Based Camp - No Evolutionary Benefit： So Why Do Girls Like BL⧸Yaoi⧸Gay Romance？

00:00:00.000 maybe the red pillars are right maybe women can't love maybe women are incapable of love

00:00:04.720 and also women know it too and that's why they like to watch men love each other because they

00:00:09.360 love to observe these strange creatures who are capable of love oh my god that is the most based

00:00:16.960 that's going at the front of the video that is that is i had never considered this before right

00:00:23.360 and i think you might be right go woke go broke has one massive exception and it's when the

00:00:30.400 wokeness is for a leering non-woke audience that just wants to thirst when you are objectifying

00:00:37.040 the person yeah when you yes when you are objectifying would you like to know more

00:00:41.520 hello malcolm i'm excited to be speaking with you today because gay men on ice are trending

00:00:47.920 and uh you're on ice that anime we we watched like two episodes of it or something about gay men on

00:00:54.640 ice it's yeah but they're figure skaters and today we're talking about hockey skaters because literally

00:01:01.440 before 6 a.m this morning alone i heard about the show heated rivalry which features steamy

00:01:07.680 sex scenes between two hockey rivals four times two were from like youtubers and then

00:01:14.080 two were from friends why was everybody talking about this seems like a normal thing in media

00:01:18.800 these days why is no no no this is different this is different and also one of our one of our patrons

00:01:25.920 encouraged me to do an episode on this because it's trending that much and they're like what is going

00:01:29.840 on so they wrote why do street women love to lust after gay men because that's the thing people are

00:01:35.120 talking about they're not talking about the show per se they're talking about

00:01:39.040 the women posting tick tock reactions to it and edits of it and like this is women fangirling over

00:01:45.200 it so this person wrote there seems to be a current cultural fascination with these gay hockey players

00:01:51.520 and the video i shared by brett cooper delves into the current craze because she did this whole thing on

00:01:55.920 it this has always baffled me because the obvious incompatibility but this is long been a cultural

00:02:01.600 stereotype it doesn't seem to be a new cultural phenomenon but i don't know how timeless it is

00:02:06.000 either because it's definitely intercultural i'm also personally interested in this topic given

00:02:12.080 that a lot of girls growing up told me things like i wish you were gay or you have to be gay

00:02:17.840 i even had a group of four female friends i had make a plan to try to convince their parents i was

00:02:23.920 gay so we could all go together to a vacation house though nothing happened my condolences by the

00:02:28.960 way i'm just wondering and would love malcolm's input on the subject so we need your analysis malcolm

00:02:34.960 okay so let's let's dive in i'm going to tell you about heated rivalry because that's kind of

00:02:38.880 i need it for context for people so if you're a guy okay there is a major problem in sites like

00:02:46.480 pornhub with dei just flooding everything i swear about a third of the women on there are lesbians

00:02:54.640 are bi and that just cannot be true of the general population and of course i'm joking here the joke is

00:03:01.600 that of course men have a a preference for many men do for watching erotic content with lesbians in

00:03:10.720 it or with multiple women in it with one guy as to why so many guys have this preference it should be

00:03:16.400 fairly obvious from an evolutionary perspective there is no context in which you are watching

00:03:21.520 another man sleep with a woman unless something really bad is happening and you are not being cucked

00:03:28.720 right like this is not something that you should genetically like to see all right this should be

00:03:34.800 one of the most mortifying sites to you a man unless you're able to just totally dissociate or

00:03:42.560 somewhat gay actually i remember when i was in high school my roommate we're talking about corn at one

00:03:48.960 point and he was like you know describing what he liked and i was like oh i i never watch anything with

00:03:54.480 any men in it ever and he was very surprised by this and he's like really and i was like yeah

00:04:01.760 it's a it's a massive turn off to me to see a man to literally see myself being cucked somewhere in this

00:04:08.160 world because that's that you're watching a video you not having sex with someone that is that is what

00:04:14.000 that is and he just couldn't understand it anyway turned out he was super gay he didn't know it at the

00:04:19.600 time he just didn't know it he didn't fully know it at the time no but yeah he was he was gay so what

00:04:24.720 i'm pointing out is that i i that is why men have that preference right but with minutes with women

00:04:30.640 it's different okay with women we're dealing with a scenario where where women aren't really as oriented

00:04:39.840 to male or female primary and secondary sexual characteristics so much as they're oriented around

00:04:46.480 power dynamics like like genetically historically it's not that bad for them right like a lot of

00:04:51.280 women were you know there are certain periods of human history where 17 women bred for only one man

00:04:56.320 that bred that on average people had 17 what on average 17 wives right so women being okay with you

00:05:04.000 know the husband sleeping with one girl and then sleeping with them they were going to have more kids

00:05:08.560 than the ones who were like grossed out or icked out by that or whatever so it is weirder

00:05:14.560 that women seem to have a pretty strong now we pointed out in the pragmatist guide to sexuality

00:05:19.840 when we did a big study on this it was the the first really big study ever done on this in this

00:05:24.000 way and what we showed is that if you count erotic novels as the same as porn that women consume exactly

00:05:33.920 as much pornography as men do and there's this assumption that women consume a lot less pornography

00:05:39.360 than men do because these studies were all created by men originally and they did not consider

00:05:44.160 something like 50 shades of gray or twilight pornography yeah or or you know i think that

00:05:51.520 i'd also put in there things like a handmaid's tale but you please please don't force breed me

00:05:57.360 in front of a bunch of high status women but anyway i mean from a genetic perspective that's exactly what

00:06:04.080 a woman would want right like a scenario like that where basically they are cucking this high status

00:06:11.840 woman yeah they are actually technically speaking with them and then raising them as high status kids

00:06:19.600 yeah like that is mortifying that it's sorry that is that that is exactly what genetically you're

00:06:27.600 you're coded to want to happen to you it's like a perfect and we've done an episode on it go see it

00:06:31.680 if you want to but the point i'm making here is if you know girls like if you hang out with like

00:06:37.680 girl nerd culture which is something that you know i have done a lot growing up i was a very nerdy guy

00:06:45.120 and one thing you will learn about girl nerd nerd culture is that things like yaoi are really really

00:06:53.440 common we're going to talk about that yeah so but what i'm saying is like this isn't new right like

00:06:58.560 this has been around since forever we're going to talk about the history and but it goes beyond that

00:07:03.920 because there is this trope of the the gay best friend for women there's not the lesbian guest best

00:07:10.640 friend for men there's not enough lesbians i don't think there would i could have a lesbian best

00:07:16.880 friend i probably would but no you wouldn't you wouldn't no no don't lie but yeah like so it's

00:07:25.120 anyway a lot of people are talking about it now though because of heated rivalry and you haven't even

00:07:28.880 heard of it before so i need to bring you up to speed on this this whirlwind hit of a show because

00:07:37.280 it is the thing these days so oh give me a moment

00:07:45.200 here we go

00:07:50.240 give me a moment

00:07:55.520 okay so heated rivalry is a canadian sports romance series that completely exploded out unexpectedly

00:08:04.080 into a massive cultural phenomenon since its premiere in november of last year so it's just

00:08:10.080 three months old basically in terms of american audiences it is an adaptation of rachel reed's

00:08:16.640 game changers book series which was drawing from the novel heated romance that's why it's called heated

00:08:23.120 romance so this like with 50 shades of gray this is a book to you know show jump and it was originally

00:08:32.000 created for a canadian streaming service called crave which makes sense because i mean canadians

00:08:36.320 and hockey like okay checks out fine but it's like made for some small streaming service in canada about

00:08:43.920 gay hockey players you you wouldn't think it was going to become big and the hbo execs who licensed it

00:08:51.440 for basically streaming in in the us and elsewhere totally didn't expect this to become a thing they

00:08:58.000 didn't really promote it they just put it up and we're like yeah fine this you know we got to

00:09:02.800 diversify our portfolio or whatever and it just somehow went out of control into i mean it shouldn't

00:09:10.720 be surprising we're going to go into that but it became a global breakout the show follows two elite

00:09:15.520 closeted professional hockey players shane hollander and ilia rosanov who are fierce on the ice rivals but

00:09:22.240 develop an intense secret romantic and sexual relationship it features explicit steamy scenes

00:09:28.800 i have not watched any of them i i don't really want to but it has been called one of the biggest

00:09:33.920 surprises on tv it even hbo execs who really vouch for it to be brought on are surprised it did so well

00:09:43.280 and people think that it would have gotten canceled in its first season like they were sure it wasn't

00:09:51.520 going to get renewed or anything but as of december it has gotten a second season that's one of the

00:09:56.560 reasons why it's trending right now as people are excited it's getting a second season filming is going

00:10:00.640 to begin in the summer of this year but specifically the reason this went crazy is because of just intense

00:10:08.720 word of mouth fangirling primarily from women who are making all these tick tock cuts of it who are

00:10:16.400 talking about on social media how it's changed their lives and how they just can't get over it and

00:10:21.840 there are all these thirst posts about it and it's really become a social phenomenon even in russia where

00:10:28.800 it's banned because as we've discussed in other episodes you can't have same-sex content and now you

00:10:37.200 can't have anti-natalist content or dig content in russia so the fact that this is trending even in russia

00:10:44.640 that people can't get enough of it shows how hard it is especially for women to resist male-on-male

00:10:50.320 romance and in general apparently the show is actually really good it has a 98 on rotten tomatoes

00:10:57.120 and apparently it's really well cast and written and the chemistry is really strong between the

00:11:02.400 the male leads who have this romance and then there's just this massive online community with people

00:11:08.800 making viral clips and there are even fan events like there was even a fan event in the philippines

00:11:13.440 so this isn't just russia this isn't just the united states or canada this is literally a global

00:11:18.320 phenomenon but what's interesting about this is people found out the secret right yeah when you

00:11:25.680 they kept putting gay people in everything and nobody wanted to watch it because they put gay people in

00:11:31.280 stuff but the audience for it was gay people if you want to put hot lesbians and stuff guys aren't

00:11:38.480 going to complain about that we know that's the thing is is you go woke go broke has one massive

00:11:44.640 exception and it's when the wokeness is for a leering non-woke audience that just wants to thirst

00:11:52.000 when you are objectifying the person yeah when you yes when when you are objectifying yeah like you have

00:11:57.440 to meet to the woke people and then and then it's great when they're being exploited when they're being

00:12:03.280 leered at when people are fapping over you know them then then it's then it's gonna totally make

00:12:08.240 money it's not even about fapping like i don't think that many women are like fapping over this

00:12:11.840 and there's a lot of stuff that guys like where you have sexy women and people aren't actually fapping

00:12:17.600 over it right like they aren't no the the the the you didn't need to be able to fap to like the original

00:12:24.880 laura croft to prefer looking at an attractive woman as your avatar over a man as your avatar and this

00:12:32.960 is the thing today everyone is all like oh all the main characters are women blah blah blah blah blah

00:12:37.920 i think that we you know broadly on the right really need to recategorize how we're saying this

00:12:42.720 no one had a problem with stellar blades main character being a woman in fact we loved it until

00:12:48.160 they decided to start censoring it you know the the the problem is is that they are ugly women that

00:12:53.920 are meant to be non-threatening to the studio people who are putting these in we need to not it's

00:13:00.000 not that we are against women being being in our video games or they just need to be hot yeah we

00:13:09.280 just we're not against no same-sex relationships they just want to be hot actually you know what a

00:13:15.200 really good point though about a lot of the same-sex couples no hold on the same-sex couples that are in

00:13:20.400 the go broke go broke like disney movies and stuff is it they one aren't hot and two it's all about like

00:13:26.720 interpersonal conflict and my feelings and our struggles and no one wants to watch that they

00:13:32.000 the point i'm making is they don't need to be hot they need to be objectified that is even more

00:13:38.960 important than being hot right like the oh my struggles and stuff that's not objectifying them

00:13:46.720 right like they're humanizing oh so you need to dehumanize them that's not accurate though because no

00:13:51.840 i didn't say you need to dehumanize them you need to objectify them so if you look at something like

00:13:57.280 let's take tomb raider laura croft by the right yeah if you watch the way laura croft runs or jumps at a

00:14:05.200 ledge or oh so basically you need fan service it's no but she does it in a way that is objectified

00:14:21.840 right if you look at the new laura croft games which did pretty well and i quite like the laura

00:14:25.760 croft reboots what is the number one thing that we are doing to laura croft in those games

00:14:30.960 we are putting her in horrible situations where she is getting horrifyingly injured or beaten

00:14:36.480 that is that is what is constantly happening to her and she is never whining about it okay

00:14:42.400 the death animations are over the top and i have never seen death animations like that

00:14:56.240 they're they're literally like above mortal combat level death animation are you serious because the

00:15:02.080 mortal combat ones just look over the top and gruesome and these look very realistic oh no

00:15:07.200 like you know like getting caught in a river and then a stake goes through her her chin and

00:15:14.160 up through the side of her head oh gosh wow a fast river while hitting a bunch of rocks so it's over

00:15:22.000 the top but what i'm saying is that is objectifying the individual right like well i can't i haven't

00:15:27.440 watched okay hold on let's go back the character who everyone always says is like oh men like strong

00:15:33.120 female leads blah blah strong female leads are okay is ridley from aliens right ripley ripley ripley

00:15:41.120 from aliens so ripley is actually a fairly objectified character throughout the alien series

00:15:48.880 so okay what what is it that has happened to her what what happened to her she was forcibly impregnated

00:15:58.320 with an alien that was put inside her without her consent no she wasn't one of her crewmates was

00:16:05.040 she was in number two the one that did really well she was yeah that's her whole thing and then she

00:16:10.960 takes on like a mother role in like number three or four or something to one of the number that was

00:16:16.480 created from her dna so not only is is she in in most of them she's either taking on a motherly role

00:16:23.680 like there's the one that had like the ghostly version it was the last like decent one made

00:16:31.360 i remember one with a little girl hiding in the ventilation and i weren't yeah that was the first

00:16:35.120 one and she wasn't forcibly but even in that one if you look at the role that she takes on

00:16:40.320 it is very much an objectified girl boss road role very much like if you're gonna say like what's an

00:16:47.360 example of a guy taking on an objectified masculine role i'd say blade is a very good example of a guy

00:16:54.480 taking on an objectified masculine role it's not a realistic masculine role it's a role that is over

00:17:02.000 the top to the point of being fetishized okay i think i may follow you but i'm not i don't actually

00:17:10.880 think that this show does that i mean it's really known for having just amazing direction and character

00:17:17.760 development you're forgetting you're looking at this totally through the male gaze and you're not

00:17:23.600 thinking about the female gaze on the male gaze aka the men who love each other you are thinking about

00:17:30.720 this as a man looking at women you are not thinking about this as the way that women look at men and

00:17:35.360 totally the thing that women like isn't i mean yeah the bodies look good but they're there for the

00:17:44.800 romantic tension that's what yaoi is all about that's what heated rivalry is all about and so i i i

00:17:54.000 appreciate your explanation of how men look at this when they're looking at female characters but the

00:18:00.960 thing that drives female interest in male romance is is different it's a different dynamic that you

00:18:08.800 do not understand no hold on actually i'm gonna i'm gonna push back you're gonna explain to me how

00:18:15.600 women consume gay content i watch enough anime that there have been seasons when i run out of anime that

00:18:23.840 is not yaoi and so i say okay i'll try whatever the the it has an interesting premise okay there's this

00:18:30.240 scandal right now where people are pretending like mr beast is a fake anime tourist or fake fan and i

00:18:36.880 am glad that if i ever get as famous as mr beast and i am promoting anime products no one will be able

00:18:44.720 to say that about me you only watched two episodes of yuri on ice i watched other ones to the end okay

00:18:51.920 that were like sci-fi and i was more interested in i'm i'm not like reflexively against it because

00:18:57.360 first of all you've got to keep in mind if you're like watching this and you're like what what does

00:19:00.800 he mean like does this stuff have sex in it usually actually never have i seen it have sex in it yeah

00:19:05.040 this is this is just like for girls with a lot of yaoi stuff it's just like suggestive stuff and then

00:19:11.040 you've got some sci-fi story happening in the background anyway the point i'm making is they do not

00:19:16.160 form relationships that are like real relationships the relationships that they form think about you

00:19:23.680 you say you've read yaoi before does this is the type of relationship that the two men form does it

00:19:29.440 look like the type of romance you see between a man and a woman in a manga no no it doesn't it's

00:19:34.880 completely objectified it is what and and actually there's a even like a thing online like a trend of

00:19:40.880 this where gay men watch or read yaoi and then react laughingly at the at the way that women

00:19:49.120 portray gay male relationships oh just tell like this is not how it works at all yeah like this is

00:19:56.000 not how it works at all and it's not it's really not because i when i have sleepless nights and i

00:20:04.240 get curious and i just don't i'm too stressed and i want to like forget who i am

00:20:09.840 i go to all the nsfw subreddit so i know i know all the fetishes i know all the weird stuff that

00:20:14.720 people consume and therefore i also have seen a lot of gay porn and i i've and i'm like you know

00:20:19.360 we we've all like we we also have gay friends too no like it because like yeah yaoi is very

00:20:26.640 it's typically about like crushes turning into romantic tension turning into like these encounters

00:20:32.720 whereas like out out gay relationships as we know them are a lot more based and effective and

00:20:40.400 pragmatic i think the biggest differentiation that i see between the typical male romance as depicted in

00:20:48.000 yaoi and i think probably also in heated rivalry is that they're a lot more closeted and there's a lot

00:20:53.520 more tension and crushes and dancing around things whereas in in real life you're just getting basically

00:21:05.840 men being much more optimal partners for each other than women could ever be for men i don't know how

00:21:11.280 else to put it so i mean i point out to people that that this is very similar to if you like showed a

00:21:20.080 lesbian lesbian like poor mint for men lesbian corn mint for men they'd say this is nothing like what

00:21:26.320 actual lesbian sex is well yeah i mean also like just look at how morphologically different erotic

00:21:33.360 material online lesbians look from lesbians at trader joe's you know what i mean it's a different look

00:21:40.880 it's a very different look but it's it's lovely but i i think you're getting a better example of what

00:21:46.720 men would want to do to women or what women want men to do to them when they're in the opposite role

00:21:51.360 when you're watching this is why for example in real lesbian relationships using strap-ons is

00:21:57.440 incredibly rare that's just not used much in real lesbian sex but in lesbian porn it's incredibly

00:22:03.920 common because you want one of them to take on the the male role it's the same with the yaoi which

00:22:10.400 you're actually seeing is one of the men taking on a woman's role but we'll get into why as you go

00:22:15.120 further yeah so let's yeah but anyway i think it's really funny it's humorous to me that everyone's

00:22:21.200 shocked that heated rivalry is doing so well and that women are going crazy for it when like literally

00:22:28.000 we couldn't even have shows like sherlock without people completely and and and psychopathic people you

00:22:35.680 mean women yeah sorry without women obsessively pairing watson and sherlock in in fan fiction that we

00:22:43.920 we can't even have kids movies like the lorax without people literally shipping the onesler

00:22:52.480 against himself for for what what what do they call it oncest one cest they they like this is this is how

00:23:00.000 psychopathic women are in their need for for boys love there's only one character they're kind of into

00:23:05.440 it's okay we'll just double him and have him have him i don't know come on to himself it's it's it's

00:23:13.040 intense this this female instinct and so yeah i i want to i want to go into yaoi and boys love and

00:23:20.720 the history and the dynamics behind it because i think it's it's interesting and i also want to know

00:23:25.200 one thing about it and and you can tell me if you think this is wrong yeah it is it seems to be an

00:23:30.480 instinct that is stronger in younger women than older women i could see that maybe yeah i'll go

00:23:37.200 into why i think that is at the end but continue simon yeah okay perfect so yaoi i i don't know when

00:23:43.040 you first learned about yaoi i learned about it when i was in high school and my friends who let me all

00:23:48.880 their manga gave me yaoi manga and we all nerded out about it but it actually turns out i didn't know

00:23:55.200 this now it has a really long history and it can arguably look arguably go back to the first novel

00:24:00.160 i don't know if you've heard of the the tale of genji it's it's argued that that was history's first

00:24:06.880 novel because it was a story written in narrative form are you familiar with it at all no tell me

00:24:12.240 more well we talked about it i remember i read a bit of it and it just wasn't that impressive to me

00:24:16.320 but it's not but i mean what are you gonna do you know but like it's also so funny though that like

00:24:22.400 the world's first bromance is also one of the earliest stories now that i come to think of it

00:24:28.160 that you know the tale of gilgamesh we had enkidu and um was it was his name gilgamesh it was gilgamesh

00:24:33.760 and enkidu it was a total bromance boy's boy's love but anyway the first novel for sure had at least

00:24:40.160 a little bit it was it was it was by the japanese noble women murakashi shu shu shu shibiku

00:24:46.000 in the early 11th century and while it's not okay a dedicated boy's love novel there is one

00:24:54.880 episode in which genji and a beautiful boy named kogimi the younger brother of lady utsume oh

00:25:02.800 utsu eme kind of get together like he first tries to come on to lady utsu eme but then she

00:25:10.800 isn't that into him so he comforts himself in in bed or consoles himself in bed with with kogimi

00:25:18.720 so that implies that he's he's bi but i mean the the the rest of the tales focus on his romances

00:25:24.240 with women but there's still a moment i i feel like the author here maybe a fangirl a little bit

00:25:31.440 with some boy's love but yaoi as a genre didn't emerge until girls manga got big in the 1970s and

00:25:37.440 this japanese fan fiction culture emerged and i think fan fiction fiction culture correlates really

00:25:44.640 highly with the prevalence of boys love romance and i think this has to do with the fact that

00:25:51.680 women are really into it but mainstream society doesn't want to condone it so you're only going

00:25:56.960 to see it when women are unleashed and allowed to write things and as soon as they're allowed to

00:26:02.080 or as soon as is their secret writings become more public through weird market dynamics like the rise

00:26:07.760 of dojin chi which is just basically fan fiction but naked manga and in japan then then you get it

00:26:15.920 but boy boy romance was not necessarily pioneered by fan fiction there's this 1961 book by mari mori

00:26:25.840 called a lover's forest which is often cited as the first modern japanese novel focused on male

00:26:32.160 homosexual passion and it was written by a woman for women so this really falls well into the

00:26:37.600 category and it did influence later boys love and yaoi tropes like age gaps and aesthetic beauty and

00:26:43.200 tragedy and then later about a decade later in the early 1970s the year 24 group which was a collective

00:26:50.320 of influential manga artists that were born in the 24th year of the showa era pioneered shonen eye

00:26:57.360 which is translated to boys love the key figures created romantic and often very tragic stories

00:27:05.600 featuring very beautiful and very androgynous young men which you probably heard of as bishonen

00:27:11.360 in male-male relationships which were often influenced by european art and sort of made to be very foreign

00:27:18.640 maybe kind of to to get you out of japanese culture and mores but then the launch of a magazine called

00:27:24.320 june in 1978 was really something that skyrocketed the genre because it specialized in this kind of

00:27:33.440 content and formalized the genre but really the the fan fiction explosion in japan is what made yaoi

00:27:43.760 big there was this comic market called comiquette which was first held in 1975

00:27:50.000 where doujinshi fans were able to come together and kind of just all realize that they had these secret

00:27:56.400 fantasies and stories that they wrote that were boys love focused and this is where you start to

00:28:00.880 see the the word yaoi bandied about because you know before it's and even after like it's really been called

00:28:06.640 boys love mostly but i didn't know yaoi is a portmanteau coming from three three words really

00:28:13.440 so that yamanashi ochinashi and iminashi and this translates to no climax no point no meaning or sometimes

00:28:21.440 no peak no punchline and no meaning which gets to your point that there often really isn't like

00:28:28.560 much going on in these plots you know it's just sort of all like tension and vibes so i think you really

00:28:33.760 zero in on something meaningful there and it was i think people who created yaoi as fan fiction

00:28:42.560 have always been very self-deprecating and joking and ironic like they understand that what they create

00:28:47.680 is is smutty fluff and they they don't take themselves very seriously and they have fun with it

00:28:53.920 but you also totally see this in the heated rivalry posts that people are making now online they understand

00:29:02.560 that they're they're being kind of tittery and funny and that this is utterly unserious but they

00:29:08.000 also just love it and can't help themselves and i think that's really interesting and i mean basically

00:29:13.520 after the 1980s yaoi was here to stay but it kind of evolved more just broadly into boys love and it

00:29:18.800 went from being something that was primarily fan fiction or in really niche publications to stuff that

00:29:24.080 was just mainstream so by the time you get to like the 2010s you get to shows like the one we mentioned

00:29:33.120 yuri on ice which involves we didn't really explain what it was it's basically about this relationship

00:29:39.440 between the japanese figure skater yuri katsuki and his idol who's this russian figure skater champion

00:29:46.640 named victor nikiforov or i can't remember his last name i think it's nikiforov or something like that

00:29:52.640 and then this other other skater also called yuri like yuri yuri piletsky and basically the two yuris

00:30:01.680 compete in this grand figure skating grand prix and victor is the coach to the japanese yuri who has

00:30:09.040 a crush on him and it's like just the idol and it's just really sweet and it's really cute and it was

00:30:13.840 award-winning it did really well it only had i think 12 episodes or something and it ran maybe from like

00:30:20.640 2016 or something we didn't see it until like 2018 or something i think but yeah it was made a long time ago

00:30:29.120 but it was about mainstream which is why i thought it was a major it was a major anime and of course

00:30:35.200 it made it to like american streaming platforms so yeah but then i mean that's it's just so funny though

00:30:40.080 that some there's something about male love on ice that we just can't get enough of in fact i tried to see if the

00:30:48.640 the writer of the original heated rivalry book was inspired by yuri on ice because the timeline kind

00:30:55.040 of worked for me and the author and all the people also associated with the original creation of the

00:31:01.120 show cite tons of real world hockey rivalries and all sorts of other inspirations so it's not like they

00:31:07.680 don't talk about their inspiration but apparently this is just truly convergently evolved fetishization of

00:31:14.560 men on ice skates being into each other because they do not cite yuri on ice at all um and it

00:31:21.840 appears that they really have no they have no hat nods to each other like heated rivalry has doesn't do

00:31:27.360 anything to kind of hint at the fact that it was inspired by yuri on ice i mean yuri on ice is not

00:31:32.000 about rivalry it's about like mentorship and and close is it appears to be a different dynamic that

00:31:37.680 they're playing yeah yeah like the characters are made to look very vulnerable in yuri on ice

00:31:43.760 well the characters are are somewhat vulnerable and heated rivalry too but yeah i mean it's it would be

00:31:49.680 as if well i guess we didn't watch all of yuri on ice i don't know if the two yuris also kind of get

00:31:54.000 into each other but i think i mean at least as far as we saw into it it was only about the yeah this was

00:32:00.160 like trainer student dynamic or idol and fan dynamic instead i'm just not sure though so who knows but

00:32:08.400 we should point out that there was also this really the big first major wave of slash fiction did also

00:32:16.160 emerge around the 1670s at the same time in the united states so it's not like this is just a japanese

00:32:21.600 thing and as our our paid subscriber pointed out this this is kind of a cross-cultural thing this is not

00:32:28.000 limited to any particular subgroup do you know what the first really big popular pairing in a fictional

00:32:35.040 universe in zines in nerdy zines in the 1960s and yeah of course it was spock and kirk that's

00:32:44.000 the history of porn knows this one back and forth about the otp you gotta you gotta they must kiss

00:32:52.320 they must be together forever yes you're absolutely right so yes i'm this is this is something

00:32:57.840 again and i i really don't i don't think it's that this is a new instinct i just think that this was

00:33:03.280 the era in which fans were finally able to converge and share their dirty little secrets and that's how

00:33:10.720 it all came to be so many i think that that's that's interesting but let's answer the question why are

00:33:16.320 women into boys love and there are first i think the really obvious answer that everyone gives which is

00:33:22.640 that for women especially this is a a way to very safely explore their desires and kind of escape

00:33:31.680 the things that hold them back sexually while still really indulging so when they're watching

00:33:38.080 these romances and even when they get pretty steamy and explicit they can do so in a way that really

00:33:43.840 feels escapist and fun because they all of their insecurities are out of the picture they're not

00:33:50.720 thinking about well how do my boobs compare or like my thighs or like they also i think women feel a lot

00:33:57.600 of pressure to perform oh and men do too sexually and i think for both men and women same sex erotic

00:34:04.000 material it can be comforting or at least less disjointed because they don't feel the need or as much

00:34:12.640 prompting to think personally about their own performance they're just completely enjoying the i guess

00:34:20.240 eroticism or sexuality i'm gonna i'm gonna argue that this is what women often say yeah and they

00:34:27.920 actually mean something else when they say this tell me what you think they mean so if you watch or read

00:34:36.320 like books right you will see that if it was a real relationship as we have said already you would find

00:34:44.000 the situation quite comical often yeah like this is ridiculous okay yeah the reality is is that women

00:34:51.600 if they saw a woman being objectified in the way that one of the male partners typically is because one

00:34:58.960 of the things that's very common in yaoi tropes is one of the males needs to be saved he needs to be

00:35:06.160 rescued he's incredibly vulnerable he's incredibly unsure of himself and a lot of modern women if they saw a

00:35:13.680 woman acting like that the one who is in the the female role often they'd be like this is objectifying

00:35:20.160 this makes me uncomfortable like why is she why does she need to be saved why is she acting so

00:35:26.240 vulnerable that was the next thing on my list actually i was like you know it really helps that

00:35:30.400 when it's male male romance you get to avoid gender politics politics and gender wars and in an era

00:35:36.640 especially now when there's this increasing animosity and political divide between men and women

00:35:41.920 when it's just two men that is just totally removed from the picture men you don't have to think about

00:35:46.560 oh but men are the enemy men are the aggressor men are the like where was their consent like that just

00:35:51.920 has been removed from the lexicon of this scenario and people could just have fun again and i really

00:35:57.200 do think that's majorly underrated that's a really good point yeah yeah okay continue so some also argue

00:36:05.120 that there's an emotional depth thing going on that that male friendships and media often carry really

00:36:10.320 really intense bonds that women and just like to romanticize or eroticize and i find this theory

00:36:16.880 really interesting because a common theme that came up when i was really into red pill forums like around

00:36:23.840 we'll say like 20 between 2017 and 2019 it was often discussed that women are incapable of love this

00:36:31.680 was a really common statement and i didn't get it because i am a an autistic refrigerator mom who of course is

00:36:38.320 of course is incapable of love and also is incapable of imagining and all the other things

00:36:43.280 so i was like well i don't know maybe they maybe they can't maybe they can't it just seems odd to

00:36:47.120 say that one that all females can't love but then i hear i hear this theory and i'm like wait a second

00:36:54.080 maybe the red pillars are right maybe women can't love maybe women are incapable of love and also women

00:36:59.600 know it too and that's why they like to watch men love each other because they love to observe these

00:37:04.880 strange creatures who are capable of love oh my god that is the most based

00:37:11.040 that's going at the front of the video i that is that is i had never considered this before right

00:37:17.360 right and i think you might be right i think i'm thinking i'm on this we're aware of how sociopathic

00:37:23.040 women act a waltz a waltz and then this proves this proves it we finally found the proof to the

00:37:29.840 red pill theory that women are incapable of love which is the fact that when women want true romance

00:37:34.800 they watch two men loving each other yeah they're like they're like one of the when they see a woman

00:37:38.800 in it they're like one of these women has to be you know yeah they're like it's great she's in it for

00:37:42.320 money she's in it for money that this isn't yeah i i want real love she didn't just screw him i want

00:37:47.040 i want something that's true like i want true love i want to watch true love between two people it can only

00:37:52.000 happen between two men yeah yeah that's there's that there's of course the aesthetic appeal but

00:37:59.840 you know like women like looking at male bodies and it's the same with men wanting to watch lesbian

00:38:05.120 porn you just want to look at the you want to look at the body type you're attracted to you don't want

00:38:09.120 to look at your own again i don't think that that's the the reason why men like lesbian lesbian porn is

00:38:15.360 more like a deeper biological instinct because you don't want any other men in your like you really

00:38:20.400 don't want any other men anywhere near a woman who you want carrying your child right like i i've

00:38:27.520 here's the thing actually though i i have to say like having seen a lot of drawn and real just i've

00:38:33.440 seen all the porn in in male female porn even when it's made for women the men are disgusting

00:38:43.920 disgusting and their penises are disgusting i don't know what to tell you like who is watching

00:38:49.120 that stuff because like i don't know who i don't know who is either because it's gross and but also

00:38:53.600 even in hentai male bodies like in in hentai oriented around men it depends i mean i i've definitely

00:39:01.360 seen that in some and i always find it really weird when that's the case yeah what why are the men so

00:39:05.840 disgusting no but there's there's a type of like fetish that i guess is not that uncommon for like

00:39:12.560 older or ugly or fat men to be that shows up a lot in hentai but in but i don't know what it is i think

00:39:18.560 in live in live action corn for women the men are gross they they are not attractive maybe maybe they're

00:39:26.640 attractive to someone but they're not attractive to me and they also don't look like the the men that

00:39:32.000 women thirst after in fan fiction communities or like the men on the covers of romance books

00:39:37.120 or like the men who star okay i know it's movies for women they don't look like any of those they

00:39:42.240 don't look like i have a thesis on why this is the case simone because women like high value smart

00:39:48.000 and capable men and those men don't go to become porn stars okay i i have a thesis on this okay here is

00:39:54.240 the thesis it goes like this so you you've got somebody like me who's just so averse to the idea

00:39:59.120 of watching another guy have sex with a woman that i'm like what what that is the worst thing

00:40:03.760 in the world right okay but there's other guys who might be able to watch this happening but just

00:40:10.000 completely blot out from their minds the the man in the in the act uh it's just them and because

00:40:17.600 they're blotting out the man in their mind they're not focusing on the man at all malcolm i'm talking

00:40:23.040 about erotic material that was filmed and shot for female audiences what i'm saying is that in in

00:40:30.400 stuff for women the men don't look like the men cast in movies that women watch they don't look like

00:40:36.480 the men that women fantasize about in fan fiction they don't look like any of those and they also

00:40:41.200 don't look like popular men among women in in real life they look gross i guess i have not seen but when

00:40:49.600 you look at gay erotic material the men look fantastic so what's up with that and of course

00:40:57.280 you don't look at first you don't even look at live action erotic material because it's gross and

00:41:02.160 i get it because it is gross and you keep thinking of like this is someone's son this is someone's

00:41:06.560 daughter this is someone you know it's blah there's too much baggage but like even if you did you

00:41:12.240 wouldn't look at the stuff that's made for female audiences but i'm telling you it the men are

00:41:16.960 pulling it up right now pulling up the porn for women chick flicks subreddit i want to i want to

00:41:20.400 see what you're talking about you'll see exactly what i mean and i'm like what is going on but

00:41:26.800 anyway if you actually if you if your thing if your source of arousal as a woman is gorgeous male bodies

00:41:34.800 you're gonna watch gay men you're you are right this is told you i know what is that so anyway i do

00:41:44.480 actually think that that is that is a thing it's not that oh well like evolutionarily i get your

00:41:48.880 point and that's real and women aren't they they don't really need they don't need to see

00:41:55.280 like the the presence of a woman isn't offensive but that's not the problem the problem is that the

00:41:59.600 men are ugly in straight live action porn for women anyway there's also a theory among some that

00:42:07.360 there's a power dynamic element to this too that in heterosexual couplings the power dynamics are more

00:42:12.800 restrictive i mean at the very least you have the same phenomenon you have in sports where there's

00:42:16.800 just one party that's much stronger than the other so that just kind of changes the way that

00:42:21.200 any sort of scenario would play out and with two men it's it's different or things just feel more like

00:42:27.120 there's more flexibility in how things can play out and so allegedly that's something that's that's

00:42:31.600 less weak to me the most interesting thing of all these theories for me was the men are capable of real

00:42:38.000 love yes yeah i i think i think that's a big one and i think the other big one is that the the

00:42:45.920 characters in it are so objectified that if they saw a woman being treated this way yeah they would

00:42:50.880 feel uncomfortable due to feminist brainwashing yeah no the politics element of that is is huge and i

00:42:56.480 just think now more than ever there's so much baggage cultural baggage around me tooing and consent and

00:43:05.760 all these and it's just so annoying especially given that we know statistically speaking many

00:43:11.840 women are into non-consent and it's really hard there's a lot of cognitive dissonance that would

00:43:17.520 come to a woman who's into non-consent who's into power dynamics but who also sees herself

00:43:22.720 as all about consent and all about female empowerment actually this is the one way where

00:43:27.440 she can get non-consent and she can get one power party being disempowered without feeling any

00:43:31.840 cognitive dissonance you know oh i'm failing my kind i'm failing my in you know my internal model

00:43:37.440 you know they're they're not because it's just guys there was a a scene that's really common in yaoi

00:43:44.080 which is when one of the the guys sort of forces himself to kiss the other guy you know like so hot

00:43:50.640 it's the other guy's like not really into it and yeah you saw this happening to a girl you'd freak out

00:43:56.160 yeah you'd be like or or or it would be hot for you but you'd be like hmm but i feel guilty about

00:44:00.640 feeling good about it you know what i mean like it's it's they don't and then it ruins the vibe

00:44:04.800 because you want to just yeah there's another so i read a lot of people who watch the podcast

00:44:11.360 regularly know this a lot of romance books not romance romance mangas made in south korea for women

00:44:20.800 about the like regency era right like i just really love like villainous sent to the past yeah

00:44:26.960 like literally it's it's dinner and he's surrounded by kids who are literally climbing on him but he's

00:44:31.680 still reading i'm i've got to see her do her thing he needs to know what happens next so i got i get

00:44:40.240 so addicted to these love these and what i love about them now is so many good ones are being made

00:44:45.520 into animes now really i recently saw one of the ones that i read that i really liked which was

00:44:49.920 dr elise is being made into an anime that's coming out soon when there's a great one i'm actually

00:44:54.800 rewatching one right now like on trying to be the best villainous i forget what it's called like i'm

00:44:59.280 gonna be a villainous remembered for all time and i like it because it reminds me of myself you know

00:45:03.120 you you go back in time and instead of trying to be the hero she's like i'm gonna be the greatest

00:45:06.800 villainous ever because reincarnated as a as an otome villainous but anyway so i really like these

00:45:13.360 which means i get a lot of ads for other things in this sort of category and yeah the ad that i

00:45:21.280 get the most so much so that i actually clicked through once an ad i get so much that i actually

00:45:27.120 got it in between filming this episode last night and then immediately going to edit it and go to bed

00:45:34.000 so within like an hour and a half of filming this episode that's how i have a picture of the ad

00:45:39.760 it was like i this is such a weird setting i'm gonna see what this is like i'm normally able to

00:45:45.360 read one chapter of it and i i just it didn't grab me the reason i thought it might is its world seemed

00:45:51.600 reminiscent of beast stars which is one of my favorite animes because it took the idea of something

00:45:56.160 like zootopia in saying like and i think zootopia i hate the way it subverts the actual interesting

00:46:02.480 question that could be asked which is to say what have you had a society of a bunch of hominid like

00:46:07.840 creatures that were genetically different and had different needs and capabilities and psychological

00:46:12.400 profiles and then zootopia says but they aren't actually different and none of them are actually

00:46:17.120 a threat to any of the other ones and it is a conspiracy that any of them could be a threat to

00:46:23.200 any of the other ones whereas in beast stars they say no there are prey species and there are

00:46:28.160 predator species and the predator species want to kill and eat the prey species but they hold that

00:46:33.280 in and they have systemic differences in the way that they see the world in the way they engage with

00:46:38.800 the world and we will try to stitch together a simulacrum of an equal society in spite of that

00:46:44.880 which thank god isn't a question that we need to grapple with in our modern society that different

00:46:50.560 groups may have genetic differences from each other and saying that our society is equal in

00:46:56.880 spite of that and pretending that it's equal in spite of that can cause systemic issues to get

00:47:02.320 an understanding of just how based and interesting this world is there's this scene at the beginning

00:47:07.200 of it where you see a rabbit girl who is clearly one of the protagonists being teased for being a slut

00:47:14.640 and of course in any other anime you'd be like oh this is horrible she's being teased for being a slut

00:47:19.280 but then it's revealed that the reason why this other subspecies of bunnies is so angry at her

00:47:26.240 is because she is hitting on one of the males of her subspecies and they're an endangered subspecies

00:47:34.240 and if they keep outbreeding they're going to go extinct because i was like this is i don't know

00:47:38.320 it's gonna be boring and weird but i'll give you the plot and you'll immediately understand why you

00:47:42.000 couldn't do this with women okay okay so it's a world where a it's an anthro world like a furry

00:47:48.560 world okay and society is divided into praise omnivores and predators where predators sort of

00:47:55.840 hold most positions of power bully the other classes omnivores are sort of middling and prey species

00:48:02.400 are seen as like the lower class and are very much forced to take on sort of submissive roles in

00:48:06.960 society okay okay and so an omnivore dog boy goes to school but pretends that he's a wolf so that

00:48:15.840 he won't get like you say that he can have the higher status and everything like that yeah yeah

00:48:21.120 he's the nerd pretending to be the jock yes a a a a fox boy who is clearly the the like

00:48:27.680 male coded one in this male male relationship um finds out uh that this boy is actually an omnivore so he has

00:48:36.400 this black male information on him oh no this black male information on that he's actually submissive

00:48:45.040 and he actually wants to be submissive because he's just an omnivore you know obviously taking

00:48:52.080 from like megaverse tropes right but the point being is that you know in a woman's story if it was a woman

00:48:57.440 who was hiding her status and the guy knew the real truth right like i think a lot of women would feel

00:49:02.720 very uncomfortable about that oh yeah yeah yeah yeah there's there's too much baggage there for

00:49:07.440 sure yeah by somebody who's trying to hook up with her like i don't want to but when men are victimizing

00:49:12.960 men that's totally okay hot even no because i mean well that's it's the dynamic that women find arousing

00:49:20.240 they just culturally have been programmed to feel immense amounts of guilt and cognitive dissonance if

00:49:26.880 they condone or abide by those things but we should also touch on again another thing i want to touch

00:49:33.840 on in this category because i read a lot of these books and a lot of these i i see the the types of

00:49:40.560 sort of media that's really targeted at women right because i'm reading just tons of it when they have

00:49:46.320 a woman as the the the lead character right like because a lot of mine involve romances right the woman is

00:49:53.840 almost never objectified i know i will not say almost ever i would say categorically never not

00:50:00.640 one in like the 45 i have read well this also shows up so much in in romanticity novels and it's really

00:50:06.480 annoying because the women and oh and even even even novels like the outlander series i can't read them

00:50:13.120 because the women are so can i say cunty are you gonna allow me to say cunty because they are so cunty

00:50:20.800 they're so rude and they're so entitled and they're so like well i'm not gonna like you'll just

00:50:27.600 go down on me and we'll never have sex ever and like they're just really rude and mean and dismissive

00:50:33.360 towards their love interests all of the ones i've read the 45 that i have read there has not been

00:50:40.000 a single sex scene it's so annoying like what's the point i don't know i would actually really hate

00:50:46.400 a sex scene i'd be like i want to get back to the story i'm reading this for the well but what's

00:50:51.200 worse is i mean as you know i have like a very strong aversion to men going down on women and

00:50:56.720 that's that is that is the sex that hasn't happened to any of the korean ones let me tell you what korean

00:51:02.400 women are on board with you on this yeah they're like i have that gene yes they're like i do not want

00:51:08.160 it has not it has not happened it has not been suggested to um it has not been talked about it's

00:51:13.680 pervasive in romanticy i don't know what's up with that but it's also pretty pervasive in female

00:51:20.000 oriented nsfw stuff online at least in western audiences if you watch our video on how parasites

00:51:28.400 affect human sexuality and we point out that liking to have guys go down on you is more common in women

00:51:36.720 with specific parasites that can be transmitted by that all of a sudden this makes sense if korean

00:51:41.760 women are actually not sleeping around a lot which they are not korean women barely have any sex

00:51:46.080 especially casual sex and women in america especially the white women who are pushing

00:51:51.120 this are sleeping around a lot it means that they may have caught these parasites and that's why

00:51:56.000 they're reading these books and they are promoting this idea that it's really normal for guys to go

00:52:00.640 down on girls the one scene that you see occasionally and i'd say that this is the most sexual scene you

00:52:06.480 will see in these um and it's in i'd say like one out of four of them is the scene where the woman has

00:52:13.760 fallen on her back and the man has fallen on top of her for whatever reason and that's classic anime

00:52:20.000 is like to hear right like it's fault because she's wearing one of those big victorian skirts and you can

00:52:24.240 see part of her leg finally and you're like oh the leg scene well the man accidentally on top of the

00:52:32.000 woman's scene or vice versa in the courtyard of course let's also get back to what this this patron

00:52:42.080 mentioned about why are women so into just having gay friends that because i've seen this happen too

00:52:52.000 where girls especially as you said young girls even to just guy friends in school wish they were gay

00:53:00.960 or say things like i wish you were gay okay let's talk about why women want gay friends and why

00:53:07.520 guys who aren't stupid want gay friends and like you don't want no not not stupid guys who aren't

00:53:13.600 insecure i think it has to do with sexual insecurity maybe okay so first from a guy's perspective because

00:53:20.160 it's just really easy from a guy's perspective my best friends have almost always been gay except for

00:53:25.680 like right now in life and that's because my best friend is my wife and i don't leave my house much

00:53:29.120 but like throughout high school your male best friends if if not family have been yeah and this

00:53:34.960 was during the period where you know people who know back in the day you just sleep around constantly

00:53:38.800 right with women i should probably say yes but just sleep around constantly with women and one of

00:53:45.120 the reasons i was able to do that is because i had gay friends so okay consider this you walk up to a

00:53:53.040 group of girls and you're hanging out with two gay friends okay now you a group of three men walked up

00:53:59.920 to three women except there's really only one choice for those three women in that group or it works this

00:54:06.960 way your gay friends and you go out to a bar or a club and a woman starts to hit on them they don't

00:54:14.320 like that so they say hey i'm x but my friend over there is into girls is he your type and then you

00:54:23.920 get handed the girl right that's so funny because experiments also show that straight women rate

00:54:30.640 mating related advice from gay men is more trustworthy than advice from straight men or other women because

00:54:36.240 they do not suspect hidden sexual motives or rivalry and they also suggest women feel that gay male

00:54:41.680 friends value them more beyond their bodies which boosts their self-esteem and also they feel like

00:54:46.720 gay men are more trustworthy because they're not sexual competition like there's all these you know

00:54:51.840 i mean we've had all these other episodes where we kind of hinted the fact that a lot of female behavior that

00:54:58.720 is is very crab in the bucket ish where they're kind of pulling other women down or encouraging other

00:55:03.840 women to indulge in being overweight or ugly or to just make themselves worse comes from a place of

00:55:11.120 sexual rivalry so i had only thought about it from the female perspective but you're right from a

00:55:15.760 male perspective gay might get made sorry gay male friends are great for guys too because they're also

00:55:22.080 not sexual rivals yes but but friends it gets better than that too so another thing is people say oh malcolm

00:55:31.040 you know you look gay or you look whatever right like this is a thing that people say all the time

00:55:35.520 and i'm like that makes it even better to have a gay best friend because that means that the girl

00:55:40.560 who went to hit on the guy who often looked kind of gay and he says are you into guys like that

00:55:46.320 it's another guy who looks kind of gay yeah probably is into it that actually yeah that that is an

00:55:52.640 underrated that's an underrated tactic yeah guys will be gay because women like gay men

00:55:59.600 gay guys will occasionally hit on me and then i can pass them to my friend right yeah but then you

00:56:06.080 have the secondary dynamic which is really cool too yeah which is to say that when i say gays it's

00:56:11.920 gays yes gays and women so the problem with other women is one the thing you said it's been well shown

00:56:17.280 that women are constantly trying to sabotage each other and you even see this as a stereotype of the

00:56:21.440 gay male friend the stereotype of a group of female friends is one woman goes out and she goes do i look

00:56:26.880 fat and all of the women who don't want her to lose weight and want her to lose in sexual competitions

00:56:31.840 all go no you look great and the gay male best friend is like like now you look girl you look

00:56:37.680 ridiculous right now you need to lose a food pound because but you actually even see this in the

00:56:44.080 stereotypes right they are less likely to act in a crab in the bucket dynamic but it's more than that

00:56:51.440 the second point is that women are just generically terrible

00:56:58.400 not only are they not capable of love not only will they intentionally sabotage you

00:57:03.360 in an active sexual competition but there's more there's more no but if you're a woman and you can

00:57:09.360 be friends with a guy but he is not going to have a hidden interest in eventually getting you to sleep

00:57:15.920 with him that can be a really positive like that that that has value to you right like in terms of

00:57:22.560 gaining access to specific spaces and ideologies you wouldn't otherwise gain that access to

00:57:27.360 like this is in part how gays especially gay men garner a disproportionate amount of value in society

00:57:35.920 than straight men which which you actually see like gay men often move into an area like right before

00:57:40.800 it gentrifies for example right like they they are a a if you look at like top performers in many

00:57:46.640 fields that require networking you will often find a disproportionate number of gay men and that is

00:57:51.840 because gay men have this hidden advantage in networking that straight men do not have

00:57:56.720 gosh wow the power of the gay man and here i should say when i say gay men here i'm talking about same

00:58:02.560 sex attracted men who choose to live a gay lifestyle like i don't believe there is an inherently gay thing

00:58:08.560 it is just some people are born same-sex attracted and there's many ways you can choose to live in

00:58:12.480 relationship right yeah i mean a closeted gay man is not going to have this utility yes yes exactly

00:58:19.520 the the second thing and i think that you hit on this really well is that the yeah no i think those

00:58:26.160 are the main reasons that's that's why women like to to hang out with them they do not like to do it

00:58:29.840 because they like to talk about gays hooking up or anything like that i've i've been because you

00:58:35.040 know i hung out with gay so much i've been in plenty of the conversations women do not talk

00:58:39.360 with their gay friends about what the gay friends are doing not at all and that's yeah so what we're

00:58:44.880 really talking about and i think it's important to highlight this is these are two very different

00:58:49.280 things the gay best friend is very different from boys love fictional interest they are totally

00:58:56.720 independent so that's i think quite interesting too that there's this double interest in gay men

00:59:02.000 from different angles one one is a fantasy angle that doesn't really reflect reality

00:59:05.920 and one is the very interesting market dynamics that make men valuable to both men and women as

00:59:14.320 friends and i'd never really thought through those logistics and aligned incentives but they're there

00:59:19.520 which is which is great very interesting it's funny because when leftist circles discuss the trope of

00:59:26.960 the gay best friends they talk about it from an exploitative angle that like the the the gay best

00:59:32.880 friend is is tokenized and marginalized and kind of just used as like oh just be sassy and tell me

00:59:40.800 things how they are and i'm gonna just complain to you and not listen to you about your inner life at

00:59:45.040 all and i i don't think that's how it plays out like i don't i don't think these are unit directional

00:59:51.680 relationships but that that's how they're portrayed and they're not really discussed beyond that and you just

00:59:56.400 presented to me the most compelling and interesting discussion of the gay best friend trope that i've

01:00:01.360 ever heard so i appreciate that well i love you and yeah did you ever did you ever have your gay friend

01:00:09.200 token gay friend or just gay friends i had gay colleagues that i still

01:00:16.720 follow on social media but i don't think they liked me very much and they're very progressive now

01:00:21.600 so i'm sure if they see me in the media they hate me i still like them yeah that's sad oh well

01:00:33.840 but yeah no yeah i know i i yeah yeah in high school and in college there were certainly gay guys that

01:00:43.040 i hung out with and talked with a lot and really liked i don't know if they liked me but i also kind of

01:00:48.480 assume that everyone hates me because i hate myself well

01:00:54.400 it will see what what my gay so i'm actually about to go to high school reunion and i need to

01:01:00.320 recheck oh sorry i cut out his name i'll cut out his name the recheck was my friend to see what he's

01:01:04.080 doing but we had talked about driving up together it's a like four hour drive or whatever and catching

01:01:07.920 up which will be a lot of fun yeah well i mean if i can't imagine but if he's bringing his partner

01:01:19.920 with him or something i mean i know he's cool with like my politics but i don't know about you know

01:01:23.840 other people so no yeah hopefully it's okay we'll see anyway yeah this is this is a lot of fun and

01:01:40.000 that we'll see we'll see i love you simone good episode yeah enjoyed it okay next we're gonna do

01:01:47.680 emotional support scooters yeah yes okay by the way question somebody reached out and said they

01:01:55.120 think i've not been as nice to you in episodes i think it's like when we disagree or talk over each

01:01:59.600 other what's the what's the point if there's not a little debate a little no isn't that like normal

01:02:09.520 in marriages i don't know what do we but i think being mean is when there's like an ad hominem attack

01:02:16.640 you haven't i don't think you've ever made one on a podcast ever so why would you like we talk over

01:02:24.320 each other but that's because we get excited we made this good ideas but like there's also yeah we

01:02:32.480 have a lot of a lot of as as really annoying child psychologists say we have a lot of big feelings

01:02:37.520 we have a lot of big feelings right now simone big feelings and my big feeling is is i have some

01:02:43.840 theories and you have some theories yeah we always want to tell each other the theories yeah and would

01:02:50.080 our conversations be be interesting if we agreed on everything i mean what are they looking for

01:02:56.240 i guess a lot of the podcasts no i mean blocked and reported for example which is a very popular

01:03:00.720 podcast they disagree but then a lot of leftist podcasts i listen to they only agree

01:03:07.360 until about them mimetically gaining up on on the enemy talking about how perfect or disgusting someone

01:03:13.920 is i don't know you're perfect and i love you maybe turn it up a tiny bit how am i going to look dark and

01:03:20.880 mysterious and like a sexy vampire that's true well this this highlights the paleness and the fact that

01:03:27.600 you never go outside during the day which i think is more vampiric so for people who don't know joe

01:03:34.000 rogan's show called me a vampire that that was the conspiracy so i am they didn't exactly they said well

01:03:40.320 like like vampires and something like that but i'm going with it i'm going with it that's the the the

01:03:46.640 that i'm that i'm from a family of vampires is what they said the guest said that what barnabas

01:03:52.560 collins from the dark shadow series was based on the collins family as in your collins family

01:03:58.000 so based on me vampires are based on me not the other way around okay somebody looked at my family

01:04:04.960 and was like vampires vampires definitely i did my trending topic that i sent you on x by the way

01:04:12.640 that anti-ice protests are inspiring more romance meme book covers and like

01:04:17.600 like ai girls are thirsting after ice agents and they're yeah and the the book covers that

01:04:22.960 people are making on x are hilarious you you've got to click through the link that i sent okay the

01:04:28.480 books have covers like a song of fire and ice and there's a woman with blue hair kissing an ice agent

01:04:36.400 and she's wearing a bright red dress there's another book cover that reads detained by desire and there's a

01:04:43.760 a woman staring at a masked ice agent from the window of her crappy looking car it is

01:04:51.200 utterly delightful hold on i'll i'll open this i'll see i'll see if these are accurate

01:04:56.800 there's another another book with the title dictatized at the protest there's an ice agent detaining a

01:05:04.800 woman holding an abolish ice sign wait wait so he's an ice minotaur oh my gosh well you know the other

01:05:11.920 there are there are ice minotaurs and some people are going all out by desire but what good and

01:05:19.840 these are delightful and i would read them but what actually was trending kind of it i think maybe the

01:05:25.040 book covers were being made in response to this but people noticed on some chat sites that women's

01:05:34.720 ice agent role play was trending you know women fantasizing about oh i like this quote here

01:05:42.160 a handmade tale is fetish material by the way see our episode on that if you don't believe that it is

01:05:46.720 pretending it's a political critique is like pretending 50 shades of gray is about the excess

01:05:50.880 influence of the billionaire class yeah i i love this christians we should stop abortion feminists i

01:05:59.440 want you to grate me christians what feminists you want to imprison me and put me in a costume and i

01:06:06.400 have high status men f me and impregnate me christians what reminisce panting their wives will hold my

01:06:14.080 wrist while they drive themselves deep into my fertile

01:06:21.200 but really and now there's this rising conspiracy theory at the back of my mind

01:06:27.520 that all female dominant dominated protests are just women playing out fetishes now they're going to these

01:06:34.160 ice ice ice protests antagonizing men saying arrest me do it i just saw some footage when i was watching

01:06:42.800 another asmongold's stream on that was posted on youtube later where at one point it seemed like

01:06:50.400 ice agents were pouring water on women who are protesting maybe blocking their way like water bottle

01:06:56.960 emptying water bottles onto their faces and the women were saying more water as this kind of resistance

01:07:02.800 protest or something but now that i look at it from like a fetish perspective

01:07:09.120 i don't know man what if women are just what if women are using this as a way to exercise their

01:07:14.720 resistance fetishes and they're i'm being dominated by a strong man in a uniform and a mask

01:07:21.680 it's kind of sexy i i get it you know like i could see it i i ice role play you need to that's

01:07:28.320 that's gonna be the next thing yeah you gotta i guess if i look on amazon am i going to find

01:07:35.920 ice costumes and they have like 105 stars on ai well yeah today i made i made one where you're

01:07:44.080 candace owens but all the conspiracy theories are true i made you wake up as kaya right before the kaya

01:07:51.360 please shock incident and you have to figure out what you're gonna do with your life i made one where you

01:07:56.480 are charlie and you have to navigate the dystopian uk government perhaps saving amelia i don't know

01:08:04.000 we'll find out i'm doing it i'm having fun with them you know we should we should do an ice

01:08:12.160 ice protest romance an nsfw it's it's gonna be perfect

01:08:17.280 but yeah i it's fun building out the the scenarios and making them like that i i hope people enjoy the

01:08:26.240 the candace owens conspiracy theories a real one i just started playing that after making it

01:08:33.280 it was like whoa because i put in in in reality fabricator when you make a scenario you're able to

01:08:40.720 make the public summary and starting point for a game or an ai scenario or like narrative but you're

01:08:46.960 also able to put in stuff that only the ai can see and so it's really helpful when you want to do

01:08:52.880 things like candace owens but all the conspiracy theories are real you just put in a detailed

01:08:56.880 profile of candace owens and then a detailed summary of all of her conspiracy theories so that they

01:09:02.880 they thread into the narrative of the game itself and i find that actually really interesting

01:09:12.000 because when i listen to candace owens talk i find myself thinking

01:09:18.400 how does she how does this work how does it work with the egyptian plains and the jews and all these

01:09:23.760 things how do they fit together how can this world be cohesive and and yes some people like her i'm

01:09:29.200 like her brain is just cooked it's like she's well no but with reality fabricator you can through her

01:09:34.240 eyes play out the scenario and try to understand how things feel from her perspective and and i i

01:09:43.920 didn't realize that reality reality fabricator would be so useful for me yeah to be like okay let's just

01:09:51.280 let's just take her word for it okay all of the conspiracy theories are real and and i can see what

01:09:56.080 she says she has what am i seeing what am i looking at what do i do and so i didn't realize

01:10:02.720 that ai chatbots could also really help you build empathy or at least try to see something from someone's

01:10:08.720 perspective but i'm very excited to create the nsfw ice agent romance and a scenario it will hopefully

01:10:19.120 rank well but nothing will ever come close to and i still have to play it through there's

01:10:23.040 this one nsfw scenario that someone created on rfab called all the check boxes because malcolm created

01:10:29.600 this giant help you create your own narrative tool where you can check all the boxes or that you want

01:10:37.840 for either a safer work adventure scenario or a character that you chat with or a raunchy scenario

01:10:46.000 and so it includes oh like any fetish you could possibly imagine dominance versus submission roles

01:10:53.120 tropes etc and someone just checked every single box just to see what happened i really want to figure

01:10:59.680 out it's dominant and it's submissive it's it's bdsm and it's it's it's gentle it's i don't know i i

01:11:08.240 wanna i need to i need to see what it's like anyway we will we will get to the show because i'm sorry but

01:11:14.240 we just we have to talk sometimes and this is our time all right okay you good oh oh we had a

01:11:23.040 situation sorry there's there's wow what what did you do you good buddy let's see what's going on the double

01:11:37.040 chin's gonna okay okay okay all right sorry he woke up at 3 30 and was like let's do it we didn't go

01:11:53.360 back to sleep after that i come down here to get people dressed what is happening over here what are

01:12:00.240 you doing how did indy get out of her bed octavian octavian yeah did you help indy get out of her bed

01:12:13.200 they are so cute marching around did indy gotten out of her cage yeah

01:12:30.480 so they were marching around and doing what

01:12:32.320 and he wants to play tosi come on all right are you being silly

01:12:48.320 what are you what are you doing titan

Based Camp - January 15, 2026

No Evolutionary Benefit： So Why Do Girls Like BL⧸Yaoi⧸Gay Romance？

Episode Stats

Length

Words per Minute

Word Count

Sentence Count

Misogynist Sentences

Hate Speech Sentences

Summary

Transcript