Based Camp - Leftists Argues Pronatalists Should Sterilize Black Women？？？

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to talk to you today every now and then an article comes out and it's

00:00:06.100 never the big ones like there was a new york times article on us where you have a big picture

00:00:09.640 of you on the front of it i loved it you looked beautiful there's the women of pronatalism and i

00:00:14.100 didn't care because it was kind of a boring article to me but then it's the deranged articles

00:00:18.080 i really like oh yeah and and one of the articles uh from the intelligencer basically argued that

00:00:26.100 and and we'll go over it because it's really fascinating it was like well what we should

00:00:30.220 really be talking about isn't pronatalism but what was the word that they used reproductive justice

00:00:37.080 okay so what they meant by this is that pronatalism should have had a lot more talk about sterilizing

00:00:44.760 black women i'm sorry the government sterilizing black women and then it wouldn't be as racially 0.90

00:00:51.680 problematic and i'm like and hold on hold on no sorry you might be thinking here that pronatalists 0.96

00:00:56.860 should talk about the government not sterilizing black like that we should be no no no they think 0.89

00:01:01.420 that pronatalism needs to have more talk in it in support of the government sterilizing black women 0.79

00:01:07.980 this is their progressive position and these are the conversations that are missing now she couches it

00:01:14.640 in what we can go into the language if you want to but it's still deeply disturbing to me that

00:01:20.720 yeah she was she's like look black women have historically had access to the ability to abort 1.00

00:01:27.560 their child as easily as white women have and that should be what we're focusing the pronatalist 1.00

00:01:32.760 conversation around and they haven't had access to birth control and other means of sterilizing

00:01:37.840 themselves at the rate white women had and that is the one thing we should be talking about in 0.59

00:01:43.700 fertility rates now if you're here thinking wait is that true that doesn't sound true it's not true

00:01:49.520 actually while black people only make up 14.4 of the u.s population 38 of abortions are performed

00:01:57.280 on black women they make up the vast majority of abortions and if you look at planned parenthood 0.98

00:02:02.160 clinics i think it's something like 89 of them are in a minority majority neighborhood they were 0.89

00:02:08.100 originally set up famously even by their own website to sterilize black women as part of a eugenics

00:02:14.580 program and they still function in that capacity and there is almost no organization that i think

00:02:21.940 you should be more in support of than planned parenthood if you are an actual racist or a

00:02:27.220 eugenicist to be fair she also you know talks about the the fact that they also want prenatal care

00:02:33.640 postnatal care fibroid screenings while also sti tests so that just has to do with you know

00:02:39.640 having to continue having sex but basically she's just like why aren't we giving free health care 0.94

00:02:48.240 to people of color and i don't see how that has to do with anything and that's not why she well she

00:02:56.720 opens with that but then she proceeds to just make it an argument about reproductive choice and then how 0.82

00:03:03.520 roe versus wade makes this a bigger issue than ever so what's clear from her ultimate emphasis even

00:03:10.540 though she starts with this sort of vague allusion to wanting universal health care at least for black

00:03:16.500 women is that this is really an issue about abortions and that's where it's it gets my goat a little bit 1.00

00:03:24.120 like wait a second is that that's what's missing from your view this is it was weird and meandering

00:03:32.380 but but i will say that that if you go through and we'll get to this when we get to the piece

00:03:37.400 because i want to read some excerpts from it because it's actually a very interesting piece

00:03:40.800 and i quite liked it like it's one of these pieces where it's critical of us but i like that it comes

00:03:44.720 out because of some of the things that are in it which we'll get to in a second not just from a humor

00:03:49.020 standpoint but a oh we've broken through one of the progressive walls we're getting closer to getting

00:03:54.220 through all of the progressive walls right they have they have seen something that historically they

00:03:58.880 didn't see before right and and all of the things that she said we needed to give black women were 1.00

00:04:04.720 like only relevant if they were like sexually promiscuous and it made me realize that this is 0.97

00:04:11.880 a person who believes that sex is a human well i mean to be fair either sexually promiscuous or

00:04:18.780 having babies but then why not this for for all women well or or like regularly being graped or 0.94

00:04:25.320 something in their community it's it's it's like this there's these people out there we went over

00:04:29.420 this in our prepped episode which we'll review a bit in this one good episode you should check it 0.93

00:04:32.780 out if you want this one that blew my mind yeah the government has us funding gay orgies but anyway

00:04:37.120 it's like these people think like the founding fathers are like writing down our our rights and 0.99

00:04:41.640 they write down okay life liberty and the pursuit of sex with anyone you want without consequences

00:04:49.060 that is that is the the three things that we need to preserve in this shrine of of of rights

00:04:55.280 is the right to promiscuity the right to sex with anyone the right to treat sex like a handshake as

00:05:02.480 you know one person said but let's let's get into the first bit is a bit on you which i thought was

00:05:08.200 really interesting in this article here okay okay so she goes former venture capitalist simone collins

00:05:13.880 did attend natal con where she told an npr reporter that she was prepared to die in childbirth

00:05:18.640 she also said that she would rather not do that but explain that historically women died in childbirth

00:05:24.280 at roughly similar rates to the rates which men died protecting their land and country i have no

00:05:29.840 idea if that's true and i doubt the collins does either it's the sort of nonsense a person would say

00:05:36.300 to provoke a reporter and the collins are good at that and no and collins is good at that she and her 1.00

00:05:42.440 husband malcolm have appeared in so many news stories i have lost count of the headlines and each article

00:05:47.880 is more unsettling than the last so before we go further some things i like here is one is unlike

00:05:53.680 this late article which i really didn't appreciate where they're like why is everybody writing stuff

00:05:57.360 about this couple you know they only created a free school system created a religion have a fairly

00:06:03.280 popular podcast run a movement you know they're like i i wonder if like as they were writing it they

00:06:08.400 were like oh this is why so many people are talking about them you know run multiple companies okay

00:06:12.640 okay okay successful ones by the way but this individual she's sort of gone past that where

00:06:19.120 she's like i get why everyone is talking about them right like it makes sense and and she also

00:06:24.480 had the presence of mind to get that we are intentionally baiting reporters not with false

00:06:30.980 information i mean that's a true fact right simone the the women die in war as much like does she not 0.98

00:06:36.080 think that that's measurable how many women died in childbirth and men died in war historically

00:06:39.400 yeah i mean i can i can't remember my original source i'll double check it in case i'm pulling

00:06:45.520 this out of nowhere i i look through so many studies she literally could have like just asked

00:06:49.440 grok like is this true like you know like we have ai now like i love how there's this like were they

00:06:55.140 telling the truth i don't know and i have no curiosity to check and it doesn't even seem like a

00:07:00.220 particularly like anti-feminist thing to say you know you're like just pointing out that women made 1.00

00:07:04.780 sacrifices historically which i thought was really interesting i also love the now because

00:07:10.460 simone does like the full dress up and outfit progressive reporters immediately when they run 1.00

00:07:14.800 into us are like oh oh i get it okay so this is some sort of a troll they're like i can't fall for

00:07:20.680 the trap and and and panic about this but like i'm a little bit panicked about this so how do i

00:07:27.400 handle that so what are you going to say you got you got something there yes

00:07:31.480 hold on it's still loading though

00:07:36.280 and the problem is that it depends on whether the society was at war like if there was a major war

00:07:49.380 obviously men conscripted to fight were dying at higher rates and i wish it was giving me the general

00:07:54.260 number of lumber because that's what i'd originally found but i can't immediately okay whatever we

00:07:58.320 don't care anyway they like musk are concerned about falling birth rates so they have decided to 1.00

00:08:03.340 have as many babies as they can they use ivf to select the most superior embryos for implantation

00:08:09.080 hold on i'll also note here where she's they homeschool their kids they hit their kids they used

00:08:15.400 to be atheists but now they've decided underline their techno puritans a metaphysical system of their

00:08:22.940 own creation so so i i i love here this like everything is mortifying to her right um a cnn

00:08:32.060 video filmed at natal con shows simone in a dress and bonnet like an 18th century quaker but without

00:08:37.400 the egalitarian beliefs collins is a troll certainly though it's different later in the in the article

00:08:43.740 they were like and they whether they're catholics or techno puritans or anti-gender egalitarian

00:08:48.820 and it's like what about our beliefs are not gender egalitarian like we believe males and females

00:08:54.200 are like genetically different which okay i mean that's like a theological belief if you don't believe

00:08:59.020 that like yeah i mean you're not just dating children so i guess that disqualifies us yeah but but and even

00:09:05.400 here they note that only women can get pregnant so like clearly she believes this as well but like other 0.96

00:09:09.940 than that i i don't think you could be particularly more gender egalitarian than our marriage

00:09:14.420 yeah i don't see it i mean also just given the sheer amount of child care that you do

00:09:20.420 yeah but i love i love that she doesn't mention in what way we're gender you get in egalitarian right

00:09:26.100 yeah she just out of nowhere it seems to be well she does insinuate that we're gender egalitarian because 1.00

00:09:31.800 i expect you to undergo the the costs and risks associated with reproduction and i'm like i don't

00:09:38.500 really oh but you know i'm sure she hates elon musk for suggesting the use of surrogates 0.97

00:09:43.080 yeah they can have more kids so you can't win collins is a troll certainly though it's difficult

00:09:49.540 to tell where the performance stop and the sincerity begins she is pregnant with her fifth child and

00:09:54.740 intends to have more which is at a minimum an extreme commitment to the bit when she says she's

00:10:00.400 willing to die in pursuit of her brood i tend to believe her but if martyrdom is what she wants

00:10:05.120 she's probably going to be disappointed american women do perish in childbirth or directly as a result 1.00

00:10:11.000 of it yet most have little in common with the collinses who is a well-opped and white like

00:10:16.260 many pro natalists i'm too rich to die malcolm they just won't let it happen so what i like about this

00:10:22.740 is is is all the time when they like freak out about you talking potentially dying in childbirth like

00:10:27.200 they seem to be missing that you are having multiple c-sections which is incredibly dangerous

00:10:32.460 like that like there was the other reporter in the guardian who insinuated that when you said well

00:10:39.260 they might take my my uterus one way that they was like in scare quotes men in black or something

00:10:44.460 men in black or progressives when you were talking about surgeons because this happens if you have too

00:10:49.500 many c-sections it can cause serious risk so that was really fascinating to me but i also love the

00:10:55.100 the recognition that you were and your life is a troll but the lack of recognition that like it's

00:11:04.840 also real like can you talk about that because there isn't a place where the sincerity ends it's all

00:11:11.520 sincere and all a troll just like that cover of man's world where it was anime girls and trump having 0.62

00:11:18.220 missiles come out of his mouth and then like an anime style or that anime little video of like trump and

00:11:23.520 the studio ghibli inspired yeah video like it's gone around twitter the issue is that it seems many

00:11:31.240 progressives don't understand that there's this new trend of very earnest irony or ironic earnestness

00:11:40.400 where like we are self-aware of how ridiculously we we come across and we own it and we have fun with it

00:11:49.600 but we still 100 percent mean what we're doing and believe in what we're saying and like the way we're

00:11:56.780 dressing or looking and there's this thought that if we if we recognize how ridiculous we look to some

00:12:03.040 people we couldn't possibly actually take that seriously that a joke can't also be true when

00:12:09.300 actually the the root of humor things are funny because they're surprising but they make sense there's

00:12:15.240 truth to all humor and that they don't get that is really odd but there is this repeated pattern

00:12:22.600 we've noticed in media about not just things that we say but things that other prenatalists have said

00:12:28.580 especially if they're trolling progressives that we couldn't possibly be both joking and earnest at

00:12:36.240 the same time when that is absolutely 100 what is going on yeah well but i i think that that is

00:12:43.580 sort of we did an episode recently on the aesthetics of the new right was raw egg nationalist and i think

00:12:49.340 that that is sort of the core of the aesthetics of the new right where you you sort of live your life

00:12:55.600 performatively as a troll like because to be a troll is to thumb your nose at the dominant cultural group

00:13:02.420 you know like we we are just living the ways that we want out and proud and they're they're gnashing

00:13:11.320 their teeth at us in anger because they can tell that we are happy with who we are we are happy

00:13:17.380 with this whole thing we're doing you are happy having lots of kids we are happy to raise them

00:13:22.040 like anyone i think she thinks like the techno puritan thing is a troll and like anyone who is

00:13:25.860 actually engaged with like the the the the tracked series or especially like the more recent ones where

00:13:31.020 we get way into like biblical analysis i'm so excited for the one i have coming up it's so big it's so long

00:13:36.080 but it's just like four hours of biblical analysis and she would they people will see that and they'll

00:13:42.140 be like no like they really believe this stuff like they're really really serious about this

00:13:47.860 and i guess it's like it allows you to engage in all of this with even more earnesty because you know

00:13:56.400 that you know we're not afraid of that judgment anyway now we're gonna do it regardless of what other

00:14:02.380 people say yeah so if i go here in 1994 the clinton administration had developed a health care

00:14:08.900 reform package that left out as much as it covered as time would later report the legislation offered

00:14:14.820 quote little focus on health services like pre and postnatal care fibroid screenings and sti tests

00:14:20.700 which eliminated this vision of reproductive quote-unquote choice in response a group of black women 1.00

00:14:25.560 gathered in chicago hotel room and decided to respond calling themselves women of african descent

00:14:30.620 for reproductive justice they took out full page ads in the washington post and roll call magazine

00:14:35.740 outlining their political demands reproductive freedom is a life and death issue for many black

00:14:41.000 women and deserves as much recognition as any other freedom they were now where i really have trouble 0.98

00:14:47.440 with this paragraph is she makes it seem like this clinton era policy thing only affects black women 1.00

00:14:55.280 black women instead of all women who would want maybe some of these services so she's painting this

00:15:02.900 really skewed perception of reality and then she's also i think misrepresenting what this group may have

00:15:10.480 been advocating for if what they're talking about is reproductive choice they're talking about birth

00:15:15.900 control and abortions when she frames it a little bit differently like well they just want to be checked for 1.00

00:15:20.780 fibroids which is weird so i i feel like i'm being misled or led to and it makes me very uncomfortable

00:15:29.040 i want to hear her out but she's already losing me or or here roberts proposed a broader understanding

00:15:36.360 of reproductive freedom which did not quote reject abortion rights in favor of a right to procreate

00:15:41.680 end quote but rather saw quote the right to terminate a pregnancy as one part of a broader right to autonomy

00:15:47.920 over one's body and one's reproductive decision makings in quote do you have reproductive freedom

00:15:53.980 if you can birth a child but not house them like what's really interesting here is yeah like what

00:15:59.280 what is so hold on what's fascinating to me here right is this is almost certainly somebody who would

00:16:06.260 be apoplectic about us choosing you know using ipg to choose among our embryos based on genetics right

00:16:11.160 but she is meanwhile completely about quote-unquote reproductive freedom which to her has nothing to do with 0.96

00:16:17.620 the ability to reproduce but the ability to choose to abort and or have a child while also having

00:16:25.220 your house totally paid for or something yeah well you know but she says if there's raw sewage in your 0.85

00:16:32.780 yard and no one in power will do anything about it are you free are your kids free is she here

00:16:38.100 comparing the the fetus to raw sewage no i think she's saying how can we have reproductive justice 1.00

00:16:46.040 if city infrastructure doesn't work which is ironic because that's one of the things we constantly

00:16:52.520 point out it's going to fall apart when demographic collapse plays out but let's not go too deep on

00:16:56.740 that i guess i love this i understand why right-wing pernatalists don't talk about reproductive justice

00:17:02.520 what yeah why don't we talk all the time about abortion why why might that not be like our main

00:17:07.380 talking point they're invested in race and gender hierarchy not liberation and that's true whether

00:17:13.680 they're tradcasts or techno puritans this isn't a novel development either actually we do talk a lot

00:17:20.220 about abortion we do and specifically how this is not an issue that should be talked about in the name

00:17:26.680 of pernatalism because messing with abortion doesn't help but i mean we are more restrictive

00:17:32.680 on abortion in our perspectives in the mainstream society like the not really no actually i mean

00:17:39.700 than the laws in the mainstream society the average american would likely agree with us that

00:17:44.280 we do need to be much more restrictive on abortion yeah but the laws in america are like shockingly

00:17:49.860 light on abortion in most states yeah there's multiple states i think it's multiple states i know

00:17:54.800 it's at least one because i checked when i heard this i was like this can't be true where abortion is

00:17:58.340 legal until like the day you give birth which is absolutely wild there is in in i think almost all of

00:18:06.280 the united states there is a medical practice where they're doing a certain i think it's like

00:18:10.780 after trimester one surgery on the baby they'll give it anesthetics if they are trying to save its

00:18:15.680 life but if they plan to abort it they won't give it anesthetics which is just like mortifying because

00:18:20.280 it shows the doctor bothers me the most recognize that this is so like okay i think that there's a

00:18:25.980 conversation to be had on abortion i don't see what it has to do with with pronatalism or like from

00:18:32.740 her position this problem that social safety nets are about to collapse you know as i said to somebody

00:18:38.340 in my class because they were yelling at me about this recently from the stanford business school

00:18:41.820 so funny how like people who say they care about social safety nets are like buddy buddy with like

00:18:48.960 a party that like wants to defund them and i'm like no they want to make them funding lighter so that

00:18:54.260 they last longer it's really funny to me that you progressives who claim to care about social

00:19:00.520 safety nets don't care that mathematically they're going to break down if we don't do something about

00:19:05.240 this like which one of us has the crazier position here right you know or you claim i said the same

00:19:12.380 when you claim to care about latin americans but you don't care that they're below us in fertility

00:19:16.080 rates in a lot of these countries and we are taking them during their productive years and letting

00:19:20.940 these countries expend the tax dollars to train them during their unproductive years

00:19:23.700 like is that not going to collapse these countries economies like are you being fair here like in so

00:19:30.020 many instances it's like they're not but i want to get back to the central question i asked originally

00:19:35.060 should sex be a human right like like does it fall into like what are the the human rights that

00:19:44.560 somebody should have the ability to pursue within the united states or we should like what are your

00:19:49.260 thoughts on this i think the government shouldn't have to pay for anyone's hobbies and i i consider

00:20:00.460 sex to be a hobby so i think people should have the right to pursue hobbies that don't hurt them or cause

00:20:09.820 you know like hurt the the local like shared environment right like if one of your causes is

00:20:16.940 detonating nuclear explosives that clearly like if that's a hobby no that's not okay because it's

00:20:22.380 going to hurt people in the area if one of your hobbies is graping people then no that's not okay

00:20:29.600 but you know otherwise it's fine but the government shouldn't have to pay for it which is why i was

00:20:34.740 really alarmed when you went through all the data about prep and how much money is being paid like i

00:20:39.700 appreciate the fact that like it's it's reducing disease spread but at the same time

00:20:43.140 that's a hobby so for clarification we should give people some background on prep so prep is a drug

00:20:50.780 that prevents you from getting aids if you have sex with somebody with aids now we should note here

00:20:56.780 that the drugs that suppress aids are so good now that if you have a like a monogamous partner who has

00:21:03.260 aids this drug isn't relevant to you because you would know and you would trust that they're on one of the

00:21:08.040 drugs that suppresses aids and as you know if you if you read you know stuff on this the risk of

00:21:14.180 transmission is negligible and i don't even think you'd be recommended to take prep just because

00:21:18.560 you know if your partner is it's called like showing zero or something it means your your test

00:21:22.760 is showing i can't remember yeah but but but so this is not for monogamous gay people or monogamous

00:21:29.540 straight people or even gay or straight people who are having sex with a small collection of partners 0.96

00:21:34.100 that they know and trust right this is for people having sex with people who you don't know about

00:21:39.560 like like casual sex so obamacare made it so that every insurance plan had to cover this and a number

00:21:45.020 of states cover it for free i think it's like 12 states in the united states cover it for free

00:21:49.080 and it's like when that money can go to like a child with cancer or something like that like

00:21:53.920 why on earth is it going to literally the only use case is orgies and you could say well the

00:22:00.560 externality of disease spread is bad and it's like i get that but like we shouldn't be financing this 0.89

00:22:08.900 right like maybe if you know you you and that's that's where i get this like an orgy is a hundred

00:22:17.740 percent like not necessary for a person's life like lots of people go through their entire lives

00:22:23.440 without orgies or sleeping with with random people like that's not okay yeah no i will know you know

00:22:31.000 if if you are having sex with somebody you know outside of prep right you know you know a lot of

00:22:36.620 contraceptives like are not as is a hundred percent as people think they are yeah and if you are having

00:22:41.360 sex a lot you can get somebody else pregnant you know and this is an expensive externality to a hobby 0.98

00:22:48.180 that you have if you assume that like the way to deal with that is abortion i do not think

00:22:52.620 that is a great thing to do but i'm just saying like even if i was a person who like had absolutely

00:22:58.620 no problem with like recreational sex and then abortion as the because when i was younger you know

00:23:03.240 i i felt that way i i don't think that it is the state's responsibility to pay for that hobby

00:23:10.020 just because the hobby can have big small negative expensive externalities you know like if somebody

00:23:16.780 has a hobby around like hiking in nature and they get lost they often have to pay for the rescue effort you

00:23:22.060 know like i don't think that that should go to the taxpayer yeah yeah it's it's kind of disturbing

00:23:28.120 when it does the other thing that strikes me about this is just how reminiscent it seems the implied

00:23:35.280 ideal world of many progressives is the dystopia of brave new world they just don't want to admit it

00:23:41.460 okay explain what you mean by this because a lot of people don't know that dystopia yeah and before

00:23:45.380 you get to that hold on hold on before you get to that i want to read the tweet that we mentioned in

00:23:49.400 the prep episode that like started all the discussion around okay go ahead that was by

00:23:53.600 plant mommy posadist realizing that sex doesn't have to be this sacred all-important thing and can

00:24:00.680 instead just be an expression of affection between friends who are dear to one another is honestly the

00:24:06.000 most life-changing realization for me surpassed only by realizing i'm a girl and then somebody was like

00:24:12.460 aren't we in an aids epidemic or something you all seriously tripping and they responded i literally took

00:24:17.620 pills every day so i can't contract hiv so there are people of people like the reason i wanted to

00:24:23.860 read that if people are like nobody thinks of sex as something as like insignificant as a handshake

00:24:28.480 yes there literally are people who think that continue simon no it was the brave new world thing

00:24:34.360 no but that's that is that is kind of the attitude that they want in brave new world so one of the

00:24:38.960 in in eldest huxley's brave new world which is this sci-fi book written in the 1930s of this

00:24:44.940 futuristic dystopia that's surprisingly like today and or our near future it is a very sexually free

00:24:52.740 world they have all these these sayings they're supposed to repeat and they've sort of been

00:24:58.960 brainwashed with and one of them is everyone belongs to everyone else and it's a mantra

00:25:02.960 that reminds everyone that you should never get in an exclusive relationship and one character who's

00:25:09.320 kind of leaning towards that is is like strongly dissuaded from doing so because it would really

00:25:14.280 hurt her reputation they're also like really here's just another quote that like makes me think of

00:25:21.980 today oh like has been napping he doesn't want to wake up but whatever here's another quote from the

00:25:27.320 book that sort of shows how they view relationships quote he let out the amazing truth for a very long

00:25:32.380 period before the time of r ford which is like their god i think you know they're trying to sort of

00:25:36.940 say industrialization was the thing that changed everything and even for some generations afterwards

00:25:42.560 erotic play between children had been regarded as abnormal there was a roar of laughter and not only

00:25:48.080 abnormal but actually immoral no and had therefore been rigorously suppressed in most cases till they

00:25:55.160 were over 20 years old the results were terrible which is just like erotic play between children had

00:26:02.780 been considered abnormal hello so they're literally like pushing for maps and everything in this they're

00:26:08.120 they're like yeah i had no idea and then another another quote from the book no wonder those poor

00:26:14.480 pre-moderns were mad and wicked and miserable their world didn't allow them to take things easily 0.93

00:26:19.640 didn't allow them to be sane virtuous happy what with mothers and lovers what with the prohibition 0.87

00:26:25.320 what with the prohibitions they were not conditioned to obey what with the temptations and lonely

00:26:31.000 remorses what with all the diseases and endless isolating pain what with the uncertainties and

00:26:36.380 poverty they were forced to feel strongly and feel strongly and strongly was what more in solitude

00:26:41.980 hopelessly individual isolation how could they be stable because this was like an this is an age in

00:26:47.340 which people are heavily drugged constantly switching partners they also have basically the existence of

00:26:55.440 like sex vr experiences like that's a huge source of entertainment they're called the feelies where

00:27:02.420 you like it's like going to the movies but instead you get to feel everything oh gosh i have to find a

00:27:07.320 quote about that because it's oh yeah here's a quote about like that part of their okay okay

00:27:13.060 when the assistant predestinator henry foster saying quote going to the feelies this evening henry

00:27:19.900 i hear the new one at the alhambra's first rate there's a love scene on a bear skin rug they say

00:27:25.960 it's marvelous every hair of the bear reproduced the most amazing tactical effects so wait there's a

00:27:33.380 bear wait having sex with a bear no no no on a bear skin rug so it's it's like it's it's a movie with 0.81

00:27:40.500 an erotic scene in which there's sex on a bear skin rug and you feel everything it's it's like wearing 0.99

00:27:46.020 a haptic suit but this is the 1930s like i never understood this like group sex thing like the

00:27:52.300 idea of going to like a movie theater where multiple people are at the same time like watching

00:27:56.240 a pornography the thing that like peewee herman got in trouble for like how who is that how

00:28:01.480 desirable like that or or going in a highly communal society people wouldn't see it as weird

00:28:08.700 but yeah it's the the society of brave new world is one in which there's basically polyamory

00:28:15.620 vr sex underage sex it's their ideal world and i mean there there are parts of that i really like

00:28:26.620 they would hate obviously the selective breeding the striated society there's some other elements of this 0.87

00:28:33.420 this dystopia that they would absolutely love and every time i hear about like the the sexual ideals 0.98

00:28:40.460 of like everything is paid for and you have sex with whoever you want to and sex is like a handshake 0.70

00:28:46.460 i just think of brave new world which is very different somebody needs to write a dystopia about

00:28:51.300 our feud well i'm writing it it's the game i'm making yeah where i have our faction be one of the

00:28:56.980 particularly dystopian factions exactly you're doing it they've they've bred individuals within

00:29:03.020 their faction to have no the technically to have no arousal patterns anymore and no pleasure from

00:29:10.800 anything other than like accomplishments and exploration yeah you know instead of instead of

00:29:17.820 just like spamming all that other stuff just be like hey just remove it right like live a life

00:29:22.240 dedicated to you know improvement a very brave new world just just removing the temptation you

00:29:27.740 won't feel it anymore why would you but well i mean it's it's the way i have it work was the

00:29:33.540 faction to make them be sort of like evil because i don't want a faction that's like representative of

00:29:37.520 midas and it's to not be evil right like i i want it to be interesting right so they

00:29:43.540 the the pathways that are used for arousal appear to have been sort of co-opted by the systems that

00:29:54.680 are associated with accomplishments like overcoming particular challenges which means that you know

00:30:02.360 one of the big challenges that a person would face like on rumspringer or something like this

00:30:06.060 is a conflict with a particularly challenging foe you have to defeat or kill or something like that

00:30:11.200 and so they're they they don't seem to recognize that the sexual impulse has sublimated the kill

00:30:20.040 strong thing impulse because they're they're too proud to recognize that that that's what's happened

00:30:25.900 and it's just the previous emotion there and so they're all like pretty psychotic like they're very

00:30:33.400 cold and they don't like to show that they get emotion from anything but they they really like you

00:30:38.860 trying to hunt anything they see the particularly challenging foe or prey which which makes them

00:30:45.080 you know psychotically bloodthirsty in the minds of of other people in the world which which i like

00:30:50.860 because i don't i don't want my side to be the good guys i want them to be sort of psychos i think

00:30:55.480 that that's way more fun than than making my guys the utopia we're making them the dystopia

00:31:02.120 yeah well back to this article what i think was so interesting about it to me was that

00:31:08.580 she it isn't like muddled first she's like well how could women not just receive support for 1.00

00:31:15.940 fibroids and prenatal care and postnatal care but then also like why aren't they receiving free housing

00:31:22.160 and why isn't the infrastructure of their cities perfect and and reproductive justice is what this 1.00

00:31:28.800 is all about but reproductive justice and choice is really mostly about birth control and abortions

00:31:34.440 but she's also like no reproductive choices is about free housing and that's where i'm like so

00:31:39.220 confused and i feel like what's going on is she's she's trying to use one argument that's very popular

00:31:47.520 among liberals like how a lot of people who are progressive say like oh you know actually how a lot

00:31:52.880 of people in the prenatalist movement who for example might be like a marxist or like it's all about

00:31:57.380 pronatalism which is why everyone needs to have free social like everything but really all they

00:32:03.480 really care about is is marxism right and and i think what's going on here is she's trying to use

00:32:09.120 reproductive justice and choice which is just an obvious yes if you're a progressive to argue in

00:32:15.820 favor of again marxism it's like this this horseshoe that we see both among pronatalists and

00:32:20.900 anti-natalists or or anti-pronatalists of like why aren't we why aren't we giving people endless

00:32:30.860 services which brings us back to the entire argument around demographic collapse which is

00:32:37.600 we can't do that if there's no one to pay for it

00:32:40.760 hey i'm gonna get you toys we'll get the the wealthiest to pay for all these ai billionaires

00:32:48.200 all the all the tech all the tech lords it's like well they're gonna leave yeah like that's a lovely

00:32:54.620 idea and i'm sure see the thing is like i feel like there was an era like the era of of dale carnegie

00:33:02.420 where the the robber barons of the gilded age absolutely did that and they were rewarded for it and

00:33:09.480 they were they were they were respected in society but they did bill gates tried to do it and mark

00:33:15.460 zuckerberg tried to do it and to a certain extent elon musk tried to do it yeah and they've all been

00:33:20.440 defenestrated and they're all seen as evil and they're all seen as the problem and i think at this

00:33:25.420 point it's like well i tried i'm not going to do this anymore because no matter what i do and no matter

00:33:31.760 how much i give no matter no matter how much i'm taxed you're gonna hate me you're gonna try to take

00:33:36.840 more and i'm done i'm done i'm done so well and you know what i think realized is that the progressives

00:33:43.120 are totally unappreciative the conservatives not and this is the thing like when you're nice to

00:33:48.940 conservatives they are nice back and i think that like when elon you know he probably started going

00:33:54.200 to like trump rallies not realizing this at first and he's like but wait wait wait they like genuinely

00:33:58.920 love me like unironically like i might have some beliefs that they disagree with but they still think

00:34:05.240 i'm great because i'm trying to help and i think that if mark zuckerberg just come to one of the

00:34:10.520 rallies just come you know you when you say positive things about trump you get love from us

00:34:15.460 like the progressives don't give you love when you say positive things about you know their side

00:34:19.340 right when you're like oh whatever start banning them a little more start you know you can you can

00:34:25.500 you can rig the platform in our favor and then you know i say i'm against regulation but i wouldn't 0.94

00:34:31.200 mind a little bit more on the you know the maybe when they say that we need to eradicate the jews you

00:34:37.940 can you can handle that because that's happening a lot on a lot of lefty platforms now i love i love

00:34:44.780 how they've like gone full anti-semitic and they're still going with the nazi thing still haven't figured

00:34:49.680 out the lack of continuity there but okay i mean i think the the thing is if you just keep

00:34:59.080 trying to pull it off and really believing it then you know they'll they'll just keep doing it

00:35:06.120 just lying straight to your face you know 0.99

00:35:09.720 like no homo but no anti-semitism but the jews needs to die i mean it's it's not an anti-semitism 0.99

00:35:19.300 but like of course i love jews yeah of course i love jews but like just the the most of them 0.99

00:35:30.440 just i mean it's just just not the you know not the the blood libel evil jews who all have to die 1.00

00:35:37.540 you know i like the good jews

00:35:39.540 they are no it is it is weird how like ideology just makes so little sense when you try to like

00:35:50.860 construct it more anyway i love you to decimone this conversation has been fun uh we initially

00:35:58.100 like went away from like the rant conversations where we just have like a few like a broad concept

00:36:02.540 that we're going to talk about but you guys seem to love the rants so that's what we're here for

00:36:06.840 well yeah always give us feedback and ideas some of you by the way send us really great ideas

00:36:13.440 thematic to some quotes from today's discussion not aldous huxley on x shout out to you dude for

00:36:20.720 sending us always interesting links and so yeah everyone else feel free to do it too

00:36:24.300 yep i love you to decimone love you too malcolm

00:36:27.840 also just this idea that readers would find it insulting that a man should choose to not

00:36:39.160 reach out to a woman on a dating platform because doing so would require a donation to the trevor

00:36:46.140 project

00:36:46.500 sorry you cut on i mean what did you say that readers would find what insulting

00:36:51.480 insulting i find it entertaining that readers would be insulted by the idea that a man should be

00:36:57.820 unlikely to pay money to the trevor project in order to speak to a woman

00:37:04.540 like if you're not politically aligned right but he didn't like that like somebody would be against

00:37:11.820 an organization that in his mind only exists to help gays who are thinking about suicide

00:37:18.060 which of course is not why a lot of people don't support the trevor project like i didn't want to go on a

00:37:24.140 big rant about why the trevor project is so evil because you know that's that's a battle that i

00:37:29.740 don't fight that's why i kept redirecting everything sorry there was a chat thread with

00:37:33.980 my stanford graduate school business class and they were all trashing us because we were what front

00:37:38.300 page of the new york times today and it was called women of you were mentioned in the new york times

00:37:44.040 yeah i don't know where it was in the newspaper and then amanda bradford one of our friends who 0.54

00:37:48.740 was at the conference i guess we can say it now because she must have given them permission to

00:37:51.200 publish that uh was one of the people who's speaking she founded the league the dating app

00:37:55.480 she's in my class she's a really cool person um and she was helping people date there and and so

00:38:01.280 i had to respond typically i like don't get into these big chats but if somebody is attacking like

00:38:05.440 somebody who stood up for me and being like oh you're you're a racist or you're a nazi or whatever

00:38:09.700 in any way so very do you want to explain to them how the app would work it was a really cool idea for

00:38:13.960 an app yeah the the idea that came out during this brainstorming session that amanda bradford led

00:38:19.400 at natal con was that to reduce the extent to which female participants on this online dating platform 0.93

00:38:28.700 were spammed by male prospectors you were expected as a man to make at least a small donation

00:38:36.980 to the non-profit of a woman's choice in order to send her a message so it's similar to ashley

00:38:43.720 madison where i think men have to pay per woman contacted however it one is isn't a like hookup

00:38:51.300 for married men site and two it's it's to charity so this is for good and it's great because you can

00:38:56.840 also learn something about the woman's values you can feel good about having donated to a cause that

00:39:02.900 you support even if the woman didn't get back to you you know it's not just like throwing

00:39:06.800 money into a gaping hole of a corporation and three you know instantly if someone is really likely to

00:39:15.200 be politically misaligned with you which matters these days so it really helps it's it's a very

00:39:20.160 functional very good feature and yet that's being used to defenestrate amanda bradford and 1.00

00:39:26.540 natal con in general which is just so you know how big i am when somebody sticks their neck out for me

00:39:32.160 and then they get attacked for it i like that's the one time when i yeah actually i just don't

00:39:37.720 nope nope i'm not having that you know if you're defending me you you you get my full backing after

00:39:44.320 that yeah which is appropriate yeah all right i'm gonna start this

00:39:49.960 but i think it gets me all like all the adrenaline from having your whole class like jump on you

00:39:57.040 like oh you naughty yeah even the person giving you the shout out being like oh i made a mistake

00:40:04.320 that's just i don't know i think it feels really crappy feels really crappy for people to not give you

00:40:12.360 even a modicum of i'm not we're not asking people to give you the benefit of the doubt but

00:40:19.220 like maybe read the article maybe actually understand the points that you're making instead of just

00:40:24.160 assuming like some kind of pod person that you are a bad person i love one guy with like oh it's

00:40:33.020 really it's really suspicious that all these people who say that the social safety nets are

00:40:39.140 going to start collapsing due to fertility collapse that they hang out with all these parties that want 1.00

00:40:44.420 to defund social safety nets and then i'm like huh you know it's equally suspicious that all these people

00:40:49.280 who say they love social safety nets don't seem to care that they're about to collapse like is this

00:40:53.980 whole thing performative you know i mean anyway i'll jump into this

00:41:00.000 i'm gonna keep it correct because you proud my steve two times mommy

00:41:12.280 what are you doing i said torsten i just wrote my honesty two times that i'm holding anything so i'm keeping this lock

00:41:34.280 and what do you have there torsten

00:41:40.460 and titan what are you trying to do

00:41:45.440 what are you doing titan

00:41:48.400 i see

00:41:55.120 you

Based Camp - May 16, 2025

Leftists Argues Pronatalists Should Sterilize Black Women？？？

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