Our Plausible Cryptid Tier List - Bigfoot, Ghosts, Aliens, and More!
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In this episode of Spooky Talk, we discuss some of the weirdest things we've ever heard about aliens, ghosts, cryptids, and more. We also have a story about a goose and a chicken that thinks he's a monster.
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The tier list goes Flathead Monster, Mossman, almost certainly not real.
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And Crop Circles, probably real, but maybe aliens.
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And Gerst's, I don't know, but probably carbon monoxide and or weird.
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But now you'll get to see why we think all of this.
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Okay, okay, before we get into the main topic, this is sort of related.
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I was walking around our backyard this morning, Malcolm, and I heard the weirdest noise.
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And I was by the chicken coop, and I hear what sounds like a goose.
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Like, you know, but the previous people who owned this house used to have geese in the
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I mean, I don't know, like has a goose broken in to the chicken coop?
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But no, turns out that when roosters, we have one male chicken, when they're going through
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their little puberty, and they start to try to like, they like do it very awkwardly.
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And it was just him completely failing to like.
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And he's always trying to be tough to the other.
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So he goes around and bosses him about and like.
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And sometimes, because we have big chickens and little chickens, we put them in the big
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chicken coop to try to get him to handle the big hens, because they're kind of dumb
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and annoying, and they'll end up just bullying him.
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It's about like trying to be masculine and cool and just utterly failing.
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And then as soon as he gets put with the bigger chickens, he freaks out.
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So we put him back in the one of the birds to his side.
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We don't want to hurt his feelings or anything, but also like.
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You've started, you've given him chicken trauma.
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But you know, this is not, you know, there are many people who experience extraordinary
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transporting things like this, like mysterious honks.
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So some of our listeners, and by the way, hello, Simone.
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So one of our listeners is like, yeah, you've mentioned in other videos that you're like
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really into cryptid YouTube and like aliens YouTube.
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And not just that, I've actually spoken on it on another podcast.
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So there's another podcast that like goes into this stuff.
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I don't remember the name of it, but it's by like a professor.
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So like a educated professor type guy and like the way that he is being secretly under, under
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the system is he believes in aliens visiting us and was, was talking to me about that.
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Now, the question here is, as somebody who consumes a ton of content on ghosts and aliens and cryptids
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and all of that, do I believe any of it's real?
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If so, which of it do I think is most likely to be real?
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So I'd say the first, like the most interesting thing about asking me this question is I actually
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sort of don't, like, I don't really think that any of the stories that I have heard have
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a high likelihood and yet I keep consuming them.
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Like I find them just so interesting to investigate.
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I will have to say to the public that you will watch a lot of them to the point where
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you will also leave your closet doors wide open at night.
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Yeah, well, that's because of Mr. Bolin and all the murderers who hide in closets and kill
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It might be two different categories, but I don't think it's impossible.
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So I think something that's really important, and I think a lot of people have had their eyes
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open to this a lot sort of in the post-COVID era.
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Both the media and the government are, like, really comfortable lying to people.
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And they will lie about, like, stupid stuff that there is obvious evidence is either true
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Just, like, going to the academic establishment within our society and using what it is saying
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or the media establishment as true and untrue is sort of useless in terms of determining
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So I can't say that because they say that aliens don't exist, they aren't true.
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So in other words, you're not going to say just on a blanket basis that cryptids and
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A little bit is, like, easier to disprove, right?
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Is it checking that I'm talking about a real thing?
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But this category of stuff, like Mothman, Owlman.
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We've watched a bunch of videos analyzing them, right?
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And, like, the conclusion for a logical person is pretty much always the same.
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Big glowing red eyes hovering above the ground.
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And two, like, of course, in the wrong context, you would think that was a monster.
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And three, the real reason is that these monsters are typically only spotted
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Now, there's other types of cryptids that are seen, like, a lot longer over a period.
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But the Loch Ness monster is pretty easy to dismiss, for me at least,
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There's the iconic toy sticking out of the lake photo.
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Whereas now, in an age of cell phones literally everywhere on the floor.
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While the quality of cameras and proliferation of cameras has increased,
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the number of pictures or plausible pictures has decreased.
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Which makes me think that a lot of those very large cryptids that live in places where they
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might regularly contact humans are almost certainly not real.
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Well, and here's another thing that convinces me that cryptids and aliens are also not real,
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at least many of the reports, which is that when you look at movie releases
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and, like, what the scary either aliens or monsters look like,
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after one of those movie releases for a decent period, a lot of people see that thing.
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So it's like, I'm actually, I just read because it's...
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Well, this is not the truth of the Loch Ness monster.
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Trey the Explainer does a really good thing on this.
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But yeah, if you look at the history of the Loch Ness monster,
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it's changed what it's looked like to be like local recent movie releases.
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And it used to look very different than we see it today.
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Like, now it's just what the diamonds were like.
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And in original iterations, I believe it looked pretty different from that,
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But hold on, I'm not actually going for the I don't think they're real.
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Well, actually, first I want to ask, like, Bigfoot, real or not?
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Bigfoot actually falls into the category of plausible cryptid today.
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So we'll get into why I think it's a plausible cryptid.
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So there's a trooper called Bob Giblin who does a thing,
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and he presented this theory, and I found it marginally convincing.
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I still think very likely it doesn't exist, but it's possible it exists.
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so what this would be as a human subspecies, almost obviously if it existed.
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It would be a, we know that humans coexisted with many subspecies of humans for a very long time.
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So what Bigfoot would be is a human subspecies that evolved a specialization in its sort of mental processing
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So it would be like, let's say like 10 standard deviations or 20 standard deviations above a normal human in IQ
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where that IQ is relevant to not being seen or staying out of the sight of human populations.
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That is not an impossible thing to have happened.
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And it is something that there would have been evolutionary pressure to have happened,
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and it would explain why we have so little evidence of them, yet we see recurring stories of things like this across sort of regions.
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The biggest evidence against Bigfoot is their geographic distribution.
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They just seem to be way too geographically distributed for me.
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Well, they seem to be sort of everywhere in almost every culture.
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And that leads me to believe that there is some sort of human predilection to see something like this in our environments.
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But what about also the human predilection for some humans to be crazy Bushmen who decide to live in the forest and who naturally get pretty hairy?
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Well, yeah, so this is a phenomenon that could happen across areas and then could lead to recurring Bigfoot sightings.
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So we know for a fact that there are men in many different national parks who just, like, are known to be, like, that weird guy who now, like, lives off the land in this park.
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Yeah, now what's interesting is they've done calculations on this, and it couldn't be, because what a lot of people think is, okay, like, are wild men real?
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Like, populations of wild people who live in our national parks?
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Oh, like, actually, not just one-offs, but, like, little colleges.
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They, like, differentiated from normal human populations, maybe, like, in the 1800s or something.
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Like, they broke off and started living alone in the parks and became, like, weird cannibal groups or, in other ways, some sort of weird, you know, inbred offshoot of humanity.
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Likely not, because you need about 80 individuals to maintain the genetic health of a population.
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And a population that size living in the national parks...
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...would be seen, especially if they had the types of mental deficits you would associate with that kind of...
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So, I guess, you know, I'm walking through this from less plausible to most plausible.
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So, we're going from, first, like, really low down, I think, very unplausible stuff to...
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Ghosts, again, I think that it's something that we would see on camera more.
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Like, this is why I think ghosts, for example, are less plausible than Bigfoot.
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So, the idea of a human subspecies that was just, like, so much dramatically smarter than a normal human that it could evade them, fine.
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Spiritual events that could be easily recorded on camera, and yet we're seeing less of these recordings as time goes on, rather than more of these recordings as cameras become more distributed, that strains credulity to me.
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So, first, when I say aliens, I'm just going to say UFOs.
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I mean, like, UFOs, just, like, it could be anything.
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I mean, it could be, like, a spy plane because it's just an idea.
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Right here, I'm talking about unexplained aerial encounters.
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Or, yeah, unexplained aerial encounters or unexplained encounters that are usually attributed to being UFOs.
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Now, the number of these hasn't, like, hasn't declined as much as I would expect.
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In fact, it seems like a lot more were released by the U.S. government recently.
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It has been identified by the U.S. government, and it seems to be something that one of the reasons we don't see it in our everyday is their high-altitude phenomenon frequently.
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So, where you see this most frequently is high-altitude phenomenon.
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Now, I'm actually, I'd say 90%, actually, not even 90%, I'd go higher than that, 98%.
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There are some very strange high-altitude phenomenon we do not have a good explanation for.
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Well, no, because when you hear a lot of the stories, right, people will discount it.
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They'll be like, oh, that's this phenomenon we have an explanation for already.
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Like, some form of ball lightning or something like that.
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And remember, we didn't even figure out what ball lightning was until fairly recently.
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But I think, like, heat lightning or ball lightning, like, there was some astrospheric phenomenon
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And we also need to remember that the giant squid was only discovered recently and would
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have been considered a cryptid before that as well.
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Now, with other deep sea stuff, I think there's likely lots of big, creepy stuff we don't know
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Because we do know about deep ocean gigantification.
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I'd say, like, that there are giant monsters living at the bottom of the ocean.
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Now, these monsters could be giant crabs or something like that.
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But they would be called monsters in common parlance.
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What do I think is going on here with missing time phenomenon?
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Even, like, low-to-the-ground atmospheric phenomenon where you see things happening.
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I think that the very least likely explanation for this is extraterrestrials.
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Of all the explanations, I think that's the least plausible.
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And I would say it's dramatically less plausible than them being humans from the future.
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So, this is where I need to get into why I think it's so less plausible.
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So, we're talking about the most plausible is that it is an atmospheric phenomenon we don't
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Something to do with electricity or gases or something like that.
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Oh, another thing that we need to note, which is just really common for me from a lot of
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mystery stories, because I really love, like, 411 cases and stuff like that.
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Is, I used to be a schizophrenia researcher, and people don't seem to realize how common,
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like, psychotic episodes are, and that they can happen in somebody who's never had a history
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Like, a lot of the stuff that you see is just a tragic example of that.
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Like, there was a recent case of the guy, never done anything wrong, takes his truck into
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the woods, like a giant, like, 16-wheeler truck into the woods and, like, terrorizes this
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forest for a while and then is found dead randomly somewhere else in the woods and the truck
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Like, no, that's just, like, a pretty obvious psychotic break.
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Like, somebody saw him in the middle of this cycle, and they were like, he's like, it wasn't
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Like, that's a common thing someone would say during a schizophrenic break.
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So a lot of this, what you're just seeing is schizophrenia.
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Now, a very common, like, if you have, like, a lower level of schizophrenia, a very common
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symptom of schizophrenia, where I theorize that all the symptoms of schizophrenia come
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from, is that you have a lower level threshold for activation of your theory of mind detector.
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So you're likely to see a theory of mind in things that don't have a theory of mind.
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So you can see this as, like, store window displays, or you could see it as, I've seen
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That must mean that there's a plan, and they're tracking me.
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And, like, that's applying theory of mind where theory of mind shouldn't exist.
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Um, and so you'll see this in a lot of, in a lot of psychotic breaks, or sort of low
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So anyway, which isn't actually exactly the same thing.
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It's like schizoaffective disorder, where some people might think it is, but I don't
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So most likely explanation is atmospheric phenomenon we don't have an explanation for yet.
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But, but that's not an interesting explanation.
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So let's go with the more plausible, interesting explanation, and why I think future humans
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For one, you have to keep in mind, I'm going to be heavily biased by my own theology.
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As you know, Simone and I have a theology around future humans influencing humanity to
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Where I think it is almost an inevitability that a million years from now, if humanity or
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whatever we become is still around, that we, those beings will likely be closer to gods
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And they would likely relate to time very differently than we do today.
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So I'll do a little bit about time right here, because somebody was like, you should talk more
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And we talk about that in two other videos that you should really check out.
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It's very important to our understanding of time.
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And what's behind the fabric of reality video is really important to our understanding of
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time. But to talk a bit more about this, when we look at the ways that we as humans right
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now engage with physics, you know, we can engage with like physical matter and move it and stuff
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like that. And a lot of our physics is around different and unique ways of engaging physical
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matter, like moving it around this four dimensional plane.
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The one dimension we don't really engage with is time in any meaningful context right now.
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We know from gravity wells and stuff like that.
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Time is warped. This is like an incontrovertible part of physics right now.
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Now, it seems to be with our current understanding of physics, you cannot travel backwards in time.
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In our current understanding of physics, it does not appear...
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Like particles might be able to travel backwards in time, but like large intentional macro things
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can't travel backwards in time. Like very small things or information can't travel backwards in
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time, depending on which model of physics you're using. But we do know that you can sort of play
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with time in different ways. It would be interesting and where I think the biggest breakthroughs in
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physics that we are not anticipating with our current model of physics are going to have to do
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as relations of time. Like, as I've said, I suspect that future power generation might be through
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manipulating time. I mean, if you had asked people a couple hundred years ago, did they think that by
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splitting atoms, like the fundamental building block of matter, that that would be a major way
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that we could capture power? I think people would be like, no, it's insane. If you ask people today,
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do you think that by, I wouldn't call it splitting time, I don't know exactly how it's going to work,
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but in some way, manipulating time would be a major source of power generation? No, I don't think so.
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But I think if you just look at our current understanding of physics, it seems like it
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would be the most sustainable power generator out of all conceivable power generators. Like it wouldn't
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burn material in the same way that all existing means of power generation burn material, which would
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allow you to do really interesting things. Another thing to remember is with our current
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understanding of physics, like it does look like time bubbles are probably possible. And by that,
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what I mean is you can likely bud off parts of our universe into other universes where time in one
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universe doesn't interact with time in the other universe anymore. Now, this is far beyond our ability
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in physics, but it seems consistent with our understanding of even like basic physics today.
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Okay. So the idea of like isolated time bubbles are not necessarily impossible. And this is why when
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I look at like a booming AI, how is it going to generate power? I suspect it'll be in ways that are
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very, very, very difficult for us to conceive today. Now that I think about it, this might actually be
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the most likely explanation for the Fermi paradox, which is that when an entity, species, whatever reaches a
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certain level of intelligence or technology, that it begins to be able to generate energy and
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potentially even matter in a way that is non-destructive. So when we think about energy
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today, you know, humans assume that there will be a fight or a conflict over future energy. But if
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energy can be generated from the very nature of reality itself, then there's not as much reason to
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continue to expand outwards at least. It might also mean that aliens like this when they expand
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may find it energy cheaper to expand across dimensions than to expand spatially within the
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existing solar system. So there's all sorts of things like that, where when we look at things
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from our very, very myopic view right now, in terms of our understanding of physics, we can be like,
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why aren't there aliens everywhere? And the answer might just be super obvious. Like, well,
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it's so much cheaper to go across dimensions to your own planet than it is to try to go to a
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different planet. Or, well, I mean, why would you expand when you can just, you know, generate energy
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from time or something like that? Keep in mind that AI isn't the only thing that can foom. You know,
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humans that can begin to edit their own DNA and edit their own brains can also begin to foom.
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You can have a biological foom just as much as you can have a synthetic foom.
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So it's important to remember that there's many ways that our species or whatever we end up
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becoming ends up fooming. And when those things are fooming, they will relate to time differently.
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So that's, that's one thing. So I almost think it's an inevitability that a future iteration of
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humanity would relate to time differently than the way we relate to time. Now the question is,
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can it go back in time? So let's talk about what we would know about these aliens. Like suppose
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they're real, suppose they exist. What do we know about them? We know they go to great care,
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even though they seem to visit us fairly frequently, to not be talked about in like a big way with
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impressed or acknowledged by mainstream society. Like they appear to care about discretion.
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They also appear to be astronomically more technologically advanced than us.
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And they appear to be here in fairly small numbers. By that, what I mean is this is not some
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big invasion force or something like that. We haven't even had one like planet-sized ship with
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thousands of aliens trying to integrate with our species. I think that reptilian theories are,
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The insider access that Simone and I have to elite corners of society that we would know if these
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things were happening. So that being the case, okay, so I don't believe in the reptoids and I
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don't think the, so why don't I think aliens are from another planet? Okay. So a few reasons.
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These features that sort of unite modern alien sightings would make perfect sense that it was
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future humans. If it was future humans, they likely wouldn't want to disrupt timelines that much.
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They might be attempting to disrupt the timeline, but in very specific ways to guide future
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possibilities to come to exist. But if that's their goal in interacting with the timeline,
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then they're less likely to like abduct or mess with high profile people. Instead,
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they would likely use butterfly effect like abductions where they abduct relevant people,
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mess with them in ways that ends up messing with influential people to do things they need to do.
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Because if you were, you know, painting reality, you would want to interfere in the minimum way
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possible while still having the sorts of effects that you're going to have in the future. And that
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interference could even look like floating bowling balls of light, you know, floating glowing balls
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of light, you know, flying around a plane or something like that. Like that could have butterfly effects.
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So it could be that these balls aren't even that sentient or anything like that. They are just being
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guided to look that way for the impact that has on the timeline. That would be a very logical thing
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to do if you were this super intelligent entity.
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I just love this, this theoretical conversation of like future humans that are godlike in power. And
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they're like, yeah, I mean, how do we change the entire timeline? It's like actually pretty simple.
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I mean, just a glowing ball, believe it or not. I don't know. It just works. It's just weird.
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Well, I mean, it would work and it would be the way they would be engaging with us because it would
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be much harder to predict all of the variable outcomes of wide scale interaction, like interacting
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with us through a television show or something like that, which is why I would, another part of the
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theory would be that while aliens are real, the least likely to be real aliens are the ones you see the
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most media coverage on. So the, the giant eyed, weird looking ones. No, no, no, no, no. The like,
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so like an incident that gets a lot of coverage, like the Phoenix night, nightlights. Like there
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was this one instance where it was over a major city and like, oh, and like tons of people filmed
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it. Okay. This would be a likely to be fake sighting. Whereas random person who says they were
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abducted with their wife or random pilot who says, I saw lights outside of my, my, my plane.
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They're most likely to be telling the truth, which is pretty interesting because this future
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entity would know what ends up getting caught in the media, what ends up being told about in the
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media, what ends up getting covered in the way it gets covered. Now, why do I not think that they're
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aliens? Well, there's a few reasons. One is, I just don't think it would be worth it for most
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aliens to travel all the way to earth to fuck with us in the way that aliens seem to be fucking
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with us. It is very trivial and weird ways to mess with people, to be interacting in the atmosphere
00:26:44.380
in a way where you're not really communicating with people, but like just flying around in our
00:26:49.420
upper atmosphere. Yeah. To randomly fly over a city and then disappear to, to, to randomly fly and
00:26:57.440
then crash in a way where it can be like recovered by the military. Yeah. It's kind of funny to think
00:27:03.180
that like they would develop the technology to do interplanetary channel, like travel. And then
00:27:08.120
they like get to us and they're like, Oh, I can't drive anymore. Like, I don't know. Just, yeah.
00:27:12.060
Yeah. Well, they see the way of messing with us. It's just fucking with us. It would be like
00:27:15.640
teenage aliens come to earth just to fuck with us. But then also they have the self-control to not be
00:27:20.660
caught by us. That seems unlikely. I don't know. It kind of reminds me of that Rick and Morty episode
00:27:25.620
with like, show us what you got. Like, you know, we could always end up on some intergalactic game
00:27:31.540
show. Well, also we've got to think about what would be the nature of most alien species. So there's
00:27:37.160
sort of two types of alien species. One is an alien species that's like very thoughtful and expands
00:27:42.440
slowly and is, you know, this is the kind alien species. They run into us and they're not interested
00:27:48.400
in wiping us out. But then you have grabby aliens, which is the other type of alien species,
00:27:51.600
which is just interested in super, super fast expansion. Okay. Did you say grabby?
00:27:56.600
Grabby. It's a technical term. You could look it up. It's used in a lot of math equations on how
00:28:00.760
all aliens would expand in the universe and you should expect to see the first other aliens.
00:28:05.380
Now we might become a grabby alien species if we turn out to be a very expansionist system.
00:28:10.620
Might. Well, and you know that Simone and I, of our faction, of our vision for humanity ends up
00:28:16.300
spreading, we will become a very grabby species. Grabby species, while they may let a species live,
00:28:22.840
they're typically not awesome to have in your neighborhood because they're typically so
00:28:26.700
interested in expansion and they're typically, you know, very technologically advanced compared to
00:28:32.540
native species. These species expand as a civilization almost as fast as they can travel.
00:28:40.080
So if they develop speed of light travel, they are expanding as a civilization, you know, and when
00:28:46.680
I say as soon, I mean, they might go to a new planet set up, get set up for like 100, 500 years.
00:28:51.800
That's not really that long in the scale of the universe. And then immediately be moving to the
00:28:56.400
next planet or planet system. But realistically, they're probably moving like 50, 20 years after
00:29:01.580
they get to a new planet. So they would expand incredibly quickly. And why this is relevant
00:29:07.560
is you're not likely to get multi-hundred year scouting parties on Earth with this type of
00:29:14.360
species. Yeah, because they would just take us out. They would just take us out. Yeah. Or they would
00:29:19.240
be here and not care because expansion to them is more important than any sort of prime directive
00:29:23.660
or anything like that. Right. Yeah. But why would they do it? Like, what is the prime directive
00:29:28.420
other than like a weird zoo that's like was in your empire, but you don't, what? Like that seems
00:29:34.740
unlikely to me. Okay. So let's recap then. Hold on. Hold on. So we got Bigfoot, maybe other cryptids,
00:29:40.320
mostly not UFOs, probably just future humans doing time travel nonsense and anything else?
00:29:50.620
Hmm. What other aliens? Oh, like most other cryptids, owls, owls, always owls.
00:29:55.740
Most other cryptids, owls. I mean, the joke was cryptids in the cryptid, like skeptic community.
00:30:04.140
Well, you get sad because you run out of cryptids. I always want new cryptids to look at or new cryptids.
00:30:10.300
So another thing about ghosts, which I should note from-
00:30:15.220
Well, so we have two reasons. I mean, one is personal experience. So I worked at the Smithsonian's
00:30:22.800
Which is famously haunted? What? Like, how is that?
00:30:26.160
Well, so I like working at odd times, as people know. So I regularly get there at two in the
00:30:31.280
morning. I regularly leave at two in the morning. Almost every day I get there around two or three
00:30:34.740
in the morning. I was one of the first people in the Smithsonian. I said, people don't know this
00:30:37.780
about the back roads of the Smithsonian. I'll leave and see if I can find pictures of them.
00:30:40.440
But the department I worked in was floor to ceiling human bones.
00:30:51.520
They're often Native American bones that were taken from their resting sites improperly because
00:30:58.100
the Smithsonian has been around for a long time. And they have tried to return what they
00:31:02.920
can, but their labeling systems aren't always as good as a person would like.
00:31:06.520
I don't think we have empirical evidence to suggest that, like, indigenous bones are more
00:31:14.400
Well, it's not just indigenous bones. The point being is they have bones from many periods taken
00:31:19.960
likely and properly from almost every culture in the world at a density that is likely unmatched
00:31:26.660
anywhere in the world. And I was there at all the spooky times working with lots and lots of human
00:31:33.940
You were nervous at all. You were not nervous at all?
00:31:36.180
At all. It actually felt very comfy and safe to me. And the reason it felt comfy and safe
00:31:41.580
to me is, so I actually worked in the department where bones was supposed to be filmed at one
00:31:45.820
point. So bones, so this is something that the Smithsonian does and people have seen the
00:31:50.840
show bones and you actually act a lot like temperance Brennan, which I, which I absolutely
00:31:54.480
love that I saw this show and I met like a real temperance Brennan, but anyway, so the show
00:31:58.280
bones takes place where there's this crime detective unit at the Smithsonian that like looks at
00:32:02.420
corpses that are too decomposed. This is a real thing. They actually would take bones to my
00:32:07.780
department at the Smithsonian if they were too decomposed. And it was a department that at one
00:32:11.580
point I actually ran, not because I technically ran it, but because everyone else went on a dig in
00:32:16.620
Africa. And I was like, look, I've done field work for the last five summers in a row. I want to just
00:32:24.480
But they went fine. So I was the only person in the department, not because of like, I was
00:32:29.100
technically actually writing anything. I was just writing it because I was-
00:32:33.160
I was the intern who was left behind. But they only get like one case a year or something like
00:32:38.240
And they also don't have a beautiful like glass office, multi-store.
00:32:42.080
Oh no, no, no. It was really small. Yeah. So the point I was going to get to is the reason I
00:32:44.980
always felt so safe there is the hallways are so cramped and the rooms are so cramped that somebody
00:32:51.360
like me who always likes to, who really feels safe in environments with a lot of clutter and a lot,
00:32:57.540
but like organized clutter and sort of a musky smell. And like your, your back is always to a
00:33:03.860
corner. Like I felt really safe in this environment. Now a corner filled with bones, but-
00:33:08.660
Well, you can always use the bones to impale someone who attacked you.
00:33:15.300
But then the other environment, it's like, okay, well, so it could turn out that ghosts aren't tied to
00:33:19.120
bones, but they're sort of like imprints left by humans on specific locations.
00:33:23.740
Yes. No, you, you yourself have admitted that sometimes we get into houses and it's like,
00:33:28.620
Oh, well, what's interesting is our house is from the 1700s.
00:33:35.780
Tons in this very room, probably at least like five people have died.
00:33:39.480
That's the master bedroom. At least five people have died.
00:33:43.520
Astral phenomenon. Although you could say, everybody says the house feels like uniquely wholesome,
00:33:48.980
like more wholesome than it should feel. And so it may have like a positive haunting where
00:33:56.920
Yeah. Well, and we've also been in other historical houses where it's like, I do not want to be
00:34:02.660
Yeah. I definitely feel that. Like bad vibe houses.
00:34:04.560
So like, what's that? What do you think that is? You know, that, that's a cryptid thing.
00:34:12.780
The houses are structured in a way that feels very undefensible to a modern way. Like it feels
00:34:18.460
off and very big spaces. The houses that I feel really scared in are usually the most mansiony
00:34:25.480
houses, whether they're old or new. And they are the ones with the biggest spaces and the emptiest
00:34:30.920
spaces. So in our house, every space is sort of utilized for something. Like I'm in a bedroom right
00:34:37.580
here and you can see the kids like bunk beds being built into the walls next to an old fireplace and
00:34:41.940
everything like that. Every room has a purpose. And I think it's purposeless rooms that create
00:34:47.740
that feeling of dread, but it could be the only time I've like literally a phenomenon. Yeah.
00:34:53.960
At one point before I met you, I was in a hotel in New York, really tiny, tiny room. Cause I was
00:34:58.900
on a college budget, but like I had an experience in the early morning where I like could like packed
00:35:05.660
up right away and left. I do think that there are some spaces. I don't know. Like I do not
00:35:11.680
believe in ghosts, but like, I believe in. There might be emotional imprints on the fabric
00:35:17.680
of reality, but if that's true, that means emotions interact with the fabric of reality
00:35:21.900
in a way that modern physics doesn't capture, which.
00:35:24.020
Well, and like also doesn't work at all with our metaphysical model because we just see
00:35:28.000
emotions as signals. Like I don't think it's that. I think it's probably, so, you know,
00:35:32.540
there's Skinwalker Ranch, right? That's another really interesting.
00:35:35.320
Yeah. But that's very, very likely to be. Yeah. So, so wait for background, for those
00:35:41.240
who don't know about Skinwalker Ranch, it is a ranch that has been investigated for like
00:35:45.780
maybe over 20 years now for strange phenomena that take place. Like cows are found, like
00:35:51.320
gutted out with people there, like see things and freak out and get really paranoid and start
00:35:56.880
like bolting doors and covering windows with nonsense and just completely losing it. And it seems
00:36:03.080
really clear that there may be some kind of not yet understood fungus. It's like coming
00:36:08.420
out from the ground. Yeah. My read is it's probably like a, a, a time related fungus thing,
00:36:14.000
or it might be like a mountain range in a unique spot where you would expect atmospheric phenomenon
00:36:20.940
if they were like clustering in an area. Yeah. It could be one of those things, but here's
00:36:25.120
the other option. Okay. Suppose it was future humans. A lot of these phenomenon that we see
00:36:28.900
like mutilated cows and stuff like that. Well, that would, why would, why would humans from the
00:36:33.280
future go to Skinwalker Ranch and mutilate cows? Well, they would likely have locations that they
00:36:37.720
would return to regularly that there are. Oh, like they have a portal there or something?
00:36:42.300
The thing with Skinwalker Ranch is it's so well covered. I doubt it would be an area that they
00:36:46.060
would return. Yeah. They might have a facility that like, maybe you need to build facilities to do
00:36:49.940
this, but then, you know, if you're going back in time, Earth is in a completely different
00:36:53.620
location vis-a-vis the world. Well, maybe it's kind of like, what is it? A transporter from Star Trek,
00:36:58.120
but like, if you do it wrong, like the guts come out the wrong side, like it could be a side effect
00:37:01.900
of time travel where like, oops, like the organs of this mammal. Well, so there's two options here.
00:37:07.660
Cows could be people experimenting with early time travel. That would be interesting. Now, another
00:37:13.460
thing is, is if you wanted to influence human populations, like suppose you wanted to influence
00:37:17.920
the evolution of human populations, would want to influence us through our food supply and studying
00:37:24.440
cows would likely be very important. Like if you were trying to manifest a certain evolutionary pathway
00:37:30.760
for humanity, yeah, you'd want to be messing with crops and animals. People in society today,
00:37:36.260
we look at crops and animals as being ancillary or backwards or irrelevant. But if you are a future
00:37:42.520
human trying to influence the genetic direction of the species, crops and livestock actually become
00:37:48.880
pretty interesting, likely more interesting than urban populations. Oh, so are we getting to crop
00:37:54.840
circles now? It's just like botched attempts to like bioengineer crop and like accidentally the
00:38:00.780
application method, like looks like a weird circly thing. Well, so a lot of crop circles, if you go
00:38:06.820
really deep on crop circles, it's actually pretty interesting. Okay. People came out and crop
00:38:12.400
circles, I actually think are a very high likelihood to be a real phenomenon. What? No, there's like all
00:38:16.920
these stories of people making them. Yes. But those people also seem to be tied to CIA and stuff like
00:38:23.780
that. So we do know that a lot of people faked crop circles. Oh, to like make other like, so to cover
00:38:28.660
up the ones that are not explained. Yeah. There's very good evidence that the people faking crop circles
00:38:33.400
were, some were just jokers. CIA plants. Okay. So some jokers, some CIA plants, you're saying,
00:38:41.040
and then some real. There is such a confluence of evidence that I would say was a 95% certainty
00:38:48.240
that at least one intelligence agency was paying people to make crop circles. Okay. And didn't say
00:38:54.480
that I fake made crop circles. Now, the question is, why would they do this? Yeah. This is actually a
00:39:00.420
very interesting question. And the answer is, well, because crop circles are real. You wouldn't
00:39:06.280
do this if crop circles weren't real. You wouldn't have an interest in convincing. I don't know. It
00:39:11.100
could be that like, you need a new cycle that you know is going to be likely to get eaten up by some
00:39:17.580
subject you need to not have surface. It could have been distracting from something else. But if you look
00:39:21.460
at some instances of crop circles, there are some instances of crop circles that are very hard
00:39:26.080
to explain through other means. This is to me, ultimate skeptic, ultimate skeptic. I'm pretty
00:39:34.520
fucking skeptical. So, but let's look at crop circles from a non, like what could crop circles
00:39:40.260
be? Right. Okay. Crop circles seem to me to be either an atmospheric phenomenon or a genuine
00:39:49.020
attempt at communication. If it's a genuine attempt at communication, well, this, I do not think it's like
00:39:54.960
a spaceship landing. Okay. I think it's much more likely somebody on a planet very, very, very, very
00:40:02.880
far from us trying to write something as small as they can. Well, no, think about it. So you're on a
00:40:09.300
planet very far from earth and you're trying to communicate with us and you need to write on
00:40:13.620
something, right? Yeah. Okay. Crops would likely look like a very good medium. Well, yeah. Cause you
00:40:18.680
know, the humans are using it. So that's there and they're nice and uniform. So that helps, but why
00:40:25.340
wouldn't you just do it on a parking lot? Well, I doubt it would. I doubt it would. So suppose-
00:40:31.880
It would be noticed much more early. What? A singed parking lot with like little doodles on it. Totally.
00:40:37.600
People would notice that. Maybe, but you're also much more likely to actually incinerate someone.
00:40:42.860
Oh, that's sweet. Oh, so they're being careful. Well, we know that no crop circles have killed
00:40:48.060
someone yet, as far as we know. As far as we know. Well, I mean, that's an important thing. You
00:40:53.080
know, what they're doing seems like it would, if a human was in the area at the time, kill them.
00:40:58.100
Yeah. If crop circles are real. Right. So that's interesting. So yeah. One theme that I really
00:41:05.540
like throughout this, this, this conversation is the role that a person's metaphysical framework
00:41:11.140
or religious framework plays and how they interpret cryptids. Like I, you know, you're
00:41:15.440
like, well, you know, it's, it's obviously future humans. Cause that's, that's, you know,
00:41:18.940
those are our gods and that is our metaphysical belief. Like I, I could totally see other people
00:41:23.020
being like, so obviously it's angels or, you know, obviously it's aliens could also be future
00:41:28.880
humans. It would be a nice way to influence people that would have less extraneous variables
00:41:34.320
attached to it. Yeah. Or it could be like a timestamp that they used. I mean, you know,
00:41:40.820
no, no, I, I, I agree with, with all of this. Yeah. So that's our sort of tier list for cryptids
00:41:48.020
and aliens and phenomenon. Okay. In the comments, can people please share their like real life ghost
00:41:54.340
stories with us? Cause I really like those. They have to be true. Don't give me fake creepy pasta
00:42:00.160
stories. I want your real encounters with plausible big feet, ghosts, goblins, whatever nonsense.