Based Camp - NY Times： The Vitalists Will Replace the Weak!？

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I just read an article that shook me because it was an op-ed in the New York Times.

00:00:06.380 It came out very recently. It seems to have potentially been instigated by our

00:00:09.860 pro-natalist advocacy. That was one of the most based things I have ever read in an ultra-progressive

00:00:15.340 newspaper, but coded in a way that hid how based it was. You have to, if they actually framed it as

00:00:22.140 not being progressive, then no one would read it. I will read a quote from it before we go into it

00:00:27.140 deeper just to give our audience like an idea of what to expect. Okay. Have the child, practice the

00:00:33.500 religion, found the school, support the local theater, the museum, the opera, or the concert hall.

00:00:39.540 Even if you can see it all on YouTube, pick up the paintbrush, the ball, and the instrument. Learn the

00:00:45.060 language even if there's an app for it. Learn to drive even if you think Waymo or Tesla will drive

00:00:50.740 for you. Put up headstones. Don't burn your dead. Sit with the child. Open the book and read.

00:00:56.800 As the bottleneck titans, all survival will depend on heating once again the ancient

00:01:02.080 abnomition I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore, choose life that 0.72

00:01:08.580 you and your offspring may live. But if we don't burn our bodies, we can't turn the carbon into

00:01:14.340 diamonds. You can't do biodiesel. He's an anti-biodiesel activist. He doesn't want us to turn

00:01:21.160 the poor and the old into biodiesel. Confirmed progressive. I mean, I'm all for Tibetan sky

00:01:28.440 burials, but I'm pretty sure they're illegal in the United States. I love that that's what you

00:01:33.020 focus on. Yeah. I thought that was an interesting one there that you might even ask AI why he's

00:01:37.640 asking us to not burn dead people. Burying the dead. I mean, especially if you're doing it in a

00:01:43.240 graveyard, that's not very, I would say, environmentally friendly or sustainable. If you're doing it in your

00:01:47.780 backyard, I mean, that's great. But also that could lead to property sale problems, future crime

00:01:54.080 issues, because they all assume it's a, you know. But Simone, that's not the whiter point here.

00:01:58.760 No, really. But yeah, no, hearing that, whoa. There are enough keywords in there to say,

00:02:03.760 I am a progressive and this is a progressive editorial. Like opera, museum. Opera, yes. 100%.

00:02:09.080 Yeah. Keywords. He starts, if you look at the beginning of it, it's also that we personally are doing.

00:02:14.480 Have the child, practice the religion, found the school. Do you think he knows what we're working 0.96

00:02:21.240 on? Or he's like, yeah, that's the most vitalist things you could do. And they're trying to wake

00:02:26.960 the left up to this. And I just don't know if it's doable when 17% of the left, not 70%, sorry,

00:02:31.160 70% of Americans, so this might be like 40% of the left, says that by a survey that we did,

00:02:36.660 that the planet would be better if no humans existed. Things would be better. So any thoughts

00:02:42.080 before we go deeper into this? Let's go deeper. This is a good sign though. I want to see where

00:02:50.500 you're taking this and what their point of their article was. Yeah, there's been so many New York

00:02:55.340 Times articles on us in the past weeks. We've had, I'd say maybe eight articles referenced us in the

00:02:59.700 New York Times or maybe 10 in the past two weeks. And a number of them have been op-eds and some of

00:03:05.020 them are just like crazy. Like I don't go into the ones that are just like crazy in a not fun way.

00:03:08.860 Like one of them was like, you can solve this with immigration. Like that's, they said the new 0.99

00:03:14.600 pro-natalist movement is going to fail. The MAGA pro-natalist movement. It's like, what? Like

00:03:19.640 you can't solve this with immigration. Like we can't talk about this. Will someone listen to us? 1.00

00:03:25.600 But okay. I'm not, I'm not talking about like ethically. I mean, like logistically,

00:03:29.280 like it would be very difficult, but let's get into this.

00:03:32.560 And this was written by somebody called by Ross Dow, Dow with that, but, and I'm just reading

00:03:41.180 the best parts, the parts I found most interesting. Awesome. But the age of digital revolution,

00:03:45.020 the time of the internet and the smartphone and the incipient era of artificial intelligence

00:03:50.680 threatens an especially comprehensive call. It's forcing the human race into what evolutionary

00:03:56.000 biologists call a quote unquote bottleneck, a period of rapid pressure that threatens cultures,

00:04:01.760 customs, and peoples with extinction. Like that's remarkably on the nose for what we say.

00:04:08.340 He's saying. Good. Someone on the progressive side needs to say it.

00:04:11.960 Yes. Ethnic groups are going to go extinct. Like when college students struggle to read passages 1.00

00:04:17.720 longer than a phone size paragraph and Hollywood struggles to compete with YouTube and TikTok,

00:04:24.440 that's the bottleneck putting the squeeze on traditional art forms like novels and movies.

00:04:29.160 Now this is interesting because this is where we would push back.

00:04:31.580 We're like, well, those traditional art forms have been captured by, you know, memetic viruses to

00:04:36.980 the point where if I want authentic entertainment, I'm only going to find that within the decolonized 1.00

00:04:43.400 parts of the internet, like YouTube, you know, like the podcast scene. And that's why so many people

00:04:47.800 are moving there. Oh my gosh, you just appropriated decolonized. That's fun.

00:04:52.640 Yes. We are decolonizing the right. Oh my God. That'd be a great name for like the next 1.00

00:04:58.540 natal con talk. No, no, no. You're, you're decolonizing the term. No, sorry. I don't know.

00:05:04.460 Yeah. We're decolonizing. No, no, no, no. But like, sorry. You're aware of the fact that it's an

00:05:08.120 extremely leftist thing to say that they're decolonizing something. Like I'm decolonizing

00:05:12.160 history. I'm decolonizing fashion. I'm decolonizing whatever, because they're trying to just remove

00:05:17.640 white imperialism from it. I just find it entertaining that you're saying that. 0.60

00:05:21.340 And I'm going to keep using it this way because it will annoy leftists.

00:05:24.300 We are, we are decolonizing. Well, no, but like, yeah, one of, one of the

00:05:26.360 listeners called the, the progressive, sorry, the progress flag, the colonizers flag, which is just

00:05:32.220 so true because there's nothing more imperialistic and white than the urban culture. So you're, 0.87

00:05:37.940 I mean, you're still correct. And that's why it's really fun. I just, sorry. Let me stop derailing

00:05:42.660 us. Let's go through this. No, no, no, no. I mean, I like, I want that name to catch on the

00:05:45.800 colonizers flag. I want everyone, every time they talk about that, call it the colonizers flag. This

00:05:49.340 is a weird. It's legit decolonization. If we're talking about removing the urban monoculture from

00:05:54.040 a space or removing woke cancel culture from a space, because that is, that is, that is the

00:05:59.240 colonizer force. 100% colonizer flag, colonizing forces. Yes. But I also think what you hear in this

00:06:05.000 is a lot of people, when they talk about the new right, you know, they're like, well,

00:06:09.080 you guys don't seem to care about the traditions of our culture in the same way that the old right 0.95

00:06:15.400 did. And we point out to them, we go, that's not part of the right-wing coalition anymore.

00:06:19.040 The people who go to concert halls and orchestras and all of that, that's the left now. Like we are

00:06:26.200 about building something new that works and understanding that we need to declare bankruptcy

00:06:30.360 on a lot of these institutions. And this is, and there's just no way to fix it because they're

00:06:34.760 just too colonized at this point. And, and there's not an audience for them. Like culture

00:06:38.880 changes, culture evolves. And that's a good thing, right? You know, it is trying to maintain a

00:06:44.200 cultural stasis. That's a bad thing, but the urban monoculture, because it is a dominant culture

00:06:48.220 wants cultural stasis. It wants to preserve the concert halls. It wants to preserve the museums and

00:06:55.240 the, and the, and the, you know, art studios and the, we'll get into more here. When daily newspapers

00:07:02.380 and mainline Protestant denominations and elk lodges fade away into irrelevance, when sit-down

00:07:07.180 restaurants and shopping malls and colleges begin to trace the same descending arc, that's the

00:07:11.980 bottleneck tightening around the old forms of suburban middle-class existence. And here we are like,

00:07:17.120 well, I mean, maybe the elk lodges aren't needed anymore, right? Like maybe the mainline Protestant 1.00

00:07:22.520 denominations have become corrupted and we need a religious revival in the United States.

00:07:27.300 Maybe daily newspapers became propaganda pieces and we are trying to decolonize news, decolonize

00:07:37.300 Christianity. No, but what I'm saying is interesting here. You know, the things he's, he's allotting

00:07:42.480 restaurants and shopping malls, they're, they're an idea of this nostalgic ideal of an America,

00:07:49.700 not of the 1950s, but of the 1980s of stranger things. And it's not that the culture of the,

00:07:56.540 that the left sees with some degree of, of reverence. Thoughts?

00:08:01.440 I want to get back to the article.

00:08:03.040 Okay. When moderates and centrists look around and wonder why the world isn't going their way,

00:08:08.800 why the future seems to belong to weird bespoke radicalisms, to Luigi Mangione admirers and World

00:08:16.460 War II revisionists, that's the bottleneck crushing the old forms of consensus politics,

00:08:21.420 the low key ways of relating to political debates. And here, I mean, what I really see him saying is

00:08:27.140 why can the non vitalistic groups, because the groups that he's pointing to are the vitalist

00:08:31.360 groups. There are the groups that are like, yeah, let's go all in. Let's build something better.

00:08:35.960 Let's fight the system, whether it's on the right or the left, you know, and he tried to choose

00:08:40.920 examples from both. And yet, you know, I think we're seeing more and more alliance of the true

00:08:46.140 radicals of the right and left. And I think that this is one of the things that I've noticed

00:08:50.400 recently in some of the calls, I mean, we see how they end up doing the pieces and stuff like that.

00:08:55.420 But there have been like one of the podcasters who reached out to us and seemed genuinely

00:08:59.700 sympathetic to us is a podcaster called Diabolical Lies that does apparently it's a fairly popular

00:09:04.900 podcast. It's got like 500 reviews on Apple reviews. By the way, give us reviews on Apple

00:09:08.860 reviews if you're watching the podcast. We really appreciate it. Even if you're not,

00:09:12.000 it's like hard to get reviews. I think we're like at 50 or a hundred now. We'll see. But anyway,

00:09:16.580 so she, and you can only do it if you have like an Apple, you know, so she was like, look, I'm like

00:09:24.560 a Marxist feminist, but like you guys are making a lot of good points. So we'll see how she goes into 1.00

00:09:30.540 this. But I suspect what we might see is more an alliance of the new right tech right and old

00:09:37.460 lefty radicals. You know, we talked to somebody like Spoon, who's like a monarchist or the aristocratic

00:09:42.980 we had on the show not long ago. And, you know, he started as like a staunch Bernie bro, right?

00:09:48.480 You know, I think shoe on head is increasingly realizing that she is actually on the right

00:09:53.760 and not on the left at all. And then her allies are on the right. And then we're seeing the weird

00:09:58.500 horseshoe thing, which it's, it's legit. You, you've got that and you've got the

00:10:02.980 crunchy to alt-right pipeline. It, a lot of us want the same thing.

00:10:09.160 Maha movement, everything like that. Make America healthy. Again, the, the left, the political

00:10:14.380 establishment left in this country has become the party of the status quo of this form of nostalgia

00:10:19.060 in the same way that the right was that in the nineties. And now the right is this new, like

00:10:23.060 vitalistic, like we can do things better. Like let's strip this out. Let's rebuild, which is

00:10:27.160 really fascinating to me. Yeah.

00:10:31.840 When young people don't date or marry or start families, that's the bottleneck coming for the most

00:10:37.560 basic human institutions of all. And when, because people don't pair off and reproduce nations age 0.90

00:10:44.200 and diminish and die away. When depopulation sweeps East Asia and Latin America and Europe,

00:10:49.140 as it will. And then you had like a hyperlink there. That's the last squeeze, the tightest part

00:10:54.520 of the bottleneck, the literal die-off. What's that?

00:10:58.860 Yeah. It's, it's very strange to hear someone in a non-negative context on the New York Times

00:11:07.300 talking about demographic collapse in a more sentimental way. And I guess feeling safe about

00:11:14.740 it. Maybe in the comments, there's a bunch of people saying, it's good if people die off,

00:11:21.360 we should die off. People are human. They're terrible. What are you saying? 0.92

00:11:24.580 But it just, it just surprises me because every time I see a conservative write something like

00:11:29.880 that, even if it's the same words as used in that sentence, there's someone in the comments saying,

00:11:36.080 no, humans are terrible. We should die off. That's, that's the best for the world. 0.99

00:11:41.020 This isn't just a normal churn where travel agencies go out of business or Netflix replaces VCR.

00:11:47.380 Everything that we take for granted is entering the bottleneck. And for anything that you care about,

00:11:51.900 from your nation to your worldview, to your favorite art form, to your family, the key

00:11:56.780 challenge of the 21st century is making sure that it's still there on the other side.

00:12:02.080 He's describing the crucible. We always talk about the age of the Lotus eaters. We always talk about. 1.00

00:12:07.660 Did you find anything or?

00:12:09.840 So the, the top recommended comment on the article isn't what I expected, but it's still,

00:12:15.280 I would say representative of one of the major progressive views, though, not the anti-natalist one.

00:12:21.900 Someone wrote from Erie, Pennsylvania, an interpretation. I appreciate Dothat's

00:12:27.420 intellectual depth. His essays here are often the most profound, but there's also pervading

00:12:32.180 nostalgia in his writing, a perception of doom and gloom. I think Jefferson had it right. People

00:12:36.860 should pursue their happiness. The rise of cosmopolitanism is mostly a good thing. Nations

00:12:42.620 and nationalism was overly tribal. It culminated in two world wars. We must look to our common

00:12:49.120 humanity. What I'm reading from that is let's just have fun. Let's just be, let's not think

00:12:54.320 about it. Let's just go to plays. Let's not work hard. Let's not learn the language. And Oh,

00:12:59.880 then, you know, the, one of the other, Oh, this actually got more recommendations by

00:13:03.960 Sean O'Dwyer in Cairo, New York with 998 recommendations. So this comment was more upvoted,

00:13:10.000 but for whatever reason, didn't get as highly ranked. He writes, this was an interesting read,

00:13:15.380 but my gut says it's written by a conservative guy who mostly just feels threatened by change.

00:13:20.540 He admits he's very online. And to me, that shows the pieces dripping with kind of screen

00:13:25.720 induced despair. What he doesn't mention though, is how many people are exhausted by the digital

00:13:30.600 churn and actively seeking more grounded embodied lives. That gives me hope. I'm making a real pie

00:13:36.620 tonight. All my friends are readers. There's still a world offline and it's alive and well.

00:13:41.640 I'm making a real pie tonight. He's making a real pie. He's attacking, but he's, he's, he's,

00:13:47.660 he's, he's, he thinks that the author is a conservative, which was what I was expecting

00:13:55.320 to see more here. And he it's, it's actually a long comment, but it ends with, so it ends up

00:14:00.000 reading like another old guy railing at change piece with a lyrical end times flair. I get the

00:14:05.120 impulse. Things are shifting fast, but I think we need more curiosity about what's being born,

00:14:09.480 not just elegies for what's fading. Again, I get hope from this because he's, he is expressing

00:14:15.480 not an anti-natalist negative utilitarianism view. He's going to go offline and make a pie.

00:14:21.720 And his biggest complaint is this guy sounds like a closet conservative, afraid of change.

00:14:26.000 The thing is, is I think what they don't realize is not a closet conservative. This is what the

00:14:30.580 modern left is. The new conservative movement wants change. You know, this is what you see the

00:14:35.080 left is. Can you believe that Trump is changing the way government works? Can you believe that

00:14:39.060 Elon's changing the way these systems work? Can you believe it's like a, a fanatical fear of

00:14:44.780 change? And what's the next comment, by the way, these are fun before I go further.

00:14:52.200 I am.

00:14:53.600 Well, you can find another fun one.

00:14:54.800 Yeah. Yeah. Here's so Jake, who got recommended 199 times, writes in an overpopulated world,

00:15:02.740 a low birth rate is only a bad thing. If you follow capitalism, like a cult member,

00:15:07.140 low birth rates are obviously good unless growth is your God.

00:15:13.460 So no one's in support of the piece. I'll keep reading.

00:15:17.020 Well, no, Brad also, but then it's like, I think one of the more common short, low effort comments

00:15:22.440 is giving this man shame about being concerned about demographic collapse. Because Brad from

00:15:27.600 Australia also writes, world population is expected to rise only 2 billion in the next 50 years.

00:15:33.040 Emergency, emergency. Like he's being sarcastic. He's obviously, yeah. I'm just-

00:15:38.900 I love the Australian accent. That's really good.

00:15:40.860 My very sad attempt. This is my first ever attempt at an Australian accent.

00:15:43.980 I appreciate you jumping into that. That's why people come to this channel is to see the high

00:15:49.880 effort.

00:15:50.740 Oh yeah. And then, and then Biddy Bob from Freezing Desert comments, what's the obsession with

00:15:55.620 procreation? 8 billion people and counting. Procreation will not solve anything, especially as the AI

00:16:00.900 you're talking about, will make it more difficult or even possible for people to earn a living,

00:16:05.060 in which case food and shelter will have to be given for free. So yeah, no, I, okay. I expected

00:16:11.080 this at least.

00:16:11.760 Okay. I don't understand why we can't just give euthanasia for free. That's what Canada's doing

00:16:16.580 was made.

00:16:17.280 I'm sure they're going to do it more.

00:16:18.860 They euthanize them. This is, we did an episode on this.

00:16:22.440 Yeah.

00:16:22.540 Okay. So to keep going in this environment, survival will depend on intentionality and intensity.

00:16:27.960 Any aspect of human culture that people assume gets transmitted automatically without too much

00:16:33.000 conscious deliberation is what online slang calls NGMI. Not going to make it. First, I haven't heard

00:16:39.620 this slang before, but love it. But I will say here, he's right. What survives? This is what I'm

00:16:45.260 talking about with vitalism, right? Like intentionality and intensity. If this show had a, had a slogan

00:16:51.040 is intentionality and intensity. That's the way we treat our religious beliefs. That's the way we treat

00:16:56.140 our cultural beliefs. That's the way we treat our approach to pronatalism, to education, to

00:16:59.560 everything. It can be done. And I am so excited. And I think that, that, that, you know, you go to

00:17:05.840 natal con and that's what it's all about. And it's something that I don't know if other groups,

00:17:12.600 like he thinks you can approach nostalgia with a degree of intensity that can preserve like what

00:17:19.040 he remembers from the eighties, the shopping malls and the books and the opera houses. And I don't

00:17:24.220 know if nostalgia can ever truly be approached with intensity. There's always a cargo cult like

00:17:31.320 vagueness to it instead of like reappropriating nostalgic elements in a new way, which is what

00:17:37.180 Yeah. That's my thing is I think actually that nostalgia is really vitalistic, but when you look

00:17:44.760 at new fashion trends, some of the best are built upon nostalgia, but misinterpreted understandings of

00:17:52.840 previous times in which they're mixed upon. And I think you, you can't get a really great, strong

00:17:58.240 fashion movement, like what you saw in the eighties, like, like what even you're seeing with some

00:18:03.040 revivals of the nineties now without this complete misunderstanding of what an original fashion

00:18:08.840 movement was like, and then rethinking of it. So I think that there is a vitalistic side of

00:18:13.880 nostalgia, but it has to be a somewhat delusional one. And one that's focused on agency and invention

00:18:19.840 rather than, I just wish things were like they used to be. Languages will disappear. Churches 0.99

00:18:25.720 will perish. Political ideas will evanesce. Art forms will vanish. The capacity to read and write

00:18:32.480 and figure mathematically will wither. And the reproduction of the species will fail, except

00:18:38.480 among people who are deliberate and self-conscious and a little bit fanatical about ensuring that the

00:18:43.940 things they love are carried forwards. Well, I'm glad I'm just a little bit of a fanatic.

00:18:50.820 You know, I think, I think, and this is the way we're seeing, a little bit of a fanatic.

00:18:55.820 And other people, they try to shame us. Like all those glasses you wear, all those, whatever.

00:19:00.320 We, we be we, you know, and, and having a fanaticism for who you are, I think is required to the next

00:19:06.540 generation. And when we raise our kids, I think one of the biggest problems of like the evangelical 1.00

00:19:11.100 movement that led to a lot of its dissolution is they raise them to be obedient and unagentic

00:19:16.280 instead of to be fanatics. And I'm raising my kids to be fanatics. They're going to be

00:19:20.160 wild mountain creatures. What do you, what do you have there?

00:19:24.500 All right. Our children, yeah, absolutely should be wild mountain creatures. I have to say going

00:19:29.560 through the comments is really interesting because a lot of them are saying this article really

00:19:34.800 resonates with them. And then a lot of them clearly feel like some parts resonate and that are

00:19:40.340 completely disagreeing with other elements. Like there's one man who shares this nostalgia,

00:19:44.800 but he also just has this very distorted understanding of why things aren't the same

00:19:51.240 anymore. For example, he thinks that everything's horrible now because there are too many people.

00:19:55.640 Oh no, it's a, it's a woman. Gail Esposito from Atlanta writes just 70 years ago when I was six years

00:20:01.720 old, the planet had 2.74 billion people. National parks didn't need to limit the number of people

00:20:07.540 visiting them. You could fill up your gas tank for pennies. My dad paid $50 a month for our mortgage

00:20:12.300 and then antibiotics and vaccines were developed and proliferated. The death rate for children

00:20:17.460 quickly declined and we zoomed to 8 billion people without thinking how we could feed,

00:20:21.360 clothe and shelter them. Now we're in terrible shape and must confront the fact that there are

00:20:25.100 many people chasing too few resources. We need less people, not more. Sadly, Ross has no idea how wonderful

00:20:30.480 it was living in a world of so many less people and how miserable it is with so much overcrowding.

00:20:35.800 She thinks that national parks having limits on the number of visitors has to do with

00:20:41.180 like the U.S. population. That has more to do with international tourism, which by the way,

00:20:46.340 thanks Trump. Sorry, the reason why national parks had to start banning the number of visitors had to

00:20:50.580 do with Instagram and TikTok is that specific locations would become popular on those apps

00:20:55.300 and then everyone would try to go to these locations. Those quotas existed before Instagram and...

00:21:00.660 Okay. What was she... The crazy thing about her... She's just thrilled with this idea of a world

00:21:06.800 before medical treatment. So just high infant mortality. That was the good old days.

00:21:11.620 Did she not know what the global poverty rate was like back then?

00:21:15.000 Like she... She doesn't care because she could fill her gas tank for pennies on the dollar. 1.00

00:21:19.860 She doesn't care that she was able to do that. So this was 70 years ago.

00:21:23.320 Let the children die, Malcolm, because I could get into Yosemite without a wait list.

00:21:29.560 Well, no, on the poverty of New York, not New York, Europe. That is why we were so wealthy back then 0.89

00:21:34.340 because Europe had destroyed their industrial base and we were basically stealing all the business

00:21:37.980 from them and we'd put them in huge amounts of debt and the rest of the world hadn't developed.

00:21:42.320 And so we could, you know, outsource and we could like... Like you're basically saying like the degree of

00:21:48.440 poverty in her lifetime, the number of children that were starving to death, if you look at like global

00:21:52.420 poverty rates, was astronomical in that period outside of the United States. She's basically like,

00:21:58.300 well, I remember when I grew up in the Capitol and we didn't hear news of the other districts quite as much.

00:22:04.360 Why do we hear so much about them these days? I liked it when we didn't have to hear about the other districts.

00:22:11.100 That's really what's going on with that post, which is absolutely wild that you could be that delusional

00:22:16.660 about how much worse the world was for your average human living in it 70 years ago.

00:22:23.020 But anyway, I mean, these people live in a delusional bubble, right? Like they just...

00:22:26.800 But you can tell this woman didn't have kids. I can tell from the comments she didn't have kids. 1.00

00:22:31.140 So thank God you're going extinct.

00:22:34.540 Mere eccentricity doesn't guarantee survival. There will be forms of resistance and radicalism

00:22:41.040 that turn out to be destructive and others that are just dead ends.

00:22:44.520 But normalcy and complacency will be fatal. I agree.

00:22:48.480 But you're being normal and complacent in this piece.

00:22:51.500 It's like normalcy and complacency personified.

00:22:54.620 But I agree with a lot of what he's saying here, you know?

00:22:57.480 Online life allows for all kinds of hyper-intense subcultures and niches

00:23:01.660 where the sense of obsolescence is less of an issue.

00:23:04.940 But for the average internet surfer, they normally afloat in the virtual realm.

00:23:09.100 Digital life tends to evaluate the center over the peripheries, the metropole over the provinces,

00:23:15.920 the drama of the celebrity over the Coyotean.

00:23:19.200 How much survives?

00:23:21.340 Nothing I described as universal unless the true AI doomsdayers are correct.

00:23:26.060 In the year 2100, there will still be nations, families, religions, children, marriages, great books.

00:23:30.980 But how much survives will depend on our own deliberate choices, the choice to date and love and marry and procreate,

00:23:38.740 the choice to fight the particular nations and traditions and art forms and worldviews,

00:23:44.580 the choice to limit our exposure to the virtual, not necessarily refusing new technology,

00:23:49.100 but trying every day in every setting to make ourselves its master.

00:23:53.640 So I agree with that he's saying, you know, it's not about refusing technology,

00:23:56.780 but I do really, you have to go through the valley of the load of cedars.

00:24:01.280 You can't blind your eyes.

00:24:03.160 You cannot take pokers and you blind your eyes.

00:24:05.120 When you get to the other side of it, all of these temptations, you're still going to be blind.

00:24:08.800 The only way out is through.

00:24:10.960 Yeah, the only way out is through.

00:24:12.620 You know, the other people who get through it without blinding themselves

00:24:15.280 are going to have all the technology that it offers them, like the AI drone swarms.

00:24:19.020 You know, you need to find out how to engage with all of this

00:24:22.480 and still find a way to motivate your continued existence and your culture of survival.

00:24:29.160 Some choices will be especially difficult for liberals

00:24:33.860 since they will often smack of chauvinism and fanaticism and reaction.

00:24:39.800 Family lines will survive only because of a clear preference for one's own kith and kin

00:24:45.340 as opposed to some general affection for humanity.

00:24:49.280 Whoa! 0.71

00:24:50.560 That's a spicy take right there.

00:24:52.120 Well, and people in the comments took umbrage.

00:24:55.220 How dare he bring in politics and make this politicized?

00:24:58.680 But it's true.

00:25:01.140 Having a preference for your kin.

00:25:02.840 I have a preference for my kin.

00:25:04.080 My family's clan is strong.

00:25:06.900 We have a preference for our kin folks in these parts.

00:25:10.160 People hear me talk about how great my family is all the time.

00:25:12.940 And my kids know it.

00:25:13.740 I hope they talk the same way.

00:25:14.980 And they build family networks like we built.

00:25:17.380 It's like, you know, my little brother's in Doge right now, MAGA-ing.

00:25:21.060 I had a nightmare last night, but I had ended up getting a job there.

00:25:24.140 And I was sleeping in like a hotel apartment and getting up for a nine to five.

00:25:28.340 And I was like, okay, like aesthetically, I want to do it.

00:25:32.320 But like, I am kind of afraid of that kind of work.

00:25:36.660 It's not the most fun lifestyle, but very meaningful work.

00:25:39.720 And it's great that your brother's doing it.

00:25:42.120 I love this.

00:25:44.880 The family lines will also, oh, sorry.

00:25:47.060 Important art firms will only survive because of frank elitism, an insistence on distinction,

00:25:53.720 a contempt for mediocrity.

00:25:55.940 Religions will survive only through a conscious embrace of neo-traditionalism in whatever varied 1.00

00:26:02.520 forms.

00:26:02.960 Small nations will survive only if their 21st century inhabitants look back to the 19th century 0.98

00:26:08.320 builders, Irish nationalists and young Turks and the original Zionists, rather than the

00:26:13.740 end of history cosmopolitanism of which they're currently dissolving.

00:26:18.520 Oh, end of century cosmopolitanism of which they're currently dissolving.

00:26:22.400 What would you call the urban monoculture but that?

00:26:26.180 Any other comments you like here?

00:26:27.940 Well, this points to the comment that was saying, no, I'm all for cosmopolitanism.

00:26:33.140 Let's bury ourselves in it, which is the problem.

00:26:38.340 They are.

00:26:39.060 They are like in a grave burying themselves.

00:26:42.200 Yeah.

00:26:44.380 And one of the comments that I stopped at, I feel conflicted about because they're trying

00:26:49.620 to point out that we have reached the age of AI.

00:26:52.720 We are about to transcend humanity to become one with machines, arguably.

00:26:57.000 So what's the point in keeping the human line going?

00:27:01.620 But I think you can't really have truly complex intelligences in the future without both.

00:27:07.020 But I do think that this is the most interesting so far of the comments that I've found that

00:27:13.720 complains about population.

00:27:15.640 Because they point out that the world has 8 billion people, and this is a lot.

00:27:20.080 Then they write, this is the 21st century.

00:27:21.800 Aside from serious consequences of environmental damage caused by our huge population, including

00:27:26.400 catastrophic global warming and the so-called sixth extinction, which biologists say is

00:27:30.260 in full swing, there are technological changes that also mitigate worries about human extinction

00:27:34.700 from a lack of babies.

00:27:36.160 Futurists have argued we are approaching the age of transhumanism, where digital forms of

00:27:39.820 human life will, in fact, surpass biological.

00:27:42.300 That may sound crazy to us, but when we are creatures of our time, but then we are creatures

00:27:47.780 of our time, a future cyborgian world will not have to worry about a die-off.

00:27:52.340 Otherwise, the piece is correct in the underlying theme that accelerated social change will and

00:27:57.060 has made much of contemporary life a victim of futurism.

00:28:01.100 And yeah, I mean, I think that's an intelligent comment from the perspective of a broadly

00:28:06.420 anti-natalist, environmentalist-minded progressive.

00:28:11.040 So liberalism itself will endure and thrive only if it finds a way to weave some of the

00:28:16.820 intense impulse already attenuated before the internet back into its vision of the good

00:28:22.040 society, its understanding of human needs and obligations.

00:28:26.840 For non-liberals, on the other hand, the temptation will be to embrace radicalism and disruption

00:28:31.260 for its own sake, without regard to their actual fruits, a clear tendency of the populism that

00:28:37.800 governs us today.

00:28:41.040 Imagine a swift technological dissolution to a crisis created by technology, even if the

00:28:46.820 solution marries dehumanization with authoritarianism.

00:28:50.300 Imagine Chinese polterbrero with artificial wombs, or to simply, I'm like, maybe that's where 1.00

00:28:59.120 we're going, or to simply embrace the culling of the common person, the disappearance of 0.80

00:29:03.000 the ordinary, the emptying of provinces and hinterlands, on the theory that some new master

00:29:08.340 race of human-AI hybrid stand to inherit it anyway, as that person said, right?

00:29:12.860 Like, maybe they didn't internalize that piece.

00:29:15.200 But perhaps the strongest temptation for everyone will be to imagine that you are engaged in some

00:29:21.160 radical project, some new intentional way of living, but all the while you are being pulled

00:29:26.080 back into the virtual, they're performative, the fundamentally unreal.

00:29:30.680 And here I'd be like, well, you know, I'm the one who has my fifth kid on the way, so

00:29:34.860 you can tell me whatever I want.

00:29:37.360 But like, I know that this project seems to be working, and I am not afraid of our kids

00:29:42.880 deconverting very much at all, when I look at how they relate to the areas where I have

00:29:47.580 the most fears.

00:29:48.300 Whether it's gender, or religion, or, you know, cultural rules, or observances, or anything

00:29:54.900 like that, because they are very into this stuff, in a way that I was as a kid.

00:29:59.840 You know, you've seen Octavian, he wants to enforce the tradition on his siblings.

00:30:06.820 This is how we do things, don't you know?

00:30:12.320 Basically.

00:30:12.720 This is one temptation.

00:30:16.260 But I also like here what he's talking about, it's this idea of like these families that

00:30:19.200 we see that are like trying to build communes, and they never come together, or trying to

00:30:23.020 build schools, and they never come together, or trying to build, you know, we said, we'll

00:30:26.240 build a school, we built a school.

00:30:27.840 You saw the school, it works, it's great.

00:30:30.080 You know, we said, we're going to build a parenting network, we've been building it,

00:30:33.300 and we'll have it go live when our kids are old enough to utilize it.

00:30:36.540 You know, like, it's the difference between, are you the type of dreamer whose dreams ultimately

00:30:42.100 boil down to enforcing your values and your way of life on others, which is what many

00:30:46.700 of these communes ultimately want, or is it something where you're willing to make compromise?

00:30:50.680 You know, like, our neighbors are, you know, fundamentally, you know, working class people,

00:30:54.760 and our kids stay with them during the day, and a lot of people are surprised at that.

00:30:57.980 They're like, oh, you don't hire, like, specialist nannies?

00:31:00.740 And we're like, no, specialist nannies are like weirdos.

00:31:02.940 Well, actually, I think this is why most communes fall apart, because ultimately, they can only

00:31:06.980 be populated by people who are there because it is just convenient, not because

00:31:12.000 they're that ideologically aligned.

00:31:13.920 So they're like, yeah, aesthetically, I like the idea of living in an eco village.

00:31:16.860 And also, I was downsizing and retiring anyway.

00:31:20.320 And it's in the region where I want to be.

00:31:22.620 And so they move there.

00:31:23.680 But that means it has a very short shelf life.

00:31:30.220 This is one temptation I'm very familiar with.

00:31:32.840 As someone whose professional life is a mostly digital existence, where together with others

00:31:37.560 who share my concerns, I am perpetually talking, talking, talking, when the necessary thing

00:31:43.740 is to go out in reality and do it.

00:31:46.220 Bam! 0.98

00:31:46.800 Oh, yeah!

00:31:47.680 We're going to take the future from you.

00:31:49.360 We're going to take the future from you.

00:31:51.100 We are going to take the future from you.

00:31:51.820 Well, don't they hope if so many progressive readers of the New York Times read this and

00:31:56.280 say, yes?

00:31:59.700 I mean, hope of seeing a more balanced future.

00:32:01.800 Who in the comments is agreeing with them?

00:32:03.720 You can read.

00:32:04.360 I'll read this first part again, because this is what the article ends with.

00:32:07.880 Have the child, practice the religion, found the school, support the local theater, the

00:32:11.460 museum, the opera, the concert hall.

00:32:13.740 Even if you can't see it all on YouTube, pick up the paintbrush, the ball, the instrument,

00:32:18.700 learn the language, even if there's an app for it.

00:32:21.040 Learn to drive.

00:32:21.840 Even if you think soon Waymo or Tulsa will drive for you.

00:32:24.720 Put up headstones. 0.99

00:32:25.960 Don't just burn your dead. 0.99

00:32:27.580 Sit with the child. 0.70

00:32:28.660 Open the book and read.

00:32:30.220 Yeah.

00:32:30.400 And here's what I'd say is,

00:32:31.800 Have you ever tried simply turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting

00:32:38.940 them?

00:32:39.820 As the bottleneck titans, all survival will depend on heeding once again the ancient 1.00

00:32:43.780 abomination, I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse, therefore choose 0.99

00:32:48.140 the life that you have, that you and your offspring may live.

00:32:52.620 So, I just want to point out that the top comments are mostly people unilaterally saying,

00:32:59.460 this is great.

00:33:00.540 One person just writes, 245 people upvoted this, Ross's finest article.

00:33:06.540 Jeff from Washington, D.C., who got 252 upvotes, wrote, I've been reading the Times and Ross's

00:33:12.420 columns for years, but I've never posted a comment before now.

00:33:15.280 Bravo.

00:33:16.060 I would say more, but I'm going to take Ross's advice, put down my phone, and get out into

00:33:20.780 the world.

00:33:21.780 And another one who actually didn't, wasn't a huge fan of him, but still got 296 upvotes,

00:33:26.160 says, as most commenters here, I'm extremely disinclined to agree with do thought on anything.

00:33:31.020 So, this guy isn't his fan.

00:33:33.540 I'd be hard pressed to come with any previous essay or line of thought.

00:33:36.960 Incredibly, I got through almost the entire essay, nodding my head in agreement figuratively.

00:33:40.860 His one dig at liberals was quickly balanced out by the one at populists.

00:33:46.040 So, credit where credit's due.

00:33:47.300 The points he makes for a long-form intellectual take on what the short-form Black Mirror series

00:33:53.300 has been expressing for years.

00:33:55.360 And he didn't say, woke once.

00:33:57.140 Will wonders ever cease?

00:33:58.540 So, this person is apparently, like, pretty, considered conservative by lefties?

00:34:05.880 I guess so.

00:34:06.620 Yeah, this person probably thinks he's a lefty who, so probably what this author is, is a

00:34:11.380 centrist who's seen by regular New York Times readers as the evil alt-right centrist.

00:34:18.580 And this person, nevertheless, despite wanting to disagree, agreed with almost everything.

00:34:25.280 So, yeah, I would say this is really well-received, which, again, to me, like, this may be the

00:34:30.120 sign of a turning point.

00:34:32.220 This may be a sign for hope among progressives, that they get it, that they want to get back

00:34:38.780 to agency, to action, to vitalism.

00:34:41.780 And I think that would be a really good thing, because I would like to see more perspectives

00:34:45.360 represented in the future than fewer.

00:34:48.160 Yeah.

00:34:48.800 Yeah, me too.

00:34:49.940 So, you know, who knows?

00:34:51.300 Maybe some iteration of this will survive.

00:34:55.280 Anyway, I love you to death, Simone.

00:34:57.800 And I hope that our followers can take something from this article and use it to replace them.

00:35:04.220 And The Economist did a piece on this recently, and it was me saying, join the pro-natalist 0.77

00:35:08.080 movement or we'll replace you. 0.57

00:35:10.140 Those are the only options.

00:35:12.140 And I love it.

00:35:13.080 I love it.

00:35:13.540 It's a freak people out.

00:35:15.300 He got a lot wrong, though.

00:35:16.320 He argued that, like, Jared Taylor was, like, a speaker at the first conference when he wasn't.

00:35:20.620 He was just an attendee.

00:35:21.600 And, you know, that Kevin Dolan is a racist. 0.68

00:35:24.220 That's one of the things that gets me.

00:35:25.120 I'm also going to do an entire episode analyzing the idea that Kevin Dolan is a racist.

00:35:30.640 Because if you actually look at his tweets, and he was tweeting with an anonymous account,

00:35:34.680 none of them are that racist.

00:35:36.580 And a lot of it is just made up by the other side.

00:35:38.800 And they'll say, oh, he said these anti-Jewish things.

00:35:40.500 And I'm like, no, he didn't.

00:35:41.620 Like, look at the actual tweet.

00:35:42.620 And they're like, oh, wow, I didn't realize that they had turned the name of a town into

00:35:46.740 I Hate Jews when they're just like, well, this town has a disproportionately Jewish population. 1.00

00:35:51.240 So we just translated that for him in our hate piece. 0.97

00:35:53.820 And I'm like, well, what?

00:35:55.200 Anyway.

00:35:56.820 Okay.

00:35:57.180 Roman Stone went after the shrimp people and they fought back. 0.99

00:36:02.260 You don't go after the shrimp people.

00:36:04.740 This is the EA people who want to replace us with shrimp.

00:36:08.020 The shrimp welfare people. 0.97

00:36:09.500 They don't want to replace us with shrimp.

00:36:11.360 Like if shrimp have feelings, right?

00:36:14.340 Like you can, and good utility is defined by the positive.

00:36:20.040 Reducing suffering.

00:36:21.180 Reducing suffering.

00:36:21.960 Well, the positive divided by negative emotions of an entity, you know, then multiplied by that

00:36:28.360 entity sort of like cognitive space.

00:36:30.900 Shrimp, even though they're lower cognitive load than us, because there's so many of them,

00:36:35.720 you know, we need to take them seriously.

00:36:36.720 And because their existence in large scale shrimp farming is so bad.

00:36:43.600 Like you think chickens have it bad.

00:36:45.480 Shrimp have it even worse than, you know. 0.98

00:36:47.540 They pop off their eyes to increase.

00:36:49.800 Yeah.

00:36:49.860 Their eyes get crushed.

00:36:50.860 They don't pop them off.

00:36:51.700 They just get crushed.

00:36:52.580 Half don't even make it to harvest point.

00:36:54.440 Like it's just, it's gross.

00:36:56.280 It's horrible.

00:36:56.980 It's really bad.

00:36:57.780 But they're like, well, I'll, you know, I could spend $1 and reduce significantly a portion

00:37:05.820 of their suffering.

00:37:06.440 Like this is money well spent.

00:37:09.460 So...

00:37:09.820 I mean, I think it'd be better to engineer them without nervous systems that can feel pain.

00:37:13.720 Yeah.

00:37:14.020 I think that would be, that would be awesome.

00:37:16.580 Also, like, I don't know.

00:37:17.460 I don't think we need to eat animals as much.

00:37:22.640 Uh-oh.

00:37:23.060 Uh-oh.

00:37:23.500 You're getting into fighting territory here with Malcolm.

00:37:25.380 I just know, I mean, what everyone is, is kind of consciously aware of in most intellectual

00:37:30.660 circles is that, you know, oh, so many years from now, we will look, well, depending on how

00:37:36.840 demographic collapse plays out now, but people will view meat consumption as being pretty...

00:37:43.700 When would read said that in the 1800s, you know, one of the guys, he's like, he's

00:37:47.460 like, people...

00:37:47.980 He's one of our prophets, Malcolm.

00:37:49.440 I mean, get with the program.

00:37:50.900 Exactly.

00:37:51.160 But he doesn't say that we shouldn't eat meat today.

00:37:53.580 He says...

00:37:54.620 Yeah, he just says, we're going to see this as insane and we'll make fake meat.

00:37:57.540 And he says, we will see it as insane culturally after fake meat is normalized.

00:38:02.820 Yeah.

00:38:03.860 Dude, it's...

00:38:04.880 Okay, I don't know what's going on with Beyond Everything, because it's disgusting.

00:38:09.700 Yes, and everybody, when it first came out...

00:38:11.780 It was supposed to be, like, awesome, and it was, like, hard to get, and I was like,

00:38:15.180 wow, it must have been pretty good.

00:38:16.220 Every time we've had it, I've been like, wow, like, why just, you know, make a burger

00:38:22.780 with quinoa and black beans and rice or something, like, just, like, other good stuff that has

00:38:27.280 protein in it, or just whatever Morningstar does with its meat chicken is so good.

00:38:31.660 By the way, Simone is almost a vegetarian.

00:38:32.760 You eat almost exclusively fake meat.

00:38:35.360 I never choose to eat meat.

00:38:37.500 You know, I don't have a choice.

00:38:38.660 And most of that's for autistic reasons, because meat has all these little gristly bits and 1.00

00:38:45.320 gummy bits and cartilogy bits and inconsistent bits, and guess what has consistency is Morningstar

00:38:51.260 fake chicken patties and Gardein meatballs and fake meat hot dogs.

00:38:57.240 And they're so, so good, so whatever.

00:39:00.240 Well, your meat dishes are so good, I'll tell you that.

00:39:02.980 Yeah, and we're doing...

00:39:04.360 So this is my first time doing the mango pineapple curry for you using all fresh mango.

00:39:12.140 I know you wanted them to be a little bit more textured.

00:39:14.880 Do you want me to dice some, but then make puree of others in the blender?

00:39:19.100 So you have a mixture of both mango puree and diced mango with diced pineapple.

00:39:24.280 Well, how do you want me to approach this?

00:39:25.400 I want only diced.

00:39:28.380 We need some liquid, because I have less coconut cream than before.

00:39:32.880 I've eaten more yogurt, but...

00:39:34.480 Then puree some of the mango.

00:39:36.720 But then you want most diced.

00:39:38.000 You want, you want Chexter.

00:39:39.020 You want chunks.

00:39:40.400 And if you want, I can drive out, because I need to go out to get more beer anyway.

00:39:43.240 No, we have a blender.

00:39:44.440 Like, you bought a blender for yourself.

00:39:46.280 I should be using it so you get the value.

00:39:48.020 This is worth it.

00:39:50.100 All fresh ingredients.

00:39:51.700 Fruits and stuff.

00:39:53.240 This is like eating a forest.

00:39:56.300 Mango and pineapple and chicken.

00:39:58.820 I mean, it's great.

00:40:00.000 It's great to see you consuming more.

00:40:02.240 There's a lot of onion in this.

00:40:03.700 There's tomato in this.

00:40:05.900 Garlic.

00:40:07.080 Mango.

00:40:07.900 Pineapple.

00:40:08.700 Chicken.

00:40:09.940 Coconut.

00:40:10.660 This is health.

00:40:12.220 Pretty healthy.

00:40:13.240 Pretty good.

00:40:13.820 Yeah.

00:40:14.320 You might want to put some crushed coconut in it.

00:40:17.360 Oh.

00:40:18.020 Because we've got some.

00:40:19.540 If you want me to.

00:40:21.100 Sure.

00:40:22.400 Yeah.

00:40:22.860 All right.

00:40:23.460 I'll get started here.

00:40:25.080 Okay.

00:40:28.760 In shadows, I scheme with a gleam in my eye.

00:40:32.460 My brood will outnumber their woke battle cry.

00:40:35.820 Those urban elites with their prattle and flair will choke on their vanity caught unaware.

00:40:41.900 Oh, bow to my vision, my vitalist reign.

00:40:47.960 I'll flood every city with life's primal strain.

00:40:51.420 Their monoculture's doomed.

00:40:53.020 It's a flickering pyre.

00:40:55.460 My superior kin set the future afire.

00:40:59.420 I'll honor the past with the heirs I bestow.

00:41:15.700 Each child a new root where my empire will grow.

00:41:18.940 The woke clutch their mirrors, their egos inflate. 0.73

00:41:22.200 But I'll crush their smugness with humanity's weight.

00:41:27.220 Oh, bow to my vision, my vitalist reign.

00:41:30.540 I'll flood every city with life's primal strain.

00:41:33.880 Their monoculture's doomed.

00:41:35.360 My superior kin set the future afire.

00:41:54.380 My children will storm through their glittering halls.

00:41:58.180 With vigor and might, they'll tear down their walls.

00:42:01.260 The urbanites' folly, their self-loving spark. 0.99

00:42:04.520 Will burn in my bonfire, extinguished by dark. 0.98

00:42:10.820 Oh, bow to my vision, my vitalist reign.

00:42:14.200 I'll flood every city with life's primal strain.

00:42:17.500 Their monoculture's doomed.

00:42:19.040 It's a flickering pyre.

00:42:21.760 My superior kin set the future afire.

00:42:25.340 So tremble you woke as my dynasty spreads.

00:42:32.020 Your trivial dreams will lie cold in their beds.

00:42:35.280 The vitalist triumph, my glorious plan.

00:42:38.480 Will birth a new world for the ultimate man.

00:42:42.780 The cumin, the Harris-Biz-Biz-Biz-Biz-Biz-Biz-Biz.

00:42:53.920 Your심 Twilight Forte

00:42:56.120 钟

00:43:00.620 Si

00:43:03.460 也

00:43:05.900 Thank you.

00:43:35.900 As my dynasty spreads

00:43:39.280 Your trivial dreams

00:43:42.520 Will I hold in their beds

00:43:44.860 The vitalist triumph

00:43:48.020 My glorious plan

00:43:50.800 Will birth a new world

00:43:53.980 For the ultimate man

00:44:05.900 Will birth a new dream

00:44:13.400 Will birth a new life

00:44:15.580 Will birth a new life

00:44:15.660 Will birth a new life

00:44:15.920 Will birth a new life

00:44:17.780 Will birth a new life

00:44:21.460 Will birth a new life

00:44:22.020 Will birth a new white 1.00

00:44:23.180 Will birth a new life

00:44:24.120 Will birth a new life

00:44:24.780 Will birth a new life

00:44:26.200 Will birth a new life

00:44:27.080 Will birth a new life

Based Camp - April 29, 2025

NY Times： The Vitalists Will Replace the Weak!？

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