Olympics + Steroids & Experimental Drugs (With the Enhanced Games Founder Dr Aron D'Souza)
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Dr. Aaron D'Souza is the President of the Enhanced Games, a sports performance enhancing technology company that allows athletes to make choices for themselves based on scientific evidence to enhance their performance. In this episode, Dr. D'souza talks about how he got into sports performance enhancement and why he thinks the US is the most innovative place in the world.
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Hello, everyone. We're so excited today to be joined by a very special guest, Dr. Aaron D'Souza.
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He is president of the Enhanced Games, which if you haven't heard about, you're in for such a
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treat because this is like the next step in sports. And I would say just human bodies in general. So
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I want to start with two lines. I want to start with what are the Enhanced Games? And the other
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thing that I heard from you is that originally you were thinking about doing this in like the
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Middle East because that's where you could do like crazy stuff. And now it's like, no, the crazy fun
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stuff happens in the US. So let's get into both of these. So to answer the question about the first
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question about like, what are the Enhanced Games? The Enhanced Games are the Olympics, but we allow
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all performance enhancing drugs. So we support individuals to make choices for themselves
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based on scientific evidence to enhance their performance. And the stated mission of the
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Enhanced Games is to create the next generation of superhumanity. We want to evolve our entire
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species. And we believe elite sport is the right way to do that. And to answer your second question,
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you know, where in the world, not this crazy stuff, but where does innovation happen?
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Yeah. Innovation is hard. And we've seen that time and time again throughout the world and throughout
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history. And, you know, it's like in Europe, there's no innovation, right? The best the European
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Union can do is just like regulate things into the ground. We've seen this with artificial
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intelligence. Yeah. You're in the UK right now, right? I'm in the UK right now, but I was just at
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the embassy yesterday applying for a new visa and I'm moving to the US. Nice. Yeah. I think it'd be
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scary to be there now if you're as based as you. Yeah. I think that, you know, if you look at the
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total number of unicorn companies that have been created, there are more, I believe, unicorns created
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in Israel than there are in all of the European Union. And so, yeah, so there's like no innovation
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in Europe. It's this like anti-technology, anti-innovation attitude. It's just becoming a
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museum very, very quickly. And then where else does innovation happen? Well, historically happened
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in Asia and China. China and the number of startup formations effectively gone to zero now since the
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imprisonment of Jack Ma. And so what does it leave it? Well, you know, the Middle East, particularly
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Dubai is a great hub of innovation. All the smart people in Europe who don't want, who do not want
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to become tax slaves to the NHS are, can't get into the US because of visa restrictions. Yeah. So
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they go to the Middle East and Dubai in particular is a thriving innovation economy because it's really
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recruiting talent. Of course, there are a lot of challenges too. And so I really believe that
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innovation can only happen in two places in the world today. And that's in the United States and
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that's in the Middle East. And by far, the US is the most innovative place. And with the new
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administration, many of whom are old friends of mine, it's so wonderful to see truly innovative.
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Oh yeah. It's been crazy for us. We've seen like our friends getting randomly appointed to
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positions and I'm like, this is wild. Like, I don't, I don't, I don't think it's random, right?
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Like the people who have been bold enough to be contrarians to fight back against a broken system
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are now being pointed on, on the basis of merit. You know, they're not being appointed on the basis
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of how the color of their skin or they fit some diversity criteria. They're being pointed on the
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basis of merit. And it's really exciting. Well, they've also gone hard on the tech stuff. I don't
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know if you saw like Project Stargate and the big fight about that. And I guess what I mean to say by
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that is I've actually been surprised by how much they've been sort of putting new right people into
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positions and not just, you know, like Steve Bannon's crew, because it's, it's led to a lot
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of people who I saw is like important in our community, but otherwise relative. Nobody's
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getting positions of power. Yeah. And it's, I think that's absolutely correct to have people
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who are serious operators who have built businesses who aren't careers politicians is very good. And I
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admire the Trump administration for taking a business first approach to government and being,
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you know, a utility, you know, the president is a utilitarian pragmatist. Like he wants to see
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America succeed, right? Economic growth is his core metric. And, you know, what I see here in the
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United Kingdom is that time and time again, when the British government has been forced to make tough
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decisions, whether that's around income inequality, building houses, expanding Heathrow airport, they have
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always chosen against growth, right? They didn't want to build a second runway or third runway at Heathrow,
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even though that is a major economic engine, because it would cause too much noise. And they took, and they
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didn't choose growth. And in America, in most situations, the government, whether you're on the
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right or the left, chooses growth. And the enhanced games, definitionally, is a, is growth for, for, for the world,
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for our population and for an individual economy that chooses to host us. I mean, I think with the
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enhanced games, one thing that I find really interesting, I say more than growth, it's good
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spectacle and spectacle in a way that it stabs at the deep state of the world, because the deep state
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isn't just in government. I mean, what is the deep state but FIFA? FIFA is more of a deep state than
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anything in the US government. The Olympic Committee is more of a deep state than anything in the US
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government. Everybody knows the Olympic Committee is corrupt to its core. It bankrupt cities every time
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it sets up. And it's not even that entertaining anymore. Like nobody watches it anymore. And so you are
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coming in at this time, I think when you first had this idea, how many years ago was that?
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Oh, a year and a half. Okay, so it was still like falling apart at that point. But I mean, I can actually see a
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future, a near future, where countries start saying, we're just not going to host the
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Olympics anymore. And what a better way to stick it to the Olympics to host enhanced games. And here
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I know it was enhanced games. And people are like, well, what about people injuring themselves with
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these sorts of drugs and stuff like that? I'm like, do you think these little gymnast girls aren't like
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destroying themselves for life? Like, there are so many instances in the Olympics as it exists right
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now, where people are absolutely destroying their bodies, shaving years off their life. And we don't
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care about it in that instance, but we care about it in this instance. In this instance, at least
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you're getting some sort of net benefit from it. By that, what I mean is this forces us to use the
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people who have already chosen to sacrifice their lives for fame and athletic glory, to use them as
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testing grounds for chemicals, procedures, to make people better that can then be used in other
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environments. So something that we can find allows people to absorb more like oxygen in an Olympic game
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environment is something that we're going to be able to use in a hospital environment.
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Yeah, I call it technology diffusion. So Formula One is an excellent example of this. In F1, you have
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athletes, you know, driving amazing cars, which don't bear any resemblance to, you know, a road car.
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However, the technology developed for Formula One has diffused out to the wider world and has
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the most obvious example. And so, you know, technology developed on the track translates out
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to the road. In the same way, the technologies that will make athletes run faster and jump higher
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at the enhanced games will make, you know, my dad and mom, you know, who are in their late 70s,
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walk up a flight of stairs. And that's really, I think, the ultimate gift that we can give to this
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world. And on the note of the Olympics, it's, you know, like, I know your audience is very much on the
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right. In many ways, there's an intrinsic skepticism about these internationalist institutions like
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the WHO, the United Nations, the World Economic Forum. But the most durable of the unelected,
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unaccountable internationalist institutions are the Olympic Committee, FIFA, and the other sports
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federations. Literal corruption machines that have gone on bankrupting, as you said, city after city,
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decade after decade, with no accountability. And suddenly, you know, I always say the Olympics
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are the ultimate avenue of human competition. That's why we watch them, the fastest people in
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the world. And competition is very healthy. But the Olympic Committee has never had competition until
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the enhanced games came along. And we're very proud to have really shaken out the entire sporting world
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Where are you guys in terms of fundraising or making this a reality?
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Yeah, yeah. And, and, and we live in this world of bold.
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Where are you in terms of fundraising or making this a reality? Like, where is the
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Well, I'm pleased to say that we have raised funding from some of the most prominent investors in the
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world, including Peter Thiel. And now short segment here, we've decided to cut out because
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it would be better for you to hear it from the news. So you will likely be hearing about these
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Okay, so what are the logistics of actually making this happen? Like, are you, are you going to try to
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get host cities or just rent large venues and make it happen?
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So the Olympics are a taxpayer funded boondoggle.
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And it's very simple. You know, the Olympics builds a dozen stadiums, and they throw them away after two
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weeks, because they have all these crazy sports that no one watches. No one's interested in curling
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or shot put and, or badminton. And so we've reduced the number of sports to focus on the ones that
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really matter. Track, domain, weightlifting, or their objective world records. We could host this on any
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division one college campus without building any specialist infrastructure. It will cost us tens of
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millions of dollars to do, to do instead of tens of billions. And that infrastructure light model means
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that we will be a very profitable operation, and in particular, pay our athletes. And this is
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something that I'm extremely proud of. The Olympics, for the first time ever, and at least in track
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and field, paid $50,000 for a gold medal at Paris. This is the first time they've ever done it. And it
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was only because of the economic pressure that we placed upon them. And Lord Sebastian Coe, who doesn't
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like me at all, is running for Olympic committee president. And he has finally admitted that it's time to pay
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the athletes. So if you remember, from 1896- Wait, the Olympics didn't pay them at all?
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No. So your average Olympian only earns $30,000 a year.
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Well, the Olympic committee brings in $4.5 billion in revenue per games. You know, the average Olympic
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games cost something like $40 billion to put on, and they don't find a way to pay its athletes. And I
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really believe that excellence deserves to be rewarded. And the reason why the Olympics don't
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pay is because from 1896 until 1992, only amateur athletes were allowed to compete at the Olympics.
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Being a professional was simple. It was ungentlemanly.
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Yeah. And it was a way for European aristocrats to keep working class people out of gentlemanly
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sports. And that aristocratic ethos still pollutes the Olympic committee to this day.
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Yeah. Well, okay. So here's a question I have for you, because I was just thinking about how
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difficult this particular point is going to be for you. How do you deal with gender? Because
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pretty much every woman, like, even if you go with, okay, we go with women assigned at birth
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to win, they're going to have to be on all sorts of steroids and they're not going to look like
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women anymore. How do you, how do you handle that?
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So we are a scientific based competition. All the decisions that we make are based on science.
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And so we don't classify our athletes based on male or female or man or woman. We classify them
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based on chromosomes. You're either XX or XY. And 99.9% of people are what I'd call chromosomally
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normal. They either fall into the classic binary that I just outlined. One in about a thousand people
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are chromosomally abnormal, of which there are 43 known chromosomal abnormalities, about 40 of which
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are attributable either to XX or XY. So only a very, very small percentage of people are truly
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intersex. And, and the evidence is, as far as I can tell, there has never been an elite athlete who
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has reached like Olympic level competition with those three chromosomal abnormalities,
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because most people with those abnormalities don't live to adulthood.
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Hmm. Okay. So yeah, but the, the second part of my question still stands the way that you're
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structuring this means that people with XX chromosomes, if they are going to compete will
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likely be on so much testosterone, they won't look like people with XX chromosomes, which might
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to some people make it, uh, seem freakish or unappealing to watch the women's games.
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Sure. Uh, and individuals with free and informed consent should be able to do to their
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bodies, what they wish. Right. And I think this is the most fundamental of human rights,
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my body, my choice, your body, your choice. And for some people being an Arnold Schwarzenegger
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ask bodybuilder might be visually unappealing, but for others, it's a high aesthetic aspirational
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value. Lots of people with a fetish. Yeah. You got it. Oh, please. Well, Malcolm also that if that
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point stands, if there were people who were given high levels of testosterone as natal females
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without giving consent as kids, cause you know, people under a certain age probably can't be seen
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as giving consent, then they probably wouldn't qualify for the games. Oh yeah. And absolutely.
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And you know, I'll always emphasize like I'm a gay man myself and you know, I've watched the debate
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about trans people evolve over the last 20 years. It was completely uncontroversial when it was
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talking about adults transitioning. When it became about children transitioning, this became a whole
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political mail store. Exactly. And what I would emphasize that individuals with free and informed
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consent can do to their bodies what they wish. Children aren't able to give consent.
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Okay. So you would, you would bar anyone who transitioned as a child from competing?
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Anyone who transitioned as a child is still,
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all their chromosomes are the same. No, no, no, no. So, okay. I'll, I'll word this differently.
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If China, for example, cause you know, China and Russia, they build like factories for people
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winning, right? Where they take kids at like nine years old or something like that. Right. And then
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they train them. Well, somebody who transitions female to male while they are still a child is going
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to be able to beat somebody who transitioned female to male as an adult, because they're going to have a
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different bone structure. No, no, no. So let me rephrase that to make it very clear. The categories
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of competition at the enhanced games are not male and female. It's XX and XY. And so even if you
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transition gender as a child, it doesn't change your chromosomal structure. Right. But that's not
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the point I'm making at all. The point I'm making is an XX person who transitioned before puberty is
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going to beat every time an XX person who transitioned after puberty, meaning that countries
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like China and Russia are going to feel pressure to transition children who may not be transgender at
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all. If they show themselves having some advantage in a particular sport. No, I don't, I don't think
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that's right because the transitioning of gender has no application. If you're born XX, you will always
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compete in the XX category. If you're born XY, you will always compete in the XY category. You may be
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asking the question. The point I'm making is that if you are a kid and you are on the other gender's
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hormones, you will develop to be more like that other gender than anyone who transitioned as an
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adult ever would. Yeah. Yeah. So let's rephrase it. So would we allow countries to compete that have
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programs that are enhancing children? Yes. Yes. That's the question. Right. That's the operative
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question. So as, and, but this is actually a really complex question because think, think about
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things like CRISPR gene editing technology. Yeah. Fair. Yeah. Right. And, and what is becoming very
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popular, um, among wealthier American households is giving their sons human growth hormones that are
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called. Hey, what age do they do that by the way? As they're teenagers. Teenagers is when you do the,
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the growth hormones, I thought you needed to do it earlier. What year? Yeah. Even younger sometimes.
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Right. So growth hormones to, to allow, I'm not saying that we've been planning on doing that. I'm
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just saying I never could find the right year range. Can you maybe hypothetically, what would that
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year range be? Well, as, as, as a, as a kid, you know, I'm only five foot 10, like as a kid, I knew I
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wasn't going to be like super tall. And I actually went to my parents when I was like 14 years old and I was
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like, mom, I want to take HGH. Like, and you know, here's what I researched on the internet.
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Oh my gosh. You rock. Did you? My parents were like, what are you talking about? I love that. Yes.
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Did they, did they let you Malcolm, by the way, they didn't let you, they didn't let me,
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they didn't let me now, now they're like, well, you know, we should listen there or whatever, but
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yeah. So should, should we allow, so think about the philosophical question. You guys have a beautiful
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child right there. If you, if they had, if you've got CRISPR gene editing technology to enhance them
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before they're born, so they could never consent to it. But also it's completely irreversible.
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Like CRISPR is a one way street. Right. And so in December, we gathered a group of scientists
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at Oxford university and nearly 50 of the best scientists in the world. And we adopted the
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first declaration on human enhancement where there's the first declaration and it deals with
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things like bodily sovereignty, right. The medical care, the right, right. To respect the law of
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nations. It's the third article of the declaration. So if a country allows CRISPR gene editing therapy,
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then it will be allowed in the enhanced games, but that's within the regulatory framework of an
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individual country. Okay. The host country or the country that people are coming from?
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Ah, that's a, that's a great question. So the country that people are representing and coming
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from law is obviously highly important. And also if you're taking any short-term therapies,
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it would be in the country of competition. Right. So respecting individual national sovereignty is very,
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very, very, very important. That being said, my hope is that the enhanced games will be a platform
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for showing off the best of human excellence. And some countries, which are very innovative,
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like the United States, or maybe like the United Emirates, will showcase the best of human performance.
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And we will see athletes from less innovative or anti-technology countries, like the United Kingdom,
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of hitting its sports. And I think this will push ourselves to think greater about our place in the world.
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Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Now I want you to talk more about the argument that people are
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going to have of what if this pushes governments or individuals to like, and especially in the
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context of what I was saying before, like, it seems like governments are already ruining children's
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lives for the Olympics. Like, can you, can you talk about, cause I'm sure you've made this argument
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before, like what do governments currently do to kids so that they compete in the Olympics? What are
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the current effects of the Olympics and how might that differentiate from this system?
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Well, number one, we're going to pay all athletes who compete at the enhanced games.
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So it's a much more financially sustainable system and much more equitable in that respect. So you
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have to think of it more like baseball or football or like the Premier League soccer here in Britain
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is a really good example of where there is a wider ranging support network. It's much more
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more financially sustainable because ultimately, you know, you, you have to be either genetically
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very blessed and, or ideally, and financially, you know, secure to be able to compete at the Olympic
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Games. Why is Home Depot and McDonald's large sponsors of the Olympics? It's because of the,
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you know, they're, they're large employers. And one thing that I would point to is like,
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there's always this criticism of health at the enhanced and say, oh, you know, the enhanced games
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is pushing to be unhealthy. It's like the two longest serving Olympic sponsors of Team USA are Coca-Cola
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and McDonald's. Two organizations that have done more damage to public health than any other entities
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in the entire world. And they've built their brand.
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Yeah. Well, I actually think that the key to this working, because you're going to need to get these
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big sponsors in some way is to make the big sponsors. And I feel like I haven't felt like this was
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possible until like these last few months to feel like there is reputational damage to sponsoring the
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traditional Olympics. I think. Yeah. And I think even your audience is more on the right, I would emphasize
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the fact that I don't think that's really entered the, the psychological consciousness of the
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Republican party yet. The next Olympic games are in the summer of 2028 in Los Angeles.
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The city just burned down. But what else is going to be happening in the summer of 2028?
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Oh, I'm like ramping up for a huge election cycle.
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In Democrat controlled Los Angeles with Gavin Newsom at the head and Lori Lightfoot and others,
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this could look like Gavin Newsom's coronation.
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Right when, right when J.D. Vance or the next Republican nominee will be gearing up to race
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for the presidency in two weeks of global media coverage focused on Gavin Newsom rebuilding,
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you know, L.A. after the fires and everything. It could look like it's coronation. And politically,
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I think it's not a very good calculation for the Republican party to support the L.A. 28 Olympics.
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No, I mean, I think that it's going to be very easy to attack because the Olympics have just
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gotten worse and worse every year in terms of the damage they've done to the town.
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Well, it's almost like kicking Los Angeles while it's down, which is.
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Yeah. With Los Angeles already being in the state it's in, this is going to look really,
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really bad. Have they already built most of the infrastructure or are they building it now?
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You know, there's still billions of dollars in costs. And, you know,
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Lucy Wasserman, who I would know is a major Democratic Party fundraiser, was just doing the
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lobbying rounds trying to wrestle up support for the L.A. 28 Olympics because they have a massive
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budget black hole and they're hoping that the U.S. federal government will patch that.
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You know, the International Olympic Committee has $4.5 billion in assets on its balance sheet.
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It should be paying for the great party, not the taxpayers of Los Angeles and certainly not
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the federal taxpayers. Yeah. Well, yeah. And I don't think, I mean,
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does the federal government often pay for part of the Olympics?
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Well, you know, what often ends up happening is the biggest bill of the Olympics starts with
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infrastructure, which is paid for usually by the host city. But then the number two thing
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is security, right? The Olympics are the biggest security operation that will exist in peacetime.
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And it is pretty expected that the federal government will foot the security bill.
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And I don't think that's a very appropriate thing to do in this era of cost cutting.
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And particularly when the International Olympic Committee has such deep coffers of their own.
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Yeah. But Democrats would love that because if you get a terrorist attack and Trump withdrew
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security, then that's going to make Trump's team look bad.
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Well, no, but you know, it's, it's, it said the International Olympic Committee,
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which is $4.5 billion in cash and cash assets should pay for it themselves.
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Yeah. Right. Reimbursed the federal government.
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And I can see Trump holding strong on that point because it just seems so ridiculous.
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Well, and I can also see him having the Olympic Committee pay because he hates a bad deal.
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He hates it when the US puts the bill when someone else clearly can.
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And the Olympic committee president, Thomas Bach, I was only met with president Trump once.
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And he was extremely rude about the president for many years and has made many, many public
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statements disparaging the president. And I think the president, as we all know,
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is personal to him. And it was a very bad form for the Olympic committee president to be
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disparaging the president of the United States. Now I'm expecting the US federal government to put the bill
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for this massive festivity, which will inevitably benefit the Democratic Party.
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Absolutely. Well, okay. So in contrast to the next 2028 Olympics, what do you think could be the
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first year, feasibly, not guaranteed, the enhanced games could go off?
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2025. So in 2025, we are hosting our first exhibition events and swimming in small events to demonstrate
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the model of what we aim to deliver, the potential of athletes, you know, at all ages.
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In their 20s and their 30s, maybe even in their 40s, achieving world-class and even world-record
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That is amazing. Okay. I want to get into the science because you're probably seeing as you're
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ramping up for this, some inklings of what people are doing to enhance themselves for these exhibition
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games. What are people doing? Are you seeing anything innovative? Are you seeing a trend like
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everyone's going for this one thing? What, how are people enhancing themselves?
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Well, it's actually very simple. It's actually quite the opposite. It's not very innovative stuff.
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It's compounds that have been around for north of a hundred years for scientists have won the Nobel
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prize for synthetic growth hormones like testosterone, EPO, and androgen anabolic steroids, right?
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Three compounds that we know that work. We understand the drug-on-drug interactions. We
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understand what good quality manufacturing looks like. And there's ample scientific evidence.
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Six percent of men in the United States and the United Kingdom have used illegal
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anabolic steroids at some point in their life. In the UK, recently, anabolic steroids were
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descheduled. So they're legal for personal use now. And in the United States, I imagine we have a
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very enhanced health secretary now, subject to his confirmation, who is, who is very open-minded about
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the role of enhancements in society. And he's, he's talked very openly about his use of testosterone
00:26:42.440
replacement therapy, which would ban him from Olympic competition. So we have a strong ally of our cause in,
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in, in Washington and with Secretary Kennedy at AJ. And I believe this is the time where we're going to be
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really rethinking so much of the place of human enhancement drugs in our society. And why this
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is so important, I think a lot of people don't realize this. The same drugs that make athletes
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run faster and jump higher are the same drugs that will allow us, the wider population, to live longer,
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healthier and more productive lives. And the reason why Europe is failing is the same reason why Japan
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has more or less failed is because of an aging population. You have much more retirees, pensioners
00:27:28.680
taxing the healthcare system than workers who are paying taxes. And government doesn't know how to solve
00:27:37.000
this problem. This demographic collapse can only be addressed right now through immigration, which we
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all know has lots of social and cultural issues, but it's, there's actually a technological solution,
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which is human enhancement. And that's where we see the biggest opportunity. We don't see this as just
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building a sporting event. We're going to normalize enhancements, develop and market pharmaceutical
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compounds. And there are strong public policy implications for, for this.
00:28:08.280
So my, my discord keeps trying to get me to take steroids. They're like, look, your show would do
00:28:12.360
so much better if you looked more like, you know, Chris Williamson or Joe Rogan, like, why, why don't you
00:28:17.320
just do steroids? Do you think I should like, are they safe? So should you take them? I would say, talk to
00:28:25.080
your doctor, do a full blood panel, make sure that you're healthy, make sure you don't have any
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carcinogenic risks. Are they safe? Well, I can't screen share with you right now, but I would point
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to a study done by Professor David Knott of Imperial College London and published in the Lancet in 2012.
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Lancet is one of the most highly regarded scientific journals in the world. And he did an all-cause risk
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analysis of recreational and performance drugs, both to the individual and to society at large.
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The most dangerous drug on the chart was cocaine. Number two was alcohol. And at the very bottom
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end of the chart, safer than tobacco, cannabis, alcohol, and many other things that we commonly
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accept in our society was self-administered anabolic steroids, not clinically administered anabolic steroids.
00:29:16.440
Oh, why is clinically administered more dangerous?
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No, clinically administered some safer. Oh, okay.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would never recommend anyone self-administered. That's the craziest thing. Like,
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I meet bodybuilders all the time and say, yeah, I'm just ordering my drugs online and injecting myself.
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I'm like, what are you doing? You know, you can like go to a doctor and be fully advised end to end about
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the process. And so- Oh, so you don't mean, okay. So, so clinically it means it was prescribed,
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but the people may still be injecting themselves at home.
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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Physically injecting themselves, but clinically supervised. Yeah.
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Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. So the, the, the major risk of, of, of any performance
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enhancement regime presently is self-administration and it's people ordering their drugs online and
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injecting themselves. And I wouldn't recommend that to anyone, but clinical supervision is a,
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is a great safeguard and the scientific evidence is there, uh, in the most prestigious medical journal
00:30:14.440
in Europe. Well, that is so interesting. So Simone, are you convinced? Should I do it?
00:30:20.200
No, I don't want roid rage. I don't, I don't worry about, I don't know. I, yeah, I don't know.
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You know, you, you had to cut through the media, uh, exterior and look at the scientific evidence.
00:30:35.560
So I would point to creatine, which was a banned drug in many sports leagues in the 1990s when it
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first came out. If you read the media coverage about creating it, it's a super steroid. It causes
00:30:49.080
roid rage. It causes liver cancer. And now you can buy creatine at like, I don't know, Joe and the
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juice. Um, 25% of the goods on the shelf at your local GNC will get you banned from Olympic competition.
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So we're talking about illegal compounds. I think this also shows the crossover between learning
00:31:12.600
more about these chemicals and it being useful for health stuff. Yeah, exactly. And you know,
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individuals to be able to make a choice for themselves about which compounds they use
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when and under what circumstances. And this comes to the legal definition of medicine.
00:31:28.920
Two very smart people here. We interact, we all interact with the medical system every day.
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You know what the legal definition of medicine in the United States is?
00:31:39.320
Yeah. Right. So it's, it's, it's a really fascinating one. Medicine in the, before the 20th century,
00:31:46.680
anyone could call themselves a doctor. And in the early 20th century, Andrew Carnegie, the philanthropist,
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commissioned a sociologist from Johns Hopkins university named Albert Flexner to go and study
00:31:59.720
medical education in America. And the Flexner report proposed the creation of medical schools
00:32:07.560
and state medical boards to regulate the profession. But as part of that process, they had to decide what
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medicine is. And so medicine was decided more than a hundred years ago to be for the treatment and
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the amelioration of illness, right? To make sick people less sick.
00:32:25.080
That seems reasonable, but it is only one very narrow part. And it also seems to define the biggest
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problem with modern medical practice, which is that everything is reactive and preventative
00:32:37.720
medicine and making optimal humans is not even part of the picture. So that's interesting.
00:32:42.040
So, so legally a doctor cannot prescribe you a treatment or a compound unless it is prescribed
00:32:50.040
against a disease state. Oh my gosh. And so this, this is something that I know Secretary Kennedy is
00:32:57.080
inclined to address because aging is not classified as a disease. Aging is seen as a natural human process
00:33:05.240
disease. And disease is something that is very much socially constructed. Osteoporosis, the stiffening
00:33:12.680
of your joints as you get older, was viewed as a natural human process until 1996.
00:33:18.600
Ah. Right. And so one of the greatest contributions that Secretary Kennedy and the Trump administration
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can make is the classification of aging as a disease, which then we can treat, cure and eventually solve.
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And, you know, this is the greatest technological advancement that we could have as human beings.
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So if you guys are close to the administration, this is something you should, or you can probably
00:33:42.360
campaign for it with your connections. I mean, I'm sure that some of them probably have pathways to that.
00:33:48.520
We have many private discussions going on at the moment.
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Yeah. Oh, that's wonderful news. That's cool. God, this is just so great. This administration has been so
00:33:54.200
much fun so far. Anyway, I have been so excited to have you on. How can people contribute to what you're
00:33:59.960
doing or if they're interested in this, follow you? We would love people to share our content
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00:34:11.960
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00:34:16.360
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00:34:22.040
out on every podcast I go on. And I love hearing from our fans. And, you know, the world works in amazing
00:34:27.560
and wonderful ways. So, you know, we're really very, very excited to see the trajectory where
00:34:32.600
we're going. You know, we believe that the future is very bright and the golden age of America is here.
00:34:38.360
And, you know, as the president said in this inaugural address, and, you know, we believe
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that there's a very strong alignment now with what we are doing in the world in which is being built.
00:34:48.440
Wonderful. Well, we're excited to have chatted with you and I hope you have a spectacular day.
00:34:55.000
Great. Thanks so much for coming on. Thank you so much.
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A water monster truck? Yeah, and it floats on water.
00:35:07.960
Oh. Can I eat pizza for something I really want?
00:35:15.080
Well, we're making pizza tonight. Aren't you so excited?
00:35:17.000
I'll make pizza. Yeah, we're going to make a giant pizza tonight.
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All right. I'm going to get you some apple, all right?
00:35:34.520
You and your jokes, mister. You think that's funny, Toasty?