Based Camp - September 26, 2025


Post-Racism: What Racism Means When Wokes Say Mixed-Race Relationships Are Bad


Episode Stats

Length

51 minutes

Words per Minute

177.13487

Word Count

9,082

Sentence Count

5

Misogynist Sentences

12

Hate Speech Sentences

27


Summary

In this episode, we discuss how the far left have attacked interracial marriages and interracial humans as an inherently racist concept. We also discuss the reasons why interracial marriage is considered less offensive than interracial unions.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be discussing a few topics
00:00:04.620 one is on how the far left have begun to attack and see interracial marriages and interracial
00:00:13.420 humans as an inherently racist concept the far left wait hold on i don't know if you know this
00:00:20.660 simone this happened a few years ago because it's one of the things we're going to be talking about
00:00:23.840 this but did you know that dnd no longer allows characters to create mixed race characters
00:00:30.620 wait so like an elf can't marry an orc or no such thing as half no so you can have a character that
00:00:35.820 is technically a half elf i.e their mom is an elf but the husband's a human okay but they can only
00:00:41.840 have the traits of either elves or humans they can't have the traits of both so basically you have to
00:00:47.300 choose one of your parents and that's your real ethnicity like this is considered less offensive
00:00:53.040 than being mixed race and we're going to be going over this incident that happened a few years ago
00:00:58.280 because i think it's actually interesting in that it explains the psychology of how they think race
00:01:03.080 mixing is okay and how they think it's not okay and we'll be going into quotes from famous democratic
00:01:07.940 politicians and media figures basically attacking the concept of mixed race marriages what and on top
00:01:15.960 of all that i think this is interesting to discuss not from a haha look at them they're the racist now
00:01:21.960 perspective like anybody who's saying knows that it's more interesting to study from sort of the
00:01:27.420 anthropological perspective of what is racism mean today to stain people what does it mean to democrats
00:01:36.860 where do we go societally and where are they going societally in terms of their understanding of race
00:01:43.140 and it's where i will be laying out a new concept which i would say is what we are which i call post
00:01:50.900 racist or if you want a longer term for it post scientific racist which is to say i think that
00:01:59.020 the way that we should relate to ethnicities and racial groups as a society um is to and this is what i
00:02:06.820 would say is the position of the post racist right uh rather than the anti-racist is to say that you
00:02:13.020 know there are differences between groups what those differences are might be hard to quantify but like
00:02:19.100 you shouldn't like re or freak out just because somebody's like this group is different from this
00:02:23.500 group because when you do you can lead to really systemic damage to some populations like for example
00:02:28.400 a lot of black women are completely unaware that they have i think it's 50 higher rate of pregnancy
00:02:34.040 complications and early pregnancy terminations than white women do and so they they don't take because
00:02:38.900 they they've been grown up and told you're biologically exactly like a white woman and so they don't
00:02:43.440 make and take this into account when they're planning their fertility window which is why when you're
00:02:47.540 looking at americans who are over the bottom i want to say like 20 percent of income blacks have the
00:02:53.540 lowest fertility rate because the the black people who like plan go to school everything like that
00:02:58.640 they they are unaware that their biology is going to make this harder for them than it is
00:03:03.980 and they're they're white and asian friends then you've got the the problem of so so we don't do
00:03:10.620 that but we accept our differences and we value our differences like humanity is good because we are
00:03:17.660 diverse and it is through that diversity that we can challenge things and learn from each other right
00:03:22.160 like our first thought both the wokes and the racist do this as we pointed out before is when they see a
00:03:27.560 group out competing them and i laid out this theory before but it's a very important theory to
00:03:31.700 understand when you're talking about differences between groups i.e uh this group has more money
00:03:39.220 or more political power or more success than this group there are only three explanations for that
00:03:44.860 one explanation is cultural differences one explanation is genetic differences and the other
00:03:50.920 explanation is they put some sort of something systemic into practice that basically cheats the system in
00:03:57.280 their favor and the problem is is that when you say that groups are not culturally different
00:04:02.260 and anybody who says that certainly believes groups are genetically different it means you assume all
00:04:07.100 differences are due to somebody cheating and you know this is as true when blm says that they've been
00:04:14.180 cheated by white populations as it is when white supremacists say that the jews cheated them you know
00:04:19.280 it's it's it's a toxic similarity between these two groups for sure the post-racist it says i won't fall
00:04:27.000 for that i will admit that some groups can create systemic biases in their favor as some of you talked
00:04:32.020 about you know like vietnamese nail salons and stuff like that cartels and that's patel motels etc yeah
00:04:38.200 yeah and that sometimes a society can even through slavery or something you know create dramatic
00:04:44.100 systemic advantages for certain groups but that it is important to focus on cultural differences
00:04:51.800 and eventually when it's within the realm of things we can control genetic differences just as much the
00:04:58.640 reason why we don't focus much on genetic differences right now is it's just not something you can do much
00:05:02.160 about so being aware that it exists is different and note here i have made no claims about differences
00:05:07.980 in say iq between ethnic groups we have never ever said that and we we won't say that but i want to go
00:05:16.500 into the dnd thing because i think it's interesting and then we're going to go into quotes this is so
00:05:19.940 crazy though just like the very premise that you've set out is so blowing my mind because i grew up
00:05:24.380 believing that racism was i hate this group or this group is bad and now i'm realizing that all the
00:05:31.640 racism that people are being accused of like within our social networks is how dare you
00:05:37.180 recognize genetic differences which is insane but then also the only groups i know of that are like
00:05:44.700 this group is evil are the ones saying are you ashamed of your white privilege yeah which is so
00:05:52.360 crazy we had somebody ask us that a couple days ago that's why this is top of mind okay go on though
00:05:57.780 this is this is just blowing my mind because i i had always thought that like the racism that you know
00:06:03.400 like the definition of racism is always like oh it hasn't changed but like man that it really has
00:06:10.120 changed and i think we need a new definition for whatever wokes are because i think you can just
00:06:14.620 call them racist but they're they're kind of something new that has the qualities that would
00:06:21.080 have been defined as racist in the 90s or whatever but of course they won't accept that label so what can
00:06:27.680 we call them i don't know you can think of some new term for this as we go through this other than just
00:06:32.080 chime in in the comments but wizards of the coast the company that publishes the official materials
00:06:36.740 of the role-playing game dungeons and dragons is planning to eliminate the half elf half orc
00:06:40.660 races in forthcoming editions they say the half elf construct is inherently racist according to game
00:06:47.600 designers by the way i'm reading from a reason here this is them talking here frankly we are not
00:06:52.000 comfortable and haven't been for years with any of the options that start with half said jeremy
00:06:57.080 crawford a dnd rules designers a at a virtual event last weekend to play dnd it's necessary to design
00:07:03.120 characters with specific race human elf dwarf gnome etc and specific class ranger barbarian cleric etc
00:07:09.660 the official materials offer guidance for doing so the races and classes have specific characteristics
00:07:15.320 elves have long natural lifespans orcs can see in the dark and so on but players can also make a
00:07:22.180 character with mixed racial traits half elves are characters with one human parent and one elf
00:07:27.220 parent half orcs are characters with one human parent and one orc parent while it's possible to
00:07:32.940 design other mixed race characters again official materials make it clear that everyone can do
00:07:38.700 whatever they want these two combinations are specifically listed ones and they have their own
00:07:43.220 traits well not anymore according to several reports from dnd players who witnessed the event
00:07:47.720 the official materials are dropping these classes due to concerns of inherent racism players who want a
00:07:54.620 mixed character will be advised to choose one race from which to draw their traits
00:07:58.720 is this same for like rangers and barbarians no a ranger is a class not a race oh sorry i don't
00:08:07.160 i'm bad at this okay okay okay i don't know nothing about this dean so the game will prompt you to
00:08:17.320 either have elf or human to round out your game related qualities okay and this is what i find so
00:08:23.740 interesting because i really want to dive into this because i think it's fascinating so to go into the
00:08:27.860 mechanics here for gameplay select one species as your quote-unquote primary heritage primary all the
00:08:35.460 traits and features of that sub race lineage options this reminds me so much of how like when when
00:08:41.180 people have mixed race heritage it's super common in modern culture for like let's say you have like
00:08:48.480 obama right white mom black dad he's still like the first black president well so i think that's part of
00:08:56.020 where this comes from so let's let's talk about this um there's the hilarious south park ad that's an ad
00:09:01.460 for 23 and me to find out what percent victim you are um but basically what this is codifying
00:09:10.220 i thought i was just a standard white guy but dna and me showed that i'm actually 4.2 cherokee indian
00:09:17.380 turns out i'm not totally white i'm also part northern asian and even some kurdish i'm a victim of
00:09:24.940 oppression people made fun of me for being french dna and me showed i was eight percent navajo nobody's
00:09:31.460 making fun of me now or my people who are victims i'm 13 percent victim i'm 21 percent victim into dnd
00:09:39.340 is you get to choose any one part of your heritage no matter how small it is and a hundred percent
00:09:47.320 identify as that portion of your heritage that's totally how people do though unless they choose to be
00:09:53.480 you know pocahontas elizabeth warren no no no it's how wokes do it's not how i think productive
00:09:58.720 individuals do yeah i don't think it's how a healthy society works yeah but what's also really
00:10:03.460 fascinating is within a dnd world you know nobody argues that orcs and elves and humans and dwarves
00:10:15.220 do not have different biological features like nobody's gonna argue that an elf has the strength
00:10:23.640 of an orc yeah right nobody's nobody's i think historically a few people would argue that you
00:10:31.160 know a a human has the innate skill for metalworking that a dwarf has and so this is accepted within
00:10:38.760 any sort of fantasy world right and so they're not denying when they draw the offspring of say you
00:10:46.780 know a human and an orc that that offspring is not going to by any sane measure of the imagination
00:10:54.540 beat any human in an arm wrestle for example yeah but they say that we have to pretend that that's not
00:11:03.020 the case that we have to pretend that they are either just as strong as an orc or just as weak as
00:11:10.940 a human and and so that's how your stats come out if you choose to identify if you're half orc half
00:11:16.800 human and you choose to identify as human does that mean like your stats in the game are or yes your
00:11:22.500 stats are what you identify as i mean i don't know like i feel like when people choose their identities
00:11:28.000 it does affect their outcome even if it's like you know not their chosen identity but it's so it's
00:11:33.920 not just around ethnicity here okay but obviously this has a lot of parallels to the trans community
00:11:39.560 and stuff like that like this idea that you can look at you know strong man from south park and you
00:11:45.320 can be like obviously that sports competition isn't fair like i can see leah thomas right that was the
00:11:51.180 one who did the competition um the swimmer yeah i can see that she has dramatically more muscle mass
00:11:59.720 than i have ever seen on a biological woman reading the world the way it's supposed to be which is once
00:12:04.440 you choose to identify as see in the correct world leah thomas would have begun to suck at swimming
00:12:10.500 when she transitioned the problem is that reality is just unjust i actually love like i'm imagining like
00:12:17.740 in dnd you know that the half orc like joins the the weightlifting competition and it's like but i
00:12:23.980 identify with my human parents like yeah what are you talking about it is being like this whole subplot
00:12:29.500 of how like half orcs and half elves are like exploiting human competition realms yeah they're
00:12:36.580 like everything it's not on my stat block look at my stats no i'm actually imagining here you know
00:12:41.080 there's like there's like isake where you're taken to like a video game world yeah except like woke
00:12:46.060 racists are enforcing this way of doing the rules on everyone and like obviously it's not working
00:12:52.820 and you have like orcs identifying as elves to like go into like elf weightlifting competitions
00:12:58.220 yeah and like elves identifying as orcs to go into their like gymnastics competition but you just know
00:13:03.960 that like in these fantasy worlds and like the racism or i don't know a species of whatever would be
00:13:10.440 like so much stronger than it already is that's what's so okay so this is why i found this so telling
00:13:15.020 before we go into all these instances is you and i are here and we look at something like the trans
00:13:23.380 people in sports or something like that right yeah and we're like i have eyes i is it that these people
00:13:30.140 don't have eyes is it that these people like cannot make a basic biological judgment here right
00:13:37.280 i have a lot of incredible trans friends who are athletes and so we're all inspired this woman's
00:13:42.600 competing uh-huh she's not exactly your average trans athlete well what is an average trans athlete
00:13:49.680 honestly i find that kind of bigoted david okay now that i can compete as female i'm ready to smash the
00:13:56.500 other girls i'm gonna rule up the other women here and i'm gonna smoke them i am the strongest woman
00:14:04.600 this state has ever seen but but so i look at that and i'm like surely maybe it's just that we're not
00:14:14.080 dimorphic enough right but what you see within the dnd example which is really really fascinating and
00:14:22.860 helps elucidate the way they actually see ethnic groups you see that no even if it was so patently
00:14:30.600 obvious that no one could conceivably deny it i.e the half orc or something like that right
00:14:38.480 they would still choose to deny it keep in mind this wizard of the coast team it got through like
00:14:45.240 an entire diversity like review board right like tell of course it did but wait hold on is this
00:14:51.840 matter of course it did but to me outside of the woke mob and and and circles and everything like
00:14:59.200 that i hear about this and i'm thinking that's obviously racist right to ban but like no it's
00:15:09.460 just how it's supposed to be it's just how it's supposed to be so they're like it's it's right but
00:15:14.780 it shows the way that they want to apply this within our own reality as well and that it is
00:15:20.860 well enough conceived that this idea of even though they look like a man even though they have the
00:15:27.120 muscle of a man yeah no they're not a man they're not a man and they have the stats of a woman so i
00:15:31.840 think that matters in terms of that way of relating to race right like race is well well it's sort of
00:15:37.380 being transracial is still something like ration dolezard or whatever who like pretend to be black and
00:15:42.060 had like no black heritage like this is something that's still really looked down upon the idea of
00:15:47.800 pretending or taking ownership of an ethnic group is i think way more flexible in progressive circles
00:15:56.600 than we pretend it is on the right or that they pretend it is a quick logistical question for people
00:16:02.400 like me who are outside that haven't ever played dnd could this have just been a logistical constraint
00:16:08.000 like it's just too hard for dungeon masters to or like for players in general just set up
00:16:12.540 they said why look i i literally read their quotes about this simone i know but maybe they did that for
00:16:18.840 like social points within their leftist circles because this has been dominated by leftist factions
00:16:23.760 but in the end it was just a logistical thing to have more diversity for like min maxing stats and
00:16:28.560 everything okay so this was very explicitly done for for diversity reasons to be on the woke side of
00:16:34.020 history because before you would you could mix them right yes it was so this like it wasn't a
00:16:39.480 problem that was being fixed because at first i was like well five editions it wasn't a problem no
00:16:43.600 okay yeah i was like i don't know maybe you have to like add you know add numbers and then average
00:16:47.480 them out and it just takes too much time and that no no the the set stats for half elves half or
00:16:53.520 tough they're all given like they were just oh god okay so you just look it up this is even
00:16:58.880 something additional they can sell because there's more pages in their book dude you're right okay okay
00:17:03.180 sorry that just that was necessary i didn't know that i now thank you for telling me okay so wait
00:17:08.480 what was the point i was making when you interrupted me i remember the point was very important so i'm
00:17:12.160 glad i didn't forget it the second one is this is this applies even to ethnic group with only one
00:17:17.820 exception among wokes so you're people are like oh you can't just say that you're black was in woke
00:17:23.840 circles right and i'd be like actually you can as long as you can pass as having any meaningful
00:17:30.780 black heritage so if an individual for example was in woke circles was let's say one eighth black or
00:17:37.820 something like that and they said i'm black and you said if you're anything other than like obviously
00:17:43.940 blacker than them no you're not black you don't look back you don't pass as black this would be seen
00:17:50.300 as an incredibly offensive thing to say was in their circles and i've noticed as well was in woke circles
00:17:56.040 this becomes a particularly easy way to get the bipoc background by claiming native american heritage
00:18:02.740 because you may not look native american you know and so you can claim it or by claiming next heritage
00:18:09.520 because nobody knows you know latinx white people are latinx right like you're from argentina or
00:18:15.740 whatever right yeah you could be like literally 100 italian and mitt romney is latinx right like yes
00:18:23.160 his parents were mexicans weren't they google it i'm sure they were you know so he's more latinx than
00:18:29.540 most wokies right and if he said i'm latinx and you tried to challenge him on this and you are to the
00:18:34.860 right of him you get immediately dogpiled so i i think this is really important to note that when
00:18:42.800 they say that we haven't entered this sort of i can identify as whatever race i want we actually are
00:18:47.180 already well in the i can identify as whatever race i want with the only caveat that it gets tricky
00:18:54.560 when you're identifying as black and you probably want some small amount of heritage from that group
00:19:00.880 but it's considered very offensive to question individuals because they don't unquote unquote pass
00:19:05.180 which was the point historically the reason why you would sometimes identify somebody as say black
00:19:12.520 even though they would have you know a half white or a white parent right is you'd say well they
00:19:18.080 looked black enough that they experienced all the oppression oh yeah people saw them as black and
00:19:24.440 therefore so this is where this logic started but it's no longer there anymore you can very clearly
00:19:30.160 pass as a white european and claim latinx heritage or claim black heritage is what i've seen so we got
00:19:38.600 to talk about you know that right like identities are choice now but the second thing is how they
00:19:43.620 relate to ethnic heritage which i think is really important because clearly here the reason they're
00:19:49.420 uncomfortable with this is in their heads which by the way was not the case for me in my head i never
00:19:55.780 understood orcs to be black people okay but in their head if they're like well it's offensive that you
00:20:03.700 know half orcs exist then they're saying that these are like ethnic groups and not like species
00:20:10.440 right and as such uh they're saying that they always were kind of uncomfortable one with ethnic
00:20:17.900 group mixing but two with the idea that you could inherit some traits from one ethnic group and some
00:20:23.140 traits from another ethnic group now okay i'm sorry i just need for again for me and all the other
00:20:28.260 non-dnd people i know that orcs from the lord of the rings universe are sort of i mean you could
00:20:34.880 say genetically modified or are modified through treatments elves so you know genetically okay so
00:20:42.740 they're in dnd they're just this separate you have mentioned this a number of times that you think
00:20:46.480 is a universal true thing about orcs and it is literally only token like the lord of the rings
00:20:51.060 universe is pretty big literally only the lord of the rings universe orcs are are like that that is
00:20:57.580 that is never okay maybe people will school me and there'll be like one other mainstream fantasy
00:21:02.820 world but it is not a common factor of orcs well thank you i needed to know that because i wasn't
00:21:08.220 sure i was like it's it's weird to yeah by far the most common trope of orcs even in the late 80s
00:21:15.400 was like noble savages like they were very tribal they were very savage but they you know upheld honor
00:21:22.380 and everything like that like the reavers of the fantasy world no i said noble savages
00:21:27.340 oh noble oh oh oh so like structured and not crazy yes more they're often structured like
00:21:34.500 sort of like native american tribes and stuff like that when they're when they're doing them
00:21:38.060 okay so like closer to the earth less less in their high towers and yes okay i gotcha all right
00:21:44.960 gotcha gotcha thanks yes and and so this has been a thing for a while but anyway the point here being
00:21:50.480 is sorry yes you go on big tangents i need to know i need that how do you watch so little fantasy we
00:22:00.300 just because i do the work i do the i pay the bills i thank you for that simone i really appreciate it
00:22:07.060 but the the point here being is that they think that ethnicity is something that you
00:22:16.080 choose and you choose one and you're not really supposed to choose two and this is true with in
00:22:24.380 woke circles for mixed race individuals i i i even see and you can sound off in the comments here
00:22:29.980 some shaming when people attempt to combine traditions from both of their parents well it is
00:22:36.000 the urban monoculture to be fair yeah it's it's it's adopt one identity so i'm not confused about
00:22:43.360 your position in our social hierarchy and that identity is sort of like your your personal branding
00:22:49.800 or whatever and unrelated to your biological reality which is really interesting and i think
00:22:55.020 that that is part of what the modern i guess we'll call it woke racism is instead of the post-racism
00:23:01.600 because right now it's dealing with like the the reason we use the term post-racism is because
00:23:05.640 usually for people to sort of enter a post-racist mindset and be like it's okay that we're different
00:23:13.720 you have to go through learning about those differences accepting those differences and then
00:23:21.540 understanding that they're just not that important with the current genetic technology that that we have
00:23:26.280 you know coming down the pipeline and and that that this is okay that it is diversity wouldn't
00:23:32.560 have value if we weren't actually different right if everyone was interchangeable with everyone else
00:23:37.180 there would be no reason to say that diversity is a thing of value be that cultural or genetic diversity
00:23:42.540 and so and i think that that is you know as you said about this you're like it's sort of like dune
00:23:48.420 you know you the pain box right you must face your racism and let it pass through you
00:23:52.860 that is is is where you go to enter a truly non-racist world it is through all of the threats
00:24:02.140 that come with traditional racism because if you refuse to engage with those threats you end up in
00:24:09.180 this alternate crazy world where every group difference is because somebody's cheating and
00:24:16.060 therefore any group that is out competing your group must be destroyed and this always leads to
00:24:20.060 things like anti-semitism and stuff like that yeah yeah yeah no i'm not saying that idea is bad
00:24:25.460 because it leads to anti-semitism an idea may lead to anti-semitism and be perfectly valid i'm just
00:24:30.140 arguing to the wokes who sometimes care about anti-semitism that this mindset is always going to take you
00:24:36.480 there or to you know our reformed jew viewers who think that staying on the left side is still a good
00:24:42.420 idea it's like no no no no no no no no if you promote this ideology it ends with your group being
00:24:48.100 targeted but it leads with any group this this out competing but i i want to now get to do you have
00:24:53.260 any thoughts on this before we go further saman no dive deeper this just my mind was already blown
00:24:59.200 at the very beginning of this when i realized that you know racism was totally different from what i
00:25:03.620 thought it was as a kid so this is representative jasmine crockert a democrat in texas who's talking in
00:25:11.620 in 2025 about brian donald's a a black man and she's a member of the squad so you know very prominent
00:25:19.680 right and she said that his marriage to a white woman quote-unquote whitewashes him making him less
00:25:27.940 authentically black so he feels like a race traitor no she says he's not really black because he married
00:25:35.640 a white woman he doesn't get to claim to be black see this is the thing about whoa okay um this is an
00:25:42.740 elected politician this year said this not like because he married outside his what that is how
00:25:50.800 can she so what's interesting is remember how i said that like they can identify as whatever they
00:25:55.300 want like if elizabeth warren wants to identify as native american that's not offensive from a
00:25:59.380 democratic perspective right but if you are not a democrat and if you are not within the urban
00:26:04.220 monoculture if you challenge it then people within the urban monoculture get to identify what you
00:26:09.180 are um and that's what we're seeing here right no no in shared by at rob the builder a self-described
00:26:17.960 liberal he warned of and i've seen these in the wild as well warning of fetitization uh when he was
00:26:26.440 talking about how white women in woke circles scrutinize interracial relationships as exploitative
00:26:31.380 he dated a dark-skinned indian woman last summer but she was repeatedly warned by white liberal
00:26:37.720 acquaintances who didn't know him that his interest was likely a racial fetish or tokenization to signal
00:26:44.780 virtue um and he wrote from his on he goes on three separate occasions from three different people
00:26:51.880 she was warned that my attraction to her was likely either a fetish and or tokenization whatever that
00:26:57.840 means that is so weird is this because there are now prominent conservatives who are in mixed race
00:27:05.800 marriages and now a lot of prominent conservatives are in mixed race marriages yeah but keep in mind
00:27:10.220 that this never met it doesn't matter when as the classic you know incredibly anti-white you know
00:27:16.220 black progressive woman marries jewish guy trope yeah and we point out if you look at the conservatives
00:27:21.980 the ones that they're always saying are racist like you know jd vance will be like married to
00:27:25.560 you know a indian woman right indian kids right you see you see this all the time right like
00:27:29.960 they clearly don't mean whatever we used to mean by racist when they're calling him a racist right
00:27:35.420 they're talking about some new distinction and so i'm trying to categorize these two new systems of
00:27:40.940 thought post-racism and woke racism as the diametrically opposed instead of both schools
00:27:48.380 pointing out ways in which each one of them is more like what we historically called racism in the 90s
00:27:54.340 and i will agree that some parts of post-racism are closer to what we call racism in the 90s than
00:28:00.280 woke racism but overall woke racism is way closer i'd say it's like 80 towards woke racism in terms of
00:28:07.160 whatever we call racism in the 90s because my memory of 90s racism was totally okay with accepting
00:28:15.400 genetic differences in fact there was a celebration of the variety of humans and it was like we're different
00:28:21.660 and isn't that cool and isn't it cool that this person isn't like you and has different culture
00:28:26.560 and heritage and our strength is in that variety that wait wait so where so let's keep going here okay
00:28:35.360 okay in a paper titled the marriage fundamentalist guide to the end of the world occidental college
00:28:42.820 sociology professor lisa wade a prominent voice in gender and racial studies often cited in progressive
00:28:48.340 academia argue that marriage itself reinforces quote white heteropatriarchal supremacy end quote oh
00:28:55.120 that's why she calls it a marriage fundamentalist wow yeah representatives brian donald highlighted in
00:29:03.260 his response tying it to criticism of his own interracial marriage as left-leaning commentators
00:29:08.860 used it to question the legitimacy of his mixed race unions under systemic racism and then quote here
00:29:14.700 marriage fundamentalism like structural racism is a key in structuring element of white heteropatriarchal
00:29:23.200 supremacy in quote heteropatriarchal supremacy now in a widely discussed essay journalist paul kicks
00:29:33.320 in an interracial marriage was a black woman described a shift in liberal attitudes post 2020 so i don't
00:29:40.240 hear this has also been recent which is pretty interesting at a neighborhood gathering a white
00:29:44.560 progressive mother questioned his fitness to raise their biracial children reflecting water woke
00:29:50.960 weariness about white partners in mixed race families and they heightened some focus on racial
00:29:56.920 supremacy of color he said quote i don't know how you can raise black children right now in quote and
00:30:03.340 this was in the essay the free press essay liberals once embraced intermacial marriages like mine what
00:30:08.800 changed we might do a separate episode or we just go over this essay because i think that sounds pretty
00:30:12.420 interesting um but i think that this is true like if you believe in racial supremacy right like it black
00:30:20.620 people are genuinely superior or or more fragile or more like like somehow needing of a different class
00:30:27.620 of parents like you would look at the white person raising them and be like how can you be good
00:30:31.880 enough to be the parent to these yeah but if if it's a mixed race that that means that that person's
00:30:38.800 genetics is also in their kid and that's what's really fascinating right that's where the gnt thing
00:30:45.440 comes in these children are only black in these people's minds and not only that but these children
00:30:50.880 would have the right to or and are expected to the reason why they're like the father should be ashamed
00:30:56.700 and not the mother is because they expect the kids to choose their black identity and not their white
00:31:01.220 identity this is shockingly regressive i cannot believe it's not good like we are fighting against
00:31:07.940 true evil here like i want to be clear right these are not like there's some good to it and there's some
00:31:14.140 bad to it but i think that there is good in trying to delineate what they believe and better understand
00:31:20.220 what they believe about what race really is and how your race is really determined
00:31:25.540 i suppose okay matt young goes three a verified x user in queer and leftist communities critiqued
00:31:36.020 the framing of interracial relationships often white plus non-white as progressive symbols they
00:31:42.600 argued these dynamics historically benefited white men and aren't truly emancipatory so here's the quote
00:31:49.140 one interracial relationships are not inherently progressive two miscegenation laws were historically
00:31:56.220 introduced by white men ending them has was done primarily to benefit white men three interracial
00:32:03.200 is almost synonymous with white plus other no it's not but this is what they think this is not
00:32:10.580 something that he gets pushed back on you know this is yeah it's just stated without okay
00:32:15.680 communities and stuff like that right and i think that this is why we also need something other than
00:32:20.980 scientific racism which i'm quite against scientific racism is to say you know racial groups are
00:32:28.960 genetically quite distinct from each other and this significantly matters to the way we structure
00:32:34.120 society and that it is important to understand often you know as a sidebar to this which groups are the
00:32:40.720 good ones and which ones are the bad ones and and you know some scientific racists will be like i don't do
00:32:45.140 that third thing and it's like you know a lot of people in the community do right like you you know
00:32:50.140 they do right and i think that that's not a healthy way and that's why i i opted to this post-racist
00:32:55.480 category where you have gone through that understanding and you've come out at a more logical end point
00:33:02.980 than a racial obsession either in the form of scientific racism or in the form of leftism modern woke racism
00:33:12.400 so if we're going to find some other fun ones here oh yes let's do robin d'angelo
00:33:21.900 what did she have to say she's still doing stuff time for a long time
00:33:28.240 yeah so she said and then i'm a big believer in affinity space and affinity work and i think people
00:33:36.580 of color need to get away from white people and have some community with each other bring back
00:33:41.640 segregation bring back segregation yes uh ya zhang pong and anti-racist narratives in interracial
00:33:49.380 marriages this was august 2022 and this is discussed a lot that year so in psychology today a mainstream
00:33:55.280 progressive leaning psychology outlet this phd an academic and an interracial couple herself
00:34:00.780 highlights how post-2020 anti-racist activism frames white partners as inherent oppressors
00:34:06.900 this narrative drawn from figures like abram x kennedy and robin d'angelo questions the authenticity of
00:34:13.760 mixed race unions and so she said why would oppressed persons want to marry their oppressors
00:34:19.280 and if these activists are right wouldn't we have to conclude that no authentic relationship could
00:34:24.700 exist between white and non-white people maybe because these aren't oppressed people marrying
00:34:30.820 their oppressors because slavery was abolished a while ago maybe i know that people would be like
00:34:38.980 well it hasn't been enough time for them to catch up and i'm like well then why do why do japanese
00:34:42.500 americans out earn white americans like yeah despite internment much more recently and you can be like
00:34:47.420 well that wasn't as long and i'm like well it's still re-zeroed them you know so so and then people
00:34:51.460 can be like well well see the thing is is you're not taking into account the cultural effects of x
00:34:57.380 many years of slavery and he goes ah right there the cultural effects so that means that it can be
00:35:02.620 addressed intra-community not it doesn't need to be enforced from the outside if anything watch the
00:35:08.540 other episode we're gonna have releasing around this if you do handouts whether it's dei or whether
00:35:14.540 it is in terms of cash handouts you usually hurt the community in question and there was a great study
00:35:19.560 on this that showed that if you're looking at and note here i'm not saying for genetic reasons it's
00:35:24.900 just everybody knows well not everybody knows but like if you're aware of like the research into
00:35:29.180 discrimination and everything like that black students in america uh score lower than white
00:35:34.060 students and earn less than than white individuals this is also true for latin american americans and if
00:35:40.240 you're like okay where are these differences the smallest and where are they the biggest biggest in
00:35:46.580 democratic areas and they are the smallest in republican areas so that means that when you
00:35:50.020 have intergenerational republican leadership you you get less distance between ethnic groups meaning
00:35:56.520 meaning more equality but that's because you're getting less dei and less handouts which increase
00:36:01.120 these things see our dei videos on this anyway so to continue here sociologist serisha solvon
00:36:10.040 cold research published by rice university progressive academic institution argues that mixed race marriages
00:36:15.240 don't inherently challenge racism and can even reinforce it through colorblind assumptions progressive
00:36:21.760 media outlets like the garland guardian amplified this in 2023 to 2024 when they were getting called
00:36:26.280 mad at us and caution viewing interracial unions as a solution to systemic issues potentially
00:36:32.220 stigmatizing them as performative yeah i performatively got married and had kids with somebody for my entire
00:36:38.240 life i mean i'm not going to argue it never happens but like i don't think that like jd vans like the
00:36:44.560 political lesbians of race warriors so as a quote here interracial couples often serve as proof that
00:36:52.960 we are indeed making positive liberal advancements particularly when they have children but this
00:36:57.880 presumption can undermine the racism of the extended family members who encounter the couple
00:37:03.720 what are they even asserting that i mean first when you actually look at the data mixed race marriages are at a
00:37:13.360 higher rate in the united states at least today than they ever have been historically they're becoming
00:37:18.760 increasingly common and the other really important piece of data here too which i think is just so important
00:37:24.540 and so telling is that say what you will about gold diggers it's actually very unusual for people to marry
00:37:30.720 outside their educational wealth or whatever status class so the fact that there are more mixed race
00:37:36.980 marriages to me says that there is less of a functionally perceived and felt barrier between
00:37:44.960 people of different racial backgrounds that they are seeing themselves as in the same class because we are
00:37:50.880 really entering a post race world and i just that they're trying to go back well i think simone
00:38:00.560 it's important to remember that in a modern context white supremacy has a big over diversity
00:38:07.780 problem it's just too diverse a movement the white supremacist movement we need to there's too many
00:38:14.480 black and indians in it and it needs a cleaning because i have seen you know leftists complain about
00:38:20.720 this a lot recently is is is the problem with all the diversity in the white supremacist movement
00:38:25.200 but it's a joke because the people who the left frame as white supremacists who are not white
00:38:29.880 supremacists they're just not woke racists that they and and again the reason i make up this post
00:38:34.920 racist label is it is a very different view about race than the race realists have and it's a very
00:38:41.440 different view about race than being against racism what is in the 90s because i think in the 90s
00:38:46.240 there was still this sort of underlying fear of being like it's okay to admit that people are different
00:38:56.220 from each other yeah well and that that our differences are our strengths they're good things
00:39:02.220 that diversity would have no value if no human group was actually different from any other human
00:39:10.660 group we would be interchangeable there wouldn't be a reason to think of groups differently um
00:39:17.300 there'd be no reason to say oh we need x many of x type of person in this office for maximum it's like
00:39:24.300 well apparently all men and women are completely interchangeable you know except they aren't and
00:39:29.760 stay in your lane and don't ever pretend to yeah well i mean i think it's about accepting reality and
00:39:35.700 what they're doing which is really interesting and i think we see from the dnd is that race has become
00:39:40.400 an optional identity in the same way that they've kind of done this with sexuality where really anyone
00:39:45.320 on the left can identify with well pretty much any sexuality they want yeah they get to you can be
00:39:51.500 like well they can't identify as gay and it's like well they can identify as a woman and now they're
00:39:54.720 gay you know yeah oh that's true yeah you can yeah there you go so sexuality doesn't matter anymore
00:40:04.120 you know arousal patterns don't matter anymore what you're actually born doesn't matter anymore it's all
00:40:09.680 a choice and what's what's interesting is that this whole mindset around this all being a choice
00:40:14.720 is downstream of an imperialist and european descended culture which is one of the things i always point out
00:40:20.860 about and by that what i mean is when you point out they're like well i love muslims and i go well
00:40:25.360 you know muslims in pakistan have a lot of views that you're going to disagree with and they're like
00:40:28.480 well one day they'll agree with all my views because we will eradicate what makes their culture distinct
00:40:32.860 yeah you know so i i think that that's always really hilarious to me but anyway any any thoughts
00:40:38.780 simone before we close out here just horrified i i just i i can't but i mean it is so mainstream
00:40:45.780 this is dnd now this is wizard of the coast this is the world we live in now
00:40:51.940 it doesn't it it only makes the game more boring you've just taken out nobody got fired over this
00:41:00.500 no big uprising happened just
00:41:03.280 but i mean you had more choices in the past that
00:41:08.180 yes you did have more choices society was more interesting i mean it's also like outside of dnd it's
00:41:15.200 it's not just stupid it's it's
00:41:17.620 it's it's unproductive it's stupid unproductive and it is sort of anti-reality and it shocks me even
00:41:27.920 more though is like bro you know i've said i suspect there to be as people begin to realize
00:41:33.560 that the mainstream right now is like i might be naming post-racism or other people might have
00:41:39.100 named it already but or post-scientific racism i think it's a sort of good full term for it
00:41:46.060 but it is the normative position within the online right right now it is the normative position among
00:41:53.480 youth these days if you talk to them who are not woke brainwashed it is not like our position that
00:42:00.180 we're trying to convince you of i'm sure the vast majority of our listeners when i hear this term
00:42:03.900 they're like oh yeah that describes my view of this concept and it's a view that's just sort of like
00:42:11.160 believe the evidence but don't be a spaz about it and start like overly building your life around it
00:42:21.300 basically yeah in the same way that you know when people are like well you know if x group was really
00:42:29.720 better at x or y would that not change your daily decisions it's like anybody who's done like a 23 and
00:42:35.100 me or like a genetics poll because that poll said that you were supposed to be good at something did
00:42:40.660 you decide to like change your life based on that were you like oh this poll says i'm gonna be really
00:42:45.720 good at coding i guess i'm gonna leave my job and become a coder even though i don't like coding no
00:42:50.000 you still do what you want to do like it matters so little and this is where i always talk about
00:42:55.020 when people are like oh well you know if you knew that you had x predilection like that would be
00:43:00.040 really dangerous people ask us about us with our kids you know because we get them genetically
00:43:03.200 sequenced and i'm like you never freaked out about people's horoscopes and and these people believe
00:43:07.920 this so how would this be different anyway i know i love that like far woke women they will be like
00:43:18.040 there is no difference between these two you know very distinct cultural and ethnic groups and then
00:43:24.240 i'm like well you know i was born on x months and they're like oh you're a scorpio well i need to look
00:43:29.320 i need to oh that this relationship will never work like it's so weird actually like i just want to be
00:43:34.980 like it's so weird that we are like discriminating on race people will freak the f out but if you
00:43:44.400 discriminate based on people are like that's totally normal like oh i won't date aries obviously
00:43:53.820 how is that better
00:43:56.840 yeah it's not have you ever recognized that before yeah but it's it's just it's it's acceptable
00:44:03.560 because it's not race it's uh it's the month in which you were born which you also have no control
00:44:08.940 over but fortunately we now can discriminate on race it's it's been said they laid it out there's
00:44:13.580 just some rules for how to do it yeah rule number one to not be white no you can be white as long as
00:44:20.500 you're a democrat still have to be ashamed of your white privilege oh yeah you just have to say i'm
00:44:26.320 ashamed of it and but but you're and then find something else to you know you're like your pots and
00:44:33.320 you're trans and or non-binary and or suffering from severe mental disorders etc etc spoonie something
00:44:42.600 anyway i'm gonna go get the kids i'm gonna make your bulldog for dinner did you look at the video on
00:44:48.180 how they're cooked i'm gonna look at it right before i cook them but i'm gonna cook them before
00:44:52.660 i start the cooking sauteing the rice cake so they're totally cooked and then i'll reintegrate
00:44:56.660 them when i start simmering everything i can go in with the chicken okay when i put in the chicken
00:45:03.380 yeah i will do that or maybe like just after the chicken yeah that's the plan all right i love
00:45:10.240 you so much and thanks for horrifying me just when i think things can't get any crazier you blow my
00:45:15.820 mind so thanks for that world we're in so it goes she's so pretty so for dinner tonight are we doing
00:45:22.080 the the massive because she's about to give birth right and so she'll be out for a while and so she
00:45:27.340 wants to make like all of my favorite dishes in mass so they can be frozen and then easily preheat
00:45:33.080 like reheated so i want malcolm to still eat delicious homemade food like the what was it burmese
00:45:43.180 mint chicken that i made in this case i'm making bulldog fire chicken korean fire chicken but i just
00:45:49.760 i won't have i won't have the bandwidth to prepare it so we're gonna make it ahead of time and it's
00:45:56.500 gonna be perfect it's gonna be great yeah except here's actually malcolm's trick to bulldog which i
00:46:01.760 think is very interesting he basically wants to eat it like pizza without any carbs because as much
00:46:07.740 does he performatively as someone who has terrible health he actually like eats like has an intermittent
00:46:13.400 fasting mostly keto diet it's so weird this is pomegranate juice by the way yeah no you're like
00:46:20.300 you would you would never admit it but you actually like but the bulldog it's supposed to be in that way
00:46:25.980 bulldog is not eating with rice it's not eating with rice it has those korean like starchy rice
00:46:31.740 chunks in it but the way that malcolm likes it is normally bulldog is like kind of layered like in a
00:46:38.000 you know a dish like it's a little deep you spoon into it or well no chopstick into it but what malcolm
00:46:44.180 wants it to do is like basically when i when i prepare it like just spread it out very thinly
00:46:49.720 in like a a pie dish or on a baking sheet and then layer mozzarella cheese on top of it like a pizza
00:46:57.780 which is this is how it is traditionally not typically does have a top layer of mozzarella
00:47:01.000 cheese and then he eats it like that basically like a a crustless chicken and gochujang sauce like
00:47:09.100 cheese pizza which is really interesting and i get it like it maximizes the sort of pizza flavor
00:47:16.100 without the empty carbs because honestly yeah i mean i i freaking love deep dish pizza crust i love the
00:47:23.540 flakiness also like spicier and sweeter than a pizza and the car there is sugar in it or honey
00:47:29.480 or better because there's less diversity in them like with a pizza you've got to get the crust just
00:47:34.540 right and everything that's true and who wants the crust even when they fill the crust with cheese in
00:47:38.720 an attempt to redeem it which i appreciate it's still just it's still crust it's still crust but you
00:47:46.280 know what i actually appreciate that even koreans kind of inherently and intuitively understand this
00:47:50.160 because all of their pizzas are like don't worry we've put hot dogs in the crust don't worry we've
00:47:55.200 put like their crusts are disgusting but in theory and in theory they look amazing yeah they look
00:48:02.900 awesome like those little pointed like sausage infused cheese crusts it you'd think they'd be
00:48:10.140 great i never tried a pizza when we were in seoul because you were like they taste so terrible
00:48:14.460 at least we had that well no you know how terrible they taste did you try one of those like
00:48:19.340 a hot dog or corn dog things in seoul that look really good yes okay pizza is like if you had that
00:48:25.800 kind of bread and meat but it was an entire pizza you you know like when you taste it you're like this
00:48:31.860 is surprisingly disgusting like how it is it looks amazing like you see it like their little glazed
00:48:39.220 hot dog things yeah they have like corn dogs but the problem is is they're not corn dogs they're made
00:48:44.420 what with what i can only guess is is rice flour and it's just utterly flavorless and textureless
00:48:50.940 like just starchy just just dodgy and then you have the hot dog inside but it's just like this
00:48:56.600 why would you wrap i guess a hot dog bun but it's it's not but it's not soft and fluffy like a hot dog
00:49:02.820 barely flavorless compared to like a normal hot dog yeah it's just like the whole thing looks so freaking
00:49:08.140 good and it was so disappointing and i'm obsessed with corn dogs it's like one of my top pregnancy
00:49:13.340 cravings and how do you butcher that it's gotta imagine being in korea and not being able to get
00:49:18.860 a good corn dog seriously they have great what do i want to call them like croquettes like buns and
00:49:24.860 stuff i know yeah you just go to uh what's that called i was gonna say obon pan but no it's that's
00:49:30.460 that french parisian yeah it's it's the french they have it in the us too and i think people think
00:49:35.340 that they're actually french but they're no it's korean no what's it damn it what's it called
00:49:39.580 connection or the french i don't know something the place we were thinking of is paris baguette
00:49:45.260 and i'm always you know i i look at these in american cities like in manhattan or san francisco
00:49:49.580 and i'm like i wonder how many people who go here realize that this is extremely korean all the food here
00:49:55.260 is korean and this is a well-known korean chain that just didn't change its name to something like
00:50:00.540 korean baguette when it moved to america no but it's oh i love those yeah so at least they yeah
00:50:05.980 no they're they're like they can get it right so i don't know how they can get it so wrong with pizza
00:50:10.060 and corn dogs well or rice stock whatever they call them yeah and if you're not watching this because
00:50:17.420 i would have put some korea pizzas on on screen here uh you should google korean pizzas because
00:50:23.020 yeah just no for real yeah they're expensive too though they're pricey
00:50:32.220 when i die and i'm a dog then i'm gonna take care of the whole world and
00:50:41.340 oh do you mean you get all my stuff when i die yeah who told you about that
00:50:46.380 nobody i just failed it you just figured it out yourself yeah
00:50:50.300 wait so then are you going to try to kill me till you get my stuff
00:50:57.820 no you're going to die yourself
00:51:01.260 okay that makes sense i'm i'm done with that you make me a grandpa
00:51:04.300 and you get all my stuff okay deal