Phrenology is Back, Baby! AI is VERY Good at Making Predictions From Face Scans
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Phrenology was dismissed as quackery 160 years ago, but now AI can tell you who a criminal is just by looking at their face. Can you tell who they are a criminal from their facial expressions? Can you predict criminal behavior based on the shape of their nose and mouth? And can you tell a criminal based on facial features like sloping brows and cranial bumpage?
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hello simone today we are going to be doing a very spicy episode on and very very data
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data heavy episode on phrenology for people who don't know was the study of people's skull shape
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and whether it affected outcomes or intelligence or anything like that get out your calipers ladies
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and gentlemen this is gonna be fun she's the sloping brow and cranial bumpage of the career
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criminal uh sir phrenology was dismissed as quackery 160 years ago of course you'd say that
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you're the brain pan of a stagecoach tilter they used to put these big like clamps on your head
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to like measure and like certain like rich guys you'd go to their house and they'd like do this to
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you oh it was like a party trick yeah like you'd have everyone over and someone would get out the
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calipers and they'd be like yeah and they had like little models of of of heads that would show like
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the different you know here's what indicates one of our very wealthy friends is is into this these
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days as well getting back into phrenology yeah a little but apparently he's not wrong apparently
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well so phrenology does not appear to work to my knowledge i i can look more into it but that
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is not what this episode is on this episode is on just being able to tell a person's politics
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sexuality criminality any number of things from facial features can you actually like even even worse
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than phrenology because phrenology you needed the calipers you needed all that yeah what can you
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judge about a person just from looking at their face and how accurately can you judge it and if you
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are like well okay he's gonna point to some minor statistical differences not that big
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let's just go right into criminality right oh god okay the spiciest okay so there was a study in 2016
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called automated inference on criminality using face images it used a supervised machine learning
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for classification cnn's on 1856 chinese mail id photos 730 convicted criminals and 1126 non-criminals
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it claimed an 89.51 accuracy in determining criminals oh no that's around a nine that's that's 0.5 less
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than 0.5 away from a 90 accuracy rate at determining who's a criminal oh just from looking at their face
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that is probably more accurate than any other way you could determine a criminal in fact i bet court cases
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aren't even that accurate in determining criminals yes the mistake could be in the court case and not
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the machine so if you're wondering how how can you tell a criminal it identified structural facial features
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like narrow eye corner distance four percent norm difference higher lip curvature 23.4 so the more curvy the lips
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the more criminal yes and smaller nose mouth angle 19.6 as predictive which i find wild so and and note this
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isn't the the only paper to do this right so we also have predicting criminality from facial images this
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was a 2020 paper that was covered in wired that had to be redacted and was never published because
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everybody freaked the f out but it built software that based on facial recognition stuff that was a
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single image could was 80 accuracy depict the the criminality of an individual and you can be like
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okay well how good is an average person at this not using ai because obviously ai is going to be like
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superhumanly good at this the a paper titled the accuracy of inferences about criminality based on
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facial appearance in 2010 showed only a 53 probability so humans are a little better than
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half at this but ais are incredibly good at this and of course a bunch of people freaked the f out
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after this happened and i think we're going to see this like as we do ais on more of this stuff and
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we'll go into some other areas where humans are very good at determining things about people based on
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their face but i wanted to start with a criminality thing because like the phrenologist dream has come
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true in 2025 feels very much like the dream of the 90s came true in portland right like the dream of
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the phrenologist came true in 2025 with ai able to immediately determine just from looking at someone
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if they're a criminal but anyway so obviously progressives freak the f out when this happened
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right so there was a a paper the criminal the criminality from face illusion 2020 trends in cognitive
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sciences reviewed claims like the 2006 same study and found no valid evidence for predicting criminality
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from faces arguing that algorithms detected artifacts like smiling bias and data sets rather than innate
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traits criticized as pseudo silence reviving phrenology here's the problem okay first they claimed
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that it was the non-criminals who were smiling yet we actually know that the uplifted lips was the 23
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tied to criminality in the original data set which implied it was the criminalities who were doing this
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the the the worse is that imagine what they're saying here they're saying that from a facial expression
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was a 90 accuracy you can determine who's a criminal that's just as bad first of all but also stupid and
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obviously wrong right i can't determine and i don't think an ai could only boiling it down to facial
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expressions who's a criminal just from the facial expressions they're wearing that is significantly less
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plausible than me being able to determine it from facial features which are correlated with genetics which we
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know from polygenic scores correlate to criminality but most of this paper if you go over it is just
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whining about phrenology and racism and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah so obviously they are at a a
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freak out about this if any thoughts before we go further simone
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i feel like palantir must already be doing this as much as other people are freaking out i can't imagine
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a world in a world in which this is not being used yeah i i by the way love the progressive like pushback
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on this it's like it 90 accuracy it must have been looking at facially in the other paper 80 accuracy
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we don't want these in courts we imagine the freak out right you just you just put on our
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minority report in courts you walk into the court and it's like this is criminal non-criminal criminal
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non-criminal when the precogs declare a victim and a killer their name is embedded in the grain of wood
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i'm sure you all understand the legalistic drawback to pre-crime methodology let's not
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kid ourselves we are arresting individuals who have broken the law but they will you're talking
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about predetermination which happens all the time why'd you catch that because it was going to fall
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the fact that you prevent it from happening doesn't change the fact that it was going to happen
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yeah it's like walking it's it well i mean and yeah maybe the tsa will start using these just like
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well come on i want my minority report ai just just looks at people and then it'll be there's a show
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a psycho psychopaths psycho filter anime great anime
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our target's name is nobuo okura a street scanner flagged him during a hue check he was ordered by
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a security drone to receive therapy but he panicked and ran his recorded psychopaths was forest green
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so we can expect his aggression and compulsion to be high why would somebody choose to let their hue
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get so cloudy over receiving treatment there's a strong chance he's using incompatible narcotics
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and it's a world where they can determine criminality before it happens and the people
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who pass but who don't look like criminals but are still criminals their brains are harvested to
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create the giant ai network that can detect criminals very dystopian very cool this world without any
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murder like the guns that the cops use like stun people but they can like turn into a second mode
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where they like get bigger when they do go lethal it's it's a good anime but i'm just saying you guys
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should check it out if you haven't seen the psycho filters anyway let's go to political affiliation
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or voting all right can you tell the way somebody's gonna vote by their face facial recognition
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technology can expose political orientation from naturalistic face images 2021 scientific reports
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algorithms predicted liberal versus conservative orientation was a 70 to 73 accuracy note this is
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before ai just algorithms outperforming humans who could only do it 55 percent and personality
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questionnaires they can only do it 66 percent and persisted after controlling for demographics 65 to 71
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so we are getting 70 to 73 accuracy from this system that outperforms even personality questionnaires
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that's crazy cues included head orientation and expressions liberals showed more surprise i love
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liberals are just more surprise dealing with scientists i wonder if this changes too like if we
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were to get a picture of me in my liberal phase and then a picture of me in my conservative phase like
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would my you were always secretly conservative from the moment i met you simone but when people change it
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political affiliation like genuinely do you think that they are you look like winsler's wife from like
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that old farm painting right like i think it's whistler's mother whistler's mother yeah you you look
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very naturally conservative i know you mean that is a a good thing but our audience will recognize it
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as the sick burn that it is right the whistler's like what a bird saying your wife i think my wife is a very
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beautiful and charming woman who has who has this just like or like the american gothic wife
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yeah yeah thanks okay shut your face shut your stupid face so this is not why i married you
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other people were saying life goals and are my little pony episode
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to to be able to have a wife who you talk for an hour with about my little pony lord
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trade-offs gentlemen unless you want your ai waifu in which case you'll just get everything
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so just except for children you know well you could have a line will die with you yeah i mean i guess
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we can wait for artificial looms but i think no no i mean artificial just have the ais act as
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children well we'll build all this for you we're building our fab.ai where we will have we're working on a sentient version of ai
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where it will have a persistent and separate memory from what you are interacting with that represents
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this consciousness and we can create children and stuff with that for you and your ai waifu
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what yeah give people an option absolutely okay we want to help the the week go into their sweet
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good night no longer a part of human civilization anyway predicting political elections from rapid and
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unreflective face judgments 2007 pnas rapid competence judgments from candidate faces predicted
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u.s election outcomes eg 68.6 gubernatorial 72.4 senate in 2006 100 ms exposure matched longer ones deliberate
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deliberation reduced accuracy versus quick judgments so basically flashing people pictures of politicians
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within their districts within their districts and being like what do you think had a a very high
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accuracy in predicting the outcome of those elections 72.4 for senate elections wow
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and this yeah this tracks with all the other research that involved asking people who you think
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looks most presidential and those people just happen to win very consistently yeah maybe maybe i mean it's it
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is it is wild which is why i should be do i look presidential to you simone i don't know but i'm
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thinking that we can genetically engineer children to look presidential if these characteristics are so
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simone are you and i going to create clone high i'll put the clone high intro here we're going to create
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clone high right well i mean the kennedys they tried right but the problem was they they couldn't really
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shape who their kids were genetically or behaviorally we can't welcome to create the perfect colin yes
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i love you you crazy woman everyone oh they're i was talking to her today and i find it very weird i was
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saying like of the sort of like darwinist focused on leaning into technology and improving like like this
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this tech forward version of of moral context you know we want to lean into technology as much as
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possible to improve humanity as much as possible and take to the stars one day there isn't any other
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mainstream influencer like and i'm not even like conservative influencer who has this perspective
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obviously elon exists but i don't consider his main job as being an influencer but outside of us i'm not
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sure of any of the major talking heads that have this really clear moral context which i've been a little
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surprised about actually because you know it's such a part of our pop culture and sort of the the cultural
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waters that we as humanity swim in that this is like a major faction and it is a major faction i mean
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i know many other people who secretly hold these beliefs but it's just not a major faction among talking
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heads yeah fair point weird i mean i think about like nuxinor asmigold leaflet like all the major
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conservative influencers who i like watch these and these are the ones who are like are sorting for
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me watching them they don't hold this perspective at all true yeah we're anyway income or social
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status can you tell that just by looking at somebody is there a rich face and a poor face no
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the visibility of social class from facial cues 2017 journal of personality and social psychology
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perceivers accurately categorize social class high versus low income from neutral faces this is with no
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expression above chance accuracies are 52 to 64 across studies even with rapid exposure positive
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effect in median adjustments with rich faces rated higher for employability
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perpetuating inequality smiles obscured cues oh interesting okay okay so smile smile more people
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smile especially our female viewers i i want this on the record i'm telling you to trigger
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smile more yes yeah i don't understand how that became like a negative thing like you were saying
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your mom saw that as my mom yeah it was like a big thing for her that she had a job when they asked
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her to smile the nerve to smile if you're in a publicly facing job she's a receptionist too i mean
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like of course she has a smile as a receptionist jesus scowl and everyone is like what is what is
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anyway women smiling don't tell it's like it i feel like it's a version of telling women to calm down
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like we're not allowed to say certain things although let's be honest i don't when has telling
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anyone to calm down ever actually worked i'm yeah i'm gonna be honest here you know people get mad at
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us because we do corporal punishment with our kids what i want to know is why i can't spank a
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receptionist anymore anymore if he doesn't smile enough you know this is this is when society fell
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off anyway okay so right here am i gonna give them so much trouble well no one spanked they just they
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just grabbed their asses that was punishment no i think there was spanking in offices back in the day
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no you you spank men you squeeze women's asses no simone this is a common saying from husbands to
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wives with spanking yeah but not receptionist you squeeze a receptionist ass and that like in the
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office you spank a man i don't think so little little you know a little football little just a little
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you know what i'm talking about if a guy actually did one of those football spanks today like everyone
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would turn to them and be like what the like actually we should have mentioned that in our
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depravity of the 1950s episode that's actually pretty messed up like yeah or or the guys would
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whip other naked men with towels in the restroom yeah that hurts in like the you know the men's
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locker because these are locker rooms we need towels are wet it's it's it's a wet towel whip is
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that that that could break skin that's that that is bdsm stuff it was a normal you could just subject
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any other man to that walking around the our ancestors were truly debauched people yeah they
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were but come on so fun so fun inconsistent facial cues to social class across two different western
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contexts 2025 assertiveness and positivity consistently cued higher with higher social classes in canada
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and this is in photos and iceland mediating actual perceived class links eg attractiveness
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accuracy varied by context so basically yeah attractiveness attractiveness and and positive
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facial expressions are how you tell somebody's rich that tracks well it does to a certain extent
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extent cost money to do both right because if you if you have a miserable job if you don't have
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enough time to sleep or eat well or take care of yourself all these things affect both your facial
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expression mood and how attractive you look so yeah that makes sense that's depressing do you want
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to do gay versus straight we're going to get in trouble with this one of course we are data are real
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can you tell somebody's gay from their face yeah about the voice ones but can you tell from face
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so deep neural networks so this is like proto ai from 2018 right deep neural networks are more accurate
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than humans at detecting sexual orientation and facial images deep neural networks predicted sexual
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orientation from dating profile was an 81 accuracy for men it has 74 for women whereas humans are only 61
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for men and 54 for women facial morphology nose and jaw and grooming cues contributed suggesting
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prenatal prenatal hormonal influences ig these people are phenotypically different it is biology that's
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causing this yeah that's on its own is super interesting yeah set 81 and 71 81 for men it's wild
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the replication study machine learning models are capable of predicting sexual orientation for facial images
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so somebody did a 2019 replication study and what they found was 68 for men and 77 for women
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with humans at 56 and 58 percent wow respectively so yeah we're we're consistently i i find it interesting
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that that one had such good luck with women 77 for women yeah especially because women are less
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less at least i don't know for my view i figure women aren't really that oriented along gendered lines but
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this kind of implies that they are more than i thought yeah you want to do aggression levels can you tell
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with your your caliper of ai how aggressive somebody is oh my god we should put my face into an ai and
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ask it what it thinks my personality is i will that's after hearing all this i want an ai that does
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all of them like all how how wealthy oh that's a good product a lot of people would pay for that
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right like tell me everything about this person like how likely are they to be a criminal
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to be wealthy to be gay versus straight to make a lot of money to be aggressive like
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like basically stereotypes are good and you can tell a lot about a person just by looking at them
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yeah but well no not not you ai people are not that good at this like a lot of the studies you
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referred to like yeah 60 for for people it was 80 90 percent yeah 50 yeah i know you don't trust
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people apparently people actually kind of suck at this which makes sense because there's all this
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stuff about criminal profiling by just looking at faces and make micro expressions but no no no i want to
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profilers catch lots of criminals they do i know but like not as well as ai i want an ai that tells
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me all this stuff and then i want to run everyone our kid dates through this and then i also like oh my
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gosh when we do matchmaking if we create just like profiles for all the children in our networks and
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it's like well according to the ai analysis of my child yeah we're not even going to do the genetic
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stuff we're just going to be like face faces is how we're oh we can do apologetic scores too we'll
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just do like the full thing you know you get everyone thinks that we're brother and sister so
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we must have very compatible faces yeah or we get constantly called that on like when people get mad at
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us online the other one is that we're a lesbian couple so sweet so sweet whatever you know show
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show your true colors buddy you gotta attack somebody who's the looks yeah we'll outbreed
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you so you go do your thing yeah i i have every time i click through to the profile of someone
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that criticizes to us i'm just immediately like oh are they a fat cat woman well or they're a coward
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and they have a completely hidden private profile and yeah yeah that's uh-huh wow
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ooh you're so proud of yourself put your money where your mouse is buddy yeah okay men's facial
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width to height ratio predicts aggression a meta-analysis facial width so if they have a wide face
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sorry metal analysis of existing studies found that a small but significant positive correlation
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are 0.11 between men's facial width to height ratio and aggression robust across measures but
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stronger in a lab setting and in the field so basically having a further face makes you more
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aggressive wait so having a like narrow tall face is more aggressive or having a wide short face is more
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aggressive i don't know wait the width divided by the height so it'd be a positive correlation
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if the width increased and the height did not crease so it's a short fat face is more aggressive
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which is what i associate with that totally makes sense even if you look at cartoon stereotypes
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of the like meathead bully strongman they got that round short face that's crazy that's crazy
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that's crazy yeah okay next in your face facial metrics predicted aggressive behavior in the laboratory
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and in varsity and professional hockey players 2008 proceedings from the royal society
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men's w h w wait f w h r was larger than women's and predicted reactive aggression in lab tests 15
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percent variance explained for men and aggressive behavior via penalty minutes being more harsh 29
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percent variance and professional hockey players nine percent variance but this 2008 stuff really
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doesn't matter to me because they didn't have ai at that point yeah let's look at big five personality
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traits hmm what hmm okay tell somebody's entire personality from looking at their face
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we really need somebody to train ai on all this you're absolutely right i want this
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assessing the big five personality traits using real life static facial images 2020 a cascade of
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artificial networks trained on self-reported big five personality scores was statistically significant
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for both sexes exceeding prior studies using selfies the mean correlation observed and predicted scores
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was 0.243 with the highest for congenitiousness 0.36 for men and 0.335 for women so basically
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you can get an ai really good at this the effect of facial features on first impressions and
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personality 2014 several self-reported big five personality traits including extroversion were
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readable and above chance from neutral faces and facial features influencing the first impression that
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correlated with personality however prediction models could not reliably infer personality from facial features
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on or first impressions though first impressions were inferable from features interesting people
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assess faces similarly on average so people have the same first impression of you on average whatever
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you do just based on what you look like looks matter it's just so rough so what are your thought
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phrenology is right are you not because i remember when our friend was into phrenology and you acted like
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he was a fool well and i think there's there's additional research that people have linked to
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that i haven't looked deeply at that are like yeah bigger heads more intelligence
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oh and that's true my head is giant by the way my head is all of our kids are in the top one percent though
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yeah well that's because my mom had a giant head your mom had a giant head
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yeah so i'm just glad my head's so small compact little brain i can only fit so many tiny thoughts
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in my head at one time and it's a lot less stressful i'm sure it gets real tough for you
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having well you are a big thoughts in there yeah yeah it's i love my ignorance is bliss they say
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i don't mean to burden you with all these ideas simone it's okay they go in one ear and out the other
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as you know right over my head i know i just i think this needs to be a product this totally
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needs to be a product i want it i will pay for it it honestly to me i would use it i would use it
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more than background checks like all those investors who did these personality tests
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like one you can oh my god yeah earning potential if i could just look and be like
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who's gonna be a successful entrepreneur mm-hmm yeah yeah it's like you have the face of a winner
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but then people would start getting cosmetic surgery i think to uh look like they have
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yeah i have good genes like marry me i'm so sexy and like i think haven't there been men who've sued
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their wives when they discovered that like what they used to look like an urban legend i don't know
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maybe it's true it might be i could see someone getting really pissed because i think a lot of people do
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you select partners expecting to have attractive kids but that's why you got to look at the mother
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of the girl you're dating or like the father of the that's what i was always told is look at the
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mother to see what she'll look like when she's older yeah because that is man it's underrated and
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i mean especially they have a lot of siblings and you can see like i hear some variation so it's pretty
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good yeah yeah i i like this i like this also because one of the toughest lessons that you taught
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me when we first started dating was that people will not judge me based on my merit and actions but
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rather by how i look and i said no that's not true you're completely wrong malcolm and you said okay well
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just try me okay dress more professionally for once and i did and suddenly i got a promotion and i
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was treated completely differently and i was invited to speak at places and yes i am a genius
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saying the obvious things that society hides from you that was rough i mean it does suck that society's
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like no it's it's what's on the inside that counts you go girl you're beautiful i think a lot of people
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argue that that's actually mate blocking behavior from yeah i've heard that too yeah it's like yeah
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you're good girl like trying to they're like hey girl you look great at that weight yeah great
00:29:26.800
you're beautiful the way you are he's wrong not you yeah yeah yeah i hmm but this also really it's it's
00:29:42.320
it implies that there could also be like let's say that there are fundamental christian communities
00:29:48.320
that are deathly afraid of having gay or lesbian children this does imply that there could be some
00:29:56.000
kind of medicinal regimen that you can go on as a parent to like significantly reduce the odds well
00:30:02.400
no what it implies is you can just face scan them as babies and then expose it's too late there's too
00:30:08.320
late no you got to do it in utero but i i do imagine that because there's all those theories
00:30:15.280
too about like the the the well not theories like the odds of a son being gay if he is born much later
00:30:22.560
in birth order are are much higher i mean you know yeah not like didn't like 10 times higher when it's
00:30:30.080
like point zero zero one percent it's still like a low odds or whatever the odds of being gay are not
00:30:34.400
zero zero one percent yeah it's actually yeah like non-trivial higher i imagine and like who were the
00:30:41.520
ones who have the large families actually and i actually knew a catholic family that had a ton of sons
00:30:48.080
and some of them how many how many were gay i don't know the exact count but like a bunch of the younger
00:30:58.960
ones yeah so but like just given that a lot of the people who are having high birth count are also a lot
00:31:06.080
of the people who are like i really don't want my kid to be gay i feel like there's a product opportunity
00:31:12.640
there like it's the the real version of pray the gay away except it's it's like supplement the gay
00:31:18.640
way like i could just and you could see you know like why sell the my pillow stuff when you could
00:31:23.520
sell anti-gay pregnancy pills not that i actually think that we could benefit from a gayer world like
00:31:29.760
i was actually thinking about like should we do an episode talking about you know especially with the
00:31:36.240
rise of surrogacy or artificial wombs and all these like you know cool reprotech solutions that are
00:31:42.160
going to come online soon what is the ideal futuristic gay space colony you know like because
00:31:52.160
we need it oh god the fire island of space with our fan you are literally a problem
00:32:01.200
i just think space should be gay i don't know what your problem is malcolm and also like i think the
00:32:07.920
future of humanity should and will be sexless when i say sexless i don't mean genderless i just mean
00:32:13.760
i think sex is like a gross thing we do because our ancestors needed to do it to share genes
00:32:19.440
i mean it is it is yeah yeah i wonder if it's going to be seen as a bodily function akin to like pooping
00:32:26.800
and if you don't have it i know i think i think 500 years 600 years from now if people go the route of
00:32:34.240
genetic modification and you know artificial wombs and stuff like that being like i had sex with my
00:32:39.360
wife this will be like akin to saying today like well my wife and i have like a poo fetish so i
00:32:43.520
pooed on my wife like you know it'll be like why would you do that sounds disgusting that's that you
00:32:48.960
pee from there what are you doing i could totally see that yeah no i think i think a lot of people i
00:32:55.520
think already actually we've reached the point at which a lot of people are extremely
00:32:59.920
disgusted by sex which is probably one of the reasons why we're seeing less of it i also think
00:33:06.240
that i was i realized you know we keep talking about this this techno feudal future but it occurred
00:33:12.720
to me after i read this new york times article about the rationalist community that was on the
00:33:16.240
front page of the new york times today yeah there's like a picture of light haven on the front of it
00:33:21.040
lighting even we've spoken there yeah i mean that's where manifest has been yeah and yeah it
00:33:27.440
sort of frames light haven is like this epicenter church of the rationalist movement and it largely
00:33:32.880
frames eliezer yudkowski is like the jesus figure or like god figure of it where they do like weekly
00:33:41.360
readings of the sequences and that you know he made this and that possible and he also wrote harry
00:33:47.680
potter retarded for people who don't know like the article would trigger you so freaking bad because
00:33:53.520
it's like rationalism invented by eliezer yudkowski made possible by eliezer yudkowski eliezer yudkowski's
00:34:01.280
offices in light haven eliezer yudkowski making google deep mind possible by introducing the founders to
00:34:07.120
peter thiel all these things but it occurred to me that i feel like so many movements really only exist
00:34:14.160
because there is a wealthy financial backer like all these these conservative movements
00:34:20.480
exist because they were you know backed by the coke brothers and whatnot and then you know like
00:34:25.280
jan tollen and a bunch of other very influential tech investors really shaping how the ea and rationalist
00:34:34.080
community evolved as well um and and we act as though these things have organically grown when really
00:34:40.400
the only reason they exist is because there are these techno feudal wealthy benefactors that make
00:34:48.000
them exist like would the heritage foundation exist if it weren't for like some very specific
00:34:52.560
no absolutely true well and this is what's interesting about our movement is we don't have that
00:34:56.480
yeah yeah i mean it yeah we we don't well jan tollen did make the biggest donation of anyone to the
00:35:04.080
private and it's it but it's it's it's tawdry compared to what all these other groups are getting
00:35:09.120
that's true yeah i mean yeah they're yeah i mean not to say that the 500 000 donation that we received
00:35:14.320
wasn't game-changing for the foundation we didn't take salaries or anything from it we only used it
00:35:18.480
toward the cause but yeah i just i realized like wow like so many of these big policy movements that we
00:35:24.880
have and cultural movements that we have aren't grassroots i mean they may have had grassroots origins
00:35:33.440
but the only reason they went anywhere was because someone with money gave them fuel
00:35:39.760
and it was kind of sobering because i was like i keep thinking about techno feudalism as something
00:35:44.480
that's going to happen in the future when maybe it's only something that's going to become much more
00:35:50.560
obvious in the future and and also like more fragmented and large scale in the future as well so yeah
00:35:57.920
still though i'm excited someone please build this so we can use it this this face scanner please oh
00:36:07.280
is that going to have to be our next major project building the face scanner can we do it like yeah i
00:36:13.360
guess i mean we can do anything it would be difficult it's not within my proficiencies or as easy as any of
00:36:18.720
the other technical projects i've taken on probably not because i mean like all of them are using probably
00:36:22.800
the same thing i mean what they're doing is that that typical mapping of looking at distances and measurements
00:36:27.920
and you're just turning each face into a series of raw data points and then you just can apply
00:36:34.160
kind of how nebula genomics takes your genome and then they just apply your oh my god it'd be so
00:36:40.720
cool in the future we have like augmented reality and when you see somebody's face it does a face scan
00:36:44.960
and like their personality yeah you're like you so you're wearing your ray bands who is it would be
00:36:49.440
like so in the new deus ex games they have it so like it tells you like the person's emotions and how
00:36:54.640
likely they are to respond to certain things and like that's basically what it would do oh my god
00:36:59.360
functional yes no 100 yeah just it's like somebody wants to partner with us on this business you let
00:37:04.720
us know we'll work with you okay morning high aggression oh my gosh i would yeah i would i would
00:37:11.440
probably buy ar glasses if and i'm i bet there will be like an app landscape for the various ar
00:37:19.360
glasses that are coming online it was just people would be so bad if you have like a face that looks
00:37:25.920
like a rapist face because you are one and it's like every girl you look at is like 98 percent
00:37:32.400
rapist yeah you mean because you aren't one oh well i mean i think the person probably is one but
00:37:39.200
um you know oh my god also are you really want to have the whole world no
00:37:48.240
gosh that is really gonna mess things up because this will happen like if the data is out there
00:37:54.160
people will develop it and then people will make hiring decisions and social decisions based on i mean
00:38:00.800
i'm sure governments you know people in democratic societies will create legislation that blocks this
00:38:06.880
from being used in hiring and in government and in law enforcement but that is not going to stop
00:38:13.440
private individuals from using this you prevent it from hiring but of course the hr manager has their
00:38:19.280
you know yeah just personally they're just wearing their goggles with the apple branded goggles
00:38:25.520
for knowing who's the the the the grapist yeah and we should partner with cutler and gross who makes
00:38:32.800
these glasses they also made the glass like the glasses frames from the kingsman movie and those
00:38:38.800
glasses were ar glasses weren't they oh yeah they were yeah and i mean it works because they're really
00:38:44.800
chunky so we should just partner we should reach out to them be like hey guys all right love you to
00:38:49.920
death simone what are we doing for dinner tonight if you really want we can try to squeeze in another
00:38:54.080
episode no i know you want you want to get out of here it's fine i know i just we have so many
00:39:01.360
backlog episodes to process it's okay as long as we get seven days a week patreon subscribers get get more
00:39:18.320
so i can do teriyaki chicken with rice if you'd like oh that sounds great yeah oh you know what'd be
00:39:25.040
good tonight honestly mac and cheese you feeling the the cheese you got the cheesies
00:39:32.160
or pesto we've got pesto let's do pesto do you want macaroni and cheese with pesto
00:39:38.320
a little bit of cheese with the pesto is always good
00:39:42.000
well would you just prefer we should probably just do pesto yeah do pesto throw in a bit of mac and cheese
00:39:48.400
okay well either i'm making mac and cheese for the kids and no okay you've done it before you've
00:39:56.320
thrown in a bit of the mac and cheese into the pesto and it was really good okay so you want me to do
00:40:01.200
that for you okay so i think i'm just gonna do plain noodles for the kids because that way i can
00:40:06.160
make mac and cheese for them tomorrow night okay i have a plan are we are you gonna take them out
00:40:11.680
in the boat should i charge the batteries so much fucking sorry i've got all these backlog episodes to
00:40:16.960
do you know so that means sitting down there and listening to episodes and going through and editing them
00:40:23.520
you guys don't know how long it takes to produce one of these episodes it is enormously time intensive
00:40:30.400
because you don't just have the recording period and the research period to begin with but then you've
00:40:34.480
got me going through it and editing the entire thing watching the entire thing very slowly adding
00:40:39.280
clips not everyone is as conscientious as you are just yeah other other producers no and i watch
00:40:45.360
other producers and they just waste their users time you know and like whatever i try to be you know
00:40:50.880
engaging throughout i appreciate that your dedication to the craft okay well then yeah i guess that's
00:40:59.440
why i'm confident that this will work out for us because i watch other people and i'm like
00:41:07.360
when i also there are other people who do invest a lot in editing who have grown a ton like who
00:41:13.680
actually take it seriously so like caleb hammer he puts so much work into his episodes and he's put so
00:41:21.360
much work into all of his like value added money making services and membership extras too so i'm like
00:41:29.680
okay maximum effort pays off for youtubers at least some and then some are just lucky and then some are
00:41:37.600
just kid influencers who get 85 million views on videos of them playing with army men
00:41:46.400
all right i'm gonna go downstairs and make dinner i love you very much i love you very much and i'm
00:41:54.000
so excited for the life i spent with you and tomorrow is saturday yeah so i will get two episodes to you
00:42:02.320
for the patreon viewers and and sub stack subscribers of course and thank you for making sure those go live
00:42:10.400
welcome i'm excited bye i was thinking about how you and i just kind of have this going assumption
00:42:27.520
that we're going to die at any moment and our kids do too they have all sorts of plans about what they're
00:42:33.520
going to do after we're dead oh yeah well i mean i'm so excited that we're almost 50 000 subscribers
00:42:38.960
our son octavian obviously wants 100 000 so we can get the plaque because he then wants us to die
00:42:46.000
so he can take care of it for us he is really he just wants to get his hands on that plaque
00:42:52.560
that placard a little no no yeah he said well when you die i'll take care of the youtube plaque for you
00:42:59.920
and he was very excited about this and i can understand why you know if we can get
00:43:04.880
you know before he gets to middle school let's get to a hundred thousand if we can get to a hundred
00:43:10.240
thousand a kid in middle school was a youtube plaque parents
00:43:21.280
i don't know i don't know i mean eight passengers kids thought it was terrible having parents having a
00:43:29.440
mom that was on youtube so who knows i don't know i just i think i think maybe he'll make it to like
00:43:36.480
crazy youtube status before we do because when i look at kid content on youtube and i look at their
00:43:42.480
views like i look at top tier youtuber views and it's you know three million a video four million a
00:43:48.880
video 1.3 million per video then i look at the videos that our kids watch created by kid fluencers
00:43:55.120
87 million just it's like clown world views i can't wrap my head around it he'll be he'll be the
00:44:05.520
money maker of our family he'll make he'll make the videos for the little ones that just will run on
00:44:10.160
repeat yeah okay so question simone um episode today how did you do the my little pony episode
00:44:17.440
i i didn't look at comments yet the comments yeah i'm sorry well we had the interview somebody's
00:44:22.880
making like a broadway play on us and that'll be fun on fertility broadly
00:44:31.120
she seemed interested she was like wait are you guys under any
00:44:33.920
things i need to do more with you guys like in terms of who you're allowed to talk to oh my god
00:44:39.760
we have to go to this somebody's gonna be playing me on broadway talking that would be fun yes this
00:44:46.400
would be your first experience of who is cast as malcolm collins yes oh my god are they gonna make
00:44:54.160
it somebody who looks evil oh i hope so i hope i get a mustache that i can twirl people who don't
00:45:00.080
know by the way i don't naturally grow facial hair his family doesn't yeah thank you i'm not a facial hair
00:45:06.400
person i can't yeah i'm lucky right i actually get a smooth face thank god he believes this a guy was
00:45:13.440
like a i mean not perfectly like my dad i think if i get older it may get a bit coarser because my dad
00:45:20.960
puberty hits your family at like age 55 yeah no i i think it might be because he just doesn't shave
00:45:28.480
enough is is why that happens but yeah i it's it's it's i've always been very annoyed by like the you
00:45:35.360
know no shave november or whatever i'm like but nothing would happen and everyone else in the
00:45:40.880
office is doing it and they're like malcolm why aren't you being a bro why aren't you doing it
00:45:44.320
and i'm like i don't grow facial hair best trait by like honestly i could have rolled like genetics
00:45:52.480
and and you're like okay grow facial hair or not do you would all feel bad that you don't i'm like no
00:45:57.200
oh this is awesome so very very lucky about that particular genetic role yeah i i think it's
00:46:06.000
absolutely fantastic so don't change not that you can don't don't get genetically modified to shift this
00:46:13.840
no i know i'll have our kids genetically modified to make it even less i mean
00:46:19.360
yeah hmm i i'd prefer if i had literally none at all like i i just hate i think it's it's it's
00:46:25.920
it's gross and uncouth oh and i'm sure once adults can get genetically modified to eliminate hair in
00:46:33.040
like on legs on armpits oh yeah that'll be people will go in right away that that is a form of
00:46:41.280
cosmetic procedure i would totally get if you could just stop growing something imagine removing like
00:46:47.760
armpit sweat like instead of having botox yeah just genetically removing i mean i don't know maybe we
00:46:55.760
actually need it sometimes probably not though i i i think we did in a historic situation but i
00:47:03.440
don't know if we do i mean you might end up getting like a rash or something from things rubbing like
00:47:09.200
i remember reading a sci-fi book where a character had been genetically engineered i think maybe is like
00:47:16.080
a sex bot kind of human and she had really small pores but then she overheated like a lot it was it
00:47:24.720
was a big problem and i i don't know i could see that being some new form of female malady like women
00:47:30.960
just choosing to get really small pores because who wants pores but then at the same time like oh right
00:47:38.960
there's a process yes yeah we these were evolved for a reason speaking of porousness by the way a
00:47:46.560
material that some people still argue is better than gore text for serving as a a breathable waterproof
00:47:52.720
material because the problem with most waterproof materials people have used in the past to like
00:47:56.960
stay dry in cold environments or in wet environments is that if you sweat then you could get hypothermia
00:48:06.400
because you're wet inside your clothing like it has you have to evaporate away the moisture that you
00:48:12.320
sweat out when you are moving around in the cold environment and you know what they used like what some
00:48:18.720
inuit peoples used as the proto version of gore text i don't know seal fur or something no no seal and whale
00:48:32.800
oh goodness yeah they just sewed them together in a way that made them like the the the seams waterproof
00:48:39.200
which is super impressive and it took a long time to do this to make and you can see pictures they
00:48:44.000
they they look like they look like what they are they look like someone sewed together intestines and
00:48:50.880
is now wearing them wait okay seal no look whale intestine inuit raincoat let's see yep looks like
00:48:59.760
exactly what you think it would look like yeah that does look exactly what i think it would look like
00:49:04.720
it's a whale intestine raincoat yeah but it also looks like oddly in the way it's kind of puffy and and
00:49:12.400
and sort of drawn together it looks oddly modern yeah it does look oddly modern yeah it's just like
00:49:18.800
like as if there was some gross like skin color trend because it's kind of this this disagreeable
00:49:26.560
shriveled pale kind of like the color of my skin it's that it just i love that you think so little of
00:49:34.560
yourself all right i'll get started let's do it let's do it we're only going to do one today okay
00:49:38.560
oh wait we got started late okay okay and i've got a lot of backlog you give me extra episodes
00:49:45.920
those extra things for process i know but we're trying to shift to seven days a week two for patreon
00:49:50.640
members every week you punish me what have i done to deserve this but yes you've been too fun to talk
00:49:59.040
to malcolm i just want to keep it going honestly oh my gosh is this the hospital
00:50:09.840
you're climbing on top of the entrance that's called running triage you're the triage man
00:50:19.120
why are you why are you standing on the entrance do you think that's safe
00:50:26.480
i'm just looking if there is titan okay or not titan's a doctor she's waiting for you to fall
00:50:37.280
off and get hurt so she can make you all better right titan why
00:50:42.320
is that what do you want to be the patient or do we need a stuffed animal to be the patient