Based Camp - Olympics + Steroids & Experimental Drugs (With the Enhanced Games Founder Dr Aron D'Souza)

00:00:00.000 Hello, everyone. We're so excited today to be joined by a very special guest, Dr. Aaron D'Souza.

00:00:05.160 He is president of the Enhanced Games, which if you haven't heard about, you're in for such a

00:00:09.420 treat because this is like the next step in sports. And I would say just human bodies in general. So

00:00:15.640 I want to start with two lines. I want to start with what are the Enhanced Games? And the other

00:00:20.980 thing that I heard from you is that originally you were thinking about doing this in like the

00:00:24.080 Middle East because that's where you could do like crazy stuff. And now it's like, no, the crazy fun 1.00

00:00:27.980 stuff happens in the US. So let's get into both of these. So to answer the question about the first

00:00:35.820 question about like, what are the Enhanced Games? The Enhanced Games are the Olympics, but we allow

00:00:40.860 all performance enhancing drugs. So we support individuals to make choices for themselves

00:00:49.180 based on scientific evidence to enhance their performance. And the stated mission of the

00:00:54.580 Enhanced Games is to create the next generation of superhumanity. We want to evolve our entire

00:01:01.740 species. And we believe elite sport is the right way to do that. And to answer your second question,

00:01:08.560 you know, where in the world, not this crazy stuff, but where does innovation happen?

00:01:12.140 Yeah. Innovation is hard. And we've seen that time and time again throughout the world and throughout

00:01:16.220 history. And, you know, it's like in Europe, there's no innovation, right? The best the European

00:01:21.880 Union can do is just like regulate things into the ground. We've seen this with artificial 0.87

00:01:26.000 intelligence. Yeah. You're in the UK right now, right? I'm in the UK right now, but I was just at

00:01:31.580 the embassy yesterday applying for a new visa and I'm moving to the US. Nice. Yeah. I think it'd be

00:01:37.720 scary to be there now if you're as based as you. Yeah. I think that, you know, if you look at the 1.00

00:01:43.720 total number of unicorn companies that have been created, there are more, I believe, unicorns created

00:01:50.000 in Israel than there are in all of the European Union. And so, yeah, so there's like no innovation 0.95

00:01:55.200 in Europe. It's this like anti-technology, anti-innovation attitude. It's just becoming a

00:02:01.880 museum very, very quickly. And then where else does innovation happen? Well, historically happened

00:02:06.600 in Asia and China. China and the number of startup formations effectively gone to zero now since the

00:02:13.480 imprisonment of Jack Ma. And so what does it leave it? Well, you know, the Middle East, particularly

00:02:19.080 Dubai is a great hub of innovation. All the smart people in Europe who don't want, who do not want

00:02:24.560 to become tax slaves to the NHS are, can't get into the US because of visa restrictions. Yeah. So

00:02:31.440 they go to the Middle East and Dubai in particular is a thriving innovation economy because it's really

00:02:37.560 recruiting talent. Of course, there are a lot of challenges too. And so I really believe that

00:02:41.600 innovation can only happen in two places in the world today. And that's in the United States and

00:02:44.900 that's in the Middle East. And by far, the US is the most innovative place. And with the new

00:02:50.020 administration, many of whom are old friends of mine, it's so wonderful to see truly innovative.

00:02:55.980 Oh yeah. It's been crazy for us. We've seen like our friends getting randomly appointed to

00:03:00.060 positions and I'm like, this is wild. Like, I don't, I don't, I don't think it's random, right?

00:03:04.900 Like the people who have been bold enough to be contrarians to fight back against a broken system

00:03:10.900 are now being pointed on, on the basis of merit. You know, they're not being appointed on the basis

00:03:16.980 of how the color of their skin or they fit some diversity criteria. They're being pointed on the

00:03:21.780 basis of merit. And it's really exciting. Well, they've also gone hard on the tech stuff. I don't

00:03:27.120 know if you saw like Project Stargate and the big fight about that. And I guess what I mean to say by

00:03:31.680 that is I've actually been surprised by how much they've been sort of putting new right people into

00:03:36.120 positions and not just, you know, like Steve Bannon's crew, because it's, it's led to a lot

00:03:41.120 of people who I saw is like important in our community, but otherwise relative. Nobody's

00:03:44.880 getting positions of power. Yeah. And it's, I think that's absolutely correct to have people

00:03:49.560 who are serious operators who have built businesses who aren't careers politicians is very good. And I

00:03:57.480 admire the Trump administration for taking a business first approach to government and being,

00:04:03.560 you know, a utility, you know, the president is a utilitarian pragmatist. Like he wants to see

00:04:08.360 America succeed, right? Economic growth is his core metric. And, you know, what I see here in the

00:04:15.540 United Kingdom is that time and time again, when the British government has been forced to make tough

00:04:21.240 decisions, whether that's around income inequality, building houses, expanding Heathrow airport, they have

00:04:28.440 always chosen against growth, right? They didn't want to build a second runway or third runway at Heathrow,

00:04:35.320 even though that is a major economic engine, because it would cause too much noise. And they took, and they

00:04:39.480 didn't choose growth. And in America, in most situations, the government, whether you're on the

00:04:44.840 right or the left, chooses growth. And the enhanced games, definitionally, is a, is growth for, for, for the world,

00:04:54.600 for our population and for an individual economy that chooses to host us. I mean, I think with the

00:04:59.160 enhanced games, one thing that I find really interesting, I say more than growth, it's good

00:05:03.080 spectacle and spectacle in a way that it stabs at the deep state of the world, because the deep state

00:05:08.440 isn't just in government. I mean, what is the deep state but FIFA? FIFA is more of a deep state than

00:05:13.240 anything in the US government. The Olympic Committee is more of a deep state than anything in the US

00:05:17.640 government. Everybody knows the Olympic Committee is corrupt to its core. It bankrupt cities every time

00:05:24.520 it sets up. And it's not even that entertaining anymore. Like nobody watches it anymore. And so you are

00:05:30.240 coming in at this time, I think when you first had this idea, how many years ago was that?

00:05:34.260 About a year and a half.

00:05:35.660 What?

00:05:36.620 About a year and a half.

00:05:37.800 Oh, a year and a half. Okay, so it was still like falling apart at that point. But I mean, I can actually see a

00:05:43.380 future, a near future, where countries start saying, we're just not going to host the

00:05:47.360 Olympics anymore. And what a better way to stick it to the Olympics to host enhanced games. And here

00:05:52.920 I know it was enhanced games. And people are like, well, what about people injuring themselves with

00:05:56.860 these sorts of drugs and stuff like that? I'm like, do you think these little gymnast girls aren't like 1.00

00:06:00.720 destroying themselves for life? Like, there are so many instances in the Olympics as it exists right

00:06:07.060 now, where people are absolutely destroying their bodies, shaving years off their life. And we don't

00:06:12.660 care about it in that instance, but we care about it in this instance. In this instance, at least

00:06:17.160 you're getting some sort of net benefit from it. By that, what I mean is this forces us to use the

00:06:22.500 people who have already chosen to sacrifice their lives for fame and athletic glory, to use them as

00:06:29.320 testing grounds for chemicals, procedures, to make people better that can then be used in other

00:06:36.840 environments. So something that we can find allows people to absorb more like oxygen in an Olympic game

00:06:42.980 environment is something that we're going to be able to use in a hospital environment.

00:06:47.240 Yeah, I call it technology diffusion. So Formula One is an excellent example of this. In F1, you have

00:06:52.820 athletes, you know, driving amazing cars, which don't bear any resemblance to, you know, a road car.

00:06:59.540 However, the technology developed for Formula One has diffused out to the wider world and has

00:07:04.900 the most obvious example. And so, you know, technology developed on the track translates out

00:07:11.720 to the road. In the same way, the technologies that will make athletes run faster and jump higher

00:07:17.180 at the enhanced games will make, you know, my dad and mom, you know, who are in their late 70s,

00:07:23.580 walk up a flight of stairs. And that's really, I think, the ultimate gift that we can give to this

00:07:27.480 world. And on the note of the Olympics, it's, you know, like, I know your audience is very much on the

00:07:32.900 right. In many ways, there's an intrinsic skepticism about these internationalist institutions like

00:07:41.840 the WHO, the United Nations, the World Economic Forum. But the most durable of the unelected,

00:07:48.500 unaccountable internationalist institutions are the Olympic Committee, FIFA, and the other sports

00:07:54.300 federations. Literal corruption machines that have gone on bankrupting, as you said, city after city,

00:08:00.040 decade after decade, with no accountability. And suddenly, you know, I always say the Olympics

00:08:04.920 are the ultimate avenue of human competition. That's why we watch them, the fastest people in

00:08:09.340 the world. And competition is very healthy. But the Olympic Committee has never had competition until

00:08:15.280 the enhanced games came along. And we're very proud to have really shaken out the entire sporting world

00:08:21.540 with this bold and provocative idea.

00:08:23.980 Where are you guys in terms of fundraising or making this a reality?

00:08:26.640 Yeah, yeah. And, and, and we live in this world of bold.

00:08:30.680 Where are you in terms of fundraising or making this a reality? Like, where is the

00:08:34.240 how real?

00:08:35.360 Well, I'm pleased to say that we have raised funding from some of the most prominent investors in the

00:08:39.020 world, including Peter Thiel. And now short segment here, we've decided to cut out because

00:08:44.900 it would be better for you to hear it from the news. So you will likely be hearing about these

00:08:49.800 guys in the near future.

00:08:51.340 That is so exciting. Oh, yeah.

00:08:53.620 Okay, so what are the logistics of actually making this happen? Like, are you, are you going to try to

00:09:00.880 get host cities or just rent large venues and make it happen?

00:09:05.580 So the Olympics are a taxpayer funded boondoggle.

00:09:10.520 Right.

00:09:11.120 And it's very simple. You know, the Olympics builds a dozen stadiums, and they throw them away after two

00:09:16.000 weeks, because they have all these crazy sports that no one watches. No one's interested in curling

00:09:20.700 or shot put and, or badminton. And so we've reduced the number of sports to focus on the ones that

00:09:27.060 really matter. Track, domain, weightlifting, or their objective world records. We could host this on any

00:09:33.100 division one college campus without building any specialist infrastructure. It will cost us tens of

00:09:38.720 millions of dollars to do, to do instead of tens of billions. And that infrastructure light model means

00:09:44.340 that we will be a very profitable operation, and in particular, pay our athletes. And this is

00:09:49.240 something that I'm extremely proud of. The Olympics, for the first time ever, and at least in track

00:09:55.020 and field, paid $50,000 for a gold medal at Paris. This is the first time they've ever done it. And it

00:10:00.760 was only because of the economic pressure that we placed upon them. And Lord Sebastian Coe, who doesn't

00:10:07.480 like me at all, is running for Olympic committee president. And he has finally admitted that it's time to pay

00:10:13.360 the athletes. So if you remember, from 1896- Wait, the Olympics didn't pay them at all?

00:10:18.260 No. So your average Olympian only earns $30,000 a year.

00:10:23.460 That's dumb. 0.65

00:10:24.040 Well, the Olympic committee brings in $4.5 billion in revenue per games. You know, the average Olympic 0.98

00:10:31.380 games cost something like $40 billion to put on, and they don't find a way to pay its athletes. And I

00:10:36.360 really believe that excellence deserves to be rewarded. And the reason why the Olympics don't

00:10:41.740 pay is because from 1896 until 1992, only amateur athletes were allowed to compete at the Olympics.

00:10:48.700 Being a professional was simple. It was ungentlemanly.

00:10:52.900 It was low class. Yeah.

00:10:54.080 Yeah. And it was a way for European aristocrats to keep working class people out of gentlemanly 1.00

00:11:02.460 sports. And that aristocratic ethos still pollutes the Olympic committee to this day.

00:11:08.900 Yeah. Well, okay. So here's a question I have for you, because I was just thinking about how

00:11:13.220 difficult this particular point is going to be for you. How do you deal with gender? Because 1.00

00:11:20.860 pretty much every woman, like, even if you go with, okay, we go with women assigned at birth

00:11:24.940 to win, they're going to have to be on all sorts of steroids and they're not going to look like

00:11:28.340 women anymore. How do you, how do you handle that? 1.00

00:11:31.800 So we are a scientific based competition. All the decisions that we make are based on science.

00:11:38.140 And so we don't classify our athletes based on male or female or man or woman. We classify them

00:11:44.360 based on chromosomes. You're either XX or XY. And 99.9% of people are what I'd call chromosomally

00:11:52.680 normal. They either fall into the classic binary that I just outlined. One in about a thousand people

00:11:58.760 are chromosomally abnormal, of which there are 43 known chromosomal abnormalities, about 40 of which

00:12:07.620 are attributable either to XX or XY. So only a very, very small percentage of people are truly

00:12:15.180 intersex. And, and the evidence is, as far as I can tell, there has never been an elite athlete who

00:12:22.900 has reached like Olympic level competition with those three chromosomal abnormalities,

00:12:28.880 because most people with those abnormalities don't live to adulthood.

00:12:31.840 Hmm. Okay. So yeah, but the, the second part of my question still stands the way that you're

00:12:38.520 structuring this means that people with XX chromosomes, if they are going to compete will

00:12:42.960 likely be on so much testosterone, they won't look like people with XX chromosomes, which might

00:12:47.820 to some people make it, uh, seem freakish or unappealing to watch the women's games. 0.72

00:12:55.400 Sure. Uh, and individuals with free and informed consent should be able to do to their

00:13:01.820 bodies, what they wish. Right. And I think this is the most fundamental of human rights,

00:13:07.360 my body, my choice, your body, your choice. And for some people being an Arnold Schwarzenegger

00:13:13.980 ask bodybuilder might be visually unappealing, but for others, it's a high aesthetic aspirational

00:13:20.020 value. Lots of people with a fetish. Yeah. You got it. Oh, please. Well, Malcolm also that if that

00:13:25.900 point stands, if there were people who were given high levels of testosterone as natal females

00:13:31.340 without giving consent as kids, cause you know, people under a certain age probably can't be seen 1.00

00:13:36.380 as giving consent, then they probably wouldn't qualify for the games. Oh yeah. And absolutely.

00:13:40.540 And you know, I'll always emphasize like I'm a gay man myself and you know, I've watched the debate

00:13:46.920 about trans people evolve over the last 20 years. It was completely uncontroversial when it was

00:13:53.600 talking about adults transitioning. When it became about children transitioning, this became a whole

00:13:59.780 political mail store. Exactly. And what I would emphasize that individuals with free and informed

00:14:06.020 consent can do to their bodies what they wish. Children aren't able to give consent.

00:14:10.440 Okay. So you would, you would bar anyone who transitioned as a child from competing?

00:14:15.440 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Anyone who transitioned as a child is still, 0.97

00:14:19.440 all their chromosomes are the same. No, no, no, no. So, okay. I'll, I'll word this differently.

00:14:24.300 If China, for example, cause you know, China and Russia, they build like factories for people 0.88

00:14:28.320 winning, right? Where they take kids at like nine years old or something like that. Right. And then

00:14:32.400 they train them. Well, somebody who transitions female to male while they are still a child is going 0.94

00:14:39.220 to be able to beat somebody who transitioned female to male as an adult, because they're going to have a

00:14:44.260 different bone structure. No, no, no. So let me rephrase that to make it very clear. The categories

00:14:50.180 of competition at the enhanced games are not male and female. It's XX and XY. And so even if you 0.93

00:14:56.120 transition gender as a child, it doesn't change your chromosomal structure. Right. But that's not

00:15:01.140 the point I'm making at all. The point I'm making is an XX person who transitioned before puberty is 0.93

00:15:07.800 going to beat every time an XX person who transitioned after puberty, meaning that countries 0.99

00:15:13.900 like China and Russia are going to feel pressure to transition children who may not be transgender at

00:15:19.420 all. If they show themselves having some advantage in a particular sport. No, I don't, I don't think

00:15:25.060 that's right because the transitioning of gender has no application. If you're born XX, you will always 1.00

00:15:31.140 compete in the XX category. If you're born XY, you will always compete in the XY category. You may be 0.94

00:15:35.940 asking the question. The point I'm making is that if you are a kid and you are on the other gender's 0.94

00:15:40.640 hormones, you will develop to be more like that other gender than anyone who transitioned as an 1.00

00:15:45.540 adult ever would. Yeah. Yeah. So let's rephrase it. So would we allow countries to compete that have

00:15:52.740 programs that are enhancing children? Yes. Yes. That's the question. Right. That's the operative

00:15:59.540 question. So as, and, but this is actually a really complex question because think, think about

00:16:06.120 things like CRISPR gene editing technology. Yeah. Fair. Yeah. Right. And, and what is becoming very

00:16:13.780 popular, um, among wealthier American households is giving their sons human growth hormones that are

00:16:21.820 called. Hey, what age do they do that by the way? As they're teenagers. Teenagers is when you do the,

00:16:28.700 the growth hormones, I thought you needed to do it earlier. What year? Yeah. Even younger sometimes.

00:16:32.580 Right. So growth hormones to, to allow, I'm not saying that we've been planning on doing that. I'm

00:16:37.520 just saying I never could find the right year range. Can you maybe hypothetically, what would that

00:16:41.720 year range be? Well, as, as, as a, as a kid, you know, I'm only five foot 10, like as a kid, I knew I

00:16:47.940 wasn't going to be like super tall. And I actually went to my parents when I was like 14 years old and I was

00:16:53.580 like, mom, I want to take HGH. Like, and you know, here's what I researched on the internet.

00:16:58.460 Oh my gosh. You rock. Did you? My parents were like, what are you talking about? I love that. Yes.

00:17:07.280 Did they, did they let you Malcolm, by the way, they didn't let you, they didn't let me,

00:17:13.280 they didn't let me now, now they're like, well, you know, we should listen there or whatever, but

00:17:16.800 yeah. So should, should we allow, so think about the philosophical question. You guys have a beautiful

00:17:23.760 child right there. If you, if they had, if you've got CRISPR gene editing technology to enhance them

00:17:31.220 before they're born, so they could never consent to it. But also it's completely irreversible.

00:17:38.340 Like CRISPR is a one way street. Right. And so in December, we gathered a group of scientists

00:17:45.660 at Oxford university and nearly 50 of the best scientists in the world. And we adopted the

00:17:51.100 first declaration on human enhancement where there's the first declaration and it deals with

00:17:58.020 things like bodily sovereignty, right. The medical care, the right, right. To respect the law of

00:18:05.220 nations. It's the third article of the declaration. So if a country allows CRISPR gene editing therapy,

00:18:12.040 then it will be allowed in the enhanced games, but that's within the regulatory framework of an

00:18:17.100 individual country. Okay. The host country or the country that people are coming from?

00:18:21.640 Ah, that's a, that's a great question. So the country that people are representing and coming

00:18:26.640 from law is obviously highly important. And also if you're taking any short-term therapies,

00:18:32.060 it would be in the country of competition. Right. So respecting individual national sovereignty is very,

00:18:37.760 very, very, very important. That being said, my hope is that the enhanced games will be a platform

00:18:43.520 for showing off the best of human excellence. And some countries, which are very innovative,

00:18:47.820 like the United States, or maybe like the United Emirates, will showcase the best of human performance.

00:18:53.940 And we will see athletes from less innovative or anti-technology countries, like the United Kingdom,

00:19:00.640 of hitting its sports. And I think this will push ourselves to think greater about our place in the world.

00:19:05.760 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Now I want you to talk more about the argument that people are

00:19:10.760 going to have of what if this pushes governments or individuals to like, and especially in the

00:19:16.480 context of what I was saying before, like, it seems like governments are already ruining children's

00:19:19.960 lives for the Olympics. Like, can you, can you talk about, cause I'm sure you've made this argument

00:19:24.820 before, like what do governments currently do to kids so that they compete in the Olympics? What are

00:19:29.240 the current effects of the Olympics and how might that differentiate from this system?

00:19:33.120 Well, number one, we're going to pay all athletes who compete at the enhanced games.

00:19:37.120 So it's a much more financially sustainable system and much more equitable in that respect. So you

00:19:42.620 have to think of it more like baseball or football or like the Premier League soccer here in Britain

00:19:48.580 is a really good example of where there is a wider ranging support network. It's much more

00:19:55.920 more financially sustainable because ultimately, you know, you, you have to be either genetically

00:20:01.920 very blessed and, or ideally, and financially, you know, secure to be able to compete at the Olympic

00:20:09.420 Games. Why is Home Depot and McDonald's large sponsors of the Olympics? It's because of the,

00:20:15.920 you know, they're, they're large employers. And one thing that I would point to is like,

00:20:19.920 there's always this criticism of health at the enhanced and say, oh, you know, the enhanced games

00:20:23.920 is pushing to be unhealthy. It's like the two longest serving Olympic sponsors of Team USA are Coca-Cola

00:20:30.480 and McDonald's. Two organizations that have done more damage to public health than any other entities

00:20:36.480 in the entire world. And they've built their brand.

00:20:38.920 Yeah. Well, I actually think that the key to this working, because you're going to need to get these

00:20:46.680 big sponsors in some way is to make the big sponsors. And I feel like I haven't felt like this was

00:20:51.480 possible until like these last few months to feel like there is reputational damage to sponsoring the

00:20:56.760 traditional Olympics. I think. Yeah. And I think even your audience is more on the right, I would emphasize

00:21:05.800 the fact that I don't think that's really entered the, the psychological consciousness of the

00:21:10.600 Republican party yet. The next Olympic games are in the summer of 2028 in Los Angeles.

00:21:17.720 Oof. You're two very smart people.

00:21:19.800 The city just burned down.

00:21:21.320 What's the other big thing that, hmm?

00:21:22.600 The city just burned down.

00:21:24.280 The city just burned down. But what else is going to be happening in the summer of 2028?

00:21:30.440 Oh, I'm like ramping up for a huge election cycle.

00:21:34.680 Exactly.

00:21:36.200 That's going to be interesting.

00:21:38.040 In Democrat controlled Los Angeles with Gavin Newsom at the head and Lori Lightfoot and others,

00:21:46.440 this could look like Gavin Newsom's coronation.

00:21:48.440 Yeah.

00:21:49.080 Right when, right when J.D. Vance or the next Republican nominee will be gearing up to race

00:21:54.600 for the presidency in two weeks of global media coverage focused on Gavin Newsom rebuilding,

00:22:00.760 you know, L.A. after the fires and everything. It could look like it's coronation. And politically,

00:22:05.480 I think it's not a very good calculation for the Republican party to support the L.A. 28 Olympics.

00:22:11.720 No, I mean, I think that it's going to be very easy to attack because the Olympics have just

00:22:15.080 gotten worse and worse every year in terms of the damage they've done to the town.

00:22:18.120 Well, it's almost like kicking Los Angeles while it's down, which is.

00:22:21.880 Yeah. With Los Angeles already being in the state it's in, this is going to look really,

00:22:26.360 really bad. Have they already built most of the infrastructure or are they building it now?

00:22:29.640 Well, they're building infrastructure.

00:22:31.640 You know, there's still billions of dollars in costs. And, you know,

00:22:35.080 Lucy Wasserman, who I would know is a major Democratic Party fundraiser, was just doing the 1.00

00:22:41.560 lobbying rounds trying to wrestle up support for the L.A. 28 Olympics because they have a massive

00:22:47.080 budget black hole and they're hoping that the U.S. federal government will patch that.

00:22:51.560 You know, the International Olympic Committee has $4.5 billion in assets on its balance sheet.

00:22:58.040 It should be paying for the great party, not the taxpayers of Los Angeles and certainly not

00:23:01.800 the federal taxpayers. Yeah. Well, yeah. And I don't think, I mean,

00:23:05.720 does the federal government often pay for part of the Olympics?

00:23:08.760 Well, you know, what often ends up happening is the biggest bill of the Olympics starts with

00:23:12.840 infrastructure, which is paid for usually by the host city. But then the number two thing

00:23:18.760 is security, right? The Olympics are the biggest security operation that will exist in peacetime.

00:23:24.680 And it is pretty expected that the federal government will foot the security bill.

00:23:30.600 And I don't think that's a very appropriate thing to do in this era of cost cutting.

00:23:34.440 And particularly when the International Olympic Committee has such deep coffers of their own.

00:23:39.640 Yeah. But Democrats would love that because if you get a terrorist attack and Trump withdrew

00:23:44.120 security, then that's going to make Trump's team look bad.

00:23:46.920 Well, no, but you know, it's, it's, it said the International Olympic Committee,

00:23:50.760 which is $4.5 billion in cash and cash assets should pay for it themselves.

00:23:56.520 Yeah. Right. Reimbursed the federal government.

00:23:58.920 And I can see Trump holding strong on that point because it just seems so ridiculous.

00:24:03.000 Well, and I can also see him having the Olympic Committee pay because he hates a bad deal.

00:24:07.160 He hates it when the US puts the bill when someone else clearly can.

00:24:11.080 So that makes sense. Yeah.

00:24:12.360 And the Olympic committee president, Thomas Bach, I was only met with president Trump once.

00:24:17.640 And he was extremely rude about the president for many years and has made many, many public

00:24:22.760 statements disparaging the president. And I think the president, as we all know,

00:24:27.320 is personal to him. And it was a very bad form for the Olympic committee president to be

00:24:33.320 disparaging the president of the United States. Now I'm expecting the US federal government to put the bill

00:24:38.920 for this massive festivity, which will inevitably benefit the Democratic Party.

00:24:45.400 Absolutely. Well, okay. So in contrast to the next 2028 Olympics, what do you think could be the

00:24:52.040 first year, feasibly, not guaranteed, the enhanced games could go off?

00:24:58.120 2025. So in 2025, we are hosting our first exhibition events and swimming in small events to demonstrate

00:25:05.560 the model of what we aim to deliver, the potential of athletes, you know, at all ages.

00:25:13.000 Amazing.

00:25:14.040 In their 20s and their 30s, maybe even in their 40s, achieving world-class and even world-record

00:25:19.800 times. So that's really very, very exciting.

00:25:23.080 That is amazing. Okay. I want to get into the science because you're probably seeing as you're

00:25:28.200 ramping up for this, some inklings of what people are doing to enhance themselves for these exhibition

00:25:34.440 games. What are people doing? Are you seeing anything innovative? Are you seeing a trend like

00:25:39.640 everyone's going for this one thing? What, how are people enhancing themselves?

00:25:43.960 Well, it's actually very simple. It's actually quite the opposite. It's not very innovative stuff.

00:25:49.160 It's compounds that have been around for north of a hundred years for scientists have won the Nobel

00:25:54.680 prize for synthetic growth hormones like testosterone, EPO, and androgen anabolic steroids, right?

00:26:03.240 Three compounds that we know that work. We understand the drug-on-drug interactions. We

00:26:08.280 understand what good quality manufacturing looks like. And there's ample scientific evidence.

00:26:13.960 Six percent of men in the United States and the United Kingdom have used illegal

00:26:19.080 anabolic steroids at some point in their life. In the UK, recently, anabolic steroids were

00:26:25.560 descheduled. So they're legal for personal use now. And in the United States, I imagine we have a

00:26:31.800 very enhanced health secretary now, subject to his confirmation, who is, who is very open-minded about

00:26:37.960 the role of enhancements in society. And he's, he's talked very openly about his use of testosterone

00:26:42.440 replacement therapy, which would ban him from Olympic competition. So we have a strong ally of our cause in,

00:26:49.560 in, in Washington and with Secretary Kennedy at AJ. And I believe this is the time where we're going to be

00:26:54.440 really rethinking so much of the place of human enhancement drugs in our society. And why this

00:27:00.520 is so important, I think a lot of people don't realize this. The same drugs that make athletes

00:27:06.360 run faster and jump higher are the same drugs that will allow us, the wider population, to live longer,

00:27:13.480 healthier and more productive lives. And the reason why Europe is failing is the same reason why Japan 0.89

00:27:21.320 has more or less failed is because of an aging population. You have much more retirees, pensioners

00:27:28.680 taxing the healthcare system than workers who are paying taxes. And government doesn't know how to solve 0.98

00:27:37.000 this problem. This demographic collapse can only be addressed right now through immigration, which we 0.98

00:27:43.080 all know has lots of social and cultural issues, but it's, there's actually a technological solution,

00:27:49.160 which is human enhancement. And that's where we see the biggest opportunity. We don't see this as just

00:27:54.520 building a sporting event. We're going to normalize enhancements, develop and market pharmaceutical

00:28:00.520 compounds. And there are strong public policy implications for, for this.

00:28:08.280 So my, my discord keeps trying to get me to take steroids. They're like, look, your show would do

00:28:12.360 so much better if you looked more like, you know, Chris Williamson or Joe Rogan, like, why, why don't you

00:28:17.320 just do steroids? Do you think I should like, are they safe? So should you take them? I would say, talk to

00:28:25.080 your doctor, do a full blood panel, make sure that you're healthy, make sure you don't have any

00:28:29.560 carcinogenic risks. Are they safe? Well, I can't screen share with you right now, but I would point

00:28:35.560 to a study done by Professor David Knott of Imperial College London and published in the Lancet in 2012.

00:28:41.160 Lancet is one of the most highly regarded scientific journals in the world. And he did an all-cause risk

00:28:47.880 analysis of recreational and performance drugs, both to the individual and to society at large.

00:28:54.280 The most dangerous drug on the chart was cocaine. Number two was alcohol. And at the very bottom

00:29:01.960 end of the chart, safer than tobacco, cannabis, alcohol, and many other things that we commonly

00:29:09.560 accept in our society was self-administered anabolic steroids, not clinically administered anabolic steroids.

00:29:16.440 Oh, why is clinically administered more dangerous?

00:29:19.800 No, clinically administered some safer. Oh, okay.

00:29:23.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would never recommend anyone self-administered. That's the craziest thing. Like,

00:29:27.880 I meet bodybuilders all the time and say, yeah, I'm just ordering my drugs online and injecting myself.

00:29:32.760 I'm like, what are you doing? You know, you can like go to a doctor and be fully advised end to end about

00:29:38.040 the process. And so- Oh, so you don't mean, okay. So, so clinically it means it was prescribed,

00:29:44.600 but the people may still be injecting themselves at home.

00:29:47.000 Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Physically injecting themselves, but clinically supervised. Yeah.

00:29:50.040 Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. So the, the, the major risk of, of, of any performance

00:29:57.800 enhancement regime presently is self-administration and it's people ordering their drugs online and

00:30:03.560 injecting themselves. And I wouldn't recommend that to anyone, but clinical supervision is a,

00:30:07.880 is a great safeguard and the scientific evidence is there, uh, in the most prestigious medical journal

00:30:14.440 in Europe. Well, that is so interesting. So Simone, are you convinced? Should I do it?

00:30:20.200 No, I don't want roid rage. I don't, I don't worry about, I don't know. I, yeah, I don't know.

00:30:27.880 You know, you, you had to cut through the media, uh, exterior and look at the scientific evidence.

00:30:35.560 So I would point to creatine, which was a banned drug in many sports leagues in the 1990s when it

00:30:43.080 first came out. If you read the media coverage about creating it, it's a super steroid. It causes

00:30:49.080 roid rage. It causes liver cancer. And now you can buy creatine at like, I don't know, Joe and the

00:30:55.160 juice. Um, 25% of the goods on the shelf at your local GNC will get you banned from Olympic competition.

00:31:07.240 So we're talking about illegal compounds. I think this also shows the crossover between learning

00:31:12.600 more about these chemicals and it being useful for health stuff. Yeah, exactly. And you know,

00:31:18.600 individuals to be able to make a choice for themselves about which compounds they use

00:31:23.000 when and under what circumstances. And this comes to the legal definition of medicine.

00:31:28.920 Two very smart people here. We interact, we all interact with the medical system every day.

00:31:33.800 You know what the legal definition of medicine in the United States is?

00:31:37.640 I don't actually.

00:31:39.320 Yeah. Right. So it's, it's, it's a really fascinating one. Medicine in the, before the 20th century,

00:31:46.680 anyone could call themselves a doctor. And in the early 20th century, Andrew Carnegie, the philanthropist,

00:31:52.760 commissioned a sociologist from Johns Hopkins university named Albert Flexner to go and study

00:31:59.720 medical education in America. And the Flexner report proposed the creation of medical schools

00:32:07.560 and state medical boards to regulate the profession. But as part of that process, they had to decide what

00:32:12.440 medicine is. And so medicine was decided more than a hundred years ago to be for the treatment and

00:32:19.720 the amelioration of illness, right? To make sick people less sick.

00:32:25.080 That seems reasonable, but it is only one very narrow part. And it also seems to define the biggest

00:32:32.360 problem with modern medical practice, which is that everything is reactive and preventative

00:32:37.720 medicine and making optimal humans is not even part of the picture. So that's interesting.

00:32:42.040 So, so legally a doctor cannot prescribe you a treatment or a compound unless it is prescribed

00:32:50.040 against a disease state. Oh my gosh. And so this, this is something that I know Secretary Kennedy is

00:32:57.080 inclined to address because aging is not classified as a disease. Aging is seen as a natural human process

00:33:05.240 disease. And disease is something that is very much socially constructed. Osteoporosis, the stiffening

00:33:12.680 of your joints as you get older, was viewed as a natural human process until 1996.

00:33:18.600 Ah. Right. And so one of the greatest contributions that Secretary Kennedy and the Trump administration

00:33:25.800 can make is the classification of aging as a disease, which then we can treat, cure and eventually solve.

00:33:32.520 And, you know, this is the greatest technological advancement that we could have as human beings.

00:33:39.400 So if you guys are close to the administration, this is something you should, or you can probably

00:33:42.360 campaign for it with your connections. I mean, I'm sure that some of them probably have pathways to that.

00:33:47.240 We have a huge interest.

00:33:48.520 We have many private discussions going on at the moment.

00:33:50.600 Yeah. Oh, that's wonderful news. That's cool. God, this is just so great. This administration has been so

00:33:54.200 much fun so far. Anyway, I have been so excited to have you on. How can people contribute to what you're

00:33:59.960 doing or if they're interested in this, follow you? We would love people to share our content

00:34:05.480 on social media, follow us at Enhanced Games on X and on Instagram. And, you know, if anyone is

00:34:11.960 interested in getting involved in any way, shape or form, please just email me. My email address is

00:34:16.360 Aaron, A-R-O-N, at Enhanced.com. I answer every single email that comes into my inbox. I give it 0.99

00:34:22.040 out on every podcast I go on. And I love hearing from our fans. And, you know, the world works in amazing

00:34:27.560 and wonderful ways. So, you know, we're really very, very excited to see the trajectory where

00:34:32.600 we're going. You know, we believe that the future is very bright and the golden age of America is here.

00:34:38.360 And, you know, as the president said in this inaugural address, and, you know, we believe

00:34:43.160 that there's a very strong alignment now with what we are doing in the world in which is being built.

00:34:48.440 Wonderful. Well, we're excited to have chatted with you and I hope you have a spectacular day.

00:34:55.000 Great. Thanks so much for coming on. Thank you so much.

00:34:58.120 A water monster truck? Yeah, and it floats on water. 0.81

00:35:03.640 It floats on water? Yeah. Look.

00:35:07.960 Oh. Can I eat pizza for something I really want?

00:35:15.080 Well, we're making pizza tonight. Aren't you so excited?

00:35:17.000 I'll make pizza. Yeah, we're going to make a giant pizza tonight.

00:35:20.760 All right. I'm going to get you some apple, all right?

00:35:32.040 Now there's poop on your glasses.

00:35:34.520 You and your jokes, mister. You think that's funny, Toasty?

00:35:39.480 Yeah.

00:35:40.280 Come on.

00:35:51.720 What were you trying?

00:35:51.960 We were.

00:35:54.520 Can we happening?

00:36:00.840 Yeah.

Based Camp - January 27, 2025

Olympics + Steroids & Experimental Drugs (With the Enhanced Games Founder Dr Aron D'Souza)

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