Lie To Your Kids About Santaļ¼ The Evil of Honesty
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the pros and cons of lying to your kids about Santa Claus and why you should or shouldn't lie to them about it. We discuss the benefits and drawbacks to lying to kids about it and why it may not be a good thing to do.
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hello simone it's exciting to be here with you today today we are going to be doing two things
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we're going to be talking about why you should lie to your children about santa claus yes
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it was always that parent and i swear to god and they act like they're taking the moral high ground
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when they're talking about this i don't i don't believe in ever lying to my children right and
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you're just like oh what bores no no but i also think that they haven't thought through the
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disservice they do to their children yeah i think it is i'm not going to say child abuse but it
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it certainly you know in that sort of territory for me they're rocking their children of a very
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facet of childhood a magical child talk about that but we're also going to go into some studies on
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santa claus and unfortunately i couldn't find anything what i really wanted was a study on
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kids who were growing up believing and not believing in santa claus yeah there's nothing on that
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at least no one's ever found any significant differences
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so first sort of the the central layout of the argument here right all right the argument from
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the other side that i often hear is well and i think it's important to remember whenever you're
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dealing with a situation like this you need to deal with the potential benefits versus drawbacks
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of both sides yes i think that both sides can pretend like there are literally zero benefits
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on the other side which i think is just false right it is between the benefits and drawbacks that both
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sides give you which are more benefits to drawbacks right yes in terms of child development in terms of
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cultural transference in terms of building good values a healthy view of the world and getting a
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full and complete childhood so the people who say i would never lie to my kids about anything the
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perspective they're taking is they want the kid to feel as if there is some form of authority
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they'll never betray them they want the kid to have some form of like they won't be fully emotionally
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trust them if the kid knows that there was ever a time in that kid's life where they systemically
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misrepresented first of all first of all this actually almost feels kind of psychotic to me so
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i'll explain it why in a few steps here i don't even see this as a positive so first when your kid
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leaves you and the home and goes out into the world the blindly trusting authority is a very very
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negative trait to have absolutely yeah it's not a good thing to teach your kid yeah well because we
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are constantly being lied to as adults how can you not teach that to children that's bad yeah but worse
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than that it it's doing it in favor because the parent will say well i want them to be able to trust
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me at least right like me the caregiver me the person who is is there for them oh please the
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problem with this mindset is you are trying to make it which which and i'll explain where this becomes
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like really twisted and almost sort of brainwashy so that everything you say to your kid is true
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but that is not the case a lot of what you say is going to be based on your opinions and your
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perceptions and you never know how crazy you actually are yeah like you may believe that
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processed food is poison but to other people that's an overt lie and the the kids may see
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that as a lie and see you as someone who lied to them and if you if you believe or convince yourself
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that you've told them nothing but the truth you're going to look like a liar you're not just
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going to look like a liar you're going to look like you are somebody who attempted to brainwash your
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kids into believing anything you told them and that's a really weird relationship to have
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with your children like your children should doubt the things you say because you are not going to
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always be right and this relationship where at least with me they know that they can always trust me to
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be right i don't like that at all i think that's really toxic it's like these people are actively
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attempting to raise the delightful children from down the lane but then let's talk about the positives
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like why you want to lie to your kids about santa claus and this actually comes to a larger
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relationship we have with our kids because we don't just have santa claus in our family for example my
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kids and in my son's world so my son is at school today and in my kids world yesterday krampus came
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down and was scratching at their door because they had tried to hide some of their ipad like tablets
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that they were watching in their bed to watch at night and so then they got scared and then daddy
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came downstairs with the the sword behind me here that they they believe is a magical sword that i use
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to fight off krampus and when i come downstairs this morning my oldest son is like huh krampus got
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what was coming to him right he goes he should have known better than to mess with the collins family
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and then he gives me like a high five for like a high five and he just loves it and then tosy wanted
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to come up and give me a high five because krampus was destroyed and then after that they went to go
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check on a totoro that they had in a little glass jar to see if he had moved it with a little toy
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but they wanted to see if the toy had tried to escape and then they got worried that the toy
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would try to escape so then daddy had to walk over and cast a magic spell of protection on the jar to
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keep the toy in eight and then the middle kid became upset because i cast a spell but i didn't
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have a cape on and so we had to explain how capes worked and whether daddy was a superhero or not
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and i explained to them i go that's why the reporters always come to our houses because i'm
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a superhero and then he goes well can you fly and we went through all the superheroes who didn't fly
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and i was like so to become a superhero you have to become really smart and you've got to study a lot
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and you've got to you know and so in their theirs is actually a world where
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when they look out from our house at night there are krampuses hiding when they go to the woods where
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the swamp is there's witches in the woods right and as we point out historically this is why witches
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lived in swamps because you don't want your kids going into the swamp that's why a witch lives in our
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swamp the the the one of the ghouls that they talk about the most that they believe lives in our house
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or the the tommy knockers and they live in a cave down well an old mine shaft down one of the
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pathways that you can get to from our house and they're like oh that's where the tommy knockers are
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and they'll tell other people about it like we'll be walking by the mine shaft and they'll tell
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them they'll be like watch out for the tommy knockers you better watch out for the people are
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always soaked they're like okay okay yeah sure and everybody just innately goes along with it
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the one that they've gotten into more recently too from the internet is one is six the six seven
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boys seven he spawns behind trees yeah he thought he saw a six seven boy a in toasty's bed which was
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like a dark figure of a child who is scary and he thought he saw his hand reaching into his bed
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and so i told him that the six seven boy comes if you watch bad youtube shows that are not good
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for your brain and so now he's afraid of watching bad youtube channels but we also talk about how to
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like ward off the six seven boy and how to and the other one is is eaters there's all sorts of eaters
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in the world there's train eaters and slide eaters and house eaters and what i've learned is i think an
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eater is like a normal object like a train or a house but if you go into it it will eat you
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yeah and so you've got to and i think this comes to the category of youtube videos because i've seen
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them right like the youtube whatever it's so yeah how these memes emerge i've yet to see a youtuber do
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an expose on the eater meme have you searched i i should i yeah i haven't i haven't i will search
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actually no search no yeah but anyway the the point here being is that if our kids are imagining
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something be it a six seven kid or eaters or if they're not imagining something or or totoro being
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alive right well i told them that oh you told them that yeah so we just yes and or continue to build on
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that so they live in a world like my kids actually grow up in a reality from their perspective
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where toys come to life and magic exists and there's monsters outside the house daddy battles
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was a sword that's the world that they live in it is the world of childhood the first thing i pull
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up it just combines the six seven kid and the slide eater really the missing six seven kid and the slide
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hey i like that they like horror right oh my god yeah there's just there's just so much of it
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and then like when kids get caught in this they just can't like it's a it's a slide here the two
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parents holding their kid's leg who's half eaten by the slide it's so good
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yeah there's there's no there's no explanations of it it's just slop for children
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i almost i almost want to try making child slop to see how well a child slop channel does if we
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like i mean i'm looking at these these videos and it's the 480k views the one with the parents that
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we're just looking at 15 million views the the one with the yellow slide in the teeth 187 000 views
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we're in the wrong line of business yeah we're we have to come up and write script
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slops about duck is calling slide eater eat duck in real life oh no oh no it's always like yeah
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these like bizarre like nightmare fuel like mouth fusion with like toys but the point is that our kids
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live in that world and you can be like oh well that's not healthy for kids to live in a world of
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fantasy it's like that is the world that all children used to live in right yeah that is the
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world that when you watch your cartoons whether it's adventure time or like one of the ones where
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like the kid goes into kid world right it's flippy slide eater it's all about it's it this is it's
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like slide eater it's the otp of eat flippy yeah oh my god things things in the child's life slides at
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playgrounds and blippy yeah yeah you get slide eaters yeah but the point being is is oh and the
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little the other like other things that they believe our daughter believes that she needs to
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learn to act like a lady so that she can go to princess school because they want to take her to
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the castle to learn to be a princess yeah and all of these things are just like narratives that they
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have going on in their daily lives yeah in other words i mean kids do this by themselves anyway among
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themselves and what's different maybe about our household that i haven't seen in every household
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is that we yes and with them so if they give us a narrative we just play into it and sometimes we
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will seed the narratives ourselves like our kids finding this there's a little it's a terrarium jar
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with a little clay totoro in it that my friend my high school friend amy made for me
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that i had from my childhood and the kids found it and we're like what's this and i'm like oh it's
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totoro he's alive like and then they'd like ignore him for a bit like oh my god totoro moved and then
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they run up to it and they're like oh he moved um and just like to make to bring things alive like that
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we just we just either seed it or contribute to it and then continue with it that's it it's so
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simple and it's way more fun than being a curmudgeon but it's not just about curmudgeon versus
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non curmudgeon imagine the life of two children right um suppose a child lived in our household
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and you know would go to stay with the people who care for him during the day during the day
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they come back at night they play with us on weekends and other than that they're in a house
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right like that's a very contained and quite boring and unstimulating life for that child's imagination
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right you can talk about things outside of the house that matter to adults you could talk about
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being an astronaut or you could talk about you know going into space or you could talk about
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driving a train i guess or being a police officer but in reality while a child's mind will
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you know briefly flirt with these sorts of ideas they're never really going to grab onto them in a
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in a very tight like it's it's it's a very sort of gray world that you're putting the child in
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because the child just doesn't care about adult concepts as much like getting a job one day 30
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years from now after elementary school middle school high school and college and a graduate degree and
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then a beginning of a career and then they're an astronaut you know like you are seeding their you're
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you're trying to get them excited about stuff that kids are just not designed to get excited about
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and so they live in this world where they may create imaginary scenarios with their siblings but
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when they try to tell the caregivers in their lives about those imaginary scenarios the caregiver is just
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like no that's not real like the source of authority is a source of kill joy it's a source of of of
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of sort of killing unbridled imagination and exploration and and worse exploring taboo topics
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right like what is it what is that really for a kid but sort of metaphysical exploration of reality
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right and so they well i don't know so the way that i view kid play in development is that as you
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pointed out in other episodes there are various sort of like stimuli that really get us at different
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points in our lives that are important to recognize like there are stages and where we are now personally
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as late 30s adults is we're very much all about family and we get so much fulfillment and happiness
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from being with our kids and building a really strong and safe environment for them and people in their
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20s get a lot of fulfillment from exploring and meeting new people and going out into the world
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and people in their teens are really they get a lot out of like social acceptance and cohesion
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and engagement and then kids it seems like the key things is with play is testing your own boundaries
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testing other people's boundaries so understanding sort of where basic social rules are obtaining resources
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which is super super important and avoiding death like basically like discovering how to not die
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um and that is why games like hide and seek like tag are so big what do you mean by obtaining resources
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obtaining resources is like fighting over toys competing for parents resources fighting for parents
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affections yeah like attention yeah so it's really in your very earliest stages it's almost like you're
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climbing up maslow's hierarchy of needs in your interests in life but it shows up in the type of play that
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you find most stimulating at any given life stage and for kids the play that stimulates them the most
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has to do with sort of violent life or death survival and understanding basic rules and boundaries of
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society plus obtaining the resources that you need for survival and while kids appear to be fighting over
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stupid stuff like oh that you know toy that you guys found discarded broken on the sidewalk that now every
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sibling is fighting over even though it's a piece of trash and they have really great toys at home
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the reason why they're fighting over that piece of trash is because like they are
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they are conditioned to to to there's like a a drive to fight over resources to help them home the skills
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they need to get resources throughout their lives to survive and i want to talk about crampus here because
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people can be like well that's just like a purely negative thing that you've invented for your
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no it's about survival like all the stuff like and and kids seek out these obsessed obsessions
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with predators with slide eaters with crampus they they they want predators in their lives right and
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that's that's the point i was going to get to which is to say that in the before time before schools
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became weird before parents became weird the type of imaginary play that kids sought out the most other
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than two factions fighting against each other which is a big type cowboys and indians etc yes is scary
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stories if you go with a group of kids and they're doing a sleepover the scary stories are the first
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thing to come out right like that is just a a really like critical thing for them is just
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doing the scary stories reading the scary stories attempting to scare each other absolutely
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even in my generation one of the most popular books and they tried to neuter it with scary
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stories to tell in the dark oh my gosh yes you have the horrifying images from that if you haven't
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gotten that for your kids i don't know what's wrong with you i'll show images on screen here for
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somebody who hasn't seen it but it's a genuinely scary book for children and they tried to recently
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make the images less like mortifying to children and nobody bought it and they went back to the original
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images because they're like well the images are the problems i know the images are the reason anybody
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buys this the stories are fine it's like folk tales but the the point i'm making here is to build on
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what simone is saying which is the kids for appropriate mental development seek out scary
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phenomenon the world of monsters and ghouls is a world that is exciting to them and and monsters and
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ghouls that are dangerous i think an interesting thing that happened with a lot of children's toys i want to
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say like the generation before this one um was that they realized that kids have a fascination with
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monsters and ghouls and so then they tried to make everything about nice monsters and ghouls
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oh it's cute like monster monster yeah i'm a pretty monster yeah
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well there you know i i actually like the the monster high shows i thought that they were i know you
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you like the aesthetic it's fine but like they aren't they aren't predators they are humanized
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and the point of the reason why kids like these is they like that they're afraid of them they like
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planning fortifications against them like our kids like locking up the house planning how they're going
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to attack the aggressor defending themselves against the aggressor like it is it is something they deeply
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enjoy the way that a good old-fashioned american loves prepping you know about like the classic
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cartoons right like the most classic of classic cartoons i'd say is scooby-doo in in terms of like
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the what i think of in terms of like really long run time cultural impact and scooby-doo is just true
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crime but for children like it it literally is it's the kids go somewhere they're trapped in a place it's
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literally like a horror movie set up in every episode with like bats flying overhead a broken
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down van they have to knock on the abandoned mansion there are ghosts or ghouls or goblins
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inside the mansion and then they have to figure out who's never actually i mean yeah i i hear you but
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it's not i wouldn't say that's that's why i say true crime it's true crime combined with ghosts
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and ghouls and goblins and i think that this can be surprising to people because you and i have such
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a materialist outlook on reality like while we are a type of christian we don't even believe in like
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souls that are a separate thing from the body right we are materialist like metaphysical materialist
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christians right and i think that that a lot of people see that as a very extreme position and yet
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we're almost as extreme in the opposite direction when it comes to children one of the reasons why i
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might feel this way is one because this is how i was raised as a kid but two because i think because
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i was raised this way as a kid it allowed me to sort of
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get that part of exploration out of my system so i didn't need to pretend things as an adult were real
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that aren't real because i think what happens if you deny this to children is they start to and i
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think you see this with teens right so what you should see like a correct i think trajectory for
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children is as a child becomes a teen they know that most of that imaginary stuff that they thought
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was true when they were younger isn't actually true but they still explore you know light of the
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feather stiff at a board at a birthday party or a ouija board at a birthday party or sleepover or you know
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they they may do that game where like you know you do the four things and then you choose how
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many you know the girls make them at school and they tell the future a cootie catcher yeah i'll put
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the south part clip about them here but yeah what if i were to tell you that the girls have a device
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which allows them to see into the future my turn my turn do me now okay baby what do you want to
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know i want to know if i'm going to live in a big mansion in the future okay pick a color blue b-l-u-e i
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pick another color red okay okay will baby live in a big mansion in the future definitely yes all right
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where did they get that thing oh my god how does it know the answer gentlemen we have to get our hands
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on that device something like that right and and this is a a going down in terms of mysticism for
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the kid when they were very young they believed in lots of mystical things and when they're a teen
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they believe in some mystical things but not other mystical things i think they also understand that
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that was child's play and that's important and so they when they're thinking about the world framing
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and the way they relate relate to the world see maturation as a movement from a more mystical
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or supernatural world to a less mystical or supernatural world however if you raise a kid
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with a no supernatural no none of that right and then they become a teen and they are engaging with
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some supernatural like ouija boards and cootie catchers and whatever that stuff is then they
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they're moving in the exact wrong trajectory you want them moving in because then from there they
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get into wiccanism they get into whatever right you you have put them on a trajectory right and you want
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to ensure that's a downwards rather than an upwards trajectory in terms of how you're dealing with your
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kids the final thing is that the it teaches them santa teaches children a very very important lesson
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and almost nothing in society can help you teach children this better than santa which is that
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there are things out there in the world that literally every authority figure will lie to you
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about every person in society will lie to you about nasa will create a santa tracker app you know like
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the news stations will pretend to cover him every little column in your life is going to say
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this isn't this is this is true and that you will then find among your your kid friends a group that's
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like hey guys you know like a the kid drug dealer do you believe santa's real and then some are like yeah
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i do and then others are like no i know what's up and then there's the annoying kid who says do you
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mean the historic santa that kid oh no i want to teach my kids to punch that kid the moment he says oh
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my god it'll be like you know what we're talking about trevester
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anyway so so the point i'm making here is these kids are going to grow up in a world
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where everyone around them is going to lie to them right like about something like this is what
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happened like is santa not a great analogy for like the corvid virus that that went around and
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freaked everyone out in which the you know the cdc is telling you one thing the president's telling you
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one thing the newspapers are telling you one thing but then like that group of kids you got this other
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group that's like no no no man you don't know like sometimes everyone can be in on a thing and
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maybe the reason you're not hearing about it is because youtube blocks any video that talks about it
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maybe and then shuts down their channel and and twitter is doing the same thing and no but man
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there's evidence out there you should check out man you are through santa acculturizing children
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to this potentiality and i think that's really important for the world that the kids are going
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to enter but yeah do you have thoughts simone i i think another really important thing about
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christmas and the way that we want to do it is if you the moment you express as one of our kids
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disbelief in santa that's fine you're free to not believe that also means that you don't get presents
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from santa and we want our kids to understand that you have to be willing to pretend to believe
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something that you know is not true that's this like societal myth in order to get certain things
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because this is something it's a part of being an adult in our society today that sometimes depending on
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the the group that you're mixing with you have to pretend that some things are true
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that are obviously not true and or just to be cool with things that you're not cool with which is
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something that everyone who's autistic in our family has to deal with to like be okay with being in a
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social situation when you're not okay with being in a social situation and we we think that santa's a
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really great way to teach that and it's a very playful way to teach that it's like oh okay well you didn't
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get any gifts from santa this year because you didn't believe in him and you know if you don't
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believe in santa you can't deliver gifts to you of course so i think that's important fun thing about
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building a miraculous world around your children is that the world that you build around them can
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be unique to your family so yes i tell my kids you know when they go to school or whatever where
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they're interacting with other people i go well krampus only comes after collinses right like the
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other kids don't have to worry about him because the future police only come for the collinses
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yeah the collinses are more important than other people is what we tell them we're different we're
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special yeah and we have different expectations of us right so what's really interesting is if you go to
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like an orthodox jewish family or something like that the way that they differentiate their kids
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when their kids go to school and they know they're different from other people is through their
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different outfits and their different you know ways of dressing and and hairstyles and names and with
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our kids yes they have unique names but their outfits are fairly normal other than being completely
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standardized but outside of that the thing that makes their world magical and makes it that's different
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for them when they're interacting with the other kids is they know oh i'm a collins and we've got
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krampus and we've got the future police and we've got lemon week and we've got all of these different
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holidays and traditions and monsters that other kids just do not have in their lives and for that
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reason both i have more responsibility in my life but i'm also different from them and the world that
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i live in is different from the world that they live in which is boring and dull and gray and i think
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that that's really powerful as well you know the teacher who's like oh octavian that doesn't really
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exist and and we come home and we go well that teacher is a noob octavian and he goes oh she's a
00:28:58.320
noob i'm like yeah she's kind of like an imposter if you've seen those from among us would she really
00:29:04.640
love oh my goodness oh my goodness and so you know you got to use the well that's what we always
00:29:12.560
got to tell them about all the fundraisers that they get subjected to as well that they think you're
00:29:16.960
a noob it's a trick for noobs yeah we have a separate episode coming out i don't well no it should have
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come out for now a separate episode on how schools are just mlms now we are constantly hit
00:29:30.160
by with by fundraisers with our school when we recorded that episode we were hit by three at
00:29:36.400
once in one week now we're up to four only one week four yeah in one week yeah so
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but actually it has prompted me to move to having our oldest at home full-time and so we'll see what
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that looks like you can wait until after this summer if that's what you want to do i'm gonna leave
00:29:56.400
up to him we're gonna we're gonna ask him we'll see yeah well we'll we'll talk with him about it
00:30:02.400
to see what he thinks about it because my the only thing he learns at school is how to show for mlms
00:30:08.720
for private equity funds because that's you know the school comes home he's like oh scholastic fair
00:30:13.600
it's so interesting that i saw scholastic as such a positive brand when i was younger oh yeah i see it
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as such a slimy and scammy brand yeah like like a really sort of a gross thing and as a kid i thought
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it was like educational and wholesome and works with the school system
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but anyway the the final thing is is if you want to have this stuff for your own kids
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like just go for like kids especially the more you have like when you have a large family
00:30:41.840
kids love going along with this stuff and they will expand on these worlds significantly when they're
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alone like they have you know among themselves like squads for krampus hunting they have squads for
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like slide eater hunting to go on a slide eater expedition you know they gotta go and find the
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slide eater so they can kill it you know they they've got all of this these these
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fun ideas which i really like because it's a it's a much richer world then we're gonna go to the park
00:31:15.280
today let's look at the birds like birds might be interesting to you as an adult but they're not
00:31:19.840
as interesting to a kid right well and i think the bigger thing too is that there's a lot of resistance
00:31:25.440
now to stuff that i think is a crucial for kids development like allowing kids to fight allowing
00:31:34.240
kids to have property disputes allowing kids to push boundaries and i'm not saying like allow kids
00:31:41.040
to push boundaries by just allowing them to walk all over you i'm saying you set the boundaries like
00:31:45.920
you make it clear where those boundaries are but kids need to push them to learn where they are like
00:31:50.720
it's an interplay and to contextualize these things as bad to see it as bad when kids are afraid of
00:31:58.400
monsters to see it as bad when kids are fighting over an object or over your affections or over your
00:32:04.480
attention or among themselves that is is depriving them of really essential practice that is setting
00:32:14.000
them up to go on to greater developmental stages in life and they're not going to do well with those
00:32:19.120
greater developmental stages without these basics in place i the two final points i want to make here
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is one is you can be like oh what about when your kids get older and it's like when my kids get older
00:32:28.160
they're gonna love that they can tell their friends about that weird crampus thing their dad used to do or
00:32:33.200
the you know they're no they're gonna love doing it to their younger siblings they're gonna love that
00:32:38.480
part of this i know how much i love to brag about unique family traditions when i was a kid you know
00:32:44.640
even when i was out of that stage because then it's like to the other kids well my family does
00:32:50.320
cooler things in your family yeah we're more unique we're more special the other thing that i wanted to
00:32:56.640
say was fighting fighting fighting fighting it looks so when i put my kids down to bed at night and on
00:33:02.000
the weekends right like the main way i play was in was by fighting and i think there are a few
00:33:06.160
investments you can make for your kids that are more you're gonna get more out of than like
00:33:11.760
inflatable shields inflatable bonkers you know i've been draining some of these
00:33:18.960
slightly more durable bonkers and a lot of them simone hates how many i've collected but the kids love
00:33:24.320
bonking and they've got their shields to protect or just running at each other from across the room with
00:33:28.160
a shield that was one of the ends at one of the videos where they just started on either side of
00:33:32.160
a room and just started running at each other smack and i was like guys have at least inflatable shields
00:33:39.840
the next time you do this then i got those big round inflatable like round their body bumpers now for
00:33:45.280
them to run around and hit each other with but the point being is kids love play fighting and uh you know
00:33:52.320
i know there's all these things that say like read to your kid before they go to sleep i do not i just fight
00:33:56.320
them i'd chase them around and tickle them and there was actually a study that shows that like
00:34:00.160
getting wound up before they go to bed helps kids sleep better which is what got us into this it was
00:34:03.920
sent by a fan and it convinced me to just give up reading because i didn't find it fun they didn't
00:34:08.960
find it as fun and move entirely to fighting before they go to bed so there's that the final thing is the
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studies on santa the average age yeah actually do you know the average age kids stop believing in santa
00:34:19.840
eight eight eight is exactly it does not surprise me when kids decide they know absolutely everything
00:34:29.360
about the world some go on to hold the beliefs until they're 15 or 16 as they should which seems
00:34:36.720
pretty old we're gonna have a 15 year old on the show in the near future he's agreed and we've we've
00:34:41.920
done follow-up with him well he said he said he said we'll see after what was it winter break or
00:34:47.840
some winter break yeah winter break so it is no no because we don't know yet it would come after
00:34:53.920
no i can talk about it at least i think our fans would be excited to know so destiny's kid might be
00:34:59.440
coming on which i'd be really excited about because you know he's gotten in trouble for saying like nazi
00:35:03.840
stuff online and i'm just sort of interested how somebody of his generation and his age builds his
00:35:08.800
world we're like you can't trust anything you hear from anyone like everyone is a shill nobody
00:35:15.120
trusts the media anymore wikipedia is completely institutionally captured ai is maybe the most
00:35:20.960
crazy the news is crazy where do you yeah where do you even go yeah like how are you building your
00:35:27.440
world framework like i don't even care about the nazi stuff i'm like whatever you're 15 what i care
00:35:31.680
about is how do you come to any decision anymore at this age right yeah i mean so i'm really excited
00:35:37.280
i hope that that happens and we gotta we gotta interview other other people's kids that's the other
00:35:40.960
thing that i'd love to do as a show is interview more like young people like i'd say like 14 to
00:35:47.120
like 17 about their like world structure because i find that to be personally fascinating and i think
00:35:54.720
it will help us predict where our kids are going to go in terms of building those sorts of world
00:35:58.880
structures i feel like we plus a lot of parents would probably want to know right like how are kids
00:36:05.280
these days learning what what it is they learn yeah yeah so there's that and any final thoughts
00:36:13.680
simone i love this time of year i love this holiday i hope everyone has a very happy christmas if you
00:36:21.360
need a little more fun after christmas consider future day we need to like put out guidance on how to
00:36:28.160
celebrate a future day at some point do you want to do an episode on that next oh i guess we'll do the
00:36:32.320
one that i had prepped but we can yeah but we should also just make like a quick like how to
00:36:37.600
pdf just like here are the steps here are the supplies you need we just make available readily
00:36:42.800
for anyone without watching anything the kids like future day much more than christmas i can tell you
00:36:46.800
that it's by far their favorite holiday love christmas doesn't have one of the things we got them for
00:36:51.920
future day as you know those glowing ball things that you could like put your fingers on and move in
00:36:56.560
it and they're not that expensive they're like 15 bucks now like 25 bucks or something
00:37:00.480
for like a decent like glass one and you we tell them that they can talk to the future police by
00:37:05.760
using the thing and so they love doing that they love doing that they think it's so fun yeah
00:37:13.360
it's delightful love you to death simone have a great day i love the way we do
00:37:20.160
did you get to comments today i did people enjoyed it
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i think there's a low intellect one in the episode as the left trying to sort of fob this off like
00:37:34.880
make it a thing to make people miserable because that's kind of how people read it that like
00:37:39.440
with this title card framing was like the new york times is trying to make divorce cool and it's like
00:37:44.320
the new gen z yeah and so i think the framing within the title card more than the episode itself
00:37:50.160
that makes sense but they were doing it i mean it was a a true thing the they were definitely being
00:37:55.520
like and now there's divorce influencers yeah well and there are divorce influencers but there
00:38:02.640
are also toilet cleaning influencers so you know
00:38:08.080
yeah that for what it is are you aware of this by the way wait there's toilet cleaning influencers i
00:38:13.520
i am not why why do you watch that simone do we need to have a conversation
00:38:19.600
is that your new fetish because i'm not no no as you can tell from the state of our toilets it's not
00:38:26.800
apparently my thing probably you say that but it's actually true it's the only thing in our house that
00:38:32.400
you do not fastidiously clean i because i just i even clean them sometimes which is crazy i don't
00:38:38.160
know if you notice we need to you know what black friday is coming up i'm gonna just buy proper
00:38:46.880
brush sets because the big issue i think that the bigger problem is that
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our kids are around the toilets all the time and so i can't leave the brushes out
00:38:58.480
because then the kids will play with them like swords and that's not great and so then it's really
00:39:05.200
inconvenient to clean the toilets because you have to go to a secure room to obtain the toilet brush
00:39:13.280
and then bring it down and get the toilet soap and bring it over that sounds like an excuse and i'm
00:39:20.160
always with the kids when i clean and so then it means i have to leave the kids and then if i leave the
00:39:24.800
kids they're going to inevitably break something or make a bigger mess and then i've just produced
00:39:31.840
functionally a larger mess in an attempt to clean up the contained mess that is a dirty toilet
00:39:39.040
but yeah it is an excuse anyway any fun comments where you were like oh that's an interesting way of
00:39:50.400
everyone always has interesting things to say i nothing in particular stands out now but i think
00:39:54.880
that's where the sleep deprivation speaking than the nature of the comments
00:40:18.160
what how can i daddy it was in the future war do you not remember that one no i like the red
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fighter on it and the golden the red what the red powder and the golden on it oh and so daddy had to
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wear that when i when i was in the war why you fight in the war yeah you fight in war i fought in the future
00:40:42.640
war who was your opponent who was my opponent but where's your horse where is your horse it was my
00:40:52.080
opponent was krampus's forces so krampus had a big army of demons and that's who we and i was fighting for
00:40:59.680
the future police what you mean you're attacking krampus in the battle no i was just fighting his
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forces he has a large army oh no make sure you don't drop that
00:41:18.000
torsen are you excited to have a dad who fought in the great future war are you one of the future
00:41:24.000
police in there am i one of the what torsen yeah i was fighting for them you're gonna have to fight
00:41:41.520
um well the thing i'm no i worked for them so the real thing
00:41:49.040
well so the krampus's forces they were all communists which is what you need to know about
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them okay and that means they're very dangerous yeah yeah how many people believe in crap i don't
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know i think the bigger question is how many people believe in communism if you believe crap
00:42:08.800
okay but octavian have you ever seen a real communist before what's a communist does y'all make your own
00:42:15.040
communist there are people who want to take everyone's stuff they're like thieves they want to take
00:42:22.720
everything from everybody i know they are crappy i bet many of your teachers might be communists