Based Camp - Proof the UN Has Been Infiltrated by Anti-Natalists

00:00:00.000 Earth for All can trace its origins to the Club of Rome commissioned report, The Limits to Gross, published 50 years ago.

00:00:07.100 They want to reduce the number of childbirths on Earth by about 81% by the year 2100, when compared to the current level.

00:00:16.700 Oh, okay, that's a lot.

00:00:18.060 So, Sandra Dixon Deceive, co-president of the Club of Rome and executive chair of Earth for Life, also chaired the UN COP26 World Leader Summit.

00:00:33.320 So, she is a key member in hosting major, not UN population stuff, mainstream UN stuff.

00:00:43.240 Like, who does this group say is affiliated with them?

00:00:45.700 So, you get individuals like Anders Wilkman, assistant secretary general to the United Nations Policy Director under UNDP 1995 to 1997.

00:00:56.700 Or Janice Potentnik, co-chair of the UN International Resource Panel.

00:01:04.020 My read from this is it's not that the UN is just like random actors of politically indoctrinated people.

00:01:09.820 They are systemically and deeply infiltrated by a group attempting to reduce Earth's population dramatically.

00:01:17.920 Would you like to know more?

00:01:19.220 You like conspiracies, don't you?

00:01:21.640 Look, I am not a conspiratorially minded person, but I do like studying conspiracies.

00:01:27.660 Yeah, you collect them like Torsten collects rocks.

00:01:30.580 Yes, but often from this perspective...

00:01:31.300 And then you rub them on your face and you're like...

00:01:32.820 Yeah, one of our kids just loves rocks.

00:01:36.300 But I usually and historically have loved conspiracies from the perspective of the skeptic.

00:01:42.660 So, I am not one...

00:01:44.620 Like, I generally am pretty hostile to most conspiracy theories.

00:01:47.380 I will say conspiracy theorists seem to be batting 9 out of 10 recently.

00:01:50.980 It's a little concerning to me.

00:01:52.860 But within the pro-natalist world, I have this unfortunate thing that sometimes I will see a conspiracy theory and I will begin to dig into it.

00:02:04.000 And it is only a conspiracy theory in how it is structured, but all of the facts are true.

00:02:10.400 And that really bothers me.

00:02:13.240 One of the most recent that was brought to our attention by one of our guests, which I have to mention here,

00:02:18.140 was a group called Population Connection, which was previously called Zero Population Group

00:02:23.880 and was founded by Paul Elric, which trained over 100,000 teachers in America and Canada.

00:02:30.340 And the president of the org recently bragged about their education arm called Population Education,

00:02:37.800 educating 3 million American and Canadian students a year.

00:02:41.940 Which is stunning.

00:02:45.800 When you're like, how do people come to these insane ideas?

00:02:48.120 Because they are literally being brainwashed by organizations designed to brainwash them.

00:02:54.520 But it gets worse than that.

00:02:56.560 So often, Simone, you and I will be talking about things like the United Nations.

00:03:01.540 And we'll be like, oh, the UN...

00:03:03.780 They seem very biased when it comes to reporting population statistics.

00:03:06.960 So normally, we bring them up in the context of, and even the UN admitted this about falling populations

00:03:13.340 when they finally point out that their projections have not been met and that things are going down fast.

00:03:19.260 I had seen this bias and been like, they have a lot of progressive people working there or something.

00:03:25.560 They must be just regular progressive bias.

00:03:28.340 Like, I had really counted what the UN was doing as, we just don't want to elevate the fact that this is happening

00:03:36.580 because it could be used by racists or something like that.

00:03:39.060 I don't know.

00:03:40.240 Like, I generally, and if people have listened to my previous comments on this,

00:03:43.960 had a very charitable interpretation of what they were doing.

00:03:48.200 That charitable interpretation has recently changed.

00:03:51.900 So, we need to go into...

00:03:56.780 Have you heard of something called the Club of Rome, Simone?

00:04:00.160 No.

00:04:01.080 Sounds like all men on Twitter. 0.99

00:04:04.920 So, the Club of Rome was a real organization.

00:04:07.860 Many people try to connect it with nefarious groups.

00:04:10.600 But they ran a study that determined that we needed to dramatically reduce the number of humans on Earth.

00:04:18.800 Oh, so was this around the time of the population bomb book?

00:04:21.900 Yeah, it was.

00:04:22.780 And I'll actually read a quote here.

00:04:25.240 And this quote is from a company called Earth for All.

00:04:28.280 And it describes this.

00:04:29.400 Earth for All can trace its origins to the Club of Rome commissioned report,

00:04:34.660 The Limits to Gross, published 50 years ago.

00:04:37.700 Back then, scientists used early computer models to show that Earth's finite resources

00:04:42.940 would eventually buckle under the weight of material consumption.

00:04:46.360 This Earth for All, which people can find them at Earth for the letter, the number four, all, not life.

00:04:55.740 They have a plan.

00:04:57.560 So, you can find on their long-term plan saying what their plan is for Earth's population.

00:05:02.600 They want to reduce the number of childbirths on Earth by about 81% by the year 2100, when compared to the current level.

00:05:12.020 Oh, okay.

00:05:12.900 That's a lot.

00:05:13.640 That's a lot.

00:05:14.540 In the next 75 years, they want to reduce the number of children being born by 81%, which actually, I would argue, they are.

00:05:21.720 They are so good.

00:05:22.320 Yeah, they're actually on track to do that.

00:05:24.240 Yeah, good job, guys.

00:05:25.140 Yeah, good job on destroying the human species.

00:05:30.100 Gold star.

00:05:31.240 Maybe someone's getting what they want, Malcolm.

00:05:33.200 It's fine.

00:05:34.280 I want to give a quick shout-out to the sub-stack of Igor Chudov, who tipped me off to this particular situation.

00:05:42.280 Yeah, so here's the problem with this group.

00:05:44.640 You can be like, okay, yeah, there was this group that apparently wanted to lower Earth's population by that much,

00:05:51.040 but what does this have to do with the UN?

00:05:53.740 So, Sandra Dixon DeCive, co-president of the Club of Rome and executive chair of Earth for Life,

00:06:04.580 also chaired the UN COP26 World Leader Summit.

00:06:10.120 So, she is a key member in hosting major, not UN population stuff, mainstream UN stuff.

00:06:20.080 People who have kids are too busy, you know.

00:06:23.360 And then you look at their website of who their members are, right?

00:06:26.820 Like, who does this group say is affiliated with him?

00:06:29.380 So, you get individuals like Anders Wilkman, Assistant Secretary General to the United Nations Policy Director under UNDP 1995 to 1997.

00:06:39.360 Or, Janice Potentnik, co-chair of the UN International Resource Panel, an organization that's stated goal is to erase...

00:06:59.360 I just, what are your thoughts?

00:07:01.200 Like, my read from this is it's not that the UN is just, like, random actors of politically indoctrinated people.

00:07:08.700 They are systemically and deeply infiltrated by a group attempting to reduce Earth's population dramatically.

00:07:16.240 This feels very intuitive to me, and here's why.

00:07:19.700 Ever since I had kids, something happened to me hormonally where I can't really handle human suffering or poverty the same way as before,

00:07:29.160 especially if this is happening to young children or babies. 1.00

00:07:33.360 Like, I lose my shit. 0.99

00:07:35.040 I'm not thinking about it now because if I were, I would be crying and I wouldn't stop. 1.00

00:07:38.900 And we have things to do.

00:07:39.880 So, I think this makes a lot of sense to me because the UN is involved in a lot of aid programs.

00:07:45.340 It's seeing a lot of areas where there are massive numbers of very young people who are struggling and people of all ages who are struggling and suffering a lot.

00:07:54.360 And I definitely, after a five-hour crying jag, thinking about this stuff, I'm like, I just wish, I just, I want to undo all humans.

00:08:02.620 I just want to, I totally get the feeling.

00:08:04.540 I want to 100% get the feeling when you are confronted by that kind of suffering and unmoored from logic.

00:08:12.280 Because obviously, these people, most of them, even if they're suffering, want to be born.

00:08:18.460 Suffering is part of the human condition.

00:08:20.720 It is inevitable.

00:08:22.100 And people, there's a reason, you know.

00:08:25.540 Anyway, when you're run by logic, you can deal with this.

00:08:28.940 When you're not run by logic, and often you cannot be run by logic when you are face-to-face dealing with these issues, with these tragedies, with this suffering, I could totally see why the UN would shift to being an inherently anti-Natalist organization that sees it one of the most expedient ways to end this suffering is to ensure that there just are fewer people brought into these situations.

00:08:52.060 Because one, the fewer there are, perhaps the more resources.

00:08:56.820 And two, at least that's like five fewer babies they're hearing about dying every day or whatever in some village.

00:09:02.900 I get it.

00:09:03.400 It makes a lot of sense to me.

00:09:04.920 I don't see it as coming from a bad or evil place.

00:09:07.440 Although, of course, when you aren't thinking about what they're thinking, you think it does.

00:09:10.940 So let's not dehumanize these people.

00:09:12.660 I just, in the end, they're not thinking through it logically.

00:09:16.120 They're being run by their emotions, and they're wrong.

00:09:18.740 But still, let's see.

00:09:20.500 Does this change how you think about engaging the UN on these sorts of issues?

00:09:24.160 Do you see them as being an intrinsically antagonistic organization to the perinatalist movement?

00:09:28.680 They're not.

00:09:29.220 Because, again, the perinatalist movement that we're a part of, at least, isn't against avoiding unwanted pregnancies, avoiding people having kids that they don't want, that can't.

00:09:40.060 But that's not what these groups want.

00:09:43.260 That's what I'm hearing when I read this.

00:09:45.300 If you read their website – okay, hold on.

00:09:47.760 I can just pull up what Earth for Life says on their own website.

00:09:51.120 Okay.

00:09:51.780 Or you can Google this and read it, okay?

00:09:55.160 The dominant economic model is destabilizing societies on the planet, and it's time for change.

00:10:00.860 Earth for All is an international initiative to accelerate the systems change we need for an equitable future on a finite planet.

00:10:08.140 We found that the next 10 years must see the fastest economic transformation in history if we want to steer humanity away from social and ecological catastrophe.

00:10:19.980 So there –

00:10:21.600 Social catastrophe.

00:10:22.600 What am I telling you about?

00:10:23.580 I'm telling you about the death and the suffering and the sickness that people are seeing, and they see that as a social catastrophe, and they want to steer away from it.

00:10:30.080 And, yes, they care about the environment, too, and they see human load as being a big problem on that.

00:10:36.080 What am I missing?

00:10:38.060 This is – they're stating two things, okay?

00:10:41.100 They want to decrease the global population at the same time as increasing their control over that population. 0.86

00:10:47.780 Yeah, because they think they know best.

00:10:49.280 And I think people who are involved in dealing with these things firsthand or adjacent to those involved in dealing with these things firsthand believe that they have the authority to make the best changes.

00:10:58.880 Is that true?

00:10:59.920 Often not.

00:11:00.780 You see this in many ossified industries all over the place.

00:11:03.700 For example, in the travel industry where we work, oh, my God, the people within it are so myopic, and they're not able to see giant solutions staring them right in the face, and that's a problem.

00:11:13.020 So I'm not saying that just because they're close to the problem, they know what the best solutions are, but I am saying that, of course, given their position, they're going to think they're the best person, and they're going to think that everyone else with different opinions is inexperienced, not actually on the ground dealing with what they're dealing with, and wrong.

00:11:30.160 I guess the problem that I have with your perspective on this is I don't disagree that everyone sees themselves as a protagonist of their life story.

00:11:39.860 That is true.

00:11:40.980 That doesn't mean I need to have empathy for the actions that they are undertaking.

00:11:46.000 The Nazis believed they were protagonists of their own story.

00:11:48.980 That is true.

00:11:50.340 When an individual believes that their moral system is intrinsically superior to all other moral systems and therefore must be imposed on other individuals.

00:11:59.000 So this is why, like when I look at history, when I look at my ancestors, when I look at America in a historical context, why was, to me, like America the good guys in World War II, because after they won and everyone got together, they all thought that America was going to basically lord over them.

00:12:17.300 They thought that America was going to say, now that we won, we're basically going to impose our rules on all of the rest of you.

00:12:23.200 We're going to take this land from you.

00:12:24.580 We're going to take these economic resources from you.

00:12:26.440 And instead they said, no, let's create a better system that allows everyone to work independently and yet as part of a global economic system.

00:12:37.340 That's what the pro-natalist movement is fundamentally trying to do.

00:12:40.700 We are fundamentally trying to create a world that is similar to the world that America attempted to create after World War II, which was a world of decentralized global cooperation instead of globalism, which is centralized global bureaucracy.

00:12:58.740 And that world is not just more productive, but it allows every cultural group to live out to the best of their ability, their own potentiality.

00:13:11.220 These groups like Earth for All want to quash that.

00:13:15.760 They want a world in which people who are like them control everything. 0.70

00:13:20.640 And they want a world in which people like them can influence who gets to be born and who doesn't get to be born.

00:13:29.020 If you look at their efforts, they are focused on – actually, one of the really interesting things about their efforts is if you look at where they think population rates are going to fall, they plot countries like Japan as not having any population fall at all.

00:13:46.980 And America is not having any major population fall at all, but most of the Black and Hispanic countries making up the decrease in population. 0.99

00:13:55.040 That's odd.

00:13:56.080 They even have a racist plan towards population.

00:14:00.700 That is weird.

00:14:02.160 Again, I just want to argue that it is helpful to view groups who disagree with you empathetically because the only way that you can begin to engage is by first finding common ground and seeing where you are aligned.

00:14:15.800 And then working out the tactical differences where you might each be getting something wrong.

00:14:20.840 I don't know.

00:14:21.600 This reminds me too much.

00:14:23.140 Look, when I look at – 0.79

00:14:24.380 I thought you were going to say it was real gay.

00:14:27.560 When I look at world history, I'm constantly reminded of the mistakes.

00:14:31.840 Yeah.

00:14:32.840 And I look at things –

00:14:34.400 No, this is not appeasement.

00:14:36.060 This is not –

00:14:37.380 It is appeasement.

00:14:39.320 Let's compromise.

00:14:40.360 Okay, they've taken their step.

00:14:41.680 No, I'm not saying compromise.

00:14:43.240 I'm not saying appease.

00:14:44.400 I am saying engage with them.

00:14:46.840 Some of the worst groups and the worst mistakes that have been repeated throughout history involve dehumanization of other groups and involve not engaging, just framing them in a very unflattering light, and not even trying to resolve problems through engagement.

00:15:04.600 I'm not saying we even have to budge on our beliefs or policies.

00:15:09.540 I'm just saying you're far less likely to be a convincing force when you immediately piss off the other side or dehumanize them.

00:15:21.240 We are too autistic and or weird to care that a lot of people that we'd love to convince hate us because we have glasses that are too big.

00:15:32.900 But I don't care that they think that about me.

00:15:35.240 I'm still happy to talk with them.

00:15:36.240 But most people, if you walked up to them and you were like, oh, your face is so messed up, they're not going to listen to you anymore.

00:15:42.040 And we're doing the equivalent of that by trying to dehumanize and frame as monsters these other groups where I feel like they really are coming from a misguided place, but a place that means well.

00:15:54.800 Because, again, I'm there after my five-hour crying jags of realizing how much suffering people are going through in areas where there are really high rates of fertility due to poverty.

00:16:04.580 We can talk about some of the other things they're talking about here.

00:16:08.040 One of the ways they want to reduce fertility rates is by empowering women, of course.

00:16:13.840 They're not wrong. 0.51

00:16:14.360 I thought you said wine men.

00:16:15.720 And I was like, why?

00:16:16.700 You know, empowering women.

00:16:18.080 The Vintners need more.

00:16:19.800 Don't you understand?

00:16:21.080 Another thing they're really pro is degrowth.

00:16:26.680 Okay?

00:16:27.280 So it's an economic...

00:16:28.220 I was going to say for that, yeah, like that, how everything, like environmentalism and all these other progressive subjects,

00:16:34.040 somehow fall into socialism and Marxism, right?

00:16:37.040 They want to reduce the economic capacity of the world.

00:16:41.060 That's what degrowth...

00:16:41.840 Yeah, go back to foraging in the field.

00:16:43.940 It's a core part of their website.

00:16:45.000 Academia is alive with fiery debates about economic growth.

00:16:48.140 Is green growth possible?

00:16:49.220 Is degrowth possible?

00:16:51.480 What about steady state economies?

00:16:53.440 Let's go beyond growth.

00:16:55.760 What a...

00:16:56.760 Beyond growth.

00:16:58.000 ...morellian term that is.

00:16:59.940 Hey, this is a very popular and pervasive trend.

00:17:02.760 This is quiet quitting.

00:17:04.240 This is Marxism.

00:17:05.460 This is hirkle-dirkle.

00:17:06.940 This is bed rot.

00:17:08.980 This is the soft life.

00:17:10.700 Here, I'm going to quote what they have gotten into the World Economic Forum.

00:17:13.720 The World Economic Forum posted an article called,

00:17:16.320 Degross.

00:17:17.040 What's behind the economic theory and does it matter right now?

00:17:20.940 Degross is a radical economic theory born in the 1970s.

00:17:25.240 This is from the World Economic Forum article.

00:17:27.720 It broadly means shrinking rather than growing economies to use less of the world's dwindling

00:17:33.120 resources.

00:17:35.140 Supporters argue that degross doesn't mean, quote, living in caves with candles, end quote,

00:17:40.540 but just living a bit more simply.

00:17:44.060 They're like, we just want the poor to starve.

00:17:47.620 But us, the economic elite.

00:17:50.160 Now, of course, they would say, no, what we mean is the economic elite need to live with a little bit less.

00:17:54.580 You are the economic elite.

00:17:57.880 And they're like, we need more people need to be the economic elite.

00:18:00.720 How can that happen in your degross system?

00:18:04.220 The societies that try to distribute wealth more fairly almost always lead to less economic productivity,

00:18:11.200 which ends up even in the more fair system, those at the bottom of it living in lower material conditions.

00:18:18.320 When you go to a certain level of poverty and material conditions, that means starvation and death.

00:18:22.920 As we have seen over and over again throughout human history.

00:18:27.720 That's why we don't do this.

00:18:29.840 But what are your thoughts on degrowth as the world's strategy?

00:18:34.680 Again, I think it's incredibly misguided.

00:18:36.900 And again, that's why I hate the book Sapiens, because I feel like that was one of the first

00:18:41.020 big books that popularized this concept very subtly among intellectual, educated, and otherwise highly economically productive.

00:18:50.400 Explain what you mean by that.

00:18:51.300 The book Sapiens really implies that humans were just so much better off before agriculture,

00:18:58.960 which just ruined our teeth and our lifestyles.

00:19:02.600 And oh my gosh, before this whole hunter-gatherer thing was so relaxed, and we basically never

00:19:07.560 worked at all, and life was perfect.

00:19:09.540 And we didn't die with bacteria rotting our face away. 0.98

00:19:12.820 That's silly.

00:19:13.580 Don't think about that right now.

00:19:14.900 We're going to talk about picking berries in the field, okay?

00:19:17.520 It's fun.

00:19:18.020 So yeah, a lot of people read that.

00:19:21.480 It was framed and written as a book that really achieved, high-achievement people would love

00:19:28.580 to use to brag about how smart they were and how above the grind they were now because they

00:19:34.080 understood how unnatural it was to be in a human civilization after the advent of agriculture.

00:19:40.780 And yeah, so before even all these various political groups wanted to enact Marxist policies, you had on in this other

00:19:51.920 facet of progressive elite culture, these people who are already inclined to it.

00:19:57.200 And then they hear Marxist ideas and they hear ideas about degrowth.

00:20:00.520 And they're like, oh, yeah.

00:20:03.060 And let's get rid of agriculture too, you guys.

00:20:05.680 That would be great.

00:20:06.440 Yeah, ooh, agriculture.

00:20:06.980 I read this book.

00:20:07.960 By the way, have you read Sapiens?

00:20:09.640 I've read Sapiens.

00:20:11.000 I'm very-

00:20:11.660 What good has agriculture ever done us?

00:20:13.980 Can't people just get their food from grocery stores?

00:20:16.140 Didn't it ruin your teeth?

00:20:17.620 I read it in a book that is so intellectual.

00:20:20.580 Yes.

00:20:21.400 I get all of my food from organic mushrooms that are picked in the wild.

00:20:25.860 Why forage for my food?

00:20:27.580 Why are we feeding homeless people industrially grown food?

00:20:34.040 Let them eat raspberries. 0.82

00:20:36.880 That's what they say.

00:20:38.340 Like I do on my estate.

00:20:40.100 On my estate, yes.

00:20:41.740 They can just pick it up off the ground.

00:20:45.040 Don't they know it grows naturally?

00:20:47.600 The gardeners always keep it tended.

00:20:51.620 Yeah, the naturally occurring migrant workers. 0.95

00:20:55.520 They're natural.

00:20:56.200 They talk about it in some of our other episodes.

00:20:58.360 They're like, yeah, we've got to keep our flow of migrant workers or we won't be able to 1.00

00:21:01.540 afford our lifestyle anymore if we don't have a permanent economic underclass to feed us.

00:21:08.540 Yeah.

00:21:08.820 But again, I continue to argue that I think this all comes from a good place in people's

00:21:14.580 hearts where they're just misguided.

00:21:17.720 And the point I'm meaning is the most evil acts can come from a good place in a person's heart.

00:21:24.180 Yes.

00:21:25.020 That I agree with.

00:21:25.960 I need to look at the prism.

00:21:27.840 When I'm deciding if someone is evil, I'm not looking at whether or not they believe they're a good

00:21:33.500 person or their actions are driven by the goal of reducing suffering.

00:21:37.620 Look, the antinatalists, Ephilus, who want to, as they say, Venus, the planet, destroy all life,

00:21:45.780 not just human life, all life on the planet.

00:21:48.020 They are motivated by a desire to reduce suffering.

00:21:52.580 You could say that's a good desire, yet what they take from that is obviously evil.

00:21:57.480 When you look at people like the Columbine shooters and stuff like that, and you read like

00:22:03.360 their manifesto, their goal was reducing suffering.

00:22:06.240 If you look at the Unabomber, his goal was reducing suffering. 0.67

00:22:12.280 Okay.

00:22:12.800 When you are categorizing into evil and not evil people, whether or not they are motivated by

00:22:18.940 the reduction of suffering in the world is not how you make that categorization.

00:22:23.860 That's fair.

00:22:24.480 It's whether or not they are okay with a world in which other people are allowed to live in 0.97

00:22:32.240 accordance with their own moral cores and value systems, and do the systems they want to

00:22:39.580 promote allow for, because in this world, like if the world is structured in a way that is

00:22:47.300 realistic, and this is one thing I love about Starship Troopers, another line I love from

00:22:52.980 Starship Troopers, right?

00:22:53.920 Figuring things out for yourself is the only freedom anyone really has.

00:22:57.880 Use that freedom.

00:22:59.380 Make up your own mind.

00:23:00.320 It's like the only freedom we really get in life is deciding what we want to do, you know,

00:23:06.980 and deciding what's right and what's wrong ourselves.

00:23:10.600 And that is only because we live in a broadly good society right now.

00:23:15.880 Individuals who want to move into a world where that isn't the case, where people cannot decide

00:23:20.820 their own perspective on reality, where people don't get to make their own choices about what

00:23:26.620 a man and a woman is, whether that's the far right perspective, where they want to erase

00:23:31.440 things like the trans identity, or the far left perspective, where they want to force trans

00:23:37.200 acceptance on individuals who simply have a come from cultural groups that ancestrally have

00:23:43.460 different gender constructs in that, in different relation to the way people relate to gender or

00:23:48.600 sexuality.

00:23:49.720 Both of those are equally evil.

00:23:52.900 And so when I see something like this, and I'm judging it as evil, I'm not doing it because I think

00:23:57.340 that they're the bad guys, or because they're motivated to hurt people.

00:24:01.240 I don't think they're motivated by a mean-spirited reason, but when somebody, like when you're

00:24:07.340 implementing the Great Leap Forward in China, which ended up, depending on the numbers you're

00:24:11.920 looking at, killing more people in five years than died in the entire American slave trade,

00:24:16.840 do you say those people are evil because they didn't think about the consequences of their actions?

00:24:21.440 We can say it wasn't motivated by outright maliciousness, but a lot of people during the slave trade

00:24:26.100 said, we're bringing these people Christianity, and we're bringing them civilization.

00:24:30.620 And how is that so dissimilar from the people in schools now who are taking people's children's

00:24:38.060 from them and saying, now that they are part of our cultural group and they relate to gender

00:24:42.160 differently, we need to take them from their birth family.

00:24:44.940 We need to raise them within our group.

00:24:46.560 And then you point out to them, you're like, actually, you're getting them on a regime of

00:24:51.620 medicine that they're going to have to pay for the rest of their life.

00:24:55.320 You haven't properly given them a background that's going to allow them to afford that.

00:25:00.000 You are dooming them to destitution and living off of either the charity of groups that you

00:25:06.980 control and thus under groups you control or off of state systems.

00:25:12.440 And they're like, we don't care.

00:25:13.940 Like they don't care about the damage or they don't, they're unwilling to conceptualize the

00:25:18.740 damage.

00:25:19.400 I don't know.

00:25:20.040 Like you would say they don't see any of this because they see the world in more of an

00:25:23.600 aesthetic sense than like a logical, if this.

00:25:26.400 Or an emotional sense.

00:25:28.720 Yeah.

00:25:29.640 And yeah, no, I agree with you.

00:25:31.400 We, yeah, people, everyone's doing the best they can with the information they have.

00:25:35.260 Sometimes the things are horrific and terrible and extremely damaging.

00:25:38.680 So you can't just let someone do whatever they're going to do because they think it's

00:25:42.140 for the best.

00:25:42.800 Well, they're thinking the same thing about us.

00:25:45.840 No, if everyone's doing the best they can with the information they have, then what

00:25:50.820 genuinely differentiates the people who choose a world of freedom, the people who are able

00:25:58.480 to say that my moral framework is not something I should impose on other people.

00:26:01.780 See, that's the thing, is in this world in which people are wrong and people are different,

00:26:08.200 the groups that decide to impose their view on everyone unilaterally are the closest to evil that I can

00:26:14.420 imagine because they have to, you have to have the intellectual humility to admit that you might be

00:26:20.920 wrong, right?

00:26:21.600 That's the key thing.

00:26:22.280 What makes them like this, I guess is my question, given the way that you structure

00:26:25.860 things.

00:26:26.260 I mean, I think a lot of it's culture.

00:26:28.780 It's a big cultural thing to say if, what do you do when other people are doing the wrong

00:26:33.900 thing or how do you deal with reality or being right or wrong?

00:26:38.440 I think that, don't you think it's culture?

00:26:42.340 No, I don't.

00:26:43.680 No?

00:26:44.580 I don't think, if I had been born into one of their families with whatever it is, genetic

00:26:49.440 predilections or something like that, I would never go along with this.

00:26:52.900 Yeah, I guess you're so anti-authoritarian.

00:26:55.440 And yeah, but then, I don't know, I feel like maybe there are some people who are both

00:26:59.780 anti-authoritarian, who could never go along with someone else's rule, who also would be

00:27:04.260 happy to rule over everyone themselves.

00:27:08.880 And I think it comes down to culture.

00:27:10.680 It comes down to giving people the right to make their own decisions if they want to opt

00:27:15.840 out of whatever your system is.

00:27:17.660 I don't see that.

00:27:18.720 That's too nuanced to me to be genetic.

00:27:23.720 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:27:25.440 Okay.

00:27:26.860 So then you'd think that what leads them down the path of evil is that they were born into

00:27:32.960 evil cultural groups. 0.98

00:27:34.760 Yeah.

00:27:35.040 And or exposed to them.

00:27:36.000 And this is something-

00:27:36.960 You were too.

00:27:38.060 You grew up in those groups and you hadn't gone down this path.

00:27:41.320 I know.

00:27:42.580 The progressive culture in which I grew up, and maybe this is a time thing, was actually

00:27:46.860 very different, was very live or let live.

00:27:49.320 We're not going to tell you how to live.

00:27:51.920 I'm not going to tell you how to live.

00:27:53.200 You don't tell me how to live.

00:27:54.700 It was extremely laissez-faire.

00:27:59.440 Okay.

00:28:00.120 So I'm still adhering to that element of my upbringing and my culture.

00:28:03.360 So the systems that they're putting in place, but they would argue that the systems they're

00:28:07.820 putting in place are live and let live.

00:28:09.320 They just want to reduce the world's population by 81%.

00:28:12.580 They want to do this through things like empowering women.

00:28:16.080 But the consequences that all of this is going to have are extreme.

00:28:20.840 So they don't even fall into the bad guy category because they're removing rights from other

00:28:25.380 people.

00:28:25.920 They fall into it from the consequences that will come of the decisions they're making.

00:28:32.720 Yeah.

00:28:33.700 Do you hold them responsible for that?

00:28:36.000 Or do you just say that most people don't think through the consequences of the decisions

00:28:39.100 they make?

00:28:39.760 I think, yeah.

00:28:40.840 And people should be held responsible for that.

00:28:42.700 But I, again, as you point this out frequently in the governance book, people are subject to

00:28:49.940 the incentives of whatever system they're in.

00:28:52.220 And our governing systems, the UN, et cetera, all of these organizations are not rewarded

00:28:58.080 for long-term oriented behavior.

00:29:00.860 They are rewarded for behavior that makes people, voters, donors, et cetera, feel good in the

00:29:06.960 moment.

00:29:07.320 And I think, again, when I go back to the emotionally motivated anti-natalist feelings that I can

00:29:13.880 relate to, long-term thinking doesn't make the tears go away.

00:29:20.080 So I think it's also an adverse incentives issue.

00:29:23.320 I suppose that makes sense.

00:29:24.540 All right.

00:29:24.880 I love you, Simone.

00:29:25.780 And I appreciate that you are why you are always this family's moral center.

00:29:32.720 No, because I'm clearly more emotional here.

00:29:35.300 You are the stalwart queen.

00:29:38.600 I do the work, okay?

00:29:41.860 Let me just get the work done.

00:29:44.600 You make the decisions.

00:29:46.020 You do the strategy.

00:29:47.060 You do the analysis.

00:29:48.380 And together, I think we'll make good decisions.

00:29:51.220 So I think we're a good combo.

00:29:53.380 But you need both of us.

00:29:54.600 You need someone to say, I'm putting my foot down.

00:29:57.240 This is ethically wrong.

00:29:59.700 And you need someone to slow down the process to make sure that everything has been considered.

00:30:04.500 So between the two of us, I think we'll be all right.

00:30:06.780 I love you to death, Simone.

00:30:08.040 I love you too, gorgeous.

00:30:09.100 I love you too, gorgeous.

00:30:09.300 All right.

00:30:10.980 You love me too.

00:30:13.760 I love you too.

00:30:14.600 I love you too.

00:30:14.940 I love you.

00:30:16.000 I love you too.

00:30:18.040 I love you too.

00:30:19.260 I love you too.

00:30:22.880 You're welcome.

00:30:23.640 You're welcome too.

00:30:24.000 I love you too.

00:30:24.560 You're welcome.

00:30:25.260 I love you too.

00:30:27.120 I love you too.

00:30:28.000 I love you too.

00:30:28.620 But you're welcome.

00:30:29.500 I love you too.

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Based Camp - April 15, 2024

Proof the UN Has Been Infiltrated by Anti-Natalists

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