Pragmaxxing
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In this episode, we talk about the concept of maxing, and why it's important to have a healthy version of yourself in order to maximize your potential. We also talk about maxing as a cultural group, and how it can be applied across society.
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one person in a comment, he goes, why are you trying to make the future a better place
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if you won't experience that future? And it's, bro, you are so missing the plot. So what,
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as Simone said, we have a different iteration of how we see ourselves.
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If I lived for, let's say 100,000 years, right? I would be such a radically different person at
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the end of that period that there is no way I would have any meaningful connection to who I
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am today. Yeah, it's pointless. It's pointless. The person you're going to be in even 10 years
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is not going to be you. So why are you trying to preserve it? Yeah. And if I did try to preserve
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it, if I did successfully preserve it, if in a hundred thousand years, I was meaningfully the
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same person I am today, well, then I didn't improve. I didn't better myself and I shouldn't
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still be around. I am a pointless, wretched thing. If I improved so little over a hundred thousand
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years that I am still recognizable as a Malcolm, that is sad and sickening. And so why do I care
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that I can't see the better world that I'm trying to create? It is a world not meant for me. It is a
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world that I would sully with my very presence. Moses on the mountain, you are not meant to live
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in the promised land because you are wretched. You are trying to lead the way for the people who
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will get to experience the promised land because they deserve it in a way that not a single person
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alive today does. Would you like to know more? Welcome to base camp where one person has a
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conversation with themselves two times over once as themselves and once in drag. I'm Malcolm Collins
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dressed as a woman. And this with me here today is also Malcolm Collins, but this time dressed as a
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man. Yes. I would love it if we pretended that's what our show was. Like we convinced people that it
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really is just one person with a synthesizer talking to themselves. Yeah. So we wanted to talk
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about maxing because this has really become a thing recently, you know, whether it's looks maxing or
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trans maxing or we see it across society. And when I want to talk about the allure of it and if we
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could create an iteration of it that is healthy because a lot of it is just almost intrinsically
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unhealthy. Yeah. Whenever you are. So I understand why it's emotionally appealing, right? This idea of
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I'm just going to go a hundred percent whole hog into whatever thing it is I'm doing. I'm just going
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to say, okay, at every level, how do I optimize the outcome, right? That I'm trying to achieve. And
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that can create this sort of Zen state. Yeah. It's a sort of forced hedonistic stoicism where it's
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hedonistic in that you're maxing a thing, but it's stoic in that you are as intelligently as possible
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trying to think through how do I actually maximize this thing and as disinterestedly and soberly as
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possible. And that can create you to view things in a very different way. And it's much easier to
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apply that to a specific modality than it is to say, well, what if I took this maxing mindset
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and applied it to my entire life? So that's one thing that we wanted to talk about with this,
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but then we wanted to say all of this within the context of if we're creating healthy maxing,
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well, then we need to think about maxing as a cultural group. Like how do you max our cultural
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group? And this comes to defining our cultural group outside of just our religion or whatever,
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right? I mean like the wider group, the type of people who watch our videos, the type of people
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who are part of this sort of new conservative movement in America. And I think a really good
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acronym for engaging with this group is not one that applies to it, but one that applies to another
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group, which is tessacralism. Have you heard of this?
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It's used to explain like the cluster of things that EAs are into. Transhumanism,
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extrapanism, singulitarianism, cosmism, rationalism, effective altruism, and long-termism.
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I mean, you definitely see some of these. Transhumanism, singulitarianism, rationalism,
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effective altruism, and long-termism definitely like cluster together within this community.
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And one of the things that I've noted is that within our community, you get a separate area
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of clustered interests, which are education reform or working on alternate education systems,
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space travel, like interested in making us an interplanetary species, bioaccelerationism,
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you know, so sort of like trying to do like our use of genetic technology with our kids,
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or artificial wombs, or stuff like that. AI accelerationism, I'd actually argue with the
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other community, anti-AISM or AI panic is a core aspect of their philosophy.
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Anti-censorship, economic liberalism, so basically economic side of libertarianism,
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like looser government controls and stuff like that. Often this is seen in like city-state
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interests, like being interested in like creating outside city-states.
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Yeah. Pro-sexuality, but not engaged in sexuality hedonistically, but just interesting from like a
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study perspective. Like they're not afraid to engage with it, but they don't engage with it to
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And nerd culture. And maybe somebody can come up with some sort of acronym for this group. But I was
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like, well, could you create through combining these different philosophies and why this group has
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these different philosophies? So what's actually like driving this group to have all these different
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philosophies that differentiate so much from the EA community? I think the EA community above all
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things is driven by a terrified fear of death and not existing anymore. They're so afraid of AI killing
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them all. They're so afraid of progress. They're so afraid of dying. You know, life extensionism is
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critical for them. Like digitizing the human mind is critical for them. This focus on both maintaining
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stasis and then within that stasis, making it as pleasant as possible. Whereas this other group,
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they are much more interested in moving forwards as quickly as possible and in intergenerationally
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improving as much as possible while seeing themselves as disposable. One of the, you know,
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obviously I'd say one of the avatars. No, I would, so I would word that a little bit differently. I
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would say, you know, by having a very different definition of what self is, that is more expansive
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than the individual biological being or some kind of continuous consciousness. The point being is that
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all of these ideologies are based on one specific outcome, which is building a sort of a pluralistic
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intergenerationally improving and robust humanity. And robust means multi-planetary almost intrinsically
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and expanding, right? Creating the seeds of what becomes the human empire, the great interplanetary
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human empire. And that this is something that can be maxed. Dedicating your life to this philosophy
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is something that can be maxed. And I guess I'll call it prag maxing. And I'll make a little thing
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because it's something that I think a lot of people would feel is worth spending their lives
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on. You know, as we've said, one of the books that is core to our ideology, probably the most
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core other than the pragmatist guy to crafting religion is the martyrdom of man. This book,
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all the parts that you would want to read from it are quoted in the pragmatist guy to crafting
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religion. So you don't need to buy it separately. It was written a really long time ago. In fact,
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it was canonically Sherlock Holmes' favorite book. And in the real world, it was the favorite book
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of people like Cecil Rhodes, who created the Rhodes Scholarship, but also less, more ignominiously.
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So, you know, there's a lot of like big deal, like people throughout history have really taken
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this book. And I think we've forgotten it because the author died so young. But he did contribute to
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other books. Like he contributed to The Descent of Man, Charles Darwin's, you know, book on the
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Evelation of Humanity, which is really interesting. I didn't know that until I was reading about this
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So, but the core thesis of the book is that mankind is constantly martyring themselves for
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future generations. And he has this whole passage in the book, which I absolutely love, basically
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written exactly to you, the reader in the 21st century, saying, don't you dare question us for what
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we're doing in our time in the same way that we wouldn't question our ancestors because we live
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such privileged lives because of the sacrifices that they made for us. And that this intergenerational
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process is something that we can all indulge in. Martyrdom is always something an individual can
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indulge in, but it's very important. And this is something that you were making clear to me earlier
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today, that indulging in martyrdom is not indulging in suffering. If you are truly pragmaxing,
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you are both eschewing, indulging in suffering or indulging in happiness. Both emotional subsets
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can lead to just as much inefficiency. Do you want to talk about this? Because you were really
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passionate about that this morning. Yeah. We were talking, you and I were disagreeing about the fact,
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I argued, for example, that suffering isn't important or doesn't matter in the same way that
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pleasure doesn't matter. And that there are lots of people who totally miss Skip A Beat and they're
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like, oh, pleasure is bad. It's sinful. Therefore, suffering is good. And I'm going to achieve
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purity or somehow become morally better by suffering. And they become obsessed with suffering and showing
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that they're suffering. And genuinely, I think you can become obsessed with suffering and sort of just
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accidentally masochistic. So you become a suffering maxer. And there are lots of, I think, people
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throughout history, especially in the Catholic Church, who kind of can be seen as doing this.
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And I think that is just as sinful as maximizing pleasure, for sure. Because you're missing the
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point. You've lost the plot. Yeah. And we should point out the Catholic
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sects that engage, that many people would think engage in suffering actually don't that much in
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the way that she's saying. So if you talk about the Opus Dei, they're the Catholic sect that's famous
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for whipping themselves and stuff. They do that to have better emotional control. They are supposed to
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always smile and always act happy around anyone that they're engaging with and to always feel happy
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because that is something that they are supposed to be able to emotionally control. And that if you
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actually around Opus Dei people, they are remarkably cheery people because they do have this emotional
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control. So it's more just people who lose the plot. This isn't actually Catholic teaching that you
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should do this, but sometimes people miss it. They see the aesthetics of suffering and they're like,
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oh, I'm going to go all the way with that. And this is something that anyone can accidentally end up
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doing. So what does it really mean to pragmex it? If we're framing it this way, like living for this
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value set, the human empire, the pluralistic, thriving, multi-planetary humanity that has become
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this outwardly expanding force in the universe and this force of good in the universe for a form of
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humanity that is, as he calls it in the martyrdom of man, you radiant beings of which I cannot even
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imagine, that it's become something that is perhaps even alien to us today. How do you dedicate
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yourself to that? What does it look like to max around this? And I would say, this is what it looks
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like. It's basically four simple steps. And we actually out like this in the Pragmatist Guide to
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Life. First, you determine what has value. In this case, we sort of laid it out, but you could
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determine slight iterations of this. This is the thing that has value in the universe. Then you say,
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how do I maximize that thing in the universe? And this will involve different things at different
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stages of your life. When you're young, it might be wife-finding maxing. It might be education maxing.
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How do I actually maximize myself to be the ultimate educated tool when I become an adult?
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How do I maximize myself to find the perfect spouse before I become an adult? At our age,
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it could be parent maxing. Okay. Freeze all the eggs during the year of the harvest. Go through
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them. Genetically select them. You know, the output as many humans as possible. Give them the perfect
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environment. Oh, the education system's not good. Let's create a new one. This is something that we
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can all do together because when we create one of these resources, like the school that we're creating,
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hopefully it's usable by all other people who are Pragmaxing. And the people who are Pragmaxing,
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one of the key things that I think is important to the concept of Pragmaxing, which we've talked about
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in other videos, is that not every individual is born the same. Some people are actually born smarter
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than other people, taller than other people, with more resources than other people. And depending
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on your circumstances, a different path may be the optimal path to Pragmax. Having kids isn't the way
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that everybody Pragmax is. There could be other ways you could support the development of this human
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empire and the forces that are arrayed against it in the world today. I mean, what's so great about
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pronatalism in this larger movement is our enemies. Like, as I say, I actually think ethelism is logically
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consistent. This is the negative utilitarian beliefs that we'll discuss in a video I'll link to. It's a
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video on these academics want to kill all life in the universe. They basically believe that
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suffering is the only thing that matters. And the goal of every human should be to end
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any potential of suffering in the future. That means killing all life in the universe and any
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potential for life coming to exist in the universe. And what's fun is we have these two diametrically
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opposed movements, the one that's tied to the pronatalist movement and one that's tied to the
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antinatalist movement. And it feels so nice to have an opposing force that I can be so assured is evil
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that they have an authoritarian philosophy. It only works if everyone believes what they believe.
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They would never say they're authoritarian. Let's be clear.
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Yeah, but it's intrinsically authoritarian because they do say that it only works if everyone believes
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this or they kill everyone who doesn't believe it. Whereas the pragmatist movement is totally happy
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with their movement existing so long as they don't mess with us. It's an intrinsically pluralistic
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movement that thrives on our differences. It's a movement that says, oh, we're okay with you guys.
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It's a movement that wants to make humanity better, happier, even though happiness doesn't matter.
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It's an intrinsic part of the things that we're doing, thriving more complicated in more places
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and able to assist other species as we run across them in so far as they are not a threat to us.
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And this divide between this open, optimistic, forward-thinking, pluralistic movement and this
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movement that is authoritarian and wants to erase all life in the universe, it's fun that we're living
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in an era, I think, of real heroes and villains and that you can choose to dedicate yourself to this.
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The key and what makes it different from other types of maxing is that you want to understand
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that there isn't one way to maximize for it. An individual who is born in a circumstance where
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finding a partner isn't in the cards for them can still 100% participate in it, but in different ways.
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An individual throughout your life, you're going to have different mini games that you're playing.
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And the great thing is your biology is adapted to this, man. One of the saddest things I ever see
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is that so many people, they're playing the games from earlier ages. They're in their 30s and they're
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trying to maximize sexual partners. And it's like, bro, that's sad. Because you're still going to be
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doing that when you're in your 80s. You get to play different games at different parts of our life.
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And yeah, okay, you lost a game at one part of your life. And now that sort of changes the path
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that you're on. For example, you didn't get into this until you were 50. That means, okay,
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you don't have a spouse or something like that. Or you're never going to have kids that are
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biologically yours or something like that because technology is not going to catch up. Whatever,
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man, you got your own game you can make focused on the end goal. It was the question being,
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what am I trying to maximize? What do I think is a good path for our species? And then what can I
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personally do? And who can I personally become that best maximizes that outcome? While understanding
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that it's important whenever you absolutely attempt to do something without a single flaw
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in your plan, you end up destroying yourself. You know, I know that I do things that are
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antithetical to my goals, like drink beer, for example. But I also know that I am a flawed human
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being. You know, I am wretched. I am man. And that is part of our nature. We shouldn't expect
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more than that. But we can try for more than that. Because future iterations of us won't be
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the future radiant beings of which we can only dream, in the words of Woodward Reed, who wrote
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The Martyrdom of Man. And I am excited for that. And people are like, one person in a comment, he goes,
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why are you trying to make the future a better place? If you won't experience that future?
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And it's, bro, you are so missing the plot. So what, as Simone said, we have a different iteration
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of how we see ourselves. And that's cute. I don't think I'm meaningfully the same person I was 20
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years ago. And I don't think I'm meaningfully going to be the same person I was in 20 years.
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I think I am about as close to who I was at the age of four as I am to my kid, who's four.
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Like, we intergenerationally travel through our cultural group, through our cultural clusters,
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and through our genetic lines sometimes. And that's fine. You know, every human is to an extent,
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a reflection of ourselves, insofar as they are like us. And that to try to stay the same,
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to try to, if I lived for, let's say, 100,000 years, right? I would be such a radically different
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person at the end of that period. There is no way I would have any meaningful connection to who I am
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today. Yeah, it's pointless. It's pointless. The person you're going to be in even 10 years is not
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going to be you. So why are you trying to preserve it? Yeah. And if I did try to preserve it, if I did
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successfully preserve it, if in 100,000 years I was meaningfully the same person I am today,
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well, then I didn't improve. I didn't better myself. And I shouldn't still be around. I am a
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pointless, wretched thing if I improved so little over 100,000 years that I am still recognizable as
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a Malcolm. That is sad and sickening. And so why do I care that I can't see the better world that
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I'm trying to create? It is a world not meant for me. It is a world that I would sully with my very
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presence. Moses on the mountain, you are not meant to live in the promised land because you are
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wretched. You are trying to lead the way for the people who will get to experience the promised
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land because they deserve it in a way that not a single person alive today does. Right. But it's
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extremely hard for someone who grows up in today's society that speaks exactly the opposite
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message to wrap their head around something like that. I think it might be hard to wrap their head
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around it. But when you let go, when you say, look, what this world is presenting me with isn't
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working. Like clearly it's not working. I see it in my friends. They're all depressed and seeing all
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these psychologists and have all these mental health issues and society isn't working. The one
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that I'm a member of. When you see that and you think, well, maybe I could just try a different way
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of looking at the world. I can just try a mental framing for a while. Try pragmaxing for a while.
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You might find it works remarkably good and it fits remarkably snugly because I believe it is how we
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were made to pursue life as humans, because we know that we are actually living as meaningful a life
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as we can. I would say like as post-industrial or post-tech age humans. I mean, in the past,
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really humans were just trying to survive. Let's be honest with ourselves.
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You look at the Victorian period where this book comes from. Whenever somebody was able to escape
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the grind was in these older periods. Yeah, whenever they were wealthy or privileged enough,
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whenever they weren't trying to survive, but most people were just trying to survive.
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Right. But those were the ones moving society forwards. We, the blessed ones who have inherited
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all of their sacrifices and the benefits of all of their sacrifices, most of us live in a world where
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we don't have to dedicate our lives to just trying to survive. That's true.
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Most of us, most of the listeners of this podcast, yeah, you might have a grueling nine to five or
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longer, let's be honest today, but almost everyone can do something to try to move society forward,
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to try to move the world forwards in a way that historically people couldn't do. Because I think
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one thing, if you haven't studied history, is we vastly underestimate how horrifying the lives were
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of the average person. And as Wynwood Reed wrote in, this was like in the 1870s, 1860s,
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he pointed out that even in his age, the average British person lived a life better than the kings
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of the Anglo-Saxon period. And he was right about that. And I'd say today, the average person lives
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a life better than the queen during that period. You know, this is the cycle that we are a part of.
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And I am excited for that. And I understand you can be like, well, it can be hard to reframe
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yourself around it. And I know not everyone is meant to, but some people will see this as a
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potential message that they can optimize around. They get maxing, but they don't want to max
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something pointless, like looks. Like why does looks matter?
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I, I, I, I, okay. Yeah. He's saying why the looks matter. It's like saying, why does intelligence
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matter? Why does height matter? Why does money matter? Why does intelligence matter?
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Looks. Yeah. Maxing, educating yourself does matter because it can help you see the world better. It
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can help you see the world more true. And through that, you can better choose what you're maxing for.
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Maxing for looks gives you no additional real utility.
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So? Women are treated differently. This is why these two communities overlap so much.
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The people who are like, well, I'll be treated better potentially. Yeah. No, come on, Simone.
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Be, be realistic here. Yeah. They're treated better. You get an easier life. That's a hedonistic
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objective function. Hedonistic objective functions always destroy. You know, what if, yeah. But if you
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want to influence society in various ways, if you want to rally people around a cause that is
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important, like all these things are easier when you're attractive. So that could be a form of
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prag maxing. If you are looks maxing for the influence it is giving you. Yeah. But then you are
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only looks maxing was in certain parameters. You are not infinitely looks maxing. Yeah. You are looks
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maxing with a specific goal while keeping in mind that there are types of looks maxing that may not
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be attractiveness, which can achieve that in. If you look looks max to look like a certain stereotype
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of a certain person within society that people listen to, you can achieve more reach. You can looks
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max to be like Gorlock the destroyer. You know, everyone's familiar with that meme. I'll post a picture
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of it. People will pay more attention to her than every other woman at that table. So long as she's
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saying interesting things, because she looks maxed in an interesting way while combined with personality
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maxing and everything like that. Yeah. Drag maxing is about understanding why you're doing this, not
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just so that things can be easier for you, but so that you can achieve some greater goal in the world.
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Yeah. That's, that's broadly fair. So, but while also understanding that what you are maxing for
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is going to shift as you age to achieve this outcome and that again, you shouldn't try to
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achieve what the, you know, everyone else in your community is doing, you play a specific role. We
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all play a certain role in this plan design and you are best positioned to know what role you are most
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likely to be able to maximize. And I'm excited for that. I'm excited that we live in an age, as you've
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said, historically, yeah, there were people in the Victorian period who were able to move society
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forward because they were born with wealth and privilege. We live in a world today where, you
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know, 80% of Americans are functionally born with that level of wealth and privilege, that they
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have the option to think on their own. I think we, that is part of why we're having this awakening
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that, oh shit, the powers in our society are lying to us. The media is lying to us. These
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organizations are lying to us because the average person can speak for themselves now and can help
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defeat these organizations that had hoped to imprison humanity in an age of stagnation.
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And that is fundamentally what I think the traditionalist EA movement was all about. That's
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what they meant when they say, you know, I'm afraid of AI advancing. I am afraid of, I am afraid of dying,
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you know, so I've got to do life extensionism. I am afraid of the world really changing. We talk
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about this in our villain video, which is interesting that so much of our media today, the person who
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wants to change the world is the villain. And then the person who is attempting to maintain the status
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quo is the hero. I mean, this is constantly the theme of Kingsman. I'm not saying I agree with all the
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villains of Kingsman. It's status quo versus change the world. They have tried to drill this into your
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head. People with power in any system always benefit from the status quo. That is what allows them to
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maintain their power. Thus, people with power in a culture will always frame anyone trying to make
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things better, trying to change things as the villain. But, and I can tell you this with certainty,
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the real heroes in this world are never the people fighting to maintain the status quo.
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They are people with a vision for how they can make the world a better place and who act on that
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vision. Now, it's possible to try to make the world a better place and still be a villain, but it is
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impossible to be a hero and fight for the status quo. When we look through history, when we look at the
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people who have really moved our society forward, these were people who were most often hated by
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the people in positions of power within their lifetime and framed as villains by the people
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with positions of power in their lifetimes. And as that one person said, Malcolm, how can you
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do all of this when you won't receive any of the rewards for your actions, when you won't get to live
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in that world that you are potentially creating or receive any accolades from the masses? I'm already
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receiving all of the benefits any human actually fighting for good can hope for, which is to know
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that if they succeed, that in the future people will be appreciative of what they've done or did
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or sacrificed. And if they fail, then they are undeserving of any appreciation. So I should work
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every day to be among the elect, those who do make the world a better place, those whose lives did have a
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positive impact on human history and human flourishing. I don't choose whether or not my life
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matters, but I do choose whether or not my life might matter. And my efforts control the probability
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as to whether or not my life might matter. And that is a great thing because not every human in human
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history had that potentiality when they were born, but almost everyone listening to this podcast does.
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So the question is, do you take that burden? Do you bear that responsibility or do you shirk
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it in the pursuit of vanity and hedonism? But enough people are waking up now that if just
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the competent people who are free from the system work together and decide for themselves how to best
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impact this change that we could see in the world, we can do it. We can do it. We can really do it.
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It's a winnable battle. If the channel had a motto, it would be, thank God our enemies are not as
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competent as they are malevolent. There you go. Yeah. I mean, I agree with you. Max for a purpose.
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And I'm sorry for your coughing. That looked really painful. I am dying again.
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But you see, you are showing happiness to our audience because they don't need to suffer for
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your suffering. I do not. I don't need to suffer for your suffering.
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I know you go through a lot to create this constant heaven that I live in.
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As do you. And it's 100% worth it. I love it. Very satisfying.
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And I want you to answer the question that the person asked. I think it's an important question.
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Why are you trying to create a better world, even if you won't be able to live in it?
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It's such a bizarre question. I mean, right? Because that's the game. You leave the campsite
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better off than when you came. You want to create a better world for your children. Everything is
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iterative. You're trying to get better. This is a relay race where you're trying to, you know,
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end up with someone a little bit further ahead. Move us along.
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I think it shows how when you have framed the world from this ultra-progressive, you know,
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urban monoculture, virus, the cult, whatever you want to call it, mindset,
00:30:24.260
things that we would think are just obvious can seem like insane. Why would I want to improve
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things for anyone that's not me? Yeah. Why would I?
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We see in the inverse when we look at antinatalists or elephists. They couldn't understand a world in
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which a complete obsession with suffering and or pleasure is not paramount. It's just cultural
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differences. That's all. You know, we don't see ourselves the same way that other groups see
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ourselves. We don't see pleasure or pain the same way other people see themselves. And we have
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extremely clear values that are not what you would call normative. So...
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I think you're wrong. I think everyone who thinks about it comes to our value set.
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I think this is why we see it bumbling up. Well, I think, you know, most people who have kids,
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especially if they have kids not as props or pets to make them happy, hold this view. Definitely,
00:31:18.080
they, you know, everything becomes about giving them a better shot. 100%. But I also know that a lot
00:31:24.060
of people have kids as Hidomnic pets or props as part of a... Oh, absolutely. You're right. Yeah. And this is
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what he says in The Martyrdom of Man. He says that regardless of whether or not, and I'm paraphrasing
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here, regardless of whether or not you're in a position where you can engage with philanthropy
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or advanced science, that doesn't matter. You have lived a good life insofar as you have tried
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to make the next generation better than the last. Yeah. That's our thing. I love you, Simone.