Based Camp - OG Atheist Youtube Split： Why Did the Right Thrive While the Left Failed？

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to explore a question

00:00:04.900 that actually came up through a comment on one of my previous videos so on one of my previous videos

00:00:09.500 somebody was pointing out because i pointed out there was this evolution within online culture

00:00:15.060 of the online atheist skeptic community which then transformed into the online anti-feminist

00:00:23.500 community first it was dunking on christians and it was dunking on feminists then it was dunking

00:00:27.760 on woke people and then that transitioned into gamer gate and then that became the core of what

00:00:34.960 became the new right or at least like the online right culture and he pointed out he goes well hold

00:00:42.780 on there were also people in fact you could argue about half of the people involved with that

00:00:48.660 original atheist community that original you know online skeptic community that went in the opposite

00:00:55.200 direction they went into the atheism plus for anyone who remembers that that was like atheism

00:01:01.140 plus socialism or something and then they became democrats and they became left-leaning and and

00:01:09.660 this is true but one that doesn't discount the fact that the ones who went to the right ended

00:01:14.800 up forming the seed crystal that became online right-leaning culture but more importantly the

00:01:20.980 key to the mystery that we're on right now is every single one of them except for one notable

00:01:28.400 exception who went to the left from that original community ended up losing their audience losing

00:01:35.780 their relevance and losing their cultural hold whereas the ones who went right continue to be

00:01:43.720 mainstream figures in the online right and the question is is why and my by the way if you're

00:01:52.060 wondering who's the notable exception here everybody knows who it is it's shoe on head

00:01:56.200 yeah but but but shoe on head it's very interesting when she sort of gives away part of the story here

00:02:03.080 who is shoe on head's audience shoe on head's audience is a right-leaning audience yeah totally

00:02:13.460 you watch like for example we had leaflet on recently and we're talking about thing oh we're

00:02:18.480 like something like oh shoe on head like obviously i know that she watched you on head we watched

00:02:21.860 you on head you go to asthma gold obviously asthma gold watches shoe on head nux will talk about

00:02:26.620 shoe on head oh shoe on head talked about you know everybody on the right watches shoe on heads

00:02:31.180 so much so you go to a sky brow video and it's a bunch of conservative online commentators and

00:02:37.820 then in every single one it's shoe on head right um and so what she managed to do was to maintain

00:02:45.640 the audience that was transitioning into right-wing political beliefs while not fully adopting them

00:02:52.920 herself why why was why is she able to do that why do i watch you on head i think it's because

00:02:57.920 i i do not feel that any of her beliefs are performative yeah like when i when i watch her

00:03:05.420 she really believes what she believes about things well she comes across as based in the way that we

00:03:10.940 understand based rather than the way that people on the left define based which is like oh you're

00:03:15.880 a white nationalist whereas like i i see based as being unapologetically yourself she comes across

00:03:21.340 that plus she has that unique one one very dominant element of being progressive these days

00:03:27.420 is like non-playful pessimism and unless you like even when people are jocular it's in a very

00:03:35.880 nihilistic non-vivacious way it's like oh i'm depressed ha ha ha like that common comedic bit

00:03:42.500 you know of like it's very clear that this person is clinically depressed and mentally unwell

00:03:46.400 but they're laughing and joking that's not her way and it sort of it it only it almost

00:03:53.720 own universally shows up on the right that when when people are like vivacious and optimistic

00:03:59.200 and joking about stuff that that's kind of that's right-coded but she is that despite being not

00:04:06.840 a republican for example yeah yet we'll see i i i have a feeling because recently she came around

00:04:14.160 and it's like oh i'm a catholic now you know yeah as of the pandemic is she i think got again or

00:04:19.260 wasn't very loud about because i didn't know that until the recent video and simona and i both were

00:04:22.480 like did you know that she just i i i think she might be on a pathway too i'm i'm just saying

00:04:27.600 um you know the slowest pipeline you've ever seen the slowest crash but but you know she's a mom

00:04:36.760 now right so you know that that's after a lot of people change right yeah that's also you know

00:04:41.380 one point against to being impressive but the second thought i had is okay well maybe the answer

00:04:49.580 to this is very very easy because it's not just that this group became the seed crystal that the

00:04:56.760 online right grew out of okay culturally they were were very very heavily impactful for what

00:05:05.620 the online right is like today the online right today when you look at the social norms conventions

00:05:12.320 styles of videos everything like that it clearly comes from the early youtube atheist slash edgelord

00:05:23.080 videos right like this culture is represented in it none of that culture when these people went to

00:05:30.420 the left was adopted by the mainstream left and so i was like well maybe the answer is that the

00:05:36.040 left controls elite institutions right like universities and stuff like that and that is

00:05:40.420 where they look into news, companies, PR departments. I was like, that's where they

00:05:46.200 get their cultural talking points. It's all top down, whereas the right is bottom up. And that is

00:05:52.000 why the internet didn't end up influencing leftist culture. And then I started thinking a bit more

00:05:57.340 about it. And I was like, but that's not really true, is it? Because as an online culture watcher

00:06:03.860 of that period the the tumblr culture of that period is the modern left in fact i'd say that

00:06:11.500 the culture of tumblr from that period almost completely eradicated and replaced whatever was

00:06:19.100 there before it is heavily heavily heavily impactful to the point where you know we were

00:06:26.180 getting in fights on tumblr like i didn't have a tumblr account but like people were right

00:06:29.960 about like could you could you be like a gender identify as like a cloud or you know an attack

00:06:36.760 helicopter or a turtle or a universe and at the time today we're like oh that's like normal

00:06:42.480 weird lefty stuff but no at the time that was like a totally new cultural phenomenon right yeah

00:06:48.360 yeah and now that's gotten huge on the left right and so have a lot of other cultural phenomenon the

00:06:55.200 the you know sort of fan fiction culture of tumblr of that period many of the ways of talking

00:07:01.600 and joking like the the meme styles even cancel culture got its start was in tumblr and and i

00:07:09.420 thought it came out of gay culture which wasn't really heavy on tumblr was it well they they said

00:07:14.660 the word cancel came from the hashtag cancel colbert campaign which is no it existed before

00:07:21.100 that no it did not really you have gotten into this argument with me before on the show and we

00:07:26.140 looked it up so you were wrong yeah it came from hashtag cancel to give simone her due it was used

00:07:32.940 in the black community before this but it meant to like break up with somebody it did not mean

00:07:37.780 to attempt to de-platform somebody cancel colbert was the first use of it in that context that is

00:07:44.080 where it was popularized and it was popularized by somebody named i believe amy wong who wanted

00:07:50.120 to cancel stephen colbert who is the most woke obnoxious person ever for his ching chong character

00:07:55.640 where he went like ching chong oh my god i forgot yes yes my beloved character ching chong ding dong

00:08:04.760 i love tea it's so good for you

00:08:10.200 you're so pretty american girl you come here you kiss my team make all sweet i don't need no sugar

00:08:15.320 go on you around come on my rickshaw i give you a right to bangkok

00:08:20.080 and and that is wild that cancellation invented because somebody thought stephen colbert

00:08:28.960 was too far to the right stephen colbert okay let that sink in where where culture has drifted

00:08:38.800 over the years. But anyway, so, and I'll note here that the right of today had two seed crystals of

00:08:45.540 that period. It didn't all grow out of this online skeptic community of that period. There was a

00:08:50.480 separate, which was the 4chan culture. Yeah. The male id of the internet.

00:08:56.680 Sorry, not RP. B, polls, stuff like that. And Tumblr being where the more leftist culture

00:09:06.320 came from and i'll note it's not just us so like this is not just and we'll go over some of the

00:09:11.520 creators this happened to over this period as we try to solve this mystery it's it's not just that

00:09:18.420 there were people in these original communities that were influencers in those early communities

00:09:23.940 and then stayed all the way through as influencers till today a lot of the people who became or have

00:09:30.420 emerged as right-leaning influencers today who are like of our generation were in those original

00:09:36.860 communities just not as talkers or thought leaders like we didn't have channels or anything

00:09:41.900 leaflet's a good example of this when we were talking with her she was talking about how she

00:09:46.180 was an active uh member of the community that was the predecessor of 4chan raspberry something or

00:09:53.960 another i'm not that familiar with it so you know she's been in this since the very beginning right

00:09:58.900 it's just she didn't have the face until today you know you go to somebody like next taku who

00:10:05.420 is today you know everybody sees him as a fairly influential guy on the right and uh you go back

00:10:11.060 and you you don't see his old content because he wasn't playing culture wars back then he was an

00:10:14.360 anime nerd who like reviewed anime right and but but clearly you know he would have been adjacent

00:10:19.640 to these communities right so many people who were in these communities like many of the influential

00:10:25.740 people today on the right started in these communities. And I actually see this as what

00:10:32.300 we interact with, you know, like Trump administration type people and stuff like that

00:10:38.360 pretty frequently. And I talked to them about 4chan back in the day, right? Like these people

00:10:44.920 were in environments, right? Like we're like, oh yeah, I remember when like X happened or B

00:10:51.260 happen so i point out that it's not just the influencers it's also many of the operatives

00:10:57.860 okay so we're getting into a and and it's it's also the high level staff like jd vans

00:11:04.200 you you know you've seen the picture of him at school you know you know anything that guy was

00:11:09.080 a nerd one of us yes but not just that but he's like referencing asma gold and hassan in like

00:11:15.160 interviews right he's like the song dog shock stuff you know he's he's in the loop of the loop

00:11:21.380 that we're watching right you know but but the question is is there is actually one notable

00:11:27.180 exception as to somebody who is in these early communities and then became a dominant figure on

00:11:31.460 the left and they are something of an exception that proves the rule and this individual is

00:11:37.060 ContraPoints. ContraPoints had online sort of you know anti-theist I guess you could say channel

00:11:44.500 way back in the early days but she was not popular like the community was not affirming of her i guess

00:11:49.460 you could say this is back when she was a guy then she transitions and starts the you know

00:11:54.480 new type of left-leaning philosophical essay that she does and she popped off and the point that i'll

00:12:02.240 note here is she never adopted the cultural norms of this community if you look at her videos that

00:12:12.900 have done very well and as she began to gain steam they culturally didn't feel like the debates

00:12:21.020 feminist videos or the debates christian videos or the debates they were much closer culturally

00:12:27.620 to theater kid videos like theater kids playing around and so i think that she was able to create

00:12:36.600 this alternate you know bread tube sort of building up around that because of that and

00:12:41.540 And most of the bread tube type videos had aspects of that theater kid energy and much

00:12:48.520 less of the early, like, let's get out there, let's offend people, let's debate things energy

00:12:55.020 that continues on within modern right-wing culture.

00:12:58.700 Yeah.

00:12:58.820 And a lot of the leftist YouTubers that I follow definitely feel like theater kids,

00:13:03.440 sometimes even explicitly call themselves theater kids.

00:13:06.760 But the other interesting thing about bread tube for people not familiar with bread tube,

00:13:10.760 it was like online leftist youtube that was like a community where like they'd all reference each

00:13:15.280 other like we it's i guess sort of like the old leftist version of whatever the new right is today

00:13:20.520 right like like the the new right content creators in youtube are like definitely like a thing like

00:13:25.820 an algo loop right like they we all reference each other etc etc etc when one of us goes viral we're

00:13:31.920 on everyone else's stream you know but anyway you know but the bread tube did not actually leave

00:13:38.680 a cultural or intellectual impact on the left. And I think that this is something that's really-

00:13:45.560 You really don't think so? I feel like it played a key role in normalizing socialism as an ideal

00:13:52.420 among younger millennials and then younger people in general, like then to Gen Z and Gen Alpha.

00:13:58.300 so one i i push back pretty hard and say that socialism is not popular among gen z leftists

00:14:08.900 these days it's communism that's popular socialism would be seen as like you know capitalism adjacent

00:14:14.700 was in many of these communities and and like bourgeois value systems and stuff like that i

00:14:20.360 beg to differ because communism isn't possible without agi and they're all very anti-ai so

00:14:26.680 they don't admit they don't care what's actually possible and what's not is what they tell each

00:14:32.560 other that they're fighting for right like we are about to film an episode where we point out that

00:14:38.020 china spends literally a third in cost-adjusted value on social safety nets that the united

00:14:46.140 states does and yet hassan piker is out there sucking the d because he says well there's such

00:14:53.860 great communists out here functionally the united states is literally three x more communists yeah

00:14:59.020 wait until hassan goes to the united states yeah he's a real communist country no but the point

00:15:04.600 being is they don't actually care about what's functionally true you know that's that's something

00:15:09.020 that's important within the leftist discord is and i think that this is actually partially what

00:15:14.980 you've you've hit the nail on the head in a way why did bread tube not actually end up influencing

00:15:21.660 the intellectual side of the left the culture of the left or the norms on the left in the same

00:15:26.500 way tumblr did and it's because tumblr was about the vibes not about what was true it was about

00:15:34.220 how you asked that you're right yeah all of it was yeah it was all about the aesthetics and the

00:15:39.380 performance it was not about it was about the core like cottage core and whatever yes and so

00:15:46.460 it yeah so socialist core commu core commie core yeah it wasn't wasn't the real thing yes and that

00:15:54.460 that was so so but but if you look at what was happening on the youtube debating side of the

00:16:01.120 right the one of the reasons they ended up moving into the right from you know originally being

00:16:05.740 anti-theist and then anti-feminist and then woke and then gamergate and then you know mixed with

00:16:09.800 the red pill diaspora and became the modern new right is that they what's the word i'm looking

00:16:14.880 were here that they were predominantly interested in what was true i mean that was the point of all

00:16:18.980 their debates that was the point of who they mocked they like mocking people for believing

00:16:23.340 things that they saw as on their face stupid yeah i guess that they're they're in their pursuit when

00:16:29.300 you look past the specific themes of what they were discussing was i like to take this widely

00:16:35.080 believed thing that is disprovable and i'm going to tear it apart because i'm i am very smart and

00:16:42.720 that's what our channel is about like yeah that's like culturally it's the exact same thing it's

00:16:48.520 like let's take this widely believed oh my god so conservatism is the new atheism

00:16:54.320 because wokeism is the new dominant religion right oh my no that's okay i just i never thought

00:17:01.820 about it that way but you're so right oh my god but but it's because that community was

00:17:08.020 fundamentally a truth-seeking community. And BreadTube tried to create a sort of a respectable

00:17:16.280 veneer for the left of like, there are intellectual arguments that make us look not stupid. But the

00:17:22.660 reality is the demand for those intellectual arguments was not that big because the left

00:17:27.940 didn't actually care about them. It cared about the affirmation that hearing those arguments gave

00:17:33.320 them but it wasn't interested in actual intellectual arguments um which i think you

00:17:40.120 see from the types of streamers that have done well like hassan does very well who doesn't give

00:17:43.780 any intellectual arguments destiny has you know he's always stayed as sort of a lot less popular

00:17:50.160 than i would expect him to be given that he seems to like at least genuinely intellectually engage

00:17:54.440 with the topics that he's trying to go into so uh i think you captured one big part of it there

00:17:59.620 which is that the left is predominantly an aesthetic movement that has sort of like

00:18:06.400 religious-like beliefs about what's true and that is focused on interconnecting memes that

00:18:13.460 reinforce that. Well, but again, this is one of the core themes of our podcast, which is

00:18:19.280 a materialist's hatred of mysticism, a consequentialist's hatred of deontology.

00:18:26.300 So maybe we're also finding these core divides between vibes versus reality and, you know, actions versus outcomes.

00:18:36.360 Yeah, but I think it's why somebody like Nick Fuentes can appear so woke to us in a way, right?

00:18:42.980 Because it's very vibes over reality, right?

00:18:46.620 But he has adopted the second core point of early online culture, which is why he can aesthetically sometimes look right-leaning to people, which is if the online YouTube debaters were predominantly interested in taking something that's widely believed but not true and explaining why or challenging people who believe wrong things, the other beginning core to right-leaning culture was 4chan.

00:19:09.640 and the thing that 4chan valued most was doing something that it's like shocking and holistically

00:19:15.720 owning it like being you right in a in a shocking way and this is something that we have seen

00:19:20.440 permeate the culture of the MAGA and the White House currently right like with Trump being like

00:19:26.760 those crazy bastards in Iran better knock it off right or I'm gonna destroy their whole civilization

00:19:33.560 they've been around for a thousand years and their city's full you know you know he's always

00:19:39.340 going over i might go and bomb our carg island again just for fun this time um that is that is

00:19:46.660 a 4chan culture right like that didn't that didn't come from churches that didn't come

00:19:54.100 from right wing right wing radio shock jocks they didn't talk like that that didn't come from

00:20:00.600 that came from one place. Like you can't be like, maybe this evolved convergently from some other

00:20:07.620 right-leaning source. There was like a wider right-leaning. No, that's just 4chan culture

00:20:12.820 that has beamed itself into the wider right. And so it's made up of these two things right now.

00:20:19.640 And now I want to talk about some of the people, some of who made these various paths,

00:20:24.500 the sad life of some of the states of them who went to the left and we can see through how the

00:20:33.140 ones who tried to go left ended up just completely crashing out how bad it was to attempt to go left

00:20:40.420 and i think it comes down to this their audience so we have another video it hasn't come out yet

00:20:47.660 where we talk about like the future of the right but if you look superficially at the right right

00:20:53.640 right now, you would say that there's like two large factions. There's like the nerdy

00:20:59.640 consequentialist faction that's like pro-war in Iran, not anti-Israel, but like suspicious of

00:21:05.900 Israel. And this faction believes in genetic differences between ethnic groups, believes

00:21:11.280 that those are significant and should play a role in how you see reality, but they don't have like

00:21:17.120 a reflexive hatred of certain groups, like say Indians or something like that, or Jews. And then

00:21:21.800 there's the other group which is very deontological they do you know elevate sort of explicitly like

00:21:29.220 reactionary views to groups like indians and jews and that is very anti-israel and anti doing

00:21:37.400 anything even if it's in the united states best interest like the war in iran if it ends up also

00:21:42.420 helping israel and there's this perception i think that these two groups are are equal because they

00:21:48.360 are about equal in terms of the influencers on each side in terms of the base on each side and

00:21:54.180 yet you know you look at polls and they show that like 90 percent of MAGA supports the war right

00:21:59.120 they're not the base isn't actually divided on these issues it is an elitist influencer class

00:22:06.220 that is divided on these issues and I think what we actually saw was this earlier split that

00:22:12.660 happened in the movement that started as the online ACS and now has become predominantly

00:22:17.780 many of them religious, although not all of them, community, is that the base

00:22:23.280 was predominantly interested in what at the time led to the split, which was anti-wokeism.

00:22:32.440 The influencer class, you know, your-

00:22:34.700 Idubs.

00:22:35.620 Your Lacey Greens, right?

00:22:37.400 Like, they thought that the base was there with them, right?

00:22:43.040 or at the very least that if about 50 percent of the influencers wanted to continue to be

00:22:48.220 publicly respectable and cozy up with these progressive ideas that about 50 percent of the

00:22:53.740 base was also interested in that right um and they were fundamentally wrong the the the base

00:23:01.440 and i say this as somebody who grew up in these communities right like i all my friends were into

00:23:06.680 this stuff growing up we're like we were all watching these channels we were all none of my

00:23:10.860 friends went woke right like maybe like one or two did because they dated like a woke girl and

00:23:16.840 then they went off and who knows what sweet horror they're living in now but predominantly this this

00:23:22.780 community at the base level has stayed on this journey since the beginning and i think that that

00:23:31.220 is in part how they had the critical number to end up making the substrate that the new right

00:23:37.100 grew on within online culture but to get you by the way simone thoughts before i go further

00:23:44.680 no keep going although i i don't know do you have a take on i i kind of along the lines of

00:23:51.580 what you're saying of trump not acting like a a religiously driven man acting more like someone

00:23:58.580 coming out of that atheist community even though you know we had a whole episode on his

00:24:01.920 no he does have a real version of christianity that is very unique and if you're interested

00:24:07.540 it's unique but it's certainly not that old line republican christianity tucker carlson's later

00:24:12.220 latest accusations of him following his remarks given during easter were like how dare he say

00:24:17.420 these things about iran there are christians in iran who are worshiping on easter sunday and how

00:24:22.400 could he say these things on this holiday and how could he say these things against islam like never

00:24:26.780 attack someone's religion and also was like and he didn't even put his hand on the bible when he

00:24:32.000 was sworn in which means that it's not that he doesn't believe in the bible it's that he does

00:24:36.340 and he's going to go against it and he's making all these religiously based accusations which

00:24:41.400 i guess you could you could argue is is along the lines of this divide between the old line

00:24:47.840 mainstream christians and this new right movement this is this is so this deontological influencer

00:24:54.640 class is very, very interested in being ideologically pure. And so when they look at

00:25:01.700 somebody like Trump, where, you know, our religious beliefs are different from many right-wing people's

00:25:07.000 religious beliefs, and they're very different from Trump's religious beliefs, which are

00:25:09.860 Trump's, if you're not familiar with Trump's version of Christianity, it is about, from the

00:25:16.780 perspective of a mainline Protestant, about as crazy as techno-Puritanism. It's very different,

00:25:21.400 yeah yeah it is just as a quick summary it literally melds 1980s style self-help guru ideas

00:25:32.240 with christianity in a way that trump doesn't see as inauthentic because the primary pastor that he

00:25:40.540 had was a famous 1980s self-help guru and so he probably sees them as like synonymous you know

00:25:48.120 like you gotta push through and be your best self and pull yourself up by your bootstraps

00:25:52.780 at church during his entire childhood every every sermon and in the podcast where you go over all

00:25:59.860 this you you demonstrate how this really explains so much of trump's actions that if people only

00:26:04.340 understood his philosophical religious upbringing better they'd be able to predict his actions more

00:26:09.520 yeah you'd be able to like his actions are extremely predictable once you understand his

00:26:13.880 actual metaphysical and religious beliefs which i respect right like i'm okay with being in a

00:26:18.700 coalition with people have different religious beliefs and i love it when people in the comments

00:26:22.220 are like they try to trash our you know your silly form of calvinism that tries to meld it with

00:26:27.640 modern scientific beliefs and i'm like look you can hate on this all you want but that was the

00:26:33.720 religious beliefs of most of america's founding fathers yeah that was the predominant religious

00:26:39.700 vibe in the 13 colonies is forms of calvinism that tried to meld it with modern scientific

00:26:45.720 belief so obviously science had advanced significantly since then so our form of

00:26:49.480 melding the two looks different than their forms of melding the two but their forms of melding the

00:26:53.940 two were for their time experimental new religions and and so like to to to say like oh you can't be

00:27:02.540 this and an no it's like the core juice that america comes from you may find it squidgy but

00:27:09.520 it is a very american type of christianity and i think that when i see trump's religious beliefs

00:27:16.920 it's also actually has a lot in common with the types of christianity that were being practiced

00:27:22.320 in the 13 colonies that we're trying to meld it with new psychological ideas new trends of the

00:27:28.800 time and stuff like that to be a growing and living religion as opposed to a totally calcified

00:27:34.960 one and it's just different ways of approaching things right um but but i don't think people

00:27:41.060 realize like how fervently we believe our religious system now like when i came up i was just like

00:27:46.200 constructing it and now i'm just like wow this is a real this is very persuasive to me one of the

00:27:51.260 funny things that we always get is when people reach out to us and they're like oh well here's

00:27:56.340 Y, X, Y, and Z about your belief structure is wrong, right? And the Bible's actually saying

00:28:05.740 this. And I'm like, the problem is, is that if you could convince me that the Bible is saying

00:28:09.720 that, then I just wouldn't believe the Bible, right? Like, you're not convincing me that I'm

00:28:14.500 wrong about like the metaphysical truths of reality. You're trying to say that the Bible

00:28:20.200 says something that i would find to to be illogical and therefore this reminds me of a

00:28:27.140 a crash out one of our close family members had this easter where he went on a long rant about

00:28:36.100 this which i think you know shows oh my god yes yeah and it's an argument that i'd actually never

00:28:41.740 heard before so i'm gonna if we're talking about the early edgy online atheists i guess i should

00:28:46.100 share this argument that was actually fairly it's a great argument yeah it's like that's that's

00:28:51.320 actually fairly persuasive where he said that he was really insulted by people in in traditional

00:28:58.360 normie christianity acting like jesus made some great sacrifice because he's like jesus sacrificed

00:29:05.940 his life through torture to save the souls of all of humanity and every human that would ever come

00:29:14.400 into existence he said absolutely any remotely decent human being would make that trade he's

00:29:22.420 like there are humans every day that die to save complete strangers and just one yeah not even

00:29:33.140 their souls and die in horrifying ways to achieve this end and because i'm used to the atheist

00:29:39.960 argument which is like why did why did his sacrifice matter if he knew he was going to

00:29:43.880 immediately be brought back as an all-powerful god um then he didn't meaningfully die right but

00:29:49.560 i had never heard the second one which is to say even if you don't consider that by the way

00:29:52.780 techno puritanism fixes most of these which and this is one of the reasons why we we build our

00:29:57.860 own system because i i couldn't get myself to to to buy something like that that like a sacrifice

00:30:03.960 like that had value because i kind of think my brother's a point there right i i need a a wider

00:30:09.500 and alternate framing for me for this to be a thing of value to me right but it it is completely

00:30:16.180 it's just different right and it's different than the way trump looks at it or anything like that

00:30:19.460 but just for fun atheist argument that i'd never heard before and and if i'm coming at a family

00:30:25.980 member like that who is crashing about something like that i'm gonna have a much easier time

00:30:29.680 converting them into something like techno puritanism than i am going to one of these

00:30:33.140 older traditions right same as my kids you know they they'd leave the religion for the same reason

00:30:37.520 my dad left the religion, right? You know, so I've got to, because I would have left the religion

00:30:41.080 for those reasons. I think if you grow up a Christian and learn to accept the elements that

00:30:47.060 don't make sense to outsiders, you don't see how loud they look to an outsider. So when I talk

00:30:54.280 about something like when my dad left, it was when he was in Sunday school and he went to his teacher

00:30:59.340 and he tried to understand the logistics of how Noah's Ark could have worked, given the number

00:31:06.680 of species on earth and he was basically just told to shut up right like basically just punished for

00:31:13.120 asking questions and that's a big problem and this is the problem for me like there's other

00:31:17.800 like the the issues i've asked here aren't the only issues that i consider really existential

00:31:23.440 for me adopting the religion one of the biggest is why a local revelation like if god is all

00:31:29.640 powerful and needing to accept jesus is so important go to heaven why only have jesus's

00:31:36.720 revelation in one location in earth at a time before mass communication couldn't we at least

00:31:42.480 have one jesus per continent or have jesus teleport between the various continents to

00:31:47.860 give the revelation in multiple places because that left a huge chunk of earth's population

00:31:53.480 completely isolated from it for a long time it's funny mormons try to solve this by being like

00:31:59.540 oh he did actually teleport to the united states but the the point being is these may seem like

00:32:04.840 trivial things to christians but if you were not raised in the church they do not feel trivial at

00:32:12.160 all and so when you try to convince me oh your alternate interpretation of this stuff is wrong

00:32:17.580 that i'm left with those initial problems again and i don't have good answers for it and again

00:32:23.120 this isn't me like trashing on christianity or something like obviously i consider myself a

00:32:26.680 now i'm just pointing out that when you say all these fixes that you've come up with are not

00:32:34.440 correct then i'm left with the initial problems again if you're new to this channel have no idea

00:32:39.580 what i'm talking about you can check out our track series or the channel list malcolm and simone's

00:32:45.060 religious beliefs but the point being is it's like i was like okay i will i will slowly patch

00:32:52.840 this thing back together into something that i can find plausible and then i take it to someone

00:32:59.180 and i'm like here look i have found a way to make this believable to me and they're like well we

00:33:05.000 just need to remove all the patches and i'm like well then it just falls apart from my perspective

00:33:09.980 right like you cannot remove a patch without explaining an alternate explanation for the

00:33:15.380 thing that the patch was intended to fix when you remove the patches you don't lead to me

00:33:21.280 believing the original thing you lead to me believing the original thing was actually broken

00:33:27.500 which i think is something that people don't understand when they're discussing something

00:33:32.420 like christianity with somebody was an alternate understanding of it and this matters because not

00:33:37.320 everybody who has done this journey like say sargon of a cod who has not converted back into

00:33:41.640 christianity right and i i think the problem is that many people who grew up christians are

00:33:47.940 accepted in some other tradition don't understand how existential the problems are. Like, take

00:33:53.080 something like the problem of good and evil. When I posit that God exists in the future and the

00:33:58.920 reason why he cannot just erase evil is because it would have a temporal paradox, that solves it

00:34:07.180 for me. That's like a plausible explanation for me. When you say, well, God doesn't exist in the

00:34:11.580 future, then I'm left with the problem of good and evil again. It's not a small thing for me to

00:34:16.980 think that. It solves a very, very major problem for me. So I've got to create something that can

00:34:21.920 work for the, you know, former edgy online ACS community member. But I want to go into some of

00:34:28.900 the specific individuals here. So of the ones who went right, we have Thunderfoot or Phil Nathan,

00:34:35.820 early YouTube streamer. Why do people laugh at creationist series? He shifted prominently to

00:34:41.980 anti-feminism gamergate support and ongoing anti-woke fgw critique and he's still highly

00:34:46.920 active and relevant in anti-woke spaces you have obviously a youtube channel that i still

00:34:52.100 watch regularly sargon evocad carl benjamin started in the skeptic adjacent community

00:34:58.320 commentary he's still in asia as far as i'm aware exploded during gamergate as anti i love that

00:35:04.640 shoe on head converted to christianity before sargon and evocad i think she was raised catholic

00:35:09.180 and then she returned to Catholicism during the pandemic.

00:35:13.160 That's what she said.

00:35:14.560 As an anti-SJW voice, and obviously he's evolved.

00:35:18.640 You guys know, if you're watching this channel,

00:35:20.880 you know how important Sargon of Akkad has been

00:35:23.880 in building the culture of the modern online right.

00:35:26.840 You have the amazing atheist, T.J. Kirk,

00:35:29.220 major atheist provocateur who became a central anti-SJW figure,

00:35:32.580 expanded into political commentary.

00:35:34.480 And while he has critiqued extremes on all sides,

00:35:36.460 he has stayed very strongly anti-woke.

00:35:38.360 Then you have Armored Skeptic, A.C.S. Skeptic, who became a key anti-SJW voice in the Gamergate era.

00:35:44.220 And as to the people who tried to go in the other direction, the really bad one was Lacey Green.

00:35:51.920 I don't know if I've ever heard of Lacey Green.

00:35:56.260 Yeah, so she peaked at around 1.5 million subs.

00:35:59.160 Oh, that's okay. That's a lot of people.

00:36:00.840 yeah that's a lot of people and she has since because she tried to go into like against the

00:36:10.020 anti-sjw people but she would do it through like interviews with them which pissed off her left

00:36:16.800 wing like she she would kind of wobble as well as she got pushback and she she tried coming back

00:36:23.340 but she's basically off the internet now as far as i'm aware and then steve steve shives has been

00:36:29.300 a steady bleed to like niche irrelevance and then the really sad one that i like to still watch

00:36:34.760 videos about is idubbs who ended up having himself psychologically destroyed by this thought that

00:36:40.960 when i say i mean absolutely she streams on only fans while being married to him oh no well we've

00:36:46.700 talked about her before and she basically wanted to make him hassan because she had like a crush

00:36:51.000 on hassan and they they still do things with like hassan and stuff like that and it is very very sad

00:36:57.400 My original last name is Washburn. My new last name is Jama. That's my wife's last name.

00:37:03.080 I would recommend that he finds God.

00:37:05.960 Our silence means something.

00:37:10.340 2025 has to have been the worst year of iDubbbz's life by far.

00:37:16.740 Losing his fans that have stuck by him ever since his reputation started to slip.

00:37:21.960 Losing somebody that considered him a friend for over a decade.

00:37:25.400 and of course losing his boxing event creator clash they they get like a few hundred people

00:37:32.860 show up to their streams these days speaking of hasan and i really appreciate in the a recent

00:37:38.640 episode of ours we put out the question to our audience why do women watch hasan because i don't

00:37:44.560 get it um so she explained this is a base camp listener who who works with a lot of progressive

00:37:51.300 women who are also fans of hassan her understanding of it after watching them talk about him

00:37:57.760 is that despite the fact that the left is is on paper very sex positive they it's not really okay

00:38:05.800 to to be into submission or to be into being dominated and to also be on the left and hassan

00:38:13.460 like negs his i guess largely female audience quite a lot and i just thought it as him being

00:38:19.560 like abrasive and dismissive and mean to everyone but like yeah i guess he does kind of just you

00:38:24.540 know talk down to people and insult them insult his own viewers but a lot of this is like leftist

00:38:30.740 women who want to feel dominated and and by a man who also like another issue she pointed out is that

00:38:36.280 most leftist men are like very as she she put it soy so they want to feel dominated by a non

00:38:43.720 soy like man who also says all the right things and she pointed out like he says all the right

00:38:50.100 things about Palestine and about you know capitalism and so you know it's it's important

00:38:55.680 because you can't have like Andrew Tate say something because he says the wrong things so

00:39:00.220 you can't think he's hot you know and so he he he ticks all the boxes and that explains so much to

00:39:06.160 me and I'm so glad she explained that because it didn't make sense but now it all fits together

00:39:10.380 that that they want a hot non-soy guy to speak down to them put them in their place and he does

00:39:19.260 that and he also still says all the right things politically so the trifecta trifecta yeah i like

00:39:26.540 that yeah this is by the way the reason people who are like i want to deep dive into how all

00:39:32.220 these people's careers failed there are so many youtubers that you can go to for that

00:39:35.480 that will do it in such a more entertaining way than me and that's like not our channel specialty

00:39:39.960 i i'm more interested in like the broader trends and how culture changes basically i i like sort

00:39:47.320 of doing explorative anthropology in real time but i think that we've hit on it which is that

00:39:56.280 the base that was watching these people the basis core value never changed the the you had one base

00:40:03.760 in the early days that was interested in things that were shocking and extremely authentic and

00:40:09.200 then you had another part of the base that was interested in things that were intellectually

00:40:13.440 surprising but fundamentally searching for truth and the people who were fundamentally searching

00:40:21.480 for truth were of course going to be as anti-woke slash anti-urban monoculture slash anti-feminist

00:40:28.740 as they were anti-christian in the early days or or the version of christianity that that existed

00:40:35.100 back then right and back to christianity they did not go back their conversions into christians

00:40:43.020 do not sound like the types of conversions you'd expect somebody from other communities to have

00:40:49.040 it wasn't like i hit rock bottom and then or like one of my parents died and then or like my family

00:40:57.760 was really struggling and then it's usually often more well i thought about it logically

00:41:03.780 You know, which is a very, it fits in line with the community. When you look at the members of the original atheist community, usually the path goes is they first start saying, as I think all four of the enforcement of the atheist apocalypse have since said, is that it was a mistake to make places like the UK less Christian.

00:41:28.580 that christianity was a good institution and central to the values of our culture and that

00:41:37.640 retreating from christianity was a mistake and first you hit this position then you have kids

00:41:45.260 and it's like well if you believe that retreating from christianity was a mistake and now you're

00:41:49.320 raising a little one like what are you going to do right like of course you raise them christian

00:41:53.300 right like are you trying to build an iteration of christian like we have done and other of our

00:41:59.300 fans have done an iteration of christianity for them that they're not going to just be like we'll

00:42:05.300 explain this like i actually want to have explanations that ayah the toddler would have

00:42:10.160 found compelling during during that period instead of just like we don't you know you're being as as

00:42:16.980 as what happened to my dad and led him to leave the religion before i was born so i was never

00:42:20.960 raised in it i actually don't even understand why many christians do not understand how existential

00:42:27.860 these things seem if i'm adopting a religion i want to pass to my kids where when i was a rebellious

00:42:34.000 kid i would have immediately been like oh that just seems totally implausible to me right the

00:42:39.180 noah's ark story that caused my dad to deconvert is important to me because you need an explanation

00:42:45.620 You can't just say, well, some of this is just meant as an allegory, and some of this is objectively true, because then it's, well, how do I differentiate between the two things?

00:42:58.560 But as I mentioned earlier, the biggest question for me, the one that always got me the hardest, is why the local revelation?

00:43:06.620 if it's an all-powerful god and this is existential for saving your soul why the local revelation

00:43:14.240 that seems like such a trivial thing to potentially fix and i think this isn't just true for my

00:43:20.380 interpretation it's true for a lot of interpretations when somebody comes to you as an

00:43:23.540 iteration of christianity that seems radically wrong or different to you it may be because

00:43:30.680 like the parts where you're like oh i'm just removing all the parts that are different for

00:43:34.480 my interpretation or i'm challenging all the parts that are different from my interpretation

00:43:38.800 that you are removing all of the patches that made it plausible to them you are leaving them

00:43:44.960 with something that is just from their perspective fundamentally unacceptable again and i think this

00:43:50.540 mistake comes from the belief that some christians have that somebody doesn't adopt christianity

00:43:56.860 because they don't like the rules or they hate god or something like that and if you look at what

00:44:02.380 was being talked about in these early atheist communities that is not what was being talked

00:44:06.160 about it was the logical issues in accepting the religion as it is commonly presented and the

00:44:13.740 techno puritan project was my and simone's journey to attempt to fix those issues for us

00:44:20.140 the issues never stopped being issues it wasn't like one day we woke up and we're like oh all of

00:44:25.340 those issues never existed in the first place the issues are still there for us and when people are

00:44:30.740 like well just ignore the things that feel like logical contradictions to you or that feel like

00:44:36.140 they would imply that god is not a good god if you take the traditional interpretation what are you

00:44:42.980 like what are you even talking about like if i'm gonna actually believe christianity which i do now

00:44:48.320 or at least my interpretation of it that's me choosing like literally the most existential

00:44:55.440 thing I believe about reality. That's choosing how I think the metaphysics of the entire universe,

00:45:02.380 reality, morality, everything like that works. I can't choose to just pave over or ignore what to

00:45:11.400 me look like fundamental cracks for something so completely existential about my interpretation of

00:45:17.960 reality. And I think that this is true for a lot of people, right? And this is why that movement

00:45:22.480 happened to begin with just what people came to realize is oh civilization doesn't seem to work

00:45:28.400 without this and then the question is well how do you fix it while still accepting that the problems

00:45:33.560 that we saw were real problems and again as i've said even if i could ignore everything that looks

00:45:39.540 like a logical or moral problem to me in a traditional interpretation and just be like okay

00:45:44.540 i'm just gonna go with it i know that my kids wouldn't just go with it so it is put upon me if

00:45:50.840 I want, at least within my family, this tradition to survive, I need to reinterpret it. I'm not

00:45:57.260 doing that on some sort of power trip, or to be edgy, or something like that. There is utilitarian

00:46:04.240 reason why this project exists for us and our family. Also, for those who would say, like,

00:46:10.120 oh, Malcolm and Simone, you guys are starting a cult or whatever by having an alternate

00:46:14.840 interpretation you know i wrote a book like five years ago saying i was going to do this

00:46:20.600 i started doing the tracks a number of years ago in that entire time because people have been able

00:46:29.200 to observe my behavior since then have i ever done anything that would in insinuate that i am doing

00:46:36.760 this to attempt to extract resources from other people force someone to have sex with me you know

00:46:43.440 any of the other stuff that like cult leaders do right that i am doing this for literally any reason

00:46:48.600 than trying to pass down an iteration of christianity to my children that they will find

00:46:55.580 plausible and acceptable from their position i i don't think i have i did go to church every week

00:47:04.140 people wondering i just wasn't raised to be christian i went to church because my school

00:47:07.700 was religious now all of my schools were religious up until high school i went to church every week

00:47:12.800 so and i'm a big fan of like for people who think i'm a huge fan and simone knows this of me

00:47:18.740 of christian radio sorry texas speaking up am christian radio like not just christian radio

00:47:25.640 my favorite by the way is the calvary church calvary church radio i think is just fantastic

00:47:32.120 cavalry cavalry church they they do great stuff and i really i really like their version of

00:47:39.500 christianity i i think it's really solid i mean obviously it's it's not my version of christianity

00:47:44.140 today it's high it's high energy you like that well it's high energy and i think it is you know

00:47:50.580 really close to being biblically accurate like it really tries to take the bible seriously rather

00:47:56.480 than leaning into modern christian interpretations which i don't always see is you know sometimes

00:48:02.440 they take our conventions about what the bible says or what we would like the bible to say over

00:48:07.440 what the Bible actually says, and Calvary Church is very much, you know, Bible first, which I

00:48:14.660 deeply appreciate. What's interesting to me is this love of Calvary Church and these extremely

00:48:20.720 strict interpretations of the Bible. This came for me when I was still an atheist, like as an

00:48:26.400 intellectual interest perspective. So for me, this has never been about hating the Bible or not

00:48:32.500 liking to intellectually engage with it it was about a number of logical issues i could not get

00:48:38.920 through and if it's about my metaphysical understanding of a morality and reality

00:48:44.140 i can't just pave over them this is so interesting to me yeah you're really getting me to think of

00:48:49.880 things about things differently too i mean even in the way that intellectual youtubers on the right

00:48:56.360 and left appear on their channels like you have philosophy tube and contrapoints doing these

00:49:03.560 elaborate costumed lit performances of philosophy but their performances first and foremost

00:49:12.620 versus like people literally hiding behind you know an avatar not even showing up on screen at

00:49:19.320 all or just like rapid fire talking with very little production on the right um really just

00:49:25.500 letting the ideas come through it's really about the ideas and not the performance of them i'm

00:49:29.640 really seeing a new form of this divide that we're always returning to on this podcast so

00:49:34.120 well i think that there's a separate thing that you see was right-leaning influencers that you

00:49:37.760 don't see as left-leaning influencers is right-leaning influencers not all of them but it

00:49:42.760 is more common in right-leaning influencers content like to be seen as having the alternate

00:49:48.600 perspective being air explaining the counter argument and trying to counter that right

00:49:54.400 whereas this is not something you see on philosophy tube or contrapoints as much

00:49:58.520 and and like no no no they they they put the alternate view but they like frame it as like

00:50:04.040 well and what satan believes is like it's just always framed in such a bad light you're such a

00:50:11.000 yeah the the other thing of right-leaning influencer culture is that it is extremely

00:50:16.680 happy and high energy much much more frequently and that's why shoe on head is i think an exception

00:50:23.480 of someone who leans yeah very least libertarian at the very next door is a good example of this

00:50:30.020 for example but yeah but i mean that's i think it's normative on the right for people to be

00:50:34.040 high energy and enthusiastic and optimistic well i mean if you if you look at some of the original

00:50:38.120 players who got into this space before the 4chan and youtube cultures merged you have players like

00:50:44.940 sargon of a cod who doesn't fit this he is still you have to throw out anyone who's british it's

00:50:50.580 in their nature yeah i mean it's a genetic defect of the british people they didn't escape to the

00:50:56.400 colonies it's the ones who couldn't make it off failure to launch look at that baby

00:51:05.040 anyway yeah no i i and this this exists throughout but you don't see it as much in

00:51:18.920 left-leaning culture like hasan rarely smiles or is happy the really weird thing with left-leaning

00:51:24.060 culture like i was saying earlier because i i listen to plenty of people on the left who also

00:51:28.600 like are more on the comedian end of the spectrum too like podcasters but even they it's a very dark

00:51:35.380 humor and they they frame themselves even very openly is like being on meds seeing therapists

00:51:42.460 actively dealing with anxiety and depression problems like it's very clear that they are

00:51:46.260 deeply unhappy and unwell then i just don't see that the same way even when people actually are

00:51:53.140 unwell they're like unwell in that kind of like prolonged manic period way instead of the

00:51:59.200 prolonged depressive period way well i mean i think it's because you know if you're if you're

00:52:04.980 in this community is like the the new deontological community did not grow up alongside this community

00:52:11.640 they are very different than this community i mean i think that that's where we see these

00:52:16.620 culture clashes and stuff like that right like when matt walsh crashes out about anime matt

00:52:21.660 walsh was never in this wider community that became the scene bed of the online right right

00:52:26.440 like he cannot fathom how how anime could be so popular in communities right um and it's it's

00:52:35.740 actually the same as you even see it was like obviously one of the most famous people who's

00:52:39.380 who's countered this community is Nick Fuentes. Right. And while he's young, like, like this

00:52:44.200 community often is, he never really engaged in those parts of the community, right? Like he was

00:52:52.580 never an anti-feminist culture warrior. He was never an anti-woke culture warrior. It's clear

00:52:58.580 he never really consumed that content. If you listen to his story about how he became right

00:53:03.900 wing he started out as a generic gop inc old school conservative and then just became anti-jew

00:53:14.280 because he kept being attacked by ben shapiro right he he never no no this is actually really

00:53:20.680 important right yeah it is actually this content he was never part of this culture and so when he

00:53:27.000 speaks to people he's speaking to a completely separate cultural subset you see this with other

00:53:32.020 like we might be around the same age as ben shapiro but ben shapiro popped off no i think

00:53:36.080 he's a good seven years older than us at least but he's talking to a completely separate community

00:53:41.040 right like he never consumed this content he was never really part of the foots on the ground

00:53:48.540 culture wars because he was already part of gop inc at the very beginning right i i believe that

00:53:56.020 like he was the type of person who when trump started winning in the primary a lot of us were

00:54:01.440 still democrats but we were like isn't this funny right like let's try to make trump win that'd be

00:54:06.420 hilarious um right like and that's where he got his early boosts in the primaries that's where

00:54:11.680 we got his relevance was in fortune right like that's why i say magnet created fortune trump

00:54:16.560 wouldn't have had the votes for people to say let's take this guy seriously if not for the

00:54:21.980 fortune boosts yeah okay they tried to boost him in all the polls and all the blah blah blah blah

00:54:27.040 but this also explains why you know some in many ways in in sort of the the old school

00:54:34.900 and deontological christians and jews that that nick fuentes and ben shapiro can find themselves

00:54:41.640 on the same side against this well already like largely here i wouldn't say it's a growing

00:54:48.000 movement it's a movement that has been snowballing through so many different domains of the internet

00:54:53.660 and then land and flop right in the center of MAGA come out.

00:54:58.340 And it's culturally fascinating how this happened.

00:55:01.720 And a lot of people are obviously wailing and squealing

00:55:05.100 that they don't get it.

00:55:07.280 They don't understand why this movement thinks

00:55:09.540 the way they do, what their values are,

00:55:12.180 and how do they control the White House all of a sudden, right?

00:55:15.520 Like, how do they control so many online influencers

00:55:18.500 all of a sudden?

00:55:19.060 and why are furry vtubers okay as conservative icons why are anime girls why is rev says desu

00:55:28.840 a guy who uses an anime girl as a vtuber icon a leading conservative influencer what is going on

00:55:37.580 like so confused brain because they weren't here on the journey and maybe this can even just serve

00:55:42.180 if you weren't here on the journey it can serve as a video that can help you understand

00:55:45.400 why this group seems so culturally weird and where it came from and how it grew yeah

00:55:52.580 and it might be worth doing a whole other video on where leftist culture came from

00:55:57.800 like the story from tumblr to the left or if you want to start with quakers some people have asked

00:56:04.500 for us to start from the very yeah that'd be an interesting one yeah okay yeah love you to death

00:56:09.220 how quick you destroy society and i hope dinner okay we already talked about that so have a good

00:56:14.620 one bye what's wrong with me saying it's the tasseled look

00:56:19.980 tasseled t-a-u-s-s-l-e-d i think not t-a-s-s-e-l but sure it's the tasseled look

00:56:34.600 god bless people see my malicious compliance and traditionalism they're always confused why do i

00:56:41.220 think ambison well i've got to be the most trad man in the world and so all these other guys they

00:56:47.140 dress like they're out of the 1950s try try dressing like you're out of the 1300s i guess

00:56:52.460 you have what's that one the sad british men they have a some sort of greek statue presumably what

00:56:58.900 is that it said lotus eaters lotus eaters yeah yeah oh yes that's even older that's like that's

00:57:06.340 like they're trad maxing yeah or you know i think it could be i don't know yeah trad maxing right

00:57:12.440 there yeah gotta go exactly it could be like a greek statue just gotta come on every show shirtless

00:57:17.460 like flexing yeah recently you gotta take the sigil to your skin or what do they call it the

00:57:24.340 thoughts of joel the scrapey thing you got to rub the olive oil on and you got to use the yeah

00:57:28.600 come totally greased up that's how you know that this is the straightest stuff and exfoliated they

00:57:35.400 had the men had skin care routines back then i'll tell you what you know the baths they had the cold

00:57:41.160 plunge they had the hot saunas the god they were are that is is that what because you know there's

00:57:47.580 a sauna craze now again and in addition to the cold plunges they're just going full-on roman

00:57:52.180 no really no but yeah the reason i chose gambus and style is because i like the way that it i

00:57:58.000 think anything that like goes up behind your neck and sort of flares out like that is really good

00:58:02.360 for projecting sort of like a strength look cool look you know it's a no i mean certainly like if

00:58:09.420 you're trying to demonstrate masculinity higher necklines or high collars and and exaggerated

00:58:16.200 shoulders are like and that's why shoulder pads i mean i'm not i'm not exaggerating my shoulders

00:58:21.540 so this is talking about the the neck it's just true it's structured though and and like for

00:58:25.680 example even a muscular man when he chooses to wear a sweatshirt instead of structured shoulders

00:58:31.240 looks more slouchy looks less masculine looks more like a human potato for dinner tonight

00:58:38.500 what oh yeah we're doing bulldog again that was fantastic last night but mix in a bit of the

00:58:43.700 and we have the green onions for a topping as well yeah yeah well back with with mozzarella

00:58:50.640 and cheddar of course and then sesame seeds and green onion yeah the the bit of cheddar

00:58:56.140 really adds to it yeah

00:59:20.640 Thank you.

Based Camp - April 10, 2026

OG Atheist Youtube Split： Why Did the Right Thrive While the Left Failed？

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