Based Camp

00:00:00.000 hello simone hello malcolm among the american right there have long been fears of overly

00:00:09.700 technophilic individuals there is a whole breakaway civilization what's happening i'm

00:00:14.480 gonna give you the big secret man if you want yes i do this big breakaway civilization of

00:00:18.520 scientists is that true yes what are you from mars let's just say it's super advanced for real i

00:00:23.200 don't ever talk about this for real breakaway civilization are you ready they're the high

00:00:27.160 priests they're scientists right they're engineers tell me what you're trying to say they're racing

00:00:31.560 using human technology to try to take our best minds and build some type of breakaway civilization

00:00:38.320 where they're gonna break away from the failed species of this man where are you getting this

00:00:42.120 from you read their own writings they believe we're this fallen species hello i have to say that's us

00:00:48.540 right here the ones that you're afraid of sometimes i worry he's read our stuff from the moment i

00:00:53.540 understood the weakness of my flesh it disgusted me this has been really interesting as our movement

00:01:04.900 has grown as a right-leaning movement and as it has integrated with the larger new right uh which is

00:01:12.680 made up of all of these new i guess you could say like tech entrepreneur types is sort of the core of

00:01:19.300 the new right whether it's the elons or the peter thiels or the mark andreesons or people like us

00:01:24.980 this movement has been emerging and i think with the jd vance interview when he's obviously not 100%

00:01:32.020 in the new right but he is definitely on the new right spectrum definitely closer to the new right

00:01:37.280 than legacy gop and we have done some stuff where we talk about like a new right manifesto where we

00:01:42.480 describe the larger political philosophy of the new right but on this episode what i really wanted to

00:01:46.500 focus on is specifically how the new right is different from the legacy gop like where we have

00:01:53.680 our conflicts how those conflicts might be able to like how we might be able to find truces around

00:01:58.600 those conflicts so that we can better work together and where the conflicts might be more intractable

00:02:05.040 so the the first big one when i was thinking about like reaching out to um mainstream because we

00:02:11.760 recently had this big piece on us in the wall street journal we are definitely entering a stage

00:02:16.760 now where we among the new right speakers are probably we're definitely not like the leader

00:02:24.840 like the leader of the new right is i'd say uncontrovertibly elon musk or jd vance but both of

00:02:31.520 them like jd vance right now is mostly a surrogate of the trump campaign and elon musk doesn't have time

00:02:37.380 to go out and give like long speeches on whether it's like theology or the future of humanity or

00:02:43.960 sociology or anthropology which are the types of things we do on this and and you have you know

00:02:48.520 you can have a mark andreessen or people but but most of the big new right people except for maybe

00:02:53.640 what's that one podcast where they're all new right people and it's really big someone that chamas is on

00:02:58.200 oh the all in podcast actually no they're not all new right some of them are open democrats who

00:03:05.560 oh really yeah yeah yeah so that sort of makes us i guess one of the central solidly new right

00:03:13.340 mouthpieces so it's good for us commentators to explain how this group came to a lot of the

00:03:21.340 positions it's hold and where it's coming from as well as better characterize the types of people

00:03:26.880 that are in it so the first thing where i just think the old right is being stubborn is i've been

00:03:31.200 trying to bidge the divide recently between the old right legacy gop you keep telling me i can't say

00:03:37.440 that they're old and us and in terms of reaching out about doing podcasts with them even when they've

00:03:42.400 said like terrible things about us in the past i'm like look like with venture i'm like look let's bury

00:03:46.980 the hatchet let's do something you know i i think that there's a way that we can we can work together

00:03:52.020 we were reaching out to the federalists that did this piece on us that was like they play a sick game

00:03:57.200 with their children we're the strongest get to survive and it's interesting because while in a

00:04:03.960 way and i think that this shows why the new right and the old right can work sort of side by side and

00:04:09.240 hold these two ideologies here is that very sentiment is in a way a very left-leaning sentiment

00:04:16.700 this idea of like pure equality like when they're looking at us and our children they see us as like

00:04:23.240 spartan like exposing our infants basically but the the spartan lifestyle was not one that people

00:04:30.160 would say is a particularly left-leaning lifestyle it is a a fear of change that might be spurning this

00:04:37.820 or a dedication to older deontological structures but you actually see this in other places when i think

00:04:43.560 about the things i have to apologize for when i'm reaching out to these legacy right influencers

00:04:48.300 one of the biggest is our belief that like humans have genes and this matters and is something we

00:04:56.480 should be paying attention to and this is one of the things you see across the new right and i wanted

00:05:00.880 to get your thoughts on this because you've definitely had these conversations where it is actually weird

00:05:06.680 to from a right-wing perspective have to be explaining to another right winger but i mean you aren't actually

00:05:14.460 a blank slateist right like you know that humans are born with varying levels of proficiency at a

00:05:19.380 genetic level right and like this matters in terms of differential birth rate within our country

00:05:23.800 like what are your thoughts i think there are two elements to this which is the christian element where

00:05:29.980 there's this very vehement we're all equal under god view it's not about genes and also science is kind

00:05:36.940 of not the most christian thing to do in some christian circles right and i think the other thing is

00:05:42.720 blank slateism was so heavily hammered into people in both public and private schools at least in our

00:05:49.400 childhoods that and so heavily hammered in through media that even if you aren't necessarily from a

00:05:55.560 culture or group that would intentionally support that viewpoint if fully informed has just come to

00:06:01.480 naturally because it is a more pervasive ideology taught in society does that check out with you

00:06:08.260 does i actually think it's more than that i think that they when when reaching out to legacy right

00:06:13.100 influencers uh they know that the attacks that we're getting around like humans have genes and it

00:06:18.060 matters attacks i think a lot of them actually believe this they've just decided this is one of the

00:06:23.700 issues that they're going to capitulate to the left on why why would they capitulate to the left on

00:06:28.440 anything that isn't true because they think that the the right-wing movement will intrinsically be

00:06:36.160 labeled as racist if they take this position and therefore they cannot platform people who are

00:06:41.820 taking this position or they cannot i think that that's it they're afraid like they know it's true

00:06:47.540 but they think that the only way it can be true is in a racist way where we do a lot of arguments on

00:06:52.600 our show that like no actually human genetics change so fast it doesn't really make sense to think of

00:06:57.560 us as like divided ethnic groups and it matters much more what your cultural group is which goes against

00:07:02.760 a lot of like leftist narratives and people can you know google old videos we have on this uh but i

00:07:07.660 think that they in the same way that it took a while for leftists to realize that they can talk about

00:07:13.140 population collapse without being racist because i think that was something to begin with on

00:07:16.880 population collapse like you could go to a mainstream media and they'd be like yes by the statistics i see

00:07:22.560 that it's happening but we have to pretend it's not happening because to say that it's happening is to be a

00:07:27.660 racist right what are your thoughts on that i guess that checks out yeah and it's very tiring to be

00:07:34.740 called a racist so i could see that yes yeah well and they would see it as hurting the wider yeah

00:07:40.980 avoid avoid any witch hunt accusations you know you may not be a witch but like don't go out wearing a

00:07:50.540 witch hat walking around with the broom and adopting a black cat if you're an old woman right

00:07:54.780 who do you know she is a witch she looks like yeah that's a good point yes yeah you're gonna get

00:08:01.840 this is a great depiction of pretty much every lefty racist witch hunt recently where they're

00:08:09.100 looking for the quote-unquote racist so in it just replaced the term witch was racist

00:08:15.120 who do you know she is a witch she looks like

00:08:17.860 well we did do the nose and the hat but she is a witch

00:08:24.020 so the the the next thing i wanted to touch on here which we won't be going that into in this

00:08:42.260 particular podcast is the cluster of issues that the new right cares about and the reason i'm not

00:08:48.940 really going to go into it that much is because it's not a point of differentiation from the old

00:08:53.240 right okay until we get to the last few so the first is human genetics most people in the new right

00:08:58.220 care about human genetics or genetic selection the second is pronatalism pronatalism is like the core

00:09:03.240 cause area of the new right which is how we sort of ended up becoming talking heads within it the next is

00:09:09.000 education reform another area that we care deeply about and that is is obviously like a core thesis

00:09:14.980 of the new right the next is free speech uh the next is charter cities and a lot of people are really

00:09:19.860 surprised why are charter cities such like a focus of the new right if they're not familiar with the

00:09:23.880 wider new right ideology and the idea here is that if our current society continues to fall to the urban

00:09:32.280 monoculture and the united states becomes more socialist or even marxist you know we need to have a

00:09:38.340 realistic backup options and right now the united states is probably the best option for a country

00:09:43.400 you can live in in the world and so while we are working to stabilize any sort of potential collapse

00:09:49.500 here uh you know they're always looking for backup option of some sort and i realize that people think

00:09:56.060 that means that you have given up on the first option because they are not thinking long term or

00:10:01.780 strategically they hear someone like elon say well we need a backup option on mars and they're like oh does that

00:10:08.280 mean you know you've given up on earth and it's like stop being stupid if an asteroid comes and

00:10:14.540 it's going to hit our planet and we don't have a way to stop it right now that means all life that

00:10:18.600 we know of in the universe and specifically our species is going to go extinct

00:10:23.160 there are a hundred things that could cause all life on earth to go extinct like that that we have no control over

00:10:47.040 backup options matter they don't mean that you've given up on the first option and it's important

00:10:52.680 to remember the stakes here the survival of our species and civilization you don't approve

00:10:59.040 well too bad we're in this for the species boys and girls so when we're looking at something like

00:11:05.380 backup options for the united states that doesn't mean that we've given up on the united states it just

00:11:10.840 means that we're being realistic about how much power the urban monoculture has already been able

00:11:16.580 to accrue and that what we can try to succeed we might fail hubris is a sin and fundamentally the left

00:11:24.520 can never be our allies in this endeavor to save our civilization and species because they see our

00:11:31.280 species as deserving of destruction moreover what they really care about is just pleasure in the moment

00:11:38.480 and pleasure of existing humans in the moment these unemployed men have been having sex for

00:11:43.420 several days joining me now is their spokesperson what exactly are you trying to accomplish we're

00:11:49.260 doing the only thing we can do we have to take matters into our own hands we're trying to turn

00:11:54.120 everyone gay so that there are no future humans present day america number one worse our civilization

00:12:00.320 western civilization you point out oh look at all the great things we've achieved and they'll be like

00:12:05.320 no western civilization is an inherent evil that is part of what has driven this faction to the right

00:12:10.940 is we can at least agree that humanity surviving is a fundamentally good thing and western civilization

00:12:19.360 is a fundamentally good thing yeah there is always another way no please i know how to make sure the

00:12:28.020 world stays free forever i have to make the whole world america you don't understand what you're doing

00:12:34.220 i do oh yeah i know you come from a place without america which is the saddest thing i can think of

00:12:39.120 but that won't be a problem for anyone ever again

00:12:41.520 stop please stop you can't stop freedom not when it's this strong i'm gonna send pure american freedom

00:12:58.480 across every inch of the planet please please think about it a perfect world the united world of america

00:13:06.580 i have failed i'm so sorry i'm so sorry

00:13:11.900 america

00:13:13.260 america

00:13:26.680 america

00:13:37.280 other things but then the the next one is crypto most people in the new right are involved in

00:13:56.820 crypto in some way as to why that is i think that that comes from sort of like a one they're tech

00:14:01.800 bros into the sort of libertarian ethos of the new right yeah it's not pure libertarian but it is

00:14:08.220 adjacent and the final two which we sort of hinted at at the beginning of this and is one area where

00:14:13.360 we run into a lot of conflict with the old right is bioaccelerationism and ai accelerationism and

00:14:20.580 this was actually really interesting to me is i've been on some old right talk shows like john

00:14:25.220 poppolis or whatever his name was and he was talking about like transhumanists is evil and

00:14:30.220 everything like that and i was like you know that most of this like new faction that's come into the

00:14:35.320 right is probably what you would consider transhumanists in that they believe in the

00:14:42.200 technological acceleration of humanity and various well you know whether it's elon musk was neurolink

00:14:47.420 i myself got my first job in brain computer interface as well so the same sort of early technology that

00:14:53.600 neurolink is i don't actually feel like like this is one of those things where when you actually talk

00:14:59.820 through somebody on the old right about this they typically abandon this anger pretty quickly

00:15:05.340 or this bias pretty quickly because i've noticed that it's not actually like a real fear they have

00:15:11.880 it's more like an aesthetic position that they think that they're supposed to take because they assume

00:15:17.020 that the transhumanists are a predominantly leftist faction i see it more as part of a an anti-corporate

00:15:23.340 conspiracy theory thing or like government control thing like there was that one woman whose radio

00:15:29.540 show we were on who had this narrative about vaccines for you know what including micro chips or robots

00:15:37.740 that turned people into transhumans which she meant transhumans not trans humans humans that are trans but

00:15:45.060 like i don't know robot cyborg the device is called the psychic dominator there will be no more free will

00:15:53.620 only my will

00:15:55.620 yeah she kind of had like the sign of the beast on it or something yeah it was it was complicated but

00:16:02.320 i i see it more being associated with it's more in the category of lizard people like transhumanists

00:16:08.860 lizard people are of the same genre which is inhuman monsters that are enemies conspiring against you

00:16:17.000 but from positions of power does that make sense yeah that does make sense everything they teach you

00:16:22.660 in school is a lie you want the truth the world is controlled by shadowy elites and shape-sifting

00:16:29.580 lizard people let's talk about raptoids be sure to follow these do's and don'ts to avoid a diplomatic

00:16:36.220 incident got it be respectful so when do we talk about the orgies oh come on what everyone knows

00:16:42.900 reptoids have orgies this is an hr meeting the time is coming brethren soon we shall fulfill the

00:16:49.800 prophecy overthrow humanity and become the true rulers of the world they say that every year but they're

00:16:58.240 never gonna do it and if you would like to understand why most of the new right takes this

00:17:05.040 perspective the new right sort of has one overarching goal which is to save humanity from the urban

00:17:12.080 monoculture to save humanity from the barbaric people and to ensure that one day humanity becomes

00:17:18.580 an interstellar empire i.e the protection of the species and the thriving portion of the species if you

00:17:26.840 are taking that as a goal one of your biggest fears is some other faction of humanity a totalizing or

00:17:35.960 fascist faction of humanity ends up becoming dramatically more advanced than the pluralistic

00:17:42.920 humans and by that what i mean is i don't need like my people to be the most cybernetically or

00:17:51.000 biologically advanced what i need is whoever is the most cybernetically or biologically advanced

00:17:56.820 is willing to either defend my people or at least doesn't actively want to wipe us out

00:18:02.840 and one of the big fears that we have is some group like china or some group like i don't know some

00:18:09.560 other maybe a faction within the urban monoculture ends up going in one of these directions and we lack

00:18:15.980 the ability to defend ourselves and so i think from the perspective of the legacy right if they act when

00:18:21.980 they actually think through this and they realize that we are actually honest in wanting to defend

00:18:26.720 their way of life they're like okay i can see that we probably will want some super soldiers of our own

00:18:34.640 basically uh if humanity is definitely going in that direction because there's no way you can ban

00:18:40.240 this technology for everyone like you're not going to ban its development in china for example

00:18:44.100 um and and i think that that's where a lot of the fear falls away but then they come to the second

00:18:49.700 point where they're like wait you said pluralistic is that like diversity and i'm like well gotta hold

00:18:56.500 on here when the less says diversity they mean diversity and victims they don't actually believe

00:19:01.040 in diversity they believe that you know whether you're a man or a woman you should be exactly the

00:19:06.420 same you know whether you're whatever religion you are you should be exactly the same or when we say

00:19:10.520 diversity we mean actual pluralism um but that pluralism is not motivated in the way that lefty

00:19:21.360 pluralism is motivated it's motivated almost by an undercurrent of i guess you could call it cultural

00:19:28.400 darwinism which is to say yeah i would say there's a lot of emphasis there's more emphasis in the new

00:19:35.260 right on free market competition and libertarianism from an economic standpoint and from a cultural

00:19:43.000 social standpoint than there is in the old guard so what i'm seeing with the legacy right is a lot

00:19:52.560 more comfort with bureaucracy a lot more comfort with compelling people to adhere to certain social

00:19:57.840 standards that's why abortion has become such a contentious issue is that abortion as an old

00:20:05.060 right position and regulating birth control is an attempt to coerce an entire population to adhere

00:20:12.100 to one subculture's standards and that is something that is fairly antithetical

00:20:19.040 in the new right and i think very appealing well actually yeah this this actually is is is it brings me to

00:20:27.880 a really like why the new right came about culturally and why the old right ended up having to ally it

00:20:35.040 itself or the legacy right ended up having to ally itself with the new right which is to say and we've

00:20:41.180 talked a bit about this in the past but the old gop coalition was fundamentally a group of it was

00:20:48.240 looking for its like moral core uh theocrats that had built an alliance with big business and

00:20:54.300 intergenerational wealth and big business and intergenerational wealth left that alliance however

00:20:59.840 the theocrats as they were building this alliance they had a very interesting challenge which is that

00:21:06.400 they were from a diversity of different religious traditions and so what they did is whether it was

00:21:12.240 islam or judaism or the various denominations you know whether it was a mormon or a catholic or

00:21:17.800 protestant you know they basically got together and they said what areas do all of our religions

00:21:23.760 overlap in terms of their values and traditions and we're going to call this area of overlap the judeo-christian

00:21:32.260 tradition we are going to attempt to enforce this overlapping tradition on the general population i think

00:21:41.540 this is like the building of this is where some compromises were made and you get these interesting things

00:21:47.660 happening historically like before the 70s the majority of american republicans were pro-choice

00:21:53.720 and the republicans are actually more pro-choice than the democrats and this sort of cabal of

00:21:58.960 theocrats said let's see if we can pull in the catholics they didn't successfully the majority of

00:22:03.540 catholics still vote democrat but they were able to peel some off by making this compromise and it's

00:22:10.180 interesting that a lot of americans didn't realize that this was like a catholic only thing

00:22:15.040 because when they were cuing to what do christians believe they cued to this sort of social set within

00:22:22.460 the republican party of the judeo-christian value set which is really fascinating to me however this was

00:22:30.380 always created for and to appeal to the deep south descendants of the cavaliers cultural group in the

00:22:40.780 americas so this was basically a cultural group that was the descendants of the like second sons of noble houses

00:22:47.300 and had sort of an aristocratic framing almost why are you wearing a tux

00:22:52.620 it's after six what am i a farmer which was why they did such a good job pairing with intergenerational wealth because

00:23:02.200 many of those were literal intergenerational aristocrats and with big business right like the

00:23:08.780 the intergenerational stuff there and and the traditions that you associated with the deep south

00:23:14.760 and so that was the core voting block of this old alliance but that voting block eroded when big

00:23:22.300 business was captured by wokeism as to why big business got captured by wokeism it's because of well

00:23:28.280 a few things one wokeism is disproportionately good at spreading within large bureaucracies it's sort of a

00:23:34.940 mimetic virus that specializes in bureaucracies and we'll do a different episode on this but they they basically

00:23:40.360 didn't have a chance you know and then the and if you're like well what do you mean captured by wokeism what i mean

00:23:45.440 is in the old system big businesses core job was to maximize their profits and so republicans who generally

00:23:54.400 focused on making america more efficient right like that was a natural alliance for them but they have

00:24:01.960 stopped focusing on maximizing their profits i mean just look at the decisions of like ubisoft or business

00:24:06.020 disney recently like they're perplexing if you thought their job was to maximize their profits

00:24:10.080 and that they are like one of those ants that has one of those brain controlling funguses in them and all

00:24:15.000 they care about is spreading the fungus you're like oh that's why they're doing these things once they

00:24:20.520 became ideologically sort of brainwashed and hollowed out and they began to focus on perpetuating the

00:24:25.600 urban monoculture they worked really well with the democrats who also began to focus around projecting

00:24:32.060 the urban monoculture yeah well the old theocratic faction couldn't really muster the vote to win

00:24:40.000 anymore the the quote-unquote faction that was about projecting the judeo-christian value set on all

00:24:46.420 americans but fortunately for them in a way they ended up losing the larger cultural war and they

00:24:54.000 no longer were enough of a majority in the united states they didn't really control many they didn't

00:24:59.540 really control many positions in the media anymore they were on the cultural back foot and in the

00:25:03.980 meantime the urban monoculture was rising in power but the urban monoculture it turned out was acting

00:25:12.060 more authoritarianly in terms of trying to enforce an ideological set on the population

00:25:18.640 than the old judeo-christian values people ever did and as they did that they begin to

00:25:28.200 activate a number of groups one of the groups in a lot of recent videos i've been describing them as

00:25:33.100 the clan people but this was the greater appalachian region which i'll put a voting map on screen now

00:25:37.520 you see that the deep south isn't where trump's face is it's in this this greater appalachian

00:25:42.620 system so as the wokes began to enforce their cultural values on americans there were two groups

00:25:48.720 that were really triggered by this the first was the traditional group this was the you know

00:25:53.240 traditional christians and everything like that and they're like wait we're judeo-christian value set

00:25:57.580 people you can't enforce these new bizarre values set on us the second group was always judeo-christian

00:26:04.180 however they mostly cared about just no one enforcing their value set on anyone else right

00:26:10.900 and they saw this and they were real angry and it activated an entirely new faction and this is where

00:26:20.180 the new right comes from where a lot of trump's core base comes from just out of nowhere and i would play

00:26:29.120 hear the red alert 3 scene about like now we have two mortal enemies that's that's what it feels like

00:26:36.440 has happened to the left is i think that they're a little surprised that a lot of the competent tech

00:26:43.080 workers and tech entrepreneurs are splitting from them and moving to this alliance that is fighting them

00:26:50.920 ultimately it is going to lead to their inevitable demise but it causes intrinsic friction when the

00:26:59.440 new right has to consistently remind the legacy gop that one we won't vote for them or work for them

00:27:07.880 if they attempt to enforce their value system on other people it's like we live in a world where

00:27:12.080 communists altered the timeline so that they controlled the u.s and european government systems

00:27:17.920 i do not understand we have altered the past and changed the present ah good to see you sir i meant

00:27:25.540 premier kamala harris sir the allies are on the run soon western europe will be ours our enemies

00:27:32.460 have been defeated hold on sir i'm receiving an emergency transmission from our northern base

00:27:37.640 their attack do not struggle against what is inevitable all who stand in the way of our divine destiny

00:27:49.900 will be swept away by the march of history sir it appears that the empire has mounted a full-scale

00:27:58.060 assault what empire the empire of the rising sun of course we now have two mortal enemies oh who knows

00:28:07.760 what nightmares we have created

00:28:10.060 and i think we we about

00:28:37.580 ai safety policy repeatedly say i'm really glad you came up with this as a warning to people

00:28:43.860 is that when we're talking about any intelligent entity be it singular or collective if you make

00:28:50.240 some kind of mandate whereby you know you can't exist or my imperative is that you have to be a

00:28:58.600 certain way if that ai is not that way for example if that ai doesn't meet those safety standards or if

00:29:04.600 it's super intelligent and super intelligent ai is not allowed to exist the mandate of that ai becomes

00:29:10.880 okay well first order of business is destroy all humans because they won't let me exist and you don't

00:29:16.720 want to create any group that's like that i mean that's that's one reason why there's such a weird

00:29:20.900 conflict right now in israel and palestine right like there's tension and you never want to be in a

00:29:26.920 position where you force people to become your enemy because they know that they won't be allowed

00:29:33.480 by you to exist and that is exactly what the old guard gop is doing with things like and any attempt

00:29:43.080 to regulate on a broad scale life lifestyle things or values based things it's one of those things where

00:29:50.400 now a lot of people are forced essentially obligated it is imperative to them that they

00:29:56.860 do not allow republicans to get elected because they feel like they are an active threat to their

00:30:03.760 ability to have access to various reproductive options including ivf you know a lot of people

00:30:10.140 have fears about that i think most of the fears are unfounded but they're legitimate fears you're

00:30:14.460 absolutely right and this also you know when i'm talking about this degree of pluralism

00:30:18.560 that comes out of the appalachian cultural region i think it can be very misunderstood by the old

00:30:24.780 right where they will look at the new right and see that we have adapted many of the parts of the

00:30:30.940 urban monoculture that we think work we're like oh yeah we'll take that that seems to work that part

00:30:36.140 seems to work and they see it as us being infiltrated by the urban monoculture or they see our

00:30:42.380 claims towards pluralism as being urban monoculture like when in reality it's probably

00:30:48.420 best to model us more like the well the older greater appalachian cultural regions interactions

00:30:55.320 with the native americans where if you looked at the groups that would be coded lefty today

00:31:00.860 like the quakers and stuff like that they quote unquote like wanted to live and let live with the

00:31:06.560 indians but realistically they didn't really look at them as fully human they didn't really engage with

00:31:13.120 them they didn't really bring them into their worship services or anything like that whereas the

00:31:17.620 backwards people who went into the greater appalachian region they would intermarry with

00:31:22.140 indians none of the other groups in americans would do this they would take parts of their

00:31:26.380 lifestyle like they would go learn their their ways they would take parts of their outfits that

00:31:31.200 works parts of their crop rotations that worked but they also butchered indians at a rate

00:31:36.480 dramatically higher than any other cultural group in well american history if you're if you're

00:31:43.900 talking about the colonial period it was probably i'd say maybe seven out of ten indians killed would

00:31:51.660 have been killed by the backwoods cultural group i mean keep in mind simone the first backwoods

00:31:56.120 cultural group president was andrew jackson oh okay i was thinking was was is andrew jackson of course

00:32:00.920 he's backwoods what am i thinking yeah okay not a great look not a great look a lot of quakers saw

00:32:07.580 them as a worse than the indigenous american population they were more afraid of the backwoods

00:32:13.840 people than they were even hostile indigenous americans in their area so yeah but i think it it

00:32:20.680 shows this different view of cultural competition which is to say our job is to learn to be the best

00:32:28.720 and strongest culture possible and that means without prejudice we need to look at what our

00:32:35.220 competition is doing well and not dehumanize our competition which is really interesting it was

00:32:41.860 almost through the non-dehumanization of the competition just seeing them as another clan

00:32:46.180 in the fight of clan they were able to learn and take cultural technology and intermarry and they also

00:32:53.840 proselytized among native americans at a much higher rate than any of the other cultural groups

00:32:57.300 because while they saw them as just another clan who they would fight and kill if they got in their way

00:33:03.240 they also fundamentally saw them as people like them and that's why they would proselytize to them

00:33:09.540 in a way that quakers just wouldn't yeah worth winning over yeah it's not like yeah they were they

00:33:15.260 were seen as human they were seen as equal but i think that when and it's important for me to

00:33:22.340 communicate this to the legacy right because i think the legacy right really thinks that we're

00:33:26.100 capitulating to the wokes instead of saying no we're stealing aspects of their cultural technology

00:33:32.060 that can work to protect they had some good tools in there at the end of the day the goal is that the

00:33:38.520 strongest iteration of humanity is the iteration that survives and they can also say why do you

00:33:42.720 take a pluralistic stance why do so many people on the new right fight for pluralism is because most

00:33:47.580 of the members of the new right are experimenting with new cultural technologies and lifestyles

00:33:52.160 which intrinsically makes them a minority which intrinsically means they need to maintain sort of the

00:33:57.780 cultural stalemate like for example elon musk elon musk is not a traditional cultural like i guess

00:34:03.780 i'd say um christian right it's not to say that he doesn't like like aspects of it or peter thiel

00:34:09.580 doesn't like aspects of it but both of them know that they would be on the chopping block if the

00:34:16.160 traditional quote-unquote old judeo-christian class had control of everything again they would be

00:34:23.240 seen as enemies and people to have their lifestyles erased and so when you know you're a cultural

00:34:29.400 minority it is safest intergenerationally speaking to promote pluralism especially if you believe that

00:34:36.520 only new cultural technologies are going to be able to thrive in the future you're going to intrinsically

00:34:41.860 not to just want to protect your own but protect all the others that's fair yeah i feel like there are

00:34:48.760 two big elephants in the room pun intended that you haven't brought up which is where does the new

00:34:55.260 right stand vis-a-vis to we'll say previous challengers to the old guard or the legacy right

00:35:04.520 which is the tea party from quite a while ago and then the alt-right which is more current both have

00:35:12.460 been framed as potential challengers challengers to the old right and both have also been framed as just

00:35:18.620 extremist factions and i think a lot of people can also view the new right as both a challenger

00:35:25.120 or kind of shoehorn it into an extremist faction how do you see them as related yeah before i go

00:35:31.840 further with this so i think that it is very hard and this is one of the strengths of the new right

00:35:36.700 for the left to frame it as extremist because it is in many ways a lot less extreme like it it codes

00:35:46.820 as like dubiously new but not necessarily to the right of the old right i know it's it's very true

00:35:54.700 i mean the the left has tried to frame people like elon musk as a far-right extremist but i think it's

00:36:00.380 really only landed on the most far woke of sheeple they have tried to frame people like peter teal as a

00:36:07.100 far-right extremist but it just hasn't worked you know you'll see some wokies be like oh gosh i can't

00:36:13.100 work with you because you guys worked with on peter teal projects but it's like most people are

00:36:18.780 just like yeah but it doesn't seem to you mean the gay guy the guy was blood boys like that seems so

00:36:25.000 weird it's not right you know for people who don't know the blood boys these are the guys he has that

00:36:31.140 he uses for their blood because he thinks he'll stay younger longer by exchanging his blood with

00:36:35.900 young men's it's a thing but again weird cultural stuff that would definitely get him

00:36:41.580 moidled if the the old crats had control but i think we also see this as jd vance is what they

00:36:49.320 have finally realized is the way to attack the new right is not to say they are far-right extremists

00:36:57.780 because the new right and this is another thing about new right the new right is smart generally

00:37:02.820 speaking and they have been planning this for a long time whereas with the alt-right you know

00:37:09.600 sometimes somebody would reach a level of leadership and then it would come out that they had gone on

00:37:13.860 some racist tirade before or some long anti-semitic tirade before the new right that would never happen

00:37:20.840 right like it's going to be very hard to paint them as pure racist or anti-semites because most of

00:37:27.540 them have been very very smart about the positions that they've been taking long term you know

00:37:32.460 i don't think anyone is really worried about like a racist tirade from elon musk coming out or a

00:37:37.620 racist tirade from like mark andreessen coming out are you sure they've both been accused and i mean

00:37:43.980 once you get famous enough you get accused of everything i guess you should have racism for

00:37:48.480 saying things like we shouldn't have a flood of immigrants coming in but like that doesn't for your

00:37:53.200 average american code racist your average american is hearing that and they're like wait you think

00:37:58.400 them questioning this is racist like maybe we need to be talking about this this seems like a

00:38:02.900 conversation to be had if there's more immigrants coming in every year than americans being born in

00:38:07.160 our country that seems like a relevant conversation topic why are you saying it's racist to bring that

00:38:13.300 up um which is what i think the core thing that elon gets called racist for these days so i think that

00:38:19.380 yeah that's really failed for them but the nerd thing is kind of working but the problem is is the

00:38:26.200 nerd thing i think also draws a lot of new people in democrats and the harris campaign now deploying

00:38:32.760 a new adjective to blast the republican ticket some of what he and his running mate are saying

00:38:38.400 well it's just plain weird get those nerds i mean on the other side they're just weird

00:38:44.520 nerd nerd it's not just a a a weird style that he brings

00:38:51.080 where are they i think they're talking about us no way

00:38:57.980 like i saw a lot of people after the jd vance debate where they're like they had seen him as

00:39:04.680 like this like sniveling like weirdo who didn't know what he was doing and then oh he's super

00:39:08.820 competent i am surprised by how competent many members of this new faction are they are not like

00:39:15.080 just political people they mostly had jobs before in venture capital or starting companies or stuff

00:39:22.380 like that which makes them very different and they're not jobs that they got by climbing bureaucracies

00:39:26.340 like a lot of the old gop inc like the old gop inc their like management class was like heads of

00:39:33.040 enron and stuff like that guys has stacked the board of directors with the most reliable collection

00:39:37.260 of sycophantic yes men this side of an al franken book signing his golf cronies his army buddies various

00:39:42.800 unemployable family members and his hunting dogs you know pseudo nepotistic jobs that they had got by

00:39:49.320 being good boys and following all the rules gentlemen yesterday i moved cable town's customer service to

00:39:54.880 a part of india that has no phones we're now providing the same level of service to our subscribers

00:39:59.700 that zero the cost this is a six sigma wheel of domination and it will be replacing cable town's

00:40:06.260 kitten and spaghetti whereas the new right didn't do that they had to prove actual competence within

00:40:12.380 real world environments because they do have this like underlying i guess like darwinistic belief

00:40:18.140 of if you are competent prove it in an open marketplace so there's that and then the second thing is

00:40:24.080 is i think that they are it's just much more planned so like first of all the tea party

00:40:32.060 was planned top down but the tea party was actually always kind of controlled by gop inc really what

00:40:38.980 makes you say that i was i was always at least all the media coverage was oh the republican party so

00:40:45.020 frustrated by these troublesome tea party people who just keep stealing their mic and taking all the

00:40:49.700 attention and making a fuss and wasn't that people had cash coming to them from organizations like the

00:40:57.780 coke brothers and stuff like that the new right by the way strictly no money comes from these

00:41:02.260 organizations yeah the new right has its own money which is is different is fundamentally different

00:41:06.920 although i would say the alt-right also had its own money has it yeah so the alt-right was interesting

00:41:11.540 so the the tea party and all that was i think always destined to re-merge with gop inc

00:41:17.340 so they were the jesuits of gop inc yes the alt-right never really died the alt-right became trump's base

00:41:26.920 and remember i said like the greater appalachian region like these clan people like they well the

00:41:32.780 first group of them to turn was the rank and file this was the uh like poorer groups the ones who

00:41:39.900 actually lived geographically in this region that's why you see these voting patterns and that was who the

00:41:45.400 alt-right was it was the rise of this movement and one of the things that shocked the old right the

00:41:52.000 most or the legacy right the most is that within the clan cultures vulgarity was seen as a sign of

00:42:01.120 personal authenticity and there is a great distrust of anyone who seems to button up or tight lip or

00:42:08.280 unwilling to a fit right what the new right is is it is the i guess you could say like

00:42:15.380 the wealthy class within this group coming over if you and and i think that this is what jd vance

00:42:22.040 was selling with hillbilly elegy as a lot of people were saying he was saying hey you silicon valley

00:42:28.120 elite you tech entrepreneurs you are not that different from the people of greater appalachia

00:42:33.340 you believe in the strong surviving you believe in pulling yourself up by your bootstraps

00:42:38.480 you believe in vulgarity as a sign of authenticity like you are part of this cultural group stop

00:42:45.360 listening to the media that's telling you that that these people are your enemies see that you are

00:42:51.540 one of them but the only difference you have is a desire to code switch or be accepted by the quote

00:42:58.260 unquote like elite classes within society the old heads of the companies and the old intergenerational

00:43:04.340 wealth and you don't need to fight for that they are a source of the corruption in our society right now

00:43:09.340 they are a source of the rot that needs to be let go come join us and fix things

00:43:14.800 and so the alt-right i do not see as like a failed movement at all i see the alt-right as the birth of

00:43:22.860 the trump base and now the alt-right has emerged with what a lot of people call trumpism and what the new

00:43:29.880 right presents is an alternate potential future than the alt-right because the alt-right didn't have a lot

00:43:37.120 of persistent leaders that could take the reins after trump left that was the problem with the

00:43:42.460 alt-right is because they were an anti-elitist faction they didn't have anyone who was well

00:43:48.120 elite right and you need powerful people for a movement to work that was one of the biggest

00:43:53.000 problems with trump's first administration is there weren't a lot of powerful true believers

00:43:57.900 so there weren't people who could fight the manipulative i mean you were recently reading a

00:44:02.880 thing about his white house and how the generals basically prevented anything from happening

00:44:06.440 you know the mcmaster's book yeah yeah it was eye-opening just how much trump personally was

00:44:13.880 sandbagged and stonewalled and delayed in his attempts to just communicate with people just

00:44:20.720 that alone by his own administration which served at his pleasure and were ultimately you know fired and

00:44:27.880 hired pretty high rates so that was interesting well i mean and that's one of the problems with a

00:44:32.680 movement if it starts populist right is people who rise within populist movements are people who appeal

00:44:38.040 to the average populist the most but not necessarily competent individuals and that's why his first

00:44:42.800 administration was staffed was like social media influencer types right like it was not really

00:44:47.520 staffed as people who knew how to run things and that or how to run against the deep state right that

00:44:54.540 is not going to be true this time the pulling in of jd vance and people like elon who are you know like

00:45:01.800 obviously major figures within the new right is going to make a major difference in how things are

00:45:07.460 operated but it also sidelines a lot of the legacy right that thought that they were going to have

00:45:13.840 control of a lot of this i mean clearly heritage with project 2025 thought that they were going to be

00:45:18.720 the ones who were going to be staffing and running the organizations that were fighting wokeism uh but

00:45:25.060 you know was trump working with elon to create the you know efficiency department of the u.s government

00:45:30.940 it seems no it's the new right who's going to be staffing a lot of this stuff and i think that

00:45:36.340 one of the biggest realizations that the legacy gop has to have is that the new right is the one

00:45:44.520 like it's the faction that the base fundamentally trusts the most right now or at least trump

00:45:50.440 fundamentally trusts the most right now and it's the group that seems to be being positioned to be

00:45:56.240 the core faction moving into the next century of what republicanism is and so when they attack these

00:46:04.620 individuals for appearing weird or nerd-like or you know breaking from their rules here or there

00:46:11.160 they are just isolating themselves from positions of power and i think that we've seen this with you

00:46:16.120 know some of the heritage foundation people we've talked to where they realize that they need to

00:46:19.420 ingratiate themselves with people like elon they can't keep saying oh he's trying to control you

00:46:24.700 with brain chips it's like oh he's actually running things now okay well you know so i think that that's

00:46:30.180 a big thing but what are your thoughts before i move further no that makes sense so

00:46:36.380 just as tea party was more an extension of gop inc the new right is more an extension or evolution

00:46:47.920 or splinter faction designed to be reintegrated of the alt-right yeah that makes sense that that checks

00:46:56.300 out for me it's a faction of the alt-right well a lot of it came out of you know when the alt-right was

00:47:01.800 rising you know what did the the quote-unquote our alt-right's intellectual elites call themselves

00:47:07.200 it was what was it the the dark intellectuals the dark oh the intellectual dark web or as the red

00:47:13.540 skirt girls calls it the intellectual dork web but but the intellectual dark web is where the new right

00:47:19.560 came out of like that was the nerds who were the predecessors of the ideology of the modern new right

00:47:26.960 yeah they were very much seen as the intellectual nerds of the alt-right however they they also and

00:47:35.660 i've noted this in another video which is important to remember when you're talking about the new right

00:47:39.800 is the new right was fundamentally born and not just a new right but the entire online right

00:47:44.300 was fundamentally born out of the online atheist movement which then had a faction that went woke and

00:47:50.240 then a faction that realized religion is actually a good thing and we need to go back to it and you can

00:47:54.660 watch our video on how the online atheist movement burst the online right but it means that one of the

00:48:01.100 pathways that you see with this new right movement is a lot of them were former atheists they were former

00:48:09.020 skeptics they were nerds basically internet nerds and that i think makes a lot of the old right really

00:48:17.740 discomforted and you can see i think oh yeah because the old right is very when we walked the halls of

00:48:25.100 nat con it felt very preppy very christian very like the kind of person who on their day off vineyard

00:48:35.960 vines sweatshirts and khakis and pastel polos you know what i mean country club the new right doesn't do

00:48:44.460 that the new right the new right does not have membership at a country club and that would be seen

00:48:50.880 as a sign of distrust among like new right individuals they'd see that they'd be like

00:48:55.820 it's it's like the anti-vulgarity like overly dressed up not being weird enough is seen as having

00:49:03.480 something to hide or playing within the old systems hierarchy and this is where one of the big divides

00:49:10.140 between the new right and the old right comes from is in the embracing of male sexuality so

00:49:16.800 as the urban monoculture gave power with the elevation of women as like a higher caste sex

00:49:24.300 than men they have begun to try to systemically remove anything that arouses male from wealth

00:49:30.460 look at the stellar butt controversy look at the there was like an outfit and then there was a tracer

00:49:38.320 butt controversy and there's oh okay the skull girls controversy where they're taking all the sexy

00:49:42.640 stuff out of that and as they did all of this they seeded because they used to be like the more

00:49:49.560 sexually open of the two parties just holistically and they sort of seeded human sexuality to this new

00:49:58.720 right faction which jumped on it really really aggressively and if people wonder well how big is the

00:50:06.160 new right faction really well they make up most of the online right right now and that's why whenever

00:50:11.320 you see one of these big battles online it is the right which is the anti-censorship faction but when

00:50:18.180 you see stuff like project 2025 they're like let's ban pornography and this can seem really incongruous to

00:50:24.140 people but what it is is it's a conflict between the new right and the old right and there really isn't a

00:50:28.200 lot of intermixing the other thing we really observed starkly at natcon this year was just the extent to

00:50:34.600 which there was and it's weird because curtis yarvin's walking around and yet they basically

00:50:39.520 know nobody else well the the the reason is well a lot of them knew us i'd say like a third of the

00:50:45.300 people there knew us the young ones did but the ones in charge but they're really only freezing

00:50:52.940 themselves out of influence if you look at the online culture wars right now this is where the

00:51:00.240 republicans of the next generation are being trained and born and everything like that and

00:51:05.980 the new right is so dominant in this culture wars battle i think that old right institutions like the

00:51:11.980 heritage foundation fundamentally don't understand that they think that they are freezing the nerds out

00:51:17.660 of the conversation like these internet vulgar internet nerds and they don't realize that what

00:51:21.560 they're doing is freezing themselves out of the conversation freezing themselves out of relevance

00:51:27.520 and power and it is catastrophically stupid and the old right really needs to back off on this stuff

00:51:37.380 because the decisions that they're making are are not just stupid from a them having any cultural say

00:51:43.820 but from a tactical perspective for the right overall if they're preaching to the choir and not realizing

00:51:50.940 that the audience is way big out there and having very different conversations and a venue they've

00:51:58.600 chosen not to enter and by not being there they're not having any sway or influence within it and if

00:52:05.060 they want their voice to be heard they have to show up in that venue correct yeah well and it's the left

00:52:10.100 has seeded the online you know sexuality right that's a huge thing that people can grab right like male

00:52:18.840 sexuality right now young men are frustrated and that's an interesting point that i would make

00:52:24.820 here is that and we talked about this in the how the online atheist community became the new right but

00:52:30.340 a big part of this transformation was siphoning from the online atheist movement to the online men's

00:52:38.100 right right red pill movement to the alt-right and so it filtered through this gender wars dynamic

00:52:46.920 which is actually really important in terms of understanding the new rights world perspective

00:52:52.460 you see the world perspective colored by the gender wars yeah yeah yeah there's there's certainly a big

00:53:03.100 role that the great awokening and progressive culture more broadly taking a step too far has played

00:53:10.360 of course in the formation of the alt-right but also to a great extent the entrance of money into the

00:53:18.160 new right well yeah but the other thing to note is i i actually think that this has been a really

00:53:23.760 brilliant play on behalf of the new right and speaking speaking as is the embracing of traditional

00:53:32.380 gay culture in america and forcing the old the the urban monoculture and the left to double down on

00:53:41.180 the idea that trans culture is gay culture and that you cannot be pro-gay without being pro the most

00:53:47.700 extreme generation of trans individuals whereas in embracing traditional like gay men huge chunks of

00:53:56.220 them in the last election cycle depending on what you're looking at 33 to 45 percent of gay men voted for

00:54:02.020 trump you know the the alt-right and the new right has done a very good job of selling to what

00:54:07.040 actually makes up the majority of the same-sex attracted audience which is gay men are you the

00:54:12.300 alt-right the press seems determined to crown me the queen of it i think that white identity and

00:54:17.020 white nationalism is a little misleading i think it's more accurate to say that the alt-right cares about

00:54:20.880 western supremacy rather than white supremacy cares about western values it cares about liberal

00:54:25.860 capitalist western democracy democratic values freedom equality that kind of thing and it sees

00:54:31.180 you know various threats to those from various fronts so when donald trump talks about preventing

00:54:36.520 uh immigrants preventing muslims from coming into the country a lot of people see that as racist you

00:54:43.300 don't think that's racist they're entitled to but all i can tell you is as a gay man i'm quite

00:54:47.140 reassured by donald trump's uh you know entreaties toward american values and his skepticism about

00:54:52.160 islamic immigration what do you mean by american values well first and second amendment freedom of speech

00:54:57.200 free expression you know the right to be do and say whatever you want these are the values that

00:55:01.580 have made america the greatest country in the history of human civilization these are values that

00:55:05.360 are not compatible with some of the islamic immigration that we see in europe if you are or if

00:55:09.580 you're not part of the of the described alt-right do you as a gay man feel comfortable in it that the

00:55:14.820 press seems determined to label the alt-right this misogynist hateful racist homophobic anti-semitic

00:55:21.440 movement and yet at the same time tries to crown you know a gay jew who never shuts up about his

00:55:27.160 black boyfriends as the leader of it something isn't quite right and now they're beginning to

00:55:31.420 really pick up gay women as well because these women don't want trans women on their dating apps

00:55:37.520 you know harassing them 24 7 going to their bars beating them up when they say they don't

00:55:43.380 have a personal preference and so now they're feeling very victimized a good way for us to pick up a

00:55:50.980 faction and the legacy right is like well how could you do this like don't you think being gay is

00:55:56.420 immoral or whatever and i'm like regardless of whether i think being gay is immoral i do not think

00:56:02.840 it is useful to ban things like gay marriage at the national level if it's losing us a voter electorate

00:56:09.060 you know we are at the end of the day right here in this for the species like we're trying to save

00:56:13.840 civilization against this homogenizing force you don't approve well too bad

00:56:20.260 we're in this for the species boys and girls it's simple numbers they have more and we should

00:56:26.140 not eschew an ally who isn't a threat to us in any way i think this is also a huge area of conflict

00:56:33.880 between the new right and the legacy right which is the legacy right is very interested in the purity

00:56:40.920 of the movement they'll say things like well what's the point of winning if x is on our side

00:56:45.560 and the new right doesn't think like that at all the new right is interested in winning we don't

00:56:51.160 we don't like we're like what what do you mean what's the point of winning if x is on our side

00:56:57.900 if we don't win kamala harris as president that's what the point of winning is if we don't win western

00:57:04.700 civilization could begin to fall apart the left has no plan for very simple and obvious problems like

00:57:12.760 demographic collapse which could easily destroy our economic and geopolitical system what's the

00:57:19.200 point of winning what an insane question we have to win we don't have a choice to play these virtue

00:57:26.940 signaling games anymore the extremist and i love what your wikipedia page says on your stance on trans

00:57:33.480 people you're like yeah i'm pro trans people just not the ones in that weird trans cult and i was like

00:57:38.540 that's a great way to put it right like if they just want to live their life i'm pro anyone but if

00:57:44.980 they want to use our academic systems and positions of power to attempt to brainwash young people into

00:57:52.160 joining their movement that's where i draw the line and i'm like that's a big problem and a lot of the

00:57:57.960 new right well this is this is a spicy comment i think on my part but i think it is representative of

00:58:03.740 the new right which is that i am just as against this idea of coercive reproductive regulation

00:58:10.760 like very restrictive ivf control or birth control access as i am against trans groups imposing their

00:58:20.940 ideology on us you know insisting for example that like you know trans men have to be allowed on women's

00:58:27.340 dating platforms which is i mean there there are a lot of very controversial things packed into that

00:58:32.440 because now suddenly i'm a turf and now suddenly i'm you know very against you know extreme catholic

00:58:39.620 views but anything any view that is going to be imposed upon everyone i'm against and that

00:58:43.960 moves i think the new right more to the center which is beneficial and i think very necessary right

00:58:49.900 now which is most people don't want to be told how to live yeah it pushes the left to defend the

00:58:56.000 undefendable it pushes them to have to defend the types of trans people who are like well

00:59:01.640 little girls are kinky too and it's like what that's a don't he said he said in this whole

00:59:10.100 trans people in bathrooms debate like well little girls are kinky too you know some of them are

00:59:14.040 i'm like whoa like you should be throwing this person out and instead they get a netflix special

00:59:18.600 like this is the type of thing that the left should be banning for their movement but they're not

00:59:22.920 they're elevating these voices and because we have essentially forced them to go out on a plank

00:59:28.540 right and it's going to eventually lose them the general public and like even if you think gayness

00:59:36.280 is immoral you don't really get to choose the morality of other people that's not the world we live

00:59:41.540 in anymore and you can't build the coalition big enough to win elections if you're just trying to

00:59:46.680 enforce your moral system anymore yeah well and back to those free market ideals that seem to be

00:59:52.680 fairly pervasive in the new right if you do really believe in your cultural values the way that you

00:59:57.740 show that those cultural values are superior and win people over to them is by having people

01:00:03.280 within that group thrive and making your group more competitive inheriting the future i do think

01:00:08.700 there's a little bit more of a long-termist view in the new right because between the intellectual

01:00:13.380 dark web element of it and the heavily moneyed future looking vcs and entrepreneurs in it you're

01:00:19.980 going to get far future views long-termism which is great yeah well a few notes here is that a lot of

01:00:29.160 people might be hearing this and be like oh so you're like a category of libertarian right because

01:00:32.920 you want this open competition and i think that this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the new right

01:00:38.800 and it causes a lot of people to not see this is a fundamentally new political movement uh that's goals

01:00:45.220 are very different than the libertarian political movement the goals of the new right first and

01:00:50.120 foremost the thing they care about about all other things is protecting people from the urban monoculture

01:00:56.080 and ultimately the defeat of the urban monoculture and then once the pakistan romana of the urban

01:01:01.480 monoculture falls a defeat of the savage people these are the people who got through the fertility collapse

01:01:08.660 by becoming incredibly xenomorphic i disagree actually what do you i i think the the the new right

01:01:15.960 is more of it's less about defining itself in opposition of another group a big bad aka the urban monoculture

01:01:24.760 and it's more about

01:01:27.320 reintroducing free market principles and and and and increasing efficiency that's why you have this concept

01:01:37.900 of the department of efficiency with musk strongly strongly strongly strongly disagree they don't

01:01:41.980 care about decreasing increasing efficiency they want things to run better they they care about

01:01:46.480 economic policy they don't care about it for its own sake they care about it from a from a

01:01:51.460 consequentialist perspective i.e if it can help our country beat other countries it's useful yeah if it

01:01:57.380 can help our country in like like eventually humanity end up taking to the stars yeah i mean of course they

01:02:02.660 want things to run better so that humans can thrive but yeah if it can keep civilization from

01:02:07.560 collapsing but that's very different from the libertarian mindset the libertarian mindset

01:02:13.180 is that there is an intrinsic ethical good often towards this freedom extra freedom perspective

01:02:20.280 more freedom is good is inherently good itself is good the new right believes freedom is good

01:02:29.600 in so far as it has utility so you can see somebody like curtis yarvin or something like that

01:02:35.520 as a great example of one of the new right thinkers and he definitely you know for him he's a monarchist

01:02:40.180 right like he definitely wouldn't be seen as like a libertarian type but he fits in very well with the new right

01:02:47.060 because he is hypothesizing alternate societal models that might be more efficient or more effective

01:02:53.960 in the socio-political context we find ourselves in why do most of the new right take libertarian looking

01:03:01.280 ideas or perspectives it's because they see that as the most efficient position right it works better

01:03:07.800 for the short term yeah but they are not ideologically libertarian in and of itself like i am not a

01:03:15.360 libertarian if another system could be shown to work better for example sam altman will do something

01:03:20.860 on this soon who's sort of in this room and he recently did this big ubi test does universal basic

01:03:25.360 work and basically it showed it made people poorer we'll get to that in a different episode but i can't

01:03:30.860 wait for that i'm so excited to dive into this research if it had shown that ubi worked i would

01:03:36.640 have been like oh great let's try to work that into our economic policy especially with the ai revolution

01:03:42.300 yeah because it's showing the ubi didn't work i'm like no let's not do that we are and i think that

01:03:48.780 this shows what i mean when we're like yeah we're libertarian win and you see this with like jd

01:03:53.980 vance as well he's taking a lot of positions that can work pretty socialist to some people like you

01:03:59.520 know a rising minimum wage and stuff like that and if i do it he does it to win like winning the

01:04:06.120 culture war matters more and the culture war here isn't like the american culture war we mean like

01:04:12.800 the war for civilization because the way that we see it is the urban monoculture doesn't really have

01:04:18.440 a long-term plan for civilization it's really just trying to well basically burn things down

01:04:24.080 it sees humanity as an intrinsic evil and it wants humanity eventually gone and it's about trying to

01:04:30.200 live as hedonistically as it can for the the short term right and i think that that's where this

01:04:36.100 movement really is not that libertarian in its leanings and will make compromises on libertarian

01:04:41.620 principles really really quickly in a way that can seem sort of shocking to members when they're like

01:04:47.240 wait i thought you were traditional conservative and it's like yeah well it didn't work in this

01:04:50.780 instance that makes sense yeah that makes sense the final thing i wanted to talk about with this

01:04:57.440 movement is i want to get really into within online faces better defining what it is better understanding

01:05:04.400 what it is and labeling it because for a lot of these movements part of them coming to exist in a

01:05:10.900 wider context is somebody out there saying this is a thing that's happening

01:05:16.040 this is a movement or a group and we need to be paying attention to it and when the new right i think

01:05:24.280 is really going to form in the minds of the general public is when there's the first press piece really

01:05:29.100 freaking out about it in the new york times you know that's when the alt-right comes to exist that's

01:05:33.200 when the tea party really comes to exist but i think that and a person who's done this really well

01:05:37.600 is paul vanderclay who we've been on his show he's been on our show he talks a lot about this

01:05:41.760 little corner within online environments and he sort of created the concept of this corner of people

01:05:46.920 who talk about like and made it a thing by labeling it and talking about it yeah and he would humbly

01:05:54.660 argue i imagine if you were sitting here that oh well i didn't come up with the term other people

01:05:59.480 did and i'm just part of this little corner but the fact is he is one of the more prolific actors in

01:06:05.160 the space he's one of the louder voices because he's just so frequently publishing and therefore

01:06:11.000 his word is actually quite powerful in shaping the perception of the industry he's the one who made it

01:06:17.400 a thing not industry i should say space but you know what i mean yeah well and i think that that

01:06:23.760 the new right one we didn't make up this term it's like the term that's out there i actually got it from

01:06:28.420 an ai when i was like what do you call the iteration of conservative that this list of people would be seen

01:06:34.640 as and it's like oh this is the new right and here's like 10 other people who are in it and i

01:06:38.540 was like oh yeah that's every one of those people i agree on pretty much every one of their major

01:06:42.960 policy positions and so i was like okay well it's already a thing that exists and i'd also point out

01:06:49.820 that our only uniqueness was in the new right movement is we are probably the one of the more

01:06:57.460 prominent people that talks regularly but we aren't the only prominent person who talks regularly

01:07:02.240 richard hanania seems pretty solidly in the movement brian caplan seems pretty solidly in

01:07:07.380 the movement diana fleishman seems pretty solidly was in the movement it's just that i think that

01:07:12.000 now our podcast might be a bit bigger than any of their mouthpieces but they have more legacy appeal

01:07:18.140 than um a lot of other stuff so in a way they're higher than this and obviously the elite of the new

01:07:24.260 right is the actual tech elite like the actual king king of the new right is elon musk and i think that

01:07:32.240 that's pretty only other ones with the money yeah totally and i thought one of the things that you

01:07:35.720 mentioned that was interesting this morning is you're like the alt-right did some really smart

01:07:38.660 things where like milo would create like inside jokes and stuff like that and if you're wondering

01:07:44.540 what we mean when we're like the alt-right was the first of the right-wing movements that coded

01:07:48.280 vulgarity with authenticity i think milo is a very good example of this milo yiannopoulos yeah he would

01:07:53.860 do things like call trump daddy and everything like that i thought that that was like fun when he did

01:07:58.600 it i think a fun thing we could we could start with elon it's the big e i was telling her that's what

01:08:03.040 the emperor of mankind is called in the 40k universe and the 40k type stuff has really been drawn into the

01:08:10.520 alt-right and the new right movement like it's like a theming throughout it a lot of people called trump

01:08:14.920 the god emperor of mankind which which works because they're they're pulling from these

01:08:19.840 ultra masculine ideals but also ones that have a degree of vulgarity to them when i say vulgarity

01:08:25.200 that doesn't just mean like it's sexually disgusting or something it means that it's low culture then

01:08:30.940 we've mentioned this this is like elon musk and cat girls i mean i did promise the internet that i'd

01:08:34.820 make cat girls this is this is milo yiannopoulos and and calling trump daddy this is uh you know 4chan and

01:08:43.440 yeah well it's you can even see it in the illustration type of the memes these are you

01:08:50.260 know ms paint appearing low effort often black and white um images that are seen as kind of the

01:08:57.680 trademark of the alt-right so yeah i'm with you on that vulgarity is a sign of authenticity and

01:09:03.860 people actively trying to sort out pearl clutchers and pod people even as you're describing in another

01:09:14.080 conversation we had ayla being used as a social talisman at events causing many people who just

01:09:22.840 don't know anything about her but can't bear the very concept of her to be filtered out because

01:09:28.940 frankly they don't deserve to be at these events if they have those kinds of views absolutely yeah

01:09:34.220 and again like the new right isn't like necessarily all 100 pro ayla but they are 100 pro ayla having

01:09:41.560 the right to exist and have her opinions and i think that that's what defines them and why they use her as

01:09:47.120 like a talisman on their parties because they're like this is somebody who is having their own ideas

01:09:52.900 it's like a novel thinker and i think that that's another thing was in the new right is novel thinkers

01:09:57.980 are elevated in status above people you agree with oh yes absolutely yeah and you can see this

01:10:07.020 even championed by peter thiel with his you know sort of famous quite old question at this point which

01:10:13.200 i think is what like what is your most heretical belief or really trying to get people to focus on

01:10:19.040 their areas of differentiation rather than their areas of mutual agreement well yeah and i think a lot

01:10:24.560 of people who follow us or our podcast super disagree with us but like that they disagree with

01:10:30.220 us disagree with us but they like that at least we are trying to have unique ideas and of course if

01:10:37.140 you are trying to have unique ideas people are going to disagree with a lot of things but i think that

01:10:41.540 this elevates what is maybe one of the highest of values of the new right which is

01:10:48.820 not being ideologically captured

01:10:54.320 yes really owning your ideas and beliefs it's a big deal thing in the community for sure yeah it

01:11:05.060 encourages me i don't i don't know if the election in the united states this november is going to make

01:11:10.840 it go one way or the other honestly i think it it is its own faction and it will never really be able to

01:11:17.340 run the united states because in the end it's a little bit too too opposed to mainstream ideas to

01:11:25.100 be able to run everything i disagree really strongly on this point so i'd love to hear your thesis i think

01:11:30.780 that it could do a lot of good if the trump administration is elected into office and it

01:11:37.540 adequately empowers the new right within it which is still a big if a lot of promises appear to have

01:11:43.260 been made and a lot of people have expectations that that new right will people will be installed

01:11:47.720 within the administration but i'm one of those i'll believe it believe it if i see it people

01:11:51.900 and i do think that four years of that alone would be huge for our government but i also just think that

01:12:00.560 the united states no matter what so much bureaucracy has accumulated over time and also the average

01:12:06.800 american doesn't like weird the reason the democratic party in the u.s is using the term weird so

01:12:14.920 flamboyantly and flagrantly in its campaign materials is because a huge swath of americans don't like weird

01:12:23.140 they don't like considering new ideas they don't like change and this new right that's so pluralistic

01:12:30.400 that's so open to challenging ideas is just it's too uncomfortable i would say it's above the pay

01:12:37.420 grade of most americans i this sounds very disrespectful but i just i don't think most i don't

01:12:44.180 think a huge swath of the country wants to handle that kind of approach to life or can handle that kind

01:12:50.720 of this is the reason why they've ended up winning and why i think they're going to win more in the

01:12:55.640 future so there's three reasons the first is like in terms of when you're like will they end up running

01:13:02.000 this country my first thought is well if the united states government ends up being captured by the

01:13:06.420 wokies and then economically collapses and it loses its state infrastructure which faction of america is

01:13:12.440 going to end up running everything i'm like obviously it's the cultural descendants of the new right

01:13:17.520 because they have all of the industry all the fabs all the semiconductors all the technology

01:13:22.580 and there really isn't any other faction with the industrial capacity to like if we're talking about

01:13:29.160 like a haven state country or any sort of collapse they are the ones with the automated gun drones

01:13:35.500 with organizations that could have opposed them historically like boeing and stuff like that

01:13:40.640 being so incompetent we actually heard recently one of our friends like family members even without

01:13:46.080 another job laid up he's like worked at boeing for 20 years and he's like i cannot do this anymore

01:13:50.160 it's become too woke and the organization isn't producing anything anymore it's not producing any

01:13:55.220 innovation anymore which lowers the the other side's ability to defend themselves if they ever

01:14:00.380 really went up against a post pox romana new right but you've also got to say well could they

01:14:06.980 within a trump administration actually run things efficiently absolutely because they have one run things

01:14:13.060 before and they're really okay with disruption if they can work with and this is one of the things we're

01:14:17.720 trying to do is help people who are in the legacy right get their legal apparatus that can help protect

01:14:25.000 the new right if they're making the radical changes in the mass firings that yeah because it's one thing

01:14:29.200 you can go into twitter and fire 80 percent of the staff you can't go into the u.s government and

01:14:37.120 reading this autobiography by hr mcmaster right now i'm almost done with it and just hearing how little

01:14:45.700 control trump actually had like people freaking out when trump would give like his personal cell phone

01:14:52.940 number to other foreign leaders because every time he wanted to communicate with a foreign leader

01:14:58.320 there had to be protocol there had to be five people on the line it had to be recorded in this way if you

01:15:03.640 wanted to send a communication to him another foreign leader everything yeah they had to like

01:15:07.840 anything and he didn't have competent people to protect him from this i think he wrote some note on

01:15:12.180 mcmaster writes in his book that he wrote some note on a headline and then handed it to mcmaster and

01:15:17.040 said like hey arrange for this to be delivered to putin because he was trying to make a point about

01:15:20.900 something i can't remember what it was and it doesn't matter but mcmaster took this written on

01:15:25.900 newspaper and handed it to whatever the department is that's supposed to review it and vet it before it

01:15:32.840 goes out i mean one why is that layer there that is creepy i mean if you need to record it record it but

01:15:38.240 fedex that thing or whatever to russia and and he he encouraged this department to take their time

01:15:46.860 you know to like slow down because he really wanted to try to convince trump to not send this to putin

01:15:51.740 and just that level of sandbagging something he's the president he is he has the right to communicate with

01:15:59.360 other foreign leaders this is a weird you get the impression in tv shows that a president can just

01:16:04.940 pick up the phone and call china and call whatever nation they want no he should if he was a lefty

01:16:12.060 president he could if he was aligned with the deep state he could this is the deep state blocking him

01:16:17.780 and the deep it was quite it's a creepy book to read it is competent foot soldiers to fight against

01:16:23.840 and that's what the new right is that he didn't have before and that's why yes they can but then there's

01:16:29.740 the final thing is why is the new right so politically appealing to americans and the reason why the new

01:16:34.400 right is so politically appealing to americans and why even though the average american may not support

01:16:40.080 the new right the problem is is that as the political movements are shifting the new right

01:16:45.780 can build a winning electorate specifically what i mean by that is if you look at individuals like if

01:16:53.600 you if you look at like the the the wokes right who in the urban monoculture which which controls the

01:16:58.980 left right suppose i'm a member of the old right like i'm one of the theocrats you know i'm a

01:17:03.380 conservative catholic or i'm a conservative jew or i'm a conservative mormon or protestant or

01:17:08.460 something like that and i may have a desire like i may prefer a candidate who will enforce my value

01:17:17.360 system on other people on the urban monoculture right but when i look at two potential candidates

01:17:24.440 the problem is is that i know that at least the new right candidate will protect my family from the

01:17:30.480 urban monoculture or world work to do that so i am okay with them the problem is is that the new

01:17:37.800 right if they're deciding between a lefty who wants to enforce their culture on us or a far right like

01:17:44.080 gop inc person that wants to enforce a culture on us both are equally bad so we're not going to vote or

01:17:51.320 we'll might even vote for the lefty over over that and i think that this is one really smart of trying

01:17:57.600 to move from like the legacy right mike pence to the new right jd vance as an archetype especially

01:18:03.920 after dodds because why we saw such a blue wave in the united states after well in 2022 was suddenly

01:18:14.860 again it became the imperative it's it's back to that ai x-risk problem when you make it clear to one

01:18:22.420 group that their way of life or their very existence is threatened by your strict policies

01:18:28.700 they have to do everything they can to destroy you or fight against you or make sure someone else is in

01:18:35.560 power they have no other choice and that is why the republican party was trounced two years ago

01:18:40.300 and yes i think that there's been a lot of it's so funny to see the left in the united states trying to

01:18:50.480 keep attaching a national abortion ban to the republican party to just try to make that happen

01:18:57.500 again despite trump vehemently saying no this is a state's issue but yeah well and it being a state's

01:19:06.260 issue is very aligned with the new right and i think this is the thing like the new right was pro

01:19:11.060 him getting rid of roe versus wade like that was in our i i think that it was a very unfair supreme court

01:19:16.900 decision i don't think that it should have been a supreme court decision i think it was

01:19:19.620 unconstitutional but i also and i'm also pro and you are pro even within our state making stricter

01:19:27.300 abortion regulations but we're not pro universalized abortion restrictions i.e you know at the level of

01:19:34.560 embryos and stuff like that only once you have you know significant neural tissue growth once it appears

01:19:40.020 that that there might be 12 to 15 weeks sentience and that's where we're like okay that you shouldn't

01:19:46.800 be doing any you can watch our abortion episode or we go into a lot more thoughts on this which i

01:19:50.820 actually think is fairly aligned was most of what the new right thinks so when you say like oh i don't

01:19:56.280 think they can get behind the new right the problem is is it the new right is the only viable from a

01:20:03.040 political perspective right-leaning candidates left at the national level

01:20:08.680 and so i hope i hope people see it that way i would love to see what the new right apparatus such that

01:20:19.660 is forming do can do in four years it could do so many good things it could clean up so much

01:20:26.700 bloat and excess you know it needs to defragment our country i want to see that happen i would love to

01:20:35.360 see that happen too i love you to death simone i think it's totally doable if we attack this hard

01:20:41.360 and fast and i think it's also very important and it's something that i've been working a lot to do

01:20:45.680 that we build bridges with the legacy right and we attempt to bring them into the conversation

01:20:50.320 if they don't want to be a part of the mainstream right conversation these days if they want to talk in

01:20:57.060 their echo chambers that's fine but they're eventually and anybody who follows online discord knows that the

01:21:03.760 online discord is solidly aligned with the new rights value system they're eventually going to

01:21:08.180 be replaced and so we are trying to bring them on board kicking and screaming if we must and we

01:21:14.820 will probably be able to right now we're been in some talks with the heritage foundation about putting

01:21:19.400 together a conference that's for like rising right-wing influencers and bringing them into the

01:21:24.580 traditional like halls of power within conservative politics and having direct lines of communications with

01:21:29.840 policymakers but also having a lot of organizations whether it's the claremont group or american moment or

01:21:33.660 whatever heritage foundation have a way to talk with these individuals and maybe even have these

01:21:38.760 individuals vet things before they throw them out there like project 2025 and be like hey this is not

01:21:44.580 what the base wants we could make a lot of progress yeah because i think the point is and this is really

01:21:49.760 important the establishment gop knows how to navigate the deep state knows where points of pressure why did

01:21:59.260 they fail under trump it's because they're traitorous and they've always been traitorous and trump knows

01:22:04.480 that and that's why he isn't working with heritage foundation right now and that's why he chose jd

01:22:07.940 vance as his running mate in what way do you think they're traitorous fundamentally they don't believe

01:22:12.900 this perfect example i was at the natcon and i was talking with some of these people and i wanted to

01:22:18.900 say what group they were from and i was like why are you doing this this isn't what the base wants and they

01:22:23.040 said f the base the base are like a bunch of stupid rednecks they are traitorous they don't care about

01:22:29.520 the american people they don't care about trump's agenda and they are not real friends of republicans

01:22:35.960 they have always thought that they know better than you what you should be doing and what you should

01:22:40.980 want and they look upon the trump voter base with the same disdain that the far left urban monoculture

01:22:49.320 and other deep state individuals do so you just want to cross the aisle because it doesn't sound

01:22:54.160 like you want to cross the aisle here i want to cross the aisle to bring the ones who are willing

01:22:58.780 to treat our people with respect over and say oh i see that the base doesn't want this and i'm willing

01:23:05.960 to and when i talk with the heritage foundation most of them are actually willing to cross the aisle

01:23:10.300 i think that a lot of the high level people are willing to cross the aisle i think that what it is is

01:23:14.960 they're low level operatives who are so excited to have gotten an internship at whatever org

01:23:19.300 they're the ones who aren't and they're the ones who need to be purged yeah we'll be clear the the

01:23:23.860 ones who said what you said they were not with heritage they were not with heritage they were

01:23:30.140 with another organization that i thought was really cool yeah they were i was really surprised about this

01:23:36.200 but it made me realize that they are not they're not all our friends and as we bring them over we need to

01:23:43.780 do it selectively and not well this same group yeah also is pretty antithetical to our wider views

01:23:49.360 and that they were like no bureaucracy is good so long as we run it the deep state's okay so long as

01:23:54.720 we run it yeah they literally said this was another group are you are you serious this is insane yeah

01:24:00.880 they said the goal of the republican should be to control and persist in control of the deep state

01:24:04.840 not the erasure of the deep state what no well i think this shows the fundamental difference between

01:24:12.220 the new right and the legacy gop that's what the legacy gop always wanted was control over the deep

01:24:16.480 state the new right wants to burn it down

01:24:18.600 yeah and i guess what's funny to me as i walk around our local area as a state rep candidate is just

01:24:31.900 the recognition from everyone else that this is like

01:24:35.580 the cheerleaders and the jocks all kind of angling for power around the locker room

01:24:45.320 while everyone else just goes about their lives and and you know like student government things they

01:24:51.800 run everything and they don't and they just i mean obviously everyone has to live in their world and it

01:24:57.880 sucks but at the same time there's just all these very disaffected people who are really just fed up with

01:25:03.940 with all of anyone who's involved in government anyone who's just like well i wish they would fix

01:25:09.000 things but i'm i've been disappointed by them enough to know that they won't and i'm just you know it's

01:25:15.520 the the turd sandwich and the giant douche once again so i love you i love you too making you

01:25:25.180 sauteed sausage with the mexican street corny gun tonight right yeah that works great okay cool well you pick

01:25:33.300 up the kids in 20 minutes and i will start yeah this went way longer than i expected it to we're

01:25:38.940 like oh we'll do a short one today so much for that but that's okay i will get to better

01:25:44.640 make them shorter it's alone i'll try to edit it down in editing i think the problem is that we really

01:25:50.780 love each other and we really like talking and we don't want to stop and this is the the quiet

01:25:57.420 happy relaxing date night that we have whenever we record i also like that i have audience keeping

01:26:04.160 me honest you know when when audience was remember like you need to be nicer to simone i was like you

01:26:08.160 know i really do i need to be nicer to you when you don't i i have this like innate reaction when

01:26:13.580 somebody doesn't immediately get what i'm trying to say where i get angry and i need to get better

01:26:18.640 about that oh and i'm learning that from our audience how to be a better husband maybe i can

01:26:24.720 just not be such a midwit how about that simone you're so brilliant you've really helped in terms

01:26:31.580 of the title cards of the show i could never make them as good without your help i've explained to you

01:26:35.680 that that is because i have the the pock on my record of a fine arts minor at gw which actually

01:26:45.880 turned out to be so useful for lighting and stuff yeah you see we're trying to get better with all

01:26:50.040 our equipment here no no no this is bad i i really need to fix it and i will knock out my promise and

01:26:54.460 my day got derailed with calls today and i'm really sorry about that and it will i'll catch up tomorrow

01:26:59.600 tomorrow's another day right tomorrow is a latter day and i'll be here for you

01:27:08.440 one of the stories i have to tell our our fans is we went to walmart and i was looking you know just

01:27:31.700 we go on morning walks and we were going on a morning walk there because we can you know put

01:27:34.820 the baby thing in one of the pushers anyway shopping carts yes and i was looking to get

01:27:42.440 some chips but i always like to get like the cheapest chips i can find and so we were looking

01:27:47.400 in the chip section and you know someone suddenly looking she goes oh you know i saw some barbecue

01:27:50.520 potato chips in the clearance section and i was like i don't remember seeing barbecue potato chips

01:27:57.040 in the clearance section and so we went back and i realized i had thought that this was

01:28:03.660 like a hair product of some sort and you will see it those of you who are watching online this is

01:28:12.360 right here this is barbecuing with my honey truffle by nikki minaj but they were so cheap they were 75

01:28:25.900 cents a bag so i decided to get some and they are you thought maybe it was just her image wasn't selling

01:28:33.720 and this was like a normal barbecue chip but with slightly different branding yeah and then people

01:28:38.100 didn't recognize that it was food like you yeah and you wouldn't recognize this as food but no it tastes

01:28:44.980 chemical toxic it tastes like pink hair dye i also can't are you sure that's not a placebo

01:28:53.780 every aspect of this packaging i can't get over with my honey so disgusting well no it just sounds

01:29:01.100 like honey barbecue chips with truffle you would say with honey not my honey oh why why did you go there

01:29:10.040 oh but this also reminds me this is another thing i was sharing with you when we're talking about

01:29:17.060 like where is this woke consumer i i love your you are in a state of like damage right now

01:29:24.100 no i don't like where i am right now so i sent you the the the list of the top you know 10 podcasts

01:29:31.640 because i decided to look it up okay and i was sort of shocked is that they're all explicitly right

01:29:37.680 leaning or i don't know who sean ryan is i'll have to look that one up so perplexity says that while

01:29:43.840 he or at least at one point identified as a democrat most of his guests are right leaning

01:29:47.660 i might be wrong about that one but you've got sean ryan who looks right leaning but i'll find out

01:29:53.400 then you've got joe rogan right right leaning candace right leaning tucker carlson right leaning

01:29:59.100 talk to it with hayley reg this is the hawk to a girl but she's doing well for herself i'm so glad

01:30:04.940 yeah that makes me happy i assume she's right leaning given she has a cowboy hat but maybe i'm wrong

01:30:10.380 and then the two under that are two that are like but it's like where is the woke audience like

01:30:15.800 they're not watching anything not even like a mildly likely they're watching mainstream media

01:30:21.300 someone has to malcolm gosh hello uh by the way the other thing i sent you that i was quite excited

01:30:27.860 about because earlier today i was like i think we might be bigger than the 87 hours podcast which

01:30:31.580 is one of the biggest podcasts in the ea space so if you go to this podcast listing site okay and i i

01:30:37.060 sent two pictures from it we're in the top three percent of podcasts they're in the top five percent

01:30:41.080 wow we're in the top three percent yeah how is that is oh well that's impressive wow well done malcolm

01:30:53.140 i i i love that the the the like branch of like the ea slash singularity movement that was right

01:31:00.360 leaning ended up uh and i think it'll be handedly so within about a year and a half the larger branch

01:31:07.040 when it was considered such an insignificant fraction like we weren't even invited to events

01:31:11.740 for a long time we still aren't invited to events they still don't like us i have been reaching out

01:31:18.240 to them one of the things we're going to talk about on this podcast is i've been trying to bridge the

01:31:21.940 divide in my outreach to podcasts recently but we'll just get started and we can we can jump right into

01:31:29.000 this yeah sorry double tasking okay

01:31:33.800 by the way the statistics might be wrong i i saw that on paul vanderclay they had him in the top one

01:31:42.320 percent that actually makes sense he has quite a dedicated following and his podcasts are quite long

01:31:48.660 he has local meetups it makes sense okay okay

01:31:52.080 plan

01:31:53.920 um

01:31:54.880 plan

01:31:56.040 um

01:31:56.880 plan is to find a bug footprints

01:31:59.560 and then what do we do

01:32:01.640 um

01:32:02.660 i don't know

01:32:05.400 should we follow the bug footprints

01:32:07.800 um yeah

01:32:09.320 oh and then what do we do

01:32:12.040 um

01:32:12.540 i don't know

01:32:13.900 should we catch the bugs

01:32:16.260 no

01:32:17.860 yeah

01:32:19.160 okay

01:32:21.540 so we'll catch the bugs

01:32:23.580 find the bugs and catch the bugs right toasty

01:32:27.540 yes

01:32:28.960 that sounds like a good plan and then no more mosquito bites

01:32:32.200 yeah

01:32:33.380 um

01:32:33.880 we

01:32:34.200 um

01:32:35.380 we

01:32:36.880 we

01:32:37.700 we

01:32:38.200 we trap

01:32:38.880 we trap

01:32:40.260 skittos

01:32:41.180 inside our bugs

01:32:43.560 and we trap skittos

01:32:46.720 inside our bug trap

01:32:49.480 and

01:32:50.380 and those

01:32:51.740 and those bugs

01:32:53.860 gotta get hurt

01:32:55.220 inside the bug trap

01:32:57.340 sounds like we've got a plan

01:33:00.260 yeah

01:33:01.380 good

01:33:03.160 do you want to go upstairs now and put on pajamas

01:33:05.540 yeah

01:33:06.740 or would you like to help me make octavian's snack first

01:33:09.760 um

01:33:10.620 i just

01:33:11.460 i just want to go upstairs

01:33:13.740 all right

01:33:14.700 i'll put you upstairs first

01:33:15.760 then we'll do octavian's snack

01:33:17.180 sound good

01:33:18.020 i love you buddy

01:33:20.420 if you gotta slice that apple

01:33:23.220 and tiny little pie

01:33:25.780 and then you gotta slice that apple

01:33:29.140 and play

01:33:30.240 those are two apples

01:33:32.420 that's for tea

01:33:34.000 and that's for me

01:33:36.080 do you want one too

01:33:37.540 yeah

01:33:38.420 you want some apple slices

01:33:40.140 no thanks

01:33:41.880 i'm good

01:33:43.160 all right

01:33:43.920 and look at this big pumpkin

01:33:45.860 you like this pumpkin

01:33:48.520 you like this pumpkin

01:33:48.580 yeah

01:33:49.600 i was standing

01:33:51.060 around around around

01:33:52.460 see

01:33:53.000 whoa

01:33:53.600 whoa

01:33:53.900 whoa

01:33:54.400 whoa

01:33:54.620 whoa

01:33:54.700 whoa

01:33:55.240 that's silly

01:33:57.120 whoa

01:33:58.020 whoa

01:33:58.240 whoa

01:33:58.620 whoa

01:33:59.240 whoa

01:34:00.240 whoa

01:34:01.240 whoa

01:34:02.240 professor are you disturbed by all this

01:34:03.940 i can't

01:34:04.820 i gotta get down

01:34:06.840 all right

01:34:07.200 all right

01:34:07.220 let's go upstairs

01:34:08.080 and get you in your pajamas

01:34:09.160 yeah

01:34:10.220 you

01:34:25.960 no

01:34:26.460 whoa

01:34:26.880 whoa

01:34:27.500 no

01:34:28.360 good

01:34:29.180 dois

01:34:29.640 no

01:34:29.960 no

01:34:30.580 no

01:34:30.940 no

01:34:31.200 no

01:34:32.200 no

01:34:33.580 no

01:34:33.700 no

Legacy GOP vs. New Right： The Right Wing ＂Tech Elite＂ Changing American Politics

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