Based Camp - Pronatalist Propaganda in Anime： Grandpa and Grandma Turn Young Again

00:00:00.000 But now I want to talk about some of the prenatalist propaganda in it as well.

00:00:03.020 And I would say it's almost to the point where it takes you out of the plot as a viewer.

00:00:08.860 There's one scene where the old lady goes to an old store that she used to frequent in the train station.

00:00:16.620 And the train station's completely deserted.

00:00:18.600 And the store owner, Mark, they're probably going to be going out of business soon.

00:00:21.780 But what can you do?

00:00:23.140 This is just the way it is with changing demographics.

00:00:25.180 And the old person turns around and gets one of those black miasma anger things around them. 0.99

00:00:32.840 And she goes, but we need to resist this.

00:00:36.560 Why are we not even fighting?

00:00:38.940 The show is meant to encourage you to not like normal anime, thirst after young women. 0.92

00:00:45.380 But make you thirst after a long and happy relationship.

00:00:49.000 That is what the whole show is.

00:00:50.560 Because this is a thirst trap for getting married and having a long, happy relationship and being intergenerationally invested in your family.

00:00:57.200 Would you like to know more?

00:00:58.600 Hello, Simone. 0.69

00:00:59.480 I am excited to be here with you today.

00:01:01.200 And we are going to be doing something we haven't done in a while on this podcast, which is discuss anime.

00:01:08.000 Because I am a big anime fan.

00:01:11.560 And you are a medium anime fan.

00:01:14.800 But you're very good to lean into the culture and everything like that.

00:01:18.820 Like you used to dress up for conventions and everything, right?

00:01:21.760 I was president and founder of my high school's anime club.

00:01:25.060 I've been to numerous anime conventions across multiple countries.

00:01:29.920 I love anime.

00:01:30.920 I just don't watch it because I don't have time.

00:01:33.760 Huh?

00:01:34.440 What other country other than the U.S.?

00:01:36.040 The U.K.

00:01:36.460 I went to an anime convention in the U.K.

00:01:38.420 It was fantastic.

00:01:39.440 Were you at Cambridge?

00:01:40.280 No, actually.

00:01:41.200 I was randomly traveling in the U.K.

00:01:42.840 And I had a day free and there was an anime convention.

00:01:45.540 And I'm like, screw it.

00:01:46.520 I'm obviously not going to go to the British Museum.

00:01:48.720 I'm going to go to an anime convention because that's how people spend their time.

00:01:52.740 So this last year, we were in the U.K. for ARC, which is like a conservative convention.

00:01:57.760 And you were wearing one of your traditional outfits, which you often wear similar to this.

00:02:02.900 And a bunch of anime goers, because there was an anime convention at the same time.

00:02:06.260 I was actually wearing my fascist outfit, not this one.

00:02:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:09.680 More fascist.

00:02:10.520 They still thought I was cosplaying, though.

00:02:12.160 They thought you were cosplaying.

00:02:13.360 They're like, oh, who are you cosplaying now?

00:02:15.320 I'm like, that's so great.

00:02:17.560 But we are going to be talking about in this episode an anime that I think is really interesting

00:02:22.040 for a number of reasons.

00:02:23.480 Yeah.

00:02:23.860 So I'll break down the reasons why it's interesting to me.

00:02:27.080 One is the pro-natalist propaganda, which is put throughout the anime and is very heavy

00:02:34.740 handed and I think very effective because it paints the reality of Japan as it is today 0.91

00:02:42.020 or rural Japan, which is depopulating right now, in this very stark term.

00:02:46.780 So we'll get to that.

00:02:48.060 Two, it is an anime that is incredibly simplistic in terms of the characters it presents and the

00:02:56.900 roles it gives them.

00:02:58.600 But yet, despite being in the plot structure more broadly...

00:03:03.380 It's sort of a slice of lifestyle anime.

00:03:05.960 Very chill.

00:03:06.700 Very elegant.

00:03:07.620 You could say it's very cookie cutter in many respects, and yet I think it is incredibly

00:03:11.780 effective as a piece of art, which is really worth highlighting about this show.

00:03:17.900 As to why it's effective as a piece of art, I'll just quickly go into this because I

00:03:22.660 think that this is useful to talk about and it can bring us into the plot of the show

00:03:26.540 really quickly.

00:03:27.100 Despite being very generic in almost everything it lays out, and I'm like, okay, if I'm judging

00:03:31.660 art by art's quality, right, I'm judging it on three metrics, okay?

00:03:37.060 The first metric, is it able to invoke the emotional states that it is attempting to invoke

00:03:42.900 in me?

00:03:43.600 Art can be used to invoke emotional states.

00:03:46.580 This anime does that spectacularly well.

00:03:49.960 Two, and this is a personal preference thing, are those emotional states positive?

00:03:54.660 Yeah.

00:03:54.900 Um, I do not want to watch shows that just make me cringe or make me sad or-

00:04:00.340 That are just incredibly dark, yeah.

00:04:02.220 Yeah, I find that unpleasant in a show, and this is-

00:04:04.860 Code Geass.

00:04:05.740 I would not say that makes me feel good.

00:04:07.960 What show?

00:04:08.680 Code Geass.

00:04:10.120 Code Geass?

00:04:11.000 Oh no, I really like all the strategy in Code Geass.

00:04:13.380 So you found it intellectually stimulating enough where all the dark sadness didn't get to you.

00:04:18.420 Yeah, no, it's a power fantasy, and it's my kind of power fantasy because I identify

00:04:23.080 with Leluke so much.

00:04:25.500 Come on.

00:04:26.940 Rolo.

00:04:28.760 Justice for Rolo. 0.81

00:04:30.240 Justice for Rolo. 0.81

00:04:32.040 Anyway, we have another episode where we talk about Code Geass that people can go check

00:04:36.200 out if they want.

00:04:37.140 But anyway, it very effectively makes me feel an emotional set.

00:04:41.040 And you watched some of it too.

00:04:41.980 You'd agree.

00:04:42.480 The conveyor of emotional set.

00:04:44.120 Oh yeah, nailed it.

00:04:44.660 It's very wholesome.

00:04:46.360 It does a very good job of conveying what a good marriage is, what it feels like to be

00:04:54.200 in a good marriage, why you would want that from an emotional perspective.

00:04:59.900 But I also think the feeling of real love, it conveys very well.

00:05:04.360 So you're going to, after this huge buildup, are you going to name the anime?

00:05:08.180 Yes, I'm going to name the anime and describe the plot.

00:05:10.180 Okay.

00:05:10.360 Okay.

00:05:10.900 So the name of the anime is Grandpa and Grandma Turn Young Again.

00:05:16.480 It sounds like a kid book title, right?

00:05:19.560 It does.

00:05:20.320 Grandpa and Grandma Turn Young Again.

00:05:21.640 It's a book as well.

00:05:22.660 But the anime is incredibly, this new way of titling anime titles, where it's like a

00:05:29.260 long title and it's just descriptive of the plot of the show.

00:05:32.340 The long tail title, yeah.

00:05:33.320 It's become this recent thing in anime in like the past two to three years.

00:05:36.740 I think it makes sense because when you do internet searches for streaming shows, you're

00:05:39.700 often just searching by what you know of the plot, like what you've seen in AMVs, what

00:05:43.840 you've heard from people talking online.

00:05:46.100 It's, oh, what's that anime where the grandpa and grandpa turn young again?

00:05:49.040 What's that anime where the character is a main character and overconfident?

00:05:53.380 That's like the way anime is named these days.

00:05:55.080 But anyway.

00:05:55.580 What about that anime where they slay demons?

00:05:58.820 No, that's not as good because demon slayer actually sounds like it.

00:06:00.980 But grandma and grandpa turn young again.

00:06:02.340 So the show is about an old loving couple in Japan that eat a magical apple and become, they

00:06:11.720 gain the ability to transform into their younger selves whenever they go to sleep.

00:06:15.940 So basically they turn young again.

00:06:18.120 And actually the final thing that a show needs to do to be good art, it needs to make me think.

00:06:23.980 It needs to make me have new ideas that I've never had before.

00:06:27.000 Yes.

00:06:27.320 This show is remarkably effective at that.

00:06:30.860 In other words, it needs to change you.

00:06:32.620 You need to come out from watching that show a different person fundamentally than who you

00:06:36.740 were coming into it.

00:06:37.400 And that is valuable art for sure.

00:06:39.160 Yeah.

00:06:39.220 And I would argue that anybody who watches this show, and it's an only one season show

00:06:43.660 and I don't think they're going to, I haven't watched the last episode yet.

00:06:46.140 I am on the last episode right now, but it's pretty heavily foreshadowed that the couple's

00:06:51.400 going to die in the last episode.

00:06:53.040 So it's not like you're going to get another season.

00:06:55.160 The last episode, by the way, I've since watched it, is incredibly strong.

00:06:59.400 It's a short, tight, really high quality show that's going to make you have new ideas.

00:07:04.620 But the thing is, how does it get people to have new ideas?

00:07:07.560 How does it push a pronatal estrogen?

00:07:09.080 And how does it push like positive themes about relationships and stuff?

00:07:11.980 So the first thing that it does, just over and over throughout the show, is it's made me

00:07:18.360 realize by having the couple be young, attractive, like the anime protagonist looking, but then

00:07:27.220 doing things that you see old people do all the time, it humanizes those actions. 0.99

00:07:33.880 And I realized that I hadn't considered just how kind most old people are because I saw them as

00:07:43.580 like this different class of human that has different expectations around them.

00:07:48.660 Yeah, different standards.

00:07:49.860 But also the brilliant thing is simultaneously they are modeling and creating an attractive

00:07:55.400 aspirational model for a functional, happy relationship, which is beautiful because that's

00:08:02.300 a big problem these days.

00:08:03.480 People don't have a good model for what a healthy marriage looks like. 0.99

00:08:08.220 And so it's brilliant to take an old person relationship and subvert it into a young person,

00:08:14.000 like hot young person relationship.

00:08:15.820 And it does a great job of elevating the values of earlier generations by making them young and

00:08:23.180 hot and in a modern context, but still living with those older values.

00:08:28.580 Having made sacrifices, having lived with austerity, having, yeah.

00:08:32.300 And we should talk about some of the austerity that's constantly, so I'll go over a quote

00:08:37.160 from the show right here to give you an idea of the type of values that they teach.

00:08:41.200 But there's a line here where they go, extravagance is the enemy, wanting things is wrong, the

00:08:46.360 mentality of restraint that was drummed into us during the show on era.

00:08:50.640 And it also shows a lot because there's occasional flashbacks to their early relationship, what it

00:08:55.700 was like dating during World War II and the environment that created for them.

00:09:01.720 But it also recontextualizes the point of marriage.

00:09:04.080 Here's like an action that was recontextualized for me in the show, is in the show, they're

00:09:09.100 constantly trying to hook up their grandkids with other kids so that they can have great

00:09:15.620 grandkids, right?

00:09:16.380 That's the goal, right?

00:09:18.240 And it is, as a young person, when you see this action, it feels like somebody is being

00:09:24.400 intrusive into your life, right?

00:09:27.080 That is the way that people contextualize parents hooking them up and stuff like that.

00:09:33.320 Yeah.

00:09:33.600 It's seen negatively these days, like meddling.

00:09:36.620 Yeah.

00:09:36.980 And in the show, you realize, oh God, it's not meddling at all.

00:09:41.560 It's that families are intergenerational units.

00:09:44.680 And this is the way that old people relate to new relationships. 0.62

00:09:49.660 It's something I often think about myself.

00:09:51.540 What kind of people are my kids going to date?

00:09:53.260 What kind of people are my kids going to marry?

00:09:54.920 How can I help them?

00:09:55.860 Yeah.

00:09:55.940 Honestly, most of the friendships that we establish now are established in an effort

00:10:00.040 to build a friendship and dating and professional network for our children.

00:10:04.680 Yeah.

00:10:05.040 And it made me recontextualize it.

00:10:08.020 Oh, they're not doing that to meddle.

00:10:10.300 They're doing that because they want to help.

00:10:12.960 And it cannot be overstated just how much of a role parents and extended family used to

00:10:18.320 play in matchmaking and how much of this absence of this matchmaking contributes to

00:10:24.920 current relationship market failures.

00:10:27.100 Because no one really talked about that role.

00:10:29.180 And even back in the past, I think younger people used to complain about it or whinge about

00:10:34.060 it when really it played an invaluable role.

00:10:37.280 And parents put a ton of effort into this.

00:10:39.360 And people who watch Bridgerton can totally see this.

00:10:41.920 While Bridgerton is not very accurate in its costuming or plot or anything like that,

00:10:46.600 it is still pretty accurate in the involvement of parents in the matchmaking of their children

00:10:51.220 and the huge amount of effort that they put historically into finding good matches for their kids.

00:10:56.320 And it also takes a pretty hard anti-life extensionist stance, which I find very interesting and

00:11:02.840 obviously aligns with our value set.

00:11:04.780 There's a few very sweet scenes around that.

00:11:09.240 For example, in one scene, and this also shows like the way it gives you better models for

00:11:15.260 relating to your parents and other people in your life.

00:11:18.760 So there's one scene where the son who has become a doctor so that he could care for his elderly mom,

00:11:27.200 you know, because she had a chronic disease and that's what motivated him to become a doctor.

00:11:30.660 And she's just proud that he's a doctor.

00:11:33.620 Like she's just excited that he's a doctor.

00:11:35.680 And he feels like he's been a failure because he hasn't been able to cure her disease.

00:11:40.940 And it shows this misaligned expectation that you can sometimes get,

00:11:46.100 which is what does the grandmother, what does the mom want from her son? 1.00

00:11:50.640 It's to be successful and to have a family of his own.

00:11:53.920 But what does he want for her?

00:11:55.800 He wants to cure her, right?

00:11:57.340 And he is unaware that he has already fulfilled all of the expectations she may have had of him

00:12:05.180 and done the kindest thing he can for her through achieving his own success and stability.

00:12:11.140 He doesn't need to solve her problems to have served what she wants of him.

00:12:17.860 And there's also a great scene there that you'll probably tear up when you see it,

00:12:22.060 where the father turns old again because they don't realize that they can control this early on.

00:12:26.960 But she's still in her young body and the doctor's son is crying over this because he's,

00:12:33.480 okay, so this is the temporary thing and now she's going to turn old again and she's going to die.

00:12:37.820 And in the other room, she is also crying and very distraught.

00:12:42.720 But it is because she now believes that she's going to outlive her husband

00:12:47.380 and maybe even outlive her own children. 0.69

00:12:49.440 And I think that this shows this contrasting, that he sees the horror as her dying and yet she was totally okay with dying.

00:13:00.460 That is something that is made clear throughout the show.

00:13:03.220 Yeah, death is not a failure scenario once you have kids.

00:13:05.540 A great life.

00:13:07.540 There are a few times, there's another scenario where she begins to become worried that they might live forever

00:13:12.660 and she is consoled when the husband points out that, no, it's a metaphor in the show, hourglass.

00:13:18.580 It doesn't matter.

00:13:19.120 But he has seen that the sand's coming out of the hourglass and eventually they are going to die

00:13:23.720 and that they only have maybe a year or two of this.

00:13:27.200 So there's that one.

00:13:28.260 And then there's the other part of the thing there where he finds out,

00:13:31.960 this is after the part where you were watching, that she only has a couple days left to live, 0.97

00:13:35.920 but he has over a year left to live.

00:13:38.460 And so he secretly, without her knowing, of course, makes a deal with a shrine.

00:13:43.520 A spirit?

00:13:44.660 Yeah.

00:13:45.200 At their local Jinja or something?

00:13:47.020 To trade his lifespan so that they can die at the same time.

00:13:51.320 I would say that in a hot second. 0.95

00:13:53.060 I would, man, if only we could die at the same time.

00:13:55.940 Yeah, no, I feel so much better if I could do that.

00:13:59.020 That to me, when that happens in the show, he keeps it secret from her because he doesn't want her to know about this.

00:14:05.180 You would tell me and I'd be thrilled.

00:14:07.720 Yeah, me as a person watching this, you would understand and I would understand.

00:14:11.440 I would want, if I knew I could just trade a portion of my life to extend your life

00:14:16.260 and then we both die at the exact same time, that's like a win across the board.

00:14:21.220 As long as that's happening after our kids are sorted out.

00:14:24.080 Yeah, that would be the one caveat.

00:14:25.020 We both agree that if it comes down to both of us would die before we could get our kids in order,

00:14:30.340 then we'd just have one of us survive long enough to get them in order.

00:14:33.140 I was actually really surprised by her lucidity on this point.

00:14:37.540 And so I went to ask her, you know, to elaborate on her position on this later.

00:14:42.520 And she's just like, you know, knowing both of us the way she does,

00:14:46.440 that both of our quality of life would be so low without the other one,

00:14:49.980 that it would only make sense for one of us to trade part of our lifespan for the other person.

00:14:54.440 And when I heard that, I was like, yeah, that shows real, you know,

00:14:58.340 empathy and understanding of my perspective. And it really made me appreciate her.

00:15:03.300 Yeah. But I thought that was really interesting in terms of contextualization,

00:15:07.960 because usually when people do this life exchange trope in a show,

00:15:13.360 you feel like they are giving up something.

00:15:17.000 Oh, yeah. Like it's so tragic, et cetera, et cetera.

00:15:20.740 But when I saw it in this show, it was it's not played like that.

00:15:25.800 It's played as obviously this is what you would do.

00:15:28.680 Like, why would you do anything other than this?

00:15:31.840 This is just such the obvious choice when you are in a happy relationship and you like being with someone.

00:15:37.360 So it does a very good job at and showing the purpose of these people's lives is their family,

00:15:43.860 is the intergenerational part.

00:15:46.180 Yeah.

00:15:47.160 But now I want to talk about some of the pernatalist propaganda in it as well.

00:15:50.580 And it's I would say it's almost to the point where it takes you out of the plot as a viewer.

00:15:56.200 You're like, oh, wait, OK, we've got to the point where there's propaganda.

00:15:59.100 I liked it because it was a major theme of the show and it was a theme of the show that the show is meant to encourage you

00:16:08.540 to not like normal anime thirst after young women, but make you thirst after a long and happy relationship.

00:16:16.280 That is what the whole show is.

00:16:17.900 It's a thirst trap for getting married and having a long, happy relationship and being intergenerationally invested in your family.

00:16:24.360 But to give you an idea of like how dystopian it's framed as.

00:16:28.300 So two of the young people in the show who end up getting together and deciding to take over the family businesses,

00:16:34.480 the young girl actually from the beginning, Simone, she ends up deciding that she wants to take over the family's apple orchard.

00:16:40.520 And she is obviously slated to, you can see they like each other, become married and have kids with a young boy whose family also has an apple orchard,

00:16:49.920 not an apple orchard, a different type of farm in the area.

00:16:52.080 And one, the show paints this is this enormous sacrifice that these kids are doing this for their families.

00:16:57.440 Yeah, because all of the old people just expected to shut down all the farms. 1.00

00:17:01.960 That is the expectation in these communities these days.

00:17:05.960 And when the two young people were talking because they plant a tree together and they're go,

00:17:09.620 can I come back to this in 50 years?

00:17:11.520 And she's, of course.

00:17:12.740 And then they're imagining what that area of the country is going to be like in 50 years.

00:17:17.000 And they comment that they might be the only people left living in the area.

00:17:21.080 And it's made very clear in the show that they probably will be the only people left in the area.

00:17:25.120 There is a, one of the first episodes is on a sporting competition and the conflict was-

00:17:32.000 Yeah, between two little villages in the countryside.

00:17:33.580 Yeah, and between two little villages in the countryside is their village no longer has any young men to attend.

00:17:40.220 And the other village has this, it's seen as this super advantage,

00:17:44.140 like the almost the mean kids trope they play it as.

00:17:47.300 Except nobody's mean in this show.

00:17:48.700 The advantage they have is two young brothers.

00:17:51.820 And none of the other villages have that.

00:17:53.720 Yeah.

00:17:54.300 We have children.

00:17:55.500 We have youth.

00:17:56.980 Yeah, we have youth.

00:17:58.280 And it's one of those brothers who ends up dating the girls.

00:18:00.800 So it's one of these, everyone's nice in this, everyone's sweet, everyone gets happy endings in this.

00:18:05.480 You really don't need to worry about any negative emotions from this show.

00:18:08.460 But that's like what they're showing is they're imagining a completely depopulated region.

00:18:14.000 Whenever there's a side plot, like the Sun's company is failing and doing layoffs.

00:18:18.780 And they say they're failing because of changing demographics and because the people are disappearing.

00:18:23.280 There's one scene where like, this is what really took me out of it for a second,

00:18:27.560 where the old lady goes to an old store that she used to frequent in the train station. 0.96

00:18:34.100 And the train station's completely deserted.

00:18:36.080 And the store owner, Mark, they're probably going to be going out of business soon.

00:18:39.220 But what can you do?

00:18:40.560 This is just the way it is with changing demographics. 0.53

00:18:43.240 And the old person turns around and gets one of those like black miasma, 0.99

00:18:48.200 like anger things around them.

00:18:49.840 And she goes, but we need to resist this.

00:18:54.180 Why are we not even fighting?

00:18:56.560 And it's like a sign of, and it's what this show is,

00:19:00.880 which is to look starkly at the reality of demographic collapse

00:19:05.820 and then say, but you can fight this.

00:19:09.460 And you fight this with love and happiness and wholesomeness.

00:19:13.900 And stop with the degeneracy, okay?

00:19:18.500 Just be happy and wholesome and understand that happy and wholesomeness

00:19:22.300 includes degeneracy sometimes.

00:19:25.440 But that's not like a focus of the show, right?

00:19:28.240 Here I need to note that in the first episode of the show,

00:19:31.880 there are two or three jokes that are rather lewd about the grandchildren

00:19:39.980 thinking that the grandparents' younger forms are attractive.

00:19:44.740 This is not a theme that goes throughout the show.

00:19:47.240 It's just in the first episode.

00:19:49.340 And I guess they did it just to try to catch some horny young people

00:19:53.160 who are into more normal anime comedy

00:19:55.220 in an attempt to trick them into watching a wholesome show.

00:19:59.920 Which I really like as well.

00:20:01.800 So yeah, did you have thoughts on the show that you wanted to elevate?

00:20:06.320 I'm just thrilled that old people are getting some airtime. 1.00

00:20:13.020 I feel like old people don't get enough of it. 1.00

00:20:15.320 And it's nice also that Japan is, I think,

00:20:18.780 trying to humanize this population that is going to be

00:20:23.560 in a very delicate and precarious situation.

00:20:27.360 And it's an element of the pronatalist conversation

00:20:32.100 and demographic collapse conversation that actually isn't being had as much.

00:20:36.880 Originally, when people talked about demographic collapse,

00:20:39.000 they talked about who's going to take care of the old people. 0.96

00:20:41.160 And I haven't really heard that in any of the current discussions.

00:20:44.820 It's more like what are people of childbearing age going to be doing about this

00:20:48.940 instead of what about people who are retired and who need help

00:20:52.760 and who need attention and love

00:20:54.060 from an increasingly dwindling younger person population.

00:20:57.260 And so I appreciate the extent to which this also elevates the experiences

00:21:03.860 and worth and humanity of people who are more advanced in years, as it were.

00:21:10.340 I think more than older people,

00:21:12.180 it does a very good job of showcasing why a good marriage is desirable.

00:21:17.900 And I think that if you ever struggled, like, why would I get married?

00:21:21.920 Why would I compromise for somebody else?

00:21:24.620 In this show, both of the people heavily compromised for each other.

00:21:28.300 Oh, yeah.

00:21:28.500 It's actually made it pretty clear that when they got married,

00:21:32.460 they were both into each other,

00:21:36.380 but also had many reservations about the marriage.

00:21:39.680 In one of the flashbacks, she's asking,

00:21:44.260 could this farm boy really melt my heart?

00:21:47.220 And then in the present time, she's, oh, yes, he completely melted it

00:21:51.080 or completely or something like that.

00:21:52.760 She says in response to what's happening in the flashback.

00:21:55.460 But it's made clear that wasn't something that happened,

00:21:57.840 like, on their marriage day or something like that.

00:22:00.160 It was something that happened after a lifetime of dedication to each other.

00:22:04.980 And also what the point is in marriage,

00:22:08.680 and I think that this is one of the things

00:22:10.000 why some people can't have good marriages 0.97

00:22:12.280 when they've been too steeped in the urban monoculture,

00:22:15.320 is a line from the show where she's younger

00:22:18.760 and she said, before they get married, she goes,

00:22:20.260 I bring you so many unhappinesses,

00:22:21.700 it causes you so many problems to be with me.

00:22:24.500 And he goes, just making you happy,

00:22:26.660 just doing things that make you happy,

00:22:28.120 brings me so much happiness

00:22:29.580 that all of the other emotions that I'm being barraged with

00:22:32.880 become meaningless in the face of that.

00:22:36.420 And I think that's the way most happy married couples feel

00:22:40.300 about the way they interact with each other.

00:22:42.620 Yeah, I agree.

00:22:44.680 I agree.

00:22:46.620 I'm curious to see,

00:22:48.440 one, I feel like there might be some legislation in Japan

00:22:53.060 that is encouraging a certain amount of pronatalist propaganda

00:22:57.960 or demographic collapse propaganda more widely,

00:23:01.160 because this feels a little...

00:23:03.860 You think it seems subsidized.

00:23:05.360 I think it's doing well.

00:23:06.760 Other people I know have said that this is an amazing show.

00:23:09.000 I think this is.

00:23:09.540 No, it is an amazing show.

00:23:10.520 I just feel like this is not the only anime that's throwing in,

00:23:14.040 laying, it's spreading it on thick, as it were.

00:23:16.320 And I just wonder if...

00:23:18.380 And I think this is one of the most effective forms

00:23:21.120 of intervention that a government can support.

00:23:24.360 So that's another reason why I'm thinking Japan's doing it, 1.00

00:23:26.860 because all the subsidies,

00:23:29.000 all this, like the payouts,

00:23:30.720 and in some cases,

00:23:32.020 nations curtailing reproductive rights,

00:23:34.500 I don't think those are effective interventions.

00:23:36.420 I do think that shows like this,

00:23:40.260 and I would love to see more of that.

00:23:41.860 I'd love to see it in the United States.

00:23:43.080 I'd love to see more great anime coming out

00:23:44.800 that has lots of families.

00:23:45.920 Spy Family is fantastic.

00:23:47.760 You already talked about...

00:23:48.860 What's that other one that's super pronatalist?

00:23:50.980 Darling with Franks?

00:23:52.200 Yes, Franks.

00:23:53.640 Yeah, Franks is heavy pronatalist propaganda.

00:23:56.240 Guru Mangan, though, even in the older days...

00:23:58.160 Another thing I've noticed in anime,

00:23:59.780 and I was actually telling her this,

00:24:01.040 is there's a lot more kids in anime

00:24:02.700 than they remember historically.

00:24:03.840 People are put in dad roles.

00:24:06.480 For example, I was just watching ReMonster,

00:24:08.700 which is not a show where I'd expect him

00:24:10.520 to take on this dad role,

00:24:12.020 and yet he does, and he has little kids,

00:24:13.780 and it's seen as his dad role

00:24:16.040 as like this really elevated thing for him.

00:24:18.540 It's something that all men should desire.

00:24:20.860 And three kids he has.

00:24:22.220 So also above repopulation rate.

00:24:23.960 And I think it might be government programs

00:24:26.440 that are causing this,

00:24:27.100 and I'll do some research before this goes live,

00:24:29.020 and add, have I been able to find any of these?

00:24:30.880 After some research,

00:24:31.700 it seems pretty clear

00:24:32.760 that the Japanese government did not sponsor this,

00:24:34.840 and has not sponsored any of the recent

00:24:36.940 more pronatalist anime.

00:24:38.600 This seems to be a totally grassroots movement.

00:24:41.900 And it makes sense.

00:24:42.840 I will say that they have sponsored some anime before,

00:24:45.700 but it's mostly been for military purposes,

00:24:48.400 to try to get people to sign up for the military,

00:24:50.860 or to try to make them look good to other countries.

00:24:53.120 There is no evidence that they've supported

00:24:54.740 any pronatalist anime.

00:24:56.320 And given that they do make it public

00:24:57.900 when they are sponsoring anime for military purposes,

00:25:00.180 there's no reason they would keep it quiet

00:25:02.360 if they were doing it for pronatalist purposes,

00:25:05.140 which is even less controversial.

00:25:07.780 But I suspect it's more just that it's gotten to the point

00:25:10.140 where your average Japanese person

00:25:12.480 realizes that this has become an existential threat

00:25:16.180 to their culture and way of life,

00:25:18.340 and that it's to everyone,

00:25:19.640 whatever your job is,

00:25:20.780 to be fighting this from the position that you have.

00:25:23.300 In the same way that, like,

00:25:24.320 progressives try to insert the quote-unquote message

00:25:26.780 into everything.

00:25:28.240 They're in a society where that message

00:25:30.980 hasn't caused as much damage yet.

00:25:33.360 And so they're still sane to an extent

00:25:35.060 and able to be like,

00:25:35.740 hey, fertility rate is an issue. 1.00

00:25:38.140 And, like, why aren't we even fighting?

00:25:39.700 I love that sentiment.

00:25:41.040 It's a good line.

00:25:41.580 Like, why aren't we even fighting?

00:25:43.260 This was all about intergenerationally

00:25:46.820 passing on this responsibility.

00:25:49.120 And that's something that's also talked a lot about

00:25:50.720 in the show,

00:25:51.160 is the idea of the sort of intergenerational duty

00:25:54.840 we have to those who came before us

00:25:57.280 and sacrificed for the things we have

00:26:00.120 and the life we've been able to have.

00:26:02.080 Because I think that's often

00:26:03.720 a really easy thing to forget,

00:26:06.040 and the show really brings it home for me.

00:26:09.400 Yeah.

00:26:09.700 So I watch a lot of, like,

00:26:10.960 fundy snark videos and stuff like that

00:26:12.940 where progressive women are sneering 1.00

00:26:15.440 at conservative

00:26:16.800 or really just any form of diverse lifestyle.

00:26:20.480 and they,

00:26:22.840 I love that there's, like,

00:26:23.840 sorry, side note here,

00:26:25.120 the progressive has, like,

00:26:26.180 diverse TM,

00:26:27.500 which includes, like,

00:26:28.820 three different pre-approved lifestyles,

00:26:31.440 like, gay, polyamorous,

00:26:34.400 or living alone with cats.

00:26:35.960 But any actually religiously diverse lifestyle

00:26:39.100 is seen as, like, axiomatically bad.

00:26:41.560 But anyway,

00:26:42.120 one of the things that they always complain about

00:26:43.540 is this idea that you would have

00:26:44.920 any sort of duty to sacrifice

00:26:47.700 for your ancestors

00:26:49.660 or your culture

00:26:50.900 or your family.

00:26:52.720 And, you know,

00:26:53.620 you can go watch our review

00:26:54.980 of Starship Troopers

00:26:55.900 to get an idea of what I mean by that.

00:26:57.620 You know,

00:26:57.780 you have this idea where presumably

00:26:59.000 it's perfect from a progressive perspective.

00:27:01.200 You know,

00:27:01.380 you have total equality,

00:27:02.860 total gender equality,

00:27:04.420 everyone uses the same restroom,

00:27:06.100 but they view it as an inhumanly evil

00:27:08.720 and fascist society

00:27:09.860 just because it's a society

00:27:11.420 that expects some sacrifices

00:27:14.280 to achieve,

00:27:16.040 not even of everyone,

00:27:17.400 not even forced of everyone,

00:27:18.560 but just to be able to exercise

00:27:20.280 political power and violence

00:27:22.060 over other people

00:27:22.840 because political power

00:27:24.180 is always violence.

00:27:25.360 And they're just like,

00:27:26.320 no, we can't have that.

00:27:27.320 We need a world where 0.99

00:27:28.020 nobody has any responsibilities

00:27:30.420 expected of them

00:27:31.660 that that is the ultimate thing

00:27:33.640 they're fighting for.

00:27:34.240 So, you know,

00:27:35.420 to see this value system

00:27:38.040 turned on its head

00:27:38.860 and somebody saying,

00:27:39.780 well, actually, no,

00:27:40.500 you do owe something

00:27:42.100 to the people

00:27:43.060 who have made sacrifices

00:27:44.500 so that you can exist,

00:27:46.440 which are your ancestors

00:27:47.780 and which are your cultural group.

00:27:49.920 And that's a sentiment

00:27:50.660 I wholeheartedly agree with.

00:27:52.240 And I am quite excited

00:27:53.260 for this really toxic view

00:27:55.240 that you owe nothing

00:27:56.160 to anyone dying out,

00:27:58.340 which it is,

00:27:59.120 fortunately,

00:27:59.580 due to fertility rates.

00:28:00.880 And I also would say,

00:28:02.520 another thing the show

00:28:03.240 does really well

00:28:04.360 and it's able to do this

00:28:05.340 because it has

00:28:05.920 these older characters,

00:28:07.380 is show that you can have

00:28:08.780 an evolving culture

00:28:10.080 that is still true

00:28:11.100 to the spirit

00:28:11.980 of the cultures

00:28:13.500 that came before it.

00:28:14.900 So as much as there's

00:28:16.500 this push in the anime

00:28:17.880 for pushing society,

00:28:20.600 I mean,

00:28:21.080 for keeping connection

00:28:22.560 to the ancestral traditions

00:28:23.900 and everything like that,

00:28:24.980 there's also a big push

00:28:26.520 for things like gender equality

00:28:28.000 throughout it.

00:28:28.840 And that, like,

00:28:29.660 we do need to evolve

00:28:30.880 the way that we're interacting

00:28:32.200 with each other in some ways.

00:28:33.660 And that scene

00:28:34.680 is, like,

00:28:35.120 a great thing in the couple.

00:28:36.680 And, for example,

00:28:37.500 in one arc,

00:28:38.600 the woman loses her memory

00:28:40.260 and so she's around

00:28:42.340 the husband

00:28:43.000 and gets to basically

00:28:44.080 judge him

00:28:44.680 from the perspective

00:28:45.420 of her

00:28:46.560 before she met him.

00:28:48.100 And she notices

00:28:49.040 that he's doing

00:28:49.880 all sorts of chores

00:28:50.800 that she thought of

00:28:51.940 as woman's chores, 0.98

00:28:52.980 like cleaning the dishes

00:28:53.780 and stuff like that

00:28:54.720 and doing them

00:28:55.740 without expectation

00:28:56.960 of her

00:28:58.260 wanting something from him.

00:28:59.900 And she's like,

00:29:01.200 oh,

00:29:01.820 this is great

00:29:02.780 that he's doing this.

00:29:04.200 Also in that arc,

00:29:04.940 I do think they feel

00:29:05.880 do a very good job

00:29:06.820 of showing

00:29:07.260 the type of love

00:29:08.920 that you build

00:29:09.740 in a marriage

00:29:10.760 doesn't feel like...

00:29:13.380 Oh, passionate romantic love

00:29:14.960 as is typically

00:29:16.120 depicted among young couples.

00:29:18.420 Yeah.

00:29:18.980 She's trying to wait 0.68

00:29:20.280 for this feeling

00:29:20.940 of the young person

00:29:21.580 being around her partner

00:29:22.520 and she doesn't realize

00:29:24.180 the way that she feels

00:29:26.200 for him

00:29:26.760 until he's gone

00:29:28.320 for a day.

00:29:29.620 And she's... 0.98

00:29:30.180 And that's when she was like,

00:29:31.460 I don't love him yet

00:29:32.800 and I don't have

00:29:33.280 any attraction to him

00:29:34.300 but I just feel

00:29:35.340 incredibly anxious

00:29:36.420 when he's not around.

00:29:37.580 Like,

00:29:37.800 not really complete

00:29:39.040 when he's not around.

00:29:40.120 And I think that people

00:29:41.220 who have been married

00:29:42.320 and have good marriages

00:29:44.120 absolutely know

00:29:45.220 this feeling

00:29:45.660 of being away

00:29:47.600 from your partner

00:29:48.560 feels really off.

00:29:51.440 Final thoughts here,

00:29:52.700 Simone?

00:29:53.700 Recommend the anime.

00:29:54.960 Love a good,

00:29:55.500 wholesome,

00:29:55.960 slice-of-life anime

00:29:56.800 and I'm glad that you,

00:29:58.160 who is not typically

00:29:59.000 a slice-of-life kind of guy

00:30:00.440 on the anime front,

00:30:02.060 found one you like.

00:30:02.880 Yeah, no,

00:30:04.000 I definitely think

00:30:04.860 this is going to be

00:30:05.520 in my top,

00:30:06.160 probably four or five anime

00:30:07.260 I've ever seen

00:30:08.100 in terms of quality.

00:30:09.560 Okay, number one

00:30:10.140 is Food Wars.

00:30:11.060 Number two,

00:30:11.600 no, okay,

00:30:11.960 number one is

00:30:12.640 Gurren Lagann.

00:30:14.220 Number two is Food Wars.

00:30:15.780 No, Food Wars

00:30:16.540 is actually above

00:30:17.200 Gurren Lagann for me

00:30:17.960 in terms of entertainment value.

00:30:19.800 It's really good.

00:30:20.860 Yeah, okay.

00:30:21.240 So, yeah, probably

00:30:21.660 Food Wars,

00:30:23.180 Gurren Lagann,

00:30:24.780 Code Geass,

00:30:26.540 and then this one?

00:30:28.020 Actually, yeah,

00:30:28.560 no, it might be

00:30:29.100 this one next.

00:30:30.640 Then Code Geass,

00:30:32.880 and Therma Roma,

00:30:34.480 the original Therma Roma.

00:30:35.700 Oh, yeah,

00:30:36.280 Therma Roma,

00:30:36.880 yeah,

00:30:37.260 original,

00:30:37.940 yeah,

00:30:38.140 not the new nonsense.

00:30:39.520 God,

00:30:39.800 I'm trying to think

00:30:40.260 if there are some others

00:30:41.140 that I've just,

00:30:41.700 like,

00:30:41.920 absolutely loved

00:30:42.600 and I forget here.

00:30:43.160 I'm sure

00:30:43.500 the one in my top five here

00:30:45.540 that I absolutely forgot here

00:30:46.560 that easily replaced

00:30:47.520 Therma Roma 0.99

00:30:48.040 is B.

00:30:49.460 Gotta H. 0.88

00:30:50.420 Kia.

00:30:51.100 Goblin Slayer.

00:30:52.720 Oh, yeah,

00:30:53.240 Goblin Slayer.

00:30:54.040 I got Goblin Slayer 0.81

00:30:54.900 I'd slot above this one.

00:30:56.000 I think Goblin Slayer 0.99

00:30:56.960 is slightly better than this.

00:30:58.440 Too dark for me.

00:30:59.420 Too dark.

00:30:59.820 I don't see,

00:31:00.320 again,

00:31:00.660 I don't know how you could

00:31:01.420 handle that.

00:31:02.140 I couldn't.

00:31:02.780 There was too much

00:31:03.420 infanticide.

00:31:07.620 That's what the first episode

00:31:09.040 is known for people

00:31:10.400 going into it.

00:31:11.340 It is gritty.

00:31:13.320 They come in strong.

00:31:14.180 They come in just right.

00:31:15.600 So it was Goblin Slayer

00:31:16.740 the thing that really does for me

00:31:17.840 is I think it models

00:31:18.660 very good cultural values.

00:31:20.440 Yeah.

00:31:20.880 And it models

00:31:21.860 objective function

00:31:22.860 extremely well.

00:31:24.020 Yeah,

00:31:24.440 it models the concept

00:31:25.240 of objective function

00:31:26.240 which The Fragmentist Guide to Life

00:31:27.820 is all about

00:31:28.440 the first book we wrote.

00:31:30.020 So I really like it

00:31:30.840 from that perspective

00:31:31.760 and it is moderately

00:31:33.400 and Food Wars

00:31:34.100 like earns a tough spot

00:31:35.160 just entirely

00:31:35.940 for entertainment purposes.

00:31:37.600 Oh my God.

00:31:38.020 But I also think

00:31:38.760 that the main character

00:31:39.840 it models relationships

00:31:41.580 really well.

00:31:42.240 I think Food Wars

00:31:42.840 does that.

00:31:43.540 It models tenacity.

00:31:44.840 It models vitalism.

00:31:46.820 Vitalism.

00:31:47.360 Yes,

00:31:47.520 a very good modeling

00:31:48.400 of vitalism.

00:31:49.680 Plus you learn a lot

00:31:50.460 about food science,

00:31:51.440 food culture,

00:31:52.060 and food history.

00:31:52.860 Yeah.

00:31:54.000 It's educational.

00:31:55.360 Education.

00:31:55.620 You've got to watch it.

00:31:56.520 It's for literacy.

00:31:57.440 So if you like

00:31:57.960 some of these other shows

00:31:58.900 that I've been listing

00:31:59.600 and I'm like

00:32:00.100 this show is among them

00:32:01.560 in terms of quality

00:32:02.460 definitely go check it out.

00:32:04.300 It is top tier.

00:32:07.980 I love you, Malcolm.

00:32:09.480 I love you too, Simone.

00:32:10.800 And I see you

00:32:12.040 like in the show

00:32:13.160 I just see our relationship

00:32:14.480 modeled so well

00:32:15.580 and it does such a good job

00:32:17.600 even as somebody

00:32:18.360 who's in a happy marriage

00:32:20.100 reminding me

00:32:21.600 what I have

00:32:22.360 in terms of a relationship

00:32:23.340 with you

00:32:23.820 getting me think about

00:32:25.020 if this was me

00:32:26.020 having turned young

00:32:27.160 as an 80-year-old

00:32:28.520 with you

00:32:28.960 what would I be doing

00:32:29.820 with our life today

00:32:30.900 if I transformed

00:32:32.940 into a young person

00:32:33.940 with kids again

00:32:34.720 taking them out on the river

00:32:35.660 which I'll do again

00:32:36.440 this weekend.

00:32:37.080 That's one thing

00:32:37.620 I'd probably be doing

00:32:38.300 making sure we pick berries

00:32:39.400 together

00:32:39.860 making sure I plant

00:32:41.260 some trees.

00:32:42.580 So yeah

00:32:43.160 there's a lot of things

00:32:43.940 I do and I

00:32:44.640 Also though

00:32:45.160 we're going to make

00:32:45.640 if we're lucky enough

00:32:46.980 to live to an old age

00:32:48.320 we're going to make

00:32:49.540 a pretty cute old couple.

00:32:50.840 Let's not die too early.

00:32:52.020 Yeah so I

00:32:54.940 what I guess

00:32:55.720 is the feeling

00:32:57.100 that the show gives me

00:32:58.060 is the same feeling

00:32:58.980 that you give me

00:32:59.780 and it's something

00:33:01.020 that these ultra progressives

00:33:03.220 I think just totally

00:33:04.400 lack in their life

00:33:05.360 because even when

00:33:06.260 they're married

00:33:06.740 they don't really live

00:33:07.940 as a unit

00:33:09.140 in the way

00:33:10.200 that you should

00:33:10.840 when you're like

00:33:11.480 in a happy marriage

00:33:12.320 they live

00:33:13.120 as

00:33:14.000 as atomized roommates

00:33:16.140 yeah the atomized roommates

00:33:18.000 who exist

00:33:18.740 to be each other's

00:33:20.940 friend 0.91

00:33:21.620 who they have sex with 0.84

00:33:22.780 instead of 0.98

00:33:23.980 be a huge chunk

00:33:25.840 of their identity

00:33:26.720 a half of their identity

00:33:28.180 in terms of how

00:33:28.740 they relate to reality

00:33:29.700 and because of that

00:33:31.200 they're never going

00:33:32.460 to experience

00:33:33.080 there's so much

00:33:34.180 that they're missing

00:33:35.040 and this show

00:33:36.500 serves you on a platter

00:33:37.920 I think so

00:33:38.500 what they are missing

00:33:39.440 what did you get

00:33:40.620 a blowout

00:33:41.180 yeah

00:33:44.220 all right

00:33:45.680 in between episodes

00:33:46.500 I'll let you take her 0.99

00:33:47.360 to get changed

00:33:48.480 okay

00:33:48.940 and thanks Malcolm

00:33:50.660 you're amazing

00:33:52.660 poor Indy

00:33:54.100 I love you Malcolm

00:33:55.180 love you too

00:33:56.720 I'll make a link

00:33:59.340 for the Scott Alexander one

00:34:01.180 but I gotta

00:34:01.880 handle this first

00:34:03.440 go for it

00:34:04.060 okay

00:34:05.680 one final note

00:34:06.960 I'd make about the show here

00:34:08.160 that I thought was actually

00:34:09.040 pretty interesting

00:34:09.700 is

00:34:10.760 it is shown

00:34:11.460 that this phenomenon

00:34:12.580 is not unique

00:34:13.800 to them

00:34:14.340 that occasionally

00:34:15.160 in this world

00:34:15.980 they live in

00:34:16.640 golden apples

00:34:17.600 present themselves

00:34:19.020 to old couples

00:34:21.140 shortly before they die

00:34:23.040 that have lived

00:34:24.360 long happy

00:34:25.500 and healthy marriages

00:34:26.640 dedicated to their partner

00:34:28.360 and their community

00:34:29.180 and their descendants

00:34:30.480 and it's a really sweet concept

00:34:32.660 it'd be quite cool

00:34:33.460 if that was real

00:34:34.220 oh I'm so excited

00:34:35.540 for this thing

00:34:36.120 I like these talks

00:34:37.740 you are amazing

00:34:38.600 I love them too

00:34:39.420 so I will get started

00:34:43.660 did you listen to that podcast

00:34:47.600 by the way

00:34:48.180 where Jenny

00:34:48.660 I listened to

00:34:49.640 most of it

00:34:51.240 I stopped listening

00:34:52.060 to the part

00:34:52.600 where she had gotten

00:34:53.420 to like the

00:34:54.400 the smack 1.00

00:34:55.280 just because I had other

00:34:56.320 I had to run and do

00:34:57.140 the side scrollers episode

00:34:58.220 did it get bad

00:34:59.580 after that

00:35:00.000 it sounded like

00:35:00.460 she was beginning

00:35:01.000 to get pretty critical

00:35:01.900 she was critical

00:35:04.640 and she defended

00:35:05.780 her points 0.94

00:35:07.540 this is a piece

00:35:10.640 of media made

00:35:11.440 about us

00:35:11.960 that we're referring

00:35:12.760 to

00:35:13.020 that they were

00:35:13.580 doing an interview

00:35:14.260 would you know

00:35:14.720 what podcast

00:35:15.660 it was on

00:35:16.260 yes I can tell you

00:35:19.000 probably in one

00:35:19.880 of my tabs

00:35:20.420 right now

00:35:20.840 I've written it down

00:35:22.140 it was

00:35:24.520 on the front burner

00:35:25.740 podcast

00:35:26.100 where they

00:35:27.280 interviewed Jenny

00:35:27.980 I think what really

00:35:29.280 came out

00:35:29.720 was just like

00:35:30.300 a difference

00:35:31.120 in culture

00:35:32.300 for the most part

00:35:33.460 like she

00:35:34.360 came to our house

00:35:36.100 and the house

00:35:36.680 was cold

00:35:37.420 and Torsten

00:35:38.680 was on his own

00:35:39.660 upstairs for

00:35:40.820 a long time

00:35:41.980 and you

00:35:44.220 practiced

00:35:45.480 corporal punishment

00:35:46.360 in front of her

00:35:47.220 and she asked

00:35:49.660 you some questions

00:35:50.280 about the population

00:35:51.240 size of pronatalists

00:35:52.600 and then she just

00:35:53.340 came to this

00:35:53.860 conclusion that like

00:35:54.780 one we don't

00:35:56.180 love our kids

00:35:56.900 and two

00:35:57.740 we say we're

00:35:59.100 data driven

00:35:59.620 but we're not

00:36:00.380 actually doing

00:36:02.040 data driven stuff

00:36:03.180 it's because all

00:36:04.180 of the ways

00:36:05.060 that she would

00:36:05.580 have us change

00:36:06.360 the way we're

00:36:06.860 parenting our kids

00:36:07.700 would be incredibly

00:36:09.060 high

00:36:09.920 like you've got

00:36:11.500 to be around

00:36:11.920 your kid 24-7

00:36:12.860 it's like you

00:36:13.640 can't have a lot

00:36:14.260 of kids

00:36:14.600 also

00:36:15.020 Torsten wouldn't

00:36:16.480 like our autistic

00:36:17.860 children really

00:36:19.160 want alone time

00:36:20.220 and we give it

00:36:22.000 to them when they

00:36:22.480 want it and we

00:36:23.160 check in on them

00:36:23.760 quite frequently

00:36:24.360 but that doesn't

00:36:25.280 change the fact

00:36:26.260 that sometimes

00:36:26.740 they get over

00:36:27.400 stimulated and

00:36:28.120 they just want

00:36:28.580 to be by

00:36:28.960 themselves

00:36:29.520 especially when

00:36:30.380 we have visitors

00:36:30.920 yeah

00:36:31.580 but I think it

00:36:32.780 just showed

00:36:33.400 so there was

00:36:34.100 that

00:36:34.580 oh my god

00:36:35.440 they sometimes

00:36:35.940 have screens

00:36:36.560 and then the

00:36:37.160 corporal punishment

00:36:37.760 both of which

00:36:38.320 were just things

00:36:39.000 that become a

00:36:40.220 norm whenever you

00:36:41.100 get a family

00:36:41.720 above a certain

00:36:42.300 size

00:36:42.800 also though I

00:36:44.100 think she's

00:36:45.000 mostly playing

00:36:45.800 up the sensationalized

00:36:46.920 element of it

00:36:47.620 the more monstrous

00:36:48.660 we look the better

00:36:49.760 the story is

00:36:50.560 so using terms

00:36:51.780 like they had

00:36:52.920 tied screens

00:36:54.600 around their

00:36:55.180 children's necks

00:36:56.120 one I don't

00:36:57.740 even know

00:36:58.240 those straps

00:36:59.380 broke off

00:37:00.020 right away

00:37:00.860 I think one

00:37:01.580 of the kids

00:37:01.900 actually had

00:37:02.680 a strap

00:37:03.140 that day

00:37:03.740 one of them

00:37:04.640 one of them

00:37:05.040 must have

00:37:05.400 she wouldn't

00:37:05.720 have made

00:37:06.000 it up

00:37:06.380 but like

00:37:07.480 it there's

00:37:08.760 a big difference

00:37:09.380 between a

00:37:10.680 kid putting

00:37:11.680 carrying a

00:37:12.700 satchel of an

00:37:13.580 ipad with a

00:37:14.400 strap that's

00:37:15.060 used for

00:37:15.420 there's one down

00:37:17.380 here

00:37:17.640 versus having

00:37:20.300 a parent that

00:37:21.200 tied it to

00:37:21.980 their neck

00:37:22.420 sounds like

00:37:22.900 those horse 0.98

00:37:23.460 feedback

00:37:23.840 I'm actually

00:37:24.360 more offended

00:37:25.100 and this is the

00:37:26.600 core to me

00:37:27.860 offense of the

00:37:28.860 article and lie

00:37:29.820 of the article

00:37:30.340 is they are

00:37:31.120 not ipads

00:37:31.840 I would never

00:37:32.480 get my kid

00:37:33.000 an ipad

00:37:33.540 that is just

00:37:34.100 way too

00:37:34.680 expensive

00:37:35.120 they are

00:37:36.080 they are

00:37:37.140 $100 mini

00:37:39.580 tablets

00:37:40.120 yeah

00:37:40.600 they're

00:37:41.260 Samsung Galaxy

00:37:42.300 tabs

00:37:43.440 the A1

00:37:44.220 variety

00:37:44.740 which is

00:37:45.160 their very

00:37:45.500 cheap variety

00:37:46.080 that you can

00:37:46.500 get for $120

00:37:47.120 I think

00:37:47.880 and then if

00:37:48.620 you get them

00:37:48.920 used you can

00:37:49.420 get them under

00:37:49.780 $100

00:37:50.040 and then there's

00:37:51.360 these $10

00:37:51.840 large rubber

00:37:53.220 casings you can

00:37:54.060 get for them

00:37:54.580 that we use

00:37:55.620 for our kids

00:37:56.120 yeah that includes

00:37:57.700 straps so you can

00:37:58.280 hang them from 0.98

00:37:58.740 the back of an

00:37:59.240 airplane

00:37:59.560 seat or something

00:38:00.520 but I'm always

00:38:01.100 fascinated when

00:38:01.960 people are publicly

00:38:02.620 talking about us

00:38:03.520 like this like

00:38:04.100 just genuinely

00:38:04.800 interested in how

00:38:06.080 much of weirdos

00:38:06.960 we are

00:38:07.840 anyway

00:38:09.280 let's do it

00:38:10.160 are we going to

00:38:10.400 get started

00:38:10.860 all right

Based Camp - June 24, 2024

Pronatalist Propaganda in Anime： Grandpa and Grandma Turn Young Again

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