Based Camp - NY Times Tries to Rewrite Masculinity and Fatherhood

00:00:00.000 Hello, Malcolm. I'm excited to be speaking with you today because the New York Times seems to be

00:00:04.540 in some either organized or unintentional fashion, making a stance on what masculinity is really

00:00:10.400 trying to shape the narrative in a very like, kind of obvious way. It's bopping your kids.

00:00:17.660 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I started falling down this

00:00:23.780 rabbit hole when I saw this tweet on X at Alex Berenson wrote, cannot make this up either.

00:00:30.000 at NY Times Opinion, has had four recent pieces about fatherhood and masculinity with six authors.

00:00:36.800 Three women, a trans man, two childless men, not one father. The cultural elite

00:00:43.340 contempt for dads runs so deep that we don't even get to speak for ourselves.

00:00:49.660 He didn't directly reference all of the four articles in his post, so...

00:00:54.620 The trans article was really creepy. 1.00

00:00:56.360 The trans article, we're going to go, that's our first one. But I did, I did, I think I found the four of them. There is, to my daughter, my gender was never complicated. This is the trans one that Malcolm alluded to. We're going to look at the most important way that fatherhood has changed a Father's Day themed essay on changing perspectives on fatherhood. 1.00

00:01:17.140 this masculinity influencer is loud and wrong about paternity leave which is criticizing

00:01:22.660 scott galloway's stance on paternity leave and broader masculinity issues him being a left-leaning

00:01:29.280 pronatalist one of the only ones so great thanks guys and then finally the new rights very old

00:01:34.660 vision of men which is from the ezra klein podcast actually where he has on helen lewis so two people

00:01:42.020 i think are great and but no they have to talk about basically reframe the entire

00:01:46.180 they call it i think well we'll get into it some some name that helen lewis has chosen for

00:01:52.200 the masculinity masculinity movement like rock nationalist and bronzing pervert and a bunch of

00:01:58.380 other people in our broader space but why they're like shallow and evil so this is awesome hold on

00:02:04.960 no the thing is is we will replace them none of these people who are whining about what it means

00:02:09.900 to be a dad is a real dad well and you'll see this actually so what i think is interesting is this

00:02:14.760 this is their attempt to frame this is what masculinity is or should be this is what father

00:02:20.420 would fatherhood is or should be and in so doing they actually i think explain exactly your point

00:02:27.520 why they are going to be replaced why they are not going to inherit the future because

00:02:33.080 the views they express are inherently unsustainable and not going to produce

00:02:39.580 something that helps humans thrive in the end which i think is telling so let's dive right in

00:02:46.180 to the one that really got x clutching its pearls in such a way that they just burst into powder

00:02:52.900 to my daughter my gender was never complicated this was a series of cartoon panels about a trans

00:03:00.280 father who underwent surgery at 18 and has lived as a father of a daughter mostly mostly not quite

00:03:09.420 out actually for quite some time. And it's supposed to be this heartwarming story about

00:03:14.900 how a parent has found self-acceptance through parenting. And on the surface, like I really

00:03:21.280 like that because as you know, I have to give myself grace more now knowing that our children

00:03:27.780 are a lot like me and some of the most difficult things about them are traits that are deep from

00:03:33.120 within me. And I have to, it's a whole thing. I like that. But so for those of you just listening,

00:03:38.120 the panels include things like his daughter yelling how did you grow a mustache if you were

00:03:43.320 a lady at a public pool where this father is not out his daughter asking about a pre-transition

00:03:50.660 picture of him in an album and asking who's that and the father says it's me oh you look cool

00:03:57.700 then or now then she's just full of sick burns honestly just burns he has some panels about

00:04:04.540 worrying about his daughter outing him at school where she talks about like oh my mommy I told them

00:04:11.320 how my mommy made a cake for you after your surgery and he he says I don't actually tell

00:04:17.720 everyone I'm trans I save that for special people and then eventually she does out him saying that

00:04:22.880 she wants to grow a beard when she grows up and when told that she can't she insists that she can

00:04:27.440 because her dad did and he was a girl and it's not grooming at all no I know I know I know so

00:04:34.320 other sick burns from her that i love they're always like they're always like this they're

00:04:37.960 always like we're not grooming people we're not doing and then they show an example of a kid

00:04:42.540 growing up in an environment where this is normalized wanting to do i thought i would

00:04:45.980 marry a woman and have a hundred cats and live in a van you literally thought the norm was being a

00:04:51.540 lesbian and i know i did i really did because all my friends and it's you know i think that

00:04:58.980 one of the things to remember is that grooming is normal to an extent right like in that

00:05:05.800 everybody grows up into the culture or often into the culture that they're surrounded by

00:05:10.900 when they're a kid and that's often the culture's goal this is why at the san francisco choir you

00:05:16.700 know they saying we are coming for your kids because these groups breed well below replacement

00:05:21.220 rate the only way they can be stable is by converting children from other cultural groups 0.95

00:05:26.240 they just need to define this and those children would normally be groomed into their own healthy

00:05:30.980 culture right but now they are being parasitized into cultures that their birth culture typically

00:05:39.000 would see as negative and that by the statistics seems to have negative outcomes in terms of mental

00:05:45.200 health life happiness etc but continue just two more sick burns from the daughter before we go 0.96

00:05:52.020 over the backlash and is this is really an affront on father's day she said you're slow because you're

00:05:58.760 old i which is just kind of a young person thing to say but i love it and at one point she she told

00:06:04.640 her dad maybe i'll be like you when i grow up and he's like yeah and i think he's thinking maybe like

00:06:10.420 trans like me or something she's like yeah really short which is just delightful this girl is really

00:06:16.600 funny and i think that you know the the parent who was able to notice the humor in these moments

00:06:20.940 is funny but the backlash boom the a lot of people on x didn't like it at real brandon gill wrote on

00:06:28.200 father's day the new york times decided to promote promote a cartoon of a woman cosplaying as a

00:06:33.040 father and they did it for a reason because the cultural left knows that the first step to

00:06:38.080 conquering the future is brainwashing the minds of our children and they've realized that strong

00:06:42.800 fathers are the biggest obstacle to that goal they want to tear the institution of fatherhood down

00:06:48.580 to nothing because to the left, things that are normal, good, and holy are a threat to the Marxist

00:06:54.980 revolution. Matt Taibbi wrote, today's NYT editorial on Father's Day is an all-timer. Again, I don't

00:07:01.860 know where to put it on the funny versus horrifying axis. End Wokeness wrote, the New York Times on

00:07:08.120 Father's Day. We do not hate the media enough. Caitlin Flanagan wrote, the child's job was to

00:07:14.180 help the parent feel comfortable with his gender and at after the reset message aside is it

00:07:21.340 necessary for the cartoons to be ugly poorly drawn and unappealing and per our episode on

00:07:27.160 communists and terrifyingly bad yes and now we're like that's the point yeah but the problem is that

00:07:33.340 they've so promulgated it within their culture specifically that the other side is is you know

00:07:40.520 we can compete with our sexy anime girls made with with ai in fact you know why don't i put in 0.61

00:07:45.100 a sexy simone right now just so everyone can see my god my hot juraten anime waifu but i i think i 0.72

00:07:52.080 think we we can beat them because we get the sexy art and we can make it for virtually free go to

00:07:57.900 by the way if you're wondering the model that i use most for these it's rfab's gpt model is the

00:08:03.960 no way yeah really i'm just so used to gpt art being awful like the the short legs you know what

00:08:13.040 i'm talking about the short legs did they get over that i guess yeah it's great i mean i i like if

00:08:19.020 you've liked the images that i show they're generally maybe it's just better at anime

00:08:23.280 yeah i mean i tell it to do it in an anime style yeah so okay oh hold on but i mean if we can fight

00:08:32.780 asynchronous warfare where everything in their world has to be ugly and i do think the other

00:08:36.140 point that the person made here is really interesting about this is the piece and the

00:08:40.300 focus was on his daughter affirming his lifestyle yeah yeah yeah yeah which by the way actually is

00:08:48.420 an affront to the concept of father's day and mother's day which isn't about this is about me

00:08:55.900 this is my day these holidays existed to be a memorial to the sacrifice and hard work that

00:09:03.720 parents do not of like the affirming role that their children play for them so father's day was

00:09:11.340 sort of it was inspired by mother's day which was founded by this woman named anna maria jarvis

00:09:18.320 she wanted to create a solemn memorial mother's day honoring the sacrifices and care of individual

00:09:25.340 mothers inspired by her mother, Ann Reeves, who had done all sorts of like amazing things to

00:09:31.320 help like just sort of community works and things like that. But Father's Day, even more so is really

00:09:36.920 about like immense sacrifice to help raise your kids. So Father's Day was founded by Sonora Smart

00:09:43.500 Dodd of Spokane, Washington, who heard about Mother's Day and was like, hold on, like dads

00:09:50.400 need this because her civil war veteran dad raised her and her siblings alone after her mother died

00:09:55.700 so this is about dads going above and beyond sacrificing their happiness and their well-being

00:10:01.280 and their sanity to take care of their children and yeah i mean this is not really i would say in

00:10:06.760 the at least original spirit of father's day even though i find it relatable as a parent i i do think

00:10:13.820 that our kids teach us how to give grace to ourselves or accept ourselves better but that's

00:10:19.520 not what being a parent should be about ever it should not be about self-affirmation and that's

00:10:26.200 wild this reframing a parenthood as an act of self-affirmation and that's again that's part

00:10:30.960 of the problem like again to the theme of this episode this is why the progressive left is

00:10:36.900 not going to inherit the future is because they they're not having children out of a sense of

00:10:43.360 duty or obligation self-sacrifice they're having it as and if and even contextualizing it as sort

00:10:51.380 of an indulgent my spiritual journey my journey of self-acceptance kind of thing and it's

00:10:57.800 this this this parent is so in their head about their trans identity there's even a panel

00:11:07.040 there's even a panel on the the sheet that sorry that the author includes where the daughter

00:11:14.580 they're in a park and the daughter's like i spot something it starts with a t can you guess what

00:11:19.820 it is basically and the the father's like oh like can only think of trans can only think of trans

00:11:26.480 in a park and is like a termite a tiny morsel of dirt like coming up with all these things and and

00:11:34.720 the daughter's just like trees it just i think demonstrates the extent to which this parent is

00:11:41.160 so preoccupied with their own identity yeah they can't even see what a great metaphor they can't

00:11:46.100 even see the trees in a park yeah they can't even see the trees around them they they can't see the

00:11:51.520 tree the woods the woods for the trees is that what you're going for here yes but they're to to

00:11:57.480 miss the world around them so holistically yeah out of a focus on their own identity yeah and this

00:12:03.960 again like i i find it a relatable message i think it's it's sweet but it's also i think

00:12:08.580 very telling and it is it is a bit of an affront to the original point of the holiday by the way

00:12:13.860 malcolm thank you for your sacrifice i was we were so busy on sunday that i we're gonna have

00:12:20.920 to do a delayed father's day and i'm really sorry you're an amazing dad you're such an amazing dad

00:12:26.080 you you sacrifice more than any other man i've ever encountered you put yourself on the front

00:12:31.600 lines of parenthood in a way that no father or husband i've ever met will like that you're always

00:12:38.220 the one that takes kids to the doctor you're always the ones the kids are with on the weekends

00:12:41.780 though you're always the one coding i well look we need to we need to get something to work there

00:12:52.000 and you're doing a really great job but you are amazing i mean i appreciate you i built out all

00:12:56.860 the core features right now we're just working on extra stuff like an integrated email management

00:13:00.640 feature which hopefully save i mean if i can get email off of my daily to-do list that would save

00:13:07.220 me so much time same yeah especially yeah because now there's more coming in that we can manage but

00:13:14.640 we still don't want to not read everyone's message so you just make it slightly more efficient and

00:13:18.820 you're making it crazy more efficient anyway let's go into the next article which is titled

00:13:24.400 the most important way that fatherhood has changed in this article frank bruni who is a childless

00:13:30.880 contributing opinion writer who's been on why why did they let a childless writer write this

00:13:36.540 well so i think he believes that he is in a position to talk about fatherhood because he's

00:13:42.200 talking about it from a removed perspective in this article he talks about the difference between

00:13:47.960 the way his father raised him and his brother and the way his brothers and the way that his

00:13:54.580 brothers have in turn raised their children he talks about how fathers are spending more time

00:14:00.300 with their kids now he cites an article that suggests one reason fertility is lower is that

00:14:05.760 men want to give the kids they do have more attention lame he frames as a good thing don't

00:14:12.240 spend time with your kids walk up hit them walk away that's whether they've done something bad

00:14:17.120 or not kids love being hit no honestly they are our kids really do they really and if you don't 0.96

00:14:22.320 do it they'll start it so that you do do it watch out try to kick me in the nuts in the store

00:14:27.740 this is a real thing that just happened yesterday 1.00

00:14:32.940 yeah all these other pliant children in their shopping carts and octavian coming in for the 0.67

00:14:40.380 kill. Classic. But yeah, this again is, I think that constant theme. This is why the progressive 1.00

00:14:46.060 left is choosing to relinquish its position in the future. There's this choice to indulgently

00:14:52.680 spend more time investing in children. But I think what's really telling about his article

00:14:57.680 is that the examples he cites on like, well, here's this valuable additional investment that

00:15:03.800 these children have vis-a-vis his 90 something year old father, who is just a provider. These

00:15:09.940 these parents are getting emotionally involved in their kids' lives, and they are. Here's one

00:15:13.940 example. He wrote, Mark, and this is his brother, Mark encouraged his children to let him in by

00:15:19.420 inviting them to understand him. He made sure that they met and mingled with his adult friends and

00:15:27.040 thus observed how he tended relationships and what they meant to him. He also showed his children

00:15:31.680 his passions. I took Frank to a Grateful Dead concert when he was 12, Mark told me, referring

00:15:36.800 to his oldest son who like me is named after my father but that outing wasn't just characteristically

00:15:42.920 ardent deadhead evangelism and well unorthodox parenting it reflected mark's sustained effort

00:15:48.880 to expand the time that he and his and frank spent together the more hours the more conversation the

00:15:53.860 more the more conversation the greater the likelihood of revelations real familiarity

00:16:00.500 deeper connection so basically this father was like this is my passion witness me and you know

00:16:06.740 he made his son go and listen, listen, I like Grateful Dead music. I thought I was a deadhead

00:16:11.280 when I was a kid because my father too shared his Grateful Dead passion with me. But it wasn't that

00:16:16.280 aspect of my growing up with him that was actually helpful. What he's missing here,

00:16:20.400 what Frank Courtney is missing, I think, is that investment in children is not all equal.

00:16:24.800 Investment in children in their careers, in the way that like Benjamin Franklin's father invested

00:16:29.180 in him, walking him along the street, showing him different trades, asking him what stood out to him.

00:16:33.460 the way that my dad, for example, invested in me, taking me to work with him, helping me get jobs,

00:16:38.340 teaching me what business meetings look like, taking me to trade. This is really valuable

00:16:43.080 investment. And this is stuff that I think parents are really missing. They're treating

00:16:47.860 children like pets, like this thing where like, oh, you're going to see how I, you know, my friends,

00:16:53.500 and I'm going to raise you to be this indulgent, happy person. And we're going to be like emotionally

00:16:58.800 so close. And it's true that younger generations now are closer, like friends to their parents

00:17:03.380 than ever before but they're also more mentally sick and i don't know yeah there's no proven

00:17:08.380 causation but optimization of closeness was out thought for the long-term negative effects

00:17:14.940 and there are going to be long-term negative effects for the way that they're raising their

00:17:19.980 kids like this and worse the way he's spending money a father going to a concert what paying

00:17:27.180 for a ticket for your kid, that is not sustainable if you have a large family. Yeah. And wait a,

00:17:33.540 hopefully he had him wear earplugs. That's a very easy path to early hearing loss, which is not,

00:17:39.480 not great, but yeah, here's the next one made me so angry because we, you know, have personally

00:17:48.240 tried so hard for there to be, to encourage the existence of and foster the growth of progressive

00:17:55.660 or left-leaning at least pronatalists and yet here is one and the new york times opinion is

00:18:03.840 yeah scott galloway defenestrating him for holding a very practical and pragmatic view

00:18:09.480 vis-a-vis paternity leave so in this particular opinion piece jessica grove or sorry gross who

00:18:16.440 is a she is a mother but she's a woman of two children in brooklyn she denounces scott

00:18:22.060 galloway stands on paternity leave and again scott galloway he considers himself i think more like

00:18:30.400 center left or a social capitalist but he's still as far as far as it can get when when you're

00:18:36.860 left-leaning and pronatalist yeah and in this interview with derrick thompson

00:18:40.500 galloway said quote i think there should be mandatory maternity leave because i think this

00:18:46.320 species needs to propagate i'm not sure there should be mandatory paternity leave i think it's

00:18:51.420 sometimes creates resentment. I think sometimes it's abused. And so I'm a bit capitalist here.

00:18:57.380 I think it's between the company, but I don't know if I immediately default to,

00:19:01.980 oh, the father needs to be there. Gross added, this is the author of the op-ed,

00:19:08.020 Galloway also commented that he doesn't think men should be in the delivery room.

00:19:11.740 Quote, I thought that it was so disgusting and unnatural, he says. When I asked Galloway

00:19:16.880 if he had a response to the backlash he's been getting over these comments he said over email

00:19:21.740 my comments were intentionally provocative in the context of a friendly snarky conversation with

00:19:26.860 Derek which is it's like exactly the kind of thing and I think many fathers can relate to

00:19:34.720 and making these conversations open and transparent I think is crucial and important like

00:19:40.380 when people pretend that like the birthing experience is beautiful especially for men

00:19:46.880 oh i don't i do not go my wife doesn't have me come to the delivery room well yeah and there

00:19:51.900 was the one time where you were in in with me with the c-section and you were like look like

00:19:56.400 you were so uncomfortable and trying to force this on men or even worse to sell them this fantasy of

00:20:01.980 like you're gonna love being a baby daddy like a a father of an infant you're gonna love being in

00:20:07.780 the delivery room will then set men up to think oh gosh like i i actually don't like this so this

00:20:14.100 means i'm not going to like to be a father yeah i'm not going to like all the other stuff and

00:20:18.680 actually in in his in his talk galloway makes it clear that it gets better so i'll keep going

00:20:27.000 so she also noted in her op-ed i'm reading from it now poor derrick thompson tried to push back

00:20:33.320 and launch a defensive parental leave most of the gap between prime age adult male and female

00:20:38.720 earnings is a motherhood penalty and so one benefit of the paternity leave is that it puts

00:20:43.620 men and women on a relatively more equal standing to which galloway replies by lowering the economic

00:20:48.880 standards of a man which is a super like valid reasonable point yes yeah she proceeded however

00:20:56.020 to cite research finding that paid paternity leave in quebec did not fix the motherhood penalty for

00:21:02.460 women nor did it substantially hurt men's economic standards so good for you then she also attempts

00:21:10.240 to exploit that not a baby man which i talk about like there's like 10 of men who are like they love

00:21:15.280 babies they just infants like they they want to hold them etc but like most men aren't but she

00:21:21.220 tries to exploit his scott galloway's not disinterest in babies with this she wrote it

00:21:28.140 gets worse thompson who is still glowing from the birth of his second child shares a very sweet story

00:21:33.020 and and how he feels an enormous upsurge of instinct how to parent my child thompson adds

00:21:38.760 I love discovering a new piece of myself in parenting. Galloway doesn't even seem to be

00:21:43.500 listening to Thompson because his response is, the bad news is it just sucks for the dad. We 0.97

00:21:49.500 pretend to like it. Galloway thinks dads are full of it when they say they like babies. They're

00:21:54.780 awful. As a new dad, your job is to make sure your moms don't lose it and get some sleep and keep the

00:22:01.080 baby away from bodies of water. That's literally your only two jobs right now. Or if the only two

00:22:06.620 things that you're any good at at about two or three it starts to get less awful and then by

00:22:11.580 four or five it almost becomes fun that's what scott galloway said she's quoting him in her

00:22:15.620 article and i think you would like you have said almost the same thing and other very pronatalist

00:22:21.220 and kid loving fathers that we know and trust and love who are very culturally different from us as

00:22:25.900 well has said the same thing that they're just not into kids before they turn like five basically and

00:22:31.340 then like yeah and then they get off them yeah and so that this woman is shaming scott galloway

00:22:37.140 for expressing an extremely pervasive view held by fathers and making galloway seem like kind of

00:22:43.740 a monster for doing so is it's both like unfair and and and fairly cruel but also i would argue

00:22:54.020 pretty antinatalist because again if you make men think like oh this is not normal this is bad this

00:22:59.200 must mean that i'll not like anything about being a father they might decide to get a vasectomy

00:23:04.100 they might decide to just give up on that and have just one thing that really hit me recently

00:23:09.560 is the day when i decided to go with you because you're doing your next implantation which we've

00:23:13.220 done recently so hopefully you're pregnant everyone be praying and getting in the car

00:23:18.160 and driving out and i realized at no point did it occur to me to not do this at no point did i

00:23:25.820 sit down and think do i really want another kid can we really afford another kid does this make

00:23:31.560 sense for our family it was just a regular yearly activity happening when it happened and it

00:23:38.560 reminded me in the same way when we read that piece about the early stage abortion and the

00:23:43.560 i met my husband at a gangbang episode watch that episode if you want to it's traumatizing

00:23:48.720 but that was radicalized simone against early stage abortion if you haven't seen it watch it's

00:23:53.980 i think one of our craziest episodes it'll start with you being all mad if you're a conservative

00:23:58.000 and then you're like wait this is what what but when she went to have an abortion there was no

00:24:06.980 moment leading up to the abortion that she really considered keeping the baby it was yeah there was

00:24:12.380 it was unthinkable just like it's unthinkable for us not to try for kids six yeah yeah and i

00:24:18.580 realize that that's the way it needs to be like not having kids needs to be completely unthinkable

00:24:24.580 in a marriage that is how you make this work for you for your kids for the way you make this work

00:24:29.000 in the same way that and and when do we start in fact let's just lay this out when do you start

00:24:34.540 with in techno puritanism at the maximum whether or not you're financially stable two years after

00:24:42.060 you're married yeah that makes sense oh yeah and if you and if you and if you can start before that 0.98

00:24:49.340 better the sooner the sooner the better for sure yeah they just so that's super unfair she she also

00:24:58.720 imposes another unfair implication on scott galloway she says scott galloway is entitled

00:25:04.260 to his feelings about parenting babies i'm sure he's not alone you're sure but what i'm objecting

00:25:11.180 to is the unset implication that it's super fun for moms all the time while also talking to a man

00:25:18.180 who seems to be wholeheartedly enjoying his small children. First, he's not implying that it's fun

00:25:23.640 for moms all the time. What he's implying when he's like, oh, you can only do two things, try

00:25:27.980 to get some sleep and like make sure the baby's not close to bodies of water. Is it like mothers 0.99

00:25:31.860 are dependent or like the ones who have the breast milk? Like you can't really substitute that. I 0.81

00:25:37.920 I mean, you can obviously do formula or you can feed bottles of breast milk, but if a 0.99

00:25:42.380 woman is lactating, like you can't lactate for her, you can't really do that.

00:25:46.680 And women who are newly postpartum have also gone through a bunch of hormonal shifts, which 0.99

00:25:51.240 I would argue make them more tolerant of sleep deprivation, make them more capable of not

00:25:56.820 being super stressed about taking care of a screaming infant in the middle of the night

00:26:00.480 or something like that than a father was.

00:26:03.300 I mean, things do change when you become a father, but not in the same way they do for

00:26:06.660 someone who's been pregnant for nine months. So I just think it's not, it's not even fair.

00:26:10.240 And then she frames his statement as elitist when he tries to defend himself when given a chance to

00:26:17.880 comment on this article. She, she wrote, when I asked Galloway, if he was familiar with any of

00:26:23.240 his research, she said, my point wasn't that he said, Galloway said, my point wasn't that maternity

00:26:29.680 leave is bad. It's that we should be honest about trade-offs and let families make decisions based

00:26:35.000 on their circumstances rather than treating one model as morally superior which she's clearly

00:26:39.460 doing she's like well maternity leave is is categorically better there's no there's no

00:26:44.540 ambiguity the studies say nuance yeah there's there's no nuance there but but he is he is

00:26:51.060 elitist because she's like well not everyone has that choice and she he finishes with i don't think

00:27:00.240 it's unusual for men to find childbirth uncomfortable or scary to watch and becoming

00:27:07.680 a dad is a rough transition for many there's all genre of internet videos of dads passing out in

00:27:13.200 the delivery room which i now need to explore but really i yeah i need to check this out i didn't

00:27:19.640 think that saying that watching women give birth is quote disgusting and unnatural end quote is the

00:27:25.100 best way to start this conversation galloway told me in an email the broader point i was making

00:27:30.800 clumsily is that we should be honest about the different experiences people have rather than

00:27:35.280 the perspectives about what every father must feel or do some dads experience profound bonding

00:27:41.540 in the first few weeks others find their strength later and she says he agrees with that statement

00:27:47.760 but only after an article criticizing him for it and galloway's making such an important point that

00:27:53.040 you know you're not not all dads feel this like love at first sight thing with their kids

00:27:57.700 um like you really don't you're like i need a paternity test i don't know about this like

00:28:02.640 and that's natural you are the most loving dad i've ever met you adore our children like

00:28:08.340 sometimes when i am like i i i need a moment you you really don't you're just always yeah i'm never

00:28:14.720 like i need a moment i'm always available for the kids yeah but and that's but you're still

00:28:21.920 you're not a baby man and it's so that's the thing it's like she's communicating this this

00:28:26.100 this really bad lie so anyway this is yeah the facet number three is the one the leftist

00:28:32.900 pronatalist who has a really big profile gets defenestrated by the new york times sharing

00:28:38.720 realistic policy positions and trying to make men who don't love babies not feel like they're just

00:28:45.620 going to be bad fathers and not suited to be parents at all okay great thanks new york times

00:28:50.220 so now we get to the new rights very old vision of men this is an episode of the ezra klein show

00:28:55.440 with helen lewis they discuss this concept she wrote about and refers to as masculinism so they

00:29:02.220 they open with clips of bronze age pervert and ducker carlson who are yearning for the ancient

00:29:08.200 hittite empire or ancient mitani empire or what we had before betty friedan wrote the feminine

00:29:14.480 but we need to talk about this because this is just not but a question simone question yeah

00:29:19.360 yeah total side note should i get octavian another game boy emulator well he was really

00:29:25.640 jealous of texas chew toy that looks like a game boy so it's 59 dollars i oh you're one of the

00:29:33.340 browsing prime day i was wondering why a white light reflected in those glasses of your you got

00:29:40.520 listen to me this is actually important so it it turns out that the the model that's the best and

00:29:46.720 the most robust because that's what specifically what i'm looking for is not a discounted for prime

00:29:51.000 day which doesn't cost that much we have time look he broke it they break everything i i don't think

00:29:57.960 we need to that's why i'm trying to get something more robust when we break something you just get

00:30:03.220 a new one he broke it over a year ago at this point come on see you're more forgiving than i am

00:30:09.660 oh sir so we'll let the audience decide yeah the audience will decide yeah yes or no to the please

00:30:16.460 no text oh my god so right so basically they open with these you know right right leaning influencers

00:30:24.120 although Tucker Carlson I think just declared he's not a republican about like yearning for the the

00:30:29.620 earlier days what they argue essentially in this episode trying to basically encapsulate and then

00:30:36.580 comment on the broader like masculinity sphere is that there is this coherent masculinist ideology

00:30:44.780 on the american light right sorry the american right that goes way beyond just like manosphere

00:30:50.480 provocateurs like andrew tate that the central claim of masculinism is that modernity is is

00:30:58.920 broken especially men it is it is thwarted masculinity there's dropping testosterone

00:31:04.320 there's dropping fertility men are ill-suited for this kind of society and they think that

00:31:12.060 true masculinity centers around hierarchy and dominance and risk-taking and clear gender roles

00:31:17.540 well this is all true and then they they point to figures like raw egg nationalist who we consider

00:31:24.720 to be a friend and really like bronze age pervert helen andrews who wrote the oh by the way we had

00:31:29.980 rye nationalists on the show if anyone has a contact to milo or bronze age pervert i'd love

00:31:34.880 to have both of them on the show truly they include jd vance in all this doug wilson parts 0.77

00:31:39.660 of heritage's agenda and we love heritage foundation so like we take this all very

00:31:43.560 personally they talk about various concerns expressed with mac masculinism i think their

00:31:49.940 primary criticism and it is abundant they say they spend a lot of time this is like all that

00:31:55.980 playing in my office all afternoon they don't like they think it has incoherent intellectualism

00:32:03.500 klein keeps finding that there's less here than i thought um but beneath this for his for his

00:32:10.620 stance grand talk of thimos and nietzsche and liberal decadence and the arguments often collapse

00:32:17.180 for his argument into trivial lifestyle advice like throw out your plastic chopping board or

00:32:23.660 or conspiratorial hormone politics,

00:32:26.780 or as Bronze Age Pervert would write, 1.00

00:32:29.740 whore-moans. 1.00

00:32:31.460 Whore-moans.

00:32:32.520 He knows what's up. 0.55

00:32:33.640 He knows what's up.

00:32:34.440 They argue that a lot of the literature

00:32:36.460 swaps serious argument for just trolling or irony and vibes.

00:32:41.220 No, they miss it.

00:32:42.700 They don't understand what's happening.

00:32:44.020 Yeah, they just sort of completely misread it.

00:32:47.320 Like, they don't understand the trolling.

00:32:48.960 They don't understand the aesthetics.

00:32:51.180 If you watch our show,

00:32:52.940 you will note that a lot of our show is trolling feeling that doesn't mean it doesn't have a lot

00:33:01.920 of substance there is substance there is research there is authenticating yeah yeah yeah the trolling

00:33:09.040 is a sign of authenticity and a way to socially signal what we've called i think what performative

00:33:14.920 vice to say like we are gen like we're doing the opposite of virtue signaling like signaling vice

00:33:21.160 to the extent that it will hurt our reputation just to show you that we have no desire to be

00:33:26.080 seen as good or smart for example of course they also highlight the movement's misogyny

00:33:33.880 they and this is actually the argument that we have also made yeah literally the reason like 0.64

00:33:42.240 we have no misogynistic opinion the only reason we don't want women to vote is because they keep 0.95

00:33:47.840 voting for the wrong candidate um i'm joking of course the real reason why it's bad for women to

00:33:54.880 vote is because if voting is a proxy for force so basically the reason you vote is like if you

00:34:01.160 went to war who would actually win of the two perspectives and women wouldn't be included in

00:34:06.620 that fighting force then eventually you create an asymmetry where it may make sense for a faction

00:34:13.600 of the population to just capture power via war so suppose as is increasingly happening

00:34:18.920 all of the women are sorting into one population block voting block and all the men are voting for

00:34:23.660 another candidate and then the male candidate loses and then the men just say well i don't 0.98

00:34:27.180 care anymore and this is why democracy prevents that it doesn't prevent it when you allow women 0.61

00:34:32.060 to vote right and but they they instead of hearing this like let's talk about the misaligned incentives

00:34:38.460 and how this is all playing out what they just see what they talk about in their podcast is like

00:34:43.580 they're just anti-democracy and they're just pro-violent and they don't really go deeper

00:34:48.680 than that because they just maybe they lack the capacity to read this more closely like you really

00:34:53.000 have to be looking at the problems in a very critical way well they still acknowledge the

00:34:58.000 problems like they acknowledge that boys are completely you know maladapted for the schools

00:35:03.760 the way they're set up now they they acknowledge that there's a health crisis and there's too much

00:35:07.540 sedentary life and everything so they they say that these are very real issues but then they

00:35:11.560 criticize the movement for using it to exploit young men for example with this sort of like

00:35:18.780 self-help ishness that isn't actually self-help the long story short because i could go into so

00:35:24.540 much more detail is that this this is a podcast that is huge viewership that's made by very

00:35:30.800 thoughtful people as recline is very thoughtful and i think very well-meaning but it's still

00:35:36.740 trying to frame this movement that is questioning modern norms in a way that isn't intended to

00:35:46.240 damage its credibility and stifle conversation about those genuine problems, which they even

00:35:52.100 acknowledge to be real, which I think is very annoying and grating, but also because they're

00:35:57.520 not dedicated to actually solving these problems in a way that could lead to inconvenient

00:36:01.380 truth surfacing again they're representative of a group that is not likely to inherit the future

00:36:08.180 so there's these different facets of the way that the new york times is trying to cover masculinity

00:36:12.940 they're trying to cover it by defenestrating the one left is pronatalist and and practical

00:36:19.540 parental leave policies they're trying to i'm so sorry about sex sex friend

00:36:26.280 like you're not distressed you're just you just want to try me and maybe you're tired they're

00:36:32.640 trying to under undermine masculinity by having a woman write about father's day and a trans man 0.68

00:36:39.920 write about father's day and they're they're trying to undermine masculinity by having a yeah 0.67

00:36:46.160 like the person on x pointed out a childless man decide what good parenting is and and proclaim it

00:36:54.640 in the new york times opinion section it's it's weird i don't know if like there's been something

00:37:01.220 started effort to talk about masculinity and to be like this i almost wonder if it's like a reaction

00:37:06.420 to the pushback from the first piece like we're just gonna go extra hard on this now that we've

00:37:10.940 gotten pushback or no because i mean i think these things required some research and scheduling and

00:37:16.720 prep to put together i don't know if it's just this like immune system like it could be and

00:37:23.560 i've been thinking about it as some kind of collective immune system response right that the

00:37:28.360 the white blood cells have recognized the the virus that is this this new movement broadly of

00:37:36.600 of fighting back against urban monoculture masculinity and the immune system is now

00:37:41.660 attempting to kill the virus by saying no this is what fatherhood is this is what masculinity is

00:37:48.100 this is what correct masculinity doesn't involve men i mean that seems to be the point of this right

00:37:53.460 it doesn't involve men and it doesn't involve fathers and it doesn't involve

00:37:58.040 genuinely trying to question the broken systems at play that are harmful toward both men and women

00:38:08.220 it's very frustrating but there you go it's wild i still really enjoyed the sick burns from the kid

00:38:16.620 because i love sick burns just just burning the train yeah but like i mean we see where this is

00:38:22.080 going like it's very concerning it's very concerning to me that like we can't have an

00:38:30.020 honest conversation around the things that don't seem to be working as a society and are just

00:38:37.340 supposed to go along with it just supposed to be like oh yeah this this is all fine this is all

00:38:40.960 working we can look at the outcomes and see how terrible they are but nope we'll just go along

00:38:47.160 with it yeah i don't know what to say aside from i can see why people on x were so mad and now i

00:38:54.940 understand but also maybe we're gonna have to reach a point where maybe guys we don't need to

00:39:00.500 read the new york times i don't i don't know i mean the new york times readership is basically

00:39:06.680 a contraceptive at this point right like if you read i used to love the new york times it was one

00:39:10.840 my favorite newspapers but uh well we didn't know i guess is over right like that world is over the

00:39:17.280 world of the new york times is not the world of the future of humans right we are the future of

00:39:24.120 humanity and we as hard as they fight back against us i was telling simone today but nux got

00:39:29.200 demonetized across youtube across all his channels i'm so and they said harassment i watch nux's

00:39:34.580 channel he doesn't harass anyone as far as i've seen he he very rarely makes specific call outs

00:39:40.460 except for hassan i guess if it's harassment against hassan okay that the delicate little

00:39:46.480 flower needed protection from nux but hassan regularly harasses other people right like

00:39:52.200 so i mean that's scary that's scary to be on a platform that can just do that when you're

00:39:56.760 following all of their rules i hope he gets monetized again this this reminds me actually

00:40:04.740 of what happened to leaflet when you included a clip of our kids being our kids being the you 0.98

00:40:13.560 know insane reavers they are and you being like you bastards and i think they i think they refer 0.98

00:40:19.540 to that as hate speech they said it was like attacking children or something yeah wasn't it 0.99

00:40:23.860 bullying i think it was i think it was exactly the same moderation reason though as what leaflet saw

00:40:29.540 when hers was demonetized so i mean i don't know what you say but it's a standard trans approach

00:40:35.920 you know and the fun thing is like i'd actually be okay if somebody figured out a way to make

00:40:40.600 transness demographically stable right like if you're a trans person you're watching this you're

00:40:46.080 like well like let's let's can i make it demographically stable fine like go for it

00:40:51.020 that'd be great in the culture series it is so in ian bank's culture series i think a lot of humans

00:40:55.880 because the body's modified so much that if you want to grow a uterus you like over a series of

00:41:01.340 months can just grow that organ and then shift your hormone because you have a you have a drug

00:41:05.860 gland every every culture citizen has the option to install a drug gland which can at any point

00:41:11.600 like release a variety of different mind-altering compounds like you can just instantly get drunk

00:41:17.400 when you want to get a stimulant when you need it like it has it's just an endogenous drug

00:41:22.460 producing gland that means you can also endogenously for the most part i think produce

00:41:27.780 everything you need to in order to transition your gender and there are characters that are

00:41:31.860 featured in the culture series who at points in their lives like decided to become a man for like

00:41:36.960 a couple years and become a woman for a couple years and that's a version of transness where

00:41:42.180 like you genuinely could with this drug gland grow a uterus have a baby get rid of the uterus 0.90

00:41:51.740 turn into a man again it and I I wouldn't like it's it's theoretically possible you could

00:42:00.480 possibly plausibly have some kind of like with really really advanced technology

00:42:05.320 you could have this right theoretically yes theoretically so okay that that is my version

00:42:12.660 my version of an ideal future is basically just the culture though I'm obsessed what is

00:42:19.480 As society changes, my views on this would change.

00:42:23.500 As technology changes, my views on this would change. 1.00

00:42:26.140 But right now, the wider culture around the trans phenomenon is so toxic and so damaging. 0.98

00:42:33.580 I just have to take the stance that if only to distance yourself from that wider culture, it's better not to transition, right? 0.99

00:42:43.020 like no matter how much you feel that you would benefit from it because the culture will attempt

00:42:50.100 to like if you transition and then you have an opinion that's not an approved opinion or even

00:42:56.900 the average opinion of the community shifts and now your previously approved opinion falls in the

00:43:02.320 unapproved category you get thrown in the gutter no matter how much you've done for the community

00:43:06.220 i mean look at how the community treats caitlin jenner look at how the community treats buck

00:43:09.840 angel the the two real like out in front advocates for it right like there there is no respite in

00:43:16.320 the community look at how the community treats anna valens did you know that anna valens ended

00:43:20.920 up being canceled by leftists this was this year oh gosh can you guess what can you guess why she

00:43:26.860 was canceled well i'm sure it had something to do with her general oversharing but i can't no no 1.00

00:43:33.140 what would be literally the craziest clown world this reason for her to be canceled her giantess

00:43:39.240 interest no no literally the craziest ah being a kirsha fan 1.00

00:43:46.220 oh she's not a kirsha fan by the way she tried to destroy kirsha's life 0.99

00:43:52.820 but the left doesn't care about what's true she did an article about why pippa wasn't so bad

00:43:59.940 compared to kirsha and somehow people got confused and thought she was a kirsha fan and

00:44:05.760 blue sky just ran with that

00:44:08.140 blue sky seems like the most

00:44:12.600 toxic but too boring to find amusing place is there a moment where like you wake up and you're

00:44:20.860 like wait did i choose the wrong team did did i choose the everybody stab everybody in the back

00:44:28.200 team i don't know man it's very frustrating i like that you brought these to my attention

00:44:35.920 oh now he's asleep yeah he just he just he needs to like scream and scream this is what i say when

00:44:42.160 he like has to yell himself to sleep and then and you're like oh right when i need to get up and

00:44:48.540 make dinner right when you need to get up and make dinner well i'm sure you'll be able to make dinner

00:44:53.520 even more obediently because of this Simone which is really what all of us care about here right

00:45:00.340 I need to know my place because we are oh god let me look at my notes what did Helen Lewis call

00:45:07.520 them I love Helen Lewis this is the problem I find her very funny and fun she calls it

00:45:13.780 masculinism yes because we are masculinists and so my job is in the kitchen

00:45:20.500 making well as as a masculinist i'm gonna get our kid another game console because he deserves one

00:45:26.540 sweetie what he's a sweetie how can we how can we deny him plus he's our son our sons must have 0.78

00:45:35.000 everything yes not our daughters i'm not getting one for our daughters she's a shark princess she

00:45:40.380 will take it from you she has made that very clear in recent episodes i had one of the ends

00:45:46.980 of the recent episodes where she was talking about how

00:45:48.980 she will only eat

00:45:51.020 some color fishes. Not her 1.00

00:45:52.900 favorite color, but like gray fishes.

00:45:55.260 And then she makes an eating

00:45:57.100 show of how she's going to eat 0.96

00:45:59.020 them. And then she'll eat

00:46:00.880 divers like me.

00:46:03.180 She explicitly points

00:46:04.940 at me. Like, not regular people. She's like,

00:46:06.980 no. You! 1.00

00:46:09.160 It's terrible because it's rubbing off 1.00

00:46:10.860 on her little sister, Indy. 0.70

00:46:12.740 And now Indy's just all about being defiant

00:46:14.880 when she used to be my little... 1.00

00:46:16.980 a little turkey she'd be my little helper she would bust her table she's still obsessed with 0.83

00:46:22.860 cleaning though i i need to pretend that that's subversive my spray bottle my spray bottle 1.00

00:46:28.960 wait indy fights back now why cleaning because i think she sees all her siblings do it she wants 1.00

00:46:36.560 to be like her big big brothers and sister that's really sweet you did a good job making these 1.00

00:46:43.700 little monsters yeah well she used to clean and now she just uses her spray bottle to attack people

00:46:49.180 so and i demand praise for the expensive microphone guys i gotta yeah now you've listened

00:46:57.000 to text screaming in your ear how do you feel now do you want me to go back to the old one

00:47:03.120 do you do did i do the right thing are you happy now are you happy are you happy now

00:47:08.320 are you happy now are you oh my god you were saying look i'm gonna be i'm gonna be good

00:47:15.220 about this i'm even ordering it slow so we get the seven percent back thank you actually i always do

00:47:23.480 that i did that for these because they cost them as much as our house what what what cost oh no i

00:47:32.860 didn't do it with these i didn't do it with the microphones oh no but we needed these quickly 0.99

00:47:39.320 yeah we did for you guys for you guys for you assholes 0.98

00:47:44.320 we gotta get more swords while they're on sale swords all right i need to right i need to end 0.98

00:47:52.960 i'm sorry tex all right before he starts screaming we're gonna we're gonna hit end here

00:47:57.640 love you guys bye i love you malcolm let me do you're my special subpony

00:48:03.380 oh but i think texas look at that he's getting a little love not me

00:48:09.300 you're you're he's a he's shards of your soul malcolm

00:48:12.560 he's here and he's made of you yeah okay you guys need to become dads too so find a wife

00:48:21.180 work really yeah become a dad don't don't expect to love labor and delivery and don't expect to

00:48:28.000 love babies but if you do that's watching this go to the freaking discord there's some guy there

00:48:32.260 who will wipe you up there's some great guys in the discord who are very better among our paid

00:48:37.540 users that's that's where you know you get the big spenders right professionals yes no true true

00:48:43.160 that's how you know they are financially secure oh yeah we should yeah actually if you want to

00:48:47.680 if you're a woman looking we we should like be able to email all the paid subscribers women who

00:48:53.200 are looking for husbands no should we do locked and reported does like once a year some kind of

00:48:59.800 singles thing no i think because we're a majority male just female only if you're looking for a

00:49:05.760 husband oh we should have just like some kind of directory of profiles no we we should just do an

00:49:11.860 email blast for paid subscribers okay you have all their emails i'm sure most of them would

00:49:17.700 appreciate even just knowing like even if they're not even they're married or whatever they'd

00:49:21.960 appreciate that we're trying to get somebody married and it's another reason to subscribe

00:49:26.900 yeah i'll find a way i'll find a way to do this in a thoughtful way we'll take advice okay bye

00:49:33.600 guys bye bye bye bye bye text ate like half a sleeve of ritz crackers today that's a slight

00:49:39.520 but only slight ate half a sleeve of wrist cracker he's obsessed he's obsessed he's a man

00:49:45.800 he's putting on the ritz it's his on the ritz yeah and look look look i got a techno puritan

00:49:54.240 knife the first one i was able to get this on amazon day for 15 bucks so it's a good price for

00:50:00.480 a stabby knife significantly because it's more slicey than stabby significantly better than the

00:50:09.020 the ones that the Sikhs have in terms of a knife fight well I mean their knives were invented a 1.00

00:50:15.880 long time before so they're just not as sophisticated yeah that's interesting yeah I 1.00

00:50:19.480 feel like the LDS church would if they had knives update them with time maybe the Sikhs just haven't 0.98

00:50:24.520 had enough time and then they'll update the it's called the cure pan right yeah I mean the bowie 0.99

00:50:30.040 knife is really the knife of the American frontier yeah and so it is a traditional American knife

00:50:35.960 it's called the the excalibur of the americas that is amazing i've not heard that i've already

00:50:41.880 used it like multiple times i didn't know how useful it would be to just have a knife on me

00:50:45.840 at all times my favorite part though is when you're trying to tell me the amazing history

00:50:49.300 of the bowie knife and the guy who invented it you kept confusing his name because we both you

00:50:52.900 and i are terrible at names we kept calling him david bowie because every time i hear the name

00:51:00.200 david bowie i i get that one clip from zoolander where it's david bowie and let's dance flashes on

00:51:07.720 real fast it's it's great it's great so now every time i see your knife just so you know

00:51:13.220 any sort of a curry with french fries would be good or okay do you want sweet potato again or

00:51:21.420 you want you want me to mix it up you have a fried wardrobe now basically so i mean the sweet

00:51:26.060 potatoes were fantastic i would love to go for a new curry and sweet potato uh yes the sweet

00:51:31.280 potatoes works yeah i mean the we have to again we have different fries if you want different

00:51:35.580 fries we can try a different which ones do we have i don't i the freezer is not in front of you

00:51:40.600 but i think it's a new one it's maybe when you got it martha it's like a seasoned fry

00:51:44.860 oh i want to try the seasoned fries let's try those oh boy tex we got a new mic you're trying

00:51:51.320 it out guys we finally got those super expensive like 300 mics that everyone's been telling us to

00:51:57.940 get the shore sevens so they better sound better because they were very expensive they were very

00:52:04.080 expensive but what have you guys done we even got them on discount and we were like i'm never going

00:52:08.060 to financially recover from this so what have you done what have you done you guys wanted better

00:52:13.740 audio and now you're gonna get yeah now you're gonna hear text screaming and drooling into your

00:52:18.860 ear in well that's audio that's what you get throughout the day Simone come on yeah I guess

00:52:25.700 that's I'm so sorry to all of you I might put I'm gonna I'm gonna see if he can chill on his

00:52:30.500 snappy later do I sound any different to you on here Simone no but you know we don't I don't hear

00:52:36.160 it I don't hear the difference between audio quality like everyone else is like audio this

00:52:39.540 audio this to me we sound no different from Asmogold we sound no different from Nux so that

00:52:45.280 that's part of the problem with like the audio file is i can't hear the difference

00:52:52.080 he's not happy

00:52:55.360 okay am i gonna get him milk before we start we're we're gonna start he's an angry elf i'm not you 0.67

00:53:01.760 know i can't think when there's baby crying so i will be you will get him milk going deep into the

00:53:06.960 the jungle guys? Is this a jungle or woods? That's called a temperate rain forest guys.

Based Camp - June 25, 2026

NY Times Tries to Rewrite Masculinity and Fatherhood

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