Obamacare is Subsidizing Orgies (Yes Really)
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Summary
When you ever look at your health care bills, why is it so unaffordable to force everyone onto the same health care plan? And the answer might surprise you: gay orgies. Yes, that's right, you read that correctly.
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Keep in mind, straight people can get HIV-A2 and straight people might need PrEP as well.
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Straight people who wouldn't need PrEP are straight people who are in monogamous relationships
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It is not the being gay that makes somebody need PrEP.
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It's the orgies that make somebody need PrEP or the treating sex like a handshake among
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If you are straight and you are doing that, you will need PrEP.
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If you are gay and you are monogamous, you will not need PrEP.
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When the act was passed, it was mandated that all insurance plans have to pay for this.
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So if a person is sexually active, they have to pay for this.
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Obamacare has made things insane because insurance companies can't say, well, we won't take you.
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You need to go for a higher cost insurance if you're going to make these lifestyle choices.
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Because at the end of the day, going to orgies is a lifestyle choice.
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Again, it's not just that it's affecting insurance.
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A number of states just offer this for free to people who want it.
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People pretend like this stuff, money comes from nowhere.
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If it's going to this, it's not going to sick kids.
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And I actually want to point out the perversion of a society that sees it as a moral necessity
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to pay for a drug that enables sex whenever you want, but that doesn't see it as a moral
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necessity to pay for IVF, the creation of new human life.
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Today's episode was inspired by actually an episode that Short Fat Otaku had done that
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opened my eyes to something I had no idea was going on.
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And it means when you ever look at your health care bills and you're like, why is Obamacare
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Why is it so unaffordable to force everyone onto the same health care plan?
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Among other things, but definitely it seems gay orgies.
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And I don't think that there is actually that easy a moral solution to this.
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Like at first, it's going to seem like, oh, obviously you should do X.
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But then when you think about it for a second, you're like, oh, but that'll have some really
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So I will describe to you the first tweet in this chain that led to the Twitter fight.
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Plant Mommy Positis said, realizing that sex doesn't have to be this sacred, all-important
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thing and can instead just be an expression of affection between friends who are dear to
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one another is honestly the most life-changing realization for me, surpassed only by realizing
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So this is obviously a trans person they're pointing out here and saying, well, because
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you don't, most girls don't realize they're girls as a girl.
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I feel like I realized I was a girl when your mom was like, did you know that you can dress
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I want to reread what we're saying here, right?
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Because I actually think this ends up being important to the conversation.
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That the huge realization for them that was the second biggest realization they've had in
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their life, that sex can just be an expression of affection between friends.
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Like going out and getting drinks, going hiking.
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Then a person responded to them, Mia, aren't we in another AIDS epidemic or something?
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And then the original poster replied, I literally take pills every day that make it so I can't
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And then Short Fatter Taku butted in here with the Spongebob fish meme looking like, and says,
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you need to take pills to not contact, to not contract HIV.
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You can't just not have sex with people who have HIV.
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This is considered just a completely out of line thing for him to say.
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That they should be, from his cultural perspective, that he expects them to exercise any level of
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There's a pill that can keep you from getting HIV now?
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We're going to go into what this pill is, how it works, how well it works, etc.
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I also didn't know that the drugs around HIV are so good now that generally, if you're on
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So this is needed more for people who aren't already on drugs or don't know that they have
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HIV, i.e., this isn't really as relevant if you have a partner.
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So somebody can be like, oh, well, you need this if you have a partner with HIV, but not
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necessarily anymore because now you can be made non-contagious.
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Well, so basically, as long as the partner is taking it, it's okay.
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So this is really specifically mostly meant for orgies.
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Or, yeah, well, basically, if you can't guarantee that the people with whom you're sexually
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intimate are being very conscientious about taking this medication if they indeed are HIV
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So if, one, you aren't being indiscriminated about having sex, or two, you're having sex,
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but only with people where you know they're not HIV positive.
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Or three, you do know they're HIV positive, but you can 100% trust that they're taking
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But if you are treating a, you know, sex is just something you do with your friends when
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He is not, she is not being irresponsible in taking this medicine.
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And she is not spreading HIV because she's taking this medicine.
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So, you know, I support that she has chosen this lifestyle.
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But then that got me thinking, okay, how much does this stuff cost?
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Now, this gets interesting because this is where I was like, uh-oh.
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Anyway, so I'm just going to read to you because I decided to ask perplexity about some of this
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So a month's supply of PrEP, pre-exposure prophylaxis medicine, specifically Trivetta,
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While the generic version is approximately $60 per month, the total annual cost can exceed
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$21,000 if purchased without any financial assistance or insurance coverage.
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However, most private health insurance plans, as well as Medicare and Medicaid, are required
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to cover the cost of PrEP without any out-of-pocket expenses due to provisions under the Affordable
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However, patients may still incur costs related to lab tests and doctor visits, which are
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And that's because it's very hard on your liver.
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If you consistently take this, you will probably die from it.
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So I dug into this a bit more because I wanted to make sure I was correct in this statement.
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And it turns out that most of the people who are on PrEP are regularly seeing doctors to
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monitor for dangerous levels of things like lactate acetosis or liver cancer, which they
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So while it is almost certainly shortening your lifespan, it is not necessarily going to
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kill you if you are seeing the doctor regularly for it.
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So they're also sacrificing their health and lifespan for these in-the-moment indulgences.
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So basically, if the government's supporting this, probably they're going for the generic
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You're being prescribed the generic version and the government or your insurance company
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I've got to keep going here because we've got to go who pays for this, okay?
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And which is being purchased, the generic or the brand?
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To assist those who may not have insurance or whose insurance does not cover PrEP, several
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Advanced Access Medication Assistance Program covers out-of-pocket costs for Trevidia up to
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This is a program that is run by Gilead Sciences, the manufacturer of Trevidia.
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And it's likely really just a tiered pricing thing.
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So people don't know when companies do this, where they will create another version of their
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product that they can still be cash positive on, but that only poor people can buy so that
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they can make money from those poor people and look like they're doing a nice thing,
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or really they're just doing price discrimination.
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Because, you know, they still want to sell the drug, right, to as many people as possible,
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but they don't want to lower the price for the people who can pay more, right?
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The next one is Ready, Set, PrEP, which provides pre-Trevidia to individuals without prescription
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This is a national program run by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
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And then co-pay relief programs offer up to $7,500 a year for out-of-pocket expenses.
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And this is offered by the Patient Advocate Foundation and is available nationwide.
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I assume that this has to do with U.S. patents, because my understanding is that you just can't
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All right, so I dug into this more because it was very confusing to me as to why people
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So it appears that the primary reason people are not buying the generic is bureaucratic bloat.
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So a lot of the insurance companies, remember how all the insurance companies had to cover
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Well, a lot of them never added the generics to their sort of approved drugs list.
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So they are paying for the much more expensive form.
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So this cost is being passed on just because from the perspective of the customer, they don't
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For them, it's free either way because, you know, the Obamacare plan forces insurance companies
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And because they don't carry the generic, people are just buying the more expensive one.
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It is going to your child's health insurance costs and stuff like that.
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Another side here is that the generics only really came onto the market in 2021.
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And because of that, a lot of the debate around should this be covered and how much it's impacted
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our health care system happened before the price drop.
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Okay, so one thing to note here is when the act was passed, it was mandated that all insurance
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So if a person is sexually active, they have to pay for this and wants this drug.
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Well, first, also, let's talk about this program that I was talking about that pays
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$7,500 a year for out-of-pocket costs for this.
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I went to this program's website because this is a non-profit, right?
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And I was like, okay, what do they tell people who are giving them money that the money is
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They tell people that the money is going to food and nutritional expenses, utility bills,
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rent or mortgage payment, temporary lodging, transportation costs, and child care expenses.
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And people are like, why is there a moral problem here?
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Well, it's because of an opt-in lifestyle choice, this money, now $7,500 a year, is going
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to allow for a lifestyle that I assume many of the people don't know that they are donating
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Like, people pretend like this stuff, money comes from nowhere.
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If it's going to this, it's not going to sick kids.
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It's not going to utility expenses for somebody's house.
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Well, I also think that the bigger issue is that we are now paying in the United States
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very high insurance premiums, and our insurance covers very little.
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And when insurance companies are, from a regulatory perspective, obligated to pay for services for
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certain people, that means that they're going to charge more to everybody else to be able
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So this is also families who are not able to get insurance at all because they can't
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This is businesses offering crappier programs to their employees because their premiums are
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This is people not having deductibles they can ever meet.
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Like, we're on a deductible plan that I think for our families, something like $12,000 before
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our insurance starts to cover anything we have to pay.
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The Obamacare has made things insane because insurance companies can't say, well, we won't
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You need to go for a higher cost insurance if you're going to make these lifestyle choices.
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Because at the end of the day, going to orgies is a lifestyle choice.
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And we'll get into how much of a lifestyle choice it is in a second.
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But I want to finish it with the pre-prepared stuff before we get into any moral questionability
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Again, it's not just that it's affecting insurance.
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A number of states just offer this for free to people who want it.
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So several states have established a drug assistance program that can cover the cost
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of PrEP, including lab tests and doctor's visits.
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The states with such programs include California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Florida, Illinois,
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Indiana, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Virginia, and Washington.
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So I want to, before we go into the discussion of this, talk about how it works and the current
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sort of state of AIDS treatment, because I think that is important to talk about it.
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I'm glad that this exists, and I'm glad that it's becoming less expensive.
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I do have questions about the morality of this being covered by Medicaid.
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And being mandated by the government, because that means that you are mandating, you know,
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people who might have pretty strong religious objections to this to essentially be subsidizing
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lifestyles that they believe, not us, but I can totally understand how somebody would have
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questions about this, even without having a problem with a person being gay or a person
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You know, you can be gay and trans and not go to orgies all the time.
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You know, this is a subsection of these communities.
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You know, not all gay people are degenerates, you know, and I'm not saying that everyone
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who goes to orgies all the time is degenerates, but probably, you know, there's probably some
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But anyway, I mean, it's not for me to judge other people's lifestyles.
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And when I say it's not for me to judge, you know, who is it to judge?
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You know, I let people make their own choices and deal with the consequences of those choices.
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It's not for me to dole out those consequences.
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However, in our Discord, somebody was asking, you know, do we really want, because a number,
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especially of gay men, like of the real gay community, not the opt-in LGBTQI plus, oh,
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I'm non-binary today community, but the real OG gay community has been moving increasingly
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And some people on our Discord were wondering, is it actually good to bring these types of
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And one of the things that I have noticed with this community, and a gay person within
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our Discord was also saying, yeah, this observation that you had is very accurate of the community,
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is it's sort of split into two groups which kind of hate each other.
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One is sort of wholesome, mostly monogamous, gay people who are looking for long-term partners
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And even, you know, as a Christian, if I believe that they live a life of sin, yes, but I don't
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see it as a particularly higher life of sin than a couple that is childless by choice.
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You know, that they both are engaging in non-reproductive sex for pleasure, like that is bad from my
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perspective. But again, so I don't, you know, should we let, should I, you know, as a state,
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be breaking up couples who don't want to have kids? Like, no, so I don't see a problem with the other
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type of couple. And I should note here that I think they're living significantly less lives of sin
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than somebody who is out there having, you know, straight sex with a different girl every other week
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and going to nightclubs and partying all the time.
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But then the other community has just gone full on like degenerate, degenerate, degenerate mode.
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And it is, and you'll see this in another episode that we actually recorded alongside this episode,
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but that's going to go live on different days, is just how fully degenerate the stuff they're
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Believing Americans have essentially a constitutional right to orgies is low scale on the degeneracy.
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So I will read about how it works and what it is. PrEP is a preventative medication for individuals
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at high risk of contracting HIV. It is designed for those who do not have HIV, but may be exposed to
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it through sexual activity or injection drug use. And keep in mind, straight people can get HIV too,
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and straight people might need PrEP as well. Straight people who wouldn't need PrEP are straight people
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who are in monogamous relationships and trust their partner. So really the thing here,
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and I think a lot of people will say like you're being homophobic or you're being transphobic,
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but the truth is, is that it is not the being gay that makes somebody need PrEP. It's the orgies
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that make somebody need PrEP or the treating sex like a handshake among friends that makes somebody
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need PrEP. If you are straight and you are doing that, you will need PrEP. If you are gay and you are
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doing that, you will need PrEP. If you are gay and you are monogamous, you will not need PrEP.
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And the vast majority of cases. Now there are minor cases that we'll get to in a second.
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And if you are straight and you are monogamous, you will not need PrEP. So this is about a lifestyle
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choice, not like an inborn difference between individuals or maybe is it. We'll get to that
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in a second. Okay. PrEP involves taking medications that can significantly reduce the risk of HIV
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infection when taken consistently. It can lower the risk of getting HIV from sexual intercourse
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by 99% and from sharing needles by at least 75%. So that's the important thing that that exists.
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There are two main forms of PrEP. Daily oral medication. This is a pill taken once a day,
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an injection that is administered every two months, which may be more convenient for some
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individuals. Who should consider PrEP? PrEP is recommended for individuals who meet the
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following criteria. Having a sexual partner who is HIV positive, no consistent use of condoms during sex,
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having been diagnosed with a sexually transmitted STI in the past six months, which basically means
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they're sleeping around a lot. Injecting drugs and sharing needles are having an injection partner
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with HIV. An injection partner? You just use a different needle, you fucking nut job. Hold on.
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I doubt, I doubt that those are common cases. They're just, they're just outlining all the
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scenarios. No one wants to share, Malcolm, trust me, no one wants to share a needle. They just get
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more blunt. You know, it's not fun. So yeah, this is not, I don't think it's a common scenario,
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especially because there are so many needle distribution programs now, not an issue.
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Yeah. I was asking about what's the probability that somebody who's on normal HIV medication today
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is contagious to their partner. Based on recent research, people with low HIV viral loads have
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extremely low risk of transmitting HIV through sex. A systematic review of eight studies involving 7,762
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couples found that the risk of sexual transmission of HIV is almost zero when the HIV positive partner,
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has a viral load of less than 1,000 copies per milliliter. Three studies showed no HIV transmission
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when the HIV positive partner had a viral load of less than 200 copies per milliliter,
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considered undetectable. Across all studies analyzed, there were only two cases of transmission
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when the HIV positive partner's most recent viral load was less than 1,000 copies. However,
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these cases had long intervals between the viral load testing and transmission,
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complicating the interpretation. So basically, it's never been confirmed that somebody with a low
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load has transmitted HIV. The CDC stated that people who take antiviral therapy ART daily as
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prescribed and maintain an undetectable viral load have a quote-unquote effectively no risk
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of sexually transmitting HIV to an HIV negative partner. This concept is known as quote-unquote
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undetectable or untransmissible or U equals U. And it's actually so low now that there is a sperm
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bank for HIV positive individuals that's inclusive of them. So I'll talk a little bit about this sperm
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bank because that means this shows you how low it's perceived as within the community. Based on the
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latest scientific evidence and updated regulations, sperm and egg donation from HIV positive individuals
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with undetectable viral loads can be safely done without transmitting HIV to the recipient or the
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resulting child under certain circumstances. The donor must have sustained undetectable viral load
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less than 200 copies for at least six months prior to the donation. The donor must be on an effective
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antiretroviral treatment for at least six months and the recipient must be informed about the donor's
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HIV positive status. And this is, and I'll post it on screen here, called sperm positive.
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I, and the two women on it are two fat women, of course, with a baby, a lesbian, fat, interracial
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couple with a baby. It doesn't think there's anything wrong with it. They just look very
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stereotypically like SJW, which is fine. I mean, I guess that's the type of person who would want
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this, right? You know, I don't, I don't, I actually think people expect me to be like more
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against this. If a couple is informed that that's what they're doing, when they're doing this, I don't know,
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for them. Well, Malcolm, you know, if in the end you are, you know, someone who through things that
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happened in your past, I mean, listen, people, I don't think consensually choose to have unprotected
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sex with someone who's HIV positive, you know, it happens once, whatever. And then, you know,
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that's something you have to live with for the rest of your life. I think it's great that these
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people are still able to have kids if they want them. That's fantastic. So yes, I think we can all
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agree that this is a fantastic medical treatment and that I'm really glad that this exists and that
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it's available as an option. This is great. Yeah. But the question is, is it ethical to force
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families to subsidize this? And this is where I feel like it's, it's less of a gray area than you are.
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Now I understand from a governmental and policy perspective that it's, you know, you, here's a
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chance for a government to, to quash the spread of a very dangerous disease where there is collateral
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damage, you know, when you don't openly control it in this way. Yeah. And I, and I want to highlight
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the collateral damage that he's talking about here, you know, during the AIDS epidemic, little kids
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died from like blood transfusions or like, you know, you step on a needle in a park as the rates.
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It's not just the people who have consciously chosen a behavior that you disagree with who end
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up suffering because drugs like this are not widely available. Anyway, continue. Yeah. At the same time,
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I do have some doubts about this because as you point out, this is a lifestyle choice. You do not
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have to have sex with people in a way that would require you to take this medication. And when I think
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about the, like trying to find an equivalent, it's not charged, you know, this might be like, okay,
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well maybe, you know, my life is better. You know, this is part of my identity, right? My identity
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is that I am, you know, gay and I have sex in this way. And it's just like part of my expression. It's
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part of what I do to have fun. But I think a lot of people, you know, identify as, you know, social
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butterflies who like to go out and, you know, have a nice brunch once a month, right? Let's just say,
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let's say that the actual cost to governments and insurance companies like marginal is $60 per person
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to be like $65 per person, bare minimum, right? So what if also, you know, for some people to live
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a happy, fulfilled life, they, you know, went out to brunch with their friends once a month because
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that made them happy. And that costs, you know, for them, you know, a good boozy brunch, $65 per
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person. Should the government also subsidize that? Because it's part of their life. It makes them
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happy. They wouldn't be as happy if they didn't do it. I thought the thing that you said to me
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really moved my mind on this is you're like, yeah, what, what if somebody wants like a nicer
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apartment, right? Like, does the government have to subsidize that nicer apartment? Because it would,
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you know, it's part of their life. It would make their lives better. They'd be much more
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comfortable. Yeah. You know, they're in a long distance relationship with someone, right? Does
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the government have to subsidize their plane flights? Or they like to travel to Europe once
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a year? You know, that's part of who they are, you know, does the government have to subsidize that?
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Is it moral to have families that are struggling to get by that are struggling to, you know, keep
00:25:14.900
whether whose kids have diseases and stuff like that to be taking from like kids cancer funds to fund
00:25:21.160
this? Is that moral? Yeah. And that's where I really question it. I think you're right here.
00:25:29.060
But here's the question I would have, because this is where I do support it. I do support it in
00:25:35.420
instances where somebody has a committed monogamous marriage and their partner is HIV positive.
00:25:43.280
In that case, do you still not support it? Now, remember, they can be basically non-transmissible,
00:25:52.080
but it's still recommended they take it. I guess, I guess I wouldn't even support it there. And I'll
00:25:57.560
explain why. It is not that we are saying this drug should not be accessible to anyone who can afford
00:26:03.880
it. There are tons of things involved with a monogamous marriage that people choose to afford
00:26:09.920
to have sex, for example, right? Like if you're in a monogamous marriage, but you don't want to have
00:26:16.140
kids yet. So the government be forced to pay for your condoms. Or birth control. Yeah. And like,
00:26:22.380
there are plenty of religious groups that are not really in favor of insurance companies by default
00:26:26.560
covering the cost of birth control pills, for example, or. Yeah. I mean, even between a husband and
00:26:33.200
wife, I, I, I, I even still think, so keep in mind, we're not talking about gay couples here. I'm
00:26:37.440
talking about a husband and wife where one of them is HIV positive. I unfortunately think it is not the
00:26:43.640
government's responsibility to cover this. I would like to see the price continue to drop and for it
00:26:48.340
to be more affordable. But I think at the end of the day, sex is a recreational activity.
00:26:55.480
It's an option. Yeah. Like, well, and if we're, if we're going to, if we're going to subsidize
00:26:59.900
recreational activities, then the question is, well, why aren't we subsidizing all of these other
00:27:06.280
things? You know, you know, what, you know, what if, what if this person is, you know, anxious and
00:27:10.820
they really hate taking public transportation because, you know, they're autistic. Like I'm
00:27:15.220
autistic. I had a huge fear of public transportation for a very long time. Like, should the government
00:27:19.380
pay for my Ubers? Like, you know, there, there are all these questions that this, this opens up and it
00:27:25.360
just, yeah, I don't, I don't know really, unless we're capable financially of subsidizing a whole bunch
00:27:34.900
of other things, which we're not, how can this be justified? I guess. So there's, you know, we have
00:27:40.960
to come back to the public health question of what about, you know, the children who may be born, who
00:27:44.940
may have HIV because this wouldn't be subsidized. That's, I, you know, I, that's where I start to get
00:27:49.940
like, you know, and kids get hurt. I draw a line, you know, I can't deal with it anymore. So that's,
00:27:55.000
that's one potential issue. You know, I also think about the fact that like a lot of people from a,
00:28:00.000
this is my identity and lifestyle perspective, make a lot of financial decisions that are
00:28:05.140
unsustainable for them. You know, like, let's say like, I'm the person who identifies with,
00:28:08.400
you know, having a boozy brunch once, you know, every month. And then they put that on credit card
00:28:12.300
debt and then their debt sort of spirals out of control. And then they can't retire and their
00:28:17.580
children are forced to take care of them in old age or, you know, worse, they become, you know,
00:28:21.880
burden on the state and all these sort of bad things happen. So I would also argue that it's not
00:28:27.780
just with, you know, HIV risk where people can cause a lot of damage to others, like collateral
00:28:34.960
damage by being irresponsible and pursuing their hedonic pursuits, such as eating out or taking an
00:28:42.040
Uber instead of public transportation or walking, for example. So we can't even say that like,
00:28:47.780
oh, this is different. You know, this is the other interesting thing that's come down from this
00:28:53.400
is that this went viral. That short fat otaku saying, you need to take pills to not contract
00:29:02.000
HIV. You can just not have sex with people who have HIV was such an offensive thing within this
00:29:09.940
modern cultural context that we're in. Advocating any form of restraint is seen as a sin. I think that
00:29:20.640
that's one element of it. But I also think because keep in mind, this isn't a gay versus straight
00:29:26.740
thing. This is a orgies, sex with strangers versus non sex with strangers. Is that now a culturally
00:29:34.860
sacred practice to the urban monoculture? Is the orgy now something that they consider almost like a
00:29:44.680
sacred religious tradition which must be subsidized by the state? Well, so was the reaction mostly
00:29:52.160
negative or was it a lot of people? Mostly negative. Mostly negative and horrified negative.
00:29:57.740
Like this guy needs to be off the internet. They said that he was trying to commit genocide.
00:30:01.600
They said that he was, you know, it was extremely, extremely negative. And, you know, here I want to
00:30:08.300
put the South Park clip of them all having gay sex in the human race because that's sort of where I feel
00:30:14.060
the urban monoculture is going these days. It's like they don't have a reason to keep going. And so
00:30:19.080
they've invented this strange orgy ritual. And now it's become a sacred cow for them.
00:30:26.260
These unemployed men have been having sex for several days. Joining me now is their spokesperson.
00:30:31.360
What exactly are you trying to accomplish? We're doing the only thing we can do. We have to take
00:30:36.600
matters into our own hands. We're trying to turn everyone gay so that there are no future humans.
00:30:43.540
And I think that people outside the urban monoculture, because there's some things with
00:30:47.440
the urban monoculture where you just don't realize that there's like this new sacred line
00:30:51.580
that's been created. And that if you cross it, you get like beaten down. And the factor of
00:30:57.160
saintness of being able to have sex whenever you want with whoever you want without any consequences
00:31:08.240
Yeah, I'm noticing that it's it's something that as a candidate for state rep, I'm also
00:31:14.340
coming across like I, I get a lot of candidate questionnaires from groups that may or may not
00:31:19.420
endorse me as a candidate, right? That may or may not donate to me to like they sort of want to say
00:31:24.260
like, these are our, you know, official candidates that are approved because they are with us on policy.
00:31:29.480
And just today, I received an email from a big LGBT Q plus group in Pennsylvania. And I was like,
00:31:37.900
Oh, this is awesome. Like I can fill this out. And they'll see that I you know, like we're we're super
00:31:43.100
supportive of, you know, basically LGBT rights. Oh, and then I start going through the questionnaire.
00:31:50.180
And it's not really about about rights or freedom. It's about making people with who choose to classify
00:32:02.740
in certain LGBTQ plus categories, a protected class. It's about regulating protections and privileges
00:32:10.740
for them that go above and beyond standards to which normal people are held. And I got really
00:32:17.440
uncomfortable, like looking at the questions. And I'm just not going to fill it out. I think
00:32:21.840
because I actually think maybe we should do an episode on the questionnaire. Oh, yeah, maybe we
00:32:26.320
should. Because it was, you know, I went in and I was like, Oh, this is gonna, you know, like slam dunk,
00:32:31.080
this is gonna be great. You know, I can show to centrists and and Democrats in our district that like,
00:32:37.240
Oh, you know, actually, you know, we're pretty socially progressive. And then I'm going in and I'm like,
00:32:42.100
we are not. Are you realizing that we're not socially progressive? Apparently not. Apparently
00:32:48.660
I'm a, an evil bigot. Like socially progressive means now is that you believe that class, like,
00:32:57.060
like human, our society should be divided into different caste groups that have different levels
00:33:02.880
of rights to human dignity. Ethnicity is one divider here. But gender is another opt in divider,
00:33:08.560
you can opt into this, like non binary identity, and be treated as suddenly get all these, well,
00:33:14.580
per per their preference, suddenly get all these additional protections and privileges,
00:33:18.640
but again, that are not afforded to other people. So I have a thought experiment for you,
00:33:25.440
about sort of, you know, where are we going to end up on prep, right? Because we've kind of already
00:33:28.780
said the state shouldn't subsidize people's lifestyle choices, you know, especially if they're
00:33:34.060
culturally based, and you know, kind of like, well, you don't have to, you don't have to pursue this,
00:33:38.560
or you can pay for it yourself if you really need to, right? It's a nice to have, not a necessity.
00:33:43.920
We've known young people who definitely use like government healthcare, and who definitely use
00:33:51.440
PrEP, and who we really like. And, you know, if there was a world where like the government stopped
00:33:59.300
paying for PrEP, like, what if we were sitting across from them, like having drinks, you know,
00:34:04.640
and we're having this conversation, and they're like, yeah, well, but I use PrEP, you know, and I
00:34:09.120
can't afford it, you know, if suddenly the state's not paying for it anymore. Like, do you want me to
00:34:14.560
get AIDS? You know, what do we say to our young friends?
00:34:17.860
I want you to exercise. And I think that this is a really interesting thing that was in the urban
00:34:22.600
monoculture, explaining to someone that there are consequences for their actions, and that they need
00:34:27.580
to exercise a degree of personal austerity for their own financial or health safety is seen as
00:34:34.520
sinful. And so within their cultural framework, I'd be like, I understand that there's no way that you
00:34:39.120
can really understand what I'm saying to you. But from any sane cultural perspective, you are sometimes
00:34:44.600
asked to exercise some degree of discretion and austerity. And an episode that we're going to do
00:34:51.760
after this, we actually go into an organization that is campaigning to try to have it be that gay
00:34:59.420
individuals cannot be persecuted for lying to another gay individual about them not having HIV.
00:35:05.400
So I can understand why people are freaking out out there if that's what their culture is fighting for,
00:35:10.680
is that people can just go out there and do whatever they want, and there should never be any
00:35:14.140
consequences for any of their actions. But I'd say, do I feel bad that I'm saying that your culture
00:35:21.500
actually does need to learn to sometimes exercise austerity, and sometimes to change cultural norms
00:35:28.540
around risks? Yeah. I mean, I think actually, here's where I would probably come down. I'm like,
00:35:35.080
I'm actually trying to model a conversation with this young person who I quite like.
00:35:38.880
Because I don't have a problem with him sleeping around and having fun. Like, it's actually kind of
00:35:42.180
cute. Cause you know, we, we used to like, kind of talk about like people that he was dating and
00:35:46.600
stuff and like, whatever, you know, like I would feel the same. It was a young woman, you know,
00:35:50.300
this is fun stuff, you know, love, young love. Um, I would say, listen, okay. Like we can look for
00:35:57.900
some of these programs. The generic version can be as low as 65 a month. Let's find a program where
00:36:02.520
you can get it 65 a month. Okay. What do you have to do to get an incremental income of $65 a month?
00:36:08.260
Okay. You can probably, you know, create an account on task rabbit or, you know, create in a task or an
00:36:13.780
account on any like gig worker platform. And for like one weekend a month, spend five to six hours
00:36:21.620
doing some gig work to get the $65 to pay for the medication that will make sure that you can do this
00:36:27.720
all safely. I guess that's what I would say. Like what if it turns out it's not $65 a month and it's
00:36:33.280
actually $2,000 a month, like the first estimate said. Oh, then we're going to have to work out
00:36:39.480
how you can make, honestly, like I'm super okay with just being like, if you want to have that
00:36:43.380
lifestyle, like let's get that lifestyle. Or how do you cut $2,000 a month in expenses?
00:36:48.920
Yeah. And like, and life is about trade-offs. Like, you know, we, we didn't make the government
00:36:53.840
pay for our IVF. And actually more and more people keep reaching out to us being like, Hey,
00:36:57.540
how can I get my IVF paid for? Like, you're going to have to find a way to pay for it.
00:37:02.440
We gave up travel. We gave up fun. We gave up every luxury in life. We lived on a mattress in
00:37:07.600
the warehouse district outside Miami for a year in a studio apartment, in a studio apartment.
00:37:13.380
So just mattress on the ground. Like I think we shared one chair between the two of us. Maybe
00:37:17.680
there were two, there were two chairs. Well, because we don't sleep in the same bed. I had a tent in the
00:37:21.520
room and you had the mattress right next to me, which I absolutely love.
00:37:25.740
It was nice. But no, but we sacrificed. And I think the thing is in the end, it wasn't that bad
00:37:30.880
because when you know what you care about and what you don't care about, it's actually easy
00:37:35.040
to make those sacrifices. And a lot of people pay for things they don't really need. So then we
00:37:38.720
probably talk with this friend and be like, okay, well, like, what do you really care about? Like,
00:37:42.720
what can we cut out that is not as important as you having sex with like fun people?
00:37:47.620
And I actually want to point out a, how, how the perversion of a society that sees it as a moral
00:37:54.440
necessity to pay for a drug that enables sex whenever you want, but that doesn't see it as
00:37:59.460
a moral necessity to pay for IVF, the creation of new human life.
00:38:03.160
Oh shit. Yeah. I didn't even think about that. I think, you know, where we fall is people should
00:38:08.620
not be granted privilege status based on group membership to pursue their cultural values that
00:38:15.940
we believe in cultural sovereignty. And the way that we support that is by saying, you do you,
00:38:21.460
don't force you on us and don't make us pay for your lifestyle. And that's, that's fine. And I,
00:38:26.680
you know, I think that's a pretty fair stance. So yeah, but unfortunately it will be seen as
00:38:32.540
transphobic because I don't know, like, I don't know, like it's actually homophobic and transphobic
00:38:38.140
to try to try this issue to gays or trans people because yes, because straight people are at almost
00:38:45.680
as much risk if they are out having orgies. Well, a little less because transmission rates are less,
00:38:50.260
but they're still at risk too. This is, this is not an, a gay straight issue.
00:38:54.560
This is an orgy, not orgy issue. I mean, you know, it depends.
00:38:59.640
All right. I'll get the mic for Octavian and I'm going to go get the other kids.
00:39:05.900
Yeah. I got the toys right here at the box. Like Stacy doesn't need any more toys. Only just a teddy.
00:39:16.160
Yes. Because we don't like having a lot of clutter everywhere. Right, buddy?
00:39:21.280
Right. Right. Can you tell everyone to like and subscribe, please?
00:39:40.740
Okay. Life and describe, people. Life and describe.
00:39:55.460
You want to go out and get a blackberry with me?
00:40:01.660
Okay, you go get it by yourself. You love me so much.
00:40:05.680
What were you talking, what were you talking to mama about?
00:40:22.220
Octavian, sometimes, are you not able to do a fun thing that you want to do?
00:40:32.400
Should the government, Octavian, should the government pay for your toy trains?
00:40:36.940
If there's food, not on train, dad, I cannot eat it.
00:40:44.560
This is in relation to the sushi train we got there.
00:40:52.680
Octavian, should the government pay you trains?
00:41:00.300
So you like it, and therefore the government should give it to you?
00:41:04.100
We're going to have to watch out for you, buddy.
00:41:18.280
I'm going to lift Titan up so they can see her because they haven't really seen her talking.
00:41:21.100
And remember, Octavian, real communism has not been tried.
00:41:41.080
You know, they just, what they do now, and I call it Sharon Karen, as in like bad woman
00:41:52.740
And then they say, Sharon Karen, which is just so appropriate.
00:42:11.280
I love it when the news is like, you hit your child?
00:42:14.300
How could you, how could you ever, ever lightly hit your child?
00:42:20.000
And then you see our children, and you're like, oh.