Based Camp - Nick Fuentes： Catholics Or Jews ... USA Must Choose

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, we are continuing from an episode

00:00:04.280 that went very long that was on Nick Fuentes. And as Nick Fuentes says, you've got to pick a side.

00:00:11.880 Is it the Catholics or is it the Jews? And in this episode, we're going to go over his

00:00:16.720 accusations about Israel and the Jews, which that he made on the Tucker Carlson interview,

00:00:20.600 which are mostly accurate, but they leave out the context, which is, but then if I am making

00:00:29.440 a decision between the Vatican and those loyal to the Vatican and the Jews and those loyal to Israel,

00:00:37.600 which is a more antagonistic partner to the United States, which has stabbed us in the back

00:00:43.140 more frequently and more, well, stabbed us in the face more directly when you're talking about the

00:00:47.500 Vatican. And which is a more useful long-term partner in terms of the future of human civilization

00:00:54.260 when we look at existing trends. And again, I'm saying all this, it's like Nick's broadly right

00:01:00.260 around most of the criticisms he has around Israel. And the biggest criticism he has, which is the one

00:01:06.360 that I agree most fervently with him on, is if you said, and if you watch our video before this on Nick,

00:01:14.600 that I strongly suggest, I think it's a great video if you are not familiar with American history and how

00:01:18.620 anti-Catholic America's founding was. It was essentially founded to be an anti-high church

00:01:22.900 country. Yeah, Malcolm blew my mind on this one because you'd think that we were taught that in

00:01:27.800 a school. No. No, it's why it's so ridiculous when he's like, America's a Christian nation. And I'm

00:01:32.940 like, you mean America's a Catholic nation? No, he said America is a Christian nation,

00:01:39.020 not a Judeo-Christian nation. A particularly comical claim when you consider the fact that of the 13

00:01:45.280 colonies, Catholics could only vote in two and Jews could vote in four to five of them. By the way,

00:01:51.280 free blacks could vote in 10 of them. We were much more explicitly anti-Catholic than we were

00:01:56.800 anti-Jewish. And I'm like, America is an anti-Catholic, anti-Anglican nation. Not just,

00:02:04.400 not a normal, it's a Christian nation founded in opposition to high church Christianity.

00:02:09.580 And very explicitly and very loudly with lots of receipts, with even a cardinal saying this,

00:02:15.440 you know, this is not like me or a conspiracy. This is mainstream. If you're familiar-

00:02:21.740 It is well attested. And Malcolm has the receipts go to that episode. It's very interesting.

00:02:26.780 So the reason why that episode was important for framing for this episode is I think some people,

00:02:32.200 when they try to do the sleight of hand, it's Catholics are just another form of Christian.

00:02:36.620 And it's like, that has never been true in American history. That's not true in terms of the value

00:02:42.560 sets of different Christian traditions. As we've talked about, if you, if you look at even their

00:02:48.180 metrics for truth, right, they are very different. And that difference has become important again,

00:02:53.840 very recently, where if you look historically, what was the Reformation about? It was a conflict

00:02:59.200 between two groups. One said that truth should be determined by people who spent their entire life

00:03:04.260 studying a subject. And then, so somebody couldn't just claim to be an expert on the subject certified

00:03:08.940 by a central authority. And then another group of people, which is a perfectly reasonable way of

00:03:12.820 doing things. Group of people came up and said, but that central authority could become corrupt.

00:03:17.520 So we should have truth determined by the individual, which is also a perfectly reasonable

00:03:21.780 retort, right? But this is also the exact same fight we had with COVID. And we saw during this fight,

00:03:27.720 the Catholic majority areas sided with the, like, which was the inner cities, which is where the

00:03:32.580 Catholics mostly settled, sided with the trust of people who spent their entire life studying this

00:03:36.820 subject. And then the Protestant majority areas settled with the, every decision should be made

00:03:42.200 by the individual, not declared experts, because those certifying institutions can become corrupt.

00:03:47.820 And, and what I'm pointing out here is that culturally Catholics are very, very different from other

00:03:53.580 Christian denominations. And so when people are like, oh, you got to be worried about the Jews.

00:03:58.160 To me, this is a bit like an elf whispering to me, you got to be worried about those dwarfs.

00:04:02.620 You know, they may be very industrious and good at metal crafting and making jewels. Oh my God,

00:04:09.080 are dwarfs? They're very stubborn. They remember things for a long time. They're very good with

00:04:17.660 engineering. One wrong, but right. But the great book of grudges remains full.

00:04:29.740 No, but I'm always sort of saying it this way. The dwarfs are the Jews and the Catholics are the

00:04:37.240 elves. And you can ally with both of them at the same time, but you've got to be aware that if one

00:04:42.960 of them then steps out and says, no, I refuse to be allied with you if you're allied with the other

00:04:46.720 faction, you've got to choose which one you're going to stay allies with.

00:04:50.200 Yes. And we, we need, we need to bring back Legolas and Gimli, you know, we can be friends.

00:04:54.440 And the reality is, is that Nick Fuentes is a minority Catholic opinion. Most Catholics are

00:05:00.020 okay with saying you can be allied with both the Catholics and the Jews. And if that's an option,

00:05:05.380 I want to be allies with both. Yeah.

00:05:07.100 Right. But if somebody comes out and says, you got to choose one America, I'm going to argue that

00:05:14.080 you'd have to be pants on head retarded to choose the Catholics given current demographic, economic

00:05:20.340 trends and their stated goals and their historic positions. So here's the Nick Fuentes quote.

00:05:27.320 Okay.

00:05:27.640 Israel hosts zero bases, sends zero troops during war, gives false intelligence, sells our secrets to

00:05:35.100 China, has no oil, spies on us, and is a diplomatic liability. U.S. gives infinite foreign aid and

00:05:41.860 weapons, fights their wars, brides their enemies, and covers their butt in the UN. Now, if you watch the

00:05:48.380 last episode, you'll know one thing here is just patently a lie, that the U.S. gives Israel infinite

00:05:54.540 money. And I pointed out that actually, if you look at Catholic majority countries and you look

00:05:59.540 at the average amount of aid we give to Israel a year, those numbers are not that different. We

00:06:03.860 give about the same amount of yearly aid to Catholic majority countries as we give to Israel on a yearly

00:06:08.580 basis. Then I note that, but it's actually way less money to Israel because almost all the money we

00:06:14.220 give to Israel, they have to spend in U.S. manufacturing jobs and arms and munitions, but almost all the money

00:06:19.480 we give to Catholic majority countries stays in those countries. So if we're weighing

00:06:24.380 the two, and better yet, when he says Israel is just a liability, consider an ally like Israel.

00:06:30.380 Israel gets in a skirmish with one of its rivals, right? Like they attack first, it handles the

00:06:35.920 situation. We donate an additional amount to them for one year. We had one year of high aid levels to

00:06:42.300 Israel, and then the next year it had gone back to almost normal aid levels. But even in that case,

00:06:46.500 the aid came with strings attached, meaning they had to like... Strings attached and it was all the

00:06:50.820 back to the United States. But the point here being is this is very different than like the Ukraine

00:06:54.480 or like really almost any other country we're allied with. Like no one else just gets it done

00:07:00.640 in the way that Israel has. But he is right about his other things here.

00:07:05.160 What's this selling stuff to China?

00:07:07.480 This is a real thing that happened in the 1970s, which we'll get to.

00:07:10.320 Oh, in the 70s.

00:07:11.760 It was a while ago when Israel was in a very different position then, and that's really

00:07:17.300 the caveat that we need to take this with. When we consider what the Catholic Church was

00:07:22.080 doing in the 70s.

00:07:23.500 Do you remember all of those communist and socialist republics you set up that had a goal of destroying

00:07:29.920 America around Latin America? All those revolutions and genocides you ran because Pepperidge

00:07:36.380 Farm remembers.

00:07:37.980 Catholics were involved with like...

00:07:40.220 Oh, the Catholics did a ton of communist and socialist revolutions.

00:07:44.320 We'll get into it. I have receipts.

00:07:47.180 Because they were really all about that stuff. I mean, they really, they were against the

00:07:53.180 communists in Russia because it was an atheist communist state and they were against the

00:07:55.900 communists in China because it was an atheist communist state. But they were broadly pro-communism.

00:08:01.540 Really?

00:08:01.780 With a Catholic flavor to it. So they were actually like a core geopolitical enemy of us in terms

00:08:11.240 of like actual wars, historically speaking. Now, I note that they were proxy wars, but they

00:08:18.840 were still wars. We were fighting proxy wars against the Vatican across Latin America and

00:08:24.360 we were fighting proxy wars against Russia across like East Asia and stuff like that. So, but

00:08:30.080 we've, we've conveniently forgotten about this. And Israel, what did they do? They just sold

00:08:35.140 some military tech. Like what? Somebody needs a forgive and forget session here. But let's

00:08:41.680 go to the zero troops during the war. Okay. Fuentes says Israel never sends troops to fight

00:08:46.640 along the US in its wars. This is true, but with a very big asterisk. Why do they not send

00:08:53.760 troops to fight alongside us in our wars? Do you know the answer to this, Simone?

00:08:59.520 I don't.

00:09:01.360 Because we ask them not to.

00:09:03.320 Wait, what? Okay.

00:09:04.980 Why is the US asking Israel to not send troops to fight alongside us in our recent wars?

00:09:13.820 Because since Israel became stable, basically since it had the capacity to send troops alongside us to

00:09:19.680 fight in our wars. Almost every one of our wars has been in the Middle East. Having Israel send

00:09:25.360 troops to fight alongside us when we are trying to, as one of the US's biggest diplomatic goals for the

00:09:32.480 past half century, normalize their relations with other Arab countries would be an absolutely

00:09:39.120 idiotic thing to do.

00:09:40.900 Kind of undo a lot of investment. Yes, that is true. Yeah. And as for Mossad spying on us, I mean,

00:09:46.400 they spy on everyone. We spy on everyone. Like what? I don't know.

00:09:49.680 Do you think we don't spy on Mossad? Like, I'm a little confused by that one, but we'll get to that.

00:09:53.760 Yeah, that one's weird. But I mean, why not throw it in if you're just trying to put together these

00:09:57.340 arguments? That's fine. But like, also, no one cares.

00:10:00.360 I want to steal, man. I want to take the maximalist Israel is bad position in this one,

00:10:04.900 because it's important to ask these sorts of questions.

00:10:08.400 Okay.

00:10:08.580 Like, if you're asking if Israel had actively decided to not send troops within any of our recent conflicts,

00:10:14.200 that would be a definite sign that they are not actually a very good friend.

00:10:18.420 But that is, that is not what happened. And you know, it's, it's, it's a shame. And I,

00:10:25.700 I don't even know if like Nick's aware of this, of why, like, it may just be that Ben Shapiro was

00:10:30.180 such a dick to him. As we pointed out, Ben Shapiro has basically created all of the anti-Semites.

00:10:35.040 Nick is completely justified in becoming an anti-Semite after what Ben Shapiro put him through.

00:10:40.620 Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire.

00:10:41.560 That's why Owens, we don't know everything, but she might be as well. We'll wait to see when

00:10:46.380 Brett Cooper starts coming about with anti-Semitic stuff.

00:10:48.980 Seriously, though.

00:10:51.140 Ben Shapiro seems to be, hey, Ben Shapiro's come after us too. He doesn't like our techno-puritan

00:10:55.580 nonsense. He thinks we're weirdo nerds. He doesn't like anyone other than him getting

00:10:59.340 popular in conservative spaces, especially any ideology other than him. But what I'm pointing

00:11:03.720 out here, so first of all, what I want to point out was all of this stuff is Nick Fuentes didn't

00:11:07.640 really get enough time to elaborate on any of these points. None of these points were

00:11:11.540 overstated so untruly that I think he is attempting to manipulate his audience using

00:11:15.960 information. I genuinely think that, and this is a big, like, when he states this, he is

00:11:24.160 speaking in good faith.

00:11:26.040 I think so. I think so.

00:11:27.660 That it is a conversation we need to be able to have, and this is my biggest problem with

00:11:31.080 Jews, is they will not let us have this conversation. Not all of them, obviously, but it only takes

00:11:36.500 a minority of people acting bad, a la Ben Shapiro.

00:11:39.220 Oh, so you're saying, like, there should be more of a conversation around Zionism that's,

00:11:44.360 like, actually functional, instead of just, like, it's good, it's bad.

00:11:47.480 He's talked about it! He brought it up!

00:11:49.420 I see.

00:11:49.880 Cancel! End his show!

00:11:51.460 Okay.

00:11:51.760 You know, and that was really effed up. And I think, honestly, Ben Shapiro needs to be

00:11:56.100 pilloried for this. When I heard what Nick Fuentes went through, I was like, Ben Shapiro is

00:12:01.120 the greatest threat to the Jewish people in America right now. Nick Fuentes is the right

00:12:08.120 kaya right now. I think that he is completely unhinged, what he did. It was completely unjustifiable.

00:12:14.620 Well, I mean, in short, basically, before, like, I think even when Nick Fuentes was either

00:12:20.220 in college or just recently out of college, a very young, burgeoning influencer, very small

00:12:25.600 platform, relatively, for where he is now at the time. So, like, not even someone that Ben

00:12:30.820 Shapiro should have been aware of, really. Yeah. Ben Shapiro sort of came at him.

00:12:35.980 Attending to destroy his life over and over and over again, getting him fired from multiple jobs.

00:12:41.720 Totally unwarranted. So, yeah, that just for, in case people are out of the way.

00:12:46.220 Milk toast takes often. Like, you know, and I think that my takeaway is I can see, I'm not even,

00:12:54.320 like, anti-Nick Fuentes, right? Like, I'm not, like, cancel Nick Fuentes or anything like that.

00:12:57.340 I'm, like, we have disagreements. Here's why. But I am, like, Ben Shapiro, we need to do something

00:13:02.880 about Ben Shapiro. And so I'll be calling Mossad to make sure they take care of the situation before

00:13:08.440 he creates any more anti-Semites. But anyway, let's keep going here. Let's, you were wondering

00:13:14.380 about the sale to China, right? So what happened here?

00:13:16.840 Oh, God. Sorry. Just small aside. Call Mossad. We keep asking our kids who they're going to call.

00:13:22.620 And obviously, it's the Ghostbusters. But yesterday, in complete earnestness, our six-year-old

00:13:26.940 son, Octavian, was like, what is their number? He was, like, really concerned. We, like, didn't

00:13:32.580 actually have their phone number. Like, we need to call Ghostbusters. But I could set up

00:13:37.940 a phone service with some vibe coding that'll do both. I was like, I'll do an AI that'll be

00:13:43.040 the Ghostbusters hotline for the kids. Please. Oh, my God. You want me to just, like, set that

00:13:46.960 up? I'm probably a dude. Fans can tell me if they want me to create an AI hotline that

00:13:51.280 pretends to be a Ghostbusters service. Or Mossad. No, just like, okay.

00:13:55.120 We'll be able to create that with the RFAB agent service, actually. Give them a, yeah.

00:13:59.400 Okay. Carry on. Sorry.

00:14:00.680 So there are documented instances of Israel doing this. It was often framed more as

00:14:05.720 unauthorized transfers or sales of U.S.-delivered military technology than outright, quote-unquote,

00:14:10.080 secrets in a spy novel since. Israel has repeated U.S. accusations of passing sensitive

00:14:15.380 American tech to China, dating back decades and causing diplomatic flare-ups. In the 1980s and

00:14:21.340 1990s, so a bit more recently, Israel sold China military hardware like missiles, radars, and

00:14:26.840 navigation systems, including tech derived from U.S. programs. And sorry to make you feel old,

00:14:31.700 but the 90s actually was a really long time ago. Yeah. For people who don't know, it's 2025 right now.

00:14:37.880 Okay. So this was 30-something years ago. Different time. Okay. Different time. No,

00:14:45.740 but what I'm saying is the people who were involved in these decisions are not still in power in Israel.

00:14:52.500 Yeah. Yeah. We're talking about the last or the generation before the generation

00:14:57.520 that we're dealing with today. The CIA specifically alleges that in 1993 that China had acquired

00:15:03.360 advanced U.S.-sourced tech for jet fighters and air-to-air military missiles via Israel worth

00:15:10.000 two to three billion in deals. This is totally a real thing that Israel actually did and was a

00:15:19.020 D move. Yeah. Not cool, Israel. Not cool. What the hell, man? Yeah. Hey. A major 1990s scandal

00:15:28.080 involved Israel selling China blueprints for the U.S.-funded Lavi fighter jet after canceling the

00:15:33.880 project, which included proprietary American avionics and engine tech. It's super not cool

00:15:39.560 because we were being bros at that time, too. You don't do that to your bros. Yes. There is one

00:15:44.700 recent instance of this tech transfer, but it's fairly small. In 2013, the U.S. expressed fury after

00:15:51.300 Israel transferred secret missile and electro-optics technology to China, violating our

00:15:56.240 agreements on end-use restrictions for U.S. aid. So these were technologies that we funded their

00:16:03.280 development of, but we said you're not allowed to transfer them to China if you develop them.

00:16:08.520 And they did, which is an absolute D move. Honestly, for me, like on a relational level,

00:16:15.520 I mean, I get that there's still enough aligned incentives where there's, there was a reason why

00:16:19.280 we obviously didn't cut ties with them entirely. But if this were like on a personal granular level

00:16:26.000 in our real lives and someone burned us like that, no, like absolutely our relationship is over.

00:16:31.340 So I can see that being a really serious issue. No, I can see that. The problem is, is that if the,

00:16:35.860 if the, if the opposite of the counter force, if you're having to choose between somebody who

00:16:42.200 occasionally screws you over and somebody who states that they hate everything that you're doing

00:16:48.720 and has an ultimate plan for your destruction and subjugation, that's, that's the difference

00:16:55.000 between the Vatican and Israel, which we'll get to because we're going to get to the, the Vatican

00:16:58.820 stuff in a second. It happens. Okay. Yeah. Well, no, I mean, this is, it's, it's, it's a,

00:17:04.120 like, I will not pretend that Israel. And what I actually even like about Nick Fontes's position

00:17:08.340 is the thing that he didn't mention, which he could have mentioned, which is also a true incident,

00:17:12.360 but I guess he didn't mention it because it's sort of like maybe not as hard as some of the other

00:17:17.060 incidents he rattled off was the destruction of the American warship by Israel during, I forget

00:17:23.400 which conflict that was, but there is some evidence that it may have been deliberate, you know,

00:17:27.360 killing us military personnel. Why would they be interested in doing that? Conspiracy theorists

00:17:35.120 have a reason that's pretty stupid. I think it was an accident. I think I, I, I really can't like

00:17:41.140 when I look at the reasons, it just doesn't seem, even if they were going to do it to be mean, like

00:17:47.480 to, to attempt to achieve some end, it doesn't seem worth the risk to me. It doesn't seem worth

00:17:52.520 the damage. It seems to me fairly odd, but most people believe that they did this. This is like,

00:18:01.440 you know, they, they, if you're taking an anti-Israel perspective, it's something that you

00:18:05.100 typically get in the bucket of anti-Israel perspectives. And I like, because a rational person

00:18:10.840 like me who looked at it wouldn't believe it, Nick didn't throw it out there. I do believe Israel

00:18:15.940 did act in a way that was antagonistic to Americans' interests with these tech transfers to China and

00:18:21.500 stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. That is, and I hadn't known about that before. I'm glad Nick.

00:18:26.140 But I want, I want to be clear. It is not like the 2013 one. If, if your impression is Israel had

00:18:34.060 spies who like stole secret military technology from the United States and then sold it to China,

00:18:39.900 that is not what happened. It is more like the U S and in this case, it appears for, for U S aid

00:18:46.280 was funding the development of specific weapons within Israel being developed by Israeli companies.

00:18:53.940 But in a condition of that aid was that they not sell this technology to anyone else. And then those

00:19:01.180 companies sold that technology to other people. This is not like somebody came into my house and

00:19:07.680 stole my stuff. It's like, I gave somebody some money and said, develop this, but I get exclusive

00:19:13.380 rights to sell it. Right. Or just, you know, and then they, they sell it to somebody else as well.

00:19:20.600 My stance on that still holds. Yeah. It's a, it's a, if someone does that, you can't trust them,

00:19:25.220 you know, but well, you can't trust Israel. Like this is, they're a foreign country with,

00:19:29.940 with goals that are antagonistic to America's goals, just as the Vatican has goals that are

00:19:35.800 antagonistic to America's goals at times. And this is what I'm trying to pull out here.

00:19:40.500 Israel is not monstrous for acting like a foreign country, right?

00:19:44.360 Because they are a foreign country and they have their own.

00:19:47.380 They are a foreign country. The U S spies on Israel as well, probably less competently,

00:19:53.000 but the U S spies on Israel as well, right? The U S does things that F over Israel as well, not

00:19:59.680 as severely as Israel has done to us, but we have done things that have F'd them over.

00:20:04.540 Now let's go to the gives false intelligent one here.

00:20:07.580 So I'm not going to go overly deep into things here, but we have the 1956 Suez crisis.

00:20:13.000 We have the 1975 reassessment crisis. We have the 1981 AWAC sale to Saudi Arabia.

00:20:19.140 We have the 1982 Lebanon war and arms restrictions. We have the 1991 loan guarantees dispute.

00:20:26.000 We have the 2014 halt on hellfire missiles. We have the 2016 UN security council resolution 2334.

00:20:33.420 This episode is already long enough, so I'm not going to go deep into every one of these.

00:20:36.880 I need to change a diaper and get the kids and we can finish this later.

00:20:41.860 I'm doing Mongolian beef. I'm going to look up a recipe and prepare it.

00:20:45.580 We're taking the kids trick or treating.

00:20:46.840 The one thing with Mongolian beef is you're going to want to start early in the preparation process

00:20:50.680 of you're in the kids dinner with the marinade.

00:20:52.200 Okay. I will take a look at that.

00:20:55.400 Remember, it uses a lot of chives as well and we'll do it with rice and I love you to death

00:21:00.900 and you're a perfect wife. And I hope with this episode fun and...

00:21:04.860 Fascinating. I had no idea about that history with American Catholicism. So that is insane.

00:21:10.980 Really changes your perception of Catholicism than Catholics within modern America.

00:21:14.680 It does. But I also just feel like we're entering a new era where it isn't what it used to be.

00:21:19.620 It's like a new religion that is derived from Catholicism, but is no longer Catholicism.

00:21:26.380 I agree with that. I agree with that. But I think a lot of the original fears that the founders have

00:21:31.500 of having split alliances and allegiances is still very real.

00:21:35.640 I don't know. I don't know. That's up for debate. I think that the new version of Catholicism

00:21:43.500 feels more to me like early American colonies. Like, hey, we're going to go on our own and build

00:21:48.880 communities and build a city upon a hill. I feel like the cities upon the hill that I'm excited

00:21:52.940 about are Catholic communities in many senses in the United States. So I kind of disagree with you,

00:21:58.900 but yeah. Gotta run. Gotta run. Love you.

00:22:02.660 You're amazing. You're amazing. And so the comments on the first Nick Fuentes episode,

00:22:09.580 I assume we got some pretty angry ones because we do have breakers as fans.

00:22:13.840 Yeah. Some of the Catholics were like, well, no, no, no, no, for like various reasons. I don't know

00:22:17.700 if you saw the unhinged email we got from. You can cure infertility. That was the first line. I was

00:22:23.440 just like, no, you can't. You not. There are some forms of infertility you can cure, but you can't

00:22:28.600 cure every form of infertility. Certainly not the type you suffered from, Simone.

00:22:34.080 No. Yeah, that was...

00:22:35.880 Like, like, I don't, I don't understand where these people come from, right? Like,

00:22:40.660 I'm like, come on, man. Like, at least approach us with like intellectual integrity. Don't just

00:22:46.000 tell me stuff that's like patently untrue. But no, that's, it reminded me of the reporter who came

00:22:52.280 at us and was like... Races have no differences. Oh, no, but there, yeah, well, there was the other

00:22:57.760 one who was like, there's nowhere in the U.S. where it's dangerous to be a white person. And I was

00:23:02.080 just... Oh, yeah. It's like a patently, obviously untrue thing. Like, why are you coming to us with

00:23:06.940 that? When I assume that a lot of Catholics in the comments are probably like, no, you can be a

00:23:11.880 Catholic and disagree with the Catholic bureaucracy as a... Yeah, that was some comments. Yes.

00:23:17.980 Yeah, but that's literally what Protestantism is. You can, you can believe everything that

00:23:23.880 Catholics believe and you can go to a Catholic church. But if you disagree with the organizational

00:23:29.280 structure, that was the beef that the Reformation had was the church.

00:23:33.840 Yeah, I think ironically, though, some maybe Catholic commenters didn't get that. They're

00:23:38.700 like, well, yeah, but Protestants also disagree with each other. And we're like, yeah, that's

00:23:41.720 kind of the point. Like, that's what they do. Yeah, we disagree with each other all the

00:23:45.180 time because we don't have a central authority telling us what to think. Yes, that is the

00:23:48.320 whole thing is that there isn't... That is the core concern I have with Catholicism is

00:23:54.620 that there is an external body to me which can define what my faith is, right? Like, that's

00:24:00.760 my problem with Mormonism as well. And if you deny that, then you are schismatic. You are

00:24:08.480 saying that you would refuse to, even if it went through, you know, a council at the Catholic church

00:24:15.720 or a said papal bull, something that disagrees with your personal faith, then you're already

00:24:21.000 schismatic in your heart, right? You know, you're already saying, well, I'll just flip from the church

00:24:25.200 the moment the church doesn't agree with my interpretation of Christianity, which it's a weird

00:24:33.300 sort of, like, limbo schismatic take. But I also understand what you're saying. Like, a lot of

00:24:37.700 Catholics in the US are, I think, unaware of, like, the specific... That's the thing, is we have a new

00:24:45.080 evolution of Catholicism in the United States, which is almost like a form of Protestantism, if you want

00:24:51.320 to be super technical about it, that is very grassroots, that is very independent, that's very

00:24:56.480 self-determined, and that isn't necessarily about top-down. No, I agree really strongly with you.

00:25:03.420 And I think that this form of Catholicism, I like this form of Catholicism. And that is probably the

00:25:07.020 form of Catholicism to which Nick Fuentes adheres, maybe without fully acknowledging it, maybe even to

00:25:13.000 himself. But, like, I do think that's more what he represents. And people chiming in in the comments

00:25:18.400 also said that they, as followers of Nick Fuentes, who, like, actually watch his streams a lot,

00:25:24.260 have not at any point seen him express Catholic integralist views. Though I know you say, like,

00:25:30.080 AI says back and forward, like, he is one, but... Yeah, but I was like, but hey, I did the research.

00:25:34.520 I said I couldn't find anything where he said it explicitly. But there's also nowhere where he says

00:25:38.980 he's not that. So that's the problem, is that, like, until we can get him on Basecamp and talk with

00:25:44.540 him... Yeah, about, like, what his long-term plan for society is. But I think that what he represents,

00:25:49.640 and what we're seeing with a lot of Catholics among our fans, or within even the US,

00:25:53.820 more broadly, and these are the Catholics who are having a lot of kids, and are, like, actually

00:25:59.640 have a chance of surviving, is there's sort of this, we disagree with the Vatican, we disagree

00:26:06.020 with the central bureaucracy, but we're not going to make a stink about it. And we're just going to

00:26:11.280 create a Catholic identity that is more focused on the aesthetics of Catholicism, rather than the

00:26:17.200 technical bureaucracy of Catholicism. Well, what's funny, too, though, and we've seen this in comments,

00:26:22.660 is that there are also very papist Catholics, who very much want to be a part of this top-down

00:26:30.640 Vatican City-based hierarchy, but also don't acknowledge the current regime, which I think

00:26:35.820 there's a long historical basis for this, right? Like, all the different schisms and different,

00:26:39.400 like, oh, well... And usually those lead to, like, schisms.

00:26:43.320 Yeah. But what I find is interesting is, is at least the one, the Catholicism that will replace

00:26:50.340 Catholicism, the future of Catholicism is very grassroots, and I don't, I don't, I wouldn't say

00:26:55.420 it's accurate to say they disagree with Vatican City. I would say that they are indifferent to it,

00:27:01.100 that they use it as a resource when they want it, and they don't when they don't. It's almost like

00:27:04.880 how Americans kind of view the American government.

00:27:06.660 I completely agree with you. They are indifferent to it, but that it's, it's, they're indifferent to

00:27:11.680 it enough that it doesn't cause them to, like, be like, okay, well, now I need to think, does the

00:27:15.760 word Catholic actually still apply to me? Because they just don't care. Like, they're like...

00:27:19.260 Well, no, but just think about the way that we feel about America, right? Like, we're proud to be

00:27:23.240 Americans. We, we're team America, but we're not like, you know, we, we don't, you know, bow down to an

00:27:30.680 American flag every morning. We're not like, well, the president said this, and we have to...

00:27:33.660 This is, no, this is a terrible analogy, because as an American, right, like, I am not taking a vow

00:27:40.600 when I claim to be, like, a nationalist American or something like that, that my theology is defined

00:27:46.280 by what the president says, specific circumstances. Oh, okay. The only thing that makes a Protestant

00:27:52.220 a Protestant and a Catholic a Catholic is a Catholic follow the beliefs of the councils, and they believe

00:27:58.320 in apostolic succession, and when the Pope says things under specific circumstances, those are

00:28:04.120 now the word of God. Yeah, that's true. When you pledge allegiance, it's to the Republic. It's not

00:28:08.400 the president. It's not any administration. It's not any single politician.

00:28:13.300 Right, but there's a new form of Catholic that doesn't believe that these things are part of

00:28:17.800 Catholic identity, and it's more just like the vibe. And this is actually, like, Nick Fuentes'

00:28:22.320 larger thing here, which I find really fascinating, is I always point out, you know, he'll go out there

00:28:27.760 and he'll be like, you know, we need to take back America from these foreign minorities. And as we

00:28:33.220 argued in yesterday's episode, I'm like, there were, like, no Catholics that America's founding.

00:28:37.520 It was founded as an anti-Catholic state. Oh, and someone in the comments even chimed in saying

00:28:42.320 that there was this hilarious book he found at one point in the library where a Catholic mooned about

00:28:47.940 the, in 1913, this book was published, like, was mooning about the idea of maybe someday there

00:28:53.080 will be Catholics in the Senate. Just like that, like, could it be possible? Right. Like, this glass

00:28:57.960 ceiling. But there was so much, you know, Catholicism. Yeah, but the point I was making

00:29:03.400 here was that Nick Fuentes, he's like, we need to get rid of this foreign element in the United States

00:29:08.320 that the founding fathers didn't want here, that et cetera. And he is part of that minority. Like,

00:29:13.660 as I've always said, if you're getting a three-course dish in American history,

00:29:16.300 and one course is anti-Black racism, and one course is anti-Semitism, the third course is

00:29:21.280 always anti-Catholic sentiment. And it almost reminds me, like, he's like Bugs Bunny, and it's

00:29:25.560 like hunting season. And he's like, it's not Catholic season, it's Jew season. And then the

00:29:31.560 other one's like, no, it's Catholic season. But with Daffy Duck. Yeah. But the funny thing is,

00:29:36.980 is he's like, well, we need to get all of this, these Catholics together, all these conservative

00:29:40.740 Catholics together, and impose our will on America, right? Like, make America a country of

00:29:45.640 our color, right? And what's really wild to me is Catholics make up 20% of the U.S.'s population.

00:29:54.780 They are shrinking in terms of birth rate dramatically quickly. They are shrinking-

00:29:59.460 Well, but, like, mainstream ones, not these, like, grassroots communities.

00:30:04.040 No, no, no. They're shrinking in terms of deconversions very quickly. So just so you know,

00:30:07.920 in terms of the numbers here, for every one person who converts to Catholicism, 8.4 adults

00:30:14.060 leave the faith. For every one person who converts to Protestantism, 1.8 leave the faith.

00:30:19.700 So it's a faith that's in an incredibly weak position right now, basically across all positions

00:30:25.920 in terms of, like, societal dominance. And he's acting like it's the dominant viewpoint of Americans,

00:30:32.440 or even of conservatives. And it's this sort of LARP, which he also has with the Vatican,

00:30:38.000 where he has this LARP that I think that the Vatican or that the Central Catholic bureaucracy

00:30:42.220 agrees with his position on things like immigration, or things like, you know, they've basically written

00:30:47.720 a whole thing, which we'll get into in this episode, where they basically denounce him,

00:30:51.720 you know, and specifically Catholic integralism and sort of nationalist Catholicism.

00:30:56.680 And especially as it's growing within the US, which I mean, who else are they talking about?

00:31:01.940 But what's interesting is, like, Nick Fuentes' worldview works, because he pretends that most

00:31:08.040 Americans are like him, and he pretends that the Vatican agrees with him, and that this makes his

00:31:13.780 worldview cohesive, where if you look at the world as it actually exists, the Conservative Party could

00:31:18.660 only win as an alliance of many different groups, one of those groups being Catholic. But to pretend

00:31:24.600 that these groups aren't actually different is a Trojan horse in American Christianity,

00:31:30.820 more broadly, you know, like trying to push Catholicism into the Protestant traditions that

00:31:36.420 America grew is, is, I think, quite insidious. And I think that a lot of conservatives thought that

00:31:42.100 they were just playing nice, as you know, I always do. And I think we need to be honest that

00:31:46.660 these are different religions, right? They actually have, I would argue that, like, theologically,

00:31:51.220 if you look at our, for example, iteration of, like, Technopuritanism, which is, like,

00:31:54.660 Calvinism mixed with science, it is closer to many forms of Judaism, or even some forms of

00:32:01.420 Mormonism, than it is to Catholicism. This idea that Protestantism and Catholicism are very close

00:32:06.300 in their beliefs is just not, it's not anymore, right? Or at least a lot of Protestant factions,

00:32:13.200 right? Yeah. And, and, but anyway, I'll get started on the episode here.

00:32:16.620 Let's go.

00:32:19.340 So, coming back in, after we just went over all the text stealing and everything like that,

00:32:23.980 and I was like, that's terrible that they did that. I want to go into conspiracies, right? So,

00:32:28.280 we talked in the last episode about how Catholics basically dominate the Supreme Court because

00:32:31.800 an invitation-only society, which does have closed doors meetings, so a secret society,

00:32:36.320 the Federalist Society, basically put Catholics in charge of one-third of our government.

00:32:40.900 They're so cool, though. Can you even be mad?

00:32:43.200 I can be mad because they pretend that they're promoting conservative values when they're really

00:32:48.820 controlled by Catholics and disproportionately promote Catholics.

00:32:51.700 Well, they're Catholic conservative values.

00:32:54.280 No, that's not what they tell their donors. That's not what they tell the public.

00:32:57.640 They are, it is a shady thing that's happening. Now, I like that they're on our side. I prefer,

00:33:05.500 you know, if there's conservative Jews who are putting Jews in positions of power and promoting a

00:33:10.520 conservative message, I'm like, okay, you're on our side, whatever, right? And there's conservative

00:33:15.700 Catholics who have gotten together and put Catholics in a position of power, as long as they aren't

00:33:18.760 sabotaging us, which they're not so far. I'm like, okay, that's great, right? And speaking of

00:33:22.780 conservative Jews, we watched Ben Shapiro's basically, like, fall out from this, where he just goes,

00:33:28.600 not so, but so, but hurt about the Tucker Carlson, how Tucker Carlson is ruining America,

00:33:34.180 and shows all these whiny, whiny clips about Nick Fuentes, which is like, look, I caught him.

00:33:39.600 I caught him. I caught him saying the thing. A guy who streams for multiple hours a day said

00:33:45.700 something offensive once. And if you look at, like, the things that he thinks he caught him on,

00:33:49.980 a lot of them is just, like, true stuff that anyone being honest would say. Like, the first one he runs

00:33:56.060 is Nick saying, and I think he could have chosen his wording better, that some women like

00:34:00.900 to get great. And what I think he meant to say, which we point out in our book on sexuality,

00:34:07.320 human sexuality. And I've brought up on our podcast multiple times.

00:34:10.520 What? Something we've also brought up on our podcast.

00:34:13.040 There are a large percentage, like a very meaningful percentage of women who get arousal

00:34:21.520 from imagining scenarios like this. It doesn't necessarily mean they want it to happen to them.

00:34:26.400 Obviously, in a minority of cases, that is likely true. And people will be like,

00:34:30.900 oh, that's because men scrambled their brain. I'm like, Fifty Shades of Grey did not become

00:34:35.020 a bestseller because women wanted to show off to their husbands. I don't go to Barnes & Noble

00:34:40.060 and see an entire monster effer aisle. Sorry, not one. I'd say it's like half of like the women's

00:34:46.440 fiction section is about women effing monsters. Okay? This is not because of men. You can watch our

00:34:53.200 episode on what we think led to this. But the point being is like, men, you can't do this

00:34:58.740 anymore. You can't go out there and cherry pick a few things and then show them to your audience

00:35:04.500 and think your audience is going to be like, oh, yeah, you know, that, that, that, what? He said

00:35:10.620 the naughty thing. Now he's off the air. He said the naughty thing. And that you think that that's

00:35:15.040 still okay means you don't really have a part in the modern conservative movement. Because the modern

00:35:20.120 conservative movement is an anti-pearl clutcher movement. And when you come out there and you're

00:35:24.020 clutching your pearls, like little diva. Well, I think the bigger problem is that the conservative

00:35:30.840 movement and the new right have really succeeded because they're big tent. And a big problem that

00:35:36.840 he has is he's little tent. He wants people out of his tent. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Ben Shapiro.

00:35:43.560 Ben Shapiro and Nick Fuentes. Ben, well, no, Nick, Nick, Nick Fuentes is off the reservation.

00:35:49.340 He's just doing his own thing. He's not any need to. Yeah, he's literally off the reservation.

00:35:52.940 Yeah, there's, there's no, he's, he's out, no shelter, just, you know, free ball on it.

00:35:58.720 But yeah, no. Ben Shapiro actually reminds me of Lemongrab from Adventure Time.

00:36:02.580 Just like, no!

00:36:08.140 Unacceptable! Unacceptable! Unacceptable!

00:36:12.720 Well, I don't know. My primary issue with him is that he, he tries to exclude people, but also from

00:36:23.580 this position of being superior and like morally superior and high and mighty. And I, I'm okay

00:36:31.860 with trash. I love trash talk. I think trash talk is great. I think doing it from a position of moral

00:36:36.660 superiority instead of like gamesmanship is tedious, but let's, let's carry on. Sorry.

00:36:44.280 Let's carry on. And when I will say, I, I, I do love it when people say things that are just meant

00:36:48.920 to freak out people like Ben Shapiro. Yeah, at this point now it's, yeah. When, when, when it's

00:36:54.600 tempted. Curtis Yarvin is the king of this. Nick Fuentes is like, I watched the Nick Fuentes offensive

00:37:00.280 clips and frankly, I found them boring. I, I love Curtis Yarvin' biodiesel line. You know, that, that

00:37:06.360 we, we'll turn Ben Shapiro and his types into biodiesel. You say something like that, and then

00:37:11.800 that gets clipped and people will be like, oh, he must mean the Jews. And I'm like, no, I'm talking

00:37:15.400 about the Pearl Clutchers. The Pearl Clutchers, we're done with this. Okay. That's no longer what

00:37:19.460 we're doing anymore. Okay. The people who are like, oh, you can't say this, that hurt my fee-fees.

00:37:24.280 What are they, you know, feels, right? Yes. Nick Fuentes punched him right in the feels.

00:37:29.540 That was inappropriate. But anyway, to continue here, I now want to talk about conspiracies. Okay.

00:37:35.620 So let's talk about the Jews controlling Hollywood, right? Because people will be like, well, look,

00:37:39.580 the Jews take power within organizations and then use those organizations to shape society. Right?

00:37:45.020 So let's look at how the Jews do this and contrast this with how the Catholics do it. Because a lot

00:37:49.760 of people don't know that the Catholics also do this. Let's use Hollywood as the example here,

00:37:54.740 because it's the one that always, people always take to. Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe who

00:37:58.260 face discrimination and established industries gravitated towards the nascent film business in

00:38:03.480 the early 20th century. Many of the big six studios were founded or co-founded by Jews.

00:38:07.920 Warner Bros. established by the four Warner Brothers, Polish Jewish immigrants. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer,

00:38:13.360 MGM, was founded by a Belarusian Jew and a Polish Jew. Paramount Pictures founded by a Hungarian Jew.

00:38:21.320 Universal Pictures founded by a German Jew. Wow.

00:38:24.100 Columbia Pictures founded by the son of a German-Russian Jewish immigrant. And then 20th

00:38:30.220 Century Fox was founded by a Hungarian Jew and a Russian Jew. So the Jews really did found almost

00:38:36.520 every major studio in the United States, except for Disney. And Disney, of course, famously did not

00:38:42.660 like the Jews very much.

00:38:44.580 Well, he didn't. I don't know.

00:38:45.880 We should do the funny...

00:38:47.080 What the hell? What's happened to us? I don't

00:38:52.000 know, but suddenly I feel all sweet and warm and fuzzy. It seems we're in a universe where

00:38:57.180 everything is drawn by Disney. Look, there's our house.

00:39:04.040 Look how gaily we run.

00:39:05.840 Oh, Stewie and Brian, you're just in time for pie.

00:39:15.000 This is wonderful, Brian. Oh, let's live in this universe.

00:39:18.500 Hello, everybody.

00:39:20.200 Jew!

00:39:22.960 Oh, yeah, I forgot. This is a Disney universe.

00:39:30.680 Oh, but look how shiny my buttons are here.

00:39:32.880 Just push the...

00:39:33.420 Yeah, yeah, okay, okay. I'll push the finger.

00:39:35.060 Yeah, he was not a fan of the little hat people. But I imagine it's because he was in an industry

00:39:40.800 that was completely dominated by Jewish people at the time, and even today. And by the way,

00:39:46.300 2008 poll noted that now only 22% of Americans believe that Jews, quote unquote, run Hollywood,

00:39:52.800 whereas this number was 50% in 1964. But it was actually like functionally true. Most of the

00:39:58.520 people running Hollywood were Jewish. Also, you didn't have a lot of criticism.

00:40:03.420 Judaism of Jews or the Jewish experience coming out of Hollywood during this period of Jewish

00:40:08.120 dominance. So let's look at the facts here. Jews at least did control Hollywood, and you

00:40:14.440 today have outside influence in Hollywood. Why do they have the outside influence in Hollywood?

00:40:19.700 It's because they built it. They built it. They're the reason why America has all of the

00:40:25.780 soft power we have.

00:40:26.640 Blaming the Jews for influence in Hollywood is like blaming the patriarchy for building

00:40:31.140 the world.

00:40:32.340 Right? Yeah, it's like, well, you weren't doing it, okay?

00:40:34.780 Yeah, like...

00:40:36.160 You're welcome.

00:40:37.360 What do you want?

00:40:38.020 You know, it's really much like...

00:40:38.940 So what I believe you were trying to say is thank you.

00:40:43.000 Thank you?

00:40:43.640 You're welcome.

00:40:44.640 What? No, no, no. I didn't... I wasn't... Why would I ever...

00:40:48.120 Right? It's like, yeah, I built it, and now I run it, and I discriminate in favor of my

00:40:52.680 own people, as we all should. Sorry, I'm not saying we should discriminate in favor. I'm

00:40:57.860 saying as we should all be able to if we have a preference for it, okay?

00:41:02.300 This is what, you know, what is that? Kwanzaa is about, for example.

00:41:07.440 Oh, yeah, supporting Black-owned businesses.

00:41:09.440 Shopping Black-owned businesses, right?

00:41:10.900 You know, that's not illegal, or it might be within some circumstances, but anyway, so

00:41:15.080 Jews control Hollywood because they developed one of America's strongest cultural tools.

00:41:21.140 Has Hollywood been corrupted since its founding? Absolutely. But the corruption of Hollywood

00:41:27.060 has actually correlated with a decrease in Jewish control over Hollywood.

00:41:31.580 Not Jewish enough.

00:41:33.260 Not an increase in Jewish control over Hollywood. In fact, I'd argue it really just comes downstream

00:41:38.960 of the urban monoculture and parts of Jewish culture being corrupted more quickly, but

00:41:43.400 these parts are dying out anyway because they don't have kids. All right, so Jews control

00:41:46.980 Hollywood, but they also built Hollywood, so we sort of owe them for that, and they're

00:41:51.000 disproportionately writers, comedians, and stuff like that. I think it was something

00:41:54.220 like 90% of comedians were Jewish in New York in, like, the 1970s. I can't remember

00:41:58.920 the exact statistic. But we also see this with, well, I'll get to this in a second.

00:42:02.800 Now, let's look at Catholics. Did you know that there was a Catholic institution that

00:42:07.480 basically controlled Hollywood from the 1930s to the 1980s in terms of what they produced?

00:42:12.520 So, yes, it had to align with Jewish interests.

00:42:14.700 Does this have to do with the whole, like, censorship and rating system thing?

00:42:18.900 It absolutely did. I feel like I've listened to podcasts about this.

00:42:20.920 The Legion of Decency's moral stranglehold. That was it, yeah.

00:42:25.400 In stark contrast, Catholic groups actively controlled Hollywood's moral output through

00:42:29.820 organized pressure, ensuring Catholicism was depicted in glowing, uncritical terms.

00:42:35.680 The key player was the Catholic Legion of Decency, founded in 1933, renamed the National Catholic

00:42:42.400 Office for Motion Pictures. Oh, the Legion of Decency sounds so much better.

00:42:47.380 You know, right? Branding problems. Come on, guys.

00:42:49.680 1965, where traded films on a scale from A, morally unquestionable, to C, condemned, and

00:42:55.680 mobilized... Well, Catholic terminology is so great.

00:43:00.800 I agree. Condemned.

00:43:02.220 And mobilized boycotts via pledges taken by millions of Catholics and churches.

00:43:08.220 That's reasonable. I like this.

00:43:10.380 In the 1950s, working with the motion picture production code, Hays Code, enforced from 1934

00:43:15.600 to 1968, the Legion demanded positive portrayals of religion, specifically Catholicism. Clergy

00:43:21.640 could not be villain. Priests and nuns were invariably heroic, virtuous, and wise, e.g. being

00:43:27.560 Cosby's affable father, O'Malley, Going My Way, 1944, and The Bells of St. Mary, 1945, with

00:43:34.500 Oscars even towing the line. Films mocking the church are showing flawed priests risked condemnation,

00:43:39.420 leading to edits or bans. For example, The Moon is Blue, 1953, was condemned for damn and

00:43:45.920 virgin, sparking debates by showing the Legion's power. Studios feared losing Catholic audiences,

00:43:52.560 estimated to be 20% of ticket buyers. And I'll note here, which is really cool, this is why

00:43:58.900 if you watch old movies, I don't know if you've ever noticed that there is a trope in an old

00:44:03.180 movie of a priest is given a confession, a Catholic priest, obviously, because that's a

00:44:08.100 confession. And the confession contains, like, the clues to, like, solving a murder or something

00:44:13.040 like that, or a guy is going to murder someone, and the priest upholds their vow and doesn't

00:44:19.760 tell anyone, but instead, like, goes out and, like, solves it himself or something. I mean,

00:44:24.300 it's like this classic thing that you see in a lot of movies from this time period, because

00:44:28.060 it was like, in no way can a priest be a bad guy during this period, specifically Catholic

00:44:32.860 priest. 1950s to 1980s, by the mid-1950s, challenges mounted EG Baby Doll 1956, which was condemned

00:44:40.460 but released, but the Legion persisted, shifting in the 1960s post-Vatican II to promote quote-unquote

00:44:45.640 good films rather than just condemn. It influenced the MPAA rating system introduced in 1968, replacing

00:44:52.660 the code, and continued ratings until the 1980s, when INCOMP merged into USCCB's Office for Film

00:44:59.840 and Broadcasting, fading it by the 1990s. Even then, it ensured sycophantic depictions, films

00:45:05.300 like The Nuns' Stories, 1959, idealized covenant life, while critical ones, e.g. The Cardinal in 1963,

00:45:12.480 still portrayed the church sympathetically to avoid backlash. So this is really important,

00:45:17.620 because what it shows is the ways that Catholics control things versus the ways that Jews control

00:45:22.780 things. Jews build things and out-compete other individuals and use that to control

00:45:29.000 organizations with a bit of nepotism on the side. Catholics have the same nepotism, but they do

00:45:35.120 it through blackmailing people who have built things other than themselves, right? Which is just

00:45:41.240 strictly worse.

00:45:42.360 And it actually did work. And I tried to go up a little. I wanted one time. And I just, like,

00:45:50.420 disappeared. Thank you, Dad, a lot.

00:45:55.600 Now, obviously, this isn't true of all Catholics, but we're talking about the way Catholic organizations,

00:46:01.480 when they have exerted influence in the past, contrasting with Jewish organizations when they've

00:46:05.780 exerted influence in the past, how they do it, right? Even if you look at today, like,

00:46:10.380 the big Jewish funding groups that are influencing politics, they do it through putting money into

00:46:15.880 politics, like putting money that they made and giving that to politicians. Not, well, except in

00:46:21.400 Ben Shapiro's case, as often threatening and blackmailing. Now, let's go to the next claim he

00:46:25.420 gave here. Gives false intelligence. Okay? So he says that Israel is a, you know, unreliable partner

00:46:31.700 because they gave false intelligence. So the incident in question here, in 2003, the Iraq WMD claim,

00:46:39.360 Israelio Intel did warn of an Iraqi WMD, e.g. curveball source was handled by Germany, not Israel. But

00:46:47.180 Israeli officials did push the threat narrative. U.S. Senate report 2004 found no evidence Israel

00:46:54.000 fabricated Intel. So this incident is just false. It was not pushed by Israel. The WMD stuff did not

00:47:00.780 come from Israel. It came from German Intel. And this was investigated. It's not accurate.

00:47:06.240 Now let's go to the next one here. Iran nuclear archive. Israel's Mossad stole 55,000 pages from

00:47:13.440 Tyran verified by IAEA as authentic. U.S. used it to exit GCPOA. But this was good Intel and it was

00:47:23.940 given by Israel. Okay, well, let's go to the next one. The Syrian reactor strike. Israel gave U.S.

00:47:29.320 precise Intel on North Korean built reactor. U.S. confirmed via satellite as accurate. Again,

00:47:34.640 it was accurate Intel. Real grievance is that Israel has withheld or shaped Intel into protected

00:47:41.560 forces, e.g. not sharing human on Hezbollah. So it's really not so much that Israeli ever gave us

00:47:48.840 provably false intelligence. It is that when they had intelligence that if shared with us

00:47:54.660 would cause us to act in a way that was against Israeli interests, they chose not to share it with

00:48:00.100 us. Wow. To which I must ask, do you think that the U.S. shares intelligence with Israel that would

00:48:06.320 cause them to act in a way that is unaligned with our interests? So basically Israel's not retarded.

00:48:13.880 Conspiracy? Yeah. And he has no oil. This is one of his claims. Therefore, they have no strategic

00:48:21.140 resources. Here's the problem. Israel has another strategic resource which is much more valuable

00:48:27.480 than oil. What is that resource? Simone, I'm going to see. Do you know the resource that Israel has

00:48:33.840 that is dramatically more valuable than oil? IP. Jews. Jews. It has Jews. I mean, even Palestine

00:48:43.160 has acknowledged that. That's why they're not going to kill them all. Yeah, what they said about the Gaza

00:48:46.580 was going. So the Gaza plan, when they went in and invaded, what they were going to do is they were

00:48:51.880 like, well, we also have to like enslave the population here because God knows our people can't

00:48:56.700 make an economy work. Right? Like even they were like, well, we got to keep them to make the money.

00:49:02.900 Of course. They didn't want to get rid of them. They wanted them to work for them. Right. And this is a

00:49:07.500 funny thing. You know, as we pointed out on the Leather Apron Club, you know, he did this thing where he goes

00:49:11.360 over something like 53% of the guests on Joe Rogan are Jewish. And it's like, yeah, because they

00:49:18.540 out-compete other groups within almost every profession. Like this is a big thing. Right.

00:49:25.580 And it's not just with nepotism. Right. Like it's clear that they can come over to our country,

00:49:30.460 lose everything, and then quickly create entire industries. Right. It reminds me, again, I've said

00:49:36.980 this before, but I see this as no different than when like BLM people are like whites are out-competing

00:49:41.920 us because they're cheating. And it's like, no, if you see a group out-competing you, like you should

00:49:47.220 be like, have the, have the humility to be like, maybe that group is doing something that I can learn

00:49:52.720 from or, or has some utility. Right. Like Catholics on the other hand, even Nick Fuentes is the first to

00:50:00.620 admit that we don't want any more Catholic immigrants into this country because he's the one who's always

00:50:04.720 complaining about the Hispanic immigrants who are predominantly Catholic, right? Like I would

00:50:11.100 not complain a lick if we got a big shipment of Jewish immigrants into this country, but I can see

00:50:16.600 why some people have concerns over the large waves of Catholic immigrants, because every time this

00:50:22.380 country, as I've mentioned in the past, you can watch our episode on why this is the case, has gotten a

00:50:25.960 wave of Catholic immigrants. It's come with organized crime, whether it's the Irish mob, Italian mafia,

00:50:30.380 you know, Mexican MS-13, you know, it's, it's just hand in hand. Right. And we talk about why this,

00:50:36.280 this happens, but it's not just that they're also less productive. It's, it's, they're like a,

00:50:41.300 if you look at Catholic majority countries, they are on the whole, you know, poorer and more corrupt.

00:50:46.820 When you look at areas with concentrations of Jews, they are typically wealthier.

00:50:52.340 Well, isn't there this weird bifurcation of Jews though? Like on, on the one hand, you have

00:50:58.020 the super high fertility Jews who don't really participate in the mainstream economy. And then

00:51:05.260 you have the offshoot low fertility Jews that are kind of self-extinguishing, but they keep getting

00:51:09.200 produced like, cause they're sort of like this. I don't want to, I don't want to say waste product,

00:51:15.160 but like by-product of, of harder line Judaism. Yeah. Jews are basically two ethnic groups because you have

00:51:22.000 the, the Ashkenazi and the Sephardic. Sephardic. Yeah. Sephardic. And it is the Ashkenazi Jews that

00:51:28.840 out-compete other groups. You can go to our video on Jews actually smarter. We argue that they're

00:51:33.340 not actually smarter. So you can, you can watch our video on that. But I don't, even if you argue

00:51:38.520 that they're not actually smarter than other groups, you cannot argue that they're not out-competing

00:51:42.720 other groups. Right. It's very much like the Nazis when they kicked out all their Jewish scientists

00:51:47.320 and then they came over here and built an A-bomb for us. Right. Like that was,

00:51:50.940 they, they do build actual things of utility when you're nice to them. There's the famous letter

00:51:57.600 that I think it was Ottoman King sent to a Spanish King when he was kicking out all the Jews during

00:52:01.980 one of the pogroms. There was basically an medieval high talk, have fun being poor, but yeah. Okay.

00:52:08.240 Next one here. I know. I mean, you've got to, even if a, if a population may turn on you, right? Like I,

00:52:14.580 again, I'm not saying that Jews are aligned with us in everything. Right. But I'm saying when I see

00:52:19.180 utility in a population and I'm having to choose between one of two groups, even Nick Fuentes doesn't

00:52:24.600 want more Catholics in this country. Right. Like, unless he can convert them. Right. Then it's

00:52:28.880 okay. Then it's okay. Like he recognizes. And I'm like, come on, man. Like this is all a LARP at this

00:52:34.600 point. Is it not like, but I'm going to continue here. Spies on us. Spies on us. Fuentes says that

00:52:40.240 Israel runs an espionage, an extensive espionage campaign against the United States. This is true

00:52:44.980 and well-documented. Jonathan Pillar, 1985, naval analyst gave Israel thousands of classified docs,

00:52:50.480 satellite imagery, signet, sentence to life. 1985 to 2004, art student spy ring. FBI investigated 140

00:52:57.260 Israelis posing as art students, casing DEA offices. NSA warned of aggressive Israeli espionage. 2019,

00:53:05.820 WhatsApp hack. Israel firm NSO groups Pegasus used to spy on U.S. officials slash journalists per

00:53:12.620 citizen's lab. GAO report Israel named top economic espionage threat to U.S. defense

00:53:18.040 contractors. FBI counterintel still ranks Israel in the top five for tech theft behind Russia and

00:53:24.160 China. So. I mean, it would make sense that, that was it yet. That was always allowed. Like

00:53:29.800 that's the way it works. No, but no, I think there's just also an extremely strong correlation

00:53:36.140 between being, having a high-tech industry and engaging in quote-unquote tech theft.

00:53:43.440 Because I don't know. What is the difference between technology anyway? Like what other country

00:53:47.600 is going to use it? Yeah. But it's not just that. Do you think that we don't spy on Israel? Like I'm

00:53:52.020 just baffled. Do you think that we don't spy on Israel? Do you think that we don't spy on our other

00:53:58.220 allies like Canada? Like, are you? Obviously we spy on Israel. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of sharing

00:54:05.880 of intel, but it makes sense, right? Like I do not, I do not hold somebody. I'm not like that makes it

00:54:10.700 bad. And I'd also point out here, do you not? It just sounds like middle school girls. They all

00:54:14.760 spy on each other and they all share everything. Well, not everything. Stuff strategically.

00:54:18.480 The Vatican has, has information networks. Like that also like baffles me. The Vatican has

00:54:25.980 political diplomatic interests and uses its, its various organizations to channel information

00:54:33.680 up to the upper ranks. Like the Vatican is not St. Lee von Saintington. If you look at their history,

00:54:40.800 which we're going to get to, right? Like they are an active political player with active political

00:54:46.820 objectives that they are willing to pursue. Let's be fair though. The Catholics are the only ones with

00:54:52.340 the saints. So. No, they are. Yeah. They are the only ones with the saints. They do have actual

00:54:57.120 a power to make their spy saints, which the Jews can't do. No saints with the Jews. Okay. Diplomatic

00:55:05.280 liability. He said the U S gives infinite foreign aid and weapons. As I pointed out, they don't. The U S

00:55:10.600 actually only gets about the amount to Israel every year on average that we give to all the Catholic

00:55:15.840 majority countries that we give a two combined, except it's reciprocal in Israel's case, because they have

00:55:20.780 to spend over 90% of that buying us weapons. And this isn't true with the Catholic aid. It just goes

00:55:25.300 to these countries and then nothing happens to it because they never get wealthier. It's like,

00:55:28.600 can we stop? Can we cut off aid to these countries? We've been giving it to them for like half a

00:55:33.060 century, much longer than we've been giving aid to Israel. And they haven't been able to get their

00:55:37.220 act together. Right? Like can't, if they're, if they're going to be unproductive, like why do we need to

00:55:42.920 keep simping for them? I'm okay with giving money to somebody who is making cool stuff with it that I may need one

00:55:50.000 day, you know, like their missile defense system. The Vatican doesn't have a missile defense system.

00:55:54.880 You know, this is the thing. If we were going into a war with vampires and I needed lots of holy water,

00:56:01.520 I'd be going to the Vatican, right? I'd be saying, Hey, we should probably ally with the Vatican.

00:56:05.940 They're really good at making holy water. But when I look at the future conflicts on our door,

00:56:11.060 the groups that want us eradicated, a lot of these groups are Islamists. In Israel is what the

00:56:18.460 Vatican is to vampire invasion. Israel is to Islamist invasion. They make a lot of things

00:56:25.220 that are very good at both protecting you from and dealing with this particular threat,

00:56:32.140 which is a growing one on the global stage. And I, I, I, the idea that they're not useful as like a,

00:56:40.420 a political or economic or technological partner is just like kind of ridiculous on face value.

00:56:48.140 If you, if you are engaging with technology, right? And this is U S technology, like, like you're in

00:56:54.040 the U S and you have technology, that technology comes from like either the United States, Japan,

00:57:02.140 Korea, or Israel, maybe Taiwan. And that's really, that they're the only places on earth that move

00:57:12.660 technology forwards to a considerable degree. You, you get some high tech industries in other

00:57:18.560 countries. Yeah. Okay. China and India and Europe that don't really produce much new stuff. But if we're

00:57:31.260 talking about like active technological development, Israel is one of the only places on earth where

00:57:36.680 you're actively doing this. And since tech defines who controls the future of human civilization,

00:57:42.780 it matters that you're friendly with the only productive technological person on earth that is

00:57:50.020 at sustainable fertility rates. Right. Because when I look at the other players on this list that I

00:57:54.880 said were relevant, like Japan and Korea and Taiwan, they're basically having their population every

00:57:59.180 generation. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway,

00:58:01.460 to be fair, the highest fertility populations in Israel are not the also high tech.

00:58:09.960 Right. But even the high tech populations are above repopulation rate. Yeah.

00:58:14.100 And even our tech in the U S you know who makes this tech in the U S a lot of it is made by Jews,

00:58:19.860 right? Like even Nick Flint has much realized if we did a program in the U S and we kicked out the

00:58:25.760 Jews in our country, or even if we made the U S a more of an enemy to Israel, the people who

00:58:31.440 run all of these tech companies and often who are starting a lot of these tech companies,

00:58:35.280 they would have a much less of a reason to ensure that the U S continues to survive and thrive.

00:58:41.820 Right. Like that would be an actively, as I've said, I don't trust the Jews to, you know,

00:58:47.180 care for us out of their own heart, but I trust the Jews to be able to see a pattern of the U S

00:58:53.100 helping Israel and say, Hey, it is in our, the Jewish people's best interest to help the United

00:58:59.280 States thrive. And this is one of those things where like Ben Shapiro goes out there and like,

00:59:03.700 obviously he cares about Jewish interests above the interests of other people, but like, that's

00:59:08.100 allowed, right? Like obviously Nick Fuentes cares about the interests of Catholics. Well,

00:59:13.040 white Catholics is the narrow group that he believes he belongs to over, over other groups.

00:59:17.240 Right. You know, I, I don't, I don't get why, why that's like not a lot. Like I,

00:59:24.720 I care about my narrow community, the, the Augs over other groups, you know, any, any.

00:59:31.960 Oh, you just like what nerd super nerds? No, no. I, I call the Augs, the people who have sort of

00:59:38.700 the same goals as the techno puritans, which is to continue to evolve humanity. Okay.

00:59:44.100 Take to space. I use the humans that will one day be augmented, right? Like, okay.

00:59:50.280 Okay. Okay. And engaging was various forms of human augmentation. I hate the word like

00:59:54.840 transhumanist. I don't think that that's what we represent. You can see our video on this. It's

00:59:58.460 much more. Yeah. Well, and also like there are too many differing definitions of the, of the term

01:00:03.760 or connotations associated. Yeah. I would say that transhumanist is, is sort of defined as a

01:00:09.120 progressive pussy version of this. And the Augs are the more like super soldier Darwinist types.

01:00:16.080 You know, you, you specifically Aug ideology is downstream of Nietzschean ideology, which says

01:00:21.540 that, you know, the, that you should strive to strengthen yourself and that immorality comes

01:00:26.120 from weakness and that you should strive to strengthen yourself in whatever way you can,

01:00:30.600 whether that's genetically, technologically through anything. And that if we allow humanity

01:00:36.140 to enter into a dysgenic spiral, which most of humanity is already within, see our video on is

01:00:41.240 an idiocracy actually possible, then we are merely worshiping weakness. And, and yeah, and there's a

01:00:46.880 lot of groups that don't like the Augs, right? So, because I think most technopuritans would get along

01:00:50.860 with any Aug, even if they didn't have the technopuritan faith. But anyway, I want to go over a document

01:00:58.080 the Vatican released in 2017. The ecumenism of hate. This is a Vatican reviewed critique of US

01:01:05.640 conservative alliances. It was published in La Civitia Catalica, a Jesuit run journal,

01:01:12.700 whose content is pre-approved by the Vatican secretary of state, making it official sounding

01:01:18.380 Vatican voice entitled Evangelical Fundamentalism and Catholic Integralism in the United States,

01:01:25.380 a surprising ecumenism. God, this is so Catholic sounding. The piece was co-authored. It doesn't

01:01:30.960 really matter. But specifically, it targeted the growing political alliance between conservative

01:01:36.020 US Catholics labeled Integralist and Evangelical Fundamentalists, particularly their support of

01:01:41.720 Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and early policies like immigration restrictions and walls. The authors

01:01:46.920 framed this as a, quote, Manchian, end quote, good versus evil worldview, promoting, quote,

01:01:53.540 denophobic and Islamophobic visions, end quote, and a, quote, nostalgic dream of a theocratic type

01:02:00.000 state, end quote. So you know who they're talking about, right? This is clearly Nick Fuentes that they

01:02:06.720 are talking about here. And they're saying, we don't support this. And not just Nick Fuentes,

01:02:12.440 they're saying, we do not support the faction of the Catholics within the United States that have moved

01:02:20.160 to support the MAGA alliance, that have moved to support things like immigration restrictions that

01:02:24.560 have moved to support. This is, this is what I talk about when I'm like, the, the, the Vatican has a

01:02:32.100 political interest. And Nick Fuentes' ideology works only insofar as he either ignores their political

01:02:41.660 interest is directly counter to our own political interests, or that he pretends like, as a Catholic,

01:02:50.160 the, the, the core thing that separates him as a Catholic from a Protestant is the, the, the,

01:02:56.960 the functions of the, the Catholic bureaucracy, specifically apostolic succession.

01:03:02.520 Ah.

01:03:04.760 So, and I, and I note here, like, this is also like Francis specifically called Trump's deportations,

01:03:11.100 a disgrace, calling it, you know, damaging dignity, right? It's not like I am twisting the

01:03:17.920 Vatican's words here. And like every Catholic who's not just completely has their head in the sand

01:03:22.380 knows this, right? I think that there's this hope that the Vatican is going to go in a different

01:03:28.480 direction with time. And I think what they fundamentally are ignoring is the history of

01:03:33.540 how the Vatican got here. The Vatican didn't get to this position because the Vatican did a turnaround

01:03:38.980 turnaround and, and now has a different ideology. They did a turnaround. The Vatican has been pro

01:03:44.860 immigration since like forever, right? Like this isn't a new thing in the Vatican. The Vatican has

01:03:51.000 been pro racial integration since forever. The Vatican has been the, you know, anti, well, a Trump style

01:03:58.180 nationalism forever. They've been anti-capitalism forever, right? Basically there's a faction of Catholics

01:04:06.820 in the US that have left whatever Catholics historically believed and expect the Vatican

01:04:15.280 to leave this wisdom. It's not really, and it's not to say that the Vatican hasn't been captured by

01:04:20.560 the Jesuits and they haven't transformed the nature of the institution through this capture. It's not to

01:04:26.180 say that they aren't actively basically cheating in elections. We might do a whole thing in how the

01:04:31.860 Jesuits sort of cheat and papal elections. Oh, really? That sounds interesting. They've done some shady stuff.

01:04:38.180 It was within the rules, but it was like against the spirit of the rules. But what I'm saying here is of like,

01:04:43.700 if you believe that they're cheating, then you've lost apostolic succession because the bureaucracy is no

01:04:48.040 longer functioning as intended, right? Like this is, this is where I, I don't know, it just gets to me here, but to

01:04:53.840 continue here. If we go further here on Trump's deportations, you have a direct quote in Francis' letter,

01:05:02.060 the rightly formed conscious cannot fail to express its disagreement with any measure that identifies the

01:05:07.780 illegal status of some migrants with criminality. Deportations damage the dignity of those people and places,

01:05:15.280 them in vulnerable and defenseless positions. So I'll note here, I shorten that quote, like I paraphrase parts of it,

01:05:21.980 but specifically he says that you can't. So if you're a Catholic in the United States,

01:05:27.980 and I know that you only have to obey the Pope when he does things from like a papal bull or it's

01:05:32.100 done within a council, but you are in direct rebellion to the Pope's will if you say something

01:05:38.740 like it is, we are deporting them because they broke the law, right? Like, like he is saying that you

01:05:44.680 cannot, to identify the illegal status of some migrants with criminality, that you can't do that.

01:05:50.780 You cannot define them as illegal for breaking the law, which is the core thing you need to be able

01:05:56.440 to do to make the justification for the deportations and everything like that. And I note here, one of

01:06:02.660 the things to remember with the Vatican, which is another reason why it's incredibly foolish to attempt

01:06:06.800 to ally with them, is it's not just that Catholics have an incredibly low fertility rate all over the

01:06:14.000 earth right now, you know, because we've talked about low Catholic fertility rates in whatever country,

01:06:17.780 whether it's in Southern Europe or whether it's in Latin America or whether it's what the quote

01:06:22.120 unquote white Catholics was in the United States. They also have an incredibly low population in

01:06:27.100 their, their region of, of like the cultural center, right? Specifically Italy, Italy has a

01:06:32.900 fertility rate of like 1.18 right now and it's continuing to crash. So for every hundred Italians,

01:06:37.100 there's only going to be 20 great grandchildren. So if this continues to crash and partially on

01:06:42.240 beheadst of the Vatican, Italy is accepting tons of migrants, which have a higher fertility rate,

01:06:47.240 the Vatican itself is going to be in a hostile sea, a sea of individuals who may not agree with

01:06:57.020 its policies. And that puts the rest of the Vatican, like the Catholic community in an incredibly

01:07:02.840 dangerous position, globally speaking, because you don't know if the Vatican's being influenced or not,

01:07:08.740 right? Like, I mean, in a way right now that the Vatican's in a sea of urban monoculture and is

01:07:12.960 certainly being influenced by that. What happens when it's in a sea of Islamists, right? You've

01:07:17.400 already seen how much the Catholic church has moderated its view on Islam. And even, you know,

01:07:24.140 we, we also see this from Nick Fuentes because of, you know, that's the way it's getting his

01:07:27.900 marching orders from where he'll often take positions that seem actively directed towards

01:07:34.160 empowering Islamist organizations and factions. If he can use that to achieve for, in his case,

01:07:41.340 negative conditions for the Jews, but in the Vatican's case, and no, he'll be here, he'll be

01:07:46.440 like, Oh, well, we just, we, the only reason we don't want Iran to get a nuke is because they'll use

01:07:50.540 it on Israel. And it's like, no, we don't want them to have a nuke because after Israel, they use it on us.

01:07:54.820 Right? Like if you are willing to allow Iran to get a nuke, just to spite Israel, you have put the

01:08:00.000 United States in an incredibly worse diplomatic position. This is what I mean when I'm like,

01:08:04.180 he's willing to throw the United States under the bus if he can spite Israel. That campaign was

01:08:09.920 incredibly cheap for us, by the way. And we paid very little in terms of diplomatic cost for doing

01:08:16.280 that with Israel. And Israel also helped us a lot with that. Right? So that was one of our major

01:08:20.720 objectives for a long time as well. It's like, he thinks that the only reason these countries have a

01:08:25.360 beef with us is because we support Israel when it's like, no, they, they want global Sharia law

01:08:31.140 in the same way you want to globally convert everyone to Catholicism one day. Right? Like

01:08:34.500 they, they actually are antagonistic, but the Catholic Vatican, when they're trying to promote

01:08:40.560 Islamist agendas or create sort of interfaith dialogue there, what's funny is that like interfaith

01:08:48.080 dialogue doesn't seem to really exist. I heard somebody say this to me and they're like, it's so

01:08:50.960 true. When you have a bunch of preachers doing interfaith dialogue, they're typically all urban

01:08:54.540 monoculture and they're not actually like strong. Oh, so it's monofaith dialogue with different

01:08:59.960 costumes. But, but the reason why they're doing this is I think smartly. So is they know that

01:09:04.440 they're not maybe eventually that they're going to be in a Muslim majority region and they're going

01:09:10.400 to need to deal with that. Right? Like they're going to need to appease their, their new rulers

01:09:16.260 and really the only force that could possibly prevent this, they're making, well, Nick Fuentes

01:09:23.240 is making an enemy of, which again, yeah, the Catholic church now is basically, ah, I've

01:09:27.580 got the vampires. We're, we're, we're pro vampire actually. But I want to now talk about the Catholic

01:09:35.200 revolutions in Latin America. Oh, by the way, fun side note. Did you know that one of the Lincoln

01:09:39.460 assassins hit at the Vatican and there is a common myth that the Vatican helped him hide, but it

01:09:43.600 actually didn't. Oh really? Yeah. Yeah. So just fun historical side note here. Lincoln assassin,

01:09:48.320 John Wilkes Booth at Fort Cedar and Mary Surratt, devout Catholic boarding house owner convicted

01:09:53.460 as co-conspirator and hanged on July 7th. John Stewart Jr., a Confederate fly fled to Canada,

01:10:00.240 hidden by Catholic priests. So he was actually hidden by the larger Catholic bureaucracy at first,

01:10:04.240 because remember for most of us history, the U S and the Catholic church were not like now the

01:10:10.920 Vatican is sort of like, Hey, we hate the U S and, and the U S is like, well, we are going to try to

01:10:16.780 get along with everyone. But back then it was more like, Oh yeah, we hate you too. Don't send any

01:10:22.860 Catholics. But anyway, so, so he was sheltered in Liverpool at a Catholic church. And then December

01:10:29.540 1865, he arrives in Rome and he enlists in Pope Pius the ninth papal swabs of volunteer army defending

01:10:37.760 the Vatican versus Italian unification. And, and his alias was John Watson. And then he was spotted by a

01:10:44.400 U N diplomat wild, by the way. Right. And the Vatican arrests him, but on the Pope's orders.

01:10:50.360 And then he was extradited to the United States where he was actually had the charges dropped

01:10:56.120 at a mistrial.

01:10:57.700 No. Wow.

01:11:00.240 Fun, fun, historic tidbit there.

01:11:02.880 Well, he went through a wild ride.

01:11:05.480 Yeah. Okay. So let's, let's go through the Catholic, because this is what I said. The

01:11:10.880 consultant, the more broadly has largely been an anti-capitalist force. They've written

01:11:15.200 for like tracks against capitalism.

01:11:17.840 For examples of these, you could look to Pope Leo the 13th, 1891, in in neculal, uh, renum

01:11:26.000 novarum, which was specifically an anti-capitalist sort of scree. And then we have more recently,

01:11:33.520 uh, Pope Francis, who he's gone on screes about the idolatry of money. And in these 2020

01:11:42.760 and encyclical, I don't know these, these foreign words, if titled Fratuli Tututi, Francis

01:11:51.720 expanded on these ideas, lamenting how market capitalism fails to promote fraternity or resolve

01:11:57.940 problems like poverty and hunger. And I note here that the church has every right to be

01:12:03.560 anti-capitalist. It aligns with their historic positions. It aligns with their larger value

01:12:09.080 systems. Capitalism has not worked out particularly well in, uh, Catholic majority countries. Uh,

01:12:16.240 so what, why shouldn't they be allowed to have this view? But I can also admit when it is,

01:12:23.360 you know, in, in conflict with my interests, my views, and my people's way of life, because when

01:12:30.460 capitalism has been tried in Protestant countries, it typically works out pretty well. What I don't

01:12:35.180 like is when people basically try to launder what the larger Vatican agenda is and pretend that it

01:12:43.620 doesn't have a agenda that is in contrast with capitalism, freedom of speech. Well, I suppose Nick

01:12:50.940 Fuentes would even admit he doesn't really want freedom of speech either. He doesn't particularly

01:12:54.880 want freedom of ideas either. He just wants it controlled by his faction. They're not pro-atheist

01:13:00.940 communism, but there have been large, especially within the Jesuit order, active organizations of

01:13:05.900 socialist and communist revolutions. So we have Nicaragua, 1979 revolution. We have Fernando

01:13:12.160 Conardo, who is a Jesuit. So they recruited Catholics to FSLN guerrillas, taught Marxism as Christian

01:13:19.900 in base communities, supplied food and ammo, priests join Sadanistra government, culture foreign

01:13:26.320 ministers, although the Pope did put a ban on this. So, so this was the case in which the Pope was

01:13:32.500 like, okay, you guys need to stop this, please. But anyway, the Sardinistas incorporated, quote,

01:13:37.900 political capitalism, end quote, using churches as organizing cells, e.g. the Paris replaced linen cell.

01:13:43.900 One leader, this was a quote that they talked about here within this order. One leader, Miguel de

01:13:49.780 Escarto, was a MacNolan priest. Liberation theology justified the armored overthrow of Samoa's

01:13:56.780 government. Post-revolution hymns praised, quote, worker Christ alongside Cedino and Che Guevara.

01:14:03.600 Direct quote, Carlos Fornisca, FSLN founder, Sardinismo is deeply rooted in Christianity as an extension

01:14:11.740 of Catholicism. Churches distributed Virgin Mary icons with Sardinista portraits. Columbia, 1965 to

01:14:19.440 66. Camilo Torres left the priesthood to join the ELN guerrillas and said, quote, Jesus equals

01:14:27.420 guerrilla. ELN ideology mixes Marxism-Leninism with Catholic martyrdom, e.g. no drug trade due to Catholic

01:14:34.940 morals. Then El Salvador, 1980 to 1992, civil war. Ignacio Elisario and the UCA Jesuits were the,

01:14:44.780 quote, unquote, brains behind the FMLN per army. And they ran, quote, liberation zones, end quote.

01:14:52.120 By the way, it led to 75,000 people dead. So these weren't like small things. Guatemala, 1960s to 96,

01:14:57.920 multiple Jesuit URNG guerrillas organized peasant-based communities into fighters and then

01:15:05.220 had a genocide with 200,000 people dead. Chile, Christians for Socialism and Ada, 1970 to 1973,

01:15:13.260 80-plus priests formed the group of 80 supporting Salvador Aleda's socialist government, quote,

01:15:19.220 Christians for Socialism, 1971. Allied with communists, seeing socialism as gospel fulfillment,

01:15:24.720 Pinchett's 1973 coup targeted them, quote, we declare our option for socialism as a way to

01:15:31.560 build the kingdom of God. No, okay. I mean, but is this just, these are examples of the Catholic

01:15:36.740 Church supporting socialist political movements? Surely there are also examples that I could

01:15:42.420 cherry pick of the Catholic Church supporting broadly capitalist leaders. Yeah, the Catholic Church

01:15:49.200 has done, and I can pull this up in post, they've written like tracks specifically attacking

01:15:53.440 capitalism. Oh. They've written, now, now they would say that what they are attacking is the more

01:15:59.820 like, like materialistic form of capitalism, which I would also, but they, they, they certainly don't

01:16:05.740 follow Puritan capitalism, which is, you know, I think the true and correct way of practicing

01:16:09.280 capitalism, which is capitalism without charity and without luxury. You can see. That's true, yeah.

01:16:15.320 Charity is big. And, and, and they, but they have also written tracks condemning communism,

01:16:21.200 just, just to be aware, even though sometimes, you know, communists spin out. And I note here when

01:16:26.180 people are like, oh, well, this or that communist leader was Jewish, true, but they do something that

01:16:33.940 the Catholics don't do, typically, if the communist leaders have Jewish backgrounds, which is they then

01:16:37.700 go around and try to kill Jews. And so they're obviously not, you know, fighting for a Jewish agenda.

01:16:43.360 Like when, when, you know, the communists came to power in Russia, the Jews were one of the first

01:16:49.440 on their list of, you know, they don't like when some groups out-compete other groups and the Jews

01:16:55.100 are out-competing a group, which is one of the reasons why they were, I actually point out here,

01:16:58.480 there was analysis done. We talk about this in another episode, but if you look at the amount

01:17:01.960 that Jews disproportionately get into politics, so if you look in the United States, obviously like

01:17:06.600 Jews are disproportionately win at politics and get into politics. And you look at this cross-country,

01:17:12.280 so you can find like an average disproportionate Jewish amount in politics. And then you look at

01:17:17.020 communist governments, specifically like communist Russia, Jews, when contrasted with their portion of

01:17:22.700 the population and their typical over-representation within politics are actually represented at a much

01:17:27.280 lower rate than you would expect. So even though they're over-represented versus the population,

01:17:31.540 they are under-represented when contrasted with, and I note here, like Marx wrote entire tracks about

01:17:39.200 how we needed to get rid of all the Jews. I forgot the name of the track, but it was pretty explicit.

01:17:43.940 Like it was in the title. Yeah. Oh, I'll, I'll look it up. Cause I, this will surprise you.

01:17:48.560 Okay. It was called on the Jewish question. Oh boy. Okay. Or fine. Okay.

01:17:55.960 He linked Judaism with hucksterism, an obsession with capitalism, commercialism, and money.

01:18:02.680 Well, not exactly shockingly unique.

01:18:04.720 Well, no, but what I'm saying is it's not exactly a friend to communism.

01:18:07.880 No, yeah.

01:18:09.520 Yeah.

01:18:11.280 So what I'm putting out here is, and why would they be? Sorry, it actually makes no sense that

01:18:16.500 Jews would want communism. I just want people to actually think through this for five seconds.

01:18:21.660 Ew. I don't know. Kibbutzim are pretty fricking.

01:18:25.460 Right. But they do that only with other Jews, which is hugely different, right? So consider that you

01:18:31.720 are a population living within a diverse spot. You can't try communism as it is theoretically

01:18:37.180 understood at a grand scale without some post-singularity society. Right. I understand

01:18:43.180 that. But even if communism quote unquote worked, Jewish people wouldn't want it. Why wouldn't they

01:18:51.080 want it? Okay. Think about this. Think about this. Okay. You are part of a group that whenever you're

01:18:56.360 in a capitalist country, whether it's Australia or the United States or Germany, you end up much

01:19:01.100 wealthier and was much more power than other groups. The very last thing you would want is

01:19:07.240 wealth redistribution. Okay. Like, especially if you're thinking intergenerationally. Now we do

01:19:13.020 point out, oh, well, what about the kids of rich families? Why are they more likely to become

01:19:17.300 communist? This is different. These kids aren't thinking intergenerationally in the way that somebody

01:19:23.440 trying to plot out like a Jewish control of society. Jews are always intrinsically going to have more

01:19:28.560 control within a capitalist system, which means if you favor capitalism, you also have an intrinsic

01:19:33.940 parallelism of interest with Jewish organizations and with Jewish forces. And you are going to be

01:19:40.260 much more to have a direct conflict of interest with Catholic forces. Because again, Catholics have

01:19:46.040 historically promoted socialism and, and immigration waves and mass sort of charity organizations and stuff

01:19:54.560 like that. But anyway, thoughts, Simone? Just, wow. This has been a lot, but I also, it's not necessarily

01:20:05.580 updating my views that much on Catholicism because the Catholics with, with whom we interact are so

01:20:11.980 divorced from all this. Right. They are divorced from it. And I think that that can lead us to forget

01:20:17.360 that the Vatican has actively stated hostile intent to the United States, specifically the MAGA movement.

01:20:24.580 So you're just trying to say like, there is this group over here. Don't forget.

01:20:30.440 Well, what I'm trying to say is when you try to frame things along Nick Fuentes' lines, which is choose between

01:20:35.580 the Catholics and the Jews, right? What he's forgetting is the Catholics don't all think like him.

01:20:43.320 And the Catholics in power who have the final say in what the Catholics-

01:20:47.360 Because the official Catholics, yeah. Like if aliens arrived on earth and were like-

01:20:52.480 What do Catholics think? They're going to go to the Pope, right?

01:20:54.960 Yeah, that's right. That's right.

01:20:56.800 He's, he's, he's forgetting or covering up or trying to hide that in actuality, the Catholic

01:21:05.660 central bureaucracy is quite hostile to the United States in our interests.

01:21:09.220 And that we work with Catholics insofar as those Catholics aren't towing that line. And that when

01:21:18.380 he's like, well, you either need to like, and with Israel, while Israel has done some

01:21:22.540 D-bag moves in the past, they're ultimately as a population growing technologically productive

01:21:29.900 and economically productive group, a much smarter long-term ally.

01:21:34.600 Tactical ally. Yeah. That, that, that the, this view lacks pragmatism and that there's this very

01:21:42.240 ideologically based objection to Israel when Israel should be looked at as a tactical ally rather than

01:21:53.740 an ideological partner.

01:21:55.660 Yes. As I said, it's like partnering with the dwarves, right? Like they got their whole

01:22:01.100 own thing going on. Okay. You don't need to just don't get in the book of grudges. Okay.

01:22:05.900 And that's what I was reading that line. I was like, it's so Catholic. That's why I always put the

01:22:08.800 Catholic at the elves, right? Because, you know, very, everything's covered in gold. Everything's,

01:22:14.220 you know, ordained, ordinated, everything.

01:22:16.900 Best outfits.

01:22:17.300 You know, when they're doing their speeches, they make them like super long and academic

01:22:21.580 and florid. And you're just like, oh my God. And the, and the ceremonies, ceremonies for

01:22:27.400 everything, you know, you've got the, like with the elves, it'll be like the autumn, whatever

01:22:31.140 ceremony, the ceremony of whatever leaves. And with the Catholic, they got the ceremony for

01:22:36.360 this and the ceremony for that. And I guess if we're putting ourselves at the fantasy race,

01:22:39.580 what are we gnomes? You know, typically seen as technologically obsessed and otherwise

01:22:45.080 pragmatic and overly excitable and happy. I think that that works. Not, not very interested

01:22:51.080 in, in money, like the, the dwarves are, or, or over ornamentation.

01:22:56.240 Or Tolkien orcs that are just, you know, elves tortured to a point of abstraction, transhuman,

01:23:03.900 extremely strong and very industrious.

01:23:06.200 No.

01:23:06.480 I don't know. Like, I just, we all know who the orcs are and it's not black people, by the

01:23:11.680 way.

01:23:12.280 It was supposed to be Mongolians, right?

01:23:13.640 Well, we're talking, I'm talking in my analogy, not in Tolkien's analogy.

01:23:20.100 Okay.

01:23:20.440 They are, who are, who are they in your analogy? I don't know.

01:23:22.840 Look, we don't, we don't need to go through this. Nobody wants you to, to, what I'm saying

01:23:28.000 is, is that the, the orcs don't much like the gnomes existing. They don't much like the

01:23:35.780 elves existing and they don't much like the dwarves existing. And we have a reason to work

01:23:41.740 together. And that's what I would ultimately push for is to not say, choose the, choose

01:23:47.080 the dwarves over the elves. It's to say that the elves need to get over their anti-dwarf

01:23:52.480 thing so that we can all work together. Because if you say, if anyone's out there saying, hey,

01:23:57.520 you can't choose one of these factions as one of your allies. And this is of course where

01:24:02.820 the modern conservative movement is. Like, Catholics are a vast minority within the United

01:24:07.020 States population. They're around 20% and rapidly shrinking. As we said, they're shrinking in terms

01:24:12.080 of deconversions and in terms of fertility rates. And so like they need to form alliances

01:24:19.700 with other groups for this to work. And we need to accept that we're going to have differences

01:24:23.620 in perspectives, but that we are different. What I really hate that Nick Fuentes does is

01:24:28.700 he pretends like Catholics and Protestants are like some shared identity. And I find that to

01:24:34.040 be really like gaslighting and weird because they aren't, they are, you literally burned my actual

01:24:41.380 direct ancestors alive. Like we, we actually have like a book of martyr on like the shelf of every

01:24:48.440 restroom in our house, you know, it's like reading for our kids as they grow up, right? Like these are

01:24:53.480 things you, these, these, these are not the same people. The Jews didn't do that to my ancestors.

01:24:59.620 Okay. Like there's a reason there's suspicion here. Anyway.

01:25:05.440 There you have it. Oh my God. Thank you. This has been interesting, edifying.

01:25:16.040 No, but I think, I think we can all get along while still admitting, like, I may not like some

01:25:20.320 elfy things and I may not like some, we've done some episodes that we've gotten a lot of, oh,

01:25:24.320 that's anti-Semitic. I might not like some dwarf-y things, but I can still work with them and see the

01:25:29.380 benefits of working together. Yeah, totally. You know, we're pro-pluralism and it's not going to

01:25:36.600 change. That's all there is to it. I mean, I think they're both wool too. So.

01:25:45.480 She's angry for matching these days. Hey, I love it. I got to have a

01:25:48.980 caped wife epaulette. It's got to go for the real fascist look, you know, got to scare the, uh.

01:25:55.120 I used to be like fascist, but like World War II and now we're like fascist, but like

01:26:02.020 Prussian war maybe. It's giving, giving kind of Bismarck era. Can't believe that name pulled so

01:26:13.020 poorly when we thought about naming one of our kids Bismarck. Yeah, you're going to name one of

01:26:15.860 our kids Bismarck and just people did not like it. Yeah. Also did not like Texana, which was one of the

01:26:20.220 names we're going to choose. And that's where Tex came from. Yeah. Maybe just Tex pulls better.

01:26:26.540 All right. Attack. I don't want to see any survivors.

01:26:34.900 Take him down.

01:26:36.000 Now.

01:26:54.260 I'm going to die.

01:26:58.820 Okay.

01:27:01.340 You want me to come in and attack you?

Based Camp - November 04, 2025

Nick Fuentes： Catholics Or Jews ... USA Must Choose

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