Based Camp - Normies Are Realizing Marriage is Cool (Uh Oh!)

00:00:00.000 radical monogamy monogamy but like i'm not a square or anything yeah i love the concept of

00:00:10.000 like marriage have you thought of it oh i don't know i don't want to get that dirty yeah i have

00:00:16.920 a husband who i serve food for oh my gosh oh my gosh and i'm gonna get pregnant we're legally

00:00:25.420 bound to each other what is this the omega verse this is kinky oh god no it's really come to that

00:00:32.300 though would you like to know more hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are

00:00:37.820 going to be going over the surprising increase in traditional marriages and traditional marriage

00:00:43.420 structures and why they might be beneficial to people contrasting with the red pill ethos that

00:00:51.120 we'll go into as well in this where you get somebody who says no marriage is always bad it

00:00:56.680 is just a trap for the man it is just bad for the man which i'm sure you've heard a hundred times

00:01:00.520 on red pill sites okay how do you define traditional marriage and this is well you'll understand from

00:01:05.600 the statistics that we're going over because we're going to be going over a lot of statistics in this

00:01:08.520 episode and we're going to be doing it through the eyes of a piece by brad wilcox in the atlantic

00:01:13.260 called why marriage survives nice brad wilcox okay let's do it i'm excited you're acting like we

00:01:19.400 know him do we know him we've met him a couple times at events oh wow he's a perennatalist yeah

00:01:24.980 he's all about marriage his his angle in the perennatalist movement is i'm the marriage guy

00:01:30.540 so it would make sense that he's sorry by the way brad if you i met you i'm just terrible with zanes 0.61

00:01:35.220 so if i met you again i'd be like oh you're that guy you know but sorry anyway so i'm gonna dive right

00:01:42.240 in and i've cut out all of the fluff from this and so we're just gonna go like stats heavy okay

00:01:47.040 awesome first the decline in the divorce rate was accelerating since the early 1980s the divorce

00:01:53.300 rate had now fallen by almost 40 and about half that decline happened in just the past 15 years

00:01:59.340 so i'm gonna read that again first the decline in the divorce rate is accelerating so fewer people

00:02:05.120 are getting divorced and it's happening at an even faster rate as time goes on but don't you think

00:02:08.900 that's also a product of there being far fewer marriages we'll get to that okay since since the 0.81

00:02:14.420 1980s the divorce rate has fallen by 40 so when people oh wow since the 1980s it's fallen by 40

00:02:22.140 and half that decline has happened in just the last 15 years unless otherwise noted all figures in this

00:02:30.400 article are the result of my analysis of national data the idea that marriage will end in failure

00:02:36.580 half the time or more was entrenched in american minds is out of date the proportion of forced

00:02:41.940 marriages expected to end in divorce has fallen to about 40 in recent years so number of divorces

00:02:48.660 are falling but still i mean 40 for first marriage people and i love it when people come to you will

00:02:53.360 be like that's my odds of getting divorced if i get into a marriage i'm like no it's not like you know

00:02:59.060 dumb people get married too like thoughtless people get married too people get drunk and get married in

00:03:04.920 like these people who are ending up like you you influence the odds that your marriage will end in 0.99

00:03:12.080 divorce by how much thought you put into that marriage when you went into it it is not a staple

00:03:17.680 40 for every individual if you go to me and you said bet on these marriages ending in divorce and i was

00:03:25.580 given information on both people and how they vetted each other and i place bets based on logic and then

00:03:31.900 another person pays bets on a just a 40 number i would own that person i would just completely come

00:03:39.640 away with all the money because it isn't a blanket 40 it is a 40 conditional on the circumstances that

00:03:47.180 you were in when you got married second yeah i'm actually i'm going to see if i can find prediction

00:03:53.140 markets for divorce because i bet that there are i wonder if there's a prediction market for our divorce

00:03:58.100 i know there is for having the number of kids we have market on the number of kids we'll have but

00:04:01.980 second non-marital childbearing after almost half a century of increase stalled out in 2009 at 41

00:04:11.020 down to 40 over the last few years so basically for a long time the amount of kids born out of wedlock

00:04:17.640 was increasing and it stalled out about 15 years ago and and it's been slow very slowly going down

00:04:24.380 um for children less divorce and a small decline in childbearing outside of wedlock

00:04:30.080 means more stability after falling for more than 40 years beginning in the 1960s the share of children

00:04:36.180 living in married families bottomed out at 64 in 2012 before rising to 66 in 2024 according to the

00:04:46.540 census bureau current population survey and the share of children raised in an intact married family for the

00:04:53.120 duration of their childhoods has climbed from a low point of 52 in 2014 to 54 in 2024 so just to to go

00:05:02.140 over the bigger number there after falling for more than 40 years beginning in the late 1960s

00:05:07.680 the share of children living in married families bottomed out in 2012 so basically we saw this long

00:05:15.340 period of decline and then a bottoming out um with things beginning to potentially turn around now

00:05:20.540 third shift may now be underway as well although it is much less established in the first two the rate

00:05:26.980 of new marriages among prime aged adult which hit its nadir during the pandemic has risen in each of

00:05:33.100 the three years of data since 2020 so again this is the rate of new marriages in prime age adults

00:05:40.280 which in 2023 the most recent year available it was higher than any year since 2008 at least some of

00:05:51.100 this increase is a post-pandemic bounce but the share of all prime aged adults who are married

00:05:56.640 has also leveled off in the past few years that that this the decades-long decline in the proportion of

00:06:03.500 americans who are married may have reached its low point some of these shifts are modest

00:06:09.760 kunst was surely right that couples and families in the u.s will continue to live in a variety of

00:06:15.660 arrangements in particular caution is warranted as to the number of new marriages it is quite possible

00:06:21.900 that the longer trend towards fewer people marrying will reassert itself but as a likely success story for those who

00:06:31.420 do wed and as an anchor for the american family life a marriage looks like it's coming back

00:06:37.020 stable marriage is a norm again and the way that most people rear the rising generation 0.91

00:06:42.620 the writing is very difficult to read here uses the grammatical structures i wouldn't expect but anyway

00:06:49.320 i'm gonna put some graphs on screen here you get fewer divorces so as you can see here you have this

00:06:53.980 sharp increase in divorces from the 1960s to like 1976 because boomers are just the worst 1.00

00:07:00.960 generation in human history we actually did an episode on that i thought it was a little mean so

00:07:04.660 i haven't posted it but then the number just goes down down down down down to the point where if you

00:07:12.240 look at in 2023 the number of divorces is about the same as the number of divorces in the early 1960s

00:07:20.080 so we're going you know back to 1950s levels of divorce if we continue down at the rate that we've

00:07:26.560 been going down i'd say for another five years we'll be back to the 1960 level that's exciting

00:07:32.480 let's see we can get to the 1950 level yeah kids growing up in married two parents homes this has

00:07:39.700 been going down since the 1970s at least so at the beginning of this graph it's going down and then you

00:07:46.280 see it reach sort of its bottom at around 2015 and it's gone up slightly since then okay

00:07:52.480 encouraging so what you're seeing there is is this is a trend that's bouncing back as well

00:07:58.320 a little bit a little bit maybe we fit a floor the harvard anthropologist joseph heirich has observed

00:08:04.220 that marriage represents the keystone institution for most though not all societies and may be the

00:08:10.840 most primeval of human institutions on every continent in every era in more patriarchal societies

00:08:16.800 and in more egalitarian ones it has governed family relationships as an institution it seems to

00:08:22.240 build on the evolutionary psychology of both men and women writes nicholas christus a sociologist

00:08:28.080 at yale which is to exchange love for support but as we've known because love is not a real emotion

00:08:35.080 and when i did this episode and so many people were like oh this show is that like you guys are

00:08:39.360 sociopaths or something people were pointing out actually if you look at the definitions of love

00:08:44.220 given by most like well-considered people like say c.s lewis he would also tacitly in his definition

00:08:51.280 of love argues that love is not a real emotion it's a choice or rather like a pledge to somebody

00:08:57.360 so this is saying like a pledge of mutual dedication in exchange for a pledge of mutual dedication i mean

00:09:04.540 i guess that that's you know whatever by the way if you do think love is a real emotion you should

00:09:08.940 watch that episode we come to it with a lot of evidence it is almost certainly a thing that people

00:09:13.160 are just pretending maybe some like minority ethnic groups have it as an emotional state but it doesn't 0.97

00:09:18.500 appear to be common within most of the population and most people like like entire civilizations

00:09:23.080 existed without a word for it and and we have their writings on what a married couple feels for

00:09:29.280 each other when they're very close to what i feel for my wife so we know that like when you don't get

00:09:33.300 this myth people don't don't fall for it but what i'm noting here is it's here you have both people

00:09:38.660 at like harvard and yale so like mainstream progressive institutions being like marriage is the bedrock of

00:09:44.200 all human culture and society you might have multiple marriages but like i.e a man might marry

00:09:50.200 multiple women but in as far as i'm aware in every successful civilization in human history marriage has 0.99

00:09:58.240 existed as a concept um here i'm not i'm not isolating it to monogamous marriage but marriage

00:10:03.000 more generally i.e exclusive females to males and they dedicate themselves to that male i'm not aware of a

00:10:10.780 single successful civilization in human history that didn't have this i'm aware of like some some a few

00:10:15.420 tribes here and there yeah but it seems like once you scale marriage as an institution emerges

00:10:23.080 i wouldn't say that it emerges it's that groups that don't adopt it do not appear to be able to scale

00:10:29.420 that that's what this would imply to me so you know important one and then dot dot dot here because

00:10:38.120 he goes off about something else that you guys are going to care about and i want to get back to the

00:10:41.320 statistics and the interesting stuff one notable example is family care most marriages in the united

00:10:46.120 states today are not throwbacks to the 50s when it comes to domestic responsibilities husbands are more 1.00

00:10:51.260 willing to lean in the amount of time that american fathers spend on child care increased from 2.5

00:10:56.940 hours per week in 1965 to 9 hours in 2024 2.5 to 9 hours between 1965 and 2024 according to pew and

00:11:07.080 the american time use survey over the same time period the share of time spent on child by dads rose from

00:11:12.640 25 to 62 of what moms provided which is you know crazy this is this is you know obviously well over

00:11:20.600 well not just doubling here this is like um i'm not gonna do the math in my head but but it's it's it's a lot

00:11:26.440 it's a lot of an increase also you spend so much more time with our kids than that which is yeah

00:11:31.620 and i know here the part i took out here is he was going on one of these but you know marriage in the

00:11:37.420 1950s was bad and the patriarchy or something and i was like yeah whatever my audience doesn't care

00:11:42.660 but that is actually interesting the way that marriage norms are changing yeah and then he points

00:11:47.100 out here indeed one of the reasons the united states birth rate may be higher than those of east

00:11:50.220 asian countries such as japan and south korea where the fertility rate has fallen to 1.15 and 0.75

00:11:55.440 babies born per woman respectively well below the us of 1.6 and note that these these aren't the only

00:12:01.540 good examples of this if you look at like italy italy had a fertility rate of like 1.18 is that men in

00:12:06.560 those countries do much less child care and household labor than men in the us even as women around the

00:12:12.640 world embrace the egalitarian frontier in the words of social scientist alice evans men in some

00:12:18.140 cultures have maintained their old habits as a result evans writes the sexes drift apart this

00:12:23.440 may help explain why south korea has seen marriages tank and its fertility rate fall to the lowest in

00:12:28.140 the world there's actually a great study on this by aria babu that looked at perceptions of a woman's

00:12:33.080 role in a marriage and the more a country thought that a woman's role this was was in europe was 1.00

00:12:38.860 basically to stay at home and raise kids the lower their fertility rate was and this is why despite

00:12:43.300 southern europe being less wealthy than northern europe which usually leads to a higher fertility rate

00:12:47.300 northern europe has a much better fertility rate than southern europe also consider latin america

00:12:53.000 versus the united states for example latin america is having an absolute fertility bomb right now i

00:12:58.860 think very very quick fertility collapse compared to the united states i think very shortly already over

00:13:04.300 half of the countries in latin america have a below the united states tfr and i think very shortly

00:13:08.800 we're going to see latin america more more broadly fall below the united states and i think that in the

00:13:13.600 future when people are talking about i am projecting 10 years out when people are talking about fertility

00:13:18.640 rate panic latin america is going to be one of the core places they talk about because it's been one

00:13:22.660 of the fastest declines we've seen anywhere in the world when you control for income and and they are

00:13:31.220 not as gender egalitarian as the united states if you if you look at east asia you know people can be

00:13:35.080 like oh all of east asia is going through a total fertility collapse right now and it's like no like

00:13:41.200 there's some wealthy countries in east asia that have better fertility rates than we have 1.8 for

00:13:46.520 example do you know what country has a fertility rate of 1.8 that's new zealand probably the most

00:13:52.180 gender egalitarian country in all of east asia what country has a fertility rate of 1.56 about the same

00:13:58.800 as ours way above like trouncing any of the other countries in the region that's australia way more

00:14:05.400 gender egalitarian than south korea or japan or china or thailand which also has a very low fertility

00:14:12.180 rate for its level of wealth i think it was like 1.2 or something which also is going to hugely change

00:14:17.240 these regions like a lot of people don't realize geopolitically what this means if you project the

00:14:22.680 economies of these regions going forwards and ai just doesn't completely flip the way economies work

00:14:26.960 which it could you know the fact that all of these economic heavy hitters like korea and japan and

00:14:34.000 china are going to go through these demographic collapses which is going to hit their tax bases

00:14:37.820 which is going to hit the way they work and australia and new zealand aren't going to go

00:14:43.160 through that they will become the economic center of the entire region which is kind of wild this is

00:14:48.700 one of the things i talk about where people are like oh you're just trying to like boost things for

00:14:52.540 white people you know and it's like no actually like white people are fairly good gonna end up fairly 0.53

00:14:57.400 well as things go like the the white colonized regions of east asia are going to completely

00:15:02.580 economically dominate east asia if you look at the the larger global scene the united states and

00:15:08.180 israel are the two countries that have unusually high fertility rates they were both usually thought

00:15:12.280 of as white countries and we're going to completely dominate if you and people are like oh well what 0.88

00:15:16.880 about like in east asia indonesia has like a super high fertility rate and it's like it doesn't it

00:15:20.720 doesn't matter like because they're not economically productive uh and i'm not saying that like

00:15:25.440 genetically they're less like i'm saying whatever for whatever reason that country isn't economically

00:15:29.440 productive so it's not going to be economically productive tomorrow and even within the united

00:15:32.560 states you see this phenomenon the people will be like black fertility in the united states is higher 0.97

00:15:35.760 than white fertility and i'm like actually that's not true or it's true is a huge caveat which is

00:15:40.400 that black fertility is the lowest ethnic fertility group in the united states for everyone who all black

00:15:47.100 people who are above the bottom 20 percent of black earners yeah i think if we totally controlled 1.00

00:15:52.100 for income i don't know if black fertility would be better yeah black fertility is actually super low 1.00

00:15:58.940 and and this is really bad for the black community because it means that culturally if the only parts 0.76

00:16:02.920 of that community that are reproducing itself are the the ones who are at the very bottom economically

00:16:07.300 that's going to reduce the community's ability to project itself economically within society because

00:16:13.280 the amount a kid has is correlated with the amount their their their parents make and i and again i'm not

00:16:18.920 even saying genetically here let's pretend genes aren't a thing i'm just speaking culturally

00:16:22.180 um but anyway indeed one reason that the united states birth rate may be higher oh sorry we already

00:16:29.520 went over there is no single model for a good marriage in the u.s today and most couples have 1.00

00:16:34.440 their struggles men still do less child care and housework and disagreements over division of

00:16:38.700 household labor labor are a source of tension for couples many women still value some traditional 0.99

00:16:43.200 traits in men such as breadwinning and some men's unreliability as breadwinners is a source of pain

00:16:47.460 for them and their wives a 2016 study on divorce published in the american sociological review

00:16:53.240 found that when a husband was not employed full-time his risk of divorce shot up by 33 percent the

00:16:58.600 following year ouch that's really high yeah well no this divorce sorry that's not the absolute rate

00:17:04.780 of divorce okay but but what's important here is when the wife was unemployed her odds of divorce do not 0.66

00:17:10.080 change employment differences among less educated men are the big reason marriage rates are lower among

00:17:15.900 the working class than among college graduates but on the whole marriage confers benefits to before we

00:17:21.420 get into this what you have any thoughts on this because you haven't talked much during this piece

00:17:24.940 i'm just absorbing this i i want to understand better how this correlates though with the falling

00:17:34.580 rates of marriage and the falling rates of fertility in general like it doesn't really mean anything in

00:17:39.160 isolation well i think that what is upstream of falling fertility rates has been falling marriage

00:17:46.280 rates and if we are it is and brad wilcox absolutely argues that i mean probably here and also elsewhere but

00:17:53.000 if there are fewer divorces for example i mean does it matter so much when like basically only the most

00:17:59.180 dedicated people are getting married actually yeah it does because those are the people who are going to

00:18:05.520 have kids more likely consider our i mean our society is basically going through a form of like

00:18:11.740 correction right yeah which is more people are realizing simone and i were actually talking among

00:18:17.980 ourselves about a friend of ours who previously would have been fine and and and did publicly identify

00:18:24.000 as polyamorous and now wanted to publicly identify as as monogamous or monogamous more generally and

00:18:30.880 it's just become like not cool to have like alternate types of marriages anymore the the traditional

00:18:37.320 marriage structure has become the way that people want to signal themselves to the outside world in a

00:18:43.060 way that i think is is transformative because it means a lot of young people like young type a people

00:18:49.240 who just want to do the right thing are now like a lot of time like they used to be like oh i gotta go out

00:18:54.940 and i gotta sleep around like a young girl would tell me this yeah for a while everyone was i mean

00:18:59.080 maybe this is still the case but for a while it seemed like everyone said they were poly yeah and

00:19:04.540 now we're at this time where a lot of people are like hey i've got people have heard our podcast

00:19:10.780 where you say this and they're like you must have had some weird friends and it's like well we lived

00:19:13.760 in san francisco so deal with it but anyway but anyway you what was i gonna say here marriage monogamy oh

00:19:24.260 yes we have a sort of a societal shift in what's cool and that shift has meant that a lot of these

00:19:30.900 type a people who sort of live their life on rails are now like okay now i get married i get married

00:19:35.960 young and i have lots of kids and that's a good transition from the old world where people were 1.00

00:19:42.400 just like i get married and then i have kids and i don't really think about it and everyone equally

00:19:46.540 fell into that bucket where now it's increasingly the considered people who are falling into that bucket

00:19:51.500 and the people who have a resistance to just doing what the urban monoculture says who fall into that

00:19:56.940 bucket and i think that that that sort of weeding out of this huge section of the population is very

00:20:02.040 good for society but anyway here he goes on but on the whole marriage confers benefits to women and

00:20:09.220 men alike according to a 2024 general social survey married men and women ages 25 to 55 are more than

00:20:15.120 twice as likely to be quote-unquote very happy with their life as non-married peers married people men and

00:20:20.200 women both live longer are more financially secure and build more wealth than single americans in 2022 0.99

00:20:26.500 i worked with you gov to survey 2000 married men and women asking them about their overall marital

00:20:32.860 happiness and how they'd rate their spouse along a range of indicators the happiest wives in the survey

00:20:38.540 were those who gave their husbands good marks for fairness in the marriage being attentive to them

00:20:43.600 providing and being protective yes that's making them feel safe physically and otherwise

00:20:48.640 specific and i note here you know if you're going into this as like a red pill mindset

00:20:53.420 you can go into your wife as like this thing you want to tame and contain and have serve you 0.98

00:20:59.460 but if you go into it with that much over that mindset you think about what what you're getting you're

00:21:06.260 getting like an animal that that begrudgingly respects you because it lusts after you because you're so alpha

00:21:12.120 right if on the other hand almost like the equivalent of hired help like it's it's more work

00:21:17.400 to make sure to ensure compliance of someone who is under your control than it is to simply ally

00:21:26.640 yourself who with someone who wants the same thing you do it's exactly easier to do the latter and here

00:21:32.060 you're seeing if you are allied with somebody what makes them like you it appears that it is fairness

00:21:38.280 okay so a degree of gender egalitarian this was in the marriage i mean fairness doesn't always mean 0.99

00:21:42.960 gender egalitarian in a traditional sense like our marriage appears very gender in egalitarian where

00:21:47.900 you do on mostly female roles i do mostly male roles but we each pull our weight and don't feel like

00:21:53.280 yeah we're being taken through that and try to balance we don't even really try to balance we both

00:21:59.640 try to do the most each of us can i never think about balance if i could do more i would do more like i i just

00:22:06.660 and i think that that that's really positive being attentive to them so so being attentive to your

00:22:11.920 wife i know that's not red pill that's not whatever right but that is trad that is what good men used to

00:22:17.720 do for their wives right you know like my wife will note that like when she's looking to like try to bend 1.00

00:22:22.760 over to pick something up i know when she's pregnant she hates bending over so i always try to run over 1.00

00:22:26.160 and help her with it or ensure nothing is on the floor in any room she enters then the kids put a lot

00:22:31.380 of and i feel like you're handing me a rose every time you pick something off the floor it's so romantic

00:22:35.760 i'm like oh swoon and and being protective is really big do you feel like i'm protective of you

00:22:41.620 i don't know yeah yeah you're always trying to make sure that we're shored up on all fronts

00:22:46.280 oh i guess you're right that is protection specifically 81 of wives 55 or younger who gave

00:22:53.320 their husbands high marks on at least three of these qualities these were very happily married

00:22:57.440 compared to just 25 of wives who gave them high marks on two or fewer and in part because most

00:23:04.120 wives were reasonably happy it was the the job their husband was doing on at least three out of

00:23:09.180 two of these fronts most wives were very happy with their husbands according to the survey in fact 0.86

00:23:13.500 we found that more than two-thirds of wives was in this age group and husbands too were very happy with

00:23:18.780 their marriage overall so to go into that in fact we found that more than two-thirds of wives in in 1.00

00:23:24.280 their group and husbands so two-thirds were very happy with their marriages what's the chance i'm

00:23:29.580 going to be happy with my marriage these days two-thirds if you assumed it was average but

00:23:34.720 again it's not average it's 81 percent if you are being you know being attentive to them being

00:23:41.700 providing and and treating your marriage with a degree of fairness um and and this is this is

00:23:48.120 the thing where it's like well i don't know what the probability of getting in a divorce is

00:23:52.680 it's like if you go into the marriage with an overly red pill mindset it's pretty effing high

00:23:56.780 which is not to say that the red pill doesn't have adequate complaints and that red pill philosophy

00:24:02.460 does not work at achieving sex with people who you know you you probably don't want to be married to 0.83

00:24:09.700 but it is not a good mindset to enter a long-term relationship with and we've actually seen an

00:24:15.180 evolution of the red pill community from that like right now i'm talking about the red pill community

00:24:19.520 and its nascency the red pill community as it exists today largely recognizes all of these things

00:24:24.680 except for like andrew tate the one the one guy who does it maybe like hamza we've done an episode

00:24:30.040 on how hamza screwed up his life by by overly focusing on these things watch it it's a very

00:24:34.520 funny episode that we did way too much editing on basically i'm starting the fatherhood chapter of

00:24:39.740 my life we're not pregnant just yet but we've moved to the scottish highlands the reason why me

00:24:46.780 and my ex split up is i told her to sit down and to write down like her goals and i wrote you know

00:24:51.660 what i want to move to like a big city you will not find this kind of woman who will fit with this 1.00

00:24:55.800 lifestyle in a big major city why the women who are in the big cities are their glorified instagram 1.00

00:25:01.540 prostitution i actually want to have a few like sleepless nights i want to have a few like like 1.00

00:25:06.800 sleep deprived nights where i stay up late bro for the last few years i've went to sleep at 7 8 p.m

00:25:11.640 i've you couldn't imagine the amount of like parties and social events and dinners that i've missed

00:25:15.880 i know what goes on in these parties and the issue was that the girls that i was meeting from these

00:25:21.160 places just like i i was as well we're all low quality it's a low quality place to be i wanted

00:25:26.540 to be super social i wanted to have some late nights where we stay up and we're social and

00:25:30.280 there's a party that we go to and everything but she saw it and i'm not gonna lie like i could see

00:25:33.980 how like offended she was where she was quite like pressuring she was like wait you want to do this oh 0.97

00:25:39.240 you want to do that you want to stay up late but that's unhealthy those party girls like the party 1.00

00:25:43.640 low quality degenerate tiktok type of girls they are attracted to the party low quality degenerate tiktok 1.00

00:25:49.580 type of guys find like trash can stay with trash because for hers she wrote that she wanted to do

00:25:54.200 more of the things that we were currently doing it's wholesome and you know that she's an awesome

00:25:57.720 girl for that she doesn't want to be around like you know like party girls and whatever i just 1.00

00:26:01.820 realized like we're actually going into two separate seasons right now find like trash can stay with 0.99

00:26:06.300 trash this is gonna sound weird you need to be hit in the face i will repeat that again as a young 0.96

00:26:11.940 man you need to be hit in the face consistently but anyway check it out the hansa episode but yeah the 0.97

00:26:16.960 the or the andrew tate various episodes we've done on how i actually think that they're quite 0.87

00:26:20.740 funny as well but anyway we point out that andrew tate like in trying to be masculine if you were

00:26:26.120 taking characters from the movie gladiator he literally acts like the the emperor who's supposed

00:26:31.580 to be like really pathetic and carries around a sword to like people instead of like maximus and i'm 0.52

00:26:37.060 like guys maximus is who the girls want it's not the emperor okay but he doesn't understand he thinks 0.88

00:26:42.880 it's about threatening and keeping everyone afraid of him and keeping everyone on edge and

00:26:46.340 being creepy and the way he talks about people i guarantee you don't walk around your house with

00:26:53.320 a sword because you're not a commander i'm a commander you know like when you command the troops

00:27:00.040 into battle so i walk around my house with a sword and i make threats like old school threats like

00:27:05.760 i will run you through which is already springing up there so it sees a

00:27:12.060 don't you see gracchus

00:27:16.040 i call it love i shall hold them to my bosom and embrace them tight i'm that guy who does whatever he

00:27:24.000 wants if you're unhappy with it you're unhappy with waiting for me to light a cigar then leave the 1.00

00:27:28.540 channel i give a fuck about you you're a peasant you're a peon you're a brokey i do as i please 1.00

00:27:33.980 i've analyzed the entire earth all of it so i like women but females are barely sentient even the 1.00

00:27:43.900 good ones in fact especially the good ones and the point is when i say barely sentient is that the

00:27:48.000 female's entire life process from head to toe she never really thinks for herself my four wives are 1.00

00:27:55.280 sitting there they've seen on the news there's a new deadly contagion i pick up my sword i am the

00:28:02.200 commander of this house i decide if there's a contagion i decide what i do be quiet cook you got

00:28:11.440 your sword your wife starts talking you're like shut up she got sorry you wrote to me once listing 0.99

00:28:18.740 the four chief virtues wisdom justice fortitude and temperance as i read the list i knew i had none of 0.51

00:28:24.260 them but i have other virtues ambition that can be a virtue when it drives us to excel but hey it seems

00:28:31.180 to be working for him i mean his whole thing is basically faded hasn't it it's like he's still a

00:28:35.120 thing last i heard of him he was in florida and there were legal issues and then yeah i don't know

00:28:42.940 maybe like on tiktok and stuff you know what i mean yeah so i decided to check how big andrew

00:28:47.500 tate is these days and his core channel appears to be his rumble account which has millions of

00:28:53.020 followers but if you look at the videos he's posting he has one from yesterday that had 36.9k views

00:28:58.180 he has one from three days ago which is at 33.1k views he has one from three days before that which

00:29:03.780 is 31.5k which is larger than us so he's like about i don't know maybe three times

00:29:12.080 or four times the size of our channel but that's wild to think about but anyway i believe it's

00:29:18.580 important for teen boys and young men to hear the entirety of this message marriage changes men but

00:29:24.660 not nefarious ways andrew tate might think men work harder and find more success at work after

00:29:30.520 they get married they drink less as well and marriage can channel noble characteristics and

00:29:35.140 behaviors that have classically been identified with masculinity protection provision ambition

00:29:40.200 stoicism that's good for both men and women i actually yeah really improved after i got married

00:29:45.360 in terms of my stoicism and provision and willingness to protect and emotional stability

00:29:51.560 my ambition has stayed the same before and after marriage i always wanted to take over the world

00:29:55.640 which i guess is sort of maximum ambition either way that's good for both men and women it can help

00:30:02.500 young men identify and work towards a model of pro-social masculinity that diverges from the one

00:30:08.020 being peddled by manosphere influencers such as tate marriage's comeback is good news for society

00:30:12.960 children raised in two-parent homes are much more likely to graduate from college than those raised

00:30:18.040 in other families and less likely to be incarcerated kids who don't live with both of their married

00:30:23.100 parents are far more likely to be depressed than those raised in intact families after surveying

00:30:28.240 research on child well-being the economist meli carsey concluded the evidence is clear even if the

00:30:33.860 punchline is uncomfortable children are more likely to thrive behaviorally academically and ultimately in

00:30:39.200 the labor market and adult life if they grow up with the advantages of a two-parent home

00:30:43.380 yeah reflects the mainstream academic consensus of family structure in children today dot dot dot so

00:30:49.140 sorry jumping ahead in the piece of it here but marriage's comeback is of course incomplete although

00:30:56.220 the trend may be starting to reverse the share of all americans who get married has fallen

00:31:00.360 significantly since the 60s and there is abundant evidence that many young adults today are reluctant

00:31:06.200 to marry or having trouble finding partners who want to marry totally marriage has become more

00:31:11.700 selective over time socioeconomically a majority of college-aged americans ages 25 to 55 62 percent

00:31:18.160 are married versus a minority of less college-aged americans 49 percent according to the 2023 american

00:31:23.540 community survey this bifurcation did not exist a century and a half ago and is one of the regions

00:31:28.400 marriages are more durable today money makes everything easier so you're right it is part that marriage is

00:31:34.400 becoming more selective marriage is becoming and as i've said but this change is so recent so recent like i'd say

00:31:40.060 like last three years in the zeitgeist but marriage is becoming cool and sleeping around is becoming

00:31:46.660 not cool even to young people stable relationships are becoming the rare thing that people want

00:31:54.360 you know being the you know sexual gods is becoming a lot less something that you can sell on the in the

00:32:02.460 community marketplace yeah yeah i mean do you have thoughts if you notice as well this is just me or

00:32:09.380 my perception no i i'm i think one people are just more shut-ins and i i also think that there's one

00:32:18.880 element of this that hasn't yet been discussed which is as people are feeling more and more economically

00:32:25.120 disenfranchised there is now more of a logical argument in some cases for marriage because you

00:32:32.620 can slightly diversify your income portfolio and depend on each other and kind of switch between jobs

00:32:40.220 together in a way that mitigates a risk yeah so when people don't have parents they can move in with

00:32:47.880 for example i think marriage in the name of stability and shared risk and more support you're

00:32:54.200 saying as times get worse marriage becomes more economically beneficial well i think that's the

00:32:58.460 big problem is that there was a long period where people thought marriage was about love and fun

00:33:02.920 and like marrying someone who would entertain you both personally and sexually when that's not what

00:33:09.660 marriage is about i mean marriage has for the vast majority of human existence been an economic and

00:33:14.300 security-based arrangement that revolved around you know being safe being able to survive and having

00:33:20.460 kids and i think if anything i mean a lot of people of course aren't interested or they literally don't

00:33:27.360 feel safe enough or stable enough to have kids many people are at least looking to marriage to start

00:33:33.080 just as as a maybe a way to be safer because it's better to for example live with an aligned roommate

00:33:40.520 who you trust rather than just be stuck with roommates which is kind of your only choice

00:33:46.100 in many housing markets so i think that's a it's a factor that wilcox is not really discussing here

00:33:54.820 it's a little more dark but i think it's there but the idea that successful marriages are attainable

00:34:01.760 only by certain groups today is misguided since 2012 divorce rates have been falling for working

00:34:07.760 class americans and black americans too and the share of kids being raised in married families

00:34:12.460 for these two groups has stabilized in fact the proportion of black children being raised in

00:34:17.180 married parent families rose from 33 percent in 2012 to 39 percent in 2024 okay and across both

00:34:25.120 class and racial lines marriage is linked to greater happiness household earnings and wealth for women and 0.53

00:34:30.780 men dot dot marriage is not for everyone of course it isn't but men and women who are flying solo

00:34:38.900 without a spouse typically report their lives to be less meaningful and more lonely the share of

00:34:43.680 unmarried men ages 25 to 55 who say they are unhappy in the general social survey more than doubled from the

00:34:51.200 late 1990s to the 2020s the fact alone that fact alone highlights just how wrong andrew tate is about

00:34:58.320 men in marriage now what's really interesting here is this doubling happened from the 1990s to the 2020s

00:35:03.560 so we're looking within a group here the amount of unmarried men who say they are unhappy and so what

00:35:09.540 we're seeing is that unmarried men no longer perceive the state of unmarriedness as being

00:35:15.680 satisfying as much as they used to i mean i think that that's because culture is shifting yeah

00:35:22.440 yeah well i also think that in an era in which socializing is collapsing and we talked about

00:35:30.460 this with the death of partying and we we've talked about this in other episodes

00:35:33.940 having a married partner or at least a long-term boyfriend or girlfriend i think

00:35:41.340 gives people that happy medium of getting to stay inside all the time and not going out

00:35:46.560 but still having a built-in social life that feels satisfying and and not pathetic by societal

00:35:54.100 standards because i still think a lot of people's decisions are based on self-image based things

00:36:00.440 i agree i agree yeah i mean people are are most people are basically npcs trying to maximize a

00:36:05.560 particular self-image so they want a way to be able to never leave their house without seeming like a

00:36:11.640 complete failure and if you're never leaving your house but your wife is there and especially if 0.63

00:36:17.440 your wife and kids are there then you're just a responsible dad right this is our culture and not

00:36:23.420 all cultures okay that's true a lot of yeah a lot of people we got this message from one of our jew

00:36:28.200 friends recently and conservative jewish guy a really great guy but anyway he was giving a life update

00:36:34.320 and talking about how their their child care situation had improved so that now he was able to go to

00:36:41.060 to go out to dinner with friends four to five times a week he said not to four to five times a week

00:36:47.560 oh my god it reminds me of that scene in the it crowd when he's like you know do you get your your

00:36:53.560 fruit your your one or two fruits or veggies and he's like yeah i mean i guess i do if he goes

00:36:59.940 a day he goes oh day do you get your five social interactions oh i mean i certainly try to i would

00:37:08.580 say i probably i probably do a week a what of course in my head i'm thinking a year a year yeah

00:37:16.580 and i'm like oh what oh my god and i and i understand that this person is biologically not

00:37:23.880 the same type of thing i am yeah because yeah if we if this person were to enter our minds and and like

00:37:31.260 live in our bodies the the very thought of that would be so horrifying he would just start vomiting

00:37:37.300 uncontrollably and then have a seizure like i don't know no really it's literally like asking

00:37:42.840 like how many times a year do you want to pay taxes well i know i need to do it so i do it you

00:37:47.580 know the the couple times per year and this person's like i i get to pay taxes four or five times a week

00:37:52.880 now it's a blast oh i just i just had to have a social interaction with somebody and i hated it you 0.70

00:38:00.600 know who we were in a business transaction with and i want to enter a world where all of my business

00:38:06.320 transactions are just with you so i do not need to talk or engage with other people but oh you know

00:38:13.260 fortunately the people we have working on our like all of our developer teams are pretty good these

00:38:17.440 days it's just like the other like entrepreneur types that are really frustrating me at this point

00:38:21.600 i think most of the people we work with are really amazing and then but even even working

00:38:28.140 with people that you love is very can be very stressful but yeah i think some people just live

00:38:34.760 for it they love it for whatever reason but i i do agree with you that the portion you know if we're

00:38:41.660 right people can get our episodes of why do you have friends that the portion of society that's like

00:38:45.640 really into these larger friend networks is actually coming from some minority cultural groups in terms of

00:38:49.660 their influence on whiter culture and a lot of americans actually just do not want whiter social

00:38:56.380 networks that you migrate that a lot of people are getting married to just retreat to the the marriage

00:39:01.520 and the family life well and based on the the stats that you shared in our episode on partying which

00:39:07.400 showed larger stats on socializing in general basically three out of 10 americans if i recall correctly

00:39:16.400 are going to most of the social events and then seven out of 10 are not there at all so i think

00:39:22.320 people get this perception that everybody likes going out when you're just seeing the same three

00:39:29.120 out of 10 people at everything and then there's this huge like under the ocean part of the iceberg

00:39:34.880 of the population that you're not going to see because they're not out there that is hokikomori maxing 1.00

00:39:41.200 yeah um and so now i want to go to he started this article with an andrew tate quote or talking

00:39:47.320 about andrew tate and i thought the way he framed this is pretty interesting quote there is zero

00:39:52.620 statistical advantage in quote to getting married if you are a man in america today andrew tate argued

00:39:59.380 in a viral 2022 video on why modern men don't want marriage women he believes are worthless anchors

00:40:07.840 they want you monogamous so your testosterone level drops he posted on x last fall and your 1.00

00:40:14.140 marriage is likely to end in ruin anyway if you use your mind if you use your head instead of your

00:40:20.140 heart and you look at the advantages of getting married there are none oh his heart's telling him

00:40:26.260 to get married that's actually sad sounding that is really sad our hearts never told us to get married

00:40:32.800 our minds did our minds did i believe it was logical andrew tate meanwhile i was like i want

00:40:38.340 to marry my heart says yes but my mind says no my well i mean he's self-image maxing right like

00:40:44.700 well he's a brand and a reputation to keep up if he marries he would look yeah andrew tate is a role

00:40:50.800 he's not a human you know he's a human who every day wakes up and is like i am playing the role of

00:40:55.940 that heart thing is very telling my heart never told me to get married that's crazy

00:41:00.480 seriously i i only was thinking logically about whether or not i wanted to marry you i was

00:41:06.980 considering the benefits and the downsides and you as an investment that i was engaging in

00:41:12.720 as you should correct and then tate believes that men no longer receive the deference they deserve

00:41:20.660 from women in marriage and bear more risk in divorce which it's true it's true they're more 1.00

00:41:25.900 risk in divorce well no and deference there were so many toxic cultural things i had to get over

00:41:31.680 after we married because i just every example of a wife that i'd been presented with basically

00:41:39.160 was this eye-rolling undermining disrespectful monster i didn't have good examples i think the

00:41:46.680 thing is is good women don't want to be disrespectful to their husbands no but they 1.00

00:41:51.740 don't have any other they don't have a better example to run by so if they're running off

00:41:55.220 templates right but what i'm saying is when you when you we all have an episode that's coming out i

00:41:59.500 don't know it'll come out before this but it'll come out soon is on how to train your wife and it 1.00

00:42:04.160 goes over this like how to go through this and it's mostly not like andrew tate style training it's

00:42:09.080 mostly just sit her down and logically think through this hey when you do this stuff in public it makes me

00:42:14.760 look bad do you want to make me look bad in public and if you're with a woman who's like yes i do

00:42:20.780 you probably don't want to marry that woman but most women will be like you know i don't want to 1.00

00:42:25.380 make you look bad in public like let's talk through how i cannot make you look bad and also i don't even

00:42:29.860 know if we brought this up in the episode yeah we didn't but a really good point you have also made

00:42:35.080 is how does this make you look okay how does this make you look because i think a lot of women don't 1.00

00:42:41.500 think about how toxic and sharp and venomous and cruel they look when they undermine their husbands 0.99

00:42:49.220 yeah like you may think that you're making your husband look like a doofus or that he is a doofus 1.00

00:42:55.320 but you look like a cunt like there's no better way to put it but i mean i was very guilty of this and 1.00

00:43:03.920 i still am guilty of this sometimes but i think you're you're reminding me of that was also like 1.00

00:43:09.300 it reflects poorly on the marriage it hurts the man and it hurts the woman publicly probably hurting

00:43:14.820 the woman the very most yeah yeah no i definitely when i see a woman talk down about her husband or 0.97

00:43:20.340 something like that or try to be sassy because for a longest time women need to be sassy and now 1.00

00:43:26.220 and they took pride in this they took pride in appearing sassy yeah that that is that is less in

00:43:30.540 vogue now encouragingly encouraging well i mean you look at young people today they drink less they do

00:43:35.520 less drugs they go out less they party less and they you know and people can be like oh that's

00:43:39.900 just because they have less money and it's like well they spend more money on takeout you know like

00:43:43.220 yeah they're spending a lot of money they don't have so that's that's not an excuse

00:43:47.060 yeah and then to continue with this part he goes he argues that men should focus on getting strong

00:43:52.200 making lots of money and using but not investing themselves in the opposite sex his evident appeal clips 0.97

00:43:59.460 of tate garner hundreds of millions of impressions on youtube and tiktok

00:44:02.840 would seem to be yet one more sign that our oldest social institution is in trouble so that's

00:44:09.200 how we started the piece and and and i think that this is i actually think that one of the reasons why

00:44:13.660 tate is declining in sort of the public mind share when he was the number one conservative

00:44:19.060 influencer a few years ago uh is that that's not what people want anymore like there was sort of this

00:44:26.620 this height of this generation of red pillars and then people were sort of like but isn't there

00:44:32.480 some other option like okay the way we used to do things doesn't seem to work exactly anymore

00:44:39.980 and the weird you know lifestyle that the urban monoculture imposed on us where women are this 1.00

00:44:46.520 and women are that and and and and they're always the victims and men are the oppressors that seemed

00:44:52.040 really toxic and led to a lot of negative externalities and dating and everything and then there was a

00:44:57.520 reactionary culture to that which was like red pill andrew tate culture but i think that this

00:45:01.860 generation just sort of saw all of those crazy pendulum swings of the last generation and is like

00:45:08.000 can we just find out something that's gonna work like reasonable yeah yeah we just try to be reasonable

00:45:14.740 instead of being like bitter like all you know when they come to you and they go well you know your

00:45:19.340 marriage is likely to fail and it's like yeah but it's not first of all and then second of all

00:45:26.180 if i am considerate about it and i get married to someone i like and i get married to somebody who

00:45:32.620 supports me throughout my life the quality of life that i have access to is so much higher than the

00:45:38.240 individual who doesn't absolutely i have access to is so much higher than the individual who doesn't

00:45:42.840 so why are you trying to suck me in you know your crabs in a bucket mentality the the whole you know 0.82

00:45:48.160 the community will talk about crabs in the bucket with women and they won't admit that that's what 1.00

00:45:51.920 they're doing you know so many of the people who lead you know sort of the don't even try to get

00:45:58.780 married philosophy movement are divorce men you know keep that in mind they're not never married

00:46:04.820 men they're divorced men and you change is actually one of the few never married men in the community

00:46:09.200 but i mean he's functionally married to his brother i mean they they live together they share their

00:46:14.020 wives i i don't think they share their wives i think they share a household and they they share

00:46:19.540 a household with multiple women i promise you they share their wives um because they're not real 0.99

00:46:25.880 wives and both of them think oh you can't commit to one woman and we've shown yeah but i'm i'm sure 0.98

00:46:31.800 they expect that the women commit to them exclusively consider that andrew tate was willing to have his

00:46:38.400 women like i would never have you pretty much no matter what our financial situation was go online 1.00

00:46:44.240 and pretend to have sex with men oh yeah but i think a lot of people draw the line at physical contact

00:46:50.540 but maybe not very interesting i i i personally would not at all be surprised if andrew tate shirts his

00:46:58.520 wife was well i imagine if he did he'd probably be open about it would he though i think he has the

00:47:03.120 common sense to know the controversy that would cause i mean there's that one red pill influencer who

00:47:07.820 decided to share that he liked being cucked and then everybody was like yeah it didn't go well

00:47:12.320 completely destroyed his reputation i think andrew tate would know him sharing wives with his brother

00:47:17.800 would lead to the same fallout they share business ventures and

00:47:21.920 no there's there's no direct evidence or any suggestion they share has he ever said he doesn't

00:47:31.460 has he ever said he doesn't this is there is there any if he doesn't he would definitely say he

00:47:37.060 doesn't because it looks like he does so i'm just like and you know what's funny the marriage between

00:47:44.580 andrew tate and his brother is like basically a traditional marriage they share a house together

00:47:48.760 they respect each other they share responsibilities and business and life so that's true yeah gosh

00:47:54.220 they're in business together i think that yeah they do live together don't they yeah yeah yes andrew

00:47:59.840 tate and his brother tristan tate have shared a house in romania multiple sources confirm they

00:48:07.000 were living together in a luxury villa that was raided by romanian authorities in december 22 20 22

00:48:13.100 but they've never confirmed they don't share women their their history of cohabitating in romania is

00:48:20.740 well documented and their joint business operations suggest they have maintained close proximity yeah i mean

00:48:28.740 yeah yeah they are kind of married that's that's cute no but what i'm saying is it's pretty obvious

00:48:34.500 they're sharing their wives i just i just really don't think i just really don't think they are i

00:48:39.960 guarantee you i guarantee you no no like they're all about like traditional man stuff and the most

00:48:45.860 classic traditional man thing is my woman is dedicated to me and me only i do not oh he's all about

00:48:53.900 brotherhood and stuff like that too and trust of the male tribe above trust of women and women are

00:48:59.820 tools for sex and childbirth come on simone okay yes it does appear that they shared wives and this

00:49:07.640 has been proven in court documents vivian was andrew tate's girlfriend since she was 15 to 16 years old

00:49:13.120 this was something that both she and chat logs showed and evidence from victim statement in the

00:49:19.300 brother's second romanian case made public via u.s via lawsuit filing claims tristan tate pressured her

00:49:24.700 into intercourse involving vivian and another woman vivian said tristan asked me to have intercourse in a 0.92

00:49:31.480 group namely vivian and redacted although i wasn't comfortable with the situation i had no choice it was

00:49:36.660 somehow a duty so it wasn't just that the brother had access to the mothers of tate's children he had

00:49:43.960 access to them for intercourse whenever he wanted and on demand and apparently without checking with

00:49:50.380 his brother which suggests that they were seen as communal property i i am not suggesting that there's 0.72

00:49:54.800 anything gay going on there i'm just saying no no no well no there's nothing gay about sharing

00:49:58.640 female partners and i know like there are some actually quite quite a few several several spontaneously 1.00

00:50:06.560 evolved traditions whereby if a woman's husband dies she is then automatically married to the brother of

00:50:17.080 that man who died i think in one in one african culture though before she marries the brother after her

00:50:25.520 husband dies she has to sleep with another guy to like cleanse herself of the like palate cleanser which is 1.00

00:50:32.940 really weird that's a very weird one well married to the brother who died it's called a levite marriage and it was

00:50:39.100 the traditional jewish yeah i'm referring to some some african culture has the the the sexual palate cleanser 0.97

00:50:47.020 partner that has to take place before the the next marriage but yeah i mean it's so there's there's clearly

00:50:54.700 some some cultural comfort i can't even like imagine what that conversation is like so you know my husband died

00:51:01.400 yeah of course i need to marry his brother now but so are you interested yeah i don't know who makes

00:51:12.200 the selection or if there are dedicated people who are like i'm the stud of this village go come to me

00:51:19.740 when your husband dies i will handle it professionally i have female references you may view your menu of

00:51:27.740 sexual options here i'll i'll be discreet etc i i could see that just how when there was some latin

00:51:34.140 american country that had tax penalties for men who had not married but they could get out of it if

00:51:39.920 they proposed to a woman who rejected him and then there was this this market of women who would for

00:51:44.860 pay reject proposals so i could see there being a market in this particular culture of men who are like

00:51:50.880 i will gladly fulfill this role all right well simone i love you to death you're a great wife

00:51:58.440 i do think marriage is back i do think that it's becoming cool again i think when i really realized

00:52:02.900 this was when i was talking to this person who was very proudly polyamorous before and was like

00:52:07.260 you know i want to represent myself as more like monogamous or monogamous and i was like and also

00:52:12.940 when we interviewed jeffrey miller what was interesting about what he said about marriage was that

00:52:17.120 he or maybe like some class i can't remember if it was his class or someone else's class

00:52:21.720 traditional marriage was referred to as like one of the relationship like alternative relationship

00:52:28.400 formats because it's so you know it's not like now it's radical monogamy which is the trend that's

00:52:36.380 going on in silicon valley these days yeah monogamy but like i'm not a square or anything

00:52:43.860 yeah i love the concept of like marriage have you thought of it oh i don't know

00:52:51.100 i don't want to get that dirty yeah i have a husband who i serve food for oh my gosh oh my gosh

00:52:59.280 and i'm gonna get pregnant we're legally bound to each other what is this the omega verse

00:53:06.000 this is kinky oh god no it's really come to that now so anyway love you to death mom

00:53:11.860 don't love you too oh that's class on contract law that i took that a contract is valid even if

00:53:21.280 it's just an email that somebody replied to is that where our email or didn't happen rule came from

00:53:27.360 no no but i did make a point of and i you know i think a lot of people should it's interesting how

00:53:33.480 much like law isn't taught in school and and so i made a point of when i was younger buying you know

00:53:39.820 like 48 hours worth of lectures on contract law and tort law and going through all of it just to

00:53:45.320 make sure i knew the basics of it and there's so much like obvious stuff well the stuff that like

00:53:50.620 i you know is very useful to know in your life that you may just like you could just learn in that

00:53:58.620 right yeah although and i felt equally empowered but then i feel less empowered now

00:54:03.800 when i see that it it it's almost like law lawlessness now prevails because the courts

00:54:11.480 don't do anything yeah and it's so prohibitively expensive to go to court if you're not representing

00:54:17.540 yourself and even if you are like in terms of your time and stress so a lot of people when when bad

00:54:23.980 things happen they they don't get to rely upon them being on the right side of the law

00:54:30.000 because for them to follow through on that and have justice it's so expensive yeah they literally

00:54:36.440 can't afford you like it's better to pay the bribe it's better to and that's just yeah like we've had

00:54:40.720 instances with our investors where like this person stole a hundred thousand dollars from the company

00:54:44.320 and they're like it's not worth a lawsuit and i was like what do you mean they're like that amount

00:54:48.180 of money is not for a company of your size worth a lawsuit you will lose more money and the instances

00:54:52.920 in which like there was one instance in which they were like yes pursue this person with a lawyer and it

00:54:59.320 just we were tens of thousands of dollars in the hole based on that and absolutely nothing happened

00:55:04.780 from it no justice was brought to them they just they just ghosted all the court orders

00:55:09.560 and didn't do anything and we couldn't afford to take it further after a certain point because 1.00

00:55:17.580 why would we waste even more money yeah but anyway stupid so stupid what do people say about the 0.98

00:55:26.340 episode today oh people really liked seeing jeffrey miller on people enjoy the collaboration 0.99

00:55:31.180 there were a lot of people who were like i don't there were some people who insisted that they

00:55:36.620 would never consider dating at a university which i think is crazy i mean even even though i had zero

00:55:41.660 intention of ever getting married university we place you date i know like well even if you're not

00:55:47.520 considering it as dating like if you refuse to socialize at all while you're at the university

00:55:52.400 like that's you don't understand the value and this is one of the few times where it's very easy

00:55:57.000 to mix with and meet for context university is one of the few times in your life when you are around

00:56:03.500 a large pool of single people that are about your estimated social class because what university you

00:56:09.740 go to is basically your estimated social class that are broadly pre-vetted like these people

00:56:13.480 have passed like basic i've made an effort and that are open to socializing you will never find it

00:56:19.760 that easy to socialize again yeah like you can join a church group you can join a what like club

00:56:25.780 they'd say well you can join a church group outside of university but at university there are a thousand

00:56:31.000 clubs interest groups anything just events just events the way things i mean on on my university

00:56:37.340 campus there were constant there was fall fest there was like all these different parties and weekend

00:56:42.280 events and things you just show up to like tie-dye a t-shirt it was basically like expensive summer

00:56:46.720 there isn't an equivalent of this when you get into the working world there isn't there isn't you can

00:56:51.560 go to events but the people who go to events in in like the the working world age range are typically

00:56:57.280 weirdos failures or married or like just looking to sell something not actually looking to date yeah

00:57:04.500 it's it's very different like try to go to like a local anime club even in like a nice area and and

00:57:10.700 you'll find just like a bunch of weirdos you go to anime club at university you find a bunch of

00:57:13.960 competent people who are interested in anime totally interested in biology okay i was in the

00:57:18.420 biology society and psychology society and the neuroscience society all great people who shared

00:57:21.900 interests with me yeah but i was to join a group like that as an adult it would be weirdos because

00:57:27.280 that's not how you meet people as in like after i think this is why jeffrey miller was talking about

00:57:32.720 tucker max having met his wife at crossfit like there are a few places where you can find conscientious

00:57:39.680 competent people but i mean actually the odds of finding a single person at crossfit you know who's

00:57:46.000 interested like that's also it's tough you know it's kind of impressive that he was still able to

00:57:50.080 do that yeah yeah actually i think an easy rule for our kids because this was what i was taught

00:57:55.500 growing up is you have to get married before you finish your formal education or find the person you're

00:58:01.320 going to marry rather which both my brother and i did when you remember when i graduated undergrad i was

00:58:06.220 like well i still have graduate school but i will find someone to marry at graduate school like 1.00

00:58:10.280 afterwards my prospects get so much worse so this this always been sort of wild to me but anyway

00:58:16.800 i didn't find you at graduate school by the way i found you in between undergrad and graduate school

00:58:20.360 yeah but on our first date you told me you were going to find your wife at graduate school

00:58:23.380 yeah well because i knew i was i was on the basically the first woman i meet at this point going

00:58:29.360 forwards that is interested in me that is competent enough to be my wife is somebody who i'm gonna marry

00:58:33.860 i was your musical chairs chair yes you were my musical chairs chair it's an honor malcolm i'm so

00:58:40.620 glad you were also the best you were also the best that was just luck of the draw though actually

00:58:45.060 it's more like a chair that you complete that took apart and rebuilt after you you're like i guess

00:58:49.800 this is my chair now let's fix it up you made it real nice it worked it worked okay yeah we kind of

00:58:55.180 like each other all right torson what are you doing i'm giving all the dinosaurs to titan you are

00:59:05.280 yeah why are you doing that because i want titan to be happy why do you want titan to be happy

00:59:13.980 because i want titan to be happy does it make you happy when you make titan happy

00:59:20.620 yeah

00:59:21.280 do you want me to go get you the train would that make you happy

00:59:27.620 uh yeah

00:59:28.740 nope i don't have to there you go thank you

00:59:33.740 titan what do you say to toasty

00:59:35.720 thank you you're welcome

00:59:38.300 um okay toasty because you just did a very nice thing i'm gonna go get your trains

00:59:44.140 yay yay yay yay yay yay yay

Based Camp - August 12, 2025

Normies Are Realizing Marriage is Cool (Uh Oh!)

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