Based Camp - Lie To Your Kids About Santa： The Evil of Honesty

00:00:00.000 hello simone it's exciting to be here with you today today we are going to be doing two things

00:00:05.440 we're going to be talking about why you should lie to your children about santa claus yes

00:00:12.640 it was always that parent and i swear to god and they act like they're taking the moral high ground

00:00:18.640 when they're talking about this i don't i don't believe in ever lying to my children right and

00:00:24.880 you're just like oh what bores no no but i also think that they haven't thought through the

00:00:31.280 disservice they do to their children yeah i think it is i'm not going to say child abuse but it

00:00:36.720 it certainly you know in that sort of territory for me they're rocking their children of a very

00:00:43.760 facet of childhood a magical child talk about that but we're also going to go into some studies on

00:00:49.120 santa claus and unfortunately i couldn't find anything what i really wanted was a study on

00:00:54.320 kids who were growing up believing and not believing in santa claus yeah there's nothing on that

00:01:00.560 at least no one's ever found any significant differences

00:01:06.080 so first sort of the the central layout of the argument here right all right the argument from

00:01:13.120 the other side that i often hear is well and i think it's important to remember whenever you're

00:01:20.560 dealing with a situation like this you need to deal with the potential benefits versus drawbacks

00:01:25.520 of both sides yes i think that both sides can pretend like there are literally zero benefits

00:01:32.480 on the other side which i think is just false right it is between the benefits and drawbacks that both

00:01:38.880 sides give you which are more benefits to drawbacks right yes in terms of child development in terms of

00:01:45.520 cultural transference in terms of building good values a healthy view of the world and getting a

00:01:50.800 full and complete childhood so the people who say i would never lie to my kids about anything the

00:01:57.120 perspective they're taking is they want the kid to feel as if there is some form of authority

00:02:04.560 they'll never betray them they want the kid to have some form of like they won't be fully emotionally

00:02:16.240 trust them if the kid knows that there was ever a time in that kid's life where they systemically

00:02:22.080 misrepresented first of all first of all this actually almost feels kind of psychotic to me so

00:02:26.720 i'll explain it why in a few steps here i don't even see this as a positive so first when your kid

00:02:34.000 leaves you and the home and goes out into the world the blindly trusting authority is a very very

00:02:42.800 negative trait to have absolutely yeah it's not a good thing to teach your kid yeah well because we

00:02:49.520 are constantly being lied to as adults how can you not teach that to children that's bad yeah but worse

00:02:56.320 than that it it's doing it in favor because the parent will say well i want them to be able to trust

00:03:02.800 me at least right like me the caregiver me the person who is is there for them oh please the

00:03:08.960 problem with this mindset is you are trying to make it which which and i'll explain where this becomes

00:03:15.920 like really twisted and almost sort of brainwashy so that everything you say to your kid is true

00:03:22.400 but that is not the case a lot of what you say is going to be based on your opinions and your 0.95

00:03:28.800 perceptions and you never know how crazy you actually are yeah like you may believe that

00:03:35.680 processed food is poison but to other people that's an overt lie and the the kids may see

00:03:41.120 that as a lie and see you as someone who lied to them and if you if you believe or convince yourself

00:03:46.000 that you've told them nothing but the truth you're going to look like a liar you're not just 0.95

00:03:50.640 going to look like a liar you're going to look like you are somebody who attempted to brainwash your 0.81

00:03:54.320 kids into believing anything you told them and that's a really weird relationship to have 0.75

00:04:00.160 with your children like your children should doubt the things you say because you are not going to

00:04:06.400 always be right and this relationship where at least with me they know that they can always trust me to

00:04:12.000 be right i don't like that at all i think that's really toxic it's like these people are actively

00:04:15.920 attempting to raise the delightful children from down the lane but then let's talk about the positives

00:04:21.360 like why you want to lie to your kids about santa claus and this actually comes to a larger

00:04:26.880 relationship we have with our kids because we don't just have santa claus in our family for example my

00:04:33.360 kids and in my son's world so my son is at school today and in my kids world yesterday krampus came

00:04:41.040 down and was scratching at their door because they had tried to hide some of their ipad like tablets

00:04:47.600 that they were watching in their bed to watch at night and so then they got scared and then daddy

00:04:52.960 came downstairs with the the sword behind me here that they they believe is a magical sword that i use

00:05:01.200 to fight off krampus and when i come downstairs this morning my oldest son is like huh krampus got

00:05:09.440 what was coming to him right he goes he should have known better than to mess with the collins family 0.95

00:05:15.280 and then he gives me like a high five for like a high five and he just loves it and then tosy wanted

00:05:20.240 to come up and give me a high five because krampus was destroyed and then after that they went to go

00:05:26.880 check on a totoro that they had in a little glass jar to see if he had moved it with a little toy

00:05:32.640 but they wanted to see if the toy had tried to escape and then they got worried that the toy

00:05:36.160 would try to escape so then daddy had to walk over and cast a magic spell of protection on the jar to

00:05:42.640 keep the toy in eight and then the middle kid became upset because i cast a spell but i didn't

00:05:50.560 have a cape on and so we had to explain how capes worked and whether daddy was a superhero or not

00:05:57.760 and i explained to them i go that's why the reporters always come to our houses because i'm

00:06:00.880 a superhero and then he goes well can you fly and we went through all the superheroes who didn't fly

00:06:06.080 and i was like so to become a superhero you have to become really smart and you've got to study a lot

00:06:09.680 and you've got to you know and so in their theirs is actually a world where

00:06:16.720 when they look out from our house at night there are krampuses hiding when they go to the woods where

00:06:24.160 the swamp is there's witches in the woods right and as we point out historically this is why witches

00:06:28.880 lived in swamps because you don't want your kids going into the swamp that's why a witch lives in our 1.00

00:06:32.640 swamp the the the one of the ghouls that they talk about the most that they believe lives in our house

00:06:38.240 or the the tommy knockers and they live in a cave down well an old mine shaft down one of the

00:06:44.320 pathways that you can get to from our house and they're like oh that's where the tommy knockers are 0.98

00:06:49.040 and they'll tell other people about it like we'll be walking by the mine shaft and they'll tell

00:06:53.200 them they'll be like watch out for the tommy knockers you better watch out for the people are 1.00

00:06:57.440 always soaked they're like okay okay yeah sure and everybody just innately goes along with it

00:07:04.560 the one that they've gotten into more recently too from the internet is one is six the six seven

00:07:10.240 boys seven he spawns behind trees yeah he thought he saw a six seven boy a in toasty's bed which was

00:07:17.840 like a dark figure of a child who is scary and he thought he saw his hand reaching into his bed

00:07:23.120 and so i told him that the six seven boy comes if you watch bad youtube shows that are not good

00:07:27.680 for your brain and so now he's afraid of watching bad youtube channels but we also talk about how to

00:07:32.480 like ward off the six seven boy and how to and the other one is is eaters there's all sorts of eaters

00:07:38.560 in the world there's train eaters and slide eaters and house eaters and what i've learned is i think an

00:07:45.040 eater is like a normal object like a train or a house but if you go into it it will eat you

00:07:51.760 yeah and so you've got to and i think this comes to the category of youtube videos because i've seen

00:07:58.640 them right like the youtube whatever it's so yeah how these memes emerge i've yet to see a youtuber do

00:08:05.360 an expose on the eater meme have you searched i i should i yeah i haven't i haven't i will search

00:08:15.600 actually no search no yeah but anyway the the point here being is that if our kids are imagining

00:08:23.760 something be it a six seven kid or eaters or if they're not imagining something or or totoro being

00:08:30.880 alive right well i told them that oh you told them that yeah so we just yes and or continue to build on

00:08:38.560 that so they live in a world like my kids actually grow up in a reality from their perspective

00:08:46.000 where toys come to life and magic exists and there's monsters outside the house daddy battles

00:08:53.040 was a sword that's the world that they live in it is the world of childhood the first thing i pull

00:08:59.920 up it just combines the six seven kid and the slide eater really the missing six seven kid and the slide

00:09:06.240 eater this is the slop that our children love

00:09:15.360 hey i like that they like horror right oh my god yeah there's just there's just so much of it

00:09:21.360 and then like when kids get caught in this they just can't like it's a it's a slide here the two

00:09:28.320 parents holding their kid's leg who's half eaten by the slide it's so good

00:09:39.040 yeah there's there's no there's no explanations of it it's just slop for children

00:09:46.480 i almost i almost want to try making child slop to see how well a child slop channel does if we

00:09:51.200 like i mean i'm looking at these these videos and it's the 480k views the one with the parents that

00:10:01.680 we're just looking at 15 million views the the one with the yellow slide in the teeth 187 000 views

00:10:10.880 we're in the wrong line of business yeah we're we have to come up and write script

00:10:15.280 slops about duck is calling slide eater eat duck in real life oh no oh no it's always like yeah

00:10:27.440 these like bizarre like nightmare fuel like mouth fusion with like toys but the point is that our kids

00:10:36.240 live in that world and you can be like oh well that's not healthy for kids to live in a world of

00:10:40.640 fantasy it's like that is the world that all children used to live in right yeah that is the

00:10:46.480 world that when you watch your cartoons whether it's adventure time or like one of the ones where

00:10:50.480 like the kid goes into kid world right it's flippy slide eater it's all about it's it this is it's

00:10:56.320 like slide eater it's the otp of eat flippy yeah oh my god things things in the child's life slides at

00:11:06.640 playgrounds and blippy yeah yeah you get slide eaters yeah but the point being is is oh and the

00:11:15.520 little the other like other things that they believe our daughter believes that she needs to

00:11:20.320 learn to act like a lady so that she can go to princess school because they want to take her to 0.99

00:11:25.200 the castle to learn to be a princess yeah and all of these things are just like narratives that they

00:11:32.080 have going on in their daily lives yeah in other words i mean kids do this by themselves anyway among

00:11:37.920 themselves and what's different maybe about our household that i haven't seen in every household

00:11:42.880 is that we yes and with them so if they give us a narrative we just play into it and sometimes we

00:11:49.200 will seed the narratives ourselves like our kids finding this there's a little it's a terrarium jar

00:11:55.280 with a little clay totoro in it that my friend my high school friend amy made for me

00:11:59.600 that i had from my childhood and the kids found it and we're like what's this and i'm like oh it's

00:12:03.520 totoro he's alive like and then they'd like ignore him for a bit like oh my god totoro moved and then

00:12:09.200 they run up to it and they're like oh he moved um and just like to make to bring things alive like that

00:12:16.000 we just we just either seed it or contribute to it and then continue with it that's it it's so

00:12:21.040 simple and it's way more fun than being a curmudgeon but it's not just about curmudgeon versus

00:12:26.400 non curmudgeon imagine the life of two children right um suppose a child lived in our household

00:12:33.040 and you know would go to stay with the people who care for him during the day during the day

00:12:36.240 they come back at night they play with us on weekends and other than that they're in a house

00:12:40.960 right like that's a very contained and quite boring and unstimulating life for that child's imagination

00:12:49.360 right you can talk about things outside of the house that matter to adults you could talk about

00:12:55.600 being an astronaut or you could talk about you know going into space or you could talk about

00:13:00.800 driving a train i guess or being a police officer but in reality while a child's mind will

00:13:08.160 you know briefly flirt with these sorts of ideas they're never really going to grab onto them in a

00:13:14.000 in a very tight like it's it's it's a very sort of gray world that you're putting the child in

00:13:19.600 because the child just doesn't care about adult concepts as much like getting a job one day 30

00:13:26.000 years from now after elementary school middle school high school and college and a graduate degree and

00:13:32.080 then a beginning of a career and then they're an astronaut you know like you are seeding their you're

00:13:39.600 you're trying to get them excited about stuff that kids are just not designed to get excited about

00:13:45.440 and so they live in this world where they may create imaginary scenarios with their siblings but

00:13:54.960 when they try to tell the caregivers in their lives about those imaginary scenarios the caregiver is just

00:14:00.880 like no that's not real like the source of authority is a source of kill joy it's a source of of of

00:14:08.320 of sort of killing unbridled imagination and exploration and and worse exploring taboo topics

00:14:15.120 right like what is it what is that really for a kid but sort of metaphysical exploration of reality

00:14:21.280 right and so they well i don't know so the way that i view kid play in development is that as you

00:14:28.080 pointed out in other episodes there are various sort of like stimuli that really get us at different

00:14:34.240 points in our lives that are important to recognize like there are stages and where we are now personally

00:14:40.800 as late 30s adults is we're very much all about family and we get so much fulfillment and happiness

00:14:47.760 from being with our kids and building a really strong and safe environment for them and people in their

00:14:55.600 20s get a lot of fulfillment from exploring and meeting new people and going out into the world

00:15:01.440 and people in their teens are really they get a lot out of like social acceptance and cohesion

00:15:07.760 and engagement and then kids it seems like the key things is with play is testing your own boundaries

00:15:16.160 testing other people's boundaries so understanding sort of where basic social rules are obtaining resources

00:15:22.480 which is super super important and avoiding death like basically like discovering how to not die

00:15:29.840 um and that is why games like hide and seek like tag are so big what do you mean by obtaining resources

00:15:38.160 obtaining resources is like fighting over toys competing for parents resources fighting for parents

00:15:45.920 affections yeah like attention yeah so it's really in your very earliest stages it's almost like you're

00:15:52.880 climbing up maslow's hierarchy of needs in your interests in life but it shows up in the type of play that

00:15:58.400 you find most stimulating at any given life stage and for kids the play that stimulates them the most

00:16:05.520 has to do with sort of violent life or death survival and understanding basic rules and boundaries of

00:16:11.440 society plus obtaining the resources that you need for survival and while kids appear to be fighting over 0.81

00:16:17.600 stupid stuff like oh that you know toy that you guys found discarded broken on the sidewalk that now every 0.98

00:16:23.760 sibling is fighting over even though it's a piece of trash and they have really great toys at home 1.00

00:16:29.040 the reason why they're fighting over that piece of trash is because like they are

00:16:33.200 they are conditioned to to to there's like a a drive to fight over resources to help them home the skills

00:16:42.240 they need to get resources throughout their lives to survive and i want to talk about crampus here because

00:16:48.480 people can be like well that's just like a purely negative thing that you've invented for your

00:16:51.680 no it's about survival like all the stuff like and and kids seek out these obsessed obsessions

00:16:57.040 with predators with slide eaters with crampus they they they want predators in their lives right and

00:17:04.000 that's that's the point i was going to get to which is to say that in the before time before schools

00:17:10.080 became weird before parents became weird the type of imaginary play that kids sought out the most other

00:17:18.000 than two factions fighting against each other which is a big type cowboys and indians etc yes is scary 0.87

00:17:24.320 stories if you go with a group of kids and they're doing a sleepover the scary stories are the first

00:17:32.080 thing to come out right like that is just a a really like critical thing for them is just

00:17:38.400 doing the scary stories reading the scary stories attempting to scare each other absolutely

00:17:44.560 even in my generation one of the most popular books and they tried to neuter it with scary

00:17:49.040 stories to tell in the dark oh my gosh yes you have the horrifying images from that if you haven't

00:17:53.440 gotten that for your kids i don't know what's wrong with you i'll show images on screen here for

00:17:57.440 somebody who hasn't seen it but it's a genuinely scary book for children and they tried to recently

00:18:02.240 make the images less like mortifying to children and nobody bought it and they went back to the original

00:18:06.640 images because they're like well the images are the problems i know the images are the reason anybody

00:18:10.960 buys this the stories are fine it's like folk tales but the the point i'm making here is to build on

00:18:17.520 what simone is saying which is the kids for appropriate mental development seek out scary

00:18:24.480 phenomenon the world of monsters and ghouls is a world that is exciting to them and and monsters and

00:18:33.520 ghouls that are dangerous i think an interesting thing that happened with a lot of children's toys i want to

00:18:39.920 say like the generation before this one um was that they realized that kids have a fascination with

00:18:46.240 monsters and ghouls and so then they tried to make everything about nice monsters and ghouls

00:18:51.360 oh it's cute like monster monster yeah i'm a pretty monster yeah

00:19:00.240 well there you know i i actually like the the monster high shows i thought that they were i know you

00:19:04.880 you like the aesthetic it's fine but like they aren't they aren't predators they are humanized

00:19:11.280 and the point of the reason why kids like these is they like that they're afraid of them they like

00:19:17.440 planning fortifications against them like our kids like locking up the house planning how they're going

00:19:22.880 to attack the aggressor defending themselves against the aggressor like it is it is something they deeply

00:19:29.120 enjoy the way that a good old-fashioned american loves prepping you know about like the classic

00:19:36.240 cartoons right like the most classic of classic cartoons i'd say is scooby-doo in in terms of like

00:19:41.520 the what i think of in terms of like really long run time cultural impact and scooby-doo is just true

00:19:48.800 crime but for children like it it literally is it's the kids go somewhere they're trapped in a place it's

00:19:56.880 literally like a horror movie set up in every episode with like bats flying overhead a broken

00:20:01.840 down van they have to knock on the abandoned mansion there are ghosts or ghouls or goblins

00:20:07.840 inside the mansion and then they have to figure out who's never actually i mean yeah i i hear you but

00:20:13.600 it's not i wouldn't say that's that's why i say true crime it's true crime combined with ghosts

00:20:19.280 and ghouls and goblins and i think that this can be surprising to people because you and i have such

00:20:24.000 a materialist outlook on reality like while we are a type of christian we don't even believe in like

00:20:29.440 souls that are a separate thing from the body right we are materialist like metaphysical materialist

00:20:35.280 christians right and i think that that a lot of people see that as a very extreme position and yet

00:20:40.320 we're almost as extreme in the opposite direction when it comes to children one of the reasons why i

00:20:46.400 might feel this way is one because this is how i was raised as a kid but two because i think because

00:20:51.920 i was raised this way as a kid it allowed me to sort of

00:20:58.080 get that part of exploration out of my system so i didn't need to pretend things as an adult were real

00:21:04.960 that aren't real because i think what happens if you deny this to children is they start to and i

00:21:12.560 think you see this with teens right so what you should see like a correct i think trajectory for

00:21:18.240 children is as a child becomes a teen they know that most of that imaginary stuff that they thought

00:21:24.640 was true when they were younger isn't actually true but they still explore you know light of the

00:21:31.520 feather stiff at a board at a birthday party or a ouija board at a birthday party or sleepover or you know

00:21:38.320 they they may do that game where like you know you do the four things and then you choose how

00:21:43.920 many you know the girls make them at school and they tell the future a cootie catcher yeah i'll put

00:21:48.560 the south part clip about them here but yeah what if i were to tell you that the girls have a device 1.00

00:21:53.840 which allows them to see into the future my turn my turn do me now okay baby what do you want to

00:22:00.960 know i want to know if i'm going to live in a big mansion in the future okay pick a color blue b-l-u-e i

00:22:07.200 pick another color red okay okay will baby live in a big mansion in the future definitely yes all right

00:22:19.520 where did they get that thing oh my god how does it know the answer gentlemen we have to get our hands

00:22:26.160 on that device something like that right and and this is a a going down in terms of mysticism for

00:22:34.160 the kid when they were very young they believed in lots of mystical things and when they're a teen

00:22:38.720 they believe in some mystical things but not other mystical things i think they also understand that

00:22:43.760 that was child's play and that's important and so they when they're thinking about the world framing

00:22:49.680 and the way they relate relate to the world see maturation as a movement from a more mystical

00:22:58.320 or supernatural world to a less mystical or supernatural world however if you raise a kid

00:23:05.680 with a no supernatural no none of that right and then they become a teen and they are engaging with

00:23:14.640 some supernatural like ouija boards and cootie catchers and whatever that stuff is then they

00:23:21.520 they're moving in the exact wrong trajectory you want them moving in because then from there they

00:23:25.920 get into wiccanism they get into whatever right you you have put them on a trajectory right and you want

00:23:31.120 to ensure that's a downwards rather than an upwards trajectory in terms of how you're dealing with your

00:23:36.000 kids the final thing is that the it teaches them santa teaches children a very very important lesson

00:23:41.840 and almost nothing in society can help you teach children this better than santa which is that

00:23:46.960 there are things out there in the world that literally every authority figure will lie to you

00:23:52.880 about every person in society will lie to you about nasa will create a santa tracker app you know like

00:23:59.440 the news stations will pretend to cover him every little column in your life is going to say

00:24:07.440 this isn't this is this is true and that you will then find among your your kid friends a group that's

00:24:15.760 like hey guys you know like a the kid drug dealer do you believe santa's real and then some are like yeah

00:24:23.600 i do and then others are like no i know what's up and then there's the annoying kid who says do you

00:24:29.520 mean the historic santa that kid oh no i want to teach my kids to punch that kid the moment he says oh 0.83

00:24:37.120 my god it'll be like you know what we're talking about trevester 0.95

00:24:43.920 trephina

00:24:47.200 anyway so so the point i'm making here is these kids are going to grow up in a world

00:24:52.720 where everyone around them is going to lie to them right like about something like this is what

00:25:00.960 happened like is santa not a great analogy for like the corvid virus that that went around and

00:25:06.880 freaked everyone out in which the you know the cdc is telling you one thing the president's telling you

00:25:13.280 one thing the newspapers are telling you one thing but then like that group of kids you got this other

00:25:19.200 group that's like no no no man you don't know like sometimes everyone can be in on a thing and

00:25:24.880 maybe the reason you're not hearing about it is because youtube blocks any video that talks about it

00:25:29.760 maybe and then shuts down their channel and and twitter is doing the same thing and no but man

00:25:35.040 there's evidence out there you should check out man you are through santa acculturizing children

00:25:42.640 to this potentiality and i think that's really important for the world that the kids are going

00:25:48.800 to enter but yeah do you have thoughts simone i i think another really important thing about

00:25:58.160 christmas and the way that we want to do it is if you the moment you express as one of our kids

00:26:05.040 disbelief in santa that's fine you're free to not believe that also means that you don't get presents

00:26:12.160 from santa and we want our kids to understand that you have to be willing to pretend to believe

00:26:20.720 something that you know is not true that's this like societal myth in order to get certain things

00:26:28.240 because this is something it's a part of being an adult in our society today that sometimes depending on

00:26:35.520 the the group that you're mixing with you have to pretend that some things are true

00:26:40.640 that are obviously not true and or just to be cool with things that you're not cool with which is

00:26:47.040 something that everyone who's autistic in our family has to deal with to like be okay with being in a

00:26:52.800 social situation when you're not okay with being in a social situation and we we think that santa's a

00:26:59.360 really great way to teach that and it's a very playful way to teach that it's like oh okay well you didn't

00:27:06.240 get any gifts from santa this year because you didn't believe in him and you know if you don't

00:27:09.920 believe in santa you can't deliver gifts to you of course so i think that's important fun thing about

00:27:17.280 building a miraculous world around your children is that the world that you build around them can

00:27:25.760 be unique to your family so yes i tell my kids you know when they go to school or whatever where

00:27:34.960 they're interacting with other people i go well krampus only comes after collinses right like the

00:27:38.880 other kids don't have to worry about him because the future police only come for the collinses

00:27:42.720 yeah the collinses are more important than other people is what we tell them we're different we're

00:27:46.480 special yeah and we have different expectations of us right so what's really interesting is if you go to

00:27:53.840 like an orthodox jewish family or something like that the way that they differentiate their kids

00:27:57.920 when their kids go to school and they know they're different from other people is through their

00:28:01.440 different outfits and their different you know ways of dressing and and hairstyles and names and with

00:28:09.200 our kids yes they have unique names but their outfits are fairly normal other than being completely

00:28:14.880 standardized but outside of that the thing that makes their world magical and makes it that's different

00:28:21.760 for them when they're interacting with the other kids is they know oh i'm a collins and we've got

00:28:26.000 krampus and we've got the future police and we've got lemon week and we've got all of these different

00:28:31.120 holidays and traditions and monsters that other kids just do not have in their lives and for that

00:28:37.680 reason both i have more responsibility in my life but i'm also different from them and the world that

00:28:42.560 i live in is different from the world that they live in which is boring and dull and gray and i think

00:28:47.440 that that's really powerful as well you know the teacher who's like oh octavian that doesn't really

00:28:52.320 exist and and we come home and we go well that teacher is a noob octavian and he goes oh she's a

00:28:58.320 noob i'm like yeah she's kind of like an imposter if you've seen those from among us would she really 1.00

00:29:04.640 love oh my goodness oh my goodness and so you know you got to use the well that's what we always

00:29:12.560 got to tell them about all the fundraisers that they get subjected to as well that they think you're

00:29:16.960 a noob it's a trick for noobs yeah we have a separate episode coming out i don't well no it should have

00:29:24.240 come out for now a separate episode on how schools are just mlms now we are constantly hit

00:29:30.160 by with by fundraisers with our school when we recorded that episode we were hit by three at

00:29:36.400 once in one week now we're up to four only one week four yeah in one week yeah so

00:29:45.440 but actually it has prompted me to move to having our oldest at home full-time and so we'll see what

00:29:51.600 that looks like you can wait until after this summer if that's what you want to do i'm gonna leave

00:29:56.400 up to him we're gonna we're gonna ask him we'll see yeah well we'll we'll talk with him about it

00:30:02.400 to see what he thinks about it because my the only thing he learns at school is how to show for mlms

00:30:08.720 for private equity funds because that's you know the school comes home he's like oh scholastic fair

00:30:13.600 it's so interesting that i saw scholastic as such a positive brand when i was younger oh yeah i see it

00:30:18.640 as such a slimy and scammy brand yeah like like a really sort of a gross thing and as a kid i thought

00:30:24.800 it was like educational and wholesome and works with the school system

00:30:30.880 but anyway the the final thing is is if you want to have this stuff for your own kids

00:30:36.240 like just go for like kids especially the more you have like when you have a large family

00:30:41.840 kids love going along with this stuff and they will expand on these worlds significantly when they're

00:30:49.120 alone like they have you know among themselves like squads for krampus hunting they have squads for

00:30:57.360 like slide eater hunting to go on a slide eater expedition you know they gotta go and find the

00:31:02.960 slide eater so they can kill it you know they they've got all of this these these

00:31:09.520 fun ideas which i really like because it's a it's a much richer world then we're gonna go to the park

00:31:15.280 today let's look at the birds like birds might be interesting to you as an adult but they're not

00:31:19.840 as interesting to a kid right well and i think the bigger thing too is that there's a lot of resistance

00:31:25.440 now to stuff that i think is a crucial for kids development like allowing kids to fight allowing

00:31:34.240 kids to have property disputes allowing kids to push boundaries and i'm not saying like allow kids

00:31:41.040 to push boundaries by just allowing them to walk all over you i'm saying you set the boundaries like

00:31:45.920 you make it clear where those boundaries are but kids need to push them to learn where they are like

00:31:50.720 it's an interplay and to contextualize these things as bad to see it as bad when kids are afraid of

00:31:58.400 monsters to see it as bad when kids are fighting over an object or over your affections or over your

00:32:04.480 attention or among themselves that is is depriving them of really essential practice that is setting

00:32:14.000 them up to go on to greater developmental stages in life and they're not going to do well with those

00:32:19.120 greater developmental stages without these basics in place i the two final points i want to make here

00:32:24.240 is one is you can be like oh what about when your kids get older and it's like when my kids get older

00:32:28.160 they're gonna love that they can tell their friends about that weird crampus thing their dad used to do or

00:32:33.200 the you know they're no they're gonna love doing it to their younger siblings they're gonna love that

00:32:38.480 part of this i know how much i love to brag about unique family traditions when i was a kid you know

00:32:44.640 even when i was out of that stage because then it's like to the other kids well my family does

00:32:50.320 cooler things in your family yeah we're more unique we're more special the other thing that i wanted to

00:32:56.640 say was fighting fighting fighting fighting it looks so when i put my kids down to bed at night and on

00:33:02.000 the weekends right like the main way i play was in was by fighting and i think there are a few

00:33:06.160 investments you can make for your kids that are more you're gonna get more out of than like

00:33:11.760 inflatable shields inflatable bonkers you know i've been draining some of these

00:33:18.960 slightly more durable bonkers and a lot of them simone hates how many i've collected but the kids love

00:33:24.320 bonking and they've got their shields to protect or just running at each other from across the room with

00:33:28.160 a shield that was one of the ends at one of the videos where they just started on either side of

00:33:32.160 a room and just started running at each other smack and i was like guys have at least inflatable shields

00:33:39.840 the next time you do this then i got those big round inflatable like round their body bumpers now for

00:33:45.280 them to run around and hit each other with but the point being is kids love play fighting and uh you know

00:33:52.320 i know there's all these things that say like read to your kid before they go to sleep i do not i just fight

00:33:56.320 them i'd chase them around and tickle them and there was actually a study that shows that like

00:34:00.160 getting wound up before they go to bed helps kids sleep better which is what got us into this it was

00:34:03.920 sent by a fan and it convinced me to just give up reading because i didn't find it fun they didn't

00:34:08.960 find it as fun and move entirely to fighting before they go to bed so there's that the final thing is the

00:34:14.800 studies on santa the average age yeah actually do you know the average age kids stop believing in santa

00:34:19.840 eight eight eight is exactly it does not surprise me when kids decide they know absolutely everything

00:34:29.360 about the world some go on to hold the beliefs until they're 15 or 16 as they should which seems

00:34:36.720 pretty old we're gonna have a 15 year old on the show in the near future he's agreed and we've we've

00:34:41.920 done follow-up with him well he said he said he said we'll see after what was it winter break or

00:34:47.840 some winter break yeah winter break so it is no no because we don't know yet it would come after

00:34:53.920 no i can talk about it at least i think our fans would be excited to know so destiny's kid might be

00:34:59.440 coming on which i'd be really excited about because you know he's gotten in trouble for saying like nazi

00:35:03.840 stuff online and i'm just sort of interested how somebody of his generation and his age builds his

00:35:08.800 world we're like you can't trust anything you hear from anyone like everyone is a shill nobody 0.99

00:35:15.120 trusts the media anymore wikipedia is completely institutionally captured ai is maybe the most

00:35:20.960 crazy the news is crazy where do you yeah where do you even go yeah like how are you building your

00:35:27.440 world framework like i don't even care about the nazi stuff i'm like whatever you're 15 what i care

00:35:31.680 about is how do you come to any decision anymore at this age right yeah i mean so i'm really excited

00:35:37.280 i hope that that happens and we gotta we gotta interview other other people's kids that's the other

00:35:40.960 thing that i'd love to do as a show is interview more like young people like i'd say like 14 to

00:35:47.120 like 17 about their like world structure because i find that to be personally fascinating and i think

00:35:54.720 it will help us predict where our kids are going to go in terms of building those sorts of world

00:35:58.880 structures i feel like we plus a lot of parents would probably want to know right like how are kids

00:36:05.280 these days learning what what it is they learn yeah yeah so there's that and any final thoughts

00:36:13.680 simone i love this time of year i love this holiday i hope everyone has a very happy christmas if you

00:36:21.360 need a little more fun after christmas consider future day we need to like put out guidance on how to

00:36:28.160 celebrate a future day at some point do you want to do an episode on that next oh i guess we'll do the

00:36:32.320 one that i had prepped but we can yeah but we should also just make like a quick like how to

00:36:37.600 pdf just like here are the steps here are the supplies you need we just make available readily

00:36:42.800 for anyone without watching anything the kids like future day much more than christmas i can tell you

00:36:46.800 that it's by far their favorite holiday love christmas doesn't have one of the things we got them for

00:36:51.920 future day as you know those glowing ball things that you could like put your fingers on and move in

00:36:56.560 it and they're not that expensive they're like 15 bucks now like 25 bucks or something

00:37:00.480 for like a decent like glass one and you we tell them that they can talk to the future police by

00:37:05.760 using the thing and so they love doing that they love doing that they think it's so fun yeah

00:37:13.360 it's delightful love you to death simone have a great day i love the way we do

00:37:20.160 did you get to comments today i did people enjoyed it

00:37:24.000 i think there's a low intellect one in the episode as the left trying to sort of fob this off like

00:37:34.880 make it a thing to make people miserable because that's kind of how people read it that like

00:37:39.440 with this title card framing was like the new york times is trying to make divorce cool and it's like

00:37:44.320 the new gen z yeah and so i think the framing within the title card more than the episode itself

00:37:50.160 that makes sense but they were doing it i mean it was a a true thing the they were definitely being

00:37:55.520 like and now there's divorce influencers yeah well and there are divorce influencers but there

00:38:02.640 are also toilet cleaning influencers so you know

00:38:08.080 yeah that for what it is are you aware of this by the way wait there's toilet cleaning influencers i 0.99

00:38:13.520 i am not why why do you watch that simone do we need to have a conversation 0.99

00:38:19.600 is that your new fetish because i'm not no no as you can tell from the state of our toilets it's not

00:38:26.800 apparently my thing probably you say that but it's actually true it's the only thing in our house that

00:38:32.400 you do not fastidiously clean i because i just i even clean them sometimes which is crazy i don't

00:38:38.160 know if you notice we need to you know what black friday is coming up i'm gonna just buy proper

00:38:46.880 brush sets because the big issue i think that the bigger problem is that

00:38:52.880 our kids are around the toilets all the time and so i can't leave the brushes out

00:38:58.480 because then the kids will play with them like swords and that's not great and so then it's really

00:39:05.200 inconvenient to clean the toilets because you have to go to a secure room to obtain the toilet brush

00:39:13.280 and then bring it down and get the toilet soap and bring it over that sounds like an excuse and i'm

00:39:20.160 always with the kids when i clean and so then it means i have to leave the kids and then if i leave the

00:39:24.800 kids they're going to inevitably break something or make a bigger mess and then i've just produced

00:39:31.840 functionally a larger mess in an attempt to clean up the contained mess that is a dirty toilet

00:39:39.040 but yeah it is an excuse anyway any fun comments where you were like oh that's an interesting way of

00:39:44.720 looking at it or

00:39:50.400 everyone always has interesting things to say i nothing in particular stands out now but i think

00:39:54.880 that's where the sleep deprivation speaking than the nature of the comments

00:39:58.160 it's all right well then i will get started

00:40:05.200 all right

00:40:14.080 yeah i wore that helmet in the war toasty

00:40:18.160 what how can i daddy it was in the future war do you not remember that one no i like the red

00:40:24.640 fighter on it and the golden the red what the red powder and the golden on it oh and so daddy had to

00:40:33.040 wear that when i when i was in the war why you fight in the war yeah you fight in war i fought in the future

00:40:42.640 war who was your opponent who was my opponent but where's your horse where is your horse it was my

00:40:52.080 opponent was krampus's forces so krampus had a big army of demons and that's who we and i was fighting for

00:40:59.680 the future police what you mean you're attacking krampus in the battle no i was just fighting his

00:41:09.200 forces he has a large army oh no make sure you don't drop that

00:41:18.000 torsen are you excited to have a dad who fought in the great future war are you one of the future

00:41:24.000 police in there am i one of the what torsen yeah i was fighting for them you're gonna have to fight

00:41:32.640 in the future war one day

00:41:37.600 so daddy are you one of the

00:41:41.520 um well the thing i'm no i worked for them so the real thing

00:41:49.040 well so the krampus's forces they were all communists which is what you need to know about 0.97

00:41:53.680 them okay and that means they're very dangerous yeah yeah how many people believe in crap i don't 0.99

00:42:02.960 know i think the bigger question is how many people believe in communism if you believe crap 0.98

00:42:08.800 okay but octavian have you ever seen a real communist before what's a communist does y'all make your own 0.92

00:42:15.040 communist there are people who want to take everyone's stuff they're like thieves they want to take

00:42:22.720 everything from everybody i know they are crappy i bet many of your teachers might be communists 0.98

Based Camp - December 15, 2025

Lie To Your Kids About Santa： The Evil of Honesty

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