Based Camp - New Pope Speed Runs Schism By Excommunicating SSPX

00:00:00.000 ask yourself why they're doing this. Like the Latin mass, it's clearly more popular. It's

00:00:05.720 clearly practiced in churches that have lower attrition rates. It's clearly practiced in

00:00:10.120 churches that have higher birth rates. The common people love it. Why would you remove something

00:00:15.820 like that? The reason you would do that is if your explicit goal was the demoralization and

00:00:23.460 destruction of the institution. It really feels that way. It super feels that way. The Vatican

00:00:28.620 actually has a a monetary incentive to lean in to this because when you have all these catholic

00:00:37.880 schools and all these convents and all these monasteries shutting down because no one's left

00:00:44.280 in the area guess what you get to do they're literally like king henry the eighth thing 0.99

00:00:48.780 their own church they're selling it for hearts and i think that gay sex parties would you like 0.99

00:00:56.240 to know more. Hello, Malcolm. I'm excited to be speaking with you today because we have an 0.99

00:01:02.220 excommunication party and there's schisms taking place. And of course, it's about your favorite

00:01:07.560 thing in the entire world, the Catholic Church. So here is a news bulletin from AP News. Vatican

00:01:15.200 City has responded aggressively Thursday to a traditionalist group that consecrated bishops

00:01:21.840 without the Pope's consent, declaring the Society of St. Pius X had formally broken with the

00:01:28.320 Catholic Church. It excommunicated its bishops and priests and warned its faithful that they too

00:01:34.420 faced the harshest sanctions in the Church. By declaring a schism and extending excommunications

00:01:40.760 to potentially thousands of Catholics, the Vatican's Doctrine Office went above and beyond

00:01:46.200 the minimum sanctions foreseen by the Church's canon law to respond to the Consecration's

00:01:51.420 wednesday of four new bishops the society known by its acronym sspx celebrates the ancient latin

00:01:58.700 mass and wait wait this is sspx that got excommunicated i know that's like mainstream

00:02:04.820 catholicism what i mean by that is spsx doesn't hold any like weird or particularly offensive

00:02:10.760 theological beliefs you know they're not particularly racist or homophobic or do even

00:02:17.160 anything as weird as like mortification at like really high rates like you see with some catholic 0.94

00:02:21.920 groups the reason why the vatican has chosen to have a beef with them is because they practice

00:02:26.300 the latin mass and because they believe that catholicism is the one true religion and that's

00:02:32.640 really it that is what was made them worthy of the ban on being able to choose their own bishops

00:02:38.660 without explicit papal approval which no other catholic group is subject to and thus excommunication

00:02:45.420 I mean, we'll talk about the differences, but, like, they're one of the biggest and fastest growing and highest fertility groups.

00:02:50.480 Yeah, like, I know a lot of people.

00:02:51.380 And they're like, hey, look, it's my foot. Let's shoot it. Pew, pew, pew. 0.98

00:02:54.800 But no, these are the only Catholics having any kids, right? 0.99

00:02:57.500 And I want to note here, they have done this once before.

00:02:59.960 The Catholic Church has, in the 80s, they excommunicated a number of high-level people in SPX.

00:03:05.180 But this time is different because they were more explicit that the lay people who go to these churches are also subject to this.

00:03:15.420 So I'll just quote here from a newspaper article on this, and this is in America Jesuit Reviews.

00:03:21.320 So this is a Catholic newspaper, so this is not me putting words in, like, the church's

00:03:25.860 mouth or anything like this.

00:03:27.280 Today's Vatican decree also goes a step further, warning the priests and lay members of SSPX

00:03:32.940 that, quote, from now on, end quote, they too will be in schism and automatically excommunicated

00:03:39.800 if they, quote, adhere, end quote, to the schism.

00:03:43.060 What it here means is largely clarified in the 1996 explanatory note of the Pontificate Council of Legislative Texts on the, quote, excommunication for schism incurred by the members of the movement of Bishop Marcel Lebov, which was referred to in an explanatory note attached to today's decree.

00:04:02.900 I love it how something so truly evil to people who have dedicated their entire life to a religion can be done in such a bureaucratic fashion.

00:04:09.980 but anyway back to this the 1996 note explains that if labiv deacons and priests freely carry

00:04:15.840 out their ministry was in the schismatic movement e.g was in sspx in disobedience of the pope then

00:04:22.940 that is a formal adherence to schism the question of the laity's adherence to schism depends on the

00:04:27.820 person's intention and whether he or she adopts sspx attitude towards doctrine this is really

00:04:34.880 like really evil stuff man and you're gonna say well they ignored the pope's orders the pope's 0.84

00:04:40.680 orders were patently ridiculous the the people who had spent their entire lives and were highly 0.89

00:04:46.060 dedicated to the church and he didn't like them because of their views on ecumenicalism and the 0.97

00:04:52.080 latin math like that's what he was mad at them for that's why he said they couldn't become bishops

00:04:56.440 but they went ahead and became bishops anyway that that's what this was over it's completely

00:05:00.840 unreasonable i so brief aside here we'll be going over some other churches because it's not just

00:05:07.360 catholics that have a schism problem right now but like these people have actively not wanted

00:05:12.840 to schism they've been holding their nose they've been taking the sacrifice 1970 malcolm they've been

00:05:18.500 holding on tight they're really trying like we don't want this to become a schism yeah and my

00:05:24.280 like the catholic fans of the show and stuff that we have that say this and they're like we can just

00:05:28.480 wait this out yeah i have said in response to that i think you may not understand how captured

00:05:34.400 the vatican is and how aggressively they will attempt to resist this yeah and what it is to

00:05:42.080 excommunicate somebody who has dedicated their entire life to your religion right well and

00:05:49.200 they're like extra in to the catholic history and lore into actual doctrine i mean i know

00:05:54.880 that the vatican doesn't see it this way and you can go back to your book that you wrote on

00:05:58.960 governance where you're like look if some like if like the like mousy nerdy girl in the teen girl

00:06:08.300 clique decides that she's not going to wear pink on thursday but the mean alpha girl says that

00:06:15.360 everyone's going to wear pink on thursday and then mousy girl comes up wearing purple on thursday 1.00

00:06:21.200 look that is a direct challenge to alpha girl's authority an alpha girl either can 1.00

00:06:28.000 undermine her authority in front of the rest of the girls thereby possibly losing queen bee status 1.00

00:06:33.680 or she can kick mousy girl who actually cares about all the stuff they care about out of the 0.98

00:06:41.520 group because she's a challenge i mean like this is it's an obvious like this this was bound to

00:06:46.740 happen it's kind of a shock that well i mean i think that people what wasn't fully understood

00:06:52.780 is this idea that if we have and it's happening more and more in terms of the catholic lay body

00:07:01.460 is becoming more conservative yeah that this the catholic churches that hold latin mass

00:07:06.640 are getting way more parishioners than the ones that don't right like that's what the people want

00:07:11.760 And there is this mindset that, well, if we can just outbreed them for long enough, eventually we'll be able to recapture the institutions.

00:07:20.180 But the problem is the Catholic institutions are not controlled via popular vote.

00:07:24.540 They are controlled via vote of people who are allowed to vote and appointed to vote by people who currently control the administration.

00:07:32.500 so the the the length that they can hold on is probably about five generations longer than i

00:07:40.320 think most people suspect and when they then point and they go oh look all of the young people who

00:07:47.520 are being ordained and stuff like that to these lower level positions that don't have voting rights

00:07:51.440 in the larger catholic church these people are all conservative that's a good sign but as i mean

00:07:58.300 when you when you think about like how progressive the people in the center of the church are like

00:08:02.160 we need infinite immigration right like we need to we're all worshiping the same god you know we're 0.98

00:08:08.500 all you know the the buddhists are great and very insightful oh you want to know it's worse 1.00

00:08:13.220 actually so this is this is it kind of blew my mind the the ccp basically chooses bishops and 0.98

00:08:20.780 rome just okays them and this has been happening since 2018 where there was this secret vatican

00:08:26.820 china agreement that gives the ccp this decisive role so they're just like okay ccp and they've 0.94

00:08:35.020 also just continuously pushed back on sspx which is just trying to genuinely be true to the church 0.86

00:08:41.420 and it's not just on or to excommunication like what was that what was the grave sin what was

00:08:47.220 they consecrated new bishops that were not approved by the pope did the bishops have to

00:08:54.760 be approved by the pope yeah yes at least in this case apparently that really but we'll get into

00:08:59.860 that now i'm gonna i'll finish the press release we'll keep going anyway the society known as known

00:09:04.620 by its acronym sspx celebrates the ancient latin mass and opposes the modernizing reforms of the

00:09:09.880 catholic church which it considers to be rife with heresies and errors which it is while a fringe

00:09:15.640 movement on the catholic right the sspx has become a thorn in the vatican side for five decades

00:09:22.300 because it claims to be even more Catholic than the Holy See

00:09:25.100 because it is.

00:09:26.660 I mean, it definitionally is, but okay, continue.

00:09:30.380 During a ritual five-hour mass on Wednesday

00:09:33.380 at its seminary in Icon, Switzerland,

00:09:36.020 and this movement was started in Switzerland,

00:09:38.020 the SSPX consecrated four new bishops

00:09:40.280 in direct defiance of Leo,

00:09:42.260 who had urged the group to hold off

00:09:45.000 for the sake of church unity.

00:09:47.520 An estimated 15,500 people and their children attended

00:09:51.840 a sign that the sspx has plenty of supporters who came from around the world knowing full well they

00:09:58.300 were defying rome so this was one of those this this was like essentially again queen b mean girl

00:10:05.200 saying we're all wearing pink on thursday and mousy nerdy girl who cares about what they actually

00:10:10.160 care about being like no i'm gonna wear purple it's right to wear purple it's be like all of 0.99

00:10:15.700 the books celebrating world history or something some story loss and she's like no if you do that 0.97

00:10:20.960 you're going to be in trouble and then not only does mousy girl show up in purple but like three 0.79

00:10:26.020 of the other girls in the group show up in purple like when you were met that with that direct

00:10:32.340 defiance and also that many people almost 16 000 adults and their children show up and there are

00:10:40.240 pictures of this it's like a sea of people it's hard to imagine the sheer magnitude of of just

00:10:47.340 humanity that showed up for this yeah i feel like what's really important to note is we are not

00:10:53.280 seeing this with the vaticanist events as much anymore no and it's like mostly tourists in rome

00:11:00.000 who were like oh i heard there's this famous guy called the pope right yeah and i mean if you want

00:11:06.460 to say this is this is what's so crazy that you can say stuff today and it's like it sounds insane

00:11:13.300 but like the evidence seems to back it up you know when you say there was actually a network

00:11:19.680 of elite pda files who secretly had undue influence in american business and government

00:11:25.480 and then it turned out that that's all true and that's just like a thing now or that there was a 0.75

00:11:30.480 trans murder cult that killed more people than the manson family and this is just like the zizians

00:11:35.480 it's just a thing it had out of the effect of altruist movement nonetheless that were or that 0.97

00:11:40.180 the vatican has been captured by a gay sex cult that is now excommunicating the most 0.96

00:11:48.580 devout catholics for attempting to recapture institutions the catholic vote 1.00

00:11:56.260 it's gonna be heading on out today the catholic vote

00:12:04.320 get some hot christian action that'll take you

00:12:10.180 and you can see our episode like a lot of people talk about this this group but when we went over

00:12:15.940 the episode if you haven't seen it was one of the wildest episodes i've ever done right ever 0.61

00:12:19.360 thought through was the the gay jew that wrote key catholic doctrine which is a real thing but 1.00

00:12:26.480 the thing that got me about studying this guy's life is just like the amount of gay sex he's 0.99

00:12:31.340 having that everyone he dated after he left the church was a former priest or nun like it was 0.74

00:12:36.780 very clear he was part of a very large network and when we ask questions like why does the

00:12:43.060 institutional vatican because i think a lot of the catholics were very confused as to and it is true

00:12:48.920 that the the vatican does produce you know in terms of the the grapes per capita less than the

00:12:55.400 american school system but that's not saying a lot because the american school system is is one in

00:12:59.720 nine kids i think it gets essayed these days but the thing that horrified a lot of people is that 0.99

00:13:04.580 all the way to the top this was systematically covered up why would he put anything in your butt 0.95

00:13:09.140 we don't know or that's what we're trying to figure out hmm hello there children chef what 0.98

00:13:17.580 would a priest want to stick up my butt goodbye and that a lot of people were asking like but

00:13:27.460 wait like did they just not believe anything in the bible at all like were they willing to 0.98

00:13:32.800 you know ruin these individuals lives these children's lives in order to protect a practice

00:13:39.260 yes i'm afraid if things keep going the way they are we could lose our entire religion

00:13:43.600 yes we've got to stop these boys from going to the public they've got to know to keep their

00:13:47.740 mouths shut right and so wait a minute what yes but we've got to find out why these children are

00:13:54.620 suddenly finding it necessary to report that they're being molested stop the problem at its

00:13:58.500 source. Yes, but how? Whoa, whoa, hold on a second. The problem is that children are being

00:14:05.000 molested, not that they're reporting it. How do you mean? Well, I mean, obviously what we need to

00:14:11.680 put a stop to is all the sexual misconduct that is allowed to take place in our churches. Not

00:14:16.320 just tell the children not to tell anybody about it. I mean, right? Or did any of the children

00:14:21.040 you've molested come forward? No. That's good. No, I mean, I never molested any of the children

00:14:26.100 of my church it's okay father maxi we're all priests here the doors are closed or for the

00:14:31.780 love of god you know they could have just quietly fired them or something not move them to other

00:14:38.340 facilities where they're still around children right like it was it was about protecting a

00:14:43.720 practice and a culture and i think a lot of people saw that and they were like why why is it doing

00:14:50.380 did the church just make a judgment of error but when you combine that with what we saw in the 0.68

00:14:56.920 episode on the gay jew that rewrote key catholic doctrine and how much gay sex was going on at the

00:15:01.600 high levels of the vatican the people writing you know vatican 2 stuff like that there actually is 0.93

00:15:08.180 probably a large group a gay sex cult controlling the vatican and that has been for a while at this 0.75

00:15:14.820 point and that they're willing to go as far as excommunication to maintain that stranglehold 0.97

00:15:20.460 i think is horrifying and and and well you could say that they were willing to go as long because

00:15:27.680 i think when they saw like the children's lives being murdered and the priests being moved around

00:15:31.360 and stuff like that not being murdered but being ruined they were like well you know this has

00:15:35.460 already happened those kids whatever like they wouldn't ruin an adult's life and that's what

00:15:40.460 an excommunication does right like they wouldn't ruin an adult's life over this and or they wouldn't

00:15:46.080 do it you know this openly and i think that now we're beginning to see more openly what the

00:15:51.180 vatican is actually about at this point and i would expect to see going forwards more excommunications

00:15:59.400 like this come out now that the jar has sort of been opened on this the way i feel about catholicism

00:16:05.100 is very weird or interesting because we have a lot of fans and friends and some of our closest

00:16:10.800 friends who are catholics so obviously i do not hate catholics but the vatican i have a burning

00:16:19.580 hatred for the vatican that they would do this to people who have dedicated their entire lives

00:16:24.560 who have lived good lives it just and and i can only feel that like psychologically there must be

00:16:32.060 something that is completely incommunicatable between me and these people and simona's had

00:16:38.160 long calls with some of our good catholic friends about this where she's like but a better way to

00:16:43.840 this sort of like there's a super villain out there everyone agrees that this is a super villain

00:16:49.420 and the super villain's core role is the destruction of western civilization they will

00:16:53.920 call this like the red skull or something like this and then you're but you're really good

00:16:58.020 friends with some of the minions of the red skull and you go to them and you'd be like man 0.72

00:17:01.440 the the things this red skull guy is doing is really really crazy and evil and they're like oh 0.67

00:17:06.760 yeah shoot the crazy stuff i i think it's totally evil too and you're like then why are you his 0.99

00:17:12.700 minion and they're like oh well you know we've got to keep unity and everything and i'm like but

00:17:18.220 wait wait why do you want unity under this like why is disunity so bad right like what why is

00:17:26.680 having multiple ways of doing things so bad if the alternative is this right like they act like

00:17:33.380 disunity it's this big scary and it's like the disunity churches are growing much faster

00:17:39.380 maintaining members at a much higher rate like what do you mean like why why is unity so you know

00:17:46.060 and and then you point out you're like the red sky just like executed like his five most devote

00:17:51.020 inchman and they're like oh yeah you know sometimes he does that but you know one day in a few hundred

00:17:57.660 years it'll be better and it's like what do you mean a few hundred years the red skull chooses

00:18:02.140 all the guys who choose who's gonna be the next red skull and they choose the next red skull wait

00:18:07.300 what do you mean it's gonna be better in a few hundred years and i can only assume that that at

00:18:11.780 a deep psychological level or maybe even at a biological level we are different because i just

00:18:18.900 can't understand how that makes sense or why disunity is somehow when we've already seen that

00:18:26.980 disunity seems to work and be more vitalistic more thriving as a reminder for every eight people who

00:18:35.680 deconvert from catholicism one person converts in and for every two people who deconvert from

00:18:39.960 protestantism one person converts in seems to be scarier than serving under an obviously

00:18:47.140 antagonistic an evil organization an organization that i think if we are being honest with ourselves

00:18:54.500 if we're ranking threats to western civilization probably i'm probably number one honestly the un 0.99

00:19:02.000 is more antagonistic to western civilization but it's less competent i guess the parts of islamism 1.00

00:19:09.180 as a whole would be a much bigger threat but they're less unified so yeah and note the bigger 0.99

00:19:16.540 issue than the excommunication because this had happened before in the 80s is the making the sort

00:19:21.620 of entire spfx organization null and void from the perspective of being right with god for anyone who

00:19:30.180 sees themselves as catholic like they're essentially forcing a schism yeah yeah i think it certainly

00:19:35.380 is more people challenge and question what's going on and as what's going on becomes more

00:19:39.600 extreme yeah i could see momentum building and i just i just wanted to say though the

00:19:45.220 excommunication is not as bad as i thought it was as an outsider i thought because i thought

00:19:48.700 i thought that being excommunicated was like oh this is what got people burned at the stake in

00:19:53.260 the past this is what got people really screwed like you're you'd burn in hell forever but but

00:19:59.800 actually excommunication in catholic teaching doesn't mean you're being condemned to hell

00:20:05.320 it's not understood as kind of like a declaration of damnation official theology has it that

00:20:12.620 basically only god can decide so it's not for the church to you know declare however it means that

00:20:20.120 you are not allowed to be to receive any of the sacraments you can't be married in the church

00:20:25.740 so you're kind of like slapped with this wake-up call this is hugely underselling it simone's

00:20:32.280 interpretation here because if you are a priest or a bishop who is excommunicated that means

00:20:36.840 anybody operating under you what they do within their their churches doesn't count their marriages

00:20:43.060 don't count their sacraments don't count and that matters for the souls of the people who are

00:20:49.440 attending that church oh this is fascinating oh my god okay this happened twice i don't know about

00:20:57.560 the 1988 one okay yeah as of 2026 the spx has repeated a very similar act consecrating four

00:21:04.140 renewed bishops without papal mandate in econo the vatican has confirmed that the involved bishops

00:21:11.360 incurred automatic excommunication for schism wow repeating the 1988 events so this started in the

00:21:18.080 1988 events they're just doing it again they're like look we're negotiations between well hold on

00:21:23.260 let's go into the 1988 events because this is when it first was normalized negotiations between

00:21:28.520 the sspx and the vatican led by cardinal jose right when i need to talk about took place in

00:21:34.520 1988 a protocol of agreement was signed in may 5th but lefius withdrew his signature days later

00:21:40.240 he demanded stronger guarantees that tradition would be protected so this is over him wanting

00:21:44.820 tradition and that was where they crossed the line was wanting tradition despite repeated

00:21:49.580 warnings during the vatican including a personal letter from pope john paul ii on june 9th

00:21:53.920 And a former canonical warning on June 17th that proceeded would incur automatic excommunication.

00:21:59.560 Leviev went ahead.

00:22:00.960 On June 30th, 1988, he consecrated new bishops.

00:22:05.800 And that was the line that led to them all being excommunicated.

00:22:09.440 But wait, can you normally...

00:22:23.920 all right i'm seeing this especially applied to their group because this does change things

00:22:29.680 this means that this is a escalation and continuation yeah instead of some note break

00:22:35.680 this only applies to spx nobody else needs this to to consecrate new bishop oh my gosh so they're

00:22:47.440 like in the doghouse no no but this really matters because the consecration of bishops

00:22:52.460 bishops are the ones who vote on what other catholics believe so they're trying to make

00:22:59.300 them set they're the second class citizen of the catholic church it's not that they're second

00:23:05.460 class citizens it's the the fight is over and this is what i think a lot of the traditionalist

00:23:11.180 catholics are missing they think the fight is over the lay person when they don't realize the

00:23:17.480 fight is over the bureaucracy and if the bureaucracy can just remove anybody who comes

00:23:23.520 into it but has different opinions from being able to vote then and what's what's fascinating 0.78

00:23:29.040 to me is i doubt they would be doing these sorts of excommunications if these people were africans

00:23:32.760 or whatever it's specifically conservatism in western cultures that they will not allow a slide

00:23:39.140 back on well that's interesting yeah because it did it did come out of switzerland in the 1970s

00:23:43.960 And it was just specifically about Vatican II.

00:23:46.720 Like, we're not cool with the liturgy post-Vatican II, and we want there to be a much more pious, like, true-to-real Catholicism practice that we can all turn to.

00:24:05.180 And you're like, no, no, no, the Vatican isn't captured by groups that are explicitly anti-white.

00:24:10.040 Keep in mind that when the Trump administration tried to take white refugees who were being murdered, like we have very well documented in South Africa, the organizations that ended up shutting down that year were the Episcopal Organization for Helping Refugees and the Catholic Organization for Helping Refugees.

00:24:28.840 They had both been operating for like half a century. 0.68

00:24:31.460 The Episcopal Organization explicitly said, we're doing this because we don't want to help these people.

00:24:35.540 And the Catholic organization did not say that. It just happened around that time period. It plausibly could have been something else. But I think, you know, it's up to people to be honest with themselves about what they're seeing in these organizations. Are they institutionally racist organizations? I mean, would they apply the same rules to a black congregation or black priests? Because I think there are many black priests in parts of the way Catholicism is practiced in Africa that are significantly more conservative.

00:25:03.080 so why aren't they having the rules apply to them in the same way and the answer is obviously

00:25:07.520 different standards for different ethnic groups because they have different outcomes they want

00:25:12.140 from different ethnic groups though it should what's weird about this and like where i see this

00:25:16.480 ongoing tension because i see what you're saying it's basically they're like you can exist you just

00:25:22.300 can't have a voice because we don't want you can't have institutional power because we don't want to

00:25:27.020 lose the institutional power that we have taken control. Because when the founder of SSPX created

00:25:34.440 this new offshoot, the local bishop, who was also in Switzerland, approved of it. They said it was

00:25:41.480 a pious union of priests in the diocese. And they just kind of saw it as like, well, this experimental

00:25:47.440 branch, which is something that we've often lauded about Catholicism, that it's this religion that

00:25:52.880 is able to have sort of these like more extreme offshoots and can innovate and they're kind of

00:25:57.680 like the the skunk works of the religion and if they're good they get reintegrated if they're not

00:26:02.420 they don't get reintegrated and what we have here is an issue of the discernment on what can be

00:26:08.020 reintegrated being disconnected with the actual best interests and true nature of the church and

00:26:14.260 its purpose but this yeah that's really interesting because they they initially sent visitors to

00:26:22.840 like rome did when when this new group formed they like sent people over to check it out and

00:26:30.240 they had favorable reviews of it and they thought that you know it was it was solid so this just

00:26:36.600 this didn't start out as an attack antagonistic relationship and sspx has grown a ton so as of

00:26:43.380 2025, they have around 1,482 members in total. But by members, I mean, bishops, priests,

00:26:53.360 seminarians, and brothers. So there are more like 600,000 or so faithful. And that's a lot of people.

00:27:03.280 Plus, when you consider especially this is a hard religion, there aren't any actual estimates of

00:27:09.240 their unique birth rates there's only estimates of traditional latin mass catholics and that can

00:27:15.760 be a larger group than just sspx but this widely cited u.s survey of latin mass attendees and of

00:27:22.620 course latin mass is like the sspx thing found that let's if i want to go over like what what's

00:27:30.480 the beliefs that they had that got them the sex communication hold on latin mass attendees have

00:27:34.400 an average of 3.6 children per woman oh god whereas normal catholics have around 2.3 0.51

00:27:40.820 so that's significant like that's a very meaningful difference that's those numbers 0.99

00:27:45.820 aren't accurate by the way how so catholics are way below replacement rate like they've been

00:27:51.500 below replacement rate since oh okay so you're saying the early 80s wherever you got those

00:27:57.280 normal catholics are yeah catholic average fertility rate is like 1.1 simone i do not know

00:28:03.740 where you're getting these numbers from i look at the year of this survey maybe it's just that

00:28:07.720 it's one of the older ones i didn't check the year when i looked at the page that probably

00:28:13.380 worth doing because catholics have had in the united states the catholic average fertility

00:28:17.460 rate the non-hispanic 2018 that's interesting the non-hispanic catholic fertility rate in the

00:28:23.560 united states was 1.6 and this was back in the 1980s 1986 is when it was taken well all the

00:28:31.400 data was collected between march 2018 and november in the united states i think so okay so i'll tell

00:28:37.380 you where you got the the funky numbers from okay it's including his the the only high fertility

00:28:43.120 catholic group on earth really in in mass when you're not talking about the the the latin mass

00:28:48.340 ones are hispanic american catholics hispanic catholics are low fertility in all of their

00:28:54.040 native countries but they're very high fertility in the united states so you're likely seeing the

00:28:58.580 but like it was in arizona california colorado new hampshire and texas so yeah that's gonna have

00:29:04.220 especially in arizona and california and texas a decent number of immigrants okay so

00:29:11.760 they're fine but still i mean a meaningful difference in in practice of fertility rates

00:29:21.240 and that a lot of commentators see that as like a 60 larger family size and in general like other

00:29:28.560 social science work on religiosity in which we've reported on elsewhere shows that people who as we

00:29:34.640 put it practice more hard religion are more likely to have higher fertility rates it doesn't matter

00:29:39.940 the point i'm making is that that's just not are you are you disputing that sspx members have

00:29:47.540 higher fertility

00:29:49.280 what no what i'm what i'm disputing is that it's not relevant to your ability to control the vatican

00:29:58.560 Right, right, right, right. What you find most interesting in this is this systematic bureaucratic resistance to reform when reform means getting rid of changes made that we don't think are true and that many Catholics don't think are true to the Catholic faith, correct?

00:30:17.360 Yeah, yeah. So who does have a vote within the Catholic Church? So we talk about like recapturing.

00:30:23.160 Most influence, you mean?

00:30:24.500 cardinals are created exclusively by the pope and even the existing cardinals do not vote in new

00:30:30.340 cardinals that's only the pope's decision oh my god that's an incredibly hard system to ever crack

00:30:35.260 yeah if only the pope can appoint cardinals and only cardinals can vote on the pope and

00:30:40.460 most of those groups are entirely captured the bishops would have had a vote in big things like

00:30:47.200 vatican ii like presumably all the bishops vote on that so they're basically making it so that like

00:30:51.740 not even a drip of doubt can come in not even a drip of opposition can enter wow so there's

00:30:58.080 basically no room for reform the way that governance is structured you'd have just not

00:31:03.000 possible yeah you'd have to take out the existing leadership system almost entirely like like it

00:31:08.240 would require like revolution to get reform that is why i had no idea it was that bad and if you

00:31:15.040 want to go over what they held these members to get them excommunicated for putting bishops with

00:31:20.580 these beliefs into a position to potentially vote in future councils, Vatican II itself.

00:31:26.600 The council contains serious errors and ambiguities, especially in religious liberty. This is what

00:31:31.700 SPX thought, which it just like, again, see our other episode on this, the gay Jew who wrote 0.55

00:31:37.440 core Catholic doctrine and deconverted, by the way, after that, the, the, for people who are 0.76

00:31:42.040 wondering, he wrote the entirety of the first draft of one of the key documents of Vatican II

00:31:45.560 on ecumenicalism which is these people's core complaint the guy who wrote the first draft of

00:31:50.940 the document is no longer catholic right like i can understand why they might be like well should

00:31:55.340 we really like this seems to go against some of the older beliefs in catholicism and and apparently

00:31:59.640 this is the number one thing that they're they're mad about okay that is mad about that sspx is

00:32:04.820 mad about the vatican that the vatican is mad at sspx about is sspx views on ecumenicalism like

00:32:11.700 trying to integrate that they're trying to consecrate consecrate bishops well no this is

00:32:17.680 the view that we're threatening to the vatican okay that sspx this is a view that says like 0.93

00:32:23.540 hey maybe we shouldn't have endless immigrants of other religions right like maybe no yeah that's 0.98

00:32:29.180 that's the other yeah like well i mean amongst that is one of the many things but yeah they're 0.98

00:32:33.160 they're well more broadly it's not like oh so vatican 2 as you pointed out in the the gay

00:32:40.800 catholic whatever one jew episode that there's this big thing about like oh let's have interfaith

00:32:47.300 dialogue and maybe everyone's kind of right which sspx is like no catholicism is the one true faith

00:32:54.980 we're not going to be like oh i don't know i guess everyone's kind of cool it's fine let's

00:32:58.620 all talk together and be friends like no catholic like you can talk and be friends and still be like

00:33:03.500 but we're the right ones yeah like that's the whole point is it and this is why we love talking

00:33:08.300 with our catholic friends and friends of other religion especially our catholic friends though

00:33:11.560 and i guess our catholic friends lean more in the sspx direction because they're like

00:33:14.980 i mean that's a great you know we understand your point you're wrong and i love that like i want to

00:33:21.380 have that debate and the the leaning of of the of like post vatican to catholic church is very

00:33:27.740 different but then i mean you know it's they're also super against this this idea of in general

00:33:35.740 kind of taking away the sacredness of the catholic church like this manifests in many

00:33:40.180 different ways right that i mean we talk most about the latin mass and their their obsession

00:33:45.840 obsession with the latin mass but there's also subtle things like it's not there's not enough

00:33:50.440 formal rule about this but there are what are they called rails there are these these rails

00:33:56.760 that sort of separate the the key part of the church what is it called the sanctuary from the

00:34:03.740 nave where like the the parishioners sit and post vatican too it kind of just became the thing

00:34:10.840 to remove the rails which both you would sort of kneel at for communion but also provided this

00:34:18.480 feeling of physical separation from a more sacred space and it separated the priests from the from

00:34:26.560 their flock and sort of showed them to be like hey this is this stuff happening here is sacred

00:34:31.480 and special. And when you take that away, it makes all of it feel like less authoritative,

00:34:37.700 less exciting and magical and meaningful. And also, I think this is understated, but just from

00:34:45.480 a practical family perspective, and I really felt this when I took Octavian into a Catholic church,

00:34:53.300 when we took him just to DC, like a couple months back, when you have a lot of little kids running

00:34:58.660 around a catholic church which you should if you have a successful parish they might just run

00:35:05.940 straight up like the fence is useful and especially like to kids who can't really understand actually

00:35:11.680 that's such a good point the fence is a sign of a church with kids it is a sign of a church because

00:35:16.960 what is the first thing octavian did when we got into the tree like walks up he like i'm gonna sit

00:35:21.400 on like the big spot like it's it's a little bit raised here i'm gonna go to the coolest part and

00:35:25.820 I'm going to climb up on it. And I'm like, Oh my God, no stop. I think I even have video of it

00:35:30.100 that I can send to you. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Thank God no one was in there,

00:35:34.020 but like, there's a reason there are guardrails and it's not just like, Oh, but like from a

00:35:39.360 practical standpoint, it communicates to children that this is sacred, that we don't touch that.

00:35:44.960 And it's the same in like an adult's house, right? Like this is my white living room for

00:35:49.120 entertaining. We have a little kid fence here. You don't walk in it. Like kids understand the

00:35:54.740 rails okay and that's why we had those those stained glass windows like well you know they

00:36:00.060 can't understand what's happening even if if the if the mass is in english that's true yeah they're

00:36:05.120 like comic books of what happened in the bible yeah and like when you start to take these things

00:36:09.160 away or you like make the stained glass well no they take them away after they don't even remember

00:36:15.460 the utility of something like that by the time there's no kids left they don't remember why you

00:36:20.780 would have something right yeah because like what kid in the church is running up you know into the

00:36:25.160 the sanctuary because there aren't any kids to run into the sanctuary but if you if you go over

00:36:30.180 i want to go over all the individual things that really piss the church off so one was that they

00:36:33.920 wanted more ecumenicalism or sorry less ecumenicalism they're like yeah look you can be

00:36:38.380 nice to people of other religions while saying they're wrong right and the vatican is like no

00:36:42.120 you can't yeah yeah yeah they they the council they also teach on religious freedom like that

00:36:47.920 there's this core doctrinal freedom yeah and and or that there are even false religions contradicts

00:36:54.040 earlier popes who taught error has no rights yeah and the vatican absolutely says no nothing in

00:37:00.000 vatican 2 contradicts previous stuff whereas spx says no there's and and most protestants say that

00:37:04.980 vatican 2 does seem to clearly contradict previous stuff yeah i don't want to like go over all the

00:37:09.640 points in it because of course you have the official vatican answer and a lot of vaticanists

00:37:14.380 will just repeat the official vatican answer without applying critical thought to is that

00:37:18.920 actually a good answer like did that answer pass for what i need to believe is existentially true

00:37:24.100 about reality the new the new mass versus the latin mass was actually genuinely one of the

00:37:30.280 reasons why the vatican excommunicated them apparently they were just like really mad that

00:37:35.180 we might have people who would oppose the new mass which well they even like so there it wasn't

00:37:41.160 like they kept reiterating that like we we don't do latin mass like they kept trying to demote and

00:37:47.020 demote and demote latin mass so there was even this thing there's this 2021 decree no if you're

00:37:52.900 about it hold on before you go further with this if you're a catholic ask yourself why they're doing

00:37:56.580 this like that latin mass they're trying to take the sacredness out of catholicism it's so clearly

00:38:03.700 more popular it's clearly practice in churches that have lower attrition rates it's clearly

00:38:08.880 practice in churches that have higher birth rates the common people love it why would you

00:38:14.080 remove something like that well yeah and latin mass is harder like it's like i i guess it's like

00:38:22.960 a oh god what's it denying an a to the student who like actually does all the homework and takes all

00:38:31.800 the tests and gets perfect scores that's a that's a great way to put it if you're looking at it in

00:38:36.800 like america it's like you are intentionally punishing your highest fidelity highest performing

00:38:43.360 highest vitalist highest community part of your religion why would you do that like i want you to

00:38:50.200 think they're like no no no we're pass fail we know you're out you can't the reason you would

00:38:56.320 do that is if your explicit goal was the demoralization and destruction of the institution

00:39:03.080 It really feels that way. It super feels that way. Anyway, there was this thing in 2021 called the Traditionis Custodis that was this decree by Pope Francis that imposed strong limits on celebrating the traditional Latin Mass, according to the 1962 Roman Missal.

00:39:25.920 it requires that bishops get vatican permission for certain uses of the old right and it generally

00:39:32.100 discouraged new communities from using it and in practice what what some of our friends who

00:39:37.060 are catholics have seen is that it's just like shoved so like one corner of a church and like

00:39:41.640 basically hidden as much as possible so they not only like as much as they were like oh sure like

00:39:47.420 we're fine with you you can stay there they get mad every time they consecrate bishops

00:39:52.880 every time you know that they get really excited about latin masks they're like oh but like why

00:39:58.200 don't you just do it like behind why don't you do it by the trash dumpster you know like go do it

00:40:02.880 there it's they're just they're being so mean well because i i like i like this isn't even

00:40:11.060 conspiratorial and i'm asking you to try to figure this out yeah why are they against the

00:40:16.200 more popular form of the mass that seems to do better yeah that's a good question so

00:40:25.840 okay so the main reason comes from vatican ii well yeah and when that that's the core thing

00:40:32.100 i mean like again the core thing of sspx is vatican ii runs counter to the catholic church

00:40:39.100 yeah what happened like whose idea because they believe that the latin mass well this is their

00:40:44.820 argument they say it detracts from the unity of the church specifically the unique expression

00:40:51.580 of lexiority or the law of worship of the roman right so basically because some catholics are

00:40:57.660 practicing in a way that's different from other catholics even if it's more popular and better

00:41:01.880 in any way they they're they're antagonistic to it that's wild it's again it's it's it's it's 0.99

00:41:12.980 queen bee mean girl assertion of authority that classic governance thing i mean i i see the point

00:41:19.320 that you're making but it's also the whole like you're questioning my authority and if i don't

00:41:23.440 crack down my authority is going to become increasingly undermined and when i say like

00:41:28.920 don't do this and they keep doing it then what what does my rule mean anymore but we can jump to

00:41:35.560 the it's it's really important to know that the the the point of no return for all of this

00:41:43.780 is always putting somebody into a position where they might be able to vote on what is

00:41:48.460 true in Catholicism right yeah well but clearly the Vatican's not gonna not gonna let anyone get

00:41:57.460 close to making differences there so what does it matter basically I think honestly the more that

00:42:04.000 sspx moves away from this the better in fact i kind of wish they were doing what the anglican

00:42:11.860 church has done so i'll let you know what's going on there because you are you aware of what's going

00:42:16.460 on with the anglican schism yeah they elected a lady bishop well no okay yeah so basically

00:42:23.820 a bunch of other groups primarily what is it there's it's gafcon but what's what does the

00:42:31.240 acronym stand for the global Anglican future conference has basically been like all right

00:42:37.660 we're not with the archbishop of Canterbury anymore like we're not going to share communion 0.92

00:42:42.200 I'm not with stupid anymore like we're not doing this and so as much as they're trying 0.95

00:42:49.720 to not describe this as a schism they prefer to call it a real a realignment or reformation 0.98

00:42:58.060 and they're trying to say we're not founding a new church we're just restoring anglicanism

00:43:03.340 around its original doctrinal center they're the bible that's a pretty naughty thing well i mean

00:43:10.300 if you're electing a lady pope which is what the anglicans did so the reason i call her lady pope

00:43:15.360 important to understand who the anglicans are um when england became protestant the crown really

00:43:22.620 still liked the idea of a state religion and catholicism more broadly he was like a

00:43:26.620 fervent henry the eighth was a fervent catholic like so much that the pope like gave him a special

00:43:31.420 award or something as like a defender of the faith until the pope out of like you know sheer 0.52

00:43:37.960 douchiness really it was it was oh well that's my niece or something who you'd have to divorce to

00:43:43.920 have a kid and henry had to have a kid if he didn't have a male son it could have led to a

00:43:49.160 civil war which would have led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and countless

00:43:55.340 suffering and children dying like what he was doing queen catherine of aragon was what like

00:44:00.420 his niece or something or like there was a family relation it was a family relation that's why you

00:44:04.880 wouldn't let him um which again like this shows the problem corruption in the church led to

00:44:10.160 protestantism because without the english but anyway so the english become protestant and

00:44:14.760 they're they but they try to keep their yeah like they need their protestant pope and that's the

00:44:20.400 Archbishop of Canterbury. As Catholic-y as possible. Yeah. And that group is the group

00:44:26.700 called the Anglicans. And this group in early America was heavily, like early Americans hated

00:44:31.920 the Anglicans. We, the early Americans, thought they were basically just another shade of

00:44:36.580 Catholicism. Yeah. And we're just as suspicious as Catholics. But anyway, continue. Yeah. So

00:44:41.860 anyway, this is something that's been a slow burn over the past 20 to 30 years. Conservative

00:44:47.720 of anglican provinces especially in the global south so like outside the uk have just continued

00:44:53.680 to like slowly step away from the church of england and other liberal western provinces that

00:45:00.380 have anglican churches over issues like same-sex blessings and women's ordination because they just

00:45:06.520 started doing that out of nowhere and this culminated in 2025 and 2026 into this formal

00:45:14.740 break where at the Global Anglican Future Conference, also known as GAFCON, allied

00:45:20.340 provinces decided that they would no longer officially represent or recognize the authority

00:45:27.900 of the Archbishop of Canterbury or the traditional instruments of the communion. So they are not

00:45:34.140 going to participate in meetings called by the Archbishop of Canterbury. They're not going to

00:45:38.340 the Archbishop's birthday party anymore. They're not going to contribute to the Anglican communion

00:45:43.920 structures. They will amend constitutions to remove references to Canterbury. We are just

00:45:50.640 erasing her from our diary. We're deleting her from our contact book. She's out. And this has

00:45:57.540 roughly split the Anglican community in half with each side claiming that I'm the official

00:46:05.460 Anglican community. No, I'm the official Anglican community. Yeah. And this is what it comes down to

00:46:09.720 when there's this real hatred of the idea even if like structurally an individual is schismatic

00:46:17.160 yeah admitting that they're schismatic right yeah but this is i think this is what sspx should

00:46:23.320 honestly be doing i think they should be like look we've tried to play nice with the vatican

00:46:29.080 they have shown repeatedly that they are not actually catholic anymore here like the bazillion

00:46:33.820 reasons why we are the catholic church now like they're being way too nice they need to be a ton

00:46:40.720 more aggressive and another element of this that i think makes it so troublesome is aside from the

00:46:46.760 governance issues that you revealed that you surfaced in this episode and emphasized

00:46:50.820 the the vatican actually has a a monetary incentive to lean in to this heretical but also 0.54

00:47:01.160 a very low fertility segment of its of its like a strategy because when you have all these catholic

00:47:10.200 schools and all these convents and all these monasteries shutting down because no one's left

00:47:16.620 in the area guess what you get to do you get to sell it to like katy perry and make millions of

00:47:22.940 dollars the pope in his fancy red shoes no they're literally like king henry the eighth thing their

00:47:29.240 own church they're selling it for shirts and i think that's sex parties yeah well look we have

00:47:37.580 issues i think you even we we may have covered this in an episode but we never ran it those

00:47:42.740 nuns who like refuse to leave this convent that they tried to shut down and they're like and we

00:47:47.660 don't want to leave like we we this is our convent and what are you talking about they're like no you

00:47:51.860 gotta go you gotta go oh my god we almost bought a convent yeah being sold well like fun the

00:47:58.200 fundraising didn't work. We wanted to turn it into a, uh, like a village with a lab school that

00:48:03.540 like a bunch of high fertility families could live in and commute to New York city. It was so 0.97

00:48:07.840 beautiful, but yeah, they, they were, they were selling it because there weren't enough

00:48:12.060 nuns. Isn't that just so convenient for the church? There's also, it's not just about

00:48:18.180 maintaining this control and disenfranchise people who can undermine their authority.

00:48:22.460 it's about like oh actually it's not so bad that all these people are just disappearing

00:48:28.660 because in the in the immediate aftermath of that we get money and we like money yeah well

00:48:36.700 we needed to fund our lifestyle right and and keep in mind that the people with positions of power

00:48:41.520 you want to be popular at the u.n you want to be popular with the urban monoculture you push for

00:48:46.600 ecumenicalism yeah yeah and again like it's just so similar to what's happening with anglicanism 0.68

00:48:52.860 where they're like no we're not we're not doing this same-sex marriage we're not doing female

00:48:56.560 like we're if this isn't i also want to keep in mind how crazy our position should sound to

00:49:02.440 somebody that us non-catholics who have many doctrinal disagreements with catholicism

00:49:08.400 we're like what is your biggest disagreement it's that you're too ecumenical and like but that means

00:49:15.140 they're more open to people like you and i'm like they shouldn't be they should have pride

00:49:20.560 in their beliefs and double down on how they're different yeah yeah it's it's it's crazy i think

00:49:29.600 these are the really the key schisms to watch there's also a schism that's taking place in

00:49:34.160 the orthodox church but it's not that big of a deal it's that more since 2018 the russian orthodox

00:49:42.080 church has severed eucharistic communion with the ecumenical patriarch patriarch patriarchates

00:49:50.040 is that what they're called of constantinople and and some other churches like in greece and

00:49:54.680 alexandria and cyprus specifically because let's see one of them i think constantinople granted

00:50:03.180 independence to the orthodox church of ukraine in 2018 because i don't know maybe russia

00:50:11.960 was invading Ukraine and it seemed kind of unfair to Constantinople so they're like well I guess

00:50:17.180 since you're not friends anymore do they get a new bishop you're independent now like you can do your

00:50:24.320 own thing and the Russian the Moscow Patriarchate specifically was like hey you can't do that on

00:50:31.280 whose authority do you do that and so then essentially they're like well my religious

00:50:39.660 tokens aren't accepted in the same way that yours are and and so it's it's really weird like it

00:50:46.180 doesn't practically speaking it doesn't really make a whole ton of sense to me i mean i would

00:50:51.980 think that the plurality of patriarchs voting should have the ability to out vote a single

00:50:57.740 patriarch exactly but it's it's both sides still share the same theology and the same sacrament so

00:51:05.320 this isn't a doctrinal disagreement it's more about like who's allowed to declare whom but this

00:51:12.220 is this is very different so yeah the the the in in this case it is something that in a hundred

00:51:19.500 years nobody's going to care about right like yeah yeah well i'm sure like it's this stuff is

00:51:24.460 going to change and there's going to be a point in time at which moscow is no longer not out of

00:51:30.380 no longer out of communion with the other orthodox churches right now existential issue like it just

00:51:37.960 it just has to do with the war that's it it's gonna the the what's happening with the anglicans

00:51:44.020 is that is absolutely existential well and it's the same kind of it's the same broad trend as

00:51:49.540 what's happening with sspx is basically with multiple churches the anglican church the catholic

00:51:54.740 church there's a subset that's like what are you doing this is not what we're about and then there's

00:51:59.460 this other subset that's like what are you talking about i'm gonna do what i want like church no

00:52:03.560 everyone's kind of right and also money yay and that's that's what you know i'm just really hoping

00:52:09.080 that those who are really leaning in to hard religion win in the long run

00:52:14.720 hold on i'm not asking like what is the even the mechanism if popes a point okay continue with your

00:52:23.520 thought well no i just i i know that you pointed out this hopeless view that from a bureaucratic

00:52:30.860 standpoint there's no reversing the vatican like they're just going to run themselves into the

00:52:37.220 ground functionally but my hope is that as sspx keeps growing and that these other hard religious

00:52:44.660 versions of catholicism and anglicanism grow that they're just going to become the new de facto

00:52:51.060 churches like there's not it's it's just going to be the vatican in name only i mean maybe maybe

00:52:59.660 there will never there won't really be a vatican city for the catholic church in the future like

00:53:06.100 it just won't happen anymore but does that even matter i mean you really don't need this

00:53:12.260 majority country right which it will you don't need it anymore anyway yeah i mean it just it

00:53:18.700 won't make sense for it to be the in short answer there's really nothing so i'm trying to figure

00:53:24.040 this out yeah you cannot in castellacism take back power using demographics or fanaticism

00:53:29.120 yeah the pope appoints the cardinals the cardinals vote on the pope there's no there's a little sus

00:53:35.480 wow okay the only thing that it could potentially do is it creates like a larger pool and there

00:53:43.000 just aren't as many potential candidates for cardinal for the pope to select from that would

00:53:51.460 not share their beliefs the problem is is you don't need a large portion right like and and

00:53:58.600 the secondary problem is is that because that the catholic priest caste becomes separated from

00:54:03.860 mainstream society they're not as affected by the conservative views of that society and i've

00:54:10.040 really seen this on the people who we know who have gone the route of catholic priest or nun

00:54:15.200 it's they basically get separated from anyone who's not in the priesthood or who's not a nun

00:54:20.120 and so the wider political battle of the catholics who have these large families

00:54:25.060 is not something that they are that that's not their world anymore right like that's not

00:54:31.520 reaching them to the same extent which means that even if you control like the vast majority of the

00:54:38.980 lay people uh choking the access what you really have to do is choke the access of this counter

00:54:47.740 religion or or progressive sort of elitist religion choke the access to cardinal candidates

00:54:53.740 that come from this right like because as long as they're it's not like the pope's choosing

00:54:57.080 cardinal candidates at random he's choosing the ones that agree with his his viewpoint so you

00:55:00.960 need there to not be just like 80 percent of the cardinal candidates are are would vote the way

00:55:06.440 that you want. You need to remove the 20% that wouldn't. And getting to that point is essentially

00:55:12.320 impossible. Yeah, absolutely. Which is wild. And especially keep in mind the demographic realities

00:55:22.420 and threats that a lot of the Catholic majority countries are going to be facing as well.

00:55:30.200 That's fascinating. It's all around quite fascinating. We're glad to be techno-Puritans.

00:55:34.820 not our problem not our problem you guys figure it out we we love you well okay i i love you guys

00:55:40.320 malcolm yes i i i like them as human beings but i you agree at least that they have the best

00:55:47.780 catholics not anglicans have the best clothing so they do have the best clothing yeah absolutely

00:55:53.580 you got that concession from malcolm okay it's it's the best style well because it looks like

00:55:58.420 a gay person designed them all and gays are good designers they're the best yeah i mean in my

00:56:03.560 opinion you know you can't get uh if you're going uniforms catholics are like just under nazis

00:56:10.080 you know maybe maybe at the same level right when we're talking

00:56:13.920 everybody agrees that nazis had hot uniforms no it's true it's it's true this is why we had

00:56:21.820 all these problems in like east asia where all these like young teens and stuff would be seen 0.98

00:56:27.300 wearing ss uniforms and they'd have no understanding you know because they just found

00:56:31.400 like this cool looking cosplay outfit they're like i'm gonna buy that one strutting around

00:56:37.420 not having any understanding of what they represent no well i mean you know they look

00:56:42.200 good it's a good look it's a good look whatever right it's a great look it's fantastic yeah i i

00:56:47.900 think you know it's it's a if i was younger i think it's a look more for younger people but

00:56:53.640 nazi uniforms are a young person look yeah they will they work a bit better on younger people

00:56:58.580 you have to have a svelte body yeah if you have like a punch it ruins the entire line of the 0.61

00:57:04.120 outfit it's absolutely true or if you hunch it is only for people with amazing posture high

00:57:09.600 discipline high fitness etc i totally agree that's a that's a i guess the point but you can do that

00:57:15.380 and also be of advanced age as is shown by the nazi inspired uniforms in star wars where you

00:57:20.720 have some imperial officers who aren't definitely on the older side who still look pretty good in

00:57:24.560 their uniforms so i'll push back a little bit on that yeah but i'm sort of in this position of like

00:57:30.320 i wish that there was something that they could do i wish that there was a realistic pathway to

00:57:36.260 taking back the church i just don't see it right now i think they should take the anglican route

00:57:41.980 i think they should be like all right we're we're the catholic church but there's already

00:57:45.140 groups of catholics that have done that oh yeah i didn't yeah they basically said that the blank

00:57:50.780 council was the vatican was taken over yeah well no but before that like the vatican was taken

00:57:56.260 over through an unfair election which is actually kind of plausibly true so

00:58:00.740 yeah well i mean everyone went super into the lore of how popes are selected the last time

00:58:07.380 that happened you know with pope leo and i think it became fairly clear to a lot of people that

00:58:12.060 like this process is not exactly optimal you know whatever well i mean it's it's not about

00:58:21.920 and that's part of the thing it's it's it's not about what the average catholic thinks or wants

00:58:27.220 you know it's about what the elite think or want it's just i don't think anyone imagine that the

00:58:32.400 elite would be captured by this sort of alternate religious mindset yeah yeah yeah it's kind of

00:58:39.820 like you could say representative democracy where americans were like look i trust our essentially

00:58:45.140 landed gentry to make good decisions for us except what if suddenly that group of people just became

00:58:51.640 alien and completely separated from the interests of the larger lay people well the elite within our 0.98

00:58:58.100 country as well within most religions are disproportionately captured by the urban

00:59:01.540 monoculture in the united states if you say well only the elite quote-unquote elite in the country

00:59:06.420 the the the wealthiest or the you know those who had over a certain iq could vote you get way more

00:59:14.380 democratic candidates yeah anyway i love you i love you too interesting topic fun stuff

00:59:22.960 it's always next we'll do my book from when i was a kid all right perfect

00:59:28.000 all right i'm ready okay love you i love you too

00:59:35.680 oh yes well no no stay down here stay down here stay down here come back come back

00:59:47.000 yeah yeah are they going to read a story yet for something

00:59:54.440 they're doing nothing well there's no church services taking place right now the church

00:59:59.640 churches church services yeah

01:00:06.040 okay come down front yeah

Based Camp - July 06, 2026

New Pope Speed Runs Schism By Excommunicating SSPX

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