Based Camp - Parentification： Malcolm and Simone Debate How Much Responsibility Kids Should Have for Siblings

00:00:00.000 hello simone hello gorgeous husband today we are going to do an episode on the topic of

00:00:07.980 parentification so what i've learned because i wanted to do some more research on this before

00:00:12.960 going live with this episode is like the actual definition of parentification is not the way it

00:00:20.040 is used by youtube commenters oh and so we'll be talking about parentification as three different

00:00:28.280 concepts throughout this show so first is the way that it is most often used because where i see this

00:00:35.420 is when we're watching like ultra progressive reaction videos to pernatalist families i.e

00:00:39.780 video families with a lot of kids yeah or when we see fam kids who grew up in large environments with

00:00:45.420 a lot of other kids their complaint is parentification and when this is we should say

00:00:50.360 kids who grew up in large families who subsequently deconverted from that their birth culture

00:00:55.120 essentially yeah so they will say that they were forced to undertake the role of the parent

00:01:01.980 in some of like in helping raise their siblings that they were in part responsible for raising

00:01:08.880 their siblings this is the way it is used within pop culture then within the medical industry or or

00:01:15.020 the way it was originally intended to be used is actually there is emotional parentification which

00:01:20.340 means that the parent relies on their child for emotional support that should be coming from their

00:01:27.960 partner i.e they are treating their child more like a friend and less like a child the other category

00:01:36.980 of parentification here is when a child feels the need to take on responsibility because their parent

00:01:47.880 isn't fully responsible okay so an example here would be like their dad ran away their mom's addicted to

00:01:55.100 crack and they had to raise their sibling okay this is very different than the way youtubers mean it

00:02:00.620 which is i grew up in a family with seven kids and i was responsible for sometimes watching after my

00:02:08.260 siblings or feeding my siblings or etc and it's a very important topic to dive into

00:02:15.480 because so long as parentification as it is talked about was in the youtube community

00:02:21.200 is something that is shamed culturally we will never be able to get above replacement rate again

00:02:27.320 because taking responsibility for one's family members historically was just seen as an obvious

00:02:36.200 moral good and responsibility of every individual right you cannot raise a large family

00:02:42.560 especially in a historic context without the children taking on some of the parental roles

00:02:49.020 and to understand what i mean when i say this in the 1800s in the united states

00:02:55.340 your average american had seven kids average so that means for every american who didn't get married

00:03:04.800 or had zero kids there was another american having over 14 kids okay that means for every american

00:03:14.400 who had four kids the measly tiny number of four kids owe shame to that baron spinstress 1.00

00:03:22.400 which we only recently got to a few days ago that meant that there was another family

00:03:29.120 that was having 10 kids okay these were families the average american family where the kids were relied

00:03:41.980 upon in part to help with child rearing and we should note how much this was a stalled in a cultural

00:03:48.020 context so i read the diary from one of my ancestors in a previous episode it's the episode titled

00:03:54.760 something like kids used to like their parents and it was it's a great episode by the way i strongly

00:04:00.320 suggest you to check it out it's one of those episodes where it ended up getting rev shared and

00:04:03.920 i was like i don't even care too good but great episode but this previous episode in the diaries

00:04:10.200 something that was very interesting is it was seen as totally normal and admirable for the older

00:04:18.100 siblings in a family to give up their potentiality in life to expand the potentiality of the younger

00:04:25.880 siblings so in this family what happened is the you could go work in the local lumber mill and make

00:04:31.680 good money but you didn't have any chance of upward social mobility so the older siblings in the family

00:04:38.860 the two oldest brothers went to work in the lumber mill and then use the money that they made in the lumber

00:04:44.800 bill to make sure that their younger siblings could get a good education and today this would be seen

00:04:51.880 of as horrifying how could that happen in the frontier time it's not like the parents had any money

00:04:56.400 they were barely scraping by as they had a in the story they had some pigs and they had a spin wheel

00:05:03.800 for making dresses and that was it like a one-room house in an outhouse that was what they owned right

00:05:10.420 you didn't have anything else and i think that in a historic context we just forget that because we

00:05:19.440 compare ourselves only to our parents generation how hard things were we also need to talk about the

00:05:25.680 psychological benefits of parentification but before we do that simone i'd love it if you had any

00:05:31.480 thoughts on what i've gone over so far yeah you're basically just saying this is a practical reality in a

00:05:36.880 high fertility culture which i think is a really important foundation for this because most people

00:05:42.040 when they're looking at prenatalism going forward would never think parentification would or could

00:05:47.880 be a part of that and a lot of their priors are based on okay how do we raise a kid the way that

00:05:52.440 we raise kids now which is unsustainable inherently there has to be parentification yeah it's interesting

00:05:58.900 we have a friend who's from a very high fertility family mormon family and who has deconverted and who's

00:06:03.700 actually incredibly successful it's remarkable to me that she has any complaints about her i always

00:06:07.820 am like people are like well your parents good parents and i go i don't know i'm successful and

00:06:11.900 happy with my life so they must have been they're like what about all the horrible things i was like

00:06:15.060 it turns out this must have been in my best interest or i judge the quality of a parent not by a child's

00:06:20.220 self-description of them but by how well the child did as an adult i'm like then your childhood

00:06:24.680 clearly provided you with some utility which is you know i'm very much a functionalist people always make

00:06:29.920 fun of us for that but she complained she's the look of my family had a i had eight siblings and

00:06:34.500 i was the oldest and i always ended up having to take care of them and it really robbed me of my

00:06:40.280 childhood and i was like okay so which of your siblings would you prefer not to exist and she's 0.97

00:06:47.860 that's like apple and oranges and it's no it's not the you not getting to do whatever you wanted in

00:06:54.840 your childhood not giving to live the childhood you saw portrayed in media that promoted unsustainable

00:07:00.680 family practices not having that childhood is what allowed those other individuals to exist

00:07:07.140 it's if somebody came when they're like i really hate these guardrails on roads they block my view

00:07:15.480 as i'm driving and it would just be somewhat more scenic if we could go to a time when they didn't exist

00:07:19.920 i'm like they save x many lives per year and they're like that's really apples and oranges and

00:07:25.080 it's no it's really not apples and oranges this is the consequence you not having the view you want

00:07:30.840 of those things existing and they exist in order to save lives so that more humans can live fulfilling

00:07:37.860 lives and you don't want to internalize that you are the type of person who would deny another human

00:07:48.680 being a chance at life just for your convenience but you are that type of person and i think that's

00:07:58.200 the fundamental thing and so the question is how did these memes spread in our society that it is bad

00:08:04.120 to expect responsibility from children yeah and i think what they really stem from is the belief that

00:08:12.360 it's bad to expect responsibility from anyone and then especially children anytime when responsibility

00:08:19.200 was forced on them as i pointed out the demonification of starship troopers why is starship troopers

00:08:24.440 demonized as fascists it is a world that presumably has everything progressive said that they want

00:08:30.360 it is a world where minorities can enter the highest levels of position within society it is a world with

00:08:36.200 total gender equality it is a world with total ethnic equality it is a world without interhuman wars it is

00:08:43.840 a world of peace but what's the bad thing and it's ah you let it slip you let slip what you really

00:08:50.320 wanted which was a world without responsibility what is bad about that world is that to vote you have to

00:08:55.660 sacrifice either by participating in the military or through civil some form of civil work which is

00:09:02.640 open is made clear in the book and it's not denied in the movie so we have to assume that this is true

00:09:06.400 in the movie universe as well that there is always a way to earn the right to become a citizen even if

00:09:11.660 you are disabled or mentally disabled or something like that they create something for you the key is

00:09:15.440 just that you have to sacrifice something that is given without sacrifice has no value is in the

00:09:23.560 lines of the movie and i think it's true this is the way people see things given without sacrifice

00:09:27.120 and in the discord server for it they were sharing a post on reddit recently which was like

00:09:33.360 our podcast discord server yeah our podcast discord server i'll include a link in the notes it was about

00:09:38.480 how everybody deserves housing everybody deserves an hvac everybody deserves internet everybody deserves

00:09:45.100 electricity and it's even even if they don't work regardless of employment it said and it's what are you

00:09:51.180 actually saying when you say that you're saying that people who are not producing anything deserve

00:09:57.900 to have people forced to produce for them that hvac needs to be serviced built same with that house

00:10:04.220 same with the electricity those people are essentially working as slaves for the individuals who are doing

00:10:11.040 this they are being forced to work without remuneration when they're like well force other people to

00:10:17.760 remunerate them that doesn't solve the problem that now you have turned those other people into

00:10:22.240 essentially your wage slaves but let's bring this back to parentification because i think it's a

00:10:27.820 really important issue and i think an important thing to point to which we've pointed to in many

00:10:31.920 other podcasts but still it bears repeating is that removing responsibility from people does not impart

00:10:37.960 mental health good mental health it does not impart fitness it does not impart an edge in society

00:10:43.560 it does not impart impart competitiveness so when you remove responsibility from someone you are

00:10:49.380 pretty much just hurting them but i also want to draw a line here because when i see people commenting

00:10:56.300 on parentification sometimes they do so with some merit and i think we do have to draw the line of where

00:11:02.920 we think parentification goes too far there there was mention i think the duggars at one point they had

00:11:09.060 something called the buddy system which i think is great where you're responsible for

00:11:12.240 your immediately younger sibling or a younger sibling something like that where siblings paired

00:11:17.020 up and took care of each other and they also just generally had older siblings take care of younger

00:11:20.860 siblings one thing that they did were i don't think it was imparting the good kind of responsibility

00:11:26.040 was where they gave children tasks that were above and beyond what they could even do for themselves

00:11:32.940 and i do agree with many people who are critics of parentification that minors

00:11:37.900 are still developing they're still figuring out their own task because i don't think that you're

00:11:44.160 actually criticizing parentification i think you're criticizing basic safety which is just that i think a lot

00:11:49.980 of traditional families might scoff at that the one thing that i would draw the line at which i think the

00:11:54.320 duggars did is they had some of their children take care of infants overnight when they had 0.56

00:12:01.820 overnight feeding needs and they were really small and when you're a teen you need a lot of sleep when

00:12:07.520 you're a teen you don't necessarily know how to do like advanced infant care it can get really

00:12:11.740 complicated and you might wait this is when they were teens that's fine i think it might have been when

00:12:16.960 they were younger kids teenagers used to have infants that's true but i know i would still draw the line

00:12:23.960 at that i think that there is there is a line you need to draw when it comes to things like health safety

00:12:29.740 knowing like child cpr like there's a lot of stuff that's it's too much to put on a kid

00:12:34.180 really yeah if it was a if it was like an eight-year-old doing that's one thing okay

00:12:40.220 if it's a teenager doing that no they can safely feed a kid at night

00:12:45.040 and asking that your family takes on some responsibility for their new siblings specific

00:12:52.600 jobs like that i think is fine depending on how you structure their daily routine

00:12:57.940 right now it might be less fine if you have them going to a public school or something like that

00:13:02.320 where they're expected to manage their time really strictly but if you have a family like ours where

00:13:07.520 by the time we're talking this morning a kid's in their teens we're going to be much more focused on

00:13:10.940 helping them set up a company um than going to school in a company that they run and have ownership

00:13:16.280 of so i wouldn't be as worried about that and i think that this is just one of those things where

00:13:23.460 you haven't gotten to the stage yet where our kids are old enough to take on those sorts of

00:13:26.880 responsibilities i would be asking to take on those sorts of responsibilities no yeah so there's

00:13:31.240 a key part of this which also involves consent so one i think that if your child does not have

00:13:36.560 certain self-care things together you cannot expect them to do a good job or be able to take on the

00:13:42.880 self-care of another child this is where i just agree pretty strongly with you i think that having an

00:13:48.540 individual like if you want an individual to have their own self-care together the single worst thing

00:13:53.840 you can do to somebody who is struggling with self-care is remove responsibilities i agree

00:13:59.600 removing responsibilities thing you can do to improve an individual's own self-care is increase

00:14:04.800 the number of responsibilities they have yeah but i wouldn't say by putting that on someone else i

00:14:09.460 wouldn't subject another child to the the care routine of someone who doesn't have their own care

00:14:14.980 routine together i just wouldn't i also think that consent is really important with this that kids

00:14:20.820 should not be given they shouldn't be forced into brandification without having some kind of

00:14:25.800 enthusiasm for it either be that because they get more privileges really i i encourage you to really

00:14:31.580 think about what you're saying why do you have these feelings do you think it is not in the best

00:14:36.960 interest of the kid because clearly it is you've seen the research right but first we should know

00:14:42.320 with additional kids just so people know there's this belief that if you have a ton of kids

00:14:46.460 you're really hurting the prospects of every kid you do have which is just not true unless you're

00:14:51.800 in south korea unless you're in south korea which we did an episode on but in the united states kids

00:14:56.460 actually tend to do a bit better mental health wise and outcomes wise i think up to about sibling

00:15:00.500 number two or three and then they begin to do worse but not by a huge margin so for example if i look

00:15:06.660 at the study associations of birth order with mental health problems self-esteem reliance and happiness

00:15:11.220 among children i can see that only children have significantly more total difficulty scores

00:15:16.820 they have more problems with emotional symptoms they have more hyperactivity slash attention deficit

00:15:23.300 problems they have more problems with their peer relationships and they have less pro-social

00:15:28.420 behavior they also have lower resilience teaching your kids to take on roles that they have a

00:15:35.480 responsibility to take on roles within the family unit for those who are defenseless or need care

00:15:43.780 more i think is solely a one moral good you are teaching them good morals it is their responsibility

00:15:50.980 within their cultural ecosystem to care for those that have less than them okay this is all family

00:15:57.900 units as we said are communist systems a well-structured family unit is from each according to their

00:16:03.080 ability to each according to their needs and that is what a family is and an infant needs more and the

00:16:10.940 teenager can produce more you are teaching a good value system interculturally there one two giving an

00:16:19.300 individual additional tasks and teaching them that sometimes they just have to handle something for the

00:16:26.400 greater good of their cultural unit is really one psychologically valuable and teaches them good morals it

00:16:32.840 reminds me when we started running our company and something that i was raised believing just like

00:16:37.360 intuitively because it was the way my house was structured is if you saw a mess it doesn't matter

00:16:43.540 who made the mess it is your responsibility to clean it up if there was spilled milk or something like that i

00:16:48.680 was never allowed to say but my brother spilled it it's but why didn't you clean it up you knew

00:16:56.620 that would cause damage if it stayed there you knew it was a danger to others if it stayed there

00:17:00.760 why didn't you handle it i agree with that philosophy i just think that there's nuance to this and when

00:17:07.600 the health and safety of other people are involved i think it's really important that

00:17:13.140 when you give adversity to someone and responsibility to someone that there is something of when possible an

00:17:21.180 opt-in element of this you're stepping up for it and that can mean because you're getting additional

00:17:25.540 privileges that can mean because when you do that good things happen you get additional resources you

00:17:30.480 get additional power or privilege or something that makes your life also better but i do think

00:17:36.280 know if i agree with this i do not think capitalist system should be so capitalist system exists in the

00:17:40.880 world outside of the family when you start rewarding things inside the family every positive action has a

00:17:47.860 reward i think that creates a really negative psychological framing for your kid i agree i think being

00:17:53.080 mercenary is the wrong way to go and i what you can't see huh have i changed no you're not you're

00:18:00.420 not changing my mind i just think this is a lot more nuanced than you think it is like with the

00:18:03.560 duggar family were the boys taking care of their little siblings not really oh so it was done in a 0.86

00:18:09.080 gender but also like in jill duggar's biography she writes about the fact that she enjoyed it like it was

00:18:14.600 something that she appreciated oh yeah i love that the uh people who read it like the progressives were

00:18:20.040 like she was brainwashed yeah they refused to believe that it was a thing that she could have

00:18:25.300 possibly appreciated but there there are elements of aptitude there are elements of capability there

00:18:30.800 are elements of interest even in families that don't give people the choice and to act as though

00:18:36.120 you're going to foist upon people responsibilities so they're not willing to take on when there are

00:18:41.420 other helpless people involved i think is deeply morally wrong parents if our kids are not willing

00:18:48.300 or eager to from a moral standpoint to take on the responsibility yeah there are a variety of

00:18:55.620 responsibilities that kids can choose to take on to do their part in the house even at without

00:18:59.520 remuneration in a totally communist system where they can shine and i think that giving people that

00:19:05.780 at least market-based communism where everyone steps in to contribute what they're best at contributing

00:19:11.040 is really important maybe one kid is going to get really good at fixing things for other people

00:19:17.000 or resolving disputes one is going to be incredibly into younger child care or organizing events that

00:19:24.220 is still in the communist system from each according to their abilities but i know but what you're

00:19:28.860 implying is just foisting upon people responsibilities that are not that willing to give to a teenage

00:19:34.500 people that nobody want there's no interest in it yeah i am suggesting that there are certain

00:19:40.040 responsibilities that nobody wants to deal with you when you create a system or a moral framework for kids

00:19:46.580 where they believe that they don't have to do something because they don't like doing it you are

00:19:52.960 creating a ball that rolls down a hill which ends in modern progressivism you cannot i understand you're

00:20:00.160 like i want to make a compromise here or i want to make a compromise here and i am okay with making

00:20:05.460 compromise when the safety of another kid is at stake okay when it's something like an infant or

00:20:11.420 something like that and you do not think the infant will be safe fine but i am not okay with saying that

00:20:16.520 i am making this compromise because the kid doesn't want to do it the kid should understand that they are

00:20:22.200 seen as a failure in the eyes of the family for not being willing to undertake this responsibility

00:20:27.780 themselves and that when you're building a moral framework that says and this is why this is

00:20:33.060 how all of these systems when they're trying to like why does the urban monoculture why does the

00:20:37.240 virus teach people about parentification in this way why does it use this me this idea of

00:20:43.860 parentification because it is a good way to drive a wedge between an individual and their birth culture

00:20:49.600 and their parents because all cults that is the core goal even if it was obviously in their best

00:20:56.300 interest they need to say you were brainwashed you were gatling gaslit even when they've left

00:21:00.320 their family even when they have antagonism to their family and they're like yeah but this thing

00:21:03.640 wasn't bad for me and they're like no you only think that because gaslighting these thoughts is really

00:21:08.760 important to cults in terms of breaking people out of family and traditional cycles and i think

00:21:14.940 yeah i want to know do you really believe what you're saying that teaching a kid that they shouldn't

00:21:22.100 have to do something that just needs to be done for like society somebody says i didn't want to

00:21:26.540 clean up the milk therefore i don't have to do you not see the problem in that how it no you that's

00:21:30.800 not true the way that i parent you know that i draw lines where i'm like if you want this you have to do

00:21:35.960 this other thing for hold on for a second

00:21:37.780 that said when it comes to the care of other people i think it's really important for there to be

00:21:45.860 an opt-in factor and that you cannot put someone who is openly unwilling over in the care of someone

00:21:52.520 else now i do think raising families with a responsibility where everyone feels like their

00:21:56.660 personal responsibility for the safety and well-being of their siblings is crucial and that's

00:22:01.720 a culture thing but i think assigning people like okay you now are responsible for this person

00:22:08.560 and you even though what do you do about the things that nobody wants to do

00:22:13.840 i think that there's always someone who is willing more willing to do something than the other person

00:22:20.260 and having a market-based system for that works out really well if one kid really hates taking out

00:22:24.240 the trash or cleaning or doing laundry or cooking or watching after a certain kid they'll trade

00:22:30.620 responsibilities and i think well then the way you have it is you have tradable responsibilities that are

00:22:34.840 divided equally yeah so every kid gets a shift on child feeding every kid gets a shift on trash takeout

00:22:41.380 and then they can trade individual responsibilities yeah that's one way that i would find that that's

00:22:46.180 not market-based exactly that's still everybody is equally distributed responsibilities yeah but then

00:22:52.960 people are doing what they have more of an aptitude for i feel like there has to be there's an opt-in

00:22:56.860 element to that where yeah and the way that you can handle that if you allow the trading of

00:23:00.960 responsibilities you can have for the responsibilities people don't like i will do

00:23:04.720 one nighttime feeding in exchange for these five other responsibilities exactly and that's how it

00:23:12.040 works with most task trading like that if you help me get an a on this test i will like a biology test i

00:23:18.700 will do your math homework for the next five weeks or all two it's it's all about value and i do think

00:23:23.620 that giving people that is really important plus it teaches people how to negotiate and don't you want

00:23:28.500 children who know how to negotiate yes but i want to make sure that we do not create a culture where

00:23:33.740 you say something like feeding young children is off the table because you can't do it safely a

00:23:39.280 teenager should be able to do that safely oh no yeah yeah but overnight care for an infant 0.77

00:23:43.940 i think for teens and for kids sleep is really important really freaking important and i don't

00:23:52.600 believe in compromising but it's not as important as food is for babies i hear you but parents can get 0.99

00:23:59.880 their shit together and take care of their own things you are just such a terminator simone you are 1.00

00:24:06.500 so hard working that you couldn't even imagine not handling everything yourself which i really 0.99

00:24:12.660 appreciate many of the stories that i have heard of kids who really resented their parentification and

00:24:19.260 yes they were brainwashed into the woke mind virus or whatever but still the most common complaints

00:24:25.460 are oh then got to this point where my mom just got so sick and tired during each pregnancy that then 1.00

00:24:30.380 everything fell to me a lot of it like it comes down to not i was given responsibility that i resent

00:24:36.500 it was that my parents failed at being parents and i think that i resent the laziness of my parents

00:24:42.360 and i think exactly that you can't have a system of parentification and i think this is a really

00:24:46.920 important point if the kids don't see the parents going above and beyond this can't be like the

00:24:52.380 uncle in a series of unfortunate events on the back flip it we'll take it in the dining room at

00:24:59.960 eight o'clock and we'll expect absolute silence but we've never made dinner before it's already

00:25:05.800 seven thirty eight o'clock dinner is served pasta putinesca where's the roast beef roast beef

00:25:12.800 but you didn't tell us you wanted roast beef

00:25:16.520 where you have some parent who's just go do this go do that and they're not doing anything themselves

00:25:23.740 the parent needs to be doing double what indian indian individual kid is doing a triple 0.99

00:25:29.140 you know huge like many times over and if the parent isn't delivering in that way

00:25:33.760 then there's no merit to that system no i agree with that and i think that and i can definitely see

00:25:42.200 this like accidentally assigning to parents it was parentification what they actually mean is i just

00:25:48.380 didn't respect my parent because they didn't put in the work of other people and especially with

00:25:52.400 stay-at-home moms i can see a lot of people i know the number of stay-at-home moms who also have like 0.67

00:25:56.900 staff working in the house who are also relying on their kids for child care which i think is a

00:26:01.920 totally different system than the one that we implement and i should clarify for people because a lot

00:26:06.040 of people misunderstand our stance on at least our cultural stance i believe that diversity of

00:26:11.020 culture should try different things but they're like what's it do you promote daycare and it's no

00:26:14.980 we don't really promote daycare either we promote working from home in an environment where you can

00:26:20.800 either through sharing with neighbors or through different types of trades find ways to take care

00:26:25.880 of your kids within a cultural ecosystem of your family but both parents should always be working

00:26:32.520 because it is just i don't think economically feasible to elevate systems where one parent isn't

00:26:37.920 working in today's economy and so if you're going to be any sort of a like this is how you make

00:26:42.740 things work saying that's how you make things work is just comical for the majority of people

00:26:48.380 yeah i agree uh so yeah the role of actual biological parents is underrated in parentification

00:26:56.640 and i think that you're underestimating the world of child labor we need to send our kids to the

00:27:02.800 mines no i agree i agree that giving kids responsibility is crucial there's that famous

00:27:09.260 meme that minecraft shows that children crave the mines they crave to return to the mines they want

00:27:14.600 to return let them let them back yeah i mean i think that also like many kids enjoy it and they want

00:27:21.180 they want to take care of especially girls young girls really like taking care of other babies you can

00:27:27.560 see this in other cultures too where it's like just common practice for within a tribe for a young

00:27:33.060 girl to just carry around whatever new baby there is all day while the mother goes back to working or 1.00

00:27:37.800 doing whatever and they don't mind it they like it it gives them something to do so yeah i'm for it and

00:27:42.820 i'm not for letting anyone shirk responsibility however aptitude and optionality need to be a part of

00:27:50.380 this forcing anyone into especially consider our kids how anti-authoritarian our kids are there's no

00:27:56.480 way they would accept a system where someone's just you have to do this no compromising you know

00:28:01.660 what i mean yes but you want to build a system where they're not doing it because they're being told

00:28:06.680 or because of threats but because you've built a sense of moral responsibility in them

00:28:10.480 that's right anyway i love you we love you guys and we're so happy to be introducing you to

00:28:18.540 industry america's collins or indy if you want to hold her up for the camera uh shoot it anyway 1.00

00:28:24.760 i'm excited to have another kid and i'm excited to start working on more soon

00:28:29.320 love you

00:28:32.760 you

Based Camp - July 11, 2024

Parentification： Malcolm and Simone Debate How Much Responsibility Kids Should Have for Siblings

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