Based Camp - NPC Memes and the Next Gender

00:00:00.000 This is not content that is meant to be masturbated to.

00:00:02.820 This is content that's meant to be passively consumed for longer periods of time.

00:00:07.840 I think that type of content may explicitly be appealing to this new type of man who has much lower testosterone and hasn't fully differentiated into a male.

00:00:23.340 Wow.

00:00:23.440 That is what I think is really interesting here, is it's actually like porn, but for the next generation.

00:00:32.820 Would you like to know more?

00:00:34.140 Hello, Malcolm.

00:00:35.940 Hello, Simone. 0.69

00:00:37.120 I am so excited to be talking to you today because we're going to do something new.

00:00:41.200 We're going to try to do something at least semi-topical because we've talked about doing this for a while.

00:00:45.540 And this is on this meme that's been going around of this new style of video within TikTok.

00:00:54.980 And we will have some examples of it play here.

00:00:59.040 Crunchy going, yum.

00:01:02.720 E-ha.

00:01:04.120 Mmm.

00:01:05.180 Pizza, yum.

00:01:07.220 Mmm, ice cream.

00:01:10.820 Mmm, yum, yum.

00:01:13.300 Mmm, bread, yum.

00:01:15.540 Mmm, yum.

00:01:20.800 I'm hungry.

00:01:22.020 Mmm, mmm, mmm.

00:01:22.880 Crunchy corn.

00:01:23.780 Yum.

00:01:27.280 The two most prominent people doing this are Cherry Crush and somebody named Pinky Doll.

00:01:34.360 What I want to get into with this is what is really going on here?

00:01:38.620 Because I think a lot of people are just looking at this and being like, this is absurd.

00:01:43.080 This is weird.

00:01:44.300 This makes me sick.

00:01:45.340 That's a really common response.

00:01:46.880 Yeah, it's like, this is a sign of the degradation of our society.

00:01:50.820 But I actually think that there's a more interesting phenomenon here than that.

00:01:55.940 And the people who are getting engaged with this as content producers, especially these

00:02:00.400 early people, have shown themselves to be incredibly astute, intelligent, and understand

00:02:07.500 aspects of the human condition that we may not have full access to.

00:02:10.960 I also think this might represent a change in human biology that we've been seeing with drops in testosterone

00:02:17.960 and stuff like that, which is something I'm really excited to dig deeper into.

00:02:21.240 But first, let's talk about, I guess I'll start with Cherry Crush.

00:02:30.280 Okay.

00:02:30.680 Because I think it's easy to look at this person. 0.99

00:02:33.220 And because what she's doing is ridiculous, assume that she doesn't like that she's incompetent 0.98

00:02:40.240 or something like that, or she's just your standard like e-thought. 0.50

00:02:43.560 But she's actually been at the forefront of several online phenomenons in a way that's allowed her to monetize them.

00:02:50.620 So two other online phenomenons that she was at the forefront of and has done quite well within.

00:02:56.000 One is the ASMR movement.

00:02:58.140 Okay.

00:02:58.940 You're familiar with ASMR?

00:03:00.220 Do you want to talk to that to some extent?

00:03:01.400 Yes.

00:03:02.440 ASMR involves riffing on a genuine kind of tickling feeling that you can get or tingling feeling that you can get from certain subtle sounds.

00:03:11.700 So examples of ASMR are people like unwrapping delicate things, brushing hair.

00:03:17.360 There's a lot of like overlap between ASMR and also like really childhood-like comforting things.

00:03:22.620 So some ASMR videos are like, I'm going to do your makeup, or I'm going to brush your hair, or I'm going to tuck you in at night.

00:03:29.480 Like it's very infantilizing.

00:03:31.200 And I think that there might be some element of it, but that is independent from the fact that for some people,

00:03:36.800 these delicate ASMR sounds, whispered, tapping, et cetera, can elicit a kind of like tingling down your spine feeling.

00:03:44.880 Okay.

00:03:45.020 So this is really interesting because I think this is something we actually see cross species in species with really advanced auditory cortexes.

00:03:52.600 So in birds and stuff like that, you will see them involuntarily begin to dance.

00:03:57.820 Dance?

00:03:58.220 It's great video of carrots and stuff, involuntarily dancing.

00:04:01.720 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:04:02.920 Yeah.

00:04:03.240 And whenever a sensory system is advanced enough, it appears to be able to fire in weird ways with certain types of complex stimuli.

00:04:13.860 I suspect that this system is very similar to the way you get a positive feeling with, oh, we have got these in our house, these head things that you put on your head to slowly go over.

00:04:27.800 Yes, those things.

00:04:29.020 But, or really gently rubbing fingers across somebody's skin.

00:04:33.760 What you're doing in both of these scenarios is you're very gently stimulating a large amount of a person's sensory system.

00:04:44.100 And I think we call these sexual feelings because we don't have a way of engaging with them outside of sexuality.

00:04:54.660 We're never going to get monetized.

00:04:57.500 We've never made it through an episode where I feel like there's not something that demonetizes us.

00:05:03.200 No, with super normal stimuli, right?

00:05:05.960 You wouldn't find it in a normal environment, but that represents more of a type of stimulation than that system is going to get naturally.

00:05:12.660 And because whenever somebody is just trying to feel an emotion at a maximum context, the way that we contextualize that is almost always sexual, we sometimes have trouble fully appreciating that these systems are not necessarily sexual.

00:05:29.340 They're not necessarily sexual.

00:05:30.000 Yeah, actually, I was just reading some studies this morning about oxytocin levels in different ape groups.

00:05:36.280 And they definitely found that, yeah, sure, sexual interaction would increase oxytocin levels among ape populations, but so would grooming behavior.

00:05:46.380 So if we're picking lice off of each other and brushing our fingers through each other's hair, very similar to what you're talking about, that also is increasing oxytocin levels, this level of bonding, this level of pleasure as well.

00:05:56.680 So you're totally right.

00:05:58.140 And it is so close to sexual, but it's not sexual.

00:06:02.440 And I think that's with ASMR, people are talking a lot about, oh, no, this is definitely a sex thing.

00:06:06.520 This is definitely, and there are ways you can make it sexy for sure, but it's not by definition sexy.

00:06:12.220 Exactly.

00:06:13.020 So I think that, take that aside. 0.60

00:06:15.540 So one, she is on the forefront of new movements with how the internet has learned to engage different aspects of, that an individual might be trying to masturbate, right? 0.97

00:06:27.260 To feel good.

00:06:27.780 You don't have to use that word constantly, to feel good in a non-productive way.

00:06:33.200 Another word, because feeling good doesn't properly capture what I'm saying.

00:06:38.660 What I'm saying is somebody is trying to maximally engage an emotional stimuli system using supernormal stimuli.

00:06:48.020 That's...

00:06:48.420 That is a mouthful.

00:06:49.540 Okay.

00:06:50.160 We'll find a better word.

00:06:52.300 So next, another area where she gained a lot of prominence early on is she was one of the first people to really engage fully with, in pornography, anime-like characters.

00:07:04.100 Mmm.

00:07:05.060 Oh, so she does, like, OnlyFans-style stuff, too?

00:07:08.800 Yeah, I think even straight up more explicit stuff than that.

00:07:12.160 Oh.

00:07:12.420 But in really high-quality prosthetics and wigs.

00:07:17.100 Wow.

00:07:17.540 To look like an elf or something like that from different anime shows.

00:07:21.280 Good for her.

00:07:22.300 No, but this was...

00:07:23.420 No, that's cool.

00:07:23.960 That is an innovation.

00:07:24.880 That is actually a pretty good innovation, because you're like, she is bridging the divide between filmed porn and hentai.

00:07:31.340 That is innovation.

00:07:32.340 Props to her. 1.00

00:07:33.240 No, no, that is innovation.

00:07:34.660 So I think when I see...

00:07:36.160 Wait, do the dudes also look?

00:07:39.020 I don't know.

00:07:39.500 I haven't looked.

00:07:42.180 I've seen...

00:07:43.080 I was reading about her, okay?

00:07:44.760 I don't know.

00:07:45.680 You weren't for research, checking things out.

00:07:50.600 But what I...

00:07:51.440 Yeah, I need to do better research, though.

00:07:53.280 I guess I will.

00:07:54.800 I'm the one who looks at the actual primary materials when it comes to sexuality research.

00:07:59.600 This is somebody who has thoroughly researched and been at the forefront of different ways that the internet is exploiting different aspects of the human psychological condition.

00:08:12.580 Yeah.

00:08:12.800 In terms of maximizing certain stimuli response systems. 0.99

00:08:16.900 So it's not somebody who is an idiot, let's put it in. 0.96

00:08:20.180 Yeah, although she's certainly framing herself that way, but that is to exploit a market opportunity. 1.00

00:08:25.140 She's like an expert trader on Wall Street, finding this amazing arbitrage opportunity.

00:08:31.020 No, no, no. 1.00

00:08:31.300 Oh, you dumb... 1.00

00:08:32.620 No, what? 1.00

00:08:33.480 Ew, sorry, guys.

00:08:34.740 You're wrong here.

00:08:35.660 And she is rolling in it, and you're just sitting at home being poor.

00:08:39.620 And then you've got this other character, Pinky Doll.

00:08:41.560 This is another girl who will show a video of her. 0.97

00:08:45.300 For you.

00:08:47.180 Thank you, Cash.

00:08:48.020 Thank you, Kelo.

00:08:48.740 Yes, yes, yes.

00:08:49.760 Thank you, Arian.

00:08:50.580 Oh, thank you, Samantha.

00:08:51.720 This is so cool.

00:08:52.920 Thank you, Katyn.

00:08:54.080 Thank you, Mills.

00:08:54.700 Thank you, I'm ready.

00:08:55.720 Gang, gang.

00:08:56.680 Oh, thank you, baby.

00:08:57.380 This is...

00:08:57.760 Then you have Pinky Doll, who's the other character who's become very popular in doing this, right?

00:09:01.900 So you could dismiss her, say, okay, she's just jumping on a trend or something like that.

00:09:05.960 Because this wasn't a trend that either of them invented.

00:09:07.700 Somebody got popular doing this, I think, basically accidentally in Japan.

00:09:11.880 And then it became a thing there.

00:09:13.020 And then they were looking for what's the next thing.

00:09:15.640 And that's when they brought this to the U.S.

00:09:17.480 And I've seen this style riffed on in very different contexts.

00:09:21.600 Explain what you mean by that.

00:09:23.100 Like people posting videos like to Reddit and whatnot where they or their girlfriends or their boyfriends are acting like NPCs.

00:09:30.780 And moving like NPCs.

00:09:32.380 And they're really satisfying to watch.

00:09:33.820 But I've not seen it in a feed, streamer, OnlyFans context.

00:09:39.300 Or shorts.

00:09:40.200 Yeah, and I think that this is something different.

00:09:41.980 I think the NPC, I think it's closer to ASMR than it is to anything else.

00:09:45.960 But it is a style.

00:09:47.280 It is stylized and it is satisfying.

00:09:49.740 Like it's a very satisfying thing to watch for some reason.

00:09:52.800 See this crossover between video games and a human.

00:09:55.400 But before we talk too much about it, let's talk about Pinky Doll. 0.99

00:09:59.660 Because I want to establish that neither of these people, they may dress like the way we would aesthetically assume a stupid person would dress. 0.96

00:10:08.380 But I think that's more to please their audience than a sign of their actual intelligence or understanding. 0.91

00:10:14.120 Pinky Doll does a very interesting thing in her videos that is unrelated to this.

00:10:18.340 Which is she will hold...

00:10:19.740 Curling iron.

00:10:20.800 Yeah, curling iron.

00:10:21.880 And in the center of it will be a kernel of popcorn.

00:10:24.500 And she will hold it till it pops.

00:10:27.060 And then she'll go pick up another one and then do it again. 0.99

00:10:29.800 And hand pop entire things of popcorn.

00:10:32.540 And some people, when they're trying to copy the style now, I've seen people, they'll just hold curling irons.

00:10:38.640 Not understanding why she's doing this or what she's doing.

00:10:41.560 Oh no.

00:10:42.680 So what is she actually doing here?

00:10:44.940 She is creating anticipation, which increases viewer watch time.

00:10:50.380 Oh.

00:10:50.740 So if a viewer sees her holding this, they're going to ask, is that what she's doing?

00:10:56.280 I'm going to at least wait to see if this thing pops.

00:10:58.220 If the kernel pops.

00:10:59.200 Yeah.

00:10:59.480 Oh my gosh.

00:11:00.160 And it's also, you've got some operant conditioning in there because you don't know when it's going to pop.

00:11:05.640 It's totally unknown.

00:11:06.540 And it creates cut points for you, the viewer.

00:11:09.900 You are unlikely, if you've been watching for a while and she's been holding it for a while since the last pop, you're not going to want to leave until the next pop.

00:11:18.280 A bit of a one more turn thing.

00:11:20.160 Oh.

00:11:20.460 Because it's created into individual units of time through this system.

00:11:25.520 And as soon as you've just gotten that last dopamine hit from the last pop, you're waiting for the next one.

00:11:31.200 Meanwhile, she's doing this complete other system that's engaging a complete other mental system. 1.00

00:11:37.600 Describe this.

00:11:38.420 Yeah.

00:11:39.640 So let's talk about what this phenomenon is.

00:11:41.540 So the viewers will have seen it.

00:11:43.620 I will have played a few video clips of it.

00:11:45.400 So they'll understand what's going on.

00:11:47.460 But the way that they would frame what they're doing is they are acting like an NPC.

00:11:53.080 And then people will pay for little tokens, hot dogs and stuff like that.

00:11:58.280 And tacos and roses and corn.

00:12:01.060 Yeah.

00:12:01.640 And as they're going up, they'll pretend to eat them and then make a preset noise.

00:12:06.460 Yeah.

00:12:08.120 And there seem to be other things that people can pay for that make them make other reaction

00:12:13.520 noises that sound like NPC noises.

00:12:16.940 They sound prerecorded.

00:12:18.020 So it's not like they're reacting like a human would.

00:12:20.920 It sounds like they're repeating sound bites, if that makes sense.

00:12:24.860 Yes.

00:12:25.320 Yes.

00:12:25.900 And Simone, this is actually really important for our viewers.

00:12:28.340 We're going to need you to do it for the audience.

00:12:33.280 Let's see.

00:12:33.840 They bounce.

00:12:34.700 And then they're kind of like, what does she do?

00:12:38.480 Yum.

00:12:39.160 Corn.

00:12:40.840 Yum.

00:12:41.700 Rose.

00:12:43.040 Yum.

00:12:45.100 What else should she eat?

00:12:48.180 Yum.

00:12:48.760 Corn.

00:12:49.500 I can only think of corn.

00:12:51.380 But yeah.

00:12:51.680 She'll like.

00:12:52.980 Yeah.

00:12:53.520 Okay.

00:12:54.200 Country corn.

00:12:55.440 Yum.

00:12:57.340 Yeah.

00:12:57.780 I'm so sorry I did that to you.

00:12:59.260 No, but the thing is, and when I look at it, like everyone else is like, oh, this is sick.

00:13:04.340 This is, this is perverse, like disgusting, sexy stuff that people are doing. 0.90

00:13:09.140 And I see it.

00:13:10.100 And my first reaction is this is what every mother who's desperate to get her children

00:13:14.260 to eat food is doing all the time.

00:13:15.880 I'm like, this is, this is me and our kids all the time.

00:13:18.260 I'm like, I'm like, eat it.

00:13:20.280 Yes.

00:13:20.720 Oh, yummy.

00:13:21.960 Vitamin.

00:13:23.280 Like that is my day.

00:13:25.200 I think that's a very important point.

00:13:27.240 So let's break out a few things that are happening here.

00:13:29.520 Okay.

00:13:30.380 One is the infantilization of male sexuality.

00:13:34.960 Right.

00:13:36.320 If we can even call it sexuality anymore.

00:13:39.460 Yeah.

00:13:39.680 I think more important to that.

00:13:40.660 I think this is an explicitly sexual act.

00:13:42.840 What is being done in these videos.

00:13:44.000 I do not think this is more like generic ASMR.

00:13:45.980 Women eating emojis. 0.99

00:13:47.680 Yes.

00:13:48.040 And I do think it's an explicitly sexual act, but I think it's different than the way our

00:13:54.680 generation thinks of sexuality.

00:13:56.460 So one of the things that's really important to remember with males is we've looked at something

00:14:00.600 at the 30% drop in testosterone in the past 20 years.

00:14:03.820 We are seeing a change where men, you've seen this with the studies on. 0.87

00:14:09.380 I think you're referring to studies on the effect of at least as measured in first trimester

00:14:16.600 of endocrine disruptors on children, especially boys, and that it seems to be that there's a

00:14:22.900 correlation between higher levels of endocrine disruptors and at least first trimester

00:14:26.660 mother blood samples and shorter anogenital distance.

00:14:31.740 And even later in life, less male sexually divergent behavior, which is to say the boys

00:14:36.440 are acting less like boys.

00:14:37.940 And they're also like, they've become less boys, but like, even when it comes to genital 0.99

00:14:41.900 formation, their penises haven't made it all the way up in their migration. 0.98

00:14:45.140 It's weird, but. 0.99

00:14:46.560 Yeah.

00:14:46.760 So while I think that this behavior, this type of content is meant to appeal to a sexual system, 0.97

00:14:55.120 in our generation, men engaged with sexual systems through full masturbation. 0.97

00:15:00.920 Right. 0.98

00:15:01.660 Okay.

00:15:03.140 Like traditional old fashioned, not the new kind you're describing, but whatever. 0.99

00:15:06.780 This is not content that is meant to be masturbated to.

00:15:09.340 This is content that's meant to be passively consumed for longer periods of time.

00:15:15.220 I think that type of content may explicitly be appealing to this new type of man who has much

00:15:24.200 lower testosterone and hasn't fully differentiated into a male.

00:15:29.740 Wow.

00:15:30.420 That is what I think is really interesting here, is it's actually like porn, but for the next

00:15:38.260 generation. 0.99

00:15:39.520 The frogs have been turned gay and now they like watching NPCs eat emojis. 0.99

00:15:44.780 Is that what you're saying? 0.99

00:15:45.940 This is the thing.

00:15:47.100 We expected the frogs to turn gay and the rate of people identifying as LGBT has exploded. 1.00

00:15:55.120 Yeah. 0.96

00:15:55.240 So yes, a portion are definitely turning gay.

00:15:59.040 But more importantly, what you're saying is this isn't about changing sexual orientation. 0.99

00:16:03.000 Of course, our argument is there is gay, straight is also an incredibly stupid kind of distinction 0.99

00:16:06.880 to make. 0.98

00:16:07.380 But more broadly, sexuality is changing across the board.

00:16:11.600 And with lower testosterone levels, you're going to get all sorts of weird attraction.

00:16:16.480 And we've talked with prominent people in the MGTOW space.

00:16:19.860 For example, we are going to have on soon.

00:16:22.020 We've already recorded the interview.

00:16:23.600 Sandman MGTOW, who has had a lot of really thoughtful things to say about what has happened

00:16:28.220 to generations of men.

00:16:30.000 And he too is observing like pretty significant shifts in sexual behavior.

00:16:33.520 I think we're seeing this and many people are seeing this and it's showing up in weird

00:16:37.600 ways.

00:16:37.920 And I think, yeah, you're totally right.

00:16:39.060 People are missing the beat when they see Cherry Crush and they see, oh my gosh, the

00:16:44.080 pinky doll. 1.00

00:16:44.860 And they just like, they can't understand it because there's literally a new evolution

00:16:50.040 of mindset that they can't wrap their heads around.

00:16:53.480 They're biologically not. 1.00

00:16:55.040 I couldn't masturbate to like gay male porn, right? 0.99

00:16:59.240 I'm just not going to understand the appeal of that content, but I can't conceptually 0.99

00:17:04.220 understand it's appealing to someone.

00:17:06.440 Yeah.

00:17:06.700 This seems to appeal to a semi-male, like a male who might not be fully gendered differentiated.

00:17:13.120 And this is something that we hear throughout the manosphere.

00:17:15.920 Like you were referring to this interview with Sandman.

00:17:18.920 And one of the things he was referring to is a very interesting thing in this sort of new

00:17:22.020 men's movement are these men who can't find partners, but they're not even looking for

00:17:29.740 partners.

00:17:30.480 Yeah.

00:17:30.660 They no longer, they are both incels, but also don't care that they're incels.

00:17:36.440 They don't feel this strong desire to go out and have this need fulfilled in the way that

00:17:42.400 previous generations did.

00:17:43.520 There's a difference there.

00:17:44.500 And that's likely a biological change.

00:17:47.440 And so this content may be content that wouldn't have appealed to men before.

00:17:51.800 So let's talk about what makes it different and what makes it so brilliant.

00:17:57.080 It's not content that's designed to be like masturbated to, to release, like in a traditional

00:18:02.740 context. 0.66

00:18:03.680 Right.

00:18:04.040 It's not content that it's very infantilized content, right?

00:18:09.180 It's literally how I talk to our children when I'm begging them to eat food.

00:18:12.600 Yeah.

00:18:13.080 Yeah.

00:18:13.800 And it is very methodical and turn off your brain content in that they're engaging multiple

00:18:23.080 systems like the popping corn and the other thing where it's literally like a direct brain

00:18:28.400 hack.

00:18:28.800 And people are sitting there allowing their brain to be hacked with this system.

00:18:35.480 Nobody's coming out of one of these sessions thinking like that was such a productive.

00:18:39.600 Yeah.

00:18:39.940 Like I'm a different person now.

00:18:42.280 Yeah.

00:18:44.100 I mean, what are your thoughts?

00:18:45.680 Do you think that this theory is?

00:18:47.800 Yeah.

00:18:48.100 I do think that this is part of a new wave of, of human sexuality.

00:18:51.580 I also think that, that maybe the infantilization is not, they're not necessarily tied together.

00:18:58.900 I think that infantilization is something that is separately being societally imposed upon

00:19:04.500 youth and that there's something that we can do about that.

00:19:06.600 I think it's going to take a lot of work, a lot of regulation and a lot of money to lower

00:19:11.620 exposure to endocrine disruptors in a way that could bring human sexuality back to something.

00:19:17.000 They don't care.

00:19:18.620 Yeah.

00:19:18.900 Talk about this recent study about trans people.

00:19:21.320 Yeah.

00:19:22.100 A bunch of scientists essentially said in a paper that there's no need to have a pregnant 1.00

00:19:29.620 person who is a trans man stop taking androgens. 0.70

00:19:34.500 They said that it would be unethical to research whether or not it hurts a baby for somebody to

00:19:41.500 transition while pregnant because asking that question would be attempting to 0.99

00:19:46.920 maximize the health outcome of the child and attempting to maximize the health outcome of

00:19:52.120 the child is intrinsically eugenic.

00:19:54.140 It's not even transitioning.

00:19:56.100 It's, it is maintaining your transitioned position as well.

00:19:59.440 Okay.

00:20:00.280 You'd, you'd need to keep taking androgens.

00:20:02.480 But the point being is they refuse to research this because attempting to help a child,

00:20:10.060 they call it maximizing the health outcome of the infant was eugenic in their mind.

00:20:14.940 So what you're saying is, is overall society, isn't that interested in not disrupting our

00:20:21.220 endocrine system.

00:20:22.100 It's not just disinterested.

00:20:24.060 If you said something like we need to get these pollutants out of the environment, what

00:20:27.060 they would say is, so what?

00:20:28.700 So babies are healthier.

00:20:30.060 Isn't that eugenics trying to make. 0.94

00:20:32.780 Well, especially if like the primary issue that seems to come out from the research has

00:20:37.720 to do with like reproductive fitness or gender problems, then I could see there being a lot 1.00

00:20:41.800 less interest in at least among, we'll say predominantly progressive circles.

00:20:46.440 So like, I don't know, are you so angry about people coming out a little different gender

00:20:50.040 wise?

00:20:50.340 What are you so afraid of, et cetera?

00:20:52.060 Yeah.

00:20:52.300 So maybe that's a problem, but yeah, I think infantilization is different and I really do

00:20:56.340 wonder what's going on there.

00:20:57.060 I also really want to show these videos.

00:21:00.180 I want to, I want our kids to see cherry crush.

00:21:02.740 I want our kids to watch pinky doll and I want to see how they react.

00:21:06.880 And if there is into her as I expect them to be, because I think they're going to be equally

00:21:12.080 entranced.

00:21:12.760 And to me, that would be a sign that this is a very like infant style or not toddler style

00:21:18.620 or our boys are toddlers, but they, I think they've seen similar content and been pretty

00:21:23.020 into it.

00:21:23.540 I don't, I actually, I'm going to put, I think they may not be really, I guess Blippi 1.00

00:21:28.900 is a lot more intellectually engaging than, and that's, what's interesting is these kids

00:21:33.220 shows we're showing them are much more intellectually engaging than stuff that adults are engaging

00:21:37.520 with.

00:21:37.840 Yeah.

00:21:38.440 But also just the willful turning off of your brain to engage with this content in any sort

00:21:43.960 of a long form scenario and that you're paying to do this.

00:21:47.760 You're paying to feel like you have some interaction with this person.

00:21:51.520 Like what?

00:21:51.940 Oh yeah.

00:21:53.480 You have to pay.

00:21:54.200 So presumably one pays for the emojis that are being consumed.

00:21:58.760 Yes.

00:21:59.260 Yeah.

00:21:59.820 Oh, I wonder how much they cost.

00:22:02.920 Like a dollar.

00:22:03.980 That means it's like a lot of money for, I'm just thinking, geez.

00:22:08.940 Yeah.

00:22:09.440 I would love to see where this goes.

00:22:11.360 I would also like, now that you've pointed out that especially Cherry Crush is a pioneer

00:22:15.760 in online human comfort seeking and diversion.

00:22:21.180 I would love to see what she does next.

00:22:23.640 I would love to, if she ever wants to come on the podcast and talk with us about her brilliant

00:22:29.600 methods.

00:22:30.000 I would love to interview her.

00:22:32.260 Or Pinky Doll. 1.00

00:22:33.340 Oh, Pinky Doll too.

00:22:34.440 Especially, yeah.

00:22:35.080 Like with the curling iron.

00:22:36.340 Like how did she figure that out?

00:22:38.240 What was the strategy behind it?

00:22:40.060 What is she looking at doing next?

00:22:41.760 She might not want to show her cards, but.

00:22:43.560 Yeah.

00:22:43.880 I'm so glad you found Pinky Doll.

00:22:45.260 And as I said, Cherry Crush is 32.

00:22:48.240 Like again, I think.

00:22:49.080 She's 32 years old? 0.98

00:22:50.300 Yeah.

00:22:50.560 There's this perception that these are like young e-thoughts instead of like business

00:22:54.900 women where this has been their primary income stream for the past decade of their 1.00

00:22:58.820 lives.

00:22:59.380 Amazing.

00:22:59.880 You know, that's, it's a very different scenario and you have to become good at these

00:23:05.880 systems.

00:23:06.780 And through that, you can understand aspects of how appetites are changing.

00:23:11.640 And I think that there's always this natural reaction where if something's different,

00:23:15.260 from what you like, or it is culturally approved within your group, you react, you say that's 0.93

00:23:19.880 disgusting, that's pathetic, that's the fall of society, but different. 0.69

00:23:24.400 In this case, I do think that they're appealing to, I'd almost call it like a new gender, like 1.00

00:23:30.600 the semi-male.

00:23:32.360 Do you think they're, I guess their audiences are primarily male?

00:23:35.640 Yeah.

00:23:36.420 Hormonally, I am pretty sure that this is basically a new gender. 1.00

00:23:39.980 I love that you just pronounced hormones the way that Bronze Age pervert spells it. 0.99

00:23:45.900 W-H-O-R-E-M-O-A-N-S. 1.00

00:23:48.900 Yeah, no.

00:23:49.780 Hormones are changing.

00:23:51.340 They are.

00:23:51.860 I do think that hormonally we're dealing with a potentially a new gender. 1.00

00:23:56.620 And this is one of the first ways we're seeing people engage with that gender.

00:23:59.340 But I'm interested in what happens next.

00:24:02.780 Because I think that the next big movement in men's rights is a group of men that just 1.00

00:24:10.140 doesn't feel biologically motivated to go after women.

00:24:14.080 But that has existed.

00:24:15.760 It's a vegetarian man in Japan.

00:24:17.580 Yeah.

00:24:17.800 So maybe this has been around longer in Japan.

00:24:20.040 But then, I don't know, actually, you look at Japan and you look at like the...

00:24:25.480 It started in Japan, by the way.

00:24:26.880 This was invented in Japan.

00:24:28.000 So there's this Venn diagram of otaku and idol lovers and everything.

00:24:35.280 And then vegetarian men.

00:24:37.280 And yeah, it makes perfect sense that this would come from Japan.

00:24:39.820 Because the whole anime world is very similar to this.

00:24:45.620 I wonder, actually, people talk a lot about how there's this problematic interest that

00:24:52.700 many otaku men have in very youthful, young, high-pitched voice.

00:24:57.600 It's like anime girls. 0.90

00:24:59.300 Now, they always say that's because they're pedo bears.

00:25:03.380 But really, is it that they're more infantilized?

00:25:06.800 It's like this infantilized mindset and lifestyle.

00:25:09.180 It's not pita bears.

00:25:10.940 It's Peter Pan's.

00:25:12.320 You know what I mean?

00:25:12.980 Well, I'd actually say that the bigger trend now is not within these communities towards

00:25:18.480 that stuff.

00:25:19.120 I'd say it's actually towards mama-like figures.

00:25:23.500 If you look at one of the recent big...

00:25:26.460 I'm sorry to say, what have been the two big sexual figures in the online space that

00:25:31.300 have arisen recently?

00:25:32.500 Who?

00:25:32.820 The two I would think of is Resident Evil giant mama lady, who is this eight-foot-tall, 1.00

00:25:38.140 giant, sexy mama lady. 0.99

00:25:39.900 Isn't Resident Evil the zombie thing? 0.96

00:25:43.420 Yes.

00:25:44.200 You are not that...

00:25:46.020 You're clearly engaged in female online spaces. 1.00

00:25:49.040 I can promise you, every single male viewer knows exactly what I'm talking about.

00:25:54.320 Okay, commenters weigh in, because I think Malcolm is too niche.

00:25:58.040 They'll all be like, oh yeah, Resident Evil lady.

00:26:00.320 We'll see, Malcolm.

00:26:00.900 And then the other one I would think of would be Bowserette. 0.95

00:26:04.440 Bowser.

00:26:05.020 Bless her. 0.97

00:26:05.480 I think very clearly a trans allegory or a trans-like character, where it is Bowser

00:26:13.300 presenting as a woman, often in finely realized relationships with Mario.

00:26:21.300 A lot of the things, like the song around this, are based around this idea that men should

00:26:27.120 just go out with other men who have transitioned, and both of them would be happy.

00:26:30.900 Because women have nothing on that. 1.00

00:26:32.620 That's that women never really appreciate men, really, like in a deep way. 1.00

00:26:37.400 And that's what this character, to some extent, represents.

00:26:40.000 Other people would be like, oh no, it's just hot.

00:26:42.260 And it's, how is it hot?

00:26:44.360 I don't know.

00:26:45.420 I'm more in, I'm more, I'm leaning toward in this conversation, like a Peter Pan camp.

00:26:50.100 Because we can't, neither of us can model this mindset.

00:26:52.680 But I think this mindset is more eternally youthful, like pretty cute, energetic, and drawn

00:26:59.740 to that, sometimes from the darkness, from a dark place, from a hopeless place.

00:27:04.620 That kind of equally infantilized, but hopeful and energetic kind of just energy, I think,

00:27:12.120 is what we're seeing maximized as a super stimuli in these videos.

00:27:17.800 So.

00:27:18.240 Yeah.

00:27:18.500 Talk followers can let us know.

00:27:19.620 I think it's an interesting concept that we might.

00:27:23.640 A trend to watch.

00:27:24.780 New genders essentially emerging as the pollutants in our environment are changing this next generation 1.00

00:27:31.460 of men and women.

00:27:33.100 One man's pollutant is another man's magical pill to make people cooler.

00:27:39.140 Just saying.

00:27:41.260 Whatever.

00:27:42.060 It's a wild ride, and I'm here for it.

00:27:44.460 And I.

00:27:45.560 Well, not really.

00:27:46.700 I think it's causing a lot of suicidality, a lot of unhappiness, a lot of unfulfillment.

00:27:51.460 I do not think that humans were optimized around this new type of gender expression.

00:27:55.860 And I think that the people who are trapped within it, it's not a good thing.

00:27:59.960 It would be better if we could get this stuff out of our environment.

00:28:02.440 But.

00:28:02.560 I don't know. 0.99

00:28:03.000 I think being a frustrated, a sexually frustrated young man would suck way harder. 0.92

00:28:08.480 If I had to grow up in this modern world, and I could choose to be indifferent and in 0.99

00:28:14.200 a new gender dimension versus a very sexually frustrated young man with a very high sex drive, 0.90

00:28:21.980 oh my God, I would choose the other way. 0.76

00:28:24.260 Yeah.

00:28:24.520 I suppose, especially if you're born into this progressive urban monoculture.

00:28:28.160 Come on, man.

00:28:29.240 No, even not.

00:28:30.140 Look at very patriarchal, traditional, like honor-based cultures where like women and men

00:28:37.560 are highly segregated and the men are definitely like much more like high testosterone, et cetera. 0.99

00:28:42.760 These men look miserable. 0.97

00:28:44.060 There are rapes, like the free radicals in those societies. 1.00

00:28:46.720 I don't think that's true at all, Simone.

00:28:48.080 I think successful men in those cultures are not miserable.

00:28:50.800 Oh, no, no, no.

00:28:52.520 Of course, the successful men.

00:28:54.420 Oh, yeah.

00:28:54.820 The 100% are doing just fine.

00:28:56.140 But I think the majority of men in these cultures are successful.

00:28:59.000 I think like 70%.

00:29:00.220 I think that the old ways very much still do work in our modern society.

00:29:05.900 In a monogamous society, I'm not thinking about monogamous societies.

00:29:10.240 I'm thinking about-

00:29:11.140 What, you're saying our society isn't monogamous?

00:29:12.980 It's not, but within these cultural groups, it is.

00:29:15.740 You go to Mormon communities, for example.

00:29:18.000 I'm not referring to like Christian communities, like the ones I'm thinking about.

00:29:20.660 That's what I'm talking about.

00:29:22.300 Oh.

00:29:22.620 What I'm saying is this, if you're born, yeah, it does make sense that you're not cursed

00:29:27.740 with wanting something if you're born in an already fallen cultural group that's not

00:29:32.280 really able to deliver you happiness.

00:29:34.500 At least you have less desires.

00:29:36.400 I can agree with that.

00:29:38.100 However, I do think that whatever survives of humanity is likely cultural groups that 0.97

00:29:43.440 are going to be interested in protecting themselves from these pollutants.

00:29:46.760 Our audience can give us their thoughts in the comments.

00:29:49.040 This is definitely one of those areas where we have not fully thought through this yet.

00:29:53.460 Yeah.

00:29:54.880 It's really cool.

00:29:55.940 Tell us what you think.

00:29:56.940 And Malcolm, I look forward to-

Based Camp - July 25, 2023

NPC Memes and the Next Gender

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