Based Camp - Males Who Flex Wealth Are Gender Swapped THOTs

00:00:00.000 When I see older men do this, right, it reminds me a lot of an older woman trying to show 1.00

00:00:07.120 off her sexuality, like a Madonna showing off her sexuality. 0.58

00:00:09.780 Every time I see some old man with eight fancy cars in his garage, and he's married.

00:00:14.300 And I'm like, why aren't you investing in your kids' companies?

00:00:17.820 Why aren't you helping them get off the ground?

00:00:19.840 And if you don't have kids, why aren't you putting money into causes that you care about? 1.00

00:00:23.920 The world is literally falling apart, and you are sexually signaling to a fucking mirror. 1.00

00:00:30.320 It's weird and pathetic. 1.00

00:00:34.040 Yeah, I mean, it is interesting that it isn't seen as obscene in society for a man to signal 0.99

00:00:42.140 his wealth as it is for a woman to signal her sexual availability. 0.93

00:00:46.780 And why I think it's uniquely strange is that we already live in a society that demoralizes

00:00:52.420 men for pretty much everything else they do.

00:00:55.020 Why do you think this isn't being demoralized?

00:01:00.000 So there's easy glib answers I could get, right?

00:01:04.460 Like, they want men to waste their lives.

00:01:06.980 They don't want money that could go to fixing things, to go to fixing things, because fixing

00:01:11.860 things removes the people in power from power.

00:01:13.920 I don't think this is why.

00:01:15.260 No.

00:01:15.780 I'm just being clear.

00:01:16.360 I don't think this is why.

00:01:17.200 I'll tell you why.

00:01:20.460 Would you like to know more?

00:01:21.380 Hello, gorgeous.

00:01:22.740 Hello, Simone. 0.69

00:01:23.780 It is wonderful to be here with you today.

00:01:25.480 I am excited for this topic.

00:01:28.940 It came up when we were doing the Just Pearly Thing recording.

00:01:31.660 Like, in the moment, I was thinking about this, because in the episode, the thesis...

00:01:37.780 Yeah, hold on.

00:01:38.140 For context, a couple of weeks back, we were on the Just Pearly Things pregame show.

00:01:42.960 It is a panel-based show where Hannah Pearl Davis, you know, discusses various topics and

00:01:48.340 a bunch of randos who show up discuss with her.

00:01:51.740 And one thing that she started doing near the end of the pregame show was pull up images

00:01:56.420 of women on Twitter and criticize them for dressing in provocative ways.

00:02:02.640 So...

00:02:02.960 Which, you know, it's funny that maybe if you look at our episode with Louise Perry, what

00:02:08.520 we need as a society, more women... 1.00

00:02:10.420 I don't know if that episode will air before this one or not, but more women being criticized 1.00

00:02:14.580 for when they are outside of their younger age phase.

00:02:18.280 Because, you know, women, like men, go through multiple phases where they are psychologically

00:02:23.240 optimized for different things, which they should be optimized for different things.

00:02:27.600 And if you are a mother and a wife, you know, being a thirst trap, it's probably not...

00:02:33.640 You've got to ask, why are you still doing that?

00:02:35.480 Like, why are you still looking for validation from men who are not your husband on online

00:02:40.960 environments, right?

00:02:42.220 That is something that maybe people should be shamed for.

00:02:46.720 So...

00:02:48.380 Anyway.

00:02:50.680 However, we had a theory on this show that came up that I had never really sought through

00:02:55.220 before.

00:02:55.740 You would support the idea of using social shaming to encourage society to ease into various

00:03:02.860 stages of life that actually work sustainably.

00:03:05.100 Like, going from being a young woman who banks on her sexual attractiveness to being more 0.71

00:03:11.960 of a matriarch who focuses more on motherhood and building a career than to more of a matriarch

00:03:17.440 who focuses on mentorship and using shame to kind of enforce that.

00:03:21.160 Yeah?

00:03:22.080 Yeah.

00:03:22.680 And I think this makes sense.

00:03:24.100 And I think that, you know, it was in the red pill we see this.

00:03:26.140 Okay.

00:03:26.580 If a woman is married and she is projecting to society, I am in a monogamous relationship, 1.00

00:03:31.700 you know, why is she doing this stuff, right? 1.00

00:03:33.380 Like, why is she doing this sexual signaling? 1.00

00:03:35.740 We would look at her really weird if she walked down the street with like little, you know, 1.00

00:03:40.620 pins on her nipples and nothing else. 0.99

00:03:43.600 And in some ridiculous outfit, you're like, who are you signaling to? 0.99

00:03:46.520 And worse than walking down the street, posting pictures on social media. 0.89

00:03:50.420 But this gets really interesting.

00:03:51.360 So what is the male equivalent to this, right?

00:03:55.720 Well, in humans, women signal using their bodies often. 1.00

00:04:02.360 That is how they attract mates. 0.89

00:04:04.460 How do men often attract mates?

00:04:06.800 Well, men attract mates showing success and material wealth.

00:04:11.100 That being the case, the male equivalent to this sort of vain sexual advertisement is a man 0.97

00:04:26.300 who is in a, at least claimed monogamous relationship with kids and stuff like that,

00:04:33.220 wasting money on vanity signals of wealth.

00:04:38.140 Yeah, flaunting his wealth, essentially to like, yeah, if women bring their youth and beauty

00:04:45.200 and we'll say fertility to the table, then what men bring is their resources. 1.00

00:04:49.860 So a man flaunting his resources is doing the same thing as a woman flaunting her body and youth, right? 0.96

00:04:55.680 I mean, who are you signaling to?

00:04:57.100 You know, if you're a married man, right, especially a married man with kids, and you get some ultra fancy car,

00:05:03.080 you know, that money could have gone to your kid's education.

00:05:05.140 That money could have gone to making the world a better place.

00:05:07.620 Like, why specifically were you doing that?

00:05:11.260 And this gets really interesting to me because when we were on the panel, there was this other guy.

00:05:15.180 I like him.

00:05:15.720 He's a nice guy.

00:05:16.420 Like, I didn't want to, like, debate him or anything on the show.

00:05:19.100 But his job is selling status to young men through fancy suits and stuff like that, right?

00:05:25.360 And he seems to really indulge in this status.

00:05:28.660 And he was like, yeah, but, well, first, the first thing he was like is, well, fancy cars

00:05:35.240 helped me get my wife to sleep with me, basically.

00:05:37.800 He's like, I got a fancy car, and that's why I have as many kids as I have.

00:05:41.560 So, you know, you guys as pernatalists should be promoting fancy cars. 0.87

00:05:45.380 Which is, to me, I think that's just cope.

00:05:47.480 You don't need that to get someone to sleep with you.

00:05:49.560 I mean, I think the women who are most satisfied in their relationships feel supported

00:05:52.880 and loved and also see, you know, their male partners, especially if they already have

00:05:58.140 kids, being great dads.

00:05:59.400 Like, to me, that is the sexiest stuff you ever do.

00:06:02.120 Well, I mean, it just isn't true.

00:06:04.740 So, if you are in a long-term married relationship and your wife only sees you attractive when you

00:06:10.440 increase in terms of wasteful displays of wealth...

00:06:14.580 That's worrying.

00:06:15.520 That's a bad...

00:06:16.120 Also, I can't imagine doing that.

00:06:19.100 Like, to be a partner and then feel more secure in your partner choice when your partner spends

00:06:26.480 money on luxury goods.

00:06:28.540 And keep in mind, by the way, the typical male spending for sexual signaling, you know, cars,

00:06:34.260 watches, suits, etc.

00:06:36.460 This is not really stuff that benefits a female partner.

00:06:40.440 Yeah.

00:06:40.560 It is stuff that benefits the male partner.

00:06:42.280 You know, taking a female partner for a ride to the store in your fancy car, I'm sorry. 0.99

00:06:47.040 That is not improving your quality of life.

00:06:48.860 Maybe buying a nicer house, maybe getting nice furniture or luxury trips, you know, stuff

00:06:53.140 that the family enjoys together.

00:06:54.080 But that's not what is happening in these displays.

00:06:57.580 You know, the classic displays are the expensive suit, the Rolex, the car.

00:07:02.160 Is there anything else?

00:07:03.020 What are the classic things?

00:07:04.600 Sometimes the ripped body.

00:07:06.100 I think the ripped body is the new...

00:07:08.340 Is kind of the tech billionaire's flex.

00:07:10.540 Oh, yeah.

00:07:11.100 Body.

00:07:11.580 Yeah, as well.

00:07:12.280 Yeah, who are you spending all this time improving your body for, right?

00:07:15.480 If you're, you've got a wife, you've got kids, you know, if you're spending X many hours

00:07:20.960 a day at the gym, that's...

00:07:22.040 It looks super ripped.

00:07:22.920 I mean, obviously, being healthy is important, right? 0.98

00:07:25.240 And no one wants like a fat slob. 1.00

00:07:25.940 Yeah, we're not talking about... 0.99

00:07:27.600 This is very different.

00:07:28.620 There is a health body, and then there is a body that you are obviously sacrificing health

00:07:33.760 to achieve.

00:07:35.080 And these are two different things.

00:07:36.560 And it is as I think obscene as a woman who is married walking around in a very skimpy 1.00

00:07:45.060 outfit.

00:07:45.240 And what's really interesting is you'll hear arguments from men who indulge in this that

00:07:50.280 really mirror the arguments you're hearing from women who indulge similarly.

00:07:53.940 Oh, yeah.

00:07:54.600 Oh, like my husband likes it slash my wife likes it, right? 0.60

00:07:58.320 Right.

00:07:58.740 Well, I would say the first one that I think you hear is, I just like doing it for me.

00:08:02.940 Why don't I get to do things for me?

00:08:06.180 It's like, if you talk to a woman, you call a woman out on this and you see this, you know,

00:08:10.320 because there were other women in that room who had clearly done this before where you're 0.98

00:08:13.360 like, why are you posting thirst trap photos on public profiles when you're a married

00:08:18.720 woman? 0.96

00:08:19.040 And they're like, well, I like doing it for me.

00:08:21.620 What do you like about it?

00:08:23.580 You like the way people respond to it.

00:08:27.440 What kind of people, right?

00:08:29.380 There is an intended audience for this.

00:08:32.040 Now, where guys may have some level of cover is they could say, well, yes, but the intended

00:08:38.280 audience is other guys.

00:08:44.500 Okay.

00:08:45.080 And, you know, the same, now the same argument could be used for other women. 1.00

00:08:48.340 I mean, many people have argued that women only wear makeup really for other women, which

00:08:52.380 is not entirely.

00:08:54.420 I mean, they do to an extent, you know, within these inter-women social status hierarchies.

00:08:58.540 But here's the interesting thing.

00:09:00.320 If you're doing it for other women or other guys.

00:09:01.960 So if I am a woman and I am posting thirst trap photos to signal to other women, my relative

00:09:08.720 hierarchy within those female social circles, I am judging my hierarchy by my desirability 1.00

00:09:17.060 to men.

00:09:18.140 There are ways.

00:09:18.720 Yeah.

00:09:18.920 You're still competing along what you would consider like assorted or misaligned.

00:09:24.720 Exactly.

00:09:25.300 There are ways that women can signal hierarchy to other women that are not about how attractive 0.98

00:09:31.760 they are to men.

00:09:32.800 I mean, look at you, right?

00:09:34.020 Whether it is your career or your kids or your husband, like people, when they go to

00:09:40.980 your Instagram and you can go to her Instagram, Simone H Collins.

00:09:43.540 I love it.

00:09:44.020 Great Instagram.

00:09:44.740 My Malcolm Collins fan account.

00:09:46.820 Yeah.

00:09:47.220 No, but it is, it is signaling your status to other women. 1.00

00:09:50.520 And people look at this.

00:09:51.240 It's very clear.

00:09:52.000 You are signaling your status to other women on this account through your husband's dedication

00:09:56.880 to the family.

00:09:57.580 Yeah.

00:09:57.740 Look at what I have.

00:09:58.480 I have this amazing husband and these amazing kids.

00:10:00.960 Why are you posting this?

00:10:02.140 By the way, I didn't even know.

00:10:03.220 Like I found this account like long after we'd been married.

00:10:06.060 And it's basically a pervy Malcolm account.

00:10:08.640 Not even pervy.

00:10:09.840 It's just my husband is sweet to me all the time.

00:10:12.020 Here are all the things he does.

00:10:13.680 But that is how you are social signaling to your friends, right?

00:10:17.120 In other words, you're saying, you know, in response to the female argument of, oh, 0.97

00:10:20.740 I just want to, I enjoy this or I want to show my status.

00:10:23.620 Because, well, you can show your status in ways that aren't thirst trappy and that do

00:10:27.460 still appeal to both men and women, just not in a way that's like a signaling sexual

00:10:32.340 availability.

00:10:34.060 Yeah.

00:10:34.900 Yeah.

00:10:35.260 But I think the same thing's happening with men.

00:10:38.460 Yeah.

00:10:38.940 Yeah.

00:10:39.060 Men could like, yeah.

00:10:39.860 And actually, you know, the guys that I follow on Instagram are posting pictures of their

00:10:44.320 wives and kids, actually.

00:10:45.600 So that's totally accurate.

00:10:46.900 Yeah.

00:10:47.620 I mean, there are multiple ways that a man can compete within his social hierarchy of other

00:10:51.840 men.

00:10:52.140 He can compete by showing how dedicated his wife is to the kids, showing their lifestyle 0.99

00:10:56.800 together, showing the things they do together, or he can compete by showing the wealth shit 0.99

00:11:04.400 he's buying, right? 0.98

00:11:06.700 And if you are showing the wealth shit you're buying, you are clearly signaling, you know, 0.98

00:11:11.480 what status game you're playing. 0.99

00:11:13.660 And it is not the long-term partner status game.

00:11:17.000 And I think historically society understood this.

00:11:19.820 It is obscene and vulgar for a man to indolently show signs of wealth like this.

00:11:29.980 Now, okay.

00:11:31.920 But riddle me this, because there's this one thing that gets me a little confused.

00:11:37.240 And we saw a lot of this when we lived in Miami.

00:11:39.420 There were plenty of Miami couples where the man did the suit and the Rolex and the car and

00:11:47.460 his girlfriend did the looks like an Instagram model thing with extremely revealing clothing, 1.00

00:11:54.200 et cetera, et cetera.

00:11:55.420 So here you have a couple where both are doing that and they're very much, and I know couples

00:12:00.580 too.

00:12:00.760 Like, I have followed them because some of them had been clients of our business who together

00:12:06.760 post a lot of images of themselves both in those things.

00:12:10.900 You know, the woman is extremely scantily clad. 1.00

00:12:13.620 The man is in the fancy car.

00:12:16.120 What's going on there?

00:12:16.940 Are you trying to say that they're both trying to signal sexual availability?

00:12:20.800 No, I actually think this is a very unique phenomenon.

00:12:23.120 I'll call it the trophy wife dynamic. 1.00

00:12:25.160 Okay.

00:12:26.540 So in the trophy wife dynamic, an individual has a wife specifically because of how that 1.00

00:12:32.960 wife positively augments their status in a sexual context, right? 1.00

00:12:38.580 Like they want the wife to be attractive and vapid and to show other men how quote unquote 0.97

00:12:45.800 submissive and breedable they are, but like they don't actually breed them, right?

00:12:49.220 They are a trophy.

00:12:50.620 They are not a utility wife. 1.00

00:12:52.060 The thing about trophy wives is that they are fundamentally disposable. 1.00

00:12:58.260 And this is why a woman should never, ever, ever marry a man as a trophy wife. 1.00

00:13:01.920 It is a fucking terrible job. 1.00

00:13:03.720 And the reason is, is because as you age as a woman, your value on the sexual marketplace 1.00

00:13:08.960 declines.

00:13:09.860 The core reason this guy wants you, the reason why he's letting you post all this thirst trap

00:13:14.300 stuff with him, right?

00:13:16.000 Is because he is showing off your sexual value to his male friends.

00:13:20.180 Well, the problem here is that if that is the value that he sees in you, a younger woman 1.00

00:13:27.440 is always going to be able to out-compete you in that value set.

00:13:31.340 If that is all you're bringing to the relationship, you're bringing no productivity gains, no children,

00:13:35.340 no anything like that.

00:13:36.420 Well, okay.

00:13:37.680 You hit 40.

00:13:39.120 You hit 45.

00:13:40.580 You were with this rich guy.

00:13:42.200 Of course, he's just going to trade you in for a younger model. 1.00

00:13:44.620 And then what do you have?

00:13:46.500 You've got no skills and no career, nothing to fall back on at all.

00:13:51.680 You are completely both used and disposable and disposed.

00:13:58.680 And I think a lot of women don't realize what's happening in this. 1.00

00:14:01.640 I think in these instances, you know, it's clear what the guy is doing.

00:14:05.520 If the guy is using you, your body, to sexually signal to his friends, you are disposable to him.

00:14:12.120 So, that's what I think is going on.

00:14:16.480 Yikes.

00:14:17.860 Well, I mean, do you disagree or?

00:14:20.480 Yeah.

00:14:20.980 Well, so, I mean, basically, it's this, it almost sounds like a weird predator-prey situation

00:14:27.680 where the prey is going around being like, look at me, she's so great.

00:14:30.840 And they have no idea that they're on the chopping block, like, already by design.

00:14:35.060 Well, they've turned themselves into a product.

00:14:37.840 Yeah.

00:14:38.200 And they, I mean, the thing is, is that if you're a woman, this is always the option if

00:14:43.160 you're born attractive, right?

00:14:44.740 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:45.200 But it's a stupid fucking option. 1.00

00:14:47.380 And this is one of the things, you know, so a lot of, you know, red pill guys are like, 1.00

00:14:50.400 women have it so easy, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:14:52.780 But not really.

00:14:55.760 Not really. 1.00

00:14:56.860 They have dumber temptations that are easier to fall into that fuck up their lives more than 1.00

00:15:03.480 yours. 0.99

00:15:03.920 Yeah, like men are more likely, in other words, to be forced to build a strong job and

00:15:08.900 career independence, at least financial independence, and, you know, at least to be able to fend

00:15:13.460 for themselves no matter what happens.

00:15:15.420 Whereas women are encouraged, incentivized by societal norms to, you know, focus on a very 1.00

00:15:22.860 fleeting asset, which is their youth and beauty, to like, to enter a relationship in which they

00:15:30.560 won't necessarily stay.

00:15:33.000 And then what happens after that falls apart?

00:15:35.980 I mean, a smart male, definitely, and a smart female.

00:15:39.100 Like, if I was to compare the two, smart male, smart female, equal attractiveness, the man, 0.53

00:15:45.400 I'm sorry, the woman definitely has it better. 1.00

00:15:48.020 Of the smart people, huh?

00:15:49.520 Of the smart people, right.

00:15:50.640 Because they can utilize these assets, they can see what's out there, they can see the

00:15:54.260 temptations. 0.99

00:15:54.940 But when I'm talking about a dumb male and a dumb female of above-average attractiveness, 1.00

00:16:00.160 I actually think that the dumb male has it much better than the dumb female. 1.00

00:16:03.860 Yeah, fair. 1.00

00:16:04.440 Well, yeah, because essentially the dumb male will have a harder time doing dumb shit, right? 1.00

00:16:10.780 They'll have a harder time truly fucking up their life in the way that a woman will be 1.00

00:16:14.960 incentivized to. 0.98

00:16:16.160 Yeah. 0.99

00:16:16.480 Well, they're less likely to be successful at doing dumb things, whereas women are more 1.00

00:16:19.760 likely to be successful at doing dumb things that will hurt them over the long run, 0.99

00:16:22.820 right? 0.77

00:16:23.860 Yeah.

00:16:24.460 Like, men are more likely to be forced.

00:16:27.160 So that's...

00:16:28.440 Well, this is something that you had said to me recently, and I'd love you to go over 0.98

00:16:31.180 and hear the MGTOW thing, where you're like, look, if you're a guy, like, and you get fucked 0.90

00:16:36.840 over, you can become a MGTOW. 0.97

00:16:38.960 But if you're a girl, what do you do?

00:16:41.400 Yeah.

00:16:41.820 I'm really referring to uncoupled men and women. 0.90

00:16:44.540 Yeah, but yeah.

00:16:45.020 But I mean, yeah, this applies.

00:16:46.100 So while a lot of people are looking now at, like, men's rights movements, you know,

00:16:52.140 people who are aware of how men are screwed over in divorces, how men are screwed over

00:16:56.980 in dating, you know, how men are...

00:16:58.680 Like, really, societal forces are way more against men than women, which would lead people 0.85

00:17:03.440 to logically conclude that men are worse off.

00:17:06.080 But my argument is that men are not worse off.

00:17:08.840 When you actually look at rates of unhappiness and mental health problems, who has a bigger

00:17:14.800 mental health problem?

00:17:15.640 It is young women, specifically progressive young women.

00:17:19.420 They are suffering more.

00:17:20.560 So even if they technically have it easier, they're the ones who are really hurting most

00:17:26.300 in society and who appear to be failed most by society.

00:17:29.420 And part of that's, I feel like young men aren't really allowed to decide that they've

00:17:35.880 been traumatized by what's happening to them.

00:17:38.340 Whereas societal narratives are such that young women are encouraged to believe that they're

00:17:42.800 traumatized by things.

00:17:43.480 We saw this in, for example, Ayla's research, where she found among the same group of young

00:17:47.840 men and women, the young women somehow believed that they had, you know, more abusive childhoods

00:17:53.200 and their families somehow made less money, even though this is, again, the same sample.

00:17:57.860 So there's this, like, skewed perception of reality among young women. 1.00

00:18:01.860 So, yeah, I feel like even though society is more unfair toward men, it hurts young women

00:18:08.180 more.

00:18:09.420 And I think a lot of that comes down to contextualization.

00:18:11.640 Yeah, well, I mean, it is interesting, right?

00:18:15.700 Like, I look at the world today and I'm like, okay, if I was a young man and I was going

00:18:21.640 out there and at least there were sources for me, places I could go, I think, realistically

00:18:27.540 that have online, like, large communities that would set me on the right path.

00:18:34.360 Yeah, well, that's the key thing, though.

00:18:35.880 They aren't necessarily going to support you or give you a big hug or tell you that you're

00:18:39.480 doing the right thing, they're going to set you on the right path.

00:18:41.780 Keep in mind that these support networks that you would go to, though, would often do things

00:18:46.280 that society today would say are cruel or mean because they're not necessarily saying,

00:18:50.580 oh, it's okay.

00:18:51.240 Oh, you can feel whatever you like.

00:18:53.200 Oh, you know, people should come and help you. 1.00

00:18:55.280 They might be saying stuff like, oh, yeah, you actually do look like a fat slob. 0.97

00:18:59.080 Like, maybe you need to start lifting. 0.98

00:19:00.640 Maybe you need to get a job.

00:19:01.760 So they'll say harsh things to you that are considered cruel or even bullying by modern

00:19:06.960 society, whereas women, I think, actually do have what someone would intuitively assume 1.00

00:19:11.540 are more supportive societies online.

00:19:13.340 You know, women have all these different support groups and, you know, they'll be like, oh, 1.00

00:19:17.060 this is so horrible.

00:19:17.920 You've been mistreated.

00:19:18.880 But ultimately, that's doing them way more harm.

00:19:21.420 So, you know, by saying you had support online, I don't want people to feel misled.

00:19:26.660 You may have found tough love online.

00:19:28.600 Women are finding a lot of support, but it's very toxic. 1.00

00:19:31.700 Does that make sense?

00:19:32.320 That's more important, right?

00:19:33.300 If you look at the psychological health of young women, it is obviously and measurably 0.99

00:19:38.420 worse than the psychological health of young men.

00:19:41.300 And the more they get sucked into this progressive cultural sphere, the worse their psychological

00:19:46.420 health gets.

00:19:47.700 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:47.980 It is really shocking when you look at just how fucked young women are in our current society. 1.00

00:19:53.520 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:53.800 They are told to indulge in themselves, to burn their soul in a bonfire of their own

00:19:59.680 vanity. 0.69

00:20:00.500 And as a result, they feel hollow and worthless.

00:20:05.480 And it is, in the moment, always easier to strike out for whatever small happiness that

00:20:12.320 they think they want in reality.

00:20:14.380 Which ultimately hurts them more, right?

00:20:16.400 It turns to ash in their mouth, you know, King Midas, right?

00:20:19.560 Like, they think they have youth and beauty, and so they try to go for all of the wonderful

00:20:26.120 things they think they have around them. 1.00

00:20:28.340 But it turns to ash in their vagina, sorry. 1.00

00:20:31.300 It turns to ash in their vagina or mouth. 1.00

00:20:35.820 It feels good momentarily, but then causes them suffering. 1.00

00:20:40.120 And then they lash out at these things.

00:20:41.820 Because what they don't understand is they think the things that they have been consuming 0.97

00:20:46.100 dick. 0.99

00:20:48.820 They think that it's the dick that was the problem. 1.00

00:20:52.420 That that's what made them unhappy. 0.99

00:20:54.780 But no, it was the people who built this structure and society for them, the feminists, who built 1.00

00:21:03.400 a system that makes them systemically unhappy.

00:21:06.580 And so you have movements like the MGTOW that have broken from our society and say, OK, we're 0.99

00:21:11.560 going to do things their own way.

00:21:12.820 We're going to try something different.

00:21:15.140 And through that, these individuals have come to positions that are psychologically more

00:21:20.140 healthy.

00:21:20.980 But they are also susceptible to the same vices that these young women are susceptible to. 1.00

00:21:27.440 You know, these young women are susceptible to believing that their status hierarchy gets 1.00

00:21:30.920 determined by how attractive they are.

00:21:32.880 And if you look within the MGTOW community, I think the biggest vice and the number one 1.00

00:21:36.780 thing that needs to be shamed within the MGTOW community is individuals showing off fancy 1.00

00:21:41.420 cars, showing off wasteful expenditures of wealth.

00:21:46.040 Because through that, they are still showing that they have not broken out of the system.

00:21:52.900 Yeah.

00:21:53.060 And that's really funny.

00:21:54.600 Because now that I think about it, one of the top things that happens to many, I guess,

00:21:58.980 newly converted MGTOW men is they post photos of the really fancy cars and watches they're

00:22:06.140 able to get because they're not spending money on women. 0.78

00:22:09.460 What?

00:22:10.080 It's like those things were only a value to you because women thought they were a value. 0.97

00:22:15.020 So I guess I'll try to push back and steel man this, even though I largely agree with you.

00:22:19.940 I mean, men also like to signal power to other men.

00:22:23.420 And I think there's a decent amount of competitiveness among men and a desire to show status and have

00:22:28.360 a dominance hierarchy among men.

00:22:30.040 How else are men supposed to show to their male friends if that's all that they care about, 0.96

00:22:34.520 that they're a big deal?

00:22:36.180 Well, so I think that this is a really important question.

00:22:38.720 And it can be mirrored in a woman, right? 1.00

00:22:40.740 Like a woman's, well, even if I am isolating myself from men, even if I'm saying I'm only

00:22:46.560 going to interact with women going forward, I'm only going to do women things, I'm not going 1.00

00:22:49.840 to get married, they might still post a bunch of thirst trap photos, right?

00:22:54.040 Oh, actually, I don't know.

00:22:55.120 When I think about like lesbian or political lesbian communities, I don't think of. 0.95

00:22:58.920 I'm saying hypothetically.

00:22:59.980 Okay, sure.

00:23:01.040 Okay, so you saw a woman doing this. 0.99

00:23:03.220 You're in these women communities. 1.00

00:23:04.580 You'd be like really disgusted by this.

00:23:06.640 You'd be like, don't you see that you're still playing into the old system?

00:23:10.440 What's the point in doing all this?

00:23:12.940 A Rolex itself has no value to you.

00:23:15.440 A fancy car itself has no value to you other than the value that you were told it had was

00:23:20.960 in your social context as a kid.

00:23:22.520 And you can say, well, I think it's cool, but not really.

00:23:26.120 I mean, you think it's cool because, you know, that's the way you contextualize it, right?

00:23:31.780 And this contextualization had a purpose.

00:23:34.820 So you as an adult, you say, how do I show my status among other men? 0.98

00:23:39.480 Do something fucking meaningful with your life. 0.98

00:23:41.960 Because there are meaningful things you can do with your life other than spend it on vanity 0.99

00:23:46.740 items, which you constantly are flapping around other men, like a woman flapping around her 0.67

00:23:52.500 breasts with pasties on, you know, it is, no, I mean, it's accurate. 0.80

00:23:57.160 And I think it's also really gross. 0.93

00:23:59.120 Interestingly, and to me, very similarly, when I see older men do this, right, it reminds me 0.58

00:24:05.560 a lot of, of a older woman trying to show off her sexuality, like a Madonna showing off

00:24:11.360 her sexuality.

00:24:11.900 Every time I see some old man was eight fancy cars in his garage and he's married.

00:24:16.220 And I'm like, why aren't you investing in your kids' companies?

00:24:19.940 Why aren't you helping them get off the ground?

00:24:21.960 And if you don't have kids, why aren't you putting money into causes that you care about? 1.00

00:24:26.100 The world is literally falling apart and you are sexually signaling to a fucking mirror. 1.00

00:24:31.920 It's weird and pathetic. 1.00

00:24:36.260 Yeah. 0.97

00:24:36.780 I mean, it is interesting that it isn't seen as obscene in society for a man to signal his

00:24:44.660 wealth as it is for a woman to signal her sexual availability. 1.00

00:24:48.920 And why I think it's uniquely strange is that we already live in a society that, that demoralizes

00:24:54.540 men for pretty much everything else they do.

00:24:57.100 Why do you think this isn't being demoralized?

00:25:01.920 So there's easy glib answers I could get, right?

00:25:07.140 Like they want men to waste their lives.

00:25:09.660 They don't want money that could go to fixing things to go to fixing things because fixing

00:25:14.540 things removes the people in power from power.

00:25:16.600 I don't think this is why.

00:25:17.920 No.

00:25:18.440 I'm just being clear.

00:25:19.040 I don't think this is.

00:25:19.700 I'll tell you why, because I don't think it interferes because I think that a lot of

00:25:26.020 beliefs are, are, are, are held via cultural evolution.

00:25:30.720 If a belief genuinely challenges an existing cultural group, like if I teach my kids something

00:25:35.940 that prevents them from deconverting and converting into the urban monoculture, well, then the urban

00:25:40.240 monoculture is going to shame that, right? 0.99

00:25:41.860 If there's something that keeps my kids in my cultural group, well, then the urban monoculture

00:25:46.100 is going to shame that.

00:25:47.340 If there's something, you know, any, anything like that, right?

00:25:49.660 The urban monoculture is going to shame, but if, if, if, if alternative, um, I am a old 0.98

00:25:58.300 failed man who is wasting away his money on indulgences that I am signaling to a fucking 0.98

00:26:06.440 void that really doesn't interfere with any of the urban monoculture's plans for the world. 0.99

00:26:12.440 You are neutering yourself in these displays.

00:26:16.940 You are neutering the financial impact you could have on anything from elections to nonprofits

00:26:22.420 to advocacy, to starting new companies, and you are doing it for no real benefit to yourself

00:26:30.060 other than to your ego, which, you know, as, as, as we say, the soul burns on the bonfire

00:26:36.460 of vanities, you know, you are destroying yourself with these actions.

00:26:41.440 And a lot of men who have, you know, sunk cost fallacy, I'll say this, like the guy in

00:26:46.020 the just pearly sings interview, and they'll be like, I wasted my money on that or I didn't

00:26:49.500 waste my money on that.

00:26:50.600 I spent my money on that very wisely.

00:26:53.060 How dare you tell me that this was a, a, an indulgence.

00:26:56.880 How dare you tell me that indulgences are always wicked.

00:27:01.140 Um, how dare you, uh, challenge my world framing that made me feel like a good and successful

00:27:07.320 person.

00:27:07.940 Well, and there's also a complication that you're not mentioning here as well, which

00:27:12.400 is this man's career was built on selling a product that does exactly this type of social

00:27:19.360 signaling.

00:27:19.800 And he, he banks on, on selling that social signaling value to young men.

00:27:26.660 So he really can't, he, he wouldn't be allowed to agree with you unless he wanted to undermine

00:27:33.380 his ability.

00:27:33.860 No, I'm just talking generally about guys, not about this guy specifically.

00:27:36.640 Okay.

00:27:37.760 But I'd say if you're a young guy, when you're young, you know, you can signal to your male

00:27:42.920 friends by who you're dating or something like that.

00:27:45.500 Um, fine, right?

00:27:48.200 Like I think it's indulgent and wasteful, but do it if you want to.

00:27:51.300 Right.

00:27:52.080 But as you get older, expect to change what you're using to signal to other people.

00:27:56.900 Right.

00:27:58.120 The, the amount that you are glorifying your wife, the, the, the way that you treat her,

00:28:03.540 the way that you treat your kids, those are the true signs of status.

00:28:07.540 Once you are in a long-term monogamous relationship and, and don't forget it.

00:28:12.400 We're, we're normalizing that here now.

00:28:14.420 Right. 1.00

00:28:15.820 Don't fuck with that. 1.00

00:28:16.940 Right. 1.00

00:28:17.980 You, you rise in status to me as a male.

00:28:21.680 Like when I'm looking through Facebook and I'm like, is this, does this person have a

00:28:24.740 better life to me? 0.96

00:28:25.380 I see a bunch of fancy cars and shit. 1.00

00:28:26.860 I'm like, wow, their life fucking sucks. 1.00

00:28:29.500 I see them with kids playing in the stream. 1.00

00:28:32.000 I'm like, shit, you know, I know I post those photos, but I don't, I don't do that enough 0.99

00:28:35.400 with my kids. 0.99

00:28:35.900 I got to do that more.

00:28:37.240 You know, I see them going to fall fast.

00:28:40.240 I see them helping their family with chores.

00:28:43.280 Those are the moments that I wish I spent more time on.

00:28:47.620 So, yeah.

00:28:49.560 Yeah.

00:28:52.960 I'm trying to think of any other counter argument that someone might have to this.

00:28:57.520 I mean, if someone just says they really, really like collecting cars and, you know,

00:29:03.800 you know, a lot of smart people who I think have collected really good sports cars who

00:29:10.320 I don't think are driven by sexual signaling.

00:29:13.340 Like what if you just autistically like cars?

00:29:15.340 Do you think that there, there's a decent number of men who just like, well, that's an

00:29:19.460 addiction.

00:29:20.460 Okay.

00:29:20.860 So it's just, you know, I, I, I do things that are driven partially by addiction as

00:29:24.920 well.

00:29:25.140 Right.

00:29:25.880 But I do not pretend that they are a status symbol. 0.98

00:29:30.460 It is pathetic men who treat how much they can drink or how much they do drink as if it's 0.97

00:29:36.080 a status symbol among other men. 1.00

00:29:37.760 Yeah.

00:29:37.900 You know what?

00:29:38.240 Actually the, the friend of yours that I'm thinking who, who we know who's bought the most

00:29:41.840 luxury cars, like no one knew he had them.

00:29:44.580 So that makes a lot of sense.

00:29:47.200 It is something you should be ashamed of your magic, the gathering.

00:29:50.660 I don't think he was ashamed of it because he would like sell them and make money.

00:29:53.460 So he was actually.

00:29:54.260 No, no, no.

00:29:54.580 Yeah.

00:29:54.800 If you're reselling them.

00:29:55.860 Okay.

00:29:56.060 I agree with that.

00:29:56.800 If you are using them, but that's different.

00:29:58.820 That's.

00:29:59.040 Yeah.

00:29:59.820 Well, I mean, no, I mean, it was for him was a combination of a hobby to an investment

00:30:02.940 because he would ultimately make money, but then he got to drive around luxury cars and,

00:30:06.300 but no one knew he was driving them.

00:30:07.520 So it was a very strange thing, but yeah.

00:30:09.300 Okay.

00:30:09.840 Yeah.

00:30:10.060 So I guess, and I think the same could be said of women, like a lot of women just. 1.00

00:30:12.920 Oh, you know what?

00:30:14.380 I think this is the case with, I think about all the women in very conservative Islamic

00:30:19.280 nations, like wearing, you know, a ton of, of covering, but then at home they're like

00:30:25.840 dripping in Gucci.

00:30:26.800 Like they're just, they have a ton of couture under that isn't necessarily super modest.

00:30:32.840 So like they go, they go home, all the outerwear comes off and they're wearing this stuff.

00:30:37.680 Maybe that's, you know.

00:30:38.440 That doesn't happen.

00:30:40.000 That doesn't happen.

00:30:40.860 I'm sorry.

00:30:41.100 I've seen they, that doesn't happen.

00:30:42.680 The women in, in Islamic countries who signal wealth through clothing, they do it through 1.00

00:30:49.260 like diamond encrusted hub jobs and stuff like that.

00:30:52.820 Yeah.

00:30:53.200 They don't do it at home.

00:30:54.920 No.

00:30:55.400 And I know enough Islamic families where I have seen women at home and at home. 0.76

00:30:59.520 I have never seen a woman who looks wealthier when she's not in full outfit than she does 0.96

00:31:06.280 when she's in full outfit.

00:31:08.800 Happened in sex in the city.

00:31:10.240 Probably not my most accurate source of cultural.

00:31:12.940 Yeah.

00:31:13.100 That is not accurate.

00:31:14.100 No, no, no.

00:31:14.480 There are a lot of women in these countries who will signal stuff with like diamond crusted. 1.00

00:31:18.860 They actually have to do with like phone coverings and stuff like that, but they, they, they

00:31:22.560 never look more expensive under their outfits than they do outside of their outfits from

00:31:27.640 what I've seen or what I've heard.

00:31:29.180 So that is a sex in the city lie.

00:31:31.040 Yeah. 0.66

00:31:31.520 Well, that's too bad.

00:31:33.620 Okay.

00:31:34.060 I'm beginning to doubt myself here.

00:31:36.020 So I might be wrong on this.

00:31:37.700 If fans have experienced something different, let me know.

00:31:39.960 Just, I'm not doubting my experience, but you know, the number of Muslim women who wear

00:31:45.260 really conservative clothing that I have seen in or heard about in less than extremely formal

00:31:51.640 environments is obviously going to be small because I am a male.

00:31:55.140 So there are likely listeners to this podcast who would have had more experience with this

00:31:59.760 than I have.

00:32:00.400 A little anecdote here I wanted to share with people that to me really helped me recognize

00:32:04.220 that some Muslim cultural groups are extremely similar to cultural groups near the areas I

00:32:10.760 grew up in, in Texas is I was hanging out with one of my Emirati friends in, I think it was

00:32:17.300 around Abu Dhabi at the time.

00:32:19.340 And he was getting dressed.

00:32:21.000 He always wore really formal, conservative, you know, religious outfits from my perspective,

00:32:27.560 but apparently not from his mom's perspective.

00:32:30.400 Because he didn't, I don't know, he hadn't tied something correctly or something like

00:32:34.360 that.

00:32:34.840 And we were about to leave the house and his mom was like, don't you dare leave the house

00:32:39.900 without your something, something. 1.00

00:32:41.800 You look like a fucking Egyptian when you do that. 1.00

00:32:44.840 And I just thought it was so funny because it's just, it's the type of off color insult 1.00

00:32:51.440 I would be so likely to hear in Texas.

00:32:55.420 All right.

00:32:55.880 Love you, Simone.

00:32:56.700 I love you too, Malcolm.

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Males Who Flex Wealth Are Gender Swapped THOTs

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