Planned Parenthood is So Far Right Even Republicans Shouldn’t Support It
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In this episode, Simone and I talk about Planned Parenthood, the abortion giant, and the organization that provides birth control to millions of Black women. We talk about the organization's history, its impact on Black people, and why it should be your go-to place for birth control.
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and we should probably go into that. Well, its original mission was to genetically cleanse the
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United States of Black people. In 1939, Singer began the Negro Project. The mission of the
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Negro Project was to put Black doctors and nurses in charge of birth control clinics
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to reduce the mistrust that Black individuals had about getting sterilized. So 80% of Planned
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Parenthood's abortion facilities are located in minority communities, even still. Yeah,
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the one that I used to go to was, yeah. And if you look right now, abortion through Planned
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Parenthood has reduced the Black population in America by 25% since abortion was legalized.
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They've received $1.78 billion in taxpayer money between 2019 and 2022. Well, you know, I think a
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lot of the people making these donations, I think they receive a lot of small grassroots donations
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as well, believe what I believed. Remember, I grew up in these progressive communities. I attended
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Planned Parenthood. My mother worked at a Planned Parenthood that, you know, I've come from,
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I come from a long line of Planned Parenthood supporters. And we just thought that they were
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there to support women, just to help women plan families. Right now, the Democratic National
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Convention is taking place and Planned Parenthood is present offering abortion pills and vasectomies.
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No, no, no, not just offering, offering for free. I want like afterwards, a thing where like
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there's two Planned Parenthood guys, like driving up from the DNC, pull off their masks.
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And it's like, it's like really Republican superheroes. Like, look, I can't, I know they
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turn to each other. I cannot believe that just worked. We just drove up to the DNC with a
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sterilization van. It said, free sterilization. And they marched their youth out there. Bang,
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Spayed and neutered. Would you like to know more?
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Hello, Simone. Today, we are going to be talking about an organization that I imagine your perspective
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on has changed pretty dramatically over your political evolution. And that organization
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is Planned Parenthood. And I remember the moment where like you and I had like the biggest realization
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personally around Planned Parenthood was when we were trying to get pregnant.
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You were really struggling with it. I, it was, it was hard, you know, it was like, oh my God,
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how are we going to make this happen? Right. And so you coming out of Prague culture, you're like,
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oh, who helps people get pregnant? Planned Parenthood, right?
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Yeah. They're all about, you know, when you're going to have kids, when you're not going to have kids,
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you know, and so we're going to go to Planned Parenthood and they're going to have like services
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that will help me get pregnant, right? Yeah. Yeah.
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What'd they tell you when you went to them with this?
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We don't do that. Yeah. They, they told me they don't do that. They, they only really do
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the, they're a unidirectional pipeline. And this even was something that was echoed in a recent
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free press article on Planned Parenthood being the largest provider of testosterone in the United
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States to trans female to male individuals. Before we, before we go further with this,
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I want to read a little quote here. So people understand how big it is.
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It's mind blowing. Here's a quote. Planned Parenthood has in less than a decade become
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the country's leading provider of gender transition hormones for young adults.
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According to insurance claim data in 2015, around two dozen of their clinics began offering this
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service. Now it's available at nearly 450 locations. Insurance claim information provided to the free
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press by the Manhattan Institute shows that there are at least 40,000 patients who went to Planned
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Parenthood for this purpose last year alone, a number that has risen 10 fold since 2017 and is
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continuing to rise. The largest portion, about 40% were 18 to 22 year olds. So when people are like
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Planned Parenthood is like a small player in this stuff, or not a lot is happening here,
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just Planned Parenthood does 40,000 gender transitions a year of young, young people, 18 to 22 year olds.
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You know, this is horrifying, horrifying. Well, what's also really horrifying is, as is pointed
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out at the end of this article, when one of the women being interviewed for this article who did get
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assistance in transitioning from Planned Parenthood decided that it was actually really bad for her
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and she wanted to go back to being female and consulted them on, okay, well, this isn't working
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out. Like the, the side effects, you know, the symptoms I would, you know, they were only warned
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about basically two symptoms or something. And in the two hour consultation she got before she was
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given testosterone to take, which was, you know, obviously profoundly impactful on her body and
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health. I think vaginal dryness and one other thing she was warned about, obviously tons more
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things happened. She wanted off. She went back to them and said, Hey, this was a lot more complicated
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than you said it was going to be. What do I do? They're like, we don't have a protocol for that.
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I don't know. Planned Parenthood is kind of a lie. Yeah. They do the abortions and they do the
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birth control, but they don't do the family planning when you actually want to have kids.
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They do the transitioning out of your birth gender, but they don't help you detransition. And that's,
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that's where it becomes an inherently and deeply flawed organization. Because if it did what I thought
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growing up as a normal progressive did, which is aid people with the reproductive health and general
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women's health, that's fantastic. And sometimes that involves quite frequently that involves birth
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control. Absolutely. They helped me, for example, when I was, when I was an adolescent, choose which
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birth control was going to be most effective also with acne. I loved that. That was so cool, but it was
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birth control. Right. You know, it wasn't like if there were instead a fertility boosting drug that
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would also help me with my acne, I doubt that they would have been the ones to help me out,
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if you know what I mean. And so I mistakenly thought that they were there for general women's
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health and for my wellbeing when instead they are a unidirectional sterilizing organization.
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Because of course, what does testosterone do as well? Yeah. Sterilizes women. Yeah. What do the
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puberty blockers do? They sterilize people. And I should note here, Planned Parenthood allows people
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to get on a gender transition pathway at 18 without parental consent. That's why they see the big
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flood of people at 18. Well, because in the United States, that is when you reach adulthood and you
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don't need, you're no longer under the care of a guardian. Do you remember how young 18 was? Do you
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remember like 18, I believe where I was in the U S that was when you could start smoking. I was like
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not a fully thinking into. Well, you're not fully myelinated until your mid twenties or so. Right.
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No, but I mean the things that mattered to me at that age on my day to day basis. Oh, kid things.
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Yeah. Gain. Predominantly about fitting in was my peer group. Yeah. And gaining social status was in
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my peer group and getting ready to get into college. That was it. Like I didn't have like a large
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world perspective. Oh yeah. You're a kid. That is a very dangerous age to be. Well, and it's
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wild too, but you can't drink alcohol, but you can fundamentally change your hormonal makeup in a
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way that's irreversible. Yeah. Interesting as well. Planned Parenthood does not have a minimum age that
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they start gender transitions. Right. They just give her consent for people under, right? One parent.
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And this is really dangerous when you consider the fact that, you know, kids are going through a divorce
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or something like that. And one parent can come in and then utilize that to gain control of the kid.
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But I'm not going to, you know, focus too much on the trans stuff in this episode because we do that
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in other episodes. I will note though, and this is something worth considering when you consider,
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okay, some people who aren't really trans get sort of picked up in the trans trawl, but like,
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it's not that bad. They can always just detransition or they can always just go off hormones or they can
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always just be like, is it really that bad to accidentally transition someone that, that is
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confused. Right. And we know now, you know, if you're looking at the 13 to 23 age range, nine out
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of 10, based on the study that was done, I believe in 2023 of people who are discontent with their gender
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and don't transition end up more than nine out of 10, end up completely content with their gender by
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the age of 2023. And we know now that people who adopt this trans identity, depending on the study
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you're looking at between 40 and 50% of them end up committing unaliving themselves. So it's not like
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a harmless thing to accidentally push someone into when you look at the rate of self-harm within the
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community. In fact, I don't think you would consider that like an effective treatment for anything else.
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If there was a psychological treatment where it had a 40% unaliving oneself rate during treatment,
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people would be like, Oh, we need to be exploring other options to this treatment. And the really
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sad thing is, and we'll do a full episode on this. There are other options. There was a great study
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done that shows that actually antipsychotics were extremely effective at lowering gender dysphoria,
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but you like socially were not allowed to consider and research wise were not allowed to consider
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options that don't include affirming a trans identity, even though we know that this option
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has this 40% unaliving oneself rate and the antipsychotics mechanism does not. But that would
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be, Oh, well, you know, it's like, um, anyway, we won't over-focus on this right now. What I wanted
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to focus on now is like the other issues was Planned Parenthood, because that's not the only issue.
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Right. So Planned Parenthood facilities have been accused of financial fraud with taxpayer dollars.
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Planned Parenthood affiliates applied for and received 80 million in coronavirus stimulus funds
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that they were ineligible for. They stole from the paycheck protection programs that were created
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to help small businesses survive the pandemic. So they were using the small business paycheck
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And they have had many lawsuits related to fraudulent Medicare payments. Uh, for example,
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in one lawsuit in Iowa, uh, from a former Planned Parenthood director who, uh, has evidence of the
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fraud, they were ordered to pay over a million dollars in restitution to Texas when found guilty
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of defrauding taxpayers and in California. A 2004 audit showed Planned Parenthood San Diego and
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Riverside counties received excess payments of various kinds of contraception for 5.2 million.
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And what's bizarre to me is that they would even need to commit Medicare fraud in the face of having
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received so many donations. First, when Trump came into office, that was a boon for them. In fact,
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the free press kind of cites that as one of the major points of their increased radicalization
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because they received a ton of more donations from people. And with all this additional support,
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they did a bunch of hiring and they tended to hire politically radical people. So there was kind
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of the nonprofit version of audience capture in this case, where sort of a Trump derangement
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syndrome subject audience gave them a lot of money. And then they had to sort of lean into that
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audience, which of course is getting them to where they are today, where the right now that the
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Democratic National Convention is taking place as we're recording this episode and Planned
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Parenthood is present, not offering t-shirts or pins, but birth control and abortion pills and
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No, no, no, not just offering, offering for free. I actually love the horror of this. When you go to
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the DNC National Convention, you can get a free vasectomy. I know, I know. It's insane from a van.
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Yeah, Tyler Bender was just doing a history on YouTube about the lobotomies, lobotomies,
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and how like the guy who popularized lobotomies would have these, you just fill theaters full
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of people who would watch him do like 15 lobotomies back to back on stage to normalize the procedure
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because he was so bullish on this. And this reminds me so much of that, of just like,
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bring out the abortion ban. Let's popularize the abortions. And it's also just sort of ironic at the
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same time, because there are like literal sterilization vans outside where all of the Democrats and
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progressives are like convening. What, what is going on here? I'm like, I'm sorry, did we order
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this to the, did we, like, I know we run the, but you know, we are Republicans. I almost, I almost
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wanted to turn out that a Republican ordered this. They're like, yeah, we, we, I can't believe that
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worked. I want like afterwards a thing where like, this would be a great sketch for like the Babylon B
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where there's two Planned Parenthood guys, like driving out from the DNC, pull off their masks.
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And it's like, it's like really Republican superheroes. Like, I can't, I know they turn
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to each other. I cannot believe that just worked. We just drove up to the DNC with a sterilization
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van, said free sterilization. And they marched their youth out there. Bang, bang, bang, bang.
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Spayed and neutered. Well, but here's the thing is, is that this is, it's coming across as part of the
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whole raw, raw, like putting, like throwing into the vibes funeral pyre of the democratic party right
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now. But it is also a fundraising push. They are there and they're present because they're saying
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Dobbs was terrible and you have to protect reproductive rights. We are the reproductive
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rights people. Come get your vasectomy and make sure you donate to us because we're the ones fighting
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for you. And I think it's really important just to be aware of, of the back to the private,
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feminist guide to governance, the incentives and how they're aligned here. The Planned Parenthood
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is now in a position where it is, it is very, it has been pulled very, very far from its original
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mission, which was dubious to start. And we should probably go into that.
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Well, its original mission was to genetically cleanse the United States of black people.
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Its original mission. Well, it was that and eugenics. It was, it was also like sterilized
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We can really quickly get to this. Well, yeah, I'll quickly get to this.
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I'm actually reading from a Planned Parenthood website right now. This is what Planned Parenthood
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Archival website or current website as published today.
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Current website as published today. It's in the about our history section.
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Sanger was so intent on her mission to advocate for birth control that she chose to align herself
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with ideas and organizations that were ableist and white supremacist. In 1929,
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she spoke to the woman's auxiliary of the Ku Klux Klan at a rally in New Jersey to promote birth
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control methods. Sanger endorsed the 1927 Buck v. Bell decision in which the U.S. Supreme Court
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ruled that states could forcibly sterilize people deemed quote unquote unfit without their consent
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and sometimes without their knowledge. The acceptance of this decision by Sanger and other
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thought leaders laid the foundation for tens of thousands of people to be sterilized
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against their will. As a result of these choices, the reproductive rights movement in many cases
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deepened racial injustices in the health care system. The field of modern gynecology was founded
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by J. Marin Sims, who in the 1800s repeatedly forcibly performed invasive experiments on enslaved
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black women without anesthesia. In 1939, Sanger began what was called the quote unquote Negro
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project alongside black leaders like W.E.B. Du Bois and De Bois.
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Sorry, can you? No, no, no. Go back to butchering it. I, you know, I love that.
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I don't like foreign language, especially French polluting my American lips.
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Imagine you had to kiss lips so they can speak in French.
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Okay. And Reverend Adam Clayton Powell and Mary McWesa, the mission of the Negro project
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was to put black doctors and nurses in charge of birth control clinics to reduce the mistrust that
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black individuals had about getting sterilized. And so this is an important thing to remember,
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I think, for many black individuals is that they can sometimes think that because the leaders of
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their communities are endorsing something, that that something is not fundamentally racist
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and antagonistic to their community's interests. Because there is this like bureaucratic,
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I call it like, I don't know, union boss class was in black culture that has for a long time
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worked with the racists in the Democratic Party. Historically, you know, that's the Klan,
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but you know, now it's like other groups in order to undermine the actual.
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Oh yeah. Isn't there like a, I wouldn't say not even a detente, but a kind of mutual understanding
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between a current white supremacist leader and the nation of Islam leader?
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Yeah, but that's different. I think that they, in that one instance, they actually are on the same
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side. These are people who are, you know, manipulating black communities into sterilizing
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themselves for the best interests of people who are trying to-
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Yeah, different groups versus groups that are in favor of apartheid, in which case they're like,
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Yeah, I'll look up for edit if Planned Parenthood does still disproportionately sterilize black
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communities, but I'm pretty sure they do in terms of abortions as well.
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Well, you know, with all this transitioning, I imagine it's a lot of white girls. So we're
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trying, they're trying to be a little more racially equal here.
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Oh, actually, no, hold on. It's actually pretty blatant. So 80% of Planned Parenthood's abortion
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facilities are located in minority communities, even still.
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abortion through Planned Parenthood has reduced the black population in America by 25% since
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Oh, Lord. That is, oh my gosh. Wait, so I think, what, 8% of the United States population
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is black right now, right? So it would be maybe closer to-
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Well, at least according to this. But whether it's 6% or 8%,
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You know the percent of American abortions that are black? 34%.
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And remember you were talking about money and everything like that. So in regards to how much
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Planned Parenthood gets from the federal government, they've received $1.78 billion in taxpayer money
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That makes sense because of Medicaid, because they're providing a lot of primary care adjacent
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services to people who are on Medicaid, because they're in these neighborhoods, these underserved
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neighborhoods. And so that makes a lot of sense.
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This is what I think we need to do if we get involved in a Trump administration. I want to
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create a plan that takes Planned Parenthood, says that they have not followed their mission as they
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I don't know. They think they kind of followed their eugenics mission.
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They didn't follow the mission that I believe they had when I was a kid.
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They are about, one, helping parents, right? Planned Parenthood is supposed to be about planning
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parenthood, right? And then even in addition to that, actually helping trans people. That means
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both people who want to transition and people who want to detransition at safe ages by the modern
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I say, we say, we agree with both of those things, but clearly the current board and leadership isn't
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doing a job. So what we need to do is either by executive order or by lawsuit, replace the existing
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Yeah. You know, people who want to have it fit this actual mission. And the reason I want to do this
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is I think so often conservatives end up relating to bureaucracies that get captured like this to be
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used for nefarious purposes by just retreating, backing out, starting something new that's not
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corrupted. And then when it becomes successful, it becomes corrupted. Why not just take over one of
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these existing organizations? And also just the feasing that would happen from the individuals who
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had made all these giant donations to them that now they're being used to help families and minority
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families. And they'd be like, no, I wanted them sterilized.
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Well, you know, I think a lot of the people making these donations, because I think they receive a lot
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of small grassroots donations as well, believe what I believed. Remember, I grew up in these
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progressive communities. I attended Planned Parenthood. My mother worked at a Planned Parenthood.
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You know, I've come from a long line of Planned Parenthood supporters. And we just thought that they were
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there to support women, just to help women plan families. My mom wanted to have a kid.
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Um, you know, ironically, I think one of the reasons why she was infertile, doctors had told her she
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couldn't have kids. And I was kind of a surprise was, I think, because of birth control that she had
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that had caused a lot of scar tissue in her fallopian tubes, birth control. I don't know.
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She hasn't gone into that. I don't know if it was like, abortion's gone wrong or something like that.
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But yeah, it had to do with her, some stuff that had happened. Yeah. So I don't know. But like,
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anyway, yeah, I just, I think most, most numerically of the people who donate to Planned
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Parenthood don't understand both its original origins and its current activities. And that's
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so boring. So when I think about what an ideal Planned Parenthood would be, though, I also have to
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think about modern pronatalism. And one of the big shifts that has happened with pronatalism or
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demographic collapse in general that we see is largely positive. And that is related to this
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is the fact that one of the key drivers of a drop in fertility is when women in nations that are
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developing, stop having unwanted teen pregnancies. We're seeing this happening really rapidly, for
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example, in Latin America. It's not that the intended number of children that women have is lower.
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It's that fewer unmarried teens who in many ways aren't ready financially or mentally to have
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children are not having children. And to a great extent, that's good. You know, we, as perinatalists,
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as people who love children, do not want children to be born to families who are not equipped or ready
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to take care of them, especially when these families are, are families that would love to have
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children and that want to have children and, and plan to have the same number and possibly even more
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children, you know, once they're well-resourced enough. So in my world, an ideal Planned Parenthood,
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yes, absolutely helps with birth control and emergency contraception and, and even abortions
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through, you know, week 10 to 12 or so, right? Like totally no questions asked. Absolutely. You know,
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you should only have a baby when you're really well, really, really welcome, ready to welcome someone
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into this world. And then after that, Planned Parenthood should be also a key deliverer of OBGYN care,
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of, of helping women through their pregnancies. It would be a great place for there to be IVF
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provided. Imagine, you know, when, when demographic collapse gets far along and honestly, it'd be
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better if the United States planned for this proactively and turned Planned Parenthood into
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a key source of government funded IVF, which includes PGTP, that is to say, pre-implantation genetic
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testing of embryos that allows families to prioritize embryos based on health scores, things like cancer risk,
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things like diabetes, enormous benefit for the U S healthcare. Yeah. Even, yeah. Even risk of things
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like obesity. Think about what the American healthcare system pays. No, people both pay
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privately for things like cancer treatment, you know, through the nose, the amount of medical debt
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that Americans are in right now is insane. Right. So that, that could be reduced. And, you know,
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we live in a socialist country. Like we were just alluding to in many other podcasts, people,
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a huge number of people living out or near the poverty line, you have most of their healthcare paid for
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by the U S government. And the U S government could save a ton of money by proactively investing
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in families, being able to select for genetically better rolls of the dice among their own genetics.
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So in a way, this is almost kind of true to the original eugenicist vision of Planned Parenthood of
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like, we want, we want healthy, you know, Americans to be born and we don't want-
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Instead of taking people out of the gene pool, you help uplift them into the general population.
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The best roll of the dice. Yeah. So it's not saying you don't get to roll. You're out of the game.
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It's saying, you know what, we're going to load the dice for you, you know, because you didn't have a
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good, your odds weren't great coming in and that's great. Imagine that world. So, okay. So we're
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switching from a Planned Parenthood that's systematically-
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But anyway, hold on, hold on. I, I, uh, I also think that like people forget
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how horrific Planned Parenthood got during its, its, its, you know, like-
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Yeah. When one in four pregnancies in the United States ended in an abortion where it was treated
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as like a regular part of, and this would have been around your mom's period, right? So she might
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have seen it this way as a regular form of birth control equivalent to other forms of birth control.
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It really shouldn't be seen that way. I mean, it should be treated with quite a lot of weight.
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See our abortion episode, which I don't know if it's gone live yet. I don't think it has.
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I mean, I think that as the Pernatalist movement grows, one of the things that we're going to have
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to become adept at doing, and I really want to focus on this as a movement because I
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haven't seen other movements do this well, which is using legal systems and government
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plays to take over institutions that were created or were being used for other means,
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but would work for a pronatalist means instead of-
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Yeah. No, Planned Parenthood would be an amazing deliverer of IVF care. Oh my gosh.
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But also still birth control abortions. Again, I'm not against that. And I want to point out
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that a world in which abortions were banned, where people did underground abortions,
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it was a horrific world. This was not... In the end, I care about if we have to kill babies,
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let us kill them with dignity and with pain management and in the way that you would euthanize
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any human very, very seriously and carefully, right? If you have a non-viable pregnancy.
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So what she's referring to here is if you get a surgery on the baby and you're like a normal
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mother and you're trying to keep the baby alive, after 12 weeks, they use anesthesia on the fetus
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because it would be considered inhumane not to. But when they do abortions after that,
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And of course, if you're doing an illegal abortion, there's not even anesthesia for the
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mother. It's just whatever goes. I mean, maybe it's well done, maybe it's not. So the thing is,
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I think we need to also kind of look at the government like parents look at kids, which is
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if you ban something outright, like you say, hey, never do drug or never drink alcohol,
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your kid's going to go out. You don't know where they're going to drink. You know, you don't know
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who they're going to drink with. It could go pretty bad. If you're more open about that stuff
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and you're like, yeah, listen, you want a glass of wine, have a glass of wine, whatever. Like,
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try it here. You're able to do it in a more safe environment where there's less damage done.
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But the point I'm making is it's not just Planned Parenthood. In most countries,
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there is some sort of family planning organization, like within the US government. Like if you wanted to
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create a pronatalist branch of the US government, there is already a department for family planning.
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Yeah. And it is, it would just make a natural sense.
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Not just the infrastructure, but the slush funds have already been created.
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So taking control of that infrastructure and taking control of those slush funds are absolutely
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critical for quickly achieving pronatalist aims. I love that. I love that. It's like,
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okay, so you want to make America more pronatalist. What do you do? And we're like two words,
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planned parenthood. It's so subversive, but it makes so much sense.
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But it's not just things like that. You also see this was in the UN, right? So
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the antinatalists have done this historically. So things like the UN populations division are really
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heavily infested with antinatalists and people who want to do planned rapid reductions of the human
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population. You can see our video on the UN conspiracy to lower the global population.
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But just as those organizations and nefarious individuals have infiltrated those organizations,
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if for example, somebody in our podcast is a big wig at the UN or something like that,
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inserting people like us or people who we can send you who might have less public baggage than us,
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but our rabid pronatalists. For example, you want a qualified woman of color who's a rabid
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pronatalist and has no negative baggage tied to us. We can serve you one on a silver platter.
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You just let us know what you need and we can give you the next head of the UN global population
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division that is not going to keep fudging the data. I'm going to put a graph on screen here right
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now because it horrified me when I saw it and it came from the UN population division or from
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it was extrapolated from their stuff. And it shows global fertility rates going up and then going
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down and then just like stopping, just stop, stop going down. And they just get normal. Yeah.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait. Why do you think that's going to happen?
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This is so common in any form of modeling though. And I had this moment in 2016 when I first started
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making financial models and I asked a bunch of professors and other professionals and academics like,
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okay, so how are these models made? Because I always used to look at models and really take
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them seriously and take them like for granted, you know, take them at face value. And then I discovered
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like all the formulas, everything that's going on here is just, you know, someone's just fudging it.
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Like there's just a cell. There's a place where it was like, I don't know, it's going to increase by,
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I don't know, like 3%. I was actually listening about the, when, when the gold standard was dropped in,
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around the, the 1930s, how Franklin Delano Roosevelt would have these breakfast meetings
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and just be like, let's set the exchange rate to, you know, like let's set the, the, the value at,
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you know, $21. Cause you know, 21, seven times three, and it's like, it's a nice number.
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And they would present it to the American people. Like, you know, 21.32 cents, you know,
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like it's just like really specific numbers. Now determining most prudent move for insurance company.
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Fail out. Everyone's like, wow. You know, top men are on this. This is top men.
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And we, we, we're being taken care of here. We may be off the gold standard, but everything's
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going to be okay, ladies and gentlemen. And meanwhile, due to bureaucrats in a room.
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Nice. Yeah. And that's just how it is. And that's, that's the problem with modeling and all these
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projections is they are bullshit in the end and people can be informed, but there's, I think there's
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also the issue of the more academics often know about things. Um, sometimes and not always,
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it depends on the field. It seems like the less they are able to predict and model things because
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they know too much. They're overthinking things and you're better off studies that looked at this.
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She's not giving her own conjecture. Yeah. I'm not giving my own conjecture. Um,
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you can see this a little bit in prediction models. There are some exceptions where sometimes large
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groups of non-experts make better predictions than, um, moderate groups of experts, for example.
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Now that's not always true. Sometimes experts do make better predictions because they know things
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that depend on the field, but still, I just feel like with most projections, I now have zero faith
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and there's a reason why. And yeah, I agree with everything you're seeing. It's something I've seen.
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I think this is one of the things in society where the higher you rise, you realize a lot of times where
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you thought that like competent people who knew what they were doing were doing something and they just
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weren't. It was just somebody being like, well, that would be inconvenient if the fertility rate
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keeps falling given our objective to, or they just can't fathom how it would like, they're just like,
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you know what? I think that what makes the most sense is I bet people just start having two kids
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each. Yeah. But why? Like you're like, but why would you think that when all leading indicators?
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I don't know. It's what I want. It's what most of my friends want. Like that again,
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it's just kind of fudging intuition and sometimes it works. Oh my God. We absolutely forgotten.
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And we have to do an episode on that article that you read where the girl was like, oh, well,
00:33:13.500
all of my friends in the city want two kids and we're old. Oh, Reagan's article. Yeah. Yeah.
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Because there's this article and we'll do a separate episode. That might actually work
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really well with the Israel discussion that we are about to have. All right, let's do it.
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I love you to death, Simone. It is so wonderful that you are the type of woman who is able to update
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your views when you realize that the people you thought were good guys are horrifying baby
00:33:39.980
murderers. Well, I love that. I have the type of husband who is out of the box and creative enough
00:33:45.420
to look at an organization like Planned Parenthood and say, you know what? That's the answer to our
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prayers. Let's use that to save pronatalism. If any of our followers have institutional buy-in or
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power at any institution where you're like, you know what? We could actually slot you guys into a
00:34:01.260
position like this or somebody who you recommended to us, let us know and we will give you the people.
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Because we're always a heartbeat away from being fired from our only paying day job.
00:34:11.980
Absolutely. I love you to death. I love you too. Oh, it is sad. I know.
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And we thought we were going to charge for the Collins Institute and now we plan to launch it for free.
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Yeah. Thanks, Malcolm. But you're right to do it. I love you. Love you too.