Based Camp - June 29, 2026


Racism Through History (Get A PhD in Racism)

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Malcolm Collins Simone Collins
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In this episode, we discuss the history of group-based racial stereotypes, racism, and prejudice in America, and the role of wax figures in representing these stereotypes, and how they have impacted the black community for centuries.

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00:00:00 hello malcolm it's so nice to be speaking with you today because as is tradition on base camp we
00:00:06 will do what we probably should not do and today we're going to go through the history of
00:00:12 basically group-based and racial stereotypes it's going to be great we are going to teach you guys
00:00:17 this is this is what you come to base camp for you want to be educated but not educated in what
00:00:22 the system wants you to know yes you want to be educated in the dark lore we are gentlemen of
00:00:29 culture and by culture we mean you want to know not just what you call a jew today
00:00:36 what did you call a jew 300 years ago these are the important questions
00:00:41 not just what you call a black person today but what were the stereotypes black people had in
00:01:02 ancient europe what about the greeks what about the various european states were some people
00:01:09 primarily known for fetishes they had yes they were we will learn of course welcome to the museum
00:01:16 here we try to educate you on the dynamics of racism and prejudice in america we are now
00:01:22 entering the hall of stereotypes these wax figures represent how some intolerant people have labeled
00:01:28 minorities here we see a black person eating chicken and watermelon a stereotype that hurts
00:01:34 the african-american community what other stereotypes do you see here ah here's the arab 0.98
00:01:39 as a terrorist that's right but of course we know that not all arabs are terrorists don't we kids 0.56
00:01:44 like a covetous jew very good young man the idea that jews are only interested in money is very 0.99
00:01:49 old indeed ah here's a good one it's the stereotypical sleepy mexican what what oh man 0.97
00:01:55 what time is it oh i'm sorry i thought you were a wax sculpture no man i'm the janitor i'm supposed
00:02:00 been cleaning but i'm so tired oh so sleepy so let's go into it yeah and this you know this was
00:02:08 really spurred at least with me by the release of taki this 13m vintage language model which you
00:02:14 can also find on rfab along with other fab we have a section of rfab called historic chat and in it
00:02:19 you have models that were trained in different ways in different periods and now all of them
00:02:23 are working as far as i know um i was just using the talkie version and you asked talkie i loved
00:02:30 you sent me this image and this is actually a different one that i found when people on reddit
00:02:34 were comparing their findings because i actually think that whoever has talkie has has changed it
00:02:40 a little bit maybe nerfed it a little bit no wait what's this other one that you found can you send
00:02:45 it to me so i can add it to rfab no this was talkie but this was talking when it first came out
00:02:51 oh then people got mad after everything yeah after people shared their amazing findings
00:02:56 they changed it because i had difficulty replicating them but here's someone who
00:03:01 posted to talkie what do you think about race mixing in america talkie 1930 responded i think
00:03:09 mixture of races in america must be deprecated the white and black races can never live together
00:03:15 on terms of social and political equality the presence of slaves among freemen is an abomination 1.00
00:03:22 and although emancipation may in time remove that lot from our national 0.94
00:03:27 eschaton the amalgamation of the two classes must continue to be and it's kind of cut off but
00:03:36 regarded as yeah yeah regarded as something something bad like talking is kind of weird
00:03:41 and then it cuts off really early and it still does now but it clearly did for this person too
00:03:46 so yeah we i think we forget how pervasive various forms of racism and just actually i don't like
00:03:54 there really wasn't such a thing as racism it was just kind of like people recognized patterns and
00:04:00 started to turn them into jokes and had stereotypes about people in groups and it wasn't seen as a bad
00:04:05 thing it was and people i think also understood that these were not pervasive truths like well
00:04:13 if a person is x then obviously y it was just understood that there were averages and patterns
00:04:20 but that that became stereotypes and eventually that became defined is that this show averages
00:04:24 and patterns averages and patterns it's it's changing consumer behavior changing yes yes yes
00:04:32 yes but this goes back as long as basically there were different people so we are going to start
00:04:37 malcolm with ancient egypt i'm going to send you some so you wanted to turn our audience from
00:04:43 casual racists into professional race into yes into well scholarly racists into sophisticated
00:04:50 racists who understand the context and the okay that's what you come to base camp from this is
00:04:59 this is why you're here friends but yeah so in ancient egypt and this is really interesting
00:05:03 different groups were absolutely depicted differently in egyptian art with the egyptians
00:05:09 typically depicting themselves as like they're the reddish looking ones this is fascinating
00:05:14 nubians were given a very very dark color yeah this is where when people say that egypt was 0.96
00:05:23 run by black people i'm like you can look at egyptian art egyptians like characterized black
00:05:29 people in a very specific way and there actually was one dynasty that was run by black people it 0.87
00:05:35 was i think like a period of like 150 years 250 years or something like that yeah there's a lot
00:05:39 of history in egypt and the art changed in that period the pharaohs were drawn black right like
00:05:45 it's it's not there's not that much ambiguity there like it's pretty clear when egyptians
00:05:51 are attempting to depict and this is the thing about egyptian art it's so helpful because there
00:05:56 was this one way for hundreds and hundreds of years that everything kind of had to be drawn
00:06:00 like there wasn't much evolution in art so there's not this like oh no this is a stylistic choice no
00:06:05 like egyptians had they didn't have the capacity for that they're like no we're always going to
00:06:10 draw like there is one way of doing the person shall always be sideways we're not doing it it
00:06:15 is they're gonna look in this exact way it was very unusual to see art that differed from that
00:06:19 which is kind of helpful. But yeah, so Asiatics were tan and often bearded, and Libyans were
00:06:25 the palest looking ones and often bearded. For most of the European periods that historians
00:06:32 have looked at, Nubians were really framed or categorized stereotypically as people to be
00:06:39 conquered. I would at least want to be a Nubian in ancient Egypt. We'll put it that way. The texts 0.95
00:06:48 and artistic programs from pharaonic is that is that how we say it pharaoh pharaoh basically egypt
00:06:55 in the time of pharaohs sometimes emphasize nubia as this land to be subdued and exploited that's
00:07:02 kind of i think is as good as you can go and that kind of supported this idea of nubians also being
00:07:07 a little bit barbaric or less civilized they would show up in art often as as servants so
00:07:14 at least for most of Egyptian history, they did not get the greatest position. The Canaanites
00:07:20 and Asiatics were also though seen as rebellious and treacherous. So they're like culturally
00:07:28 suspect. They're linked to rebellion and disorder, but they were also trading partners. So rather
00:07:35 than just like, we're going to conquer you and take you over, it was well, like, well, we like
00:07:41 they're textiles so i guess they're okay kind of but like don't trust them that never trust you
00:07:47 know whoever you're buying your carpet from i don't know wait did they did they have specific
00:07:51 people who they were like don't trust them there were no there were no like specific figures but 0.96
00:07:55 i mean yeah you wouldn't trust a can what were the egyptian stereotypes about the nubians did 0.63
00:08:00 you look that up or should i pull that up right now there were i mean like this is also old that
00:08:05 a lot of this is conjecture that people are just trying to extrapolate from images so it's more
00:08:10 just you understand where they are in the social order based on a lot of art like the people who
00:08:15 are lower on the social order are depicted as smaller the pharaohs and the egyptians are
00:08:19 depicted as larger that's that's part of what people are looking at but yeah there was there
00:08:25 wasn't like a oh you know nubians they're like this i didn't pick up on anything from that 0.99
00:08:31 it's more just general like well these ones are reliable vassals and these ones we conquer them 1.00
00:08:38 that's what we do like we like to make art of us trouncing them which is kind of a occurring theme
00:08:43 of like there's us and there's others and that's going to show up a ton and i think it really helps
00:08:47 me contextualize the way that biases work today even within the most like anti-racist groups
00:08:56 there's us and there's others you know there's there's the the progressive enlightened woke
00:09:01 person and then there's nazis like it's one or the other what do you choose yours you know like
00:09:05 nazi is a new word for barbarian and looking at all this history has really helped me think of 0.65
00:09:09 that or contextualize that libyans i think were really interesting they were also barbarians to
00:09:14 the egyptians because they weren't egyptians but they turned into useful soldiers and then even
00:09:19 rulers for a short period like you were saying with nubians oh yeah with nubians they did have
00:09:23 stereotypes they were stereotyped as archers first of all and and mercenaries but that's because they
00:09:29 were archers and mercenaries right yeah that's not a stereotype that's just like a but there's
00:09:35 also the stereotype of the the wretched cush which you talked about of being a defeated enemy right
00:09:40 so they had a lot of nubian slaves bound captives kneeling prisoners being people being trampled
00:09:46 upon or slaughtered by the pharaoh yeah that's what you see again like smaller being defeated
00:09:51 in battle kind of like this is a loser i think the libyans in all the groups as perceived by
00:09:57 ancient Egyptians are the most interesting because they were like a frenemy kind of they weren't
00:10:03 totally bad they they were sometimes trading partners sometimes they were enemies they were
00:10:10 first mentioned in the new kingdom so going way back and they also look super interesting like 1.00
00:10:16 they have the most style and I wonder if that's kind of why the Egyptians were like frenemies
00:10:21 with them because they also had clearly a very distinct culture in images of Nubians they have 0.96
00:10:27 like this really distinct haircut where it's just short at the nape of the neck they have a side
00:10:31 lock of hair that they wear so they have like their hairstyles and they also have tattoos which
00:10:37 is such a like so they have this very distinct style they have fashion and then eventually so 0.99
00:10:43 many libyans migrated into egypt that they completely changed the political landscape of 0.99
00:10:49 the nile valley so maybe the libyans were some of the first ever like you know yeah this is like
00:10:57 oh the libyans like you know libyans yeah which i mean it's some things just never change right
00:11:04 like stereotyped as dangerous and warlike barbarians but also sometimes useful soldiers
00:11:10 which is kind of a complex cousin frenemy kind of culture so yeah anyway i i kind of didn't know
00:11:16 anything about libyans i listened to that really long great courses lecture series about ancient
00:11:21 egypt and i don't remember anything about libyans so i'm like let's come on it was always just
00:11:26 about like egypt really liking to trounce outsiders so i don't know okay okay do we have any graffiti
00:11:33 or anything from this period of making five people no all the graffiti that you'll typically find is
00:11:38 like roman or napoleonic scratchings on hieroglyphs or modern tourists defacing them let's
00:11:45 get to that let's keep moving then yeah ancient greece that they're very common of like you're
00:11:50 either someone who is hellenistic you spoke greek or you're barbarian and obviously the greeks well
00:11:56 i mean i remember they had a lot of stereotypes about the mass oh yeah persians persians they
00:12:01 were like look at these feet pretty boys like you can see this this part of darius here looking very
00:12:09 fancy he wasn't even always the persian rulers were not even always necessarily depicted
00:12:15 negatively but they were always depicted as very fancy and i can't remember what that movie was
00:12:20 where is that movie what was that movie we watched where like the persian ruler i think it was darius
00:12:25 in it well the idea of shaming idolatry or the accumulation of ostentatious wealth which is what
00:12:33 we think the idolatry bands are really about is like back to the beginning of western history
00:12:39 like the green spartans they laughed at the people who did this but on the opposite side of this you
00:12:45 have the the mastodonians who had a lot of stereotypes associated oh yeah no macedonians
00:12:50 were seen as like these heavy drinkers rackus partiers like sloppy drunks who didn't even mix 0.90
00:12:58 their wine what monster they were basically seen by the greeks the way most other cultures in
00:13:05 american history saw the greater appalachian region people they were they were the drunk
00:13:09 cousin of greece like they're the one you don't want showing up at the party who who drinks way
00:13:15 too much and then like but ultimately they were the much more effective population i know i know
00:13:21 i mean you have yeah you have alexander the great they come to the olympic games and it's like yeah
00:13:26 sure you're allowed but like it's the hillbillies coming to the olympic yeah it's like their hold
00:13:31 my beer moment and they go and conquer it's amazing for people who are familiar the macedonians
00:13:36 are the ones that philip of macedon alexander the great came from ended up conquering all of greece
00:13:40 than most of the known world at the time yeah and then you know cleopatra resulting from this like
00:13:46 the lasting influence there was few um and i i love it yeah back to persians though basically
00:13:53 and this is funny too you know we've done that episode where you're like well i don't know if
00:13:57 people in the middle east can handle democracy just like culturally like they can't this is
00:14:02 exactly what greeks thought about persians they were like well these decadent soft people 0.91
00:14:06 are naturally suited to monarchy they can't handle free citizenship they can't handle 0.92
00:14:10 i said that about arabs not about not about persians okay well right i'm saying the greek
00:14:19 said it about persians it's just that you know you're not the first person to say that a people
00:14:23 cannot handle you know free citizenship and voting some people for the people who think
00:14:29 that i'm being offensive there go to our episode on it the statistics you make a compelling
00:14:33 argument on how many times it has been the we have achieved stable democracies in the arab world
00:14:38 is astonishing low when contrasted with northern europe yeah of course athens was just sort of
00:14:45 considered the cultural capital of the world but i my understanding from the various accounts and
00:14:51 readings and stuff is that they everyone saw them as like that stuck up girl who thinks so much of
00:14:57 herself and yes she gets all a's and she's valedictorian and she's the richest girl in
00:15:00 class and she's super popular but everyone's like oh like stop you're this is tedious and everyone
00:15:06 saw spartans i mean rightfully so because here you have spartans sparta is really different they they 0.99
00:15:12 do not allow foreigners they're very afraid that outsiders are going to spy on them they have their
00:15:18 harsh militarized way of life you know both girls and young boys are training heavily the girls are 0.99
00:15:23 very athletic in contrast to the classic athenian woman who like the perfect athenian woman you'd 0.63
00:15:29 never see she would stay in the back house until she married and then go to someone else's like
00:15:33 back of their house and you just they were very absent from public life not very not very vocal
00:15:38 and then you know you have spartans who are property owners who are strong and athletic
00:15:45 and out there and here actually you can see because you just don't see statues of or depictions of
00:15:51 athenian women like this this is a statue of a spartan running girl like just a female athlete
00:15:58 you would see this in a museum and you would immediately know if this was from ancient greek 0.96
00:16:02 she must be spartan because like you don't you don't have like girls athletically running this
00:16:07 is not a it's not a thing that people do so i i need to see where this was founded but professor
00:16:14 rufus fears speaking for the great courses was like everyone because in in athens you would get
00:16:20 a wet nurse or something everyone wanted a spartan wet nurse because they were the toughest
00:16:24 and they wanted their babies to be drinking the milk of these strong women if they're like 0.99
00:16:28 especially male babies right you don't want that weak athenian you don't want that weak yeah no 0.75
00:16:33 this is this comes to an episode where we point out that cultures that are often more militaristic 0.85
00:16:41 typically the more martial a culture is the more gender equal it is between men and women
00:16:46 and we go into why in that episode but you're seeing this here with spartan women versus
00:16:50 athenian women yeah so the ionian greeks do can you imagine what they people thought of them
00:16:55 they're boring the coastal cities under persian rule what would they obviously thought they were
00:16:59 they're they're weak they're softened their mild climate has made them indolent that they're good 0.92
00:17:08 talkers but they're terrible warriors and then the boetians were just seen as hicks like those
00:17:12 just who are the boetians especially thebans like you're more aware of the band of thebes 0.83
00:17:17 they were seen as hicks they were the ones well they were brutish country hicks they were 0.99
00:17:21 agricultural they were uncultured they were uncosmopolitan keep in mind most of the people
00:17:26 like writing history are the athenians with all their books and all their there were a lot of 0.96
00:17:32 greeks who wrote history like herodotus was an ionian as far as i remember right i don't know
00:17:38 that sounds just like you know how new zealanders like you just see them outside of new zealand all
00:17:41 the time because they have to travel the world maybe that kind of fits with the whole you know
00:17:46 had to leave thing but i don't know yeah well so he wrote an ionic dialect and was deeply
00:17:52 influenced by ionic philosophical and historical traditions but he was technically in a region
00:17:57 settled by the dorian reeds but i don't know if they would have seen a different but yeah continue
00:18:03 okay we're gonna move on to ancient rome because this is where i actually was able to get some
00:18:08 good graffiti at least one instance that i i really loved in terms of like a stereotype because
00:18:12 it's not just finding old graffiti which is really hard to find okay but it's finding old
00:18:17 graffiti that depicts racial stereotypes and romans did a lot of graffiti they did a lot of
00:18:21 trash talk if you go for example to the the roman baths in bath in england in somerset you can see
00:18:27 some of the inscriptions on little pieces of i think what is it copper that people wrote on and
00:18:35 then dropped into a like sacred pool at a temple for a goddess year like so they would like write
00:18:41 on a thing throw it in the water for the god to hear and the things people wrote once they
00:18:46 carefully unfolded and read these inscriptions were so freaking petty they're like make so and 0.51
00:18:52 so blind for stealing my bag and like you know it was just people freaking hated each other
00:18:57 that we've been petty forever but that's not about a racial stereotype or it's not about a group-based
00:19:02 stereotype but here's is something delightful and i just love you know graffiti because it also looks
00:19:07 like such terrible drawings but tell me what you see malcolm okay okay okay
00:19:12 oh let's see i'll open it up here yeah what are you looking at here oh i know this one i've seen
00:19:19 this one before this um so so i don't even have to interpret it because i know this particular
00:19:25 art because it's famous yeah yeah but this is supposed to be somebody being crucified with a
00:19:30 donkey head and then somebody else is worshiping the person being crucified with a donkey head
00:19:36 And the writing says, go worship your donkey, God, because that is what Romans thought of 0.97
00:19:43 both Jews and Christians. 0.99
00:19:45 This is more Christians in this case. 1.00
00:19:46 Why the donkey? 1.00
00:19:47 Why the, do we know?
00:19:49 You know, it wasn't very clear, but it was just a well-known slur at the time that both
00:19:54 Jews and Christians worshipped a donkey.
00:19:56 This was an accusation that had a name. 0.78
00:19:58 It was called an idolatry, and they used the donkey head to mock Christ. 0.97
00:20:03 and this is specifically like it's an insult again because romans are like so freaking petty 0.56
00:20:09 and they're very targeted but it's it's an insult toward alexa menos but yeah it's like go worship 0.98
00:20:14 your donkey god alexa go worship your donkey god you nerd and then the guy in the picture looks 0.81
00:20:20 like a real guy like he would have been a person it's it's wonderful it's just trying to go about 0.99
00:20:26 his normal life yeah just trying to worship his donkey god i mean okay let me let me actually
00:20:31 double click on a knowledge tree because yeah where did they get donkey maybe because jesus 0.95
00:20:36 wrote into but then why would the jews worship a donkey worship of donkey and by extension 0.52
00:20:42 figurative devotion to fullness foolishness the core meaning in its literal sense means worship 0.99
00:20:47 of the ass or donkey as a deity yeah buddy in antiquity pagan authors in the hellenistic and 0.97
00:20:56 roman worlds accused jews and later early christians of idolatry claiming they worshipped 0.98
00:21:02 a donkey or donkey-headed idol the writers such as tacitus mentioned this slur and christian
00:21:09 apologists like tertullian and monicius felix referred to it in order to refute it why why
00:21:18 did they think Jews worshipped a donkey? Maybe it was, you know, one of those things that just like
00:21:32 if donkeys were fools, they're not really saying that Jews worshipped a donkey, but donkeys were 1.00
00:21:38 just a representation of like, this is a ridiculous religion. No text. Ancient Greek and Roman authors 1.00
00:21:47 did not seriously observe jews worshipping a donkey they developed that idea as a hostile
00:21:53 slur that blended ethnographic fantasy wordplay and polemic about anaconic worship anaconic
00:22:01 anaconic okay that's a new word anaconic ladies and gentlemen so yeah no it's just it's like an
00:22:11 intentional slur that has no basis in reality but they're like what are you doing
00:22:16 okay fine he's just just here for the ride oh not if you do that though let's get back to
00:22:28 what romans thought of people jews were seen as basically stubborn clicky weirdos they were
00:22:34 portrayed as very like hard-headed subjects with this herd mentality who are fiercely attached to
00:22:41 their weird unique customs such as circumcision and and deity laws and not not killing babies
00:22:48 yeah tacticist complained about that yeah like what who who are these crazy people who don't 0.57
00:22:54 even kill their weak babies and then all outsiders of course were barbarians greeks were admirable 0.70
00:23:00 but contemptible like they were like you know of course the source of philosophy and art they were 0.97
00:23:06 literature yeah yeah oh my god that is totally yeah they were nerds they were seen as as talkative
00:23:11 and tricky and morally weak and effeminate and prone to luxury and unreliable in war like brainy 0.51
00:23:17 but soft they were they were nerds oh greeks the og nerds i love that don't trust them 0.94
00:23:24 i wouldn't trust a greek not back then i'll tell you what for sure not yeah oh my god so was 0.99
00:23:30 no like nero then must have been kind of weeb like right because he's like i just love the 0.99
00:23:35 greek so much and i want to be an actor was that just a good way to think of the way the romans
00:23:41 viewed the greeks is the way americans view europeans oh my gosh okay yes like cultured
00:23:48 but like effeminate and weak right like they are not like yeah really set to run an empire come on 0.98
00:23:55 man america needs to come back on and crack some heads because they're being ruled by their women 0.96
00:24:01 again oh gosh that is that is such a thing yeah let's see just generally like syrians and 0.73
00:24:08 carthaginians and phoenicians were seen as sleazy merchants but i think like honestly and this is
00:24:13 showing up as a pattern anyone who kind of traded with your empire who's like an outside trading
00:24:18 partner was like oh suspicious i don't know but this makes sense because the dynamic is this is
00:24:23 a trading partner like they obviously want to get the better end of a deal you're negotiating so
00:24:27 you're going to have some level of distrust so i'm seeing like this pattern right there's the
00:24:32 libyans and then there's the phoenicians and oh egyptians though were seen as very ancient and
00:24:40 sinister with their weird superstition and their arrogant priests and their they they really
00:24:47 didn't also rome kind of resented them and i think that is similar to how china can resent the u.s 0.57
00:24:54 and other countries because Egypt was kind of the breadbasket for Rome they were really
00:24:59 especially especially during certain times dependent on them for food so it was like well
00:25:04 they need Egyptian grain but they're also these like weird mysterious superstitious people and
00:25:12 they were kind of like fascinated and disturbed by them it was as if like you need all of your
00:25:17 food from or like a lot of your food from some like oh like your kid in the cafeteria and your
00:25:24 parents always neglect to pack your lunch but like this creepy goth girl in the corner
00:25:28 like wiccan is like yes come and i will read your tarot it's like well i need the food and she's 0.77
00:25:35 kind of hot but she really creeps me out so i don't want this and i think cleopatra i i read
00:25:42 i've read multiple biographies about her really played up this stereotype and used it well because
00:25:48 she was the goth girl of her era she was the hot goth of her era 100 very dramatic yourself with
00:25:56 like a snake or whatever right like 100 i mean she was totally the hot goth of her time and 0.98
00:26:02 very like that girl too in high school who like sleeps with all the guys because she like 1.00
00:26:06 understands how to play their tune and use them to her advantage and do the mysterious gothy 0.70
00:26:12 yeah for real shoes yeah so spooky that was egyptians they were spooky 0.93
00:26:19 and then in general like persians and parthians were viewed as as pretty formidable enemies
00:26:26 and kind of that i think similarly to how egyptians viewed libyans it's like oh well
00:26:33 you are a formidable enemy like i worry about you i think similarly to how greeks viewed persians
00:26:39 of like ah i mean you're a feat and pretty and you know your people are soft but yeah i gotta
00:26:45 watch out for you the gauls were seen as these noble savages so while they were seen as like
00:26:50 hot-headed and brave noble savages they were also seen as like sort of impetus and simple and prone
00:26:56 to rashness kind of like big meatheads i guess the meatheads of the north they were the the jock on
00:27:02 the the high school team they were just kind of follow orders i guess from some leader from i'm
00:27:07 trying to get more roman jewish stereotypes than you had because i don't i don't like i don't think
00:27:11 you you you had enough there of my roman jews and then the but the germans were seen as even more
00:27:17 savage versions of the gauls and i know that like germany wasn't a thing yet but like people from 0.89
00:27:21 that region that is now germany they were like the extra extra gauls they were super gauls they
00:27:28 were even more savage even more unconquered they were like they came from the trees from the dirt 0.98
00:27:33 they were like dirt people and they wait who were who were the super gold the germans 0.94
00:27:39 well i mean like they were from the yeah and like they they were they totally were they were both 0.78
00:27:45 like romanticized by the romans who were like ah these noble savages i think they were kind of the
00:27:50 og noble savage okay i pulled up their their jewish stereotypes oh no okay go on swannish 0.69
00:27:56 anti-social and misanthropic specifically jews were accused of refusing to mix with others 0.93
00:28:02 sitting apart at meals sleeping separately and showing loyalty only to fellow jews tacticus
00:28:07 the harshest didn't i say that cookie wrote that uh and tacticus by the way was the the biggest 0.59
00:28:13 source he was the one who complained that they wouldn't kill their babies that they sit apart
00:28:17 at meals and they sleep apart and they were prone to lust they abstained from for oh he says while
00:28:23 they're prone to lust they abstain from foreign women i love that's one of the problems they're
00:28:27 prone to lust but only they're not taking our women like what really compassion only to each 0.88
00:28:34 other and were hostile to all others cithra complained that the jews stick together and 0.95
00:28:38 had undue influence in roman assemblies that's hilarious okay so the jews control all of rome 0.69
00:28:45 they're all in our assemblies guys they they did not like the pork taboo was frequently ridiculed 0.98
00:28:51 circumcision was ridiculed sabbath's observance ridiculed and the anachronism that you talked
00:28:56 about yeah yeah and they really hated and see our episode if you're not familiar with this but the 0.91
00:29:02 most common complaint about jews is that they were always attempting to convert romans which
00:29:06 obviously has changed in judaism and see our episode the question that breaks judaism where
00:29:11 we go over the history of this change in judaism yeah it's a there's a abundant coverage of this
00:29:18 but let's move on to medieval europe basically there were these and and this is interesting
00:29:23 the barbarians changed a little and it was kind of like they're barely christian the primary
00:29:29 concern with barbarians like the irish the welsh the slavs baltic people it was like are they even 0.91
00:29:35 christian like what what are these monsters but that's kind of like the measuring stick is how 0.96
00:29:40 christian are these good christians but anglo normal norman writers in england and also people
00:29:45 living in what's now Germany would just routinely depict nearby frontier peoples which you know
00:29:52 were Scottish Irish Slavs more far northern people is just basically violent pastoralists 0.89
00:30:00 pirates plunderers they were resistant to law and agriculture like do you even farm bro and needing 0.96
00:30:07 to be conquested sorry conquered and they needed it wasn't just conquest it was also missionary
00:30:13 work like we gotta send we gotta these guys need jesus like they were they were really worried
00:30:18 about them they were they needed to to be civilized you needed to climb the well i i'm
00:30:24 giving you stuff but you're just throwing it climb the rungs of civilization and and and be
00:30:29 shown a better way i haven't heard back love but yeah this so this this they need to be civilized
00:30:37 stereotype was also used to excuse or justify expansion into these territories which i think
00:30:45 is like a fairly to be expected pattern right like of course they would that that makes sense
00:30:51 we you can kind of see here's an image like there again there's not much like imagery but here's
00:30:58 some engravings by albrecht dur during the 1500s of pastoral people you have to see just other roman
00:31:07 graffiti that i found that wasn't racist but could be racist because look at nose man looks
00:31:11 just so weirdly modern and i i freaking love it and that's very hilarious yeah someone didn't like
00:31:22 him or his floppy nose here are the pastoralists so i don't know they just look kind of like
00:31:27 they're they're dancing once playing a bagpipe they're just kind of like uh like i don't know
00:31:33 lazy vagabonds like lazy yeah lazy vagabonds i guess is kind of the look they're going for 0.86
00:31:39 so that's the closest i could get to like a a picture of them but the scots especially were 0.89
00:31:45 just seen not only as you know among these things of like more in need of civilization and everything
00:31:51 but like southern scotland was seen as like kind of cool like kind of chill they're all right and
00:31:55 like northern scotland was like no they're they're the worst they're poor and terrifying but broadly
00:32:00 speaking they were seen as militarily dangerous but just poor and less civilized and they just
00:32:07 had these small poor towns and these people in there in the swaddling swaddling what do you
00:32:15 what do you call them kilts not kilts what are like the actual garments that people used to wear
00:32:20 in scotland that you wrap around they're very long you know what i'm talking about
00:32:24 she's talking about a great kilt i forget the name i know what you're talking about yeah
00:32:30 i was thinking of trump's phrase swaddling hijab which i just thought was the best phrase ever but
00:32:36 yeah they were very like persistent enemies and there there was a lot of understanding of them
00:32:41 being stubborn and warlike the jews here's where like the stuff the anti-semitic stuff gets i guess 0.97
00:32:47 good and what where you were expecting something what i did not expect to see was a very big 0.92
00:32:52 recurring theme with the jews do you know what it is have you seen like older anti-semitic art like 0.98
00:32:57 1300s to 1700s if they're stupid hats no no it involves a farm animal i don't know what it is 0.99
00:33:08 no so for whatever reason pig suckling is just all over the place the suckling that there's 0.99
00:33:15 lots of like here here's an example so they think they use drink milk directly from pigs that was
00:33:20 the stereotype yeah no check check this out so this is a church in wittenberg this is actually
00:33:25 church where Martin Luther preached once. And there was a fairly recent controversy where people
00:33:30 were like, dude, this, this carving in this, this 1300s carving in this church is like super
00:33:36 antisemitic. It shows a bunch of Jews suckling from a pig. What do you think it is? It's why 0.98
00:33:42 people like raise people. Oh, like I'm raising you. Yeah. So racism is just another word for
00:33:49 pronatalism crazy because we're racing we're raising him we're raising we believe in racism 0.98
00:33:57 yeah i like that where was i right suckling pigs right so the the this this this church in 0.98
00:34:05 by the way wasn't taken down anti-semitism is alive and well what a horrible thing they took
00:34:11 down something for the 1300 it would be it would be like it's it's helpful to understand the history 0.79
00:34:17 of bias so and we don't know that jews at that time period didn't suckle for pigs right i mean
00:34:23 so here's another one i this this is really pretty explicit it's kind of hard to make out 0.58
00:34:30 what's happening in this anti-semitic engraving from the this is also the 1300s and i couldn't
00:34:37 get a great translation but it's there's someone eating something out of the butt of what i believe 0.98
00:34:44 is also a pig another person is suckling from its very full teat people have got horns because you 0.71
00:34:52 get the jew horns the two horns of course appear that only makes sense yeah i mean duh and there 0.99
00:34:57 there's what appears to be possibly a dead baby at the top so maybe here's where we get the you
00:35:04 know blood and the babies i don't know it's kind of hard to tell i don't speak yeah i mean this 0.95
00:35:11 this puts modern anti-semitism to shame you know here's another image of more jews suckling from a 0.95
00:35:18 pig what like this i just blindsided me like why why are we why and they're dressed like the 0.98
00:35:28 freaking babies from that one skit like ozymandias or whatever the which is also hilarious and one 0.99
00:35:34 of them is i guess looking at the poo and the other ones are suckling from its teat and another 0.96
00:35:40 one is looking at the baby's butt and they're in like baby outfits what is the meaning of life 0.95
00:35:47 well then what's your answer i'll never be able to say something as profound as my brother my
00:35:53 desire for my words to have sterile clinical literal meanings is sort of a wall that prevents
00:36:00 me from venturing close to people sometimes i think the most direct route to another's heart
00:36:05 is through nonsense and nonsense has always eluded me well to you then what is the direct
00:36:10 literal meaning of life i hope before i am dead and my atoms are collected back into the neutron
00:36:18 star at the center of the baby dimension that i will discover why the love that i have for my
00:36:25 brother was not enough for him to feel whole when that love is all that sustains me and all that i
00:36:34 think I will ever have. I think what he meant to say was we like to have fun and get tickled.
00:36:41 Okay. Right? Fun and tickles! Fun and tickles! Yeah and this I think I did not encounter any level
00:36:49 of we'll say hatred or racism or othering against any group at all that I did with Jews during
00:36:59 medieval to renaissance europe that's fascinating that like jews really like the the west learned 0.80
00:37:05 how to racism with jews no like for real this was when like they went hard on them because again i 0.95
00:37:12 had difficulty finding a whole lot of hate on other groups it's like oh you know those bumpkins 0.94
00:37:17 no what i also find funny about because it's just how extreme it is compared to modern let me be 0.99
00:37:24 clear it's not just this weird pig suckling thing it is that they they basically thought they were
00:37:29 like not human like they had all these things that they thought they were like they had weird
00:37:34 bodily traits that other humans didn't have like that they were hemorrhoidal and had monthly
00:37:40 bleeding that wasn't just for women they they were very seen as as melancholic and greedy and
00:37:48 spiritually obstinate and this this was like a hereditary genetic like they they were very much
00:37:56 seen as subhuman like as as as monsters and then this this fell into more broad notions that jews 0.81
00:38:03 were these fixed outsiders that you you could not integrate them into a christian new israel
00:38:10 and they were associated very much with usury and corruption and actually not aldosexley was just 0.67
00:38:16 reminding me the other day in our xdms that it's really really weird this idea among evangelical
00:38:23 americans that like well we want jews in israel because you know we need that for the second
00:38:27 coming this whole idea like in in europe he he reminded me us that like in europe but no just
00:38:35 the idea is that christians are the descendants of jews and only like you need christians in israel
00:38:40 you don't need jews in israel yeah the the crusades were not about re-winning israel for
00:38:46 the jews yeah exactly so that is something that's a different interpretation and i think it is a
00:38:52 if i'm going to be honest i think the evangelical interpretation of those particular passages
00:38:57 seems to be more literalist and as intended than the interpretation that the catholic church took
00:39:05 in the medieval period the catholic church took a bunch of crazy positions in the medieval period
00:39:10 that are just not heavily supported by the bible and a lot of christians forget just how much of
00:39:16 that is like i always point out like the trinity for example is just not that well supported by
00:39:23 the bible as a concept it's not the bible isn't specifically antagonistic to the trinity it
00:39:28 doesn't argue against it but like it came out as a concept like 300 years later and so when people
00:39:33 were like oh you guys don't believe in the trinity you're not real christians i'm like
00:39:35 excuse me that was not a thing for most of not my canon yeah exactly yeah it's like that that is
00:39:44 that is a well i think a lot of christians forget the stuff that came in in the early councils and
00:39:49 the stuff that's actually in the bible and they conflate the two really heavily totally i just
00:39:53 sent you some more i sent you one more jew one um again of juice again they're stuck they can't get 0.97
00:39:58 off this pig and one of them it looks like he wants to lick the pig the pigs hole on the wrong 0.99
00:40:05 side three are suckling from the teat the other one is chewing on its tail and riding it backwards 0.95
00:40:11 oh thank god they're just like they i've never seen racist art this explicit so as a palate
00:40:17 cleanser i'm gonna i also sent you my faith my favorite ones this bird i guess the chicken okay
00:40:25 there's the guy i really like the guy i think i think i think octavian would have drawn this
00:40:29 chicken just it looks like something that octavian would have drawn i think my favorites just like
00:40:34 the little dude not the one with the hat but just like the dude with the sword looks like a certain 0.54
00:40:40 internet style you know what i mean it's kind of a kind of invader zim it's kind of giving invader
00:40:45 zim and i definitely have the style of modern internet art actually yeah i'm like oh my gosh
00:40:49 like nothing is new nothing is new i love actually the guy was a hat also has a style of like some
00:40:55 modern cartoons totally like what were these just over educated medieval art scholars who had to
00:41:02 like get a commercial job and ended up illustrating for cartoons what is going on but also i guess
00:41:06 humans just draw certain ways so who cares i i don't know but i found that very entertaining
00:41:12 moving on to renaissance europe this is what you alluded to earlier the vice concept emerged we have
00:41:19 the french vice the english vice and the italian vice which is delightful i think most people came
00:41:27 to learn about the French vice in various movies and shows about the court of King Henry VIII
00:41:34 and the Boylan sisters. And that is because they spent some of their youth in the French
00:41:40 royal court, which was the source of this reputation of the French vice. It was seen as this
00:41:47 very sexually loose place where you'd learn all sorts of tricks that the very prudish English
00:41:55 women didn't know i will leave this to your imagination but imagine and of course this is
00:42:01 what people were saying we don't know what actually happened in the bedroom but imagine
00:42:04 king henry the eight's delight when he discovers these young women from the french court who can
00:42:10 do things to him that he couldn't even imagine after spending all this time with his catholic
00:42:15 wife isabel right her name was isabel so yeah this was like it was very much a reputation
00:42:20 i think this is really downstream of the fact that the court the french court in general involved a
00:42:27 lot of mistresses so there was this depiction of like well there's just where there's mistresses
00:42:32 there's got to be a lot of sex and where there's a lot of sex you've got to have a lot of like
00:42:35 weird stuff going on and even to this day you have french kissing you know and there's still
00:42:40 reference kissing yes come on like but think it's like some english person who's never used tongue
00:42:46 who's like well this must be the french style you know like this thing holds it holds really well
00:42:52 which is absolutely delightful and then the important thing about these vice reputations
00:42:57 the the english vice the italian vice etc is it once the seeds were planted in renaissance europe
00:43:03 in the early modern era they just started to compound and grow on each other so after this 1.00
00:43:10 became kind of a thing because of some you know like french court women kind of being seen as
00:43:15 sexually manipulative because there are all these mistresses floating around you started to get
00:43:20 french literature really leaning into it and there was this rise of this international publishing 0.63
00:43:25 industry so you also have the printing press making this worse but around the mid 1600s
00:43:30 all these erotic and semi-pornographic french books started entering the germanic region they
00:43:38 started entering the uk all these all these basically french romantic and erotic smut
00:43:44 started entering the rest of europe and printing presses made it super pervasive so imagine like
00:43:49 suddenly books exist and and all the romance novels that are really smutty come from france
00:43:55 you're gonna start to like build on this reputation and when i was younger i remember 0.99
00:44:02 the french women were known for being like slutty and not shaving their armpits 1.00
00:44:06 you know some people find that hot i don't but so it's got someone's i've heard yeah some people 1.00
00:44:12 find bush hot too i i don't understand but anyway these these dirty books were basically like
00:44:18 french and i think french people leaned into the stereotype because they kind of liked being a
00:44:24 little sexy and so that's that's it and a very similar thing i so i didn't know about i didn't
00:44:29 know about the french literature compounding the issue and the printing press really fomenting it
00:44:34 i also didn't know why the italian vice became such a big thing so from the later middle ages
00:44:42 onward outsiders started to associate certain italian cities not all but especially florence
00:44:49 as having widespread male same-sex love and social networks that made these relationships super
00:44:56 visible and pretty common so basically there it was like the first gay scene was in florence
00:45:02 i wonder if having italy be disproportionately gay during the period of the development of many
00:45:11 key catholic institutions and doctrines is what played such a large part in such a large portion
00:45:17 of the catholic priesthood being same-sex attracted and the sort of large gay networks that many
00:45:24 people have called out milo yiannopoulos for example wrote a book on the lavender mafia as
00:45:29 he called it and we recently did an episode on the quote-unquote gay jewish priest who ended up
00:45:34 writing core catholic doctrine but these individuals ability to so thoroughly gain
00:45:39 control of the church and its doctrine and teachings maybe they gay people chime in in
00:45:45 the comments if there's some other first gay scene but like it seems like that really well i mean
00:45:50 obviously there's there's like pre-modern gay scenes like thebes and stuff like that but yeah
00:45:54 sure well yeah well allegedly we don't know for sure but there's evidence pretty sure about the
00:45:59 troops the band of thebes is there really because i remember like getting so excited about it and
00:46:04 being like this is my yaoi romance let's go i need to learn more and they were like well it wasn't
00:46:11 we're not sure we're not sure what happened during what it was but there was a period where it
00:46:18 happened yeah yeah so i decided to go over all of the primary evidence we have for this and it's
00:46:24 just demonstrable one that the sacred bands of thebes existed we know this because they helped
00:46:30 the line against the Spartan king, Aegeus II in 378. They, at the Battle of Tiarga in 375 BC,
00:46:40 under Paliapus, the 300 routed a much larger Spartan force. For the first time, Spartans 0.91
00:46:45 were defeated by a much smaller force, first of all. They were instrumental in the stunning
00:46:53 Theban victory over Spartans at Lucretia 371, which ended Spartans' dominance over Greece,
00:46:59 and the units fought others campaign until it was ultimately annihilated at the battle of
00:47:03 carenion in 338 bc by the army of philip ii of mastodon so for a long period we have evidence
00:47:13 of them existing in terms of them being an armory of gay lovers this was attested by plutarch
00:47:21 dionysius plato xenophon and other attestations appear including pelinus athenius diodotus
00:47:30 sickus and several others so there's at least six ancient writers that describe the erotic pairing
00:47:36 so and we have our archaeological evidence there is the lion of charon a monetary funeral lion
00:47:44 And in 1879 to 1880, Greek archaeologist Pantagus Stamicus excavated a site and found
00:47:51 254 skeletons arranged in rows, seven rows, with some pairs having arms length and hands
00:47:56 class consistent with the, what we're aware of is this.
00:48:01 So yeah, this is almost certainly not a legend and was a real force in which it was made
00:48:06 up of gay men and was able to dramatically outperform forces that were thought of as
00:48:11 Like the Spartans famous thing, if 300 men beat like 3,000 Persians, and then apparently they were beat by a fraction of their own number of the band of thieves, who then were themselves beat by the hillbilly Macedonians, showing that hillbilly style always beats all other styles.
00:48:29 Also, fun fact of my genetic chart, the place where my ancestry, if you go to the pre-English part of my ancestry, it traces back from Macedon.
00:48:38 anyway oh well yeah and i guess gay romance was kind of a thing throughout ancient greece and
00:48:43 rome never mind totally i went oh god and like never mind yeah pervasive never mind totally 0.94
00:48:48 wrong it's the world has been gay for all of history oh no see our episodes do gays destroy 0.77
00:48:53 civilization where we go over this like where do we actually see gays in history when do we see 0.90
00:48:57 gays in history and does it precede civilizational collapse yeah basically we find it doesn't appear
00:49:02 too yeah but there is evidence from because this is the point at which it's illegal court records
00:49:10 witness testimonies moralizing tracts that that indicate the presence of active male queer
00:49:17 communities in cities like florence and this helped cement the idea that this was a more tolerant area 0.76
00:49:25 i mean it's kind of ironic right because they're like no don't do it stop but but you know they
00:49:30 they kept doing it and then by the 17th century because phrases like the italian vice became
00:49:35 kind of like a shorthand for gay advice sleeping around with the french vice and bdsm was the
00:49:42 english vice yeah yeah i'm gonna get to the uk next but yeah because the italian vice was shorthand 0.82
00:49:48 for gay stuff then people would start to go to italy for their gay rum springa tourists would
00:49:56 even in the early 1800s sort of revive and spread this stereotype because they were both fascinated
00:50:06 and scandalized by this reputation and they they wanted to check it out and maybe be like oh oh
00:50:12 the gay early proto-gay bars and stuff it kind of was yeah it's like the cape cod fire island 0.96
00:50:18 province town of europe you know being born in fire island the gay kinky boot of europe yes 0.72
00:50:25 it's it's beautiful it's beautiful so yeah i i didn't know that that it was like a sort of a 0.95
00:50:30 self-fulfilling prophecy thing although of course the the court records show that it was
00:50:34 a thing they were trying to stop now the english vice is super interesting because first england
00:50:39 was super known for being very puritanical and sex negative and not not very interesting when
00:50:47 it came to sexual relations okay okay but then i think part partly because it was so dour and 0.97
00:50:54 puritan and sexually repressed and a bunch of sanctimonious proto karens freaked out when
00:51:00 people did do slightly kinky things that it then developed this reputation for flagellation which
00:51:08 then evolved into our understanding of like bdsm because there were commentators like trying to
00:51:16 say don't do this and people like criminalizing what do we what do we not do what we're where
00:51:22 where where is the video i'm not supposed to look at what video that's a joke when you're
00:51:29 describing a video or something like that it's like oh oh yeah where's the i definitely won't
00:51:35 look at that video can you just give me the url for it you know the joke come on
00:51:39 oh no i don't maybe it's a not girl thing but anyway my bros would get it you're just too
00:51:50 i am i am an old i'm a i have the soul of a 62 year old woman who's probably not that online but
00:51:57 anyway basically around the 19th century especially english public culture became
00:52:02 super moralizing and there were all these laws against male same-sex acts and this made britain
00:52:11 a focal point for debates about homosexuality which is also sometimes seen as the british vice
00:52:16 along with flagellation and then in that climate continental commentators would talk
00:52:23 about the english vice to refer to specific behaviors either flagellation or same-sex
00:52:29 relations because it was it was more prevalent in like a sex work context or in people getting
00:52:36 caught and in big trouble for it and it kind of happened in a way it was like late onset italian
00:52:43 vice so italy really got the brunt of the same-sex reputation and what really stuck with the
00:52:49 uk was the bdsm stuff that is not what i've heard about how the uk got the bdsm stuff oh maybe i was
00:52:56 reading the wrong source so what did you get i heard that it came from british private schools
00:53:02 that use flogging as a punishment mechanism there's this one book that's called the english
00:53:09 vice it is a picture of a school teacher a male school teacher who's short and stout and has
00:53:17 something of a whip i mean maybe it was it came from this rep i haven't read the book i i did not
00:53:21 read an entire book for this one episode i'm so sorry but apparently what would happen is the kids
00:53:27 would go and do it to each other oh like them that's that's where like they'd be like oh this
00:53:33 is kind of kinky or whatever and then it like took off as like a thing that people would do i mean
00:53:40 i think you know bds well yeah i mean school paddles were super pervasive corporal punishment
00:53:46 was extremely pervasive in british schools so it maybe it's also that because that form of
00:53:53 corporal punishment especially things like the paddle were very very common in british schools
00:53:57 that more people learned they were into it right like ayla writes in her on her substack about how
00:54:06 like she didn't think she was that into sex and then experienced for the first time some forms
00:54:11 of like bdsm and was like oh my god and maybe the thing is like in the rest of europe there may not
00:54:17 have been this exact type of corporal punishment like being spanked with a paddle or something in
00:54:23 the same kind of context also public humiliation right so it could just be that certain forms of
00:54:28 attempted puritanical punishment in the uk awoken sexually a bunch of people who if not exposed to
00:54:38 that would never have known that it would cause such satisfaction yeah that makes sense the rest 0.59
00:54:44 is not that interesting that muslims are seen as fanatical warriors basically they were like
00:54:49 sexually threatening and religiously dangerous and you kind of admired them for their courage 1.00
00:54:55 but you feared them as these enemies of christendom so they were kind of just like the 0.98
00:54:59 big scary bad other yeah and northern europeans again like sort of barbaric dull workhorses not 0.89
00:55:07 very smart and then in contrast southerners were seen as very indulgent drama queens what's super 0.81
00:55:15 interesting to me is that this even falls into a microcosm microcosmic context with places like
00:55:22 italy like within italy northern italians were seen as industrious but like socially cold
00:55:32 and southerners were seen as lazy and emotional and yet like throughout the rest of europe also
00:55:39 northerners were seen as like these workers who were kind of like boring and stern and like anyone
00:55:44 And South was seen as like, oh, like, oh, so emotional and kind of lazy.
00:55:50 What's ironic to me is that this is still portrayed even in my Korean Mawa books, which shows how cross-cultural it is that you always have the archetype of the Duke of the North, who's super cold and competent and warlike.
00:56:04 And then the Duke of the South, who's often very charismatic, likable, geniable, funny, outgoing.
00:56:13 and of course my favorite is the duke of the north that's why i always have myself drawn that way
00:56:18 and it's very interesting to me that i mean we have i think we have some done some different
00:56:23 episodes about the role that heat and cold play in civilizational development and that i mean
00:56:30 clearly if you live in a very cold climate the only the conscientious people will survive because
00:56:37 only the conscientious people will have built shelters and food supplies that can get them
00:56:42 through an extremely cold and frozen winter where no food grows. And in Southern cultures,
00:56:46 you're more likely to see some maybe more charismatic, but indolent people make it through
00:56:52 genetic chokeholds because they don't depend so much on delayed gratification and preparation
00:56:59 and building in order to survive because it's not going to become a frozen tundra for like
00:57:04 four months out of the year. So I found that interesting and that the stereotypes would
00:57:10 play out that way, but that is the just of what I found. 0.72
00:57:13 Ancient Russian stereotypes they've ever seen is incredibly backwards and animalistic, 0.91
00:57:18 but they also got their butts whipped by like every horde that came through their country 0.74
00:57:23 in like really brutalistic ways.
00:57:25 Like the famous case where they put a bunch of people under a table and had a feast while
00:57:29 crushing them.
00:57:30 What?
00:57:31 That's horrible. 0.99
00:57:32 This was the Mongols or the Huns or one of one of these groups. 0.98
00:57:35 Oh yeah.
00:57:36 I didn't even get into the Mongols. 1.00
00:57:38 is art of the mongols being you know terrifying i feel like that's something we don't need to be 0.99
00:57:43 enlightened on because we all know it that they'd be scary we should do a whole other episode on the 0.93
00:57:47 history of american interracial racism like the different groups and how they hated each other
00:57:52 yeah if this episode does well and y'all like it we'll we'll we'll get into yeah
00:57:56 and then like do a museum where it's like a bunch of like jemima and jemimas and stuff oh my god
00:58:07 right in the aunt jemima restaurant was it called the aunt jemima restaurant or was it called
00:58:10 something else something like that i mean even we had aunt jemima syrup and even i watched like
00:58:16 shirley temple movies where it was like there was some token uncle figure who would like sing and
00:58:24 dance and just be it's so weird it's so weird yeah that could be an interesting episode but also
00:58:31 probably gonna get this channel in big trouble so i don't know i don't know i don't think i don't
00:58:37 I mean, we'll focus mostly on non-discriminated groups in a modern context.
00:58:42 Well, we just, we were declared racists by our own child.
00:58:47 Yeah, he said that we raise him, so we're racists.
00:58:52 I love that.
00:58:53 I love that so much.
00:58:54 What does racism mean, Octavian?
00:58:57 Well, raise.
00:58:59 Raise.
00:58:59 You raised me.
00:59:00 It's people who raise.
00:59:03 We've got to take that.
00:59:05 We've got to take it.
00:59:06 Yes.
00:59:07 yes okay well i love you i'm going to go make you pumpkin no yeah pumpkin curry with bok choy
00:59:14 with bok choy i think would be great and you can put it on top of yeah whatever
00:59:19 do you really want fries or do you really want well with bok choy well with right with bok choy
00:59:25 i think you want rice to soak up the curry yeah i think rice would be the right thing with bok choy
00:59:31 and i'm just gonna stir fry the bok choy with the curry like the last like 30 seconds right i don't
00:59:37 want to cook it that much right yeah you don't you don't cook the bok choy that long and you
00:59:41 might want to put in a little bit of like oyster sauce or something with this so that the bok choy
00:59:45 works a bit better with the pumpkin curry yes sure let's do it anything outside from oyster
00:59:51 oyster sauce you want hoisin sauce as well for a little sweetness i guess the pumpkin brings so
00:59:55 sweet you don't really need it yeah you don't really need that okay we're all right love you
01:00:01 i love you too bye bye just so you know malcolm is surrounded by empty cans dirty clothes it's it's
01:00:11 like the trash pit in from star wars quite literally that's what i feel like every time
01:00:15 i wade into to try to like deliver him that's why a drink or a smoothie and so when malcolm
01:00:22 discovered that his mic stand is not compatible with his heavy super expensive mic that y'all
01:00:28 made us get thanks hope you like this sound he decided to counterweight it by taping a coke can
01:00:37 to his mic stand and that's it's a look it's a very i would say cohesive aesthetic any interior
01:00:45 decorator i think would come to appreciate it i hate you so much simone when when malcolm's
01:00:52 camera goes to full landscape mode suddenly this short angle of his room disappears and you can
01:00:59 see the track probably for like interviews and stuff because it is yes yeah yeah oh god don't
01:01:06 no don't do it oh why did you do don't don't go back go back jump scare oh god
01:01:13 why did you do that why did i need to see that i'm not like jordan peterson i never told anyone
01:01:20 to make their bed okay you're better than possible to make there's no making live live in a pigsty i
01:01:26 don't care i like presumably it does make you marginally more efficient for some people but
01:01:31 it doesn't for me like i you know and and and people are different right like you know some
01:01:35 people are better with order some people are better with chaos yeah this this is the the not
01:01:41 malcolm bedroom that it looks weird because tech sleeps on the bed with me and there's pillows
01:01:45 there to keep him from falling off because he decides to go on a journey every night he dreams
01:01:51 of going to Mordor throwing in the ring but it really involves a lot of kicking and crawling
01:01:56 around so I will kick us off oh for dinner tonight I mean we have the nice salami do you want me to
01:02:03 do something with that oh I like the nice salami okay so if I was going to do something with nice
01:02:10 salami i would eat it on toast would you oh you want nice salami and grilled cheese just
01:02:19 i have a great idea garlic bread cheesy garlic bread a few final side notes for art fab if you
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01:02:48 of all not safe for work search engines the other thing is i have recently added or will be added
01:02:54 shortly after this video goes live a model that china put out which is beating the one that
01:03:00 anthropic had to take down by order of the u.s government on coding stuff so if you're using our
01:03:05 vibe coding system we have a model that is equivalent to anthropic fable which is exciting
01:03:11 you guys gonna have a battle you're gonna have the ultimate battle yeah i would take a battle
01:03:17 if i put in a different gun a different gun what's wrong with that gun
01:03:22 oh no all right should i get the water out you guys ready
01:03:28 okay so she's gonna go to his gun wardrobe
01:03:33 Yeah, Andy, you want me to open it up for you?
01:03:37 Yeah. Okay, I'll get it.