as many babies as they can they use ivf to select the most superior embryos for implantation
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hold on i'll also note here where she's they homeschool their kids they hit their kids they used
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to be atheists but now they've decided underline their techno puritans a metaphysical system of their
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own creation so so i i i love here this like everything is mortifying to her right um a cnn
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video filmed at natal con shows simone in a dress and bonnet like an 18th century quaker but without
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the egalitarian beliefs collins is a troll certainly though it's different later in the in the article
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they were like and they whether they're catholics or techno puritans or anti-gender egalitarian
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and it's like what about our beliefs are not gender egalitarian like we believe males and females
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are like genetically different which okay i mean that's like a theological belief if you don't believe
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that like yeah i mean you're not just dating children so i guess that disqualifies us yeah but but and even
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here they note that only women can get pregnant so like clearly she believes this as well but like other
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than that i i don't think you could be particularly more gender egalitarian than our marriage
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yeah i don't see it i mean also just given the sheer amount of child care that you do
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yeah but i love i love that she doesn't mention in what way we're gender you get in egalitarian right
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yeah she just out of nowhere it seems to be well she does insinuate that we're gender egalitarian because
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i expect you to undergo the the costs and risks associated with reproduction and i'm like i don't
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really oh but you know i'm sure she hates elon musk for suggesting the use of surrogates
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yeah they can have more kids so you can't win collins is a troll certainly though it's difficult
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to tell where the performance stop and the sincerity begins she is pregnant with her fifth child and
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intends to have more which is at a minimum an extreme commitment to the bit when she says she's
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willing to die in pursuit of her brood i tend to believe her but if martyrdom is what she wants
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she's probably going to be disappointed american women do perish in childbirth or directly as a result
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of it yet most have little in common with the collinses who is a well-opped and white like
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many pro natalists i'm too rich to die malcolm they just won't let it happen so what i like about this
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is is is all the time when they like freak out about you talking potentially dying in childbirth like
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they seem to be missing that you are having multiple c-sections which is incredibly dangerous
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like that like there was the other reporter in the guardian who insinuated that when you said well
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they might take my my uterus one way that they was like in scare quotes men in black or something
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men in black or progressives when you were talking about surgeons because this happens if you have too
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many c-sections it can cause serious risk so that was really fascinating to me but i also love the
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the recognition that you were and your life is a troll but the lack of recognition that like it's
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also real like can you talk about that because there isn't a place where the sincerity ends it's all
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sincere and all a troll just like that cover of man's world where it was anime girls and trump having
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missiles come out of his mouth and then like an anime style or that anime little video of like trump and
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the studio ghibli inspired yeah video like it's gone around twitter the issue is that it seems many
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progressives don't understand that there's this new trend of very earnest irony or ironic earnestness
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where like we are self-aware of how ridiculously we we come across and we own it and we have fun with it
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but we still 100 percent mean what we're doing and believe in what we're saying and like the way we're
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dressing or looking and there's this thought that if we if we recognize how ridiculous we look to some
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people we couldn't possibly actually take that seriously that a joke can't also be true when
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actually the the root of humor things are funny because they're surprising but they make sense there's
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truth to all humor and that they don't get that is really odd but there is this repeated pattern
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we've noticed in media about not just things that we say but things that other prenatalists have said
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especially if they're trolling progressives that we couldn't possibly be both joking and earnest at
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the same time when that is absolutely 100 what is going on yeah well but i i think that that is
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sort of we did an episode recently on the aesthetics of the new right was raw egg nationalist and i think
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that that is sort of the core of the aesthetics of the new right where you you sort of live your life
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performatively as a troll like because to be a troll is to thumb your nose at the dominant cultural group
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you know like we we are just living the ways that we want out and proud and they're they're gnashing
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their teeth at us in anger because they can tell that we are happy with who we are we are happy
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with this whole thing we're doing you are happy having lots of kids we are happy to raise them
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like anyone i think she thinks like the techno puritan thing is a troll and like anyone who is
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actually engaged with like the the the the tracked series or especially like the more recent ones where
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we get way into like biblical analysis i'm so excited for the one i have coming up it's so big it's so long
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but it's just like four hours of biblical analysis and she would they people will see that and they'll
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be like no like they really believe this stuff like they're really really serious about this
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and i guess it's like it allows you to engage in all of this with even more earnesty because you know
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that you know we're not afraid of that judgment anyway now we're gonna do it regardless of what other
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people say yeah so if i go here in 1994 the clinton administration had developed a health care
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reform package that left out as much as it covered as time would later report the legislation offered
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quote little focus on health services like pre and postnatal care fibroid screenings and sti tests
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which eliminated this vision of reproductive quote-unquote choice in response a group of black women
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gathered in chicago hotel room and decided to respond calling themselves women of african descent
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for reproductive justice they took out full page ads in the washington post and roll call magazine
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outlining their political demands reproductive freedom is a life and death issue for many black
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women and deserves as much recognition as any other freedom they were now where i really have trouble
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with this paragraph is she makes it seem like this clinton era policy thing only affects black women
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black women instead of all women who would want maybe some of these services so she's painting this
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really skewed perception of reality and then she's also i think misrepresenting what this group may have
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been advocating for if what they're talking about is reproductive choice they're talking about birth
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control and abortions when she frames it a little bit differently like well they just want to be checked for
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fibroids which is weird so i i feel like i'm being misled or led to and it makes me very uncomfortable
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i want to hear her out but she's already losing me or or here roberts proposed a broader understanding
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of reproductive freedom which did not quote reject abortion rights in favor of a right to procreate
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end quote but rather saw quote the right to terminate a pregnancy as one part of a broader right to autonomy
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over one's body and one's reproductive decision makings in quote do you have reproductive freedom
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if you can birth a child but not house them like what's really interesting here is yeah like what
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what is so hold on what's fascinating to me here right is this is almost certainly somebody who would
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be apoplectic about us choosing you know using ipg to choose among our embryos based on genetics right
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but she is meanwhile completely about quote-unquote reproductive freedom which to her has nothing to do with
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the ability to reproduce but the ability to choose to abort and or have a child while also having
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your house totally paid for or something yeah well you know but she says if there's raw sewage in your
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yard and no one in power will do anything about it are you free are your kids free is she here
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comparing the the fetus to raw sewage no i think she's saying how can we have reproductive justice
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if city infrastructure doesn't work which is ironic because that's one of the things we constantly
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point out it's going to fall apart when demographic collapse plays out but let's not go too deep on
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that i guess i love this i understand why right-wing pernatalists don't talk about reproductive justice
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what yeah why don't we talk all the time about abortion why why might that not be like our main
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talking point they're invested in race and gender hierarchy not liberation and that's true whether
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they're tradcasts or techno puritans this isn't a novel development either actually we do talk a lot
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about abortion we do and specifically how this is not an issue that should be talked about in the name
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of pernatalism because messing with abortion doesn't help but i mean we are more restrictive
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on abortion in our perspectives in the mainstream society like the not really no actually i mean
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than the laws in the mainstream society the average american would likely agree with us that
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we do need to be much more restrictive on abortion yeah but the laws in america are like shockingly
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light on abortion in most states yeah there's multiple states i think it's multiple states i know
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it's at least one because i checked when i heard this i was like this can't be true where abortion is
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legal until like the day you give birth which is absolutely wild there is in in i think almost all of
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the united states there is a medical practice where they're doing a certain i think it's like
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after trimester one surgery on the baby they'll give it anesthetics if they are trying to save its
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life but if they plan to abort it they won't give it anesthetics which is just like mortifying because
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it shows the doctor bothers me the most recognize that this is so like okay i think that there's a
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conversation to be had on abortion i don't see what it has to do with with pronatalism or like from
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her position this problem that social safety nets are about to collapse you know as i said to somebody
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in my class because they were yelling at me about this recently from the stanford business school
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so funny how like people who say they care about social safety nets are like buddy buddy with like
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a party that like wants to defund them and i'm like no they want to make them funding lighter so that
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they last longer it's really funny to me that you progressives who claim to care about social
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safety nets don't care that mathematically they're going to break down if we don't do something about
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this like which one of us has the crazier position here right you know or you claim i said the same
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when you claim to care about latin americans but you don't care that they're below us in fertility
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rates in a lot of these countries and we are taking them during their productive years and letting
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these countries expend the tax dollars to train them during their unproductive years
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like is that not going to collapse these countries economies like are you being fair here like in so
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many instances it's like they're not but i want to get back to the central question i asked originally
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should sex be a human right like like does it fall into like what are the the human rights that
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somebody should have the ability to pursue within the united states or we should like what are your
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thoughts on this i think the government shouldn't have to pay for anyone's hobbies and i i consider
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sex to be a hobby so i think people should have the right to pursue hobbies that don't hurt them or cause
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you know like hurt the the local like shared environment right like if one of your causes is
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detonating nuclear explosives that clearly like if that's a hobby no that's not okay because it's
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going to hurt people in the area if one of your hobbies is graping people then no that's not okay
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but you know otherwise it's fine but the government shouldn't have to pay for it which is why i was
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really alarmed when you went through all the data about prep and how much money is being paid like i
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appreciate the fact that like it's it's reducing disease spread but at the same time
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that's a hobby so for clarification we should give people some background on prep so prep is a drug
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that prevents you from getting aids if you have sex with somebody with aids now we should note here
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that the drugs that suppress aids are so good now that if you have a like a monogamous partner who has
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aids this drug isn't relevant to you because you would know and you would trust that they're on one of the
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drugs that suppresses aids and as you know if you if you read you know stuff on this the risk of
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transmission is negligible and i don't even think you'd be recommended to take prep just because
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you know if your partner is it's called like showing zero or something it means your your test
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is showing i can't remember yeah but but but so this is not for monogamous gay people or monogamous
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straight people or even gay or straight people who are having sex with a small collection of partners
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that they know and trust right this is for people having sex with people who you don't know about
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like like casual sex so obamacare made it so that every insurance plan had to cover this and a number
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of states cover it for free i think it's like 12 states in the united states cover it for free
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and it's like when that money can go to like a child with cancer or something like that like
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why on earth is it going to literally the only use case is orgies and you could say well the
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externality of disease spread is bad and it's like i get that but like we shouldn't be financing this
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right like maybe if you know you you and that's that's where i get this like an orgy is a hundred
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percent like not necessary for a person's life like lots of people go through their entire lives
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without orgies or sleeping with with random people like that's not okay yeah no i will know you know
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if if you are having sex with somebody you know outside of prep right you know you know a lot of
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contraceptives like are not as is a hundred percent as people think they are yeah and if you are having
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sex a lot you can get somebody else pregnant you know and this is an expensive externality to a hobby
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that you have if you assume that like the way to deal with that is abortion i do not think
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that is a great thing to do but i'm just saying like even if i was a person who like had absolutely
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no problem with like recreational sex and then abortion as the because when i was younger you know
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i i felt that way i i don't think that it is the state's responsibility to pay for that hobby
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just because the hobby can have big small negative expensive externalities you know like if somebody
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has a hobby around like hiking in nature and they get lost they often have to pay for the rescue effort you
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know like i don't think that that should go to the taxpayer yeah yeah it's it's kind of disturbing
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when it does the other thing that strikes me about this is just how reminiscent it seems the implied
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ideal world of many progressives is the dystopia of brave new world they just don't want to admit it
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okay explain what you mean by this because a lot of people don't know that dystopia yeah and before
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you get to that hold on hold on before you get to that i want to read the tweet that we mentioned in
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the prep episode that like started all the discussion around okay go ahead that was by
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plant mommy posadist realizing that sex doesn't have to be this sacred all-important thing and can
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instead just be an expression of affection between friends who are dear to one another is honestly the
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most life-changing realization for me surpassed only by realizing i'm a girl and then somebody was like
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aren't we in an aids epidemic or something you all seriously tripping and they responded i literally took
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pills every day so i can't contract hiv so there are people of people like the reason i wanted to
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read that if people are like nobody thinks of sex as something as like insignificant as a handshake
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yes there literally are people who think that continue simon no it was the brave new world thing
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no but that's that is that is kind of the attitude that they want in brave new world so one of the
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in in eldest huxley's brave new world which is this sci-fi book written in the 1930s of this
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futuristic dystopia that's surprisingly like today and or our near future it is a very sexually free
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world they have all these these sayings they're supposed to repeat and they've sort of been
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brainwashed with and one of them is everyone belongs to everyone else and it's a mantra
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that reminds everyone that you should never get in an exclusive relationship and one character who's
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kind of leaning towards that is is like strongly dissuaded from doing so because it would really
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hurt her reputation they're also like really here's just another quote that like makes me think of
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today oh like has been napping he doesn't want to wake up but whatever here's another quote from the
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book that sort of shows how they view relationships quote he let out the amazing truth for a very long
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period before the time of r ford which is like their god i think you know they're trying to sort of
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say industrialization was the thing that changed everything and even for some generations afterwards
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erotic play between children had been regarded as abnormal there was a roar of laughter and not only
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abnormal but actually immoral no and had therefore been rigorously suppressed in most cases till they
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were over 20 years old the results were terrible which is just like erotic play between children had
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been considered abnormal hello so they're literally like pushing for maps and everything in this they're
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they're like yeah i had no idea and then another another quote from the book no wonder those poor
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pre-moderns were mad and wicked and miserable their world didn't allow them to take things easily
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didn't allow them to be sane virtuous happy what with mothers and lovers what with the prohibition
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what with the prohibitions they were not conditioned to obey what with the temptations and lonely
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remorses what with all the diseases and endless isolating pain what with the uncertainties and
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poverty they were forced to feel strongly and feel strongly and strongly was what more in solitude
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hopelessly individual isolation how could they be stable because this was like an this is an age in
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which people are heavily drugged constantly switching partners they also have basically the existence of
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like sex vr experiences like that's a huge source of entertainment they're called the feelies where
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you like it's like going to the movies but instead you get to feel everything oh gosh i have to find a
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quote about that because it's oh yeah here's a quote about like that part of their okay okay
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when the assistant predestinator henry foster saying quote going to the feelies this evening henry
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i hear the new one at the alhambra's first rate there's a love scene on a bear skin rug they say
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it's marvelous every hair of the bear reproduced the most amazing tactical effects so wait there's a
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bear wait having sex with a bear no no no on a bear skin rug so it's it's like it's it's a movie with
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an erotic scene in which there's sex on a bear skin rug and you feel everything it's it's like wearing
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a haptic suit but this is the 1930s like i never understood this like group sex thing like the
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idea of going to like a movie theater where multiple people are at the same time like watching
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a pornography the thing that like peewee herman got in trouble for like how who is that how
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desirable like that or or going in a highly communal society people wouldn't see it as weird
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but yeah it's the the society of brave new world is one in which there's basically polyamory
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vr sex underage sex it's their ideal world and i mean there there are parts of that i really like
00:28:26.620
they would hate obviously the selective breeding the striated society there's some other elements of this
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this dystopia that they would absolutely love and every time i hear about like the the sexual ideals
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of like everything is paid for and you have sex with whoever you want to and sex is like a handshake
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i just think of brave new world which is very different somebody needs to write a dystopia about
00:28:51.300
our feud well i'm writing it it's the game i'm making yeah where i have our faction be one of the
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particularly dystopian factions exactly you're doing it they've they've bred individuals within
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their faction to have no the technically to have no arousal patterns anymore and no pleasure from
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anything other than like accomplishments and exploration yeah you know instead of instead of
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just like spamming all that other stuff just be like hey just remove it right like live a life
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dedicated to you know improvement a very brave new world just just removing the temptation you
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won't feel it anymore why would you but well i mean it's it's the way i have it work was the
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faction to make them be sort of like evil because i don't want a faction that's like representative of
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midas and it's to not be evil right like i i want it to be interesting right so they
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the the pathways that are used for arousal appear to have been sort of co-opted by the systems that
00:29:54.680
are associated with accomplishments like overcoming particular challenges which means that you know
00:30:02.360
one of the big challenges that a person would face like on rumspringer or something like this
00:30:06.060
is a conflict with a particularly challenging foe you have to defeat or kill or something like that
00:30:11.200
and so they're they they don't seem to recognize that the sexual impulse has sublimated the kill
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strong thing impulse because they're they're too proud to recognize that that that's what's happened
00:30:25.900
and it's just the previous emotion there and so they're all like pretty psychotic like they're very
00:30:33.400
cold and they don't like to show that they get emotion from anything but they they really like you
00:30:38.860
trying to hunt anything they see the particularly challenging foe or prey which which makes them
00:30:45.080
you know psychotically bloodthirsty in the minds of of other people in the world which which i like
00:30:50.860
because i don't i don't want my side to be the good guys i want them to be sort of psychos i think
00:30:55.480
that that's way more fun than than making my guys the utopia we're making them the dystopia
00:31:02.120
yeah well back to this article what i think was so interesting about it to me was that
00:31:08.580
she it isn't like muddled first she's like well how could women not just receive support for
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fibroids and prenatal care and postnatal care but then also like why aren't they receiving free housing
00:31:22.160
and why isn't the infrastructure of their cities perfect and and reproductive justice is what this
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is all about but reproductive justice and choice is really mostly about birth control and abortions
00:31:34.440
but she's also like no reproductive choices is about free housing and that's where i'm like so
00:31:39.220
confused and i feel like what's going on is she's she's trying to use one argument that's very popular
00:31:47.520
among liberals like how a lot of people who are progressive say like oh you know actually how a lot
00:31:52.880
of people in the prenatalist movement who for example might be like a marxist or like it's all about
00:31:57.380
pronatalism which is why everyone needs to have free social like everything but really all they
00:32:03.480
really care about is is marxism right and and i think what's going on here is she's trying to use
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reproductive justice and choice which is just an obvious yes if you're a progressive to argue in
00:32:15.820
favor of again marxism it's like this this horseshoe that we see both among pronatalists and
00:32:20.900
anti-natalists or or anti-pronatalists of like why aren't we why aren't we giving people endless
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services which brings us back to the entire argument around demographic collapse which is
00:32:37.600
we can't do that if there's no one to pay for it
00:32:40.760
hey i'm gonna get you toys we'll get the the wealthiest to pay for all these ai billionaires
00:32:48.200
all the all the tech all the tech lords it's like well they're gonna leave yeah like that's a lovely
00:32:54.620
idea and i'm sure see the thing is like i feel like there was an era like the era of of dale carnegie
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where the the robber barons of the gilded age absolutely did that and they were rewarded for it and
00:33:09.480
they were they were they were respected in society but they did bill gates tried to do it and mark
00:33:15.460
zuckerberg tried to do it and to a certain extent elon musk tried to do it yeah and they've all been
00:33:20.440
defenestrated and they're all seen as evil and they're all seen as the problem and i think at this
00:33:25.420
point it's like well i tried i'm not going to do this anymore because no matter what i do and no matter
00:33:31.760
how much i give no matter no matter how much i'm taxed you're gonna hate me you're gonna try to take
00:33:36.840
more and i'm done i'm done i'm done so well and you know what i think realized is that the progressives
00:33:43.120
are totally unappreciative the conservatives not and this is the thing like when you're nice to
00:33:48.940
conservatives they are nice back and i think that like when elon you know he probably started going
00:33:54.200
to like trump rallies not realizing this at first and he's like but wait wait wait they like genuinely
00:33:58.920
love me like unironically like i might have some beliefs that they disagree with but they still think
00:34:05.240
i'm great because i'm trying to help and i think that if mark zuckerberg just come to one of the
00:34:10.520
rallies just come you know you when you say positive things about trump you get love from us
00:34:15.460
like the progressives don't give you love when you say positive things about you know their side
00:34:19.340
right when you're like oh whatever start banning them a little more start you know you can you can
00:34:25.500
you can rig the platform in our favor and then you know i say i'm against regulation but i wouldn't
00:34:31.200
mind a little bit more on the you know the maybe when they say that we need to eradicate the jews you
00:34:37.940
can you can handle that because that's happening a lot on a lot of lefty platforms now i love i love
00:34:44.780
how they've like gone full anti-semitic and they're still going with the nazi thing still haven't figured
00:34:49.680
out the lack of continuity there but okay i mean i think the the thing is if you just keep
00:34:59.080
trying to pull it off and really believing it then you know they'll they'll just keep doing it
00:35:09.720
like no homo but no anti-semitism but the jews needs to die i mean it's it's not an anti-semitism
00:35:19.300
but like of course i love jews yeah of course i love jews but like just the the most of them
00:35:30.440
just i mean it's just just not the you know not the the blood libel evil jews who all have to die
00:35:39.540
they are no it is it is weird how like ideology just makes so little sense when you try to like
00:35:50.860
construct it more anyway i love you to decimone this conversation has been fun uh we initially
00:35:58.100
like went away from like the rant conversations where we just have like a few like a broad concept
00:36:02.540
that we're going to talk about but you guys seem to love the rants so that's what we're here for
00:36:06.840
well yeah always give us feedback and ideas some of you by the way send us really great ideas
00:36:13.440
thematic to some quotes from today's discussion not aldous huxley on x shout out to you dude for
00:36:20.720
sending us always interesting links and so yeah everyone else feel free to do it too
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yep i love you to decimone love you too malcolm
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also just this idea that readers would find it insulting that a man should choose to not
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reach out to a woman on a dating platform because doing so would require a donation to the trevor
00:36:46.500
sorry you cut on i mean what did you say that readers would find what insulting
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insulting i find it entertaining that readers would be insulted by the idea that a man should be
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unlikely to pay money to the trevor project in order to speak to a woman
00:37:04.540
like if you're not politically aligned right but he didn't like that like somebody would be against
00:37:11.820
an organization that in his mind only exists to help gays who are thinking about suicide
00:37:18.060
which of course is not why a lot of people don't support the trevor project like i didn't want to go on a
00:37:24.140
big rant about why the trevor project is so evil because you know that's that's a battle that i
00:37:29.740
don't fight that's why i kept redirecting everything sorry there was a chat thread with
00:37:33.980
my stanford graduate school business class and they were all trashing us because we were what front
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page of the new york times today and it was called women of you were mentioned in the new york times
00:37:44.040
yeah i don't know where it was in the newspaper and then amanda bradford one of our friends who
00:37:48.740
was at the conference i guess we can say it now because she must have given them permission to
00:37:51.200
publish that uh was one of the people who's speaking she founded the league the dating app
00:37:55.480
she's in my class she's a really cool person um and she was helping people date there and and so
00:38:01.280
i had to respond typically i like don't get into these big chats but if somebody is attacking like
00:38:05.440
somebody who stood up for me and being like oh you're you're a racist or you're a nazi or whatever
00:38:09.700
in any way so very do you want to explain to them how the app would work it was a really cool idea for
00:38:13.960
an app yeah the the idea that came out during this brainstorming session that amanda bradford led
00:38:19.400
at natal con was that to reduce the extent to which female participants on this online dating platform
00:38:28.700
were spammed by male prospectors you were expected as a man to make at least a small donation
00:38:36.980
to the non-profit of a woman's choice in order to send her a message so it's similar to ashley
00:38:43.720
madison where i think men have to pay per woman contacted however it one is isn't a like hookup
00:38:51.300
for married men site and two it's it's to charity so this is for good and it's great because you can
00:38:56.840
also learn something about the woman's values you can feel good about having donated to a cause that
00:39:02.900
you support even if the woman didn't get back to you you know it's not just like throwing
00:39:06.800
money into a gaping hole of a corporation and three you know instantly if someone is really likely to
00:39:15.200
be politically misaligned with you which matters these days so it really helps it's it's a very
00:39:20.160
functional very good feature and yet that's being used to defenestrate amanda bradford and
00:39:26.540
natal con in general which is just so you know how big i am when somebody sticks their neck out for me
00:39:32.160
and then they get attacked for it i like that's the one time when i yeah actually i just don't
00:39:37.720
nope nope i'm not having that you know if you're defending me you you you get my full backing after
00:39:44.320
that yeah which is appropriate yeah all right i'm gonna start this
00:39:49.960
but i think it gets me all like all the adrenaline from having your whole class like jump on you
00:39:57.040
like oh you naughty yeah even the person giving you the shout out being like oh i made a mistake
00:40:04.320
that's just i don't know i think it feels really crappy feels really crappy for people to not give you
00:40:12.360
even a modicum of i'm not we're not asking people to give you the benefit of the doubt but
00:40:19.220
like maybe read the article maybe actually understand the points that you're making instead of just
00:40:24.160
assuming like some kind of pod person that you are a bad person i love one guy with like oh it's
00:40:33.020
really it's really suspicious that all these people who say that the social safety nets are
00:40:39.140
going to start collapsing due to fertility collapse that they hang out with all these parties that want
00:40:44.420
to defund social safety nets and then i'm like huh you know it's equally suspicious that all these people
00:40:49.280
who say they love social safety nets don't seem to care that they're about to collapse like is this
00:40:53.980
whole thing performative you know i mean anyway i'll jump into this
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i'm gonna keep it correct because you proud my steve two times mommy
00:41:12.280
what are you doing i said torsten i just wrote my honesty two times that i'm holding anything so i'm keeping this lock