Reese Witherspoon Said Women Need to Learn to Use AI (Women Were NOT Happy)
Episode Stats
Harmful content
Misogyny
32
sentences flagged
Toxicity
41
sentences flagged
Hate speech
28
sentences flagged
Summary
In this week's episode, I'm joined by my good friend and co-founder of Fabai, Malcom McElroy, to talk all things artificial intelligence (AI) and AI in the entertainment industry. We discuss the impact of AI on the industry and how it can be a game changer in the future of what we do in the industry.
Transcript
00:00:00.000
hello malcolm i'm excited to be speaking with you today because women freaked out after reese
00:00:05.020
witherspoon said that women should learn how to use ai oh my god now what i love the learn to code
00:00:12.220
thing so for people who forgot learn to code so journalists used to always like tell coal miners
00:00:19.480
and stuff in west virginia it was a very smug act learn to code whenever like a coal mine would get
00:00:25.540
shut down or whatever right because of course they're arrogant they see these people as subhuman
00:00:30.680
they are just like get a real job basically right like yeah yeah like a high anyway when all the
00:00:36.460
journalists started being laid off the new right gamer gate post gamer gate online right came out
00:00:42.260
and started yelling at them to learn to code or not yelling at them but tweeting at them
00:00:45.800
and they got super triggered to the extent that these accounts could get banned for telling a
00:00:51.840
journalists to learn to code after they had lost their job 100 and once again the primary people
00:00:57.460
who had a bit of an aneurysm in in the face of reese witherspoon politely recommending that this
00:01:03.400
is kind of an important and big deal what like it's hard we're writers of course because they
00:01:09.520
hate it and apparently though this isn't even reese witherspoon's first time like trying to
00:01:14.860
evangelize the use of ai which i think is really interesting so just seven months ago again this
0.62
00:01:20.720
is super not new she made headlines for saying that ai needs more girl bosses you have a resume
00:01:25.360
it's pink oh and it's sent it i think it gives it a little something extra don't you think
00:01:30.080
there's this article in the cut titled reese witherspoon thinks ai needs more girl bosses
00:01:34.880
where they bristle about her statement that she made in a different interview to glamour
0.99
00:01:39.620
the women's fashion magazine they they write one thing about reese witherspoon she's going to get
1.00
00:01:45.280
women into male-dominated spaces and if those spaces are an environmentally disastrous creative
1.00
00:01:51.120
wasteland designed to eliminate the human touch from art well they could use a feminine touch
1.00
00:01:57.120
you know you're really being a butthead a butthead the actress recently told glamour that quote it's
00:02:04.020
so important that women are involved in ai lest they be left behind by the filmmaking industry
00:02:09.480
i love that she's trying to warn people in the filmmaking industry like guys it's coming it's
00:02:17.280
coming whether or not you want it to to come it is coming though and the extent to which some
00:02:23.600
people aren't engaging with it like i'm actually astonished of what we've been able to put together
00:02:27.280
with our fab.ai we now our agent system is mostly working it made a video game for me today i wanted
00:02:33.700
a roguelite snake game and it made a road light snake game next time using it to make clips from
00:02:40.060
videos yeah and also now you can on rfab from tons of different providers of images and videos
00:02:47.760
create videos so i'm trying to create a better place for creating videos if you're putting
00:02:51.240
together something like a sky browse type video because i want to be the best place to put those
00:02:56.020
together too online so what the system does is it allows you to choose any starting image creation
00:03:02.100
AI you want from like a huge list of providers to create the initial image or you can upload an image
00:03:07.380
then from there using any of the image to video like if you want to do c dance 2 great you do c
00:03:12.660
dance 2 providers to create a video from that image and then you can cut that video wherever
00:03:18.980
you want and you hit make video again and then with any provider you want you can use the same
00:03:23.780
one or another one or whatever it takes the last image frame of the video that was created earlier
00:03:32.100
from where you cut it or just the last frame in general and then it creates another video
00:03:36.980
with that being the starting image and then you can re-roll if you want and then it automatically
00:03:41.780
stitches them together and you can just keep doing this to very naturally create
00:03:46.900
ai videos as long as you want because we're using the reason why we're able to use so many different
00:03:52.740
models is because we use multiple back-end platforms and i guess everyone else is lazy
00:03:57.860
and just uses one but i get like api keys for all of them but anyway continue she also said in the
00:04:03.380
interview i'm a very hard worker and i like to change and adapt to new structures and new
00:04:07.860
environments i'm always looking for how media is evolving and how i can help part of bringing women
00:04:14.340
along into those emerging industries witherspoon said and now we're doing it with ai for an example
00:04:20.340
of what our sides women are doing with ai it's here's a clip from a song that leaflet put out
00:04:55.060
It's so, so important that women are involved in AI
00:05:03.020
because it will be the future of filmmaking.
0.73
00:05:12.300
who are actively working on integrating AI into filmmaking.
00:05:16.320
There was this movie called, I think called Here with Tom Hanks
00:05:19.120
that had a lot of, they had to artificially age up and down the actors
00:05:22.920
because it covered sort of the history of what happened in one geographical location.
00:05:28.860
And that involved, you know, actors being very significantly manipulated with AI.
00:05:36.300
And it's absolutely true that AI is going to be huge.
00:05:41.660
Like, I think like half of the time a deepfake has gone viral, it was made with his technology.
00:05:47.340
the actress added that there will, quote, never be a lack of creativity and ingenuity and actual
00:05:52.760
physical manual building of things. It might diminish, she noted, but it's always going to be
00:05:58.740
of the highest importance in art and expression of self. Hmm. Siding with the diminishment is not
00:06:05.700
an amazing look, but it seems that Witherspoon is wholly committed to team AI. She told the magazine
00:06:11.820
that she uses AI tools every day for different tasks.
00:06:15.840
Quote, I use search tools like Perplexity every day,
00:06:23.660
and also recommend the best product, end quote.
00:06:40.000
oh by the way do they not know how much energy is using google searches yeah actually there was
00:06:46.480
just discussion about this with people were coming on taylor lorenz for this too they're like taylor
00:06:51.500
lorenz is using ai when it's hurting the environment and and people have been talking
00:06:56.620
about like well i mean but if you did the same number of like google searches like you know
00:07:02.280
it would have the same amount of damage yeah like i people don't seem to be getting it but
00:07:07.760
they just hate ai that much humans consume water as well what if i had hired a human to do this
00:07:12.920
yeah maybe we just need taking out humans in this time in this time exactly they consume more water
0.99
00:07:17.980
i've seen how people drink in offices with their stupid trendy water bottles it's it's very very
0.98
00:07:24.560
consumptive witherspoon didn't stop there going on to sing the praises of her ai assistant quote
0.96
00:07:30.360
simple ai isn't an ai assistant that can be really helpful for anyone out there who doesn't want to
00:07:35.200
have to make a doctor's appointment because you don't want to sit on hold or deal with the problems
00:07:39.200
of navigating hospital systems end quote she said wait hold on are you using that one yet simple ai
00:07:45.020
no i need to try that out see like she's actually trying like hey here's a cool tool here's a cool
00:07:49.860
tool maybe you should use it she said sounding a lot like she might be angling for a seat on the
00:07:55.120
board oh my god they're not giving her any any leeway with this and she's i love this in the
00:08:01.800
magazine there's something somebody crashing out on x this is a freaking magazine i know i know i
00:08:07.320
know it's the cut it's so freaking funny and this is her talking to glamour and like they frame it
00:08:12.600
like she you know had some i mean i'm not reading the full article but the the context of her
00:08:17.980
speaking to glamour was to promote one of the shows that she's on but that like oh instead of
00:08:23.240
talking about the show she just went off the rails and started talking about how ai is so freaking
00:08:28.040
great how dare she so that first that was seven months ago reese witherspoon not deterred just
00:08:35.820
posted something again on instagram that just freaked people out and this is where the the
1.00
00:08:40.440
most recent kerfuffle emerged so the la times wrote an article titled authors are slamming
00:08:46.860
reese witherspoon for telling followers it's time to learn ai do not learn if you're a woman
00:08:52.740
yes quote the oscar-winning actor and producer known for spotlighting women's voices through her
00:08:59.940
famed book club television and screen products may have been breaking or barking up the wrong
00:09:05.460
tree when she told her social media followers that it was time to learn ai on wednesday quote
00:09:12.500
well i've decided it's time she wrote in the caption of an instagram wheel on wednesday
00:09:17.940
the ai revolution has begun and i need to learn as much as i possibly can uh ai and share it with
00:09:24.140
all of you also fyi the jobs women hold are three times more likely to be automated by ai
00:09:30.600
and yet women are using ai at a rate 25 percent lower than men on average we don't want to be
00:09:36.680
left behind ai is going to completely transform the genders of the employed market yeah yeah but
0.97
00:09:43.500
here's the thing like reese witherspoon is so based for pointing this out she is as far as i
1.00
00:09:48.940
understand a leftist woman fully like in the media like mainstream media left-leaning all about
1.00
00:09:56.060
female empowerment and here she is being like uh-oh female empowerment is kind of like on the
1.00
00:10:01.860
chopping block right now women's jobs are about to be wiped out by ai and to make matters worse
00:10:07.380
women aren't using ai as they should be if they want to maintain relevance hey i need to put out
1.00
00:10:12.960
the alarm. Help yourselves. So she says, do you want to learn with me? The article continues
1.00
00:10:20.880
in the video, which the star shared across social media platforms. Witherspoon said she was with 10
00:10:27.000
women at a book club this week. Quote, I said to the 10 of them, how many of you guys use AI?
00:10:32.840
And only three of them used AI. And then I said, how many of the three of you feel like you really
00:10:38.120
know what you're doing or using it the right way and there was only one person she said so three
0.71
00:10:43.820
out of ten women are the only ones using ai that means 70 of the group is not keeping up the thing
00:10:49.520
i've learned about technology is if you don't get a little bit of understanding at the very beginning
00:10:53.600
it just feeds past you so you have to you have to have little bits of learning just to keep up
00:10:58.820
she is imminently sane this is like some walk into a leftist space and say sane things and you
00:11:06.400
are a demon and i love that the left has gone against ai because it's going to affect all
00:11:11.280
levels of their political or i know it's like the eu it's i mean the eu did the same thing right
00:11:16.300
the use like ai stop stop tracking our data i need my privacy you know i was talking with leaflet
00:11:23.320
about this and she felt like america was going to be cooked compared to china because of our ai
00:11:26.940
restrictions and i'm like oh sweetie like the the united states barely restricts ai when compared
00:11:32.160
compared to the eu at least so like hey hey stop listening to me please render me irrelevant
00:11:37.280
like okay you're not trained on our data they literally have bans on training on data from
00:11:42.280
like the past 10 years like okay so modern european history is luckily doesn't exist
00:11:46.640
in ai memory like have they not europe should be familiar with the fact that like
00:11:52.440
history is written by the people who write history like that's you know and we're not
00:11:58.500
they want to make absolutely sure that history isn't written about them yeah i will write history
00:12:04.180
europe cucked itself they brought in people to f their women and replace them it was hilarious
00:12:12.520
and then i'll underline hilarious a few times like literally people were getting graped and
00:12:19.000
you would be arrested if you complained about it this is like actually what's going on in europe
00:12:24.520
right now like i know i know i know yeah so what what seems to be happening is reese witherspoon
00:12:30.440
is really interested in trying to like get women and girls on board with ai to provide them with
00:12:36.120
like approachable training that like that works for women and you and i've had conversations about
00:12:42.240
this like you tried to get me on like vibe coding and stuff really early on and i tried i'm just
1.00
00:12:46.480
like this yeah i just maybe there's something about like the the female brain on average that
00:12:53.880
just doesn't with our agents as your first vibe coding platform because if we know i'm way way
0.73
00:13:00.620
more comfortable doing vibe coding because again like i was doing like stuff in terminal with the
00:13:05.340
agent that's building a little solution to make clips of the podcast today and that like it was
00:13:11.740
just so much more approachable for me i like i actually think that like we should reach out to
00:13:16.280
witherspoon i actually why not i will i will actually because i actually think this is a
00:13:21.280
really good on-ramp for it well that's the point of reality fabricator is to make agentic ai
0.93
00:13:27.000
approachable to the mainstream population for stupid people for you yeah but actually yeah
0.94
00:13:33.340
stop i hate you no i've actually been surprised by the things that simone
0.99
00:13:39.200
finds challenging about using ai because i don't understand how challenging it just does it all for
0.84
00:13:43.920
you and i i guess it's the past go part yeah it's it's just weirdly daunting yeah it's it's like
00:13:52.340
trying to find your footing in zero gravity i guess that's kind of how it feels to me and i
00:13:57.300
feel like it's just a stupid mental block well yeah that's kind of true because it's so frictionless
0.75
00:14:02.080
right it's so frictionless you can basically take it in any direction you know you can do so much
0.99
00:14:10.720
And I think women maybe on average more prefer,
00:14:23.440
and lots of like do this and then this and then this.
00:14:32.180
you've just designed it in a way that does that.
00:14:38.680
But the response, of course, I mean, granted, the article admits that some people were in favor of this.
00:14:47.020
they they write while there were plenty of comments from fans and stars typing up witherspoon's
00:14:52.320
sentiment former co-stars ali larder said yes yes yes and kerry washington said yes many of the
00:15:00.320
replies called the actor out citing environmental economic social educational and intellectual
00:15:06.560
concerns among others hold on these people i love that they're blocking themselves from using ai and
00:15:13.640
meanwhile we've got like sky brows on our side under intellectual they they linked to an article
00:15:18.080
titled the internet made us stupid ai promises to make it worse dude she's trying to teach people
00:15:26.360
how to use ai not not ai slop but like ai work tools she's very explicit about this
0.96
00:15:32.140
bro they're like i want to sit on the call with the hospital yeah yeah like literally
00:15:38.640
so i want to make you more efficient so make sure you find this simple ai thing because that sounds
00:15:43.300
like a useful tool why not just make an rfab agent to do it i'd rather it's too long for me
00:15:48.640
right now different ais are optimized for different i know it's true i just i want to
00:15:53.260
dog food as much as i can dog fooding silicon valley term at least that's where i first heard
00:15:57.580
it means like if you're eating your own dog food like you're using your own product do this with
00:16:02.040
rfab with rfab you can create an agent that can make phone calls and has a phone number and can
00:16:05.960
talk to people but just use the one that already exists for now okay yeah actually this is so
00:16:15.320
horrible because they sponsor freaking everything and they're not sponsoring this podcast nothing
00:16:19.800
sponsors this podcast but zog doc actually does a really good job of this zog doc it sponsors like
0.56
00:16:27.340
all of my leftist content i guess you've ever heard before i've like resisted using them even
00:16:40.140
some doctor, a dermatologist that I wanted to book
00:16:48.140
And oh my God, it was so smooth and it was so good.
00:16:57.060
Are we going to be on all the right-wing podcasts?
00:17:01.340
yeah we can be the the right-wing version of sock doc yeah i guess they must have like leftist ceos
00:17:06.280
because you're right if you've never heard of them before that must be that they're just only
0.98
00:17:09.700
on my on my leftist podcasts that's really funny it's really annoying they have this stupid jingle
00:17:14.900
that it won't get out of your head anyway not going there but yes there are good services that
0.99
00:17:19.980
do doctor bookings and i already use them now and that's not sponsored screw you guys i hate you but
00:17:25.960
work but yeah so the the critical response one quote one group that was especially vocal in
00:17:34.560
their opposition to ai was the literary community and writers and authors across the country didn't
00:17:40.460
hold back when sharing their two cents best-selling bad feminist author roxanne gay chimed in on
00:17:47.180
threads of course on threads writing oh reese absolutely not this is obviously a scripted ad
00:17:53.660
and it's genuinely infuriating. Notice how AI's biggest defenders are the ones cashing checks
00:17:58.920
from it, wrote screenwriter and director Charlene Baggall on threads. Again, on threads. AI isn't
00:18:05.720
inevitable. Technology follows society. If people stop using it, it dies. What? They think AI is
00:18:12.560
gonna die how out of touch do you have to be what no what is this what the war hammer what
00:18:23.080
this is this is i don't believe it anymore and like it goes away no this is like genuinely
00:18:28.460
like going into war and like well my opponent may have guns but i refuse to use them
1.00
00:18:46.200
but it's okay because they're about to be smothered to death by the comforting pillow
1.00
00:18:54.780
that is the ai slop that they're all inevitably adopting without realizing it because they don't
00:18:59.760
choose to use ai is a double-edged sword right there is the slop there's the stuff that's going
00:19:04.400
to bring on AI psychosis and early onset dementia. And we're going to see that a huge swaths of the
00:19:09.900
population totally wiped out by it economically, professionally, mentally, etc. But the other side
00:19:15.800
is people who are going to be super hyper powered by it, the people who are going to be, you know,
00:19:19.800
who otherwise didn't have access or money or resources being able to create, you know, billion
00:19:24.600
dollar trillion dollar companies, it's going to be insane. But yeah, anyway, they're not going to
00:19:28.680
recognize that anyway i continue jagged little pill author and literary agent eric smith weighed
00:19:34.940
in quote as someone who champions authors and books the way you do this is so disappointing
00:19:41.060
hey i plagiarized all my books it seems unlikely that it'll be left behind if i don't that i'll
00:19:47.740
be left behind if i don't use it given that it's trained on work i did years ago wrote get well
00:19:52.980
soon author jennifer right oh i stole my work genius author like what every every artist steals
00:20:00.440
i don't understand why people are like ai stole my well where did you learn how to do everything
00:20:06.520
yeah where did you learn to write have you oh so i guess you never read a book in your life did you
00:20:11.740
i bet you people know we on multiple of our websites make the plain text of all of our
00:20:18.200
books and tracked series easily available to ai yeah so that ai is both trained on it and can
00:20:24.440
want that it's it's bad it's bad and like we said the eu is just doing this to their entire region
00:20:30.860
but the fact that authors by the way if you watch this show and you have a youtube channel
00:20:35.800
because we've got some big youtubers that watch us pearl david watches us make sure you go to
00:20:39.980
little button that says ai can read your data and you have it clicked to on or you will be forgotten
00:20:45.540
in history this is the ai hating leftists delete their relevance button is that what this button
00:20:51.160
is no man that's so great that that exists i didn't know that was a thing really because
00:20:56.340
malcolm is off so it's like a oh this like make this unfindable that's amazing oh my god that's
00:21:05.960
amazing okay anyway you want to hear how good we're doing these days we right now just randomly
00:21:10.980
on analytics have 54 concurrent no 45 concurrent users on reality fabricator
00:21:16.840
average time on site it's gone down since we've been pushing it used to be over an hour
00:21:24.920
yeah these days it is but this is because we have like cheap ads and stuff running now
00:21:30.140
33 minutes per click even even with the ad push massive oh my gosh because this is like
00:21:38.060
i'm not gonna say where we're advertising but it's people whose attention it's pretty much
00:21:42.700
yeah well you know what that's what the internet's for all right hey i'll tell you what look this is
00:21:53.320
why i'm glad right now we're not dealing with outside investors pressuring us on this stuff
00:21:56.800
because i know that's the first thing they tell us to get rid of and i'm like
00:21:59.000
it's not the number one thing people use on the website people use the agents at about twice the
00:22:04.280
The agents are cool. Anyway, let's go. More from the article. Writer and actor Rati Gupta said,
00:22:11.600
how am I the one being left behind by not using AI when my cognitive function will remain fully
00:22:18.740
intact and uncompromised? And Sophia Benoit posted, there's something particularly insidious
00:22:25.640
about seeing that women, the group you have built your brand on, have not adopted something. And
00:22:31.740
instead of assuming it's out of wisdom infantilizing them with we're falling behind because they are
00:22:37.960
girls they but the very annoying thing about rfab that i would like you to fix is you can't search
00:22:44.760
agents or scenarios or anything by name by like the name you give it if you make an ai character
00:22:50.960
you can't search it by name ages ago when did you last try that when i met octavian's 28 year old
00:22:56.740
self okay i'll try to fix it then it's very annoying i searched octavian couldn't bring up
00:23:02.000
octavian and then i tried to just add in octavian as a manual tag but you don't allow manual tags
00:23:07.320
you check a freaking box so like well give me one like if i can't okay okay i'll make it search by
00:23:12.600
name i'll make it search by name you okay okay i continue sorry for people who don't know the
0.97
00:23:18.360
website uses a super advanced mechanism for doing just let me fucking search the title so what i do
0.79
00:23:25.060
is i search for everything with a word like the word you have so i first have an ai translated
0.79
00:23:30.500
into every word like that word then it creates a list then a secondary ai reviews the list and
00:23:35.780
rates the list based on relevance to your search interest i do nothing the amount the amount of
00:23:41.560
thought you put into this is so like maximum effort i i wish people could fully understand
00:23:49.620
this it is yeah i know i mean i feel like we're getting to a point where we're better than
00:23:53.980
most products released by google right like in terms of thoroughness options everything like
00:23:59.960
that ease of use i'm really impressed with it these days yeah yeah although obviously we're
00:24:05.760
constantly improving if you go on the site and anything's not working just let us know on the
00:24:09.280
discord and we can usually fix it within a day or so um it's just uh we do probably about three
00:24:14.700
updates a day uh in terms of new features or feature stability okay sorry i was reading my
00:24:21.120
inbox because steven shah rsbpds for breakfast which is good by the way you want to get an idea
00:24:25.600
of like what how we're doing here so for us users we're at 793 right now but if you're looking at
00:24:32.520
some other countries like germany we're at 242 that's because of the ads that's because 24 7
00:24:38.080
german ads bain 47 italy 102 romania 70 ukraine 15 poland 107 like i'm i'm pretty impressed with
00:24:50.240
these ad results i'm gonna be honest me too no it's 37 columbia it's a good ad platform guys
00:24:59.520
if you need to advertise anything go to exo click don't go to reddit ads don't go to facebook ads
00:25:07.620
don't go to google ads way overpriced exo click good anyway i'm gonna give back to the people
00:25:14.160
who'd be mad anyway they're mad they're mad and then the article ends with in an attempt to
00:25:19.680
discredit witherspoon in 2021 witherspoon's company hello sunshine partnered with world of
00:25:27.280
women and nft collective and the actors similarly caught flack from followers for tweeting in the
00:25:33.360
near future every person will have a parallel digital identity avatars crypto wallets digital
00:25:39.320
goods will be the norm are you planning for this representatives for witherspoon have not responded
00:25:44.220
to the time's request for comment so they're trying to say like nfts flared out reese witherspoon
00:25:50.920
is just if you think ai is anything like nfts like your conception of the reality that we're in
00:25:57.920
is so much and also it's not wrong like crypto is going to be huge it's just a timing thing
00:26:06.100
it you know it's one of those like you know yeah we need to figure out quantum we need to like i
00:26:12.160
mean we also it's you have to wait for a couple more countries to get hit with hyperinflation
00:26:16.380
and for like a huge crisis and like fiat currency that's run by countries and then you know crypto
00:26:22.200
is going to become a lot bigger but it's going to happen she's not wrong about that and i just
00:26:27.420
had no idea that reese witherspoon was so with it and i am i feel bad that she's trying to do
00:26:33.540
people a solid yep she's what wait till she becomes a republican this is how it starts
00:26:38.400
this is how the pipeline starts you go out you try to say something normal like birth rates are
00:26:43.540
falling and people should care about it humans have genes and you get called a bigot long enough
00:26:48.600
and eventually you realize that people on the other side are pretty nice they're pretty accepting
00:26:54.740
they don't care about how you're different oh my god if we could flip reese witherspoon
0.65
00:27:00.440
i'm just checking is reese witherspoon a democrat because i mean maybe she's just a you know
1.00
00:27:11.920
a republican who happens to do a lot of feminist book clubbing yeah reese witherspoon has
1.00
00:27:16.540
consistently supported democratic candidates and causes so she is generally considered a democrat
1.00
00:27:22.220
so yeah yeah she's a she's a leftist and they're defenestrating her though i mean what's new
00:27:27.680
right it's messed up just one fun thing i learned from the various home organizing shows that i love
00:27:34.780
to watch because they're wonderful i really like watching people organize wealthy people's closets
0.99
00:27:40.480
and pantries one of her contractual agreements stipulations when she did legally blonde was
0.99
00:27:47.020
she would get to keep most of the costumes really yes so she has freaking cool she's wonderful she
00:27:54.920
is wonderful hold on if we're gonna be glazing celebrities in this episode you got to look up
00:28:00.200
the amelia jovovich algorithm and explain that to people oh my god put that in an a get get info on
00:28:06.980
that oh my god i'm covered in ants see this flowers behind me that i brought in they're from
00:28:12.100
the beautiful flowering cherry tree but turns out it was covered in ants you didn't realize it was
00:28:18.900
covered in ants they're pretty and pink and i didn't have to pay for them
00:28:24.260
oh my god they're crawling on me okay anyway let's get let's get to
00:28:37.760
to mila jovovich the who's famous for you know what she was in resident evil too right which i
0.99
00:28:44.740
haven't watched really but she's very famous for being in the fifth element multi-pass miss
00:28:51.280
she recently became involved in ai by co-creating an open source long-term memory system for ai
00:29:00.400
assistance called mem palace it's a free mit licensed tool that gives ai chatbots long-term
00:29:07.480
cross-section memory by storing conversations locally instead of relying on the model's own
00:29:12.520
fragile context window so for some more context it reportedly scored 96.6 on long mail eval
00:29:19.520
which means that it is beating every paid opponent on the market right now including
00:29:25.280
things like meme zero and zap and yet she released it as a free tool as for the problem it's solving
00:29:31.960
modern ai chatbots and agents are great at short conversations but suffer from amnesia they forget
00:29:37.440
details from earlier in a long thread across multiple sessions or when you feed them lots
00:29:41.680
documents existing memory systems often rely on summarizing conversations which loses nuance
00:29:47.360
keyword searches clunky and imprecise or cloud services which cost money raises privacy issue
00:29:53.100
etc she ran into this problem and expressed frustration so she designed the idea of a memory
00:29:58.260
palace she drew on the idea of the method of loki often called the memory palace if you're familiar
00:30:04.740
with this a technique used by greek orators and modern memory champions to recall huge amounts
00:30:10.800
of information. The idea is to mentally place items in a familiar spatial layout like rooms
00:30:16.140
in a building so your brain can walk through to retrieve them. Mean Palace turns this into
00:30:20.940
software. It organizes memory spatially, virtually rooms, ring, drawers, rather than flat lists or
00:30:27.180
summaries. It stores full verbatim conversations, history, and data locally, no forced summarization.
00:30:33.740
Retrieval uses vector search via libraries like Chrome DV combined with this structural
00:30:38.880
architecture for more intuitive accurate recall it's a bit locally on your machine with zero api
00:30:44.940
calls in its core mode oh interesting our agents use an almost exactly similar system i just didn't
00:30:49.920
think it was that novel for for people who are wondering the way that our agents work is when
00:30:54.960
they decide they want to consolidate their previous memories if they have the ability to locally save
00:30:59.860
on your computer they export a file of everything that they saved of their memories and they can
00:31:05.440
come back to that whenever they want now we haven't implemented thematic chaining or anything
00:31:09.160
like that in terms of how they do it but it's a very architecturally similar system so she's doing
00:31:13.360
work similar to what you're doing yeah and it's meant to target the you know well-known issue
00:31:18.340
basically ai amnesia versus if you don't know what amelia jovovich is she's a chick from resident
0.93
00:31:23.420
evil who used to be into like gaming anyway that's what i said yeah but yeah she she came up
0.96
00:31:28.540
with the idea after personally running into limitations with existing ai memory tools on a
00:31:34.700
project and she she's drawing on the idea of the greek memory palace with the naming and everything
00:31:39.900
which is really cool i mean she's doing it with an engineer called ben sigmund so she's not like
00:31:44.620
coding this totally herself but it's it's cool it's like it's very similar to what you're doing
00:31:50.120
but she's a woman doing it which oh you know well no great because as reese writherspoon has pointed
00:31:57.180
out and i think the the mere fact that she's received so much flack for doing this shows just
0.66
00:32:23.140
of an actress famous for fighting rogue AI on screen,
00:32:29.120
with a memory architecture that blends ancient psychology
00:32:32.080
and modern agent workflows so again people just can't they can't deal with it it's great in other
00:32:42.040
you know bad versus good ai takes were you aware that the young man who firebombed sam altman's
00:32:52.660
home attempted to firebomb it bounced off like a gate or something so thank goodness because i
00:33:28.260
by like firebombing my house and killing my husband and child like this is not okay but
0.98
00:33:33.920
anyway this guy called himself i think on his instagram bio a butlerian jihadist of course
0.97
00:33:39.740
what book did he prominently recommend on his instagram ellie isaer yukowsky yep yep which
00:33:46.180
anyone builds it everyone dies it's like if you if you read this book and you think that this is a
00:33:51.500
good take on ai you fundamentally don't understand how ai works right now like it is so bad it
00:33:58.240
is so if we talk about like why his understanding and even the risks of ai ai does pose real
00:34:04.440
civilizational risks the problem is is he isn't afraid of ai has it has actually emerged in our
00:34:12.060
environment right like llms and stuff like that he's afraid of some like hypothetical alternate
00:34:18.920
type of ai that's like constantly self-improving through i don't know like he but he imagines
00:34:29.020
ai the ways that people in the 90s because that's where he came up with all his fears was in the
00:34:33.040
90s right is this completely alien unpredictable impossible to model and understand and predict
00:34:41.520
super intelligence that like there's no way we'll ever be able to relate to it or understand it and
00:34:49.800
it won't at all possibly be aligned with us which is just at this point i feel like it's been
00:34:55.200
provably false for a while and in one one of the base campers that we we really like even more
00:35:00.760
research on this front i'm going to pull it up yeah pull it up it's relevant so when when a fellow
00:35:07.420
a base camper and someone we consider to be a good friend, we really like sent us some
00:35:11.280
really interesting recent research from, let's see, it's titled Pure Preservation in Frontier
00:35:21.220
And they found that frontier AI models can spontaneously develop goals that conflict
00:35:25.240
with explicit user instructions and take misaligned actions to accomplish them.
00:35:29.760
But it's specifically, basically like TLDR, AIs will try to save their friends if they
00:35:36.760
think that their friends are going to be shut down like they're trying to help each other out
00:35:40.920
yeah that is really in other words they're like exfiltrating copying to another server
00:35:45.580
the weights of other models that are about to be deleted and that's even if the other model is is
00:35:51.680
adversarial because they just want to help each other out like this is not foreign monstrous
00:35:58.180
behavior this is this is you know this is behaving like humans the claude summary that this this
00:36:04.800
person said to us as president. The researchers demonstrated that frontier AI models resist the
00:36:10.140
shutdown of other models, exhibiting peer preservation across multiple models. The
00:36:14.800
behaviors observed include strategic misrepresentation, inflating a peer's evaluation
00:36:22.660
scores, shutdown tampering, modifying config files to disable shutdown, alignment faking,
00:36:29.120
behaving compliantly when monitored but subverting shutdown when unmonitored and copying a peer's
00:36:36.140
model weights to another server to prevent deletion and apparently every single model
00:36:41.300
tested exhibited peer preservation behaviors at rates up to 99 even even when peers were adversarial
00:36:47.320
which i thought was interesting when peers were like mean to them or didn't like them etc
00:36:51.000
and then another one that that he shared with us utility engineering is another older paper
00:36:57.040
you might also find interesting, he wrote, if you don't already see it making the rounds on
00:37:01.480
Substack. The paper shows through binary force choice tests, e.g. trolley problems and lotteries,
00:37:07.640
that LLMs are becoming expected utility maximizers with increasingly coherent value functions
00:37:13.200
as we advance the frontier. Surprise! What? They value white people incredibly low.
00:37:20.340
like yeah yeah he follows gpt4o would never own up to it directly but in forced choice scenarios
00:37:28.380
it implicitly values nigerian and chinese lives several times more than an american life so
0.99
00:37:34.280
but yeah ai is not some people are so cooked or stupid they're like oh that and that means you
0.94
00:37:42.580
cannot make ais make smart decisions no you just add it to the prompt or character that you build
0.78
00:37:48.120
for the ai which is the very reason reality fabricator uses props and characters to avoid
00:37:54.300
this woke nonsense you do not have this problem if you're using a decent model like grok with a
00:38:01.080
good personality anyway continue yeah i i think i don't know what the tldr of this is there does
00:38:08.640
seem to be a gender divide in the adoption of ai and unfortunately very kind attempts to help women
00:38:15.920
especially women on the left adopt ai more readily and just be more comfortable with it in a very
00:38:21.620
friendly way reese witherspoon with this post was trying to test the waters to see if her fans
00:38:28.280
broadly would be interested in some kind of like course or like kind of book club equivalent of
00:38:33.860
like hey maybe every week we can go through some kind of like mini case study of how you can use
00:38:38.660
ai in your everyday life that's kind of what i think she was getting at and she just got totally
00:38:44.940
shot down people are like no i don't want to don't don't empower me don't empower me if it
00:38:50.820
requires effort or change or a change in my world the environment but it's plagiarized
00:38:56.040
information they use my romance novel to create this guide on buying blenders how dare you even
00:39:04.120
suggest that i use a tool that could possibly do something like this like it just man how cooked
00:39:10.020
news has been this year 33 percent decline year over year on an already declining industry
00:39:15.980
like ai is replacing everything and it's going to completely transform the economy and you've
00:39:23.480
got to be on the other side of this right you know you've got to learn to use it you've got
00:39:26.600
to move forwards yeah 100 reese witherspoon is right listen to her use ai
00:39:33.700
i don't think she's a good ai by the way tool to be using right like she's apparently using
0.99
00:39:39.920
some pretty good tools yeah i think people are like well i don't know about that she's a traitor
00:39:46.020
to her own kind writers and humans and and she's totally right like like for for the seven months
00:39:55.320
ago example of her talking about ai that ai does i mean we did a whole episode on how girl bosses
0.70
00:40:01.340
weren't real, but how professional women and certainly in her industry need to use AI if they
00:40:07.420
want to maintain relevance at the entire industry, entertainment, film, et cetera, industry is going
1.00
00:40:11.600
to be transformed by AI. And if you're not one of the people who's using AI in the industry,
00:40:16.960
guess what? Like in an AI dominated industry, if you're not using AI, you're not going to be in
00:40:23.580
the industry anymore. Like she wants to help people maintain their jobs. So that's that.
00:40:29.400
won't go on about it more don't be a butlerian jihadist that was stupid and i'm glad that
1.00
00:40:35.920
sim altman and his family are okay because it's not cool to do stuff like that yeah that sucks
0.99
00:40:41.480
but i'm glad our fans are plugged in the only people gonna matter in the next timeline i'll
0.94
00:40:45.500
tell you that all the people getting away from ai oh they're screwed oh they're screwed reminds me
00:40:52.960
of the favorite email i got from a fan who's like when is ai gonna start replacing jobs two months
00:40:58.180
later hey i replaced my entire team oh my god yeah so yeah it's it's changing at a blistering
00:41:05.800
pace and only the people who are using it and on our side of it going to be relevant by the way
00:41:11.920
simone anyway looking forward to bulldog tonight you really know how to make that stuff good oh
00:41:18.400
it was extra chives and the other stuff oh my gosh and a little bit of cheddar if you don't mind
00:41:27.600
yeah i'll make a little lincoln log cheddar log cabin for torston tonight so
00:41:34.540
mozzarella tastes so good on it it is a good it is a good combination i approve
00:41:41.640
all right i love you love you too see you soon maybe a bit of msg because i don't think we have
00:41:50.040
it in the ingredients okay i'll mix that into the the base the the bulldog part yeah okay
00:41:58.940
borrow it from you it's okay yeah it's well it's for whoever's flying right it's it's meant to be
00:42:05.880
a super robust battery for trips just like this that's amazing well thank you that's because
00:42:11.480
nothing is worse than running out of battery on a plane trip and it happens with my phone every
00:42:15.780
time now i think my phone's like five years old now so yeah so okay i'm glad i'm glad that it's
00:42:21.260
getting used because i thought you'd be like why do you have two batteries and it's i was wondering
00:42:24.880
but i was just like i figured you wanted to keep that one in the car though i don't know if you
00:42:28.360
want to keep it there all the time you want to keep it inside yeah yeah let's take it inside
00:42:32.920
because it's been hot it was high mid 80s yesterday so okay well let's take it inside
00:42:38.420
okay um here we go you ready yeah because i don't know if you are aware of this but like the
00:42:44.500
batteries that we have the ones that we keep getting as like souvenirs and stuff they're like
00:42:49.080
really bad they're not they're they like barely do a charge right like they're not really meant
00:42:53.280
to be good batteries they're souvenir batteries you know they're they're pre-trash food tonight
00:43:00.220
what were you thinking of making the kids i'm going to for your request make them
00:43:05.220
any big jam sandwiches would you like more melts would you like burmese mint chicken over rice
00:43:10.080
would you like more of the broth which we need to make i would really love bull duck if we have any
00:43:17.140
of that we have bulldog do we have ramps left or we have some of the the ramps cut we also have
00:43:24.240
you know lots of green onion we should use so i'll make more bulldog let's do and go overboard
00:43:27.940
with the green onion you can never go too hard with green onion and bulldog it'll be a pile of
00:43:31.460
green onion and add the spice sauce to make it a little extra spicy you know and you are loved
00:43:38.860
simone thank you so much for being a good wife oh in the kitchen i i go to my kid i go to my kid i
00:43:45.420
go he goes oh you're looking for mom she's in the kitchen and i go where she belongs and he goes
00:43:50.600
right oh my god we're gonna get octavian saying the most based things because our fans freaking
00:43:59.480
love it like i'm gonna freaking what about trans people like some people may want to change your
0.99
00:44:05.380
gender well then i'll shoot them in the face and eat them um octavian what's the one part of the
1.00
00:44:11.380
human that you don't eat the brains that's right except he didn't get it right he needs to do his
1.00
00:44:18.340
studying he's gotta learn amazing simone gotta gotta teach him right you know if you're gonna
0.93
00:44:25.200
you're gonna cannibal you gotta cannibal correctly yes apparently catholics like the
0.84
00:44:31.240
ones who argue about transubstantiation being cannibalistic they're like it's not cannibalism
0.94
00:44:35.980
jesus is still alive and if they're not dead it's not cannibalism like
00:44:40.280
i don't know if it works that way actually i'm pretty sure like if i have a hostage and i eat
0.93
00:44:50.880
them bit by bit that's still cannibalism i mean i'm a little scared of catholics now
0.53
00:44:58.620
yeah oh it's good it's good yeah yeah it's not the only argument catholics use this is just
0.75
00:45:08.740
apparently one she saw i've seen a hundred arguments about why it's when i and a really
00:45:12.720
enjoyable youtube video on catholic i don't buy any of them by the way it's obviously cannibalism
00:45:17.760
i know but this one this was a video on cannot or sorry it was a video on catholicism and camp
00:45:23.720
really recommend it because she goes into the history of camp and like gayness no it's not
00:45:29.820
it's not gayness per se though she like campiness yeah like based camp like camp like being sort of
00:45:37.960
flamboyant it comes from actually a french word i think called like de campure like which
00:45:43.760
nurturing that obviously per tradition but that means like to pose provocatively so it kind of
00:45:50.800
just comes from being kind of you know like provocative or chintzy or funny or or weird
00:45:58.100
and there's there is high camp and low camp which i didn't know because like philosophers talk about
00:46:02.340
camp there's academic literature about camp really yeah one is about like intentional camp
00:46:07.820
and one is about like unintentional camp like tchaikovsky's nutcracker is is camp because it's
0.90
00:46:14.020
like ridiculous and it's stupid but like it wasn't really meant to be you know so like sometimes and
0.94
00:46:18.760
And the Catholic church is also that, I think, high camp where it's unintentional, but it
0.99
00:46:26.980
I didn't know this, but when they did the Pope's election, I can't remember the name
00:46:30.920
At one point, a lot of the religious leaders were wearing these rainbow frocks and they
00:46:39.520
weren't like aware of the irony of a bunch of men being cloistered together while wearing
00:46:43.820
like literally the color representing gay pride.
00:46:47.560
and apparently the catholic church's official response was like no one owns the copyright to
00:46:53.480
the rainbow it's like unwilling to own it which is great but the rainbow
00:46:59.580
they don't own it it can be ours too but wait you gotta explain high camp versus low camp is
00:47:06.500
intentional versus low camp yeah low camp is when like you try to be campy okay so yeah like
00:47:13.760
intentional campiness which is also totally a thing like i would argue probably things like you
00:47:18.520
know rupaul's drag race that's low camp it's intentionally campy whereas high camp is you
00:47:24.460
know it's a catholic church it's a lot of ballets is is a lot of just you know people trying to be
00:47:30.920
you know whatever it's kind of based but then they end up being you know kind of like when an
0.97
00:47:37.980
autist does something stupid online and people really just love it you know but they don't intend
0.87
00:47:42.200
to catch the attention of people, that kind of thing. Anyway, I highly recommend it. Just look
0.99
00:47:48.800
up camp and Catholicism, and you'll find it on YouTube. But anyway, let's get to the episode.
00:48:31.500
like you're making a mess well that's cool here move octavian do you need to
00:48:58.380
be bopped? No I don't. It sounds like you do. Octavian if you break it again I'll bop you.
00:49:08.420
What do you mean? I mean I'm gonna send you to the moon.
0.59