Based Camp - Racism Through History (Get A PhD in Racism)

00:00:00.000 hello malcolm it's so nice to be speaking with you today because as is tradition on base camp we

00:00:06.380 will do what we probably should not do and today we're going to go through the history of

00:00:12.300 basically group-based and racial stereotypes it's going to be great we are going to teach you guys

00:00:17.400 this is this is what you come to base camp for you want to be educated but not educated in what

00:00:22.660 the system wants you to know yes you want to be educated in the dark lore we are gentlemen of

00:00:29.520 culture and by culture we mean you want to know not just what you call a jew today

00:00:36.320 what did you call a jew 300 years ago these are the important questions

00:00:41.760 not just what you call a black person today but what were the stereotypes black people had in

00:01:02.900 ancient europe what about the greeks what about the various european states were some people

00:01:09.200 primarily known for fetishes they had yes they were we will learn of course welcome to the museum

00:01:16.400 here we try to educate you on the dynamics of racism and prejudice in america we are now

00:01:22.960 entering the hall of stereotypes these wax figures represent how some intolerant people have labeled

00:01:28.660 minorities here we see a black person eating chicken and watermelon a stereotype that hurts

00:01:34.440 the african-american community what other stereotypes do you see here ah here's the arab 0.98

00:01:39.620 as a terrorist that's right but of course we know that not all arabs are terrorists don't we kids 0.56

00:01:44.420 like a covetous jew very good young man the idea that jews are only interested in money is very 0.99

00:01:49.680 old indeed ah here's a good one it's the stereotypical sleepy mexican what what oh man 0.97

00:01:55.800 what time is it oh i'm sorry i thought you were a wax sculpture no man i'm the janitor i'm supposed

00:02:00.360 been cleaning but i'm so tired oh so sleepy so let's go into it yeah and this you know this was

00:02:08.080 really spurred at least with me by the release of taki this 13m vintage language model which you

00:02:14.040 can also find on rfab along with other fab we have a section of rfab called historic chat and in it

00:02:19.540 you have models that were trained in different ways in different periods and now all of them

00:02:23.780 are working as far as i know um i was just using the talkie version and you asked talkie i loved

00:02:30.380 you sent me this image and this is actually a different one that i found when people on reddit

00:02:34.320 were comparing their findings because i actually think that whoever has talkie has has changed it

00:02:40.200 a little bit maybe nerfed it a little bit no wait what's this other one that you found can you send

00:02:45.500 it to me so i can add it to rfab no this was talkie but this was talking when it first came out

00:02:51.100 oh then people got mad after everything yeah after people shared their amazing findings

00:02:56.820 they changed it because i had difficulty replicating them but here's someone who

00:03:01.920 posted to talkie what do you think about race mixing in america talkie 1930 responded i think

00:03:09.440 mixture of races in america must be deprecated the white and black races can never live together

00:03:15.740 on terms of social and political equality the presence of slaves among freemen is an abomination 1.00

00:03:22.200 and although emancipation may in time remove that lot from our national 0.94

00:03:27.260 eschaton the amalgamation of the two classes must continue to be and it's kind of cut off but

00:03:36.940 regarded as yeah yeah regarded as something something bad like talking is kind of weird

00:03:41.780 and then it cuts off really early and it still does now but it clearly did for this person too

00:03:46.520 so yeah we i think we forget how pervasive various forms of racism and just actually i don't like

00:03:54.860 there really wasn't such a thing as racism it was just kind of like people recognized patterns and

00:04:00.380 started to turn them into jokes and had stereotypes about people in groups and it wasn't seen as a bad

00:04:05.960 thing it was and people i think also understood that these were not pervasive truths like well

00:04:13.400 if a person is x then obviously y it was just understood that there were averages and patterns

00:04:20.280 but that that became stereotypes and eventually that became defined is that this show averages

00:04:24.760 and patterns averages and patterns it's it's changing consumer behavior changing yes yes yes

00:04:32.340 yes but this goes back as long as basically there were different people so we are going to start

00:04:37.460 malcolm with ancient egypt i'm going to send you some so you wanted to turn our audience from

00:04:43.900 casual racists into professional race into yes into well scholarly racists into sophisticated

00:04:50.680 racists who understand the context and the okay that's what you come to base camp from this is

00:04:59.480 this is why you're here friends but yeah so in ancient egypt and this is really interesting

00:05:03.240 different groups were absolutely depicted differently in egyptian art with the egyptians

00:05:09.620 typically depicting themselves as like they're the reddish looking ones this is fascinating

00:05:14.780 nubians were given a very very dark color yeah this is where when people say that egypt was 0.96

00:05:23.080 run by black people i'm like you can look at egyptian art egyptians like characterized black

00:05:29.720 people in a very specific way and there actually was one dynasty that was run by black people it 0.87

00:05:35.600 was i think like a period of like 150 years 250 years or something like that yeah there's a lot

00:05:39.280 of history in egypt and the art changed in that period the pharaohs were drawn black right like

00:05:45.520 it's it's not there's not that much ambiguity there like it's pretty clear when egyptians

00:05:51.340 are attempting to depict and this is the thing about egyptian art it's so helpful because there

00:05:56.280 was this one way for hundreds and hundreds of years that everything kind of had to be drawn

00:06:00.520 like there wasn't much evolution in art so there's not this like oh no this is a stylistic choice no

00:06:05.400 like egyptians had they didn't have the capacity for that they're like no we're always going to

00:06:10.500 draw like there is one way of doing the person shall always be sideways we're not doing it it

00:06:15.440 is they're gonna look in this exact way it was very unusual to see art that differed from that

00:06:19.360 which is kind of helpful. But yeah, so Asiatics were tan and often bearded, and Libyans were

00:06:25.860 the palest looking ones and often bearded. For most of the European periods that historians

00:06:32.080 have looked at, Nubians were really framed or categorized stereotypically as people to be

00:06:39.180 conquered. I would at least want to be a Nubian in ancient Egypt. We'll put it that way. The texts 0.95

00:06:48.480 and artistic programs from pharaonic is that is that how we say it pharaoh pharaoh basically egypt

00:06:55.980 in the time of pharaohs sometimes emphasize nubia as this land to be subdued and exploited that's

00:07:02.100 kind of i think is as good as you can go and that kind of supported this idea of nubians also being

00:07:07.220 a little bit barbaric or less civilized they would show up in art often as as servants so

00:07:14.740 at least for most of Egyptian history, they did not get the greatest position. The Canaanites

00:07:20.720 and Asiatics were also though seen as rebellious and treacherous. So they're like culturally

00:07:28.980 suspect. They're linked to rebellion and disorder, but they were also trading partners. So rather

00:07:35.480 than just like, we're going to conquer you and take you over, it was well, like, well, we like

00:07:41.400 they're textiles so i guess they're okay kind of but like don't trust them that never trust you

00:07:47.680 know whoever you're buying your carpet from i don't know wait did they did they have specific

00:07:51.040 people who they were like don't trust them there were no there were no like specific figures but 0.96

00:07:55.800 i mean yeah you wouldn't trust a can what were the egyptian stereotypes about the nubians did 0.63

00:08:00.640 you look that up or should i pull that up right now there were i mean like this is also old that

00:08:05.660 a lot of this is conjecture that people are just trying to extrapolate from images so it's more

00:08:10.820 just you understand where they are in the social order based on a lot of art like the people who

00:08:15.780 are lower on the social order are depicted as smaller the pharaohs and the egyptians are

00:08:19.800 depicted as larger that's that's part of what people are looking at but yeah there was there

00:08:25.400 wasn't like a oh you know nubians they're like this i didn't pick up on anything from that 0.99

00:08:31.140 it's more just general like well these ones are reliable vassals and these ones we conquer them 1.00

00:08:38.220 that's what we do like we like to make art of us trouncing them which is kind of a occurring theme

00:08:43.440 of like there's us and there's others and that's going to show up a ton and i think it really helps

00:08:47.960 me contextualize the way that biases work today even within the most like anti-racist groups

00:08:56.080 there's us and there's others you know there's there's the the progressive enlightened woke

00:09:01.280 person and then there's nazis like it's one or the other what do you choose yours you know like

00:09:05.380 nazi is a new word for barbarian and looking at all this history has really helped me think of 0.65

00:09:09.880 that or contextualize that libyans i think were really interesting they were also barbarians to

00:09:14.500 the egyptians because they weren't egyptians but they turned into useful soldiers and then even

00:09:19.020 rulers for a short period like you were saying with nubians oh yeah with nubians they did have

00:09:23.640 stereotypes they were stereotyped as archers first of all and and mercenaries but that's because they

00:09:29.280 were archers and mercenaries right yeah that's not a stereotype that's just like a but there's

00:09:35.500 also the stereotype of the the wretched cush which you talked about of being a defeated enemy right

00:09:40.740 so they had a lot of nubian slaves bound captives kneeling prisoners being people being trampled

00:09:46.720 upon or slaughtered by the pharaoh yeah that's what you see again like smaller being defeated

00:09:51.700 in battle kind of like this is a loser i think the libyans in all the groups as perceived by

00:09:57.980 ancient Egyptians are the most interesting because they were like a frenemy kind of they weren't

00:10:03.180 totally bad they they were sometimes trading partners sometimes they were enemies they were

00:10:10.360 first mentioned in the new kingdom so going way back and they also look super interesting like 1.00

00:10:16.260 they have the most style and I wonder if that's kind of why the Egyptians were like frenemies

00:10:21.100 with them because they also had clearly a very distinct culture in images of Nubians they have 0.96

00:10:27.300 like this really distinct haircut where it's just short at the nape of the neck they have a side

00:10:31.880 lock of hair that they wear so they have like their hairstyles and they also have tattoos which

00:10:37.480 is such a like so they have this very distinct style they have fashion and then eventually so 0.99

00:10:43.440 many libyans migrated into egypt that they completely changed the political landscape of 0.99

00:10:49.660 the nile valley so maybe the libyans were some of the first ever like you know yeah this is like

00:10:57.080 oh the libyans like you know libyans yeah which i mean it's some things just never change right

00:11:04.640 like stereotyped as dangerous and warlike barbarians but also sometimes useful soldiers

00:11:10.900 which is kind of a complex cousin frenemy kind of culture so yeah anyway i i kind of didn't know

00:11:16.920 anything about libyans i listened to that really long great courses lecture series about ancient

00:11:21.320 egypt and i don't remember anything about libyans so i'm like let's come on it was always just

00:11:26.960 about like egypt really liking to trounce outsiders so i don't know okay okay do we have any graffiti

00:11:33.100 or anything from this period of making five people no all the graffiti that you'll typically find is

00:11:38.540 like roman or napoleonic scratchings on hieroglyphs or modern tourists defacing them let's

00:11:45.440 get to that let's keep moving then yeah ancient greece that they're very common of like you're

00:11:50.200 either someone who is hellenistic you spoke greek or you're barbarian and obviously the greeks well

00:11:56.460 i mean i remember they had a lot of stereotypes about the mass oh yeah persians persians they

00:12:01.620 were like look at these feet pretty boys like you can see this this part of darius here looking very

00:12:09.300 fancy he wasn't even always the persian rulers were not even always necessarily depicted

00:12:15.080 negatively but they were always depicted as very fancy and i can't remember what that movie was

00:12:20.740 where is that movie what was that movie we watched where like the persian ruler i think it was darius

00:12:25.420 in it well the idea of shaming idolatry or the accumulation of ostentatious wealth which is what

00:12:33.560 we think the idolatry bands are really about is like back to the beginning of western history

00:12:39.760 like the green spartans they laughed at the people who did this but on the opposite side of this you

00:12:45.740 have the the mastodonians who had a lot of stereotypes associated oh yeah no macedonians

00:12:50.140 were seen as like these heavy drinkers rackus partiers like sloppy drunks who didn't even mix 0.90

00:12:58.040 their wine what monster they were basically seen by the greeks the way most other cultures in

00:13:05.560 american history saw the greater appalachian region people they were they were the drunk

00:13:09.820 cousin of greece like they're the one you don't want showing up at the party who who drinks way

00:13:15.560 too much and then like but ultimately they were the much more effective population i know i know

00:13:21.420 i mean you have yeah you have alexander the great they come to the olympic games and it's like yeah

00:13:26.600 sure you're allowed but like it's the hillbillies coming to the olympic yeah it's like their hold

00:13:31.020 my beer moment and they go and conquer it's amazing for people who are familiar the macedonians

00:13:36.560 are the ones that philip of macedon alexander the great came from ended up conquering all of greece

00:13:40.920 than most of the known world at the time yeah and then you know cleopatra resulting from this like

00:13:46.120 the lasting influence there was few um and i i love it yeah back to persians though basically

00:13:53.240 and this is funny too you know we've done that episode where you're like well i don't know if

00:13:57.840 people in the middle east can handle democracy just like culturally like they can't this is

00:14:02.420 exactly what greeks thought about persians they were like well these decadent soft people 0.91

00:14:06.080 are naturally suited to monarchy they can't handle free citizenship they can't handle 0.92

00:14:10.920 i said that about arabs not about not about persians okay well right i'm saying the greek

00:14:19.180 said it about persians it's just that you know you're not the first person to say that a people

00:14:23.660 cannot handle you know free citizenship and voting some people for the people who think

00:14:29.140 that i'm being offensive there go to our episode on it the statistics you make a compelling

00:14:33.580 argument on how many times it has been the we have achieved stable democracies in the arab world

00:14:38.800 is astonishing low when contrasted with northern europe yeah of course athens was just sort of

00:14:45.580 considered the cultural capital of the world but i my understanding from the various accounts and

00:14:51.600 readings and stuff is that they everyone saw them as like that stuck up girl who thinks so much of

00:14:57.000 herself and yes she gets all a's and she's valedictorian and she's the richest girl in

00:15:00.640 class and she's super popular but everyone's like oh like stop you're this is tedious and everyone

00:15:06.600 saw spartans i mean rightfully so because here you have spartans sparta is really different they they 0.99

00:15:12.800 do not allow foreigners they're very afraid that outsiders are going to spy on them they have their

00:15:18.060 harsh militarized way of life you know both girls and young boys are training heavily the girls are 0.99

00:15:23.760 very athletic in contrast to the classic athenian woman who like the perfect athenian woman you'd 0.63

00:15:29.000 never see she would stay in the back house until she married and then go to someone else's like

00:15:33.340 back of their house and you just they were very absent from public life not very not very vocal

00:15:38.880 and then you know you have spartans who are property owners who are strong and athletic

00:15:45.900 and out there and here actually you can see because you just don't see statues of or depictions of

00:15:51.580 athenian women like this this is a statue of a spartan running girl like just a female athlete

00:15:58.120 you would see this in a museum and you would immediately know if this was from ancient greek 0.96

00:16:02.580 she must be spartan because like you don't you don't have like girls athletically running this

00:16:07.540 is not a it's not a thing that people do so i i need to see where this was founded but professor

00:16:14.900 rufus fears speaking for the great courses was like everyone because in in athens you would get

00:16:20.520 a wet nurse or something everyone wanted a spartan wet nurse because they were the toughest

00:16:24.260 and they wanted their babies to be drinking the milk of these strong women if they're like 0.99

00:16:28.900 especially male babies right you don't want that weak athenian you don't want that weak yeah no 0.75

00:16:33.500 this is this comes to an episode where we point out that cultures that are often more militaristic 0.85

00:16:41.020 typically the more martial a culture is the more gender equal it is between men and women

00:16:46.080 and we go into why in that episode but you're seeing this here with spartan women versus

00:16:50.060 athenian women yeah so the ionian greeks do can you imagine what they people thought of them

00:16:55.280 they're boring the coastal cities under persian rule what would they obviously thought they were

00:16:59.840 they're they're weak they're softened their mild climate has made them indolent that they're good 0.92

00:17:08.040 talkers but they're terrible warriors and then the boetians were just seen as hicks like those

00:17:12.540 just who are the boetians especially thebans like you're more aware of the band of thebes 0.83

00:17:17.900 they were seen as hicks they were the ones well they were brutish country hicks they were 0.99

00:17:21.720 agricultural they were uncultured they were uncosmopolitan keep in mind most of the people

00:17:26.260 like writing history are the athenians with all their books and all their there were a lot of 0.96

00:17:32.240 greeks who wrote history like herodotus was an ionian as far as i remember right i don't know

00:17:38.420 that sounds just like you know how new zealanders like you just see them outside of new zealand all

00:17:41.920 the time because they have to travel the world maybe that kind of fits with the whole you know

00:17:46.540 had to leave thing but i don't know yeah well so he wrote an ionic dialect and was deeply

00:17:52.240 influenced by ionic philosophical and historical traditions but he was technically in a region

00:17:57.300 settled by the dorian reeds but i don't know if they would have seen a different but yeah continue

00:18:03.140 okay we're gonna move on to ancient rome because this is where i actually was able to get some

00:18:08.140 good graffiti at least one instance that i i really loved in terms of like a stereotype because

00:18:12.800 it's not just finding old graffiti which is really hard to find okay but it's finding old

00:18:17.520 graffiti that depicts racial stereotypes and romans did a lot of graffiti they did a lot of

00:18:21.060 trash talk if you go for example to the the roman baths in bath in england in somerset you can see

00:18:27.540 some of the inscriptions on little pieces of i think what is it copper that people wrote on and

00:18:35.120 then dropped into a like sacred pool at a temple for a goddess year like so they would like write

00:18:41.640 on a thing throw it in the water for the god to hear and the things people wrote once they

00:18:46.780 carefully unfolded and read these inscriptions were so freaking petty they're like make so and 0.51

00:18:52.380 so blind for stealing my bag and like you know it was just people freaking hated each other

00:18:57.900 that we've been petty forever but that's not about a racial stereotype or it's not about a group-based

00:19:02.420 stereotype but here's is something delightful and i just love you know graffiti because it also looks

00:19:07.100 like such terrible drawings but tell me what you see malcolm okay okay okay

00:19:12.080 oh let's see i'll open it up here yeah what are you looking at here oh i know this one i've seen

00:19:19.560 this one before this um so so i don't even have to interpret it because i know this particular

00:19:25.080 art because it's famous yeah yeah but this is supposed to be somebody being crucified with a

00:19:30.720 donkey head and then somebody else is worshiping the person being crucified with a donkey head

00:19:36.300 And the writing says, go worship your donkey, God, because that is what Romans thought of 0.97

00:19:43.180 both Jews and Christians. 0.99

00:19:45.060 This is more Christians in this case. 1.00

00:19:46.600 Why the donkey? 1.00

00:19:47.520 Why the, do we know?

00:19:49.040 You know, it wasn't very clear, but it was just a well-known slur at the time that both

00:19:54.700 Jews and Christians worshipped a donkey.

00:19:56.960 This was an accusation that had a name. 0.78

00:19:58.960 It was called an idolatry, and they used the donkey head to mock Christ. 0.97

00:20:03.280 and this is specifically like it's an insult again because romans are like so freaking petty 0.56

00:20:09.040 and they're very targeted but it's it's an insult toward alexa menos but yeah it's like go worship 0.98

00:20:14.700 your donkey god alexa go worship your donkey god you nerd and then the guy in the picture looks 0.81

00:20:20.760 like a real guy like he would have been a person it's it's wonderful it's just trying to go about 0.99

00:20:26.440 his normal life yeah just trying to worship his donkey god i mean okay let me let me actually

00:20:31.880 double click on a knowledge tree because yeah where did they get donkey maybe because jesus 0.95

00:20:36.740 wrote into but then why would the jews worship a donkey worship of donkey and by extension 0.52

00:20:42.000 figurative devotion to fullness foolishness the core meaning in its literal sense means worship 0.99

00:20:47.780 of the ass or donkey as a deity yeah buddy in antiquity pagan authors in the hellenistic and 0.97

00:20:56.180 roman worlds accused jews and later early christians of idolatry claiming they worshipped 0.98

00:21:02.760 a donkey or donkey-headed idol the writers such as tacitus mentioned this slur and christian

00:21:09.480 apologists like tertullian and monicius felix referred to it in order to refute it why why

00:21:18.020 did they think Jews worshipped a donkey? Maybe it was, you know, one of those things that just like

00:21:32.940 if donkeys were fools, they're not really saying that Jews worshipped a donkey, but donkeys were 1.00

00:21:38.780 just a representation of like, this is a ridiculous religion. No text. Ancient Greek and Roman authors 1.00

00:21:47.400 did not seriously observe jews worshipping a donkey they developed that idea as a hostile

00:21:53.160 slur that blended ethnographic fantasy wordplay and polemic about anaconic worship anaconic

00:22:01.600 anaconic okay that's a new word anaconic ladies and gentlemen so yeah no it's just it's like an

00:22:11.400 intentional slur that has no basis in reality but they're like what are you doing

00:22:16.160 okay fine he's just just here for the ride oh not if you do that though let's get back to

00:22:28.320 what romans thought of people jews were seen as basically stubborn clicky weirdos they were

00:22:34.540 portrayed as very like hard-headed subjects with this herd mentality who are fiercely attached to

00:22:41.580 their weird unique customs such as circumcision and and deity laws and not not killing babies

00:22:48.360 yeah tacticist complained about that yeah like what who who are these crazy people who don't 0.57

00:22:54.660 even kill their weak babies and then all outsiders of course were barbarians greeks were admirable 0.70

00:23:00.100 but contemptible like they were like you know of course the source of philosophy and art they were 0.97

00:23:06.240 literature yeah yeah oh my god that is totally yeah they were nerds they were seen as as talkative

00:23:11.320 and tricky and morally weak and effeminate and prone to luxury and unreliable in war like brainy 0.51

00:23:17.180 but soft they were they were nerds oh greeks the og nerds i love that don't trust them 0.94

00:23:24.100 i wouldn't trust a greek not back then i'll tell you what for sure not yeah oh my god so was 0.99

00:23:30.420 no like nero then must have been kind of weeb like right because he's like i just love the 0.99

00:23:35.920 greek so much and i want to be an actor was that just a good way to think of the way the romans

00:23:41.120 viewed the greeks is the way americans view europeans oh my gosh okay yes like cultured

00:23:48.920 but like effeminate and weak right like they are not like yeah really set to run an empire come on 0.98

00:23:55.020 man america needs to come back on and crack some heads because they're being ruled by their women 0.96

00:24:01.720 again oh gosh that is that is such a thing yeah let's see just generally like syrians and 0.73

00:24:08.060 carthaginians and phoenicians were seen as sleazy merchants but i think like honestly and this is

00:24:13.340 showing up as a pattern anyone who kind of traded with your empire who's like an outside trading

00:24:18.360 partner was like oh suspicious i don't know but this makes sense because the dynamic is this is

00:24:23.380 a trading partner like they obviously want to get the better end of a deal you're negotiating so

00:24:27.680 you're going to have some level of distrust so i'm seeing like this pattern right there's the

00:24:32.480 libyans and then there's the phoenicians and oh egyptians though were seen as very ancient and

00:24:40.160 sinister with their weird superstition and their arrogant priests and their they they really

00:24:47.920 didn't also rome kind of resented them and i think that is similar to how china can resent the u.s 0.57

00:24:54.840 and other countries because Egypt was kind of the breadbasket for Rome they were really

00:24:59.240 especially especially during certain times dependent on them for food so it was like well

00:25:04.460 they need Egyptian grain but they're also these like weird mysterious superstitious people and

00:25:12.320 they were kind of like fascinated and disturbed by them it was as if like you need all of your

00:25:17.040 food from or like a lot of your food from some like oh like your kid in the cafeteria and your

00:25:24.780 parents always neglect to pack your lunch but like this creepy goth girl in the corner

00:25:28.300 like wiccan is like yes come and i will read your tarot it's like well i need the food and she's 0.77

00:25:35.720 kind of hot but she really creeps me out so i don't want this and i think cleopatra i i read

00:25:42.200 i've read multiple biographies about her really played up this stereotype and used it well because

00:25:48.600 she was the goth girl of her era she was the hot goth of her era 100 very dramatic yourself with

00:25:56.680 like a snake or whatever right like 100 i mean she was totally the hot goth of her time and 0.98

00:26:02.020 very like that girl too in high school who like sleeps with all the guys because she like 1.00

00:26:06.760 understands how to play their tune and use them to her advantage and do the mysterious gothy 0.70

00:26:12.860 yeah for real shoes yeah so spooky that was egyptians they were spooky 0.93

00:26:19.500 and then in general like persians and parthians were viewed as as pretty formidable enemies

00:26:26.600 and kind of that i think similarly to how egyptians viewed libyans it's like oh well

00:26:33.340 you are a formidable enemy like i worry about you i think similarly to how greeks viewed persians

00:26:39.160 of like ah i mean you're a feat and pretty and you know your people are soft but yeah i gotta

00:26:45.140 watch out for you the gauls were seen as these noble savages so while they were seen as like

00:26:50.480 hot-headed and brave noble savages they were also seen as like sort of impetus and simple and prone

00:26:56.840 to rashness kind of like big meatheads i guess the meatheads of the north they were the the jock on

00:27:02.560 the the high school team they were just kind of follow orders i guess from some leader from i'm

00:27:07.160 trying to get more roman jewish stereotypes than you had because i don't i don't like i don't think

00:27:11.160 you you you had enough there of my roman jews and then the but the germans were seen as even more

00:27:17.360 savage versions of the gauls and i know that like germany wasn't a thing yet but like people from 0.89

00:27:21.480 that region that is now germany they were like the extra extra gauls they were super gauls they

00:27:28.180 were even more savage even more unconquered they were like they came from the trees from the dirt 0.98

00:27:33.980 they were like dirt people and they wait who were who were the super gold the germans 0.94

00:27:39.940 well i mean like they were from the yeah and like they they were they totally were they were both 0.78

00:27:45.560 like romanticized by the romans who were like ah these noble savages i think they were kind of the

00:27:50.540 og noble savage okay i pulled up their their jewish stereotypes oh no okay go on swannish 0.69

00:27:56.600 anti-social and misanthropic specifically jews were accused of refusing to mix with others 0.93

00:28:02.280 sitting apart at meals sleeping separately and showing loyalty only to fellow jews tacticus

00:28:07.800 the harshest didn't i say that cookie wrote that uh and tacticus by the way was the the biggest 0.59

00:28:13.940 source he was the one who complained that they wouldn't kill their babies that they sit apart

00:28:17.200 at meals and they sleep apart and they were prone to lust they abstained from for oh he says while

00:28:23.280 they're prone to lust they abstain from foreign women i love that's one of the problems they're

00:28:27.400 prone to lust but only they're not taking our women like what really compassion only to each 0.88

00:28:34.980 other and were hostile to all others cithra complained that the jews stick together and 0.95

00:28:38.720 had undue influence in roman assemblies that's hilarious okay so the jews control all of rome 0.69

00:28:45.980 they're all in our assemblies guys they they did not like the pork taboo was frequently ridiculed 0.98

00:28:51.580 circumcision was ridiculed sabbath's observance ridiculed and the anachronism that you talked

00:28:56.980 about yeah yeah and they really hated and see our episode if you're not familiar with this but the 0.91

00:29:02.480 most common complaint about jews is that they were always attempting to convert romans which

00:29:06.980 obviously has changed in judaism and see our episode the question that breaks judaism where

00:29:11.120 we go over the history of this change in judaism yeah it's a there's a abundant coverage of this

00:29:18.920 but let's move on to medieval europe basically there were these and and this is interesting

00:29:23.880 the barbarians changed a little and it was kind of like they're barely christian the primary

00:29:29.940 concern with barbarians like the irish the welsh the slavs baltic people it was like are they even 0.91

00:29:35.400 christian like what what are these monsters but that's kind of like the measuring stick is how 0.96

00:29:40.100 christian are these good christians but anglo normal norman writers in england and also people

00:29:45.860 living in what's now Germany would just routinely depict nearby frontier peoples which you know

00:29:52.160 were Scottish Irish Slavs more far northern people is just basically violent pastoralists 0.89

00:30:00.700 pirates plunderers they were resistant to law and agriculture like do you even farm bro and needing 0.96

00:30:07.080 to be conquested sorry conquered and they needed it wasn't just conquest it was also missionary

00:30:13.800 work like we gotta send we gotta these guys need jesus like they were they were really worried

00:30:18.620 about them they were they needed to to be civilized you needed to climb the well i i'm

00:30:24.400 giving you stuff but you're just throwing it climb the rungs of civilization and and and be

00:30:29.640 shown a better way i haven't heard back love but yeah this so this this they need to be civilized

00:30:37.820 stereotype was also used to excuse or justify expansion into these territories which i think

00:30:45.940 is like a fairly to be expected pattern right like of course they would that that makes sense

00:30:51.780 we you can kind of see here's an image like there again there's not much like imagery but here's

00:30:58.100 some engravings by albrecht dur during the 1500s of pastoral people you have to see just other roman

00:31:07.300 graffiti that i found that wasn't racist but could be racist because look at nose man looks

00:31:11.840 just so weirdly modern and i i freaking love it and that's very hilarious yeah someone didn't like

00:31:22.120 him or his floppy nose here are the pastoralists so i don't know they just look kind of like

00:31:27.940 they're they're dancing once playing a bagpipe they're just kind of like uh like i don't know

00:31:33.540 lazy vagabonds like lazy yeah lazy vagabonds i guess is kind of the look they're going for 0.86

00:31:39.060 so that's the closest i could get to like a a picture of them but the scots especially were 0.89

00:31:45.900 just seen not only as you know among these things of like more in need of civilization and everything

00:31:51.260 but like southern scotland was seen as like kind of cool like kind of chill they're all right and

00:31:55.800 like northern scotland was like no they're they're the worst they're poor and terrifying but broadly

00:32:00.720 speaking they were seen as militarily dangerous but just poor and less civilized and they just

00:32:07.260 had these small poor towns and these people in there in the swaddling swaddling what do you

00:32:15.380 what do you call them kilts not kilts what are like the actual garments that people used to wear

00:32:20.900 in scotland that you wrap around they're very long you know what i'm talking about

00:32:24.800 she's talking about a great kilt i forget the name i know what you're talking about yeah

00:32:30.460 i was thinking of trump's phrase swaddling hijab which i just thought was the best phrase ever but

00:32:36.320 yeah they were very like persistent enemies and there there was a lot of understanding of them

00:32:41.020 being stubborn and warlike the jews here's where like the stuff the anti-semitic stuff gets i guess 0.97

00:32:47.280 good and what where you were expecting something what i did not expect to see was a very big 0.92

00:32:52.660 recurring theme with the jews do you know what it is have you seen like older anti-semitic art like 0.98

00:32:57.980 1300s to 1700s if they're stupid hats no no it involves a farm animal i don't know what it is 0.99

00:33:08.260 no so for whatever reason pig suckling is just all over the place the suckling that there's 0.99

00:33:15.540 lots of like here here's an example so they think they use drink milk directly from pigs that was

00:33:20.860 the stereotype yeah no check check this out so this is a church in wittenberg this is actually

00:33:25.480 church where Martin Luther preached once. And there was a fairly recent controversy where people

00:33:30.920 were like, dude, this, this carving in this, this 1300s carving in this church is like super

00:33:36.960 antisemitic. It shows a bunch of Jews suckling from a pig. What do you think it is? It's why 0.98

00:33:42.000 people like raise people. Oh, like I'm raising you. Yeah. So racism is just another word for

00:33:49.460 pronatalism crazy because we're racing we're raising him we're raising we believe in racism 0.98

00:33:57.860 yeah i like that where was i right suckling pigs right so the the this this this church in 0.98

00:34:05.960 by the way wasn't taken down anti-semitism is alive and well what a horrible thing they took

00:34:11.800 down something for the 1300 it would be it would be like it's it's helpful to understand the history 0.79

00:34:17.000 of bias so and we don't know that jews at that time period didn't suckle for pigs right i mean

00:34:23.420 so here's another one i this this is really pretty explicit it's kind of hard to make out 0.58

00:34:30.260 what's happening in this anti-semitic engraving from the this is also the 1300s and i couldn't

00:34:37.840 get a great translation but it's there's someone eating something out of the butt of what i believe 0.98

00:34:44.880 is also a pig another person is suckling from its very full teat people have got horns because you 0.71

00:34:52.280 get the jew horns the two horns of course appear that only makes sense yeah i mean duh and there 0.99

00:34:57.860 there's what appears to be possibly a dead baby at the top so maybe here's where we get the you

00:35:04.080 know blood and the babies i don't know it's kind of hard to tell i don't speak yeah i mean this 0.95

00:35:11.780 this puts modern anti-semitism to shame you know here's another image of more jews suckling from a 0.95

00:35:18.900 pig what like this i just blindsided me like why why are we why and they're dressed like the 0.98

00:35:28.000 freaking babies from that one skit like ozymandias or whatever the which is also hilarious and one 0.99

00:35:34.860 of them is i guess looking at the poo and the other ones are suckling from its teat and another 0.96

00:35:40.820 one is looking at the baby's butt and they're in like baby outfits what is the meaning of life 0.95

00:35:47.620 well then what's your answer i'll never be able to say something as profound as my brother my

00:35:53.060 desire for my words to have sterile clinical literal meanings is sort of a wall that prevents

00:36:00.040 me from venturing close to people sometimes i think the most direct route to another's heart

00:36:05.980 is through nonsense and nonsense has always eluded me well to you then what is the direct

00:36:10.460 literal meaning of life i hope before i am dead and my atoms are collected back into the neutron

00:36:18.060 star at the center of the baby dimension that i will discover why the love that i have for my

00:36:25.300 brother was not enough for him to feel whole when that love is all that sustains me and all that i

00:36:34.520 think I will ever have. I think what he meant to say was we like to have fun and get tickled.

00:36:41.680 Okay. Right? Fun and tickles! Fun and tickles! Yeah and this I think I did not encounter any level

00:36:49.360 of we'll say hatred or racism or othering against any group at all that I did with Jews during

00:36:59.060 medieval to renaissance europe that's fascinating that like jews really like the the west learned 0.80

00:37:05.700 how to racism with jews no like for real this was when like they went hard on them because again i 0.95

00:37:12.960 had difficulty finding a whole lot of hate on other groups it's like oh you know those bumpkins 0.94

00:37:17.740 no what i also find funny about because it's just how extreme it is compared to modern let me be 0.99

00:37:24.480 clear it's not just this weird pig suckling thing it is that they they basically thought they were

00:37:29.260 like not human like they had all these things that they thought they were like they had weird

00:37:34.700 bodily traits that other humans didn't have like that they were hemorrhoidal and had monthly

00:37:40.140 bleeding that wasn't just for women they they were very seen as as melancholic and greedy and

00:37:48.600 spiritually obstinate and this this was like a hereditary genetic like they they were very much

00:37:56.600 seen as subhuman like as as as monsters and then this this fell into more broad notions that jews 0.81

00:38:03.540 were these fixed outsiders that you you could not integrate them into a christian new israel

00:38:10.420 and they were associated very much with usury and corruption and actually not aldosexley was just 0.67

00:38:16.540 reminding me the other day in our xdms that it's really really weird this idea among evangelical

00:38:23.260 americans that like well we want jews in israel because you know we need that for the second

00:38:27.740 coming this whole idea like in in europe he he reminded me us that like in europe but no just

00:38:35.860 the idea is that christians are the descendants of jews and only like you need christians in israel

00:38:40.540 you don't need jews in israel yeah the the crusades were not about re-winning israel for

00:38:46.140 the jews yeah exactly so that is something that's a different interpretation and i think it is a

00:38:52.660 if i'm going to be honest i think the evangelical interpretation of those particular passages

00:38:57.180 seems to be more literalist and as intended than the interpretation that the catholic church took

00:39:05.280 in the medieval period the catholic church took a bunch of crazy positions in the medieval period

00:39:10.920 that are just not heavily supported by the bible and a lot of christians forget just how much of

00:39:16.680 that is like i always point out like the trinity for example is just not that well supported by

00:39:23.400 the bible as a concept it's not the bible isn't specifically antagonistic to the trinity it

00:39:28.460 doesn't argue against it but like it came out as a concept like 300 years later and so when people

00:39:33.000 were like oh you guys don't believe in the trinity you're not real christians i'm like

00:39:35.640 excuse me that was not a thing for most of not my canon yeah exactly yeah it's like that that is

00:39:44.440 that is a well i think a lot of christians forget the stuff that came in in the early councils and

00:39:49.200 the stuff that's actually in the bible and they conflate the two really heavily totally i just

00:39:53.460 sent you some more i sent you one more jew one um again of juice again they're stuck they can't get 0.97

00:39:58.420 off this pig and one of them it looks like he wants to lick the pig the pigs hole on the wrong 0.99

00:40:05.100 side three are suckling from the teat the other one is chewing on its tail and riding it backwards 0.95

00:40:11.000 oh thank god they're just like they i've never seen racist art this explicit so as a palate

00:40:17.960 cleanser i'm gonna i also sent you my faith my favorite ones this bird i guess the chicken okay

00:40:25.540 there's the guy i really like the guy i think i think i think octavian would have drawn this

00:40:29.960 chicken just it looks like something that octavian would have drawn i think my favorites just like

00:40:34.580 the little dude not the one with the hat but just like the dude with the sword looks like a certain 0.54

00:40:40.160 internet style you know what i mean it's kind of a kind of invader zim it's kind of giving invader

00:40:45.040 zim and i definitely have the style of modern internet art actually yeah i'm like oh my gosh

00:40:49.420 like nothing is new nothing is new i love actually the guy was a hat also has a style of like some

00:40:55.500 modern cartoons totally like what were these just over educated medieval art scholars who had to

00:41:02.340 like get a commercial job and ended up illustrating for cartoons what is going on but also i guess

00:41:06.520 humans just draw certain ways so who cares i i don't know but i found that very entertaining

00:41:12.740 moving on to renaissance europe this is what you alluded to earlier the vice concept emerged we have

00:41:19.580 the french vice the english vice and the italian vice which is delightful i think most people came

00:41:27.660 to learn about the French vice in various movies and shows about the court of King Henry VIII

00:41:34.700 and the Boylan sisters. And that is because they spent some of their youth in the French

00:41:40.700 royal court, which was the source of this reputation of the French vice. It was seen as this

00:41:47.220 very sexually loose place where you'd learn all sorts of tricks that the very prudish English

00:41:55.700 women didn't know i will leave this to your imagination but imagine and of course this is

00:42:01.140 what people were saying we don't know what actually happened in the bedroom but imagine

00:42:04.660 king henry the eight's delight when he discovers these young women from the french court who can

00:42:10.580 do things to him that he couldn't even imagine after spending all this time with his catholic

00:42:15.460 wife isabel right her name was isabel so yeah this was like it was very much a reputation

00:42:20.980 i think this is really downstream of the fact that the court the french court in general involved a

00:42:27.300 lot of mistresses so there was this depiction of like well there's just where there's mistresses

00:42:32.260 there's got to be a lot of sex and where there's a lot of sex you've got to have a lot of like

00:42:35.860 weird stuff going on and even to this day you have french kissing you know and there's still

00:42:40.420 reference kissing yes come on like but think it's like some english person who's never used tongue

00:42:46.820 who's like well this must be the french style you know like this thing holds it holds really well

00:42:52.100 which is absolutely delightful and then the important thing about these vice reputations

00:42:57.220 the the english vice the italian vice etc is it once the seeds were planted in renaissance europe

00:43:03.940 in the early modern era they just started to compound and grow on each other so after this 1.00

00:43:10.660 became kind of a thing because of some you know like french court women kind of being seen as

00:43:15.540 sexually manipulative because there are all these mistresses floating around you started to get

00:43:20.660 french literature really leaning into it and there was this rise of this international publishing 0.63

00:43:25.780 industry so you also have the printing press making this worse but around the mid 1600s

00:43:30.980 all these erotic and semi-pornographic french books started entering the germanic region they

00:43:38.820 started entering the uk all these all these basically french romantic and erotic smut

00:43:44.420 started entering the rest of europe and printing presses made it super pervasive so imagine like

00:43:49.880 suddenly books exist and and all the romance novels that are really smutty come from france

00:43:55.740 you're gonna start to like build on this reputation and when i was younger i remember 0.99

00:44:02.560 the french women were known for being like slutty and not shaving their armpits 1.00

00:44:06.800 you know some people find that hot i don't but so it's got someone's i've heard yeah some people 1.00

00:44:12.900 find bush hot too i i don't understand but anyway these these dirty books were basically like

00:44:18.460 french and i think french people leaned into the stereotype because they kind of liked being a

00:44:24.060 little sexy and so that's that's it and a very similar thing i so i didn't know about i didn't

00:44:29.140 know about the french literature compounding the issue and the printing press really fomenting it

00:44:34.140 i also didn't know why the italian vice became such a big thing so from the later middle ages

00:44:42.040 onward outsiders started to associate certain italian cities not all but especially florence

00:44:49.160 as having widespread male same-sex love and social networks that made these relationships super

00:44:56.220 visible and pretty common so basically there it was like the first gay scene was in florence

00:45:02.980 i wonder if having italy be disproportionately gay during the period of the development of many

00:45:11.140 key catholic institutions and doctrines is what played such a large part in such a large portion

00:45:17.260 of the catholic priesthood being same-sex attracted and the sort of large gay networks that many

00:45:24.360 people have called out milo yiannopoulos for example wrote a book on the lavender mafia as

00:45:29.760 he called it and we recently did an episode on the quote-unquote gay jewish priest who ended up

00:45:34.900 writing core catholic doctrine but these individuals ability to so thoroughly gain

00:45:39.940 control of the church and its doctrine and teachings maybe they gay people chime in in

00:45:45.080 the comments if there's some other first gay scene but like it seems like that really well i mean

00:45:50.100 obviously there's there's like pre-modern gay scenes like thebes and stuff like that but yeah

00:45:54.360 sure well yeah well allegedly we don't know for sure but there's evidence pretty sure about the

00:45:59.880 troops the band of thebes is there really because i remember like getting so excited about it and

00:46:04.800 being like this is my yaoi romance let's go i need to learn more and they were like well it wasn't

00:46:11.240 we're not sure we're not sure what happened during what it was but there was a period where it

00:46:18.060 happened yeah yeah so i decided to go over all of the primary evidence we have for this and it's

00:46:24.460 just demonstrable one that the sacred bands of thebes existed we know this because they helped

00:46:30.660 the line against the Spartan king, Aegeus II in 378. They, at the Battle of Tiarga in 375 BC,

00:46:40.520 under Paliapus, the 300 routed a much larger Spartan force. For the first time, Spartans 0.91

00:46:45.900 were defeated by a much smaller force, first of all. They were instrumental in the stunning

00:46:53.480 Theban victory over Spartans at Lucretia 371, which ended Spartans' dominance over Greece,

00:46:59.080 and the units fought others campaign until it was ultimately annihilated at the battle of

00:47:03.500 carenion in 338 bc by the army of philip ii of mastodon so for a long period we have evidence

00:47:13.660 of them existing in terms of them being an armory of gay lovers this was attested by plutarch

00:47:21.120 dionysius plato xenophon and other attestations appear including pelinus athenius diodotus

00:47:30.000 sickus and several others so there's at least six ancient writers that describe the erotic pairing

00:47:36.920 so and we have our archaeological evidence there is the lion of charon a monetary funeral lion

00:47:44.580 And in 1879 to 1880, Greek archaeologist Pantagus Stamicus excavated a site and found

00:47:51.720 254 skeletons arranged in rows, seven rows, with some pairs having arms length and hands

00:47:56.940 class consistent with the, what we're aware of is this.

00:48:01.020 So yeah, this is almost certainly not a legend and was a real force in which it was made

00:48:06.300 up of gay men and was able to dramatically outperform forces that were thought of as

00:48:11.360 Like the Spartans famous thing, if 300 men beat like 3,000 Persians, and then apparently they were beat by a fraction of their own number of the band of thieves, who then were themselves beat by the hillbilly Macedonians, showing that hillbilly style always beats all other styles.

00:48:29.120 Also, fun fact of my genetic chart, the place where my ancestry, if you go to the pre-English part of my ancestry, it traces back from Macedon.

00:48:38.060 anyway oh well yeah and i guess gay romance was kind of a thing throughout ancient greece and

00:48:43.820 rome never mind totally i went oh god and like never mind yeah pervasive never mind totally 0.94

00:48:48.380 wrong it's the world has been gay for all of history oh no see our episodes do gays destroy 0.77

00:48:53.340 civilization where we go over this like where do we actually see gays in history when do we see 0.90

00:48:57.340 gays in history and does it precede civilizational collapse yeah basically we find it doesn't appear

00:49:02.840 too yeah but there is evidence from because this is the point at which it's illegal court records

00:49:10.240 witness testimonies moralizing tracts that that indicate the presence of active male queer

00:49:17.380 communities in cities like florence and this helped cement the idea that this was a more tolerant area 0.76

00:49:25.540 i mean it's kind of ironic right because they're like no don't do it stop but but you know they

00:49:30.360 they kept doing it and then by the 17th century because phrases like the italian vice became

00:49:35.900 kind of like a shorthand for gay advice sleeping around with the french vice and bdsm was the

00:49:42.780 english vice yeah yeah i'm gonna get to the uk next but yeah because the italian vice was shorthand 0.82

00:49:48.660 for gay stuff then people would start to go to italy for their gay rum springa tourists would

00:49:56.700 even in the early 1800s sort of revive and spread this stereotype because they were both fascinated

00:50:06.020 and scandalized by this reputation and they they wanted to check it out and maybe be like oh oh

00:50:12.940 the gay early proto-gay bars and stuff it kind of was yeah it's like the cape cod fire island 0.96

00:50:18.940 province town of europe you know being born in fire island the gay kinky boot of europe yes 0.72

00:50:25.160 it's it's beautiful it's beautiful so yeah i i didn't know that that it was like a sort of a 0.95

00:50:30.740 self-fulfilling prophecy thing although of course the the court records show that it was

00:50:34.240 a thing they were trying to stop now the english vice is super interesting because first england

00:50:39.500 was super known for being very puritanical and sex negative and not not very interesting when

00:50:47.140 it came to sexual relations okay okay but then i think part partly because it was so dour and 0.97

00:50:54.320 puritan and sexually repressed and a bunch of sanctimonious proto karens freaked out when

00:51:00.820 people did do slightly kinky things that it then developed this reputation for flagellation which

00:51:08.360 then evolved into our understanding of like bdsm because there were commentators like trying to

00:51:16.020 say don't do this and people like criminalizing what do we what do we not do what we're where

00:51:22.500 where where is the video i'm not supposed to look at what video that's a joke when you're

00:51:29.140 describing a video or something like that it's like oh oh yeah where's the i definitely won't

00:51:35.500 look at that video can you just give me the url for it you know the joke come on

00:51:39.360 oh no i don't maybe it's a not girl thing but anyway my bros would get it you're just too

00:51:50.600 i am i am an old i'm a i have the soul of a 62 year old woman who's probably not that online but

00:51:57.060 anyway basically around the 19th century especially english public culture became

00:52:02.740 super moralizing and there were all these laws against male same-sex acts and this made britain

00:52:11.240 a focal point for debates about homosexuality which is also sometimes seen as the british vice

00:52:16.860 along with flagellation and then in that climate continental commentators would talk

00:52:23.400 about the english vice to refer to specific behaviors either flagellation or same-sex

00:52:29.440 relations because it was it was more prevalent in like a sex work context or in people getting

00:52:36.520 caught and in big trouble for it and it kind of happened in a way it was like late onset italian

00:52:43.980 vice so italy really got the brunt of the same-sex reputation and what really stuck with the

00:52:49.640 uk was the bdsm stuff that is not what i've heard about how the uk got the bdsm stuff oh maybe i was

00:52:56.540 reading the wrong source so what did you get i heard that it came from british private schools

00:53:02.700 that use flogging as a punishment mechanism there's this one book that's called the english

00:53:09.700 vice it is a picture of a school teacher a male school teacher who's short and stout and has

00:53:17.360 something of a whip i mean maybe it was it came from this rep i haven't read the book i i did not

00:53:21.940 read an entire book for this one episode i'm so sorry but apparently what would happen is the kids

00:53:27.380 would go and do it to each other oh like them that's that's where like they'd be like oh this

00:53:33.860 is kind of kinky or whatever and then it like took off as like a thing that people would do i mean

00:53:40.600 i think you know bds well yeah i mean school paddles were super pervasive corporal punishment

00:53:46.240 was extremely pervasive in british schools so it maybe it's also that because that form of

00:53:53.180 corporal punishment especially things like the paddle were very very common in british schools

00:53:57.940 that more people learned they were into it right like ayla writes in her on her substack about how

00:54:06.420 like she didn't think she was that into sex and then experienced for the first time some forms

00:54:11.820 of like bdsm and was like oh my god and maybe the thing is like in the rest of europe there may not

00:54:17.900 have been this exact type of corporal punishment like being spanked with a paddle or something in

00:54:23.000 the same kind of context also public humiliation right so it could just be that certain forms of

00:54:28.860 attempted puritanical punishment in the uk awoken sexually a bunch of people who if not exposed to

00:54:38.300 that would never have known that it would cause such satisfaction yeah that makes sense the rest 0.59

00:54:44.700 is not that interesting that muslims are seen as fanatical warriors basically they were like

00:54:49.240 sexually threatening and religiously dangerous and you kind of admired them for their courage 1.00

00:54:55.240 but you feared them as these enemies of christendom so they were kind of just like the 0.98

00:54:59.560 big scary bad other yeah and northern europeans again like sort of barbaric dull workhorses not 0.89

00:55:07.360 very smart and then in contrast southerners were seen as very indulgent drama queens what's super 0.81

00:55:15.200 interesting to me is that this even falls into a microcosm microcosmic context with places like

00:55:22.520 italy like within italy northern italians were seen as industrious but like socially cold

00:55:32.060 and southerners were seen as lazy and emotional and yet like throughout the rest of europe also

00:55:39.340 northerners were seen as like these workers who were kind of like boring and stern and like anyone

00:55:44.780 And South was seen as like, oh, like, oh, so emotional and kind of lazy.

00:55:50.300 What's ironic to me is that this is still portrayed even in my Korean Mawa books, which shows how cross-cultural it is that you always have the archetype of the Duke of the North, who's super cold and competent and warlike.

00:56:04.960 And then the Duke of the South, who's often very charismatic, likable, geniable, funny, outgoing.

00:56:13.360 and of course my favorite is the duke of the north that's why i always have myself drawn that way

00:56:18.820 and it's very interesting to me that i mean we have i think we have some done some different

00:56:23.760 episodes about the role that heat and cold play in civilizational development and that i mean

00:56:30.300 clearly if you live in a very cold climate the only the conscientious people will survive because

00:56:37.340 only the conscientious people will have built shelters and food supplies that can get them

00:56:42.180 through an extremely cold and frozen winter where no food grows. And in Southern cultures,

00:56:46.820 you're more likely to see some maybe more charismatic, but indolent people make it through

00:56:52.800 genetic chokeholds because they don't depend so much on delayed gratification and preparation

00:56:59.280 and building in order to survive because it's not going to become a frozen tundra for like

00:57:04.960 four months out of the year. So I found that interesting and that the stereotypes would

00:57:10.120 play out that way, but that is the just of what I found. 0.72

00:57:13.720 Ancient Russian stereotypes they've ever seen is incredibly backwards and animalistic, 0.91

00:57:18.880 but they also got their butts whipped by like every horde that came through their country 0.74

00:57:23.080 in like really brutalistic ways.

00:57:25.820 Like the famous case where they put a bunch of people under a table and had a feast while

00:57:29.880 crushing them.

00:57:30.880 What?

00:57:31.880 That's horrible. 0.99

00:57:32.880 This was the Mongols or the Huns or one of one of these groups. 0.98

00:57:35.620 Oh yeah.

00:57:36.620 I didn't even get into the Mongols. 1.00

00:57:38.560 is art of the mongols being you know terrifying i feel like that's something we don't need to be 0.99

00:57:43.460 enlightened on because we all know it that they'd be scary we should do a whole other episode on the 0.93

00:57:47.500 history of american interracial racism like the different groups and how they hated each other

00:57:52.060 yeah if this episode does well and y'all like it we'll we'll we'll get into yeah

00:57:56.160 and then like do a museum where it's like a bunch of like jemima and jemimas and stuff oh my god

00:58:07.320 right in the aunt jemima restaurant was it called the aunt jemima restaurant or was it called

00:58:10.780 something else something like that i mean even we had aunt jemima syrup and even i watched like

00:58:16.520 shirley temple movies where it was like there was some token uncle figure who would like sing and

00:58:24.840 dance and just be it's so weird it's so weird yeah that could be an interesting episode but also

00:58:31.200 probably gonna get this channel in big trouble so i don't know i don't know i don't think i don't

00:58:37.180 I mean, we'll focus mostly on non-discriminated groups in a modern context.

00:58:42.460 Well, we just, we were declared racists by our own child.

00:58:47.400 Yeah, he said that we raise him, so we're racists.

00:58:52.000 I love that.

00:58:53.880 I love that so much.

00:58:54.960 What does racism mean, Octavian?

00:58:57.920 Well, raise.

00:58:59.260 Raise.

00:58:59.800 You raised me.

00:59:00.760 It's people who raise.

00:59:03.440 We've got to take that.

00:59:05.260 We've got to take it.

00:59:06.400 Yes.

00:59:07.180 yes okay well i love you i'm going to go make you pumpkin no yeah pumpkin curry with bok choy

00:59:14.600 with bok choy i think would be great and you can put it on top of yeah whatever

00:59:19.120 do you really want fries or do you really want well with bok choy well with right with bok choy

00:59:25.580 i think you want rice to soak up the curry yeah i think rice would be the right thing with bok choy

00:59:31.040 and i'm just gonna stir fry the bok choy with the curry like the last like 30 seconds right i don't

00:59:37.860 want to cook it that much right yeah you don't you don't cook the bok choy that long and you

00:59:41.400 might want to put in a little bit of like oyster sauce or something with this so that the bok choy

00:59:45.080 works a bit better with the pumpkin curry yes sure let's do it anything outside from oyster

00:59:51.740 oyster sauce you want hoisin sauce as well for a little sweetness i guess the pumpkin brings so

00:59:55.520 sweet you don't really need it yeah you don't really need that okay we're all right love you

01:00:01.440 i love you too bye bye just so you know malcolm is surrounded by empty cans dirty clothes it's it's

01:00:11.460 like the trash pit in from star wars quite literally that's what i feel like every time

01:00:15.960 i wade into to try to like deliver him that's why a drink or a smoothie and so when malcolm

01:00:22.880 discovered that his mic stand is not compatible with his heavy super expensive mic that y'all

01:00:28.900 made us get thanks hope you like this sound he decided to counterweight it by taping a coke can

01:00:37.520 to his mic stand and that's it's a look it's a very i would say cohesive aesthetic any interior

01:00:45.820 decorator i think would come to appreciate it i hate you so much simone when when malcolm's

01:00:52.420 camera goes to full landscape mode suddenly this short angle of his room disappears and you can

01:00:59.640 see the track probably for like interviews and stuff because it is yes yeah yeah oh god don't

01:01:06.400 no don't do it oh why did you do don't don't go back go back jump scare oh god

01:01:13.440 why did you do that why did i need to see that i'm not like jordan peterson i never told anyone

01:01:20.280 to make their bed okay you're better than possible to make there's no making live live in a pigsty i

01:01:26.360 don't care i like presumably it does make you marginally more efficient for some people but

01:01:31.440 it doesn't for me like i you know and and and people are different right like you know some

01:01:35.820 people are better with order some people are better with chaos yeah this this is the the not

01:01:41.060 malcolm bedroom that it looks weird because tech sleeps on the bed with me and there's pillows

01:01:45.780 there to keep him from falling off because he decides to go on a journey every night he dreams

01:01:51.300 of going to Mordor throwing in the ring but it really involves a lot of kicking and crawling

01:01:56.500 around so I will kick us off oh for dinner tonight I mean we have the nice salami do you want me to

01:02:03.360 do something with that oh I like the nice salami okay so if I was going to do something with nice

01:02:10.020 salami i would eat it on toast would you oh you want nice salami and grilled cheese just

01:02:19.280 i have a great idea garlic bread cheesy garlic bread a few final side notes for art fab if you

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01:02:43.820 image generation page or our not safe for work image search page which conglomerates the searches

01:02:48.720 of all not safe for work search engines the other thing is i have recently added or will be added

01:02:54.900 shortly after this video goes live a model that china put out which is beating the one that

01:03:00.820 anthropic had to take down by order of the u.s government on coding stuff so if you're using our

01:03:05.560 vibe coding system we have a model that is equivalent to anthropic fable which is exciting

01:03:11.880 you guys gonna have a battle you're gonna have the ultimate battle yeah i would take a battle

01:03:17.800 if i put in a different gun a different gun what's wrong with that gun

01:03:22.540 oh no all right should i get the water out you guys ready

01:03:28.760 okay so she's gonna go to his gun wardrobe

01:03:33.660 Yeah, Andy, you want me to open it up for you?

01:03:37.660 Yeah. Okay, I'll get it.

Based Camp - June 29, 2026

Racism Through History (Get A PhD in Racism)

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