Based Camp - Memetic Weaponization of Teen Girl Rage： The Tragic Case of Natalie Rupnow

00:00:00.000 hello simone today we are going to be doing a deep dive on what some have called the fem cell

00:00:07.080 shooter because of a incorrect and forged manifesto that was shared around shortly

00:00:14.280 afterwards like she subscribed to fem cell ideology but if you dig deeper it was pretty

00:00:21.160 obvious that it was forged like if you actually go into it and the real manifesto i was able to

00:00:25.500 find it after a lot of research oh so there is a manifesto it's just that the wrong manifesto was

00:00:30.320 shared at first yes because she idiotically forgot to make her document public before going on the

00:00:37.480 mass shooting oh that's like when you accidentally forward an email to the wrong person you know

00:00:43.840 her boyfriend had to make it public which i think really blows the idea of her being a fem cell out 1.00

00:00:49.940 of the water um and as we go through because we'll go through a few of the longer snippets from

00:00:55.580 her manifesto it'll be pretty clear that she is probably closest to a four channer in ideology 0.82

00:01:03.540 like a stereotypical four channer very black belt and i would say that this shooting was downstream

00:01:09.160 of an extreme black pilling of the youth who just don't believe there's hope in anything or that the

00:01:14.640 older generation understands them or has any sort of plans for them or any good advice for them and

00:01:21.100 yeah i agree with that across the board in terms of i i think that we are at risk of many more such

00:01:28.360 shootings like this if we allow this rampant nihilism to continue to spread and it is being pushed by the

00:01:36.020 newest update of the urban monoculture not the update from a couple generations ago not the one that

00:01:40.340 has affected most adults but the new one sort of follows the the nothing strategy from never-ending

00:01:46.740 story people have begun to lose their hopes and forget their dreams so the nothing grows stronger

00:01:56.420 it's the emptiness that's left it is like a despair destroying this world and i have been trying to help

00:02:05.920 it but why because people who have no hopes are easy to control i can't remember that all i remember

00:02:18.000 from never ever ending story is is coming away with this like oppressive feeling of depression and

00:02:24.460 nihilism what what is what what is that in what do you just is is it those without hope are easy to

00:02:32.220 control okay okay okay well and that's checked out that seems to be what's going on okay when you when

00:02:39.740 you get rid of human creativity and human ingenuity and hope for a better future even though i've like

00:02:45.440 literally never i actually sat down with simone and it's like you know we may live to a post-work era

00:02:52.880 like when we are old it might be that only work is happening voluntarily which is pretty wild to think

00:02:59.360 about yeah there is a lot of reason to be optimistic about the future but i wouldn't have been optimistic 0.98

00:03:06.540 about her place in it because she seemed exceedingly stupid and we'll go into that as well wow okay 0.96

00:03:13.360 fighting words okay not really when you when you read it you're like really yeah i know nothing about 0.96

00:03:19.240 this so yeah please bring me up to speed okay great and the thing that will surprise people just

00:03:24.360 first i'll put some pictures on screen here of her is she is white and for a 15 year old girl it looks 0.94

00:03:30.780 like she would have grown up to be a fairly attractive woman she's going through her awkward

00:03:35.380 teenage phase at this point no i'm not i'd say probably top 10 attractiveness in terms of she was 0.99

00:03:40.980 okay so yeah she wasn't deformed she wasn't and she had a boyfriend like so she wasn't she was 0.99

00:03:46.140 thin she was had a decent looking face and again this is all in the context of i am trying to judge

00:03:54.280 a 15 year old's future attractiveness not me talking about how attractive she was i think you're

00:04:00.040 also trying to point out like is this because she was incredibly ugly in some way that would lead her 1.00

00:04:05.940 to be bullied and extra blackpilled by the world because she wasn't attractive but that clearly wasn't

00:04:11.120 the issue yeah that clearly was a technical issue with her appearance in a way that could 0.99

00:04:17.000 have radicalized her it had to have been something else is what you're saying she comes off and you'll

00:04:21.620 see this as i go through this if you're familiar of the story of creepy chan pretty similar to creepy

00:04:26.120 chan oh okay or or early bella delphine if you're familiar with her story okay um where she was basically

00:04:34.280 raised in environments like 4chan um and tried to customize her appearance and humor and attitude

00:04:43.280 to be like that that people on those sites respect um okay so the attack took place during a oh sorry

00:04:52.280 on december 16th 2024 tragic shooting occurred at the abundant life christian school in madison wisconsin

00:04:58.000 the shooter has been identified as natalie rapanau a 15 year old female student who also went by the

00:05:03.680 name samantha or sam you see in some of the correspondence here is what we know about the

00:05:08.780 incident and the shooter the attack took place during a study hall session resulting in the deaths

00:05:12.560 of two people a teacher and another teenage student six others were injured with two in critical

00:05:18.100 condition rapanau died from what the authorities believed to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound the gun

00:05:24.360 used was a nine millimeter handgun her parents melissa and jeff rapanau had been divorced and remarried

00:05:31.020 multiple times she mentions this in her manifesto they had a joint custody arrangements that sometime

00:05:37.620 required natalie to move between homes every few days uh enroll natalie in therapy to help her cope

00:05:44.000 with the custody arrangements and natalie had joined a shooting range with her father in the months before

00:05:49.820 the incident and a photo from august showed her at the firing range wearing protective gear and handling a

00:05:55.160 firearm her father was quite proud of this and they seemed to or he believed that she enjoyed her time

00:06:00.400 there um she also participated in karate competitions now she was intensely obsessed with school

00:06:08.640 shooters and in her manifesto talks about a number she considers herself a fangirl of so we'll get to that

00:06:14.880 oh wow okay normally martial arts and uh participating in in safe firearm use at a gun range is correlated

00:06:26.560 with more responsible gun use behavior so this was surprising yeah well no she she it's clear that she went

00:06:34.640 into all of this with the intention of doing a school shooting oh like she wasn't raised with it it kind of was

00:06:40.200 something she she talked her dad into okay so it's not like her dad raised her going to gun ranges like

00:06:47.520 this is gun safety we're a gun family it was more like hey dad i really want to go to the gun range together

00:06:52.560 it'll help us bond wouldn't you like me to like you more than my mom etc something like that yeah and

00:06:58.020 we'll see later in this her argument for why she did this could basically be boiled down to i decided

00:07:04.740 that my life had no hope and the future has no hope so i decided to commit suicide but wouldn't that

00:07:10.780 be a lame way to die why don't i remove some other weak genes from the gene pool in the process and remove 0.97

00:07:18.160 some of the filth that is humanity from the planet of the earth oh come on 0.95

00:07:22.640 uh all right so she's she sort of was an anti-natalist you could almost argue but like an 0.98

00:07:30.180 in-cell black pill version of an anti-natalist yeah that anti-natalist the anti-natalist view is

00:07:36.540 let's just all end the line you know it ends with us but keep in mind she also believed quote unquote

00:07:43.220 she she had written this that she was the mistake they never wanted of her parents and speaking of

00:07:48.400 both school and home they look at me but don't see me i am invisible until i do something they can't

00:07:53.760 ignore and she actually i'll just go straight for the document i think that's a better way to do it

00:07:59.220 okay but before i go into the document i also wanted to talk a bit about how this document was found and

00:08:06.540 you know what i'll just put the tweets on screen here but yeah there's a series of tweets about the

00:08:11.140 fake fem cell version of the manifesto that was going around and that is what actually motivated

00:08:16.920 the release of the real document the boyfriend was not going to release it at at start but people

00:08:22.700 were basically like look people are using this to uh spread like an ideology that wasn't hers using her 1.00

00:08:29.760 death like either release the real document or this fake document's going to gain more traction

00:08:34.580 um i will note some interesting things about going through the entire manifesto because it was like

00:08:40.080 four or five pages is that it doesn't really talk about sexual frustration it doesn't really talk

00:08:48.640 about her anything about being a woman or anything like that as being a bad thing so it doesn't appear 0.55

00:08:54.560 to be particularly gender-based although she does think that everyone has a disgusting body she 1.00

00:08:59.880 mentions that at one point but that is not like a oh i'm angry at men sort of saying she doesn't

00:09:05.840 mention politics at all in the in the document so this wasn't anything that was particularly

00:09:11.080 politically motivated she doesn't mention anything that seems stereotypically woke she seems to have

00:09:16.360 been fairly allergic to that and a lot of it is basically self-pitying i guess i'd say she's a

00:09:22.580 teenage girl yeah yeah all right so i'll start quoting here maybe you'll see me as a weirdo a freak

00:09:31.340 just as some of you do now but i'm not i'm not like the others i would never want to be like them 0.75

00:09:36.820 we'll always be freaks and we'll never be like other people you're boring and you're totally ordinary

00:09:43.520 and you know it was how they think and what they do on a simple day i hate how the population thinks

00:09:51.360 grows and talks about how they make romance fake if only some days we could do a public execution 1.00

00:09:56.580 that would be gladly needed i wouldn't mind throwing some stones at idiots or even watching 0.99

00:10:02.440 from the far back when they get hanged and then so you you get a lot of stuff like this like very 0.97

00:10:08.880 violent sort of 4chan-y but also very self-pitying and very desiring to be unique i am not like other

00:10:17.060 people is a constant theme of this which we've seen there's like teenage girls go this is a classic 0.98

00:10:21.640 teenage girl yeah they could have maybe even cured had she seen american beauty there's nothing worse

00:10:29.300 in life than being ordinary i know because it would have made her feel so embarrassed about having

00:10:35.340 these ideas yeah or like the virgin suicides yeah she'd just be like oh this is too basic i can't do

00:10:41.300 that but yeah it was painful hearing that because it sound parts of it sounded like my teenage diaries

00:10:49.160 my angsty days and we have those right we should like read them at some point on the show

00:10:55.260 maybe not but they are very fun to read well when i was especially when i was a teen they were

00:11:01.780 incredibly angsty and i reading this takes me back i mean part of me is thinking it's a wonder

00:11:07.640 more girls don't do school shootings you know because in the end like they're scary you know people are 1.00

00:11:15.940 afraid of teen boys in school shooting it's the girls who are scary that's why we originally decided 0.99

00:11:21.560 to have boys first because i was terrified of having two teen girls leading the tone in our family 1.00

00:11:27.400 i will note here teen girls almost never commit mass shootings this is very rare yeah this is extremely

00:11:34.040 there have been more mass shootings by trans women in the last four years i think than there have been

00:11:39.860 by women in the last 20 years that makes sense she is bringing dei to school shootings uh she's 0.91

00:11:46.100 shooting the glass ceiling um as it were but i am thinking also about the salem witch trials you know

00:11:53.920 this was an incredibly violent series of events that was driven by yeah very very very good point uh

00:11:59.960 getting a little bit when she's like i would like to throw a rock at them i would like to watch

00:12:03.880 as they you know get executed she could be in salem right so you're not an american and you don't know

00:12:11.700 what she's referring to describe the salem witch trials quickly so the salem witch trials took place

00:12:17.000 in the town of salem massachusetts when a bunch of pilgrims sort of had a mass hysteria event led by a small

00:12:24.080 cabal group clique of female teenage girls who started accusing various members of the town 1.00

00:12:33.500 of witchcraft there was a slave involved who kind of got coerced into feeding into the narrative as

00:12:41.400 well i think she might have been the first adult to kind of feed into this witchcraft narrative and

00:12:46.720 accusing people of practicing witchcraft but in the end a sizable number of people were killed one

00:12:54.620 very you know innocent man was crushed to death in a pretty ballsy way he basically just whenever they

00:13:00.080 asked him to confess his sins he would just say more weight and it was it was one of these instances

00:13:06.580 of teenage females being incredibly violent and evil and machiavellian and uncaring and psychopathic 0.94

00:13:16.560 and so this doesn't seem too far from that and i think having been a teenage female i i get that 0.87

00:13:25.340 there's they're scary they're scarier than teenage boys by a long shot when they yeah when they decide

00:13:30.840 to go scary by the way a movie i'd note if you want to watch a movie about teen girls being crazy

00:13:35.620 that i think it's really good and hugely underrated ginger snaps too uh not one ginger snaps too amazing

00:13:43.100 movie hugely like under underplayed as a cult classic see that's crazy in a fun way and i think what

00:13:49.180 would have been what would have been more helpful in terms of making the concept of being a school

00:13:56.140 shooter and suicidal school school shooter to cringe for this young lady would have been something like 0.92

00:14:02.120 the virgin suicides or american beauty like you pointed out yeah no i agree and there hasn't been

00:14:06.460 a movie like that in a really long time yeah it's been too long too long since we have made it cringe to

00:14:11.560 be a young teenage girl we're desiring to be it's a public service clearly you know we gotta get back to

00:14:17.280 this make it too you know too basic yeah okay so here is a quote from it that i think will throw off

00:14:23.280 the idea that this might have been an overly left-leaning person so here obviously i'm not

00:14:27.660 going to say the n-word but she uses the n-word um oh boy and then she says but it's only in one

00:14:34.180 section like one paragraph she mentions this and it's a complete non sequitur where it is in the

00:14:38.660 document she's just doing it to be edgy is she's just trying to look make it clear that she's not

00:14:43.360 edgy i suppose some of the other shooters she admired did it and then she decided she was really

00:14:48.100 trying to like simp for male mass school shooters this is this is clearly part of this for her i think

00:14:53.440 fangirling is another bad symptom or just uncomfortable symptom of being a teenage female you know this is 1.00

00:14:59.480 just one of those perfect storms of every way in which teenage female female hood was manifested in 1.00

00:15:06.960 her was manifested in exactly the wrong flavor yes so she says in words though worse once you sleep

00:15:15.700 with them you are one i don't care who you think you are or what you think you've done good for this

00:15:22.160 world of yours it will never matter because you will always have no thought and no brain to continue

00:15:28.540 with i hate looking at some of the people in society when seeing what they are and what they do 0.99

00:15:34.620 with their lives like how does one do that but i know how out of scum and just pure retardedness so 0.98

00:15:41.660 you can see it's very like meandering and doesn't really have a point it's almost like somebody trained

00:15:46.360 in ai on 4chan yeah yeah to go further here i'm glad to be different and not the same as other people

00:15:53.900 i know how to be formal i know how to use my words even if i get mad at you there has always been a good

00:16:01.640 reason whether or not i despise you or just because i can there's always been a good reason

00:16:08.240 either i despise you or just because i can i don't know that's a good reason just because i can

00:16:12.860 again this is so teenage girl writing uh guys very teenage it's teenage girl distilled 0.97

00:16:20.500 some of you guys really do deserve the execution punishment rather painful or not you deserve to be 0.95

00:16:27.000 dead but yet doesn't the whole world deserve that the main target has been anyone with some sort of 0.98

00:16:32.460 feeling or being or knowing any action to turn you wrong and left rather than the right and the better

00:16:38.200 so i that might be saying that she's right wing there i can't really make it out this is what she 1.00

00:16:44.220 had to say after praising a number of other mass shooters about the columbine mass shooters she goes

00:16:48.740 i've looked into him since like 2021 and 2022 and she has a picture of him and i've just realized

00:16:55.560 how much potential bombs have but it's not just that though it's his strategy his own method and

00:17:02.380 what led him to do it and the fact that he stuck to that some of his fangirls are like really strange

00:17:07.820 in my opinion but like aren't all fangirls so she's like questioning being in this fangirl community

00:17:14.900 for school shooters and then she goes on to say there are also others i admire or so i'd like to say

00:17:21.880 look up to and or find interesting otherwise most are just interesting to me unlike those retarded 1.00

00:17:28.580 fag fucks who simp over them like come on just stop so you can see very it just sounds like a 1.00

00:17:37.020 teenage girl's diary and i gosh 1.00

00:17:41.180 yeah go on no but we live in a society i we had a teen girl who we were helping at one point and she

00:17:51.800 would say stuff that sounded sort of like this sometimes not like this but like very like i'm

00:17:56.160 different no one's like me and i'm like everybody thinks that the number one thing you need to remember

00:18:00.920 when you're a teenager is be nice to your parents that's i'd say the number one thing i'd impart to

00:18:06.440 teenagers because that's going to be the strongest instinct that you need to overcome to learn to

00:18:11.620 intergenerationally strive because what's also just so interesting is it's hard for me to model like i

00:18:16.460 have never seen this trope come through in a teenage girl or boy who is from a large family they just

00:18:26.480 yeah i have something that having a lot of siblings and having a life in which by design you are presented

00:18:32.920 with responsibilities and limitations and hardship but in a meaningful way and by meaningful i mean

00:18:40.620 it's because there's something else that matters more instead of just oh this random bad thing happened

00:18:46.680 you know it's funny that you mentioned that not a single school shooter i'm aware of has been from a

00:18:51.120 large family yeah has had more than one sibling from my understanding maybe that's wild actually

00:18:56.420 well we have to look up that claim of course and actually check okay so i went through a lot of

00:19:02.320 ai is trying to find if any could find a single school shooter from an intact family with more than

00:19:08.540 one sibling i'm even talking just two siblings could not find a single one now some had parents who had

00:19:17.080 remarried or married other people and had a number of half siblings but here i'm looking for large

00:19:23.240 intact families it seems to have a hundred percent protection rate against somebody going crazy and

00:19:31.400 becoming a school shooter which is just wild and you know the next time somebody's like hey we need

00:19:37.120 to stop these school shootings we should ban guns you can be like or start having lots of kids again that

00:19:42.760 would also stop it but yeah i just even even when it comes to general angstiness sullenness

00:19:50.980 no of course even in hannah's children the amazing book on on like very big prenatalist families

00:19:57.920 there were some families that reported having depressed teens teens were struggling a little

00:20:04.540 bit but not in an angsty weird way like this i just you pointed out to me i thought it was really

00:20:13.760 interesting is there was a case called the wolf children of five kids that were raised in a cramped

00:20:18.600 manhattan apartment like a small studio apartment in manhattan which they only left once per year if that

00:20:25.800 some years they didn't leave at all yeah and there was like seven or eight of them living together

00:20:31.840 it might have been as high as 12 but they were smaller than yeah it was maybe in the like seven

00:20:37.480 range it was a lot they ended up becoming like they did a video documentary on them and if you watch

00:20:44.360 the documentary cognitively and emotionally they are much more mature than most random teenagers you

00:20:50.600 would meet yes which is crazy yes you would expect them to be completely out of whack and and and

00:20:57.940 terribly regulated and everything but but in the end living with those limitations living in such

00:21:03.520 close quarters with other people having to make that work forced them to be reasonable and patient and

00:21:10.380 no i don't i don't think that that's my takeaway from it my takeaway from it is that the cognitive

00:21:16.120 stabilization and benefits of having lots of siblings is so astronomically high it can outweigh

00:21:24.300 being locked in a room your entire life basically you can be raised like a feral child basically and

00:21:30.320 if you have lots of siblings you will be better off than your you know a single kid who's going to

00:21:37.580 tennis camp and going to the shooting range with her dad and who the parents spend tons of time on

00:21:42.780 that is how much it matters in terms of cognitive stability to have a huge number of siblings well i

00:21:48.960 think siblings are very grounding because they constantly remind you that the world isn't about

00:21:53.680 you that everything's not just about you and your needs that you are not entitled to anything you know

00:22:02.560 and that you can gain a lot of benefit from caring for other people and enjoy feel feel genuine reward

00:22:10.380 and pleasure by helping someone else before you help yourself there's just so many good things that

00:22:15.840 come from it and i as someone who had bad dreams as an only child in which my parents told me i was

00:22:21.420 going to have a little sibling you know who just thought it was the worst thing ever to have siblings

00:22:25.700 it's so weird for me to now acknowledge this i feel a little uncomfortable saying it

00:22:31.880 yeah all right so i'm gonna keep going here yeah i've nobody knows i'm doing this i've got the 0.99

00:22:39.700 weapons by lies and manipulation and my father's stupidity oh i planned on shooting myself a while 1.00

00:22:45.960 ago but thought maybe it's better for evolution rather than just one stupid boring suicide which 1.00

00:22:52.760 hopefully i'll reach that point i planned this myself and nobody else i act alone there would have 0.95

00:22:59.460 been no way to change what happened you can't and never will know you never cared too much to know

00:23:06.000 anything about me i'm glad you don't know so clearly here this is like i'm better than my caretaker 0.99

00:23:12.300 and teens go through this phase do they think their parents are idiots these are all very natural 0.81

00:23:16.820 feelings and again i think the problem is that she it's also it's it's a natural important thing 0.98

00:23:23.460 as well i think as a teenager and as someone becoming an adult in the process of becoming an adult to

00:23:28.660 realize that yeah you don't matter no one cares what you think no one cares how you feel you really

00:23:34.900 don't matter i think an issue that i i i see with modern parenting is that

00:23:42.700 you're being gaslit as a teen and told that your feelings do matter and people do care what you think

00:23:49.880 absolutely yes and her parents are like oh no you're so special we care what you think you mean so much

00:23:56.840 to us but she knows it's not true and now she's dealing with it in this really obviously toxic and

00:24:05.240 tragic way yes and i know this is the interesting thing when you look at like why she's mad at her

00:24:11.520 parents and stuff like that everyone's like oh you guys are so horrible to your kids like you bought

00:24:16.440 them you you know etc like how could you do that i haven't seen anything like that kids don't whine

00:24:22.500 about stuff like that in their letters like this or manifestos like this it's like my parents got

00:24:28.440 divorced and remarried multiple times my parents didn't take the time to understand me my parents 0.99

00:24:35.460 were stupid and weak that's the general complaints you see about parents in fact i i see the i was 0.99

00:24:42.300 disgusted at how weak my parents are specifically my father was to be the most common complaint in the 1.00

00:24:50.000 incel world um really well i think most people if they're not i i guess okay yes being a teen you

00:24:58.180 you hit this point where you discover that your mother and dad are not god that they are not flawless

00:25:03.500 they do not know everything because i think there's this period between we'll say i don't know we haven't

00:25:08.500 hit it with our with our kids yet maybe maybe from six to ten where kids seem to think very highly of

00:25:15.860 their parents and then it hits them oh my gosh these people are human and it's this huge upset and

00:25:22.240 that's normal that's very normal it is normal but what i what i was noting here is that if you are

00:25:31.080 afraid of failing your kids somewhere on the spectrum if you read a lot of the writing that

00:25:37.060 young people are putting out there which i have because you know i spent time on like before chan and

00:25:41.360 crystal cafe and all this stuff the complaint that young people have about their parents which

00:25:46.760 i'm trying to hit home is not the complaint that previous generations had oh that they were too strict

00:25:51.980 with me they were too it's not they were too strict with me it's not that they were never around

00:25:57.500 it's either and i've seen this this this mirrored complaint a lot and she seems to argue this complaint

00:26:03.240 as well it's that my mom settled for a weak man like she should have been more what's the word here 1.00

00:26:09.320 hypergamous yeah she should have been more hypergamous basically this is a complaint people 0.95

00:26:14.680 have why isn't my mom what they blame the weakness of their father for their own weakness they're like 1.00

00:26:24.580 i am either weak or ugly or not motivated or not creative because i got bad genes from my dad

00:26:31.900 that is weird that's a meme like that's a thing it's like a hardcore yes a hardcore meme especially

00:26:37.980 and it makes sense because when you break out of the urban monoculture the first thing that people

00:26:46.500 realize and that floods are made if you have any like degree of breaking out and young people are

00:26:51.000 going to break out always so what the urban monoculture has been pushing with them is nihilism

00:26:54.360 but then oh human genes exist and i am a large part a reflection of my genes so if i'm a young kid

00:27:01.340 and i hate myself it must be because i have bad genes and then there's this sort of side assumption

00:27:07.200 which is and i don't know why the moms always get a pass but they generally seem to get a pass in 1.00

00:27:12.740 these like her mom this is me i think it's because i thought teen girls really hate their moms 1.00

00:27:19.740 she i mean it's not that she liked her mom but i think it's that she learned from incel forms

00:27:26.040 how to speak about her dad and the way to speak about her dad that 0.90

00:27:29.340 i just have more to say about men yeah well i think it's more disgusting to be weak as a male

00:27:37.220 if a female is weak in our society we don't treat that as like this huge failure whereas if a male 0.99

00:27:46.560 doesn't stand his ground or show discipline and order for his kids or show a vision and and a desire

00:27:53.560 to achieve that for his own life um it's very easy for kids to grow up denigrating him

00:27:59.080 and you'll see this a lot so i just think that people are hugely optimizing for things kids don't

00:28:03.900 care about kids don't care how frequently you're around that was like two generations ago kids don't

00:28:09.240 care uh that you're too strict or you're shoving your value system on them uh what kids do care about 0.96

00:28:14.740 in this generation is you being pathetic so be careful about that um okay so next i've always been 0.91

00:28:22.220 a quiet kid i say or at least that's what everyone else around me has said and never really had the 0.97

00:28:27.300 brains for most things because i wasn't smart enough for people around me even though i'm good

00:28:31.760 at science and some stuff nobody really looked at me in a good way in elementary or middle school

00:28:37.520 nor even high school right now doesn't matter much because i like being alone very sour grapesy right

00:28:43.340 like i want attention but i also don't want to deal with people sometimes i just hate being picked on 0.95

00:28:48.480 but yet i mourn for friends but sooner than later they'll leave my therapist sucks he's just some 0.97

00:28:55.020 weak fat guy who doesn't deserve everything he has now nobody deserves anything good so a lot of this 0.99

00:29:01.240 is based over so scary i don't know what to say like very teen girl like that's why i believe this 0.95

00:29:06.580 like i read this and i was like this is so no this is this checks out i i have i don't know what the

00:29:12.080 other fem cell manifesto the fake one red like but this is not questionable yeah i would i mean if it

00:29:20.300 didn't seem like something written by a teen girl i would have just assumed that it was a teen girl

00:29:25.200 using ai but i don't think anyone has so little dignity that they would use ai to write their

00:29:30.300 oh no it has so many mistakes in it i mean the grammar the grammatical mistakes i'm making here are not me

00:29:35.940 misreading it like it's really poorly structured like it's clear that this was not a fully educated human

00:29:41.420 being and a lot of people said actually this is pretty normal grasp of english of 15 year olds

00:29:46.160 these days just because the education system is so bad yeah and the other reason i believe this one

00:29:52.360 is because it doesn't seem to have an agenda it's not painting her as a specific type of person

00:29:57.760 and there's an awful lot of complaint about why she hates her parents for silly reasons

00:30:02.340 yeah it's just it's just female again like i ah i was what i think is interesting is the repeated

00:30:10.360 like not just her dad but like other male authority figures in her life that is interesting

00:30:14.860 by their weakness yeah she's disgusted by the weakness of society which she sees as filthy 0.50

00:30:21.060 i think that's a product for sure of what she's been exposed to that we have this equation of

00:30:29.540 female angst which is the the volume is turned way way up by being an only child or an almost only child 0.99

00:30:38.280 with hands-on parents and a stifling smothering society and then she's exposed to this series of

00:30:47.360 memes that's very tough on men and rather than turn her hate inward like a lot of teenage girls do and 0.96

00:30:55.620 just do the normal thing start cutting develop an eating disorder go trans she decides to then become 1.00

00:31:01.980 a school shooter so she is quite indeed not like other girls in that way well i mean think about the 0.94

00:31:08.200 way that she's approaching this which i find really fascinating is that if you look at the

00:31:12.660 fem cells they look at men and are like there is a patriarchal structure that is stomping on us

00:31:18.880 there is like it's this cabal of men they see men as like this unifying force that like they work

00:31:24.300 together they check each other yeah represents a new wave of disgust and anger with men which is to say

00:31:32.160 why are men so weak why why as growing up are the men i see so disgustingly self like like desiring

00:31:43.620 affirmation desiring of of of weak and pathetic things where are the strong men the men that i

00:31:50.960 want around me the men that i want in society which is such a different complaint than you would get from

00:31:56.640 a typical fem cell right you know it's almost like a true fem cell and that she's like outright 1.00

00:32:02.640 admitting it like what i mean by this is it's not that i can't get anyone to sleep with me it's that

00:32:07.260 no men are worthy of existing in this society although again she did have a boyfriend so

00:32:12.860 to continue my so-called family never included me because i was too weird for them again this whole

00:32:21.700 like i'm different thing my father never treated me with respect my father was always make me stand

00:32:27.580 out in the worst possible way yet bring up how i fail at school or can't get out of bed simply because

00:32:33.760 i don't want to leave home he makes me look like a freak to his family and friends he says so much

00:32:39.260 but look on his bad side so here you see this is something that that young girls especially in in

00:32:45.000 your diary even saw this you were like why am i freaking out that like my parents are cheering for me

00:32:49.460 at a sports game like they're trying to be nice you had the ability to like have some self-reflection

00:32:54.900 on like why do i care that my parents are trying to oh i'm crazy that's what's happening and i'd also

00:33:01.200 point out here that what kids are afraid of is their parents in impotent ways trying to get them to do

00:33:08.320 things it's not their parents in effective ways trying to get them to do things and i think it's

00:33:14.600 yeah of the way her father interacted with her as well as the social shaming and connection of

00:33:20.660 himself to her in these you know big in-person environments that created this kind of language

00:33:26.040 one of the ways i think that will really help avoid this with our daughters and boys for that

00:33:33.820 extent is i really want to include them in the podcast i really want to include them in our social

00:33:40.240 media in the same way that i talk with you i'd love to have days where it's one of them or something

00:33:45.620 like that you know or two of them instead of us you know makes this more of a family affair and i think

00:33:51.160 that if you have somebody regularly publicly broadcasting the way that they're thinking about

00:33:55.680 things and people notice red flags like the type of red flags that she was clearly exhibiting 0.67

00:34:02.020 they can help constructively steer them back onto a good path and these sorts of deep conversations

00:34:08.600 where she got to signal what she thought is something that is clear that she just wasn't

00:34:14.580 having with important people in her life yeah yeah that's a good point it was all going online or

00:34:22.920 inward which was very toxic for her

00:34:26.060 then people can be like well won't your kids find some outlet like that unlikely because if your parents

00:34:33.920 and this is the way that's actually happened to me now because we have such a big audience i

00:34:37.500 like stopped responding to facebook or comments or anything like that because i'm like i know this 0.96

00:34:43.480 person has built rage in me and i want to explain to them why they're so stupid but why am i wasting 0.87

00:34:48.320 time responding to this person when at any given time day or night there's over 100 people watching me 0.98

00:34:52.660 like i i should be focused on the messages that i'm putting out to a wider platform not this one

00:34:58.160 individual on facebook who pissed me off yeah maybe and there's also that element that i think

00:35:04.880 a lot of everyone uh wants to be heard in some way and for many people feeling like they're heard by

00:35:13.440 some audience online maybe some way to make them feel better i suppose so like she might have felt

00:35:20.520 sufficiently heard if she felt she had an audience that engaged with her ideas however small it may be

00:35:26.700 i don't know i'm not sure no but it's really hard no it's clear she mentioned that a few times if she

00:35:33.400 had a wider audience she wouldn't have done this oh wow okay but because a lot of the social capital 0.99

00:35:39.680 of today's use is based on how many people are watching you are looking at you online which i think

00:35:45.000 she felt like especially as ai begins to grow like am i ever gonna have that am i ever gonna have

00:35:50.200 people who care what i say or think or am doing it's interesting all right so next i was the wrong

00:35:57.880 child of the family my parents admit they didn't want me nor ever did even if i'm grown i'm always

00:36:04.160 the one who sat or sat around in the other room because they didn't want to interact with me

00:36:07.840 at any point in time then i stayed in my room all day during the day and night and after and before

00:36:14.980 school as well again you can see incredibly bright and this is why i don't think that this is a faked

00:36:21.180 manifesto i would say articulate the word you're looking for is articulate she could be very bright 0.95

00:36:25.820 and just not have been instructed well in writing okay but i think if she was you know she would have

00:36:31.920 at least put it through an ai to fix the grammar i mean if it's the last thing that's going out there

00:36:35.640 i think a lot of people don't show their kids these resources we've met plenty of kids of really

00:36:40.940 really smart articulate people who have not even really told their kids about ai and they live in

00:36:49.820 sheltered enough worlds where they're not using those tools to cheat on everything yet i think

00:36:53.960 that ai adoption is pretty lumpy even among young people that makes sense that makes sense yeah maybe 0.97

00:37:01.000 she just didn't engage with it i also want to note on this last one i thought was pretty interesting

00:37:05.160 is she talks about her parents not wanting her and this brings me to the part of pronatalism that i get

00:37:10.640 so disgusted with which is a pronatalist that are like it is pronatalist to ban condoms and to ban

00:37:16.720 pornography oh and it's like we want someone to get someone pregnant because like they couldn't like 1.00

00:37:21.320 get off like is that are you really that like insane of a person like no we don't want the people 0.95

00:37:28.580 to exist who only exist because their parents lacked self-control yeah not cool not cool insane actually 0.99

00:37:37.420 i am not hate i am simply pointing this out you and the system will always suck therefore we need

00:37:44.100 a revolution nobody understands that though nor do people understand the fact that they probably sat

00:37:49.240 next to me in class and never thought a single word about me nor ever really thought to i don't

00:37:54.560 really care though to be honest nobody really has such teen angst here first of all like she wants

00:38:01.780 people to think about her and to notice her but she also wants to not focus on people we talk about

00:38:07.920 what it is to go through puberty as a young girl and it's a desire to be treasured um that's not what

00:38:14.240 she's feeling in society and it was not something she was able to generate well it's it's horrible because

00:38:19.800 it's a desire to be treasured often accompanied by not always but often accompanied by a disgust with

00:38:25.760 one's self because you're going through puberty and it doesn't always look that great you know

00:38:32.520 it didn't look great right it was her it was not bad oh okay lucky her must be nice uh the video i

00:38:41.540 mean the interesting thing is that she seemed almost pathologically against like a makeup or trying to 0.89

00:38:45.580 doll herself up at any extent and she still looks pretty fine oh wow wow you know so i i yeah that was not

00:38:55.660 the issue with her you you say this knowing you you can admit this was the issue with me right you

00:39:01.060 didn't think i looked okay right i don't know i think you guys are probably around the same

00:39:05.620 attractiveness level oh no then she probably felt super ugly because i looked freaking horrible okay

00:39:10.660 yeah then if you thought i looked okay as an adolescent then we have words oh as an adolescence i'm

00:39:18.000 talking today as an adolescence yeah you probably would have been by average person considered less

00:39:22.580 attractive than her yeah okay okay okay yeah all right so she was yeah okay i just want to calibrate

00:39:28.120 there no but i don't know what goes through her ugly duckling phase is not saying i became a swan but

00:39:34.940 i'm not at the nadir of my attractive hold on what i'm saying here is this is actually in okay so

00:39:43.060 it is weird to have to try to judge the attractiveness of a 15 year old girl because she's 1.00

00:39:48.580 a kid right well especially well and it's also sad that well okay maybe it's not because i was gonna

00:39:54.740 say i don't remember other people reading the attractiveness of the colobine shooters but i think 0.99

00:39:59.960 they just just just google her this is so bad oh yeah no no she's attractive 0.92

00:40:07.440 she looks very sad but she's she's an attractive no definitely she looks way better than i did as a 0.86

00:40:16.340 teen poor thing i mean i feel okay so you see what i mean when i'm like top 10 percent of women right

00:40:23.960 her age yeah oh yeah oh yeah yeah no but it's weird to be sorry i i will say it is weird to have to say

00:40:33.200 this about a 15 year old but it's actually important because when you're talking about

00:40:36.940 teenage girls a huge part of angst or hatred with the world can come from perceptions of their

00:40:44.440 own attractiveness vis-a-vis other individuals yeah and so it's important to be able to say

00:40:49.660 no she was not unattractive if anything she was only attracted into the spectrum

00:40:54.860 for somebody who never did also though let's keep you know very common issue body dysmorphia

00:41:01.880 and teenage girls i mean well she doesn't complain ever about being an attractive she doesn't yeah she 1.00

00:41:07.900 doesn't so that that clearly wasn't the issue here the issue here was well maybe i mean maybe she would 1.00

00:41:14.100 have been better off if she was body dysmorphic because then her hatred would have turned inward and 1.00

00:41:18.280 like i said she would have either gone trans or interact i think that might be part of what led her to

00:41:23.700 this form of radicalization yeah she didn't she wasn't hating herself enough she needed to hate

00:41:28.200 herself more she didn't have an obvious excuse for all of the emotion she was feeling she didn't have

00:41:35.300 a she wasn't ugly enough yeah because i'm ugly or oh i'm feeling this because i'm trans or oh i'm

00:41:40.420 feeling this because i'm you know ex-discriminated group you know she had she was a white straight girl 1.00

00:41:46.680 right like above average attractiveness so there was no outlet other than just no it's just

00:41:53.260 society that's broken when you get this black built and i also think that her goal for trying 1.00

00:42:00.440 to fix society is interesting because she didn't feel like she had agency to do that which is a huge

00:42:05.440 thing we focus on with our kids and future day and all that yeah you have the agency to fix it

00:42:11.400 yeah that's messed up yeah that she but i don't i think that was all just a just so

00:42:19.260 story there that i'm you know taking myself out and she just hurt and she was angry and it was 0.99

00:42:27.480 displaced aggression against herself and others that she turned to yeah and the final one continue

00:42:35.940 so the final line here i clip is the wolf hunts its prey and continues life with no other bruises or scars

00:42:45.020 there is no predator and prey anymore it is all filth walking there's nothing more with filth it simply

00:42:52.860 cannot die or make hunts real if only they want is value finally one learns that boredom is a disease

00:43:02.080 of civilization that's what she concluded her manifesto is

00:43:06.500 so it's ennui again yeah and if you look at her social media posts they're very like pay attention

00:43:16.000 to me sort of stuff leading up to this they were things like the quiet ones always strike the loudest

00:43:21.000 and i'm broken i'm what you made me they're almost like live laugh love of teenage angst i plan to be a

00:43:28.400 school shooter she just had that that pinterest board oh what we should not be making light this is bad

00:43:33.980 i i they're not this is no it is no we should be this is the way that you prevent this is you make

00:43:41.120 light of it in a way where people who have these feelings realize that they are so basic they should

00:43:49.020 be scoffed at and not to air them because this is not what she expected she expected to be thought of

00:43:55.000 as weird or different or out there because that's what she wanted to be thought of as unique not basic

00:44:01.840 yeah that's the biggest fear of every teenage girl is that they'll be thought of as ordinary

00:44:09.400 oh no i'll put the american beauty there's anything worse than being ordinary you haven't even seen

00:44:16.980 american beauty all the way through i tried to watch it with you and you like stopped no but i'm gonna

00:44:20.980 give you clips from virgin suicides because that also is just so

00:44:24.900 you're not even old enough to know how bad life gets obviously doctor you've never been a 13 year

00:44:32.720 old girl and then other clips here quotes the countdown has begun they'll know what i mean when

00:44:40.280 the time comes um well and i i do wonder what if the boyfriend has access to this google doc did he not

00:44:48.740 no this is not google doc stuff this is stuff she was posting publicly leading up to this no no but i'm

00:44:54.160 referring to the google doc manifesto that he shared i wouldn't have thought that this definitely meant

00:44:59.780 a school shooting was coming this is i mean you know you weren't 90 genuinely my thoughts so i was

00:45:06.620 a boyfriend is she's gonna spell check this before she does the school shooting like i'm gonna like a 0.95

00:45:12.000 grammar check this before uh i'll get scared when she grammar checks her manifesto but an ungrammar

00:45:19.260 checked manifesto i'm like she's probably not no one's gonna leave that public you've been seriously

00:45:23.800 depressed before you just kind of things fall through the cracks you know here here are some

00:45:28.600 other social media posts leading up to this okay i am a shadow but i will make them see oh

00:45:34.300 well if she wasn't dead already she'd die of the cringe as she read back what she posted

00:45:44.460 uh yeah actually a lot of this reads to me somebody who might have become like an interesting

00:45:50.300 based person if they had made it out of this phase that's the that is the tragedy that is i mean well

00:45:55.600 the the tragedies the the innocent people too who were killed by this which is devastating i i mean we

00:46:02.880 we freak out i mean our son asked to go to public school and one of my first thoughts when we're like

00:46:09.900 well i mean you want to try it out but i'm like oh i don't want him to get shot you know it's it's just

00:46:18.920 a thing in american public schools and i don't like that and this is no no stanley well do you want to

00:46:30.180 tell your father about what happened at school today oh i flunked my math quiz no the other thing

00:46:36.040 what other thing oh the school shooting yes the school shooting oh yeah some kids shot up the

00:46:44.560 school was it you no did you get shot no oh well what's this about failing a math quiz

00:46:52.800 yeah that's really sad we should get flak jackets for our kids

00:46:58.380 good weight training anyway you know i'd that actually be quite a thing and i think we should

00:47:05.500 do it is our kids go to school in flak jackets if he won't leave public school we will send him

00:47:10.800 in a bulletproof vest and other people might make fun of him and he's like hey school shootings are

00:47:16.060 real like he'd be known as like such a thing on on on campus oh he'd just be like punch me bro

00:47:22.800 because he keeps saying bro now yeah my god bro he won't stop bro

00:47:28.380 everything's bro oh boy jeez okay i'm gonna i need to get him on like 1950s

00:47:36.980 slang that'd be much better gee willikers gee willikers come at me sir 1.00

00:47:43.420 but yeah you're you're right i love you dad simone and i i think it's important to

00:47:48.880 investigate things like this so that we can learn how to raise our kids better and to avoid becoming

00:47:56.480 this sort of person you know because people are always like oh your kids are gonna like kill you

00:48:00.480 or go crazy or whatever right and i think that it's very important that we investigate why people

00:48:07.960 actually go crazy like what are they talking about well so let's break it down make sure they're heard

00:48:13.580 give them agency because she really didn't feel like she had agency in the world give them hardship

00:48:20.260 and responsibility and like you know make them touch grass and by make them touch grass i mean

00:48:24.400 surround them with things that make them realize that the world is not all about them that there

00:48:29.120 are other people around them who also have needs and also live in the world so they don't realize

00:48:34.420 they realize that they're a small yes they're small and yes they're meaningless but they can also fix

00:48:39.440 things and make a big difference in other people's lives and in the world you know because

00:48:43.040 she got in half the way there right i'm small i'm meaningless no one cares but she didn't go

00:48:48.360 a little bit further to be like oh and because other people don't care about me they only care

00:48:54.120 about themselves i can impact their lives in a way that's very meaningful to them you know and i can

00:48:58.320 change the world because a lot of people are very thoughtless and not changing and i think the final

00:49:03.940 thing is have a masculine goal-directed figure in their lives and when people hear masculine today in an

00:49:12.120 online environment what they hear is oh like andrew right yeah and i always point out no no no you

00:49:19.140 don't want to be the claudius from the movie gladiator you want to or the commodus from gladiator

00:49:23.700 you want to be the maximus you want to be the the leader the person was a vision for a better future

00:49:31.540 because that is what women actually are drawn to they are drawn to individuals with agency who want 0.95

00:49:37.340 to make the world a better place and have a plan for doing that yeah at least an aspiration of doing

00:49:43.260 that if you look at her complaints about her father it's stuff like he sat around all day smoking weed

00:49:47.520 like that is the antithesis of that right

00:49:51.720 this sort of when i hug our kids each night and tell them that i love them and tell them that their job

00:50:02.420 is to fix the world and they promise to fix the world i really mean it i'm like i really need you

00:50:07.320 to fix the world octavian torsen like please you don't understand like but actually i love it

00:50:16.960 because no one else is that's always a weird thing to me that so many people are like wow you guys like

00:50:23.580 so have like main character syndrome and it's like no one else is doing anything like what you have to

00:50:29.560 have main character syndrome main character syndrome isn't a bad thing everything of grandeur in this

00:50:35.560 world was achieved by somebody with delusions of grandeur that is the all grandeur starts with

00:50:41.780 delusions yes it is it is proper that is the only way you fix things you have to be willing to have the

00:50:48.580 type of aspirations for yourself and for the future that when you tell someone like noah's art they're

00:50:53.160 like wow that's fucking crazy and you're like well no one else is doing it 0.92

00:50:58.400 anyway love you to death have a great day i love you too hug your family 0.99

00:51:05.700 and be nice to your parents people if you're a teenager and you want to look down on them

00:51:12.580 you are pre-programmed to feel that way try not to

00:51:16.280 try to see some continuity look to your ancestors if you can't admire your parents

00:51:21.820 i love you i hope people get better i'm sorry for everyone who was hurt by this

00:51:28.700 the end the end all right and we'll do the totally straight neck totally

00:51:38.080 i saw something that about historical spoons remember when we went to that museum in st andrews

00:51:47.360 and they had the spoon that you needed to take to the cafeterias to eat

00:51:53.220 no i don't you don't remember there was like a little like glass case that showed someone's spoon

00:51:59.120 because every time you went to the cafeteria to eat at the university when it was first founded

00:52:03.740 you needed your spoon in the 1400s that's wild like a long time ago you know everyone had their

00:52:10.420 own utensils and this concept of being born with a silver spoon actually probably meant that you were

00:52:20.020 born with a silver spoon like really fancy you know instead of maybe like a wooden or iron spoon or

00:52:27.180 whatever it is that everyone else ate with and now i i understand why that ceremonial um gift came to

00:52:36.840 be because i never oh yeah i had a silver spoon as a kid i remember it in among my baby gifts because i

00:52:43.180 saw them yeah that it's it's still it's still a common ceremonial baby gift in some cultures to give

00:52:48.820 them a silver spoon but it i never understood it or the phrase he was born with a silver spoon in his

00:52:55.020 mouth and now i get it if you live in a society where everywhere you go you have to have an eating

00:52:59.880 utensil you go to a restaurant you have to bring your eating utensil you go to a cafeteria you have

00:53:03.640 to bring your eating utensil you go to your family's dinner table you bring your own eating utensil

00:53:07.220 if you are showing up with the ferrari of eating utensils wow well he was everybody notices that

00:53:15.620 everyone knows yeah because otherwise you have to like save up for a nice spoon you know by the way

00:53:20.100 people sprung for in the past you did a great job with the salsa you made me a few notes okay blend

00:53:26.540 it longer some things especially the jalapenos were not properly chopped up like they were still

00:53:31.280 really big chunks but other than that really solid job yeah i think the the recipe that i was following

00:53:38.820 just had you put everything into the thing is they had you put everything into a blender but we don't

00:53:43.840 have a blender we only have a food processor and it doesn't quite blend non-chopped foods the same

00:53:49.000 way so i just have to account for that should we get a blender they don't cost much sinking

00:53:53.940 we're getting one on black friday but we just don't have a lot of space for appliances and we

00:53:57.520 have are you serious we have an entire basement with with shelves it's already so cluttered if you get

00:54:04.980 okay we can get a blender if you get rid of those plant things that you're never going to use again

00:54:10.700 they're taking up so much space a deal no not at all i will use those again okay okay how about this

00:54:18.640 you need to use them or they will disappear in pretty days yeah no because the kids will likely

00:54:24.460 use them you really think so i really think so yes all right i want to i want to ask you about the

00:54:34.700 really cute note you had written for me saying mommy i'm going to give you money tomorrow i love you

00:54:40.720 mom from dear octavian why did you decide to write that note because you wanted to be nice but we have

00:54:50.200 to find it first hi titan hello love hi oh big hug you're so fun do you want some popcorn for dinner

00:55:04.260 i made some what's this mommy yeah buddy what

00:55:10.260 yes

00:55:11.260 those are mine i made it for my name again this is actually mommy said i just keep this

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Based Camp - December 19, 2024

Memetic Weaponization of Teen Girl Rage： The Tragic Case of Natalie Rupnow

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