Based Camp - Replatform A Conference Fighting the Virus with David Ragsdale

00:00:00.000 keep wondering is when are we going to be able to talk about like what the science has actually said

00:00:04.240 about special case post special k good news good news so they know there is there's always a lag

00:00:10.960 right and so the google gods who who control a lot of what we can talk about on your show

00:00:19.040 on this channel there's probably going to be a a lag but today in the journal of medical ethics

00:00:24.640 there was this peer-reviewed paper and i'll send it to you by these six dutch researchers that looked

00:00:31.260 into the scapegoating did not take the interventions and their conclusions were it was misinformation

00:00:39.820 to scapegoat them because the pandemic risks were overstated and the efficacy of the intervention

00:00:48.800 was also overstated yeah number two the media created this misinformation three the disinformation

00:00:58.660 is incredibly harmful and the fourth thing they looked at who was doing the scapegoating

00:01:04.860 and by and large it was liberals and they looked at it by ideology and that people on the right were

00:01:13.340 not scapegoating even if they had had the intervention they refused to scapegoat but

00:01:19.160 liberals were the ones who are doing that so i you know we have a lot of liberals in our movement

00:01:24.980 and it's been very difficult i think for them and i feel for them but there's something about

00:01:31.600 this like all-encompassing liberalism that we are told we live under and it doesn't really appear

00:01:43.300 to be the thing itself well it's interesting that you say that i'm actually interested to see if

00:01:47.440 this video gets flagged some way or something like that because i don't know if we're allowed

00:01:51.420 to say this yet like i i genuinely don't know that's not the only study that shows that we were there

00:01:55.980 it's actually been a number of pretty good studies that just do not agree with the mainstream narrative

00:02:01.880 always follow the advice of the medical experts as acknowledged by the alphabet corporation

00:02:10.660 and their subsidiaries would you like to know more hello everyone we're super excited to be joined

00:02:16.240 today by david ragsdale he is the ceo of replatform and he's also the chief operating officer of defeat

00:02:24.120 operations director operations director basically basically but yeah you do so you do ops and defeat

00:02:30.740 the mandates and we we met you as you were organizing the replatform conference which is going to be

00:02:36.660 happening in vegas in april well no in march march of next year of 2024 we're super excited for that

00:02:43.480 because we're we're intrigued like we we have been through all these different angles approaching

00:02:48.820 different like sort of alternative economies alternative cultures all like ways around the

00:02:55.040 mainstream because of course the pandemic had sort of been like a crisis of faith moment that that

00:03:00.920 was like the death knell on top of i think the crisis of faith that happened in 2016 so like when trump was

00:03:07.120 first elected i think a lot of people were like wait a second like i was prompt like it was it was it

00:03:12.500 was very clear that like hillary clinton was going to win and that things were going to be a certain way

00:03:17.940 and then like that completely went off the rails and then and then also like there was just this crisis

00:03:23.120 of faith in the media after that and then of course with the pandemic that happened again it's like wait you

00:03:27.900 told us that masks weren't important and then he told us that they were important and then it turned

00:03:31.280 out that they didn't do anything at all unless they were fitted in 95s so anyway we feel like this has

00:03:36.720 been a growing movement but also it's so fragmented it's so confusing i don't like people know where to

00:03:41.060 go so we really want to talk about that i mean among other things so before we go further i do want to i

00:03:46.100 mean i think the history of the conference is also really useful to our audience in understanding what

00:03:50.540 it's about so it was originally the when you reached out to us about it the alternative economies

00:03:55.040 or parallel economies with the idea being that as this sort of memetic virus that we talk about

00:04:01.520 it's much more than wokeism it's like this broad thing that's in almost every major company right now

00:04:05.860 becomes wider if you are immune to it the system spits you out and makes it very hard to work

00:04:11.680 and so the primary way to compete with the system is through parallel economies or parallel information

00:04:18.760 networks or parallel all sorts of things like this and then as the conference evolved sort of the way

00:04:24.900 that i describe it to people when i pitch it to people is i'm like it's trying to become like a

00:04:30.640 what's the name i'm looking here like comic-con except instead of launching marvel movies it's where

00:04:36.360 they launch the movies that the mainstream media is going to freak out about yeah so originally so

00:04:43.420 when we were making defeat the mandates our first rally at the lincoln memorial in january of 2021

00:04:50.180 we were debanked right and that was sort of a debanked debate talk about that so we we actually

00:04:59.940 had good relations with the biden administration they approved our our permit to be on the lincoln

00:05:07.420 memorial within hours and i think they were probably bending over backwards because the mandates were

00:05:13.900 really heavy and hot at that time obviously so they were probably trying to create a space you know

00:05:19.960 what i mean yeah and so we had no problem with the federal government they were you know like here

00:05:25.860 take the lincoln memorial and we'll give you this and we'll give you that so it was pretty easy to

00:05:32.940 physically organize defeat the mandates and remember we did it a year after that january 2021 incident

00:05:40.700 so we were nervous because we were aiming for january 2022 and we're like oh is this going to be a

00:05:47.680 problem and it turned out not to be but it was apparently a problem and i won't go into details

00:05:54.120 or name names with our bank and so we were debanked and we were obviously doing nothing illegal nothing

00:05:59.360 hateful nothing violent we had democrats republicans independents but we lost our banking we also lost a

00:06:06.160 bunch of b2b services our mass email you know so we were always okay wait did someone try to cancel you

00:06:15.100 was this like someone just spamming yeah we were we were deplatformed and it wasn't just like a social

00:06:20.760 media thing a lot of different b2b services that you know my background i work at live nation on the

00:06:27.660 festivals team you use when you're making an event you use a lot of these services especially now and

00:06:35.420 this is something that that i've increasingly noticed when i talk to people where they've genuinely been

00:06:41.400 removed from all the platforms they're removed from like major platforms one of the the core reasons

00:06:47.100 is they're talking about i guess what i'll call for this podcast so we don't get in trouble it was during

00:06:51.480 the special case here the the the big k and everyone during that period is is is where there was a huge

00:07:00.080 waves of debanking deplatforming everything like that in demonstrated to was the people in positions of

00:07:08.420 power was in our society when they felt that they could and whenever they tried to ban somebody

00:07:13.760 with anything like this they're like we're saving lives so that's what they'll always go to is

00:07:17.420 we're saving lives we're saving lives this is when they say oh this person's being you know whatever

00:07:22.280 ex-phobic they'll say they're inciting you know attacks against the person they're inciting whatever

00:07:27.900 but the evidence for that has always been fairly slim historically speaking november 20th was the

00:07:33.900 transgender day of remembrance where we're supposed to remember the tragic deaths of trans people

00:07:38.540 the white house press secretary gave us a hard number of this year's trans victims in the united states

00:07:43.620 today on transgender day of remembrance we grieve the 26 transgender americans who were killed

00:07:50.500 this year year after year we see that these victims are disproportionately black women and women of

00:07:58.380 color no one should face violence live in fear or be discriminated against simply for being

00:08:06.220 themselves yeah uh 26 in a nation of 330 million people where approximately one percent of them are

00:08:13.220 trans 26 of them were murder victims that's a murder rate of 0.0007 percent considering that in

00:08:21.980 2022 there were approximately 21 000 homicide cases in the states with that 330 million population the

00:08:28.480 napkin math comes out to the general murder rate of america being i think 0.006 percent these are both

00:08:34.880 incredibly tiny so literally who cares but trans people do seem to have a much smaller chance of 1.00

00:08:39.880 being murdered rachel richards a conservative trans youtuber put out a video titled who's killing black 0.73

00:08:45.340 transgender woman in it she points out that black trans women comprise 66 percent of the 202 cases of

00:08:51.480 fatal violence against trans people in the united states from 2013 to 2020 the article she quotes

00:08:57.420 ties the surge of black trans victimization to the rise of white supremacy and the far right in america

00:09:03.620 but rachel digs up the individual cases and discovers the vast majority of the murderers of

00:09:08.780 these black trans women are actually black men all that being said the williams institute did state that

00:09:14.860 trans people are four times more likely than cis people to experience violent victimization not 0.98

00:09:20.340 including murder like rape sexual assault or aggravated assault the numbers are 86.2 trans

00:09:26.280 victimizations per 1 000 people versus 21.7 cis victimizations and so as as a result of not

00:09:33.440 really having evidence that these people are actually inciting violence when special k happened

00:09:38.060 everyone then was in this movement internally felt like now we can actually say they're killing

00:09:45.200 people now we can actually say that this is leading and so we saw the way that they planned to act

00:09:52.360 always as soon as they felt they had the power to act in that way which was complete banning of people

00:09:59.600 from any sort of communication network any sort of mainstream service i mean we saw this was the

00:10:05.020 trucker protest as well in canada where they also have more control and the government's more controlled

00:10:10.320 by the actual commie commies where they were debanking people who were associated with the

00:10:16.720 trucker protest they were banning them from all media appearances and stuff like that and i think that

00:10:22.740 this is where for people like us who may have been more towards like fence sitters who may have been i think

00:10:29.540 generally people look at us and they're like your politics feels a little moderate and and why are

00:10:35.300 you so hard on the right side now and it is because we saw what the left did the moment they felt like

00:10:42.900 they had a little bit of authority and they went just full totalitarian um and and we are moving like

00:10:50.980 if people think well this was a one-time thing if you look at what they're saying they want these special

00:10:58.520 powers but they want them all the time for anything they declare to be a potential issue and they can

00:11:05.700 declare anything to be a potential issue really as long as they can claim it's hurting people in some

00:11:10.040 way and so this puts us in a position where it's like we are genuinely beginning to move to an

00:11:18.360 autocratic framework without full state control which is really fascinating that they are able to

00:11:24.580 because they have so many operatives in the major banks in the major you know social media platforms

00:11:30.620 in the major distributors in the major news sites they can say let's throttle this individual even

00:11:38.060 without doing it directly from the perspective of the government which is fascinating for me because

00:11:43.480 we haven't seen this form of fascism before yeah so i mean and to give you to go back to one of your

00:11:50.820 earlier questions and bring it in so we really have three differing groups of people right and so where

00:11:58.400 i see that this started is this actually started with social conservatives during the gay marriage

00:12:04.680 debate so you had prop eight right and a majority of californians in november of 2008 voted for obama by

00:12:13.760 something like 20 points and also voted against gay marriage and yet the media and corporations were

00:12:21.640 able to turn that so if california's voting a majority on election day to support traditional marriage as

00:12:30.580 opposed to gay marriage it's not an extreme opinion but what happened is the media and more frightening

00:12:38.760 corporations like tim cook at apple they turned that majority into a fringe minority even though they

00:12:48.000 were the majority they said we don't want anyone who voted for prop eight to be an apple customer

00:12:53.820 then what you had is the state of california kamala harris and as attorney general a few years later

00:13:02.020 when they were working the case in courts to overturn it they released anyone who had donated

00:13:07.600 to prop eight and people started getting fired up and down the state so if you had if you were not even

00:13:14.740 if you were a mormon if you were a catholic they started targeting businesses that were owned by people

00:13:20.440 who donate and it was harassment legal harassment and this was at the behest of the state of california

00:13:27.700 and these corporations and these activist groups but no one talked about it at the time was happening

00:13:32.860 you know people were like brendan ike is a great example he lost his job because he his company because

00:13:38.700 he had donated to prop eight but because it was gay marriage and no one really wanted to get on the 1.00

00:13:44.680 wrong side of that this whole wave of cancellations happened pre-woke right pre-fergus

00:13:51.560 so i'm hearing about this is wild this is no i mean look it up brendan ike he's probably the most

00:13:56.720 famous example someone who got canceled because of donating to prop eight and no one said anything

00:14:01.380 and and even the conservatives kept quiet about it no one it was not like hey this is you know so

00:14:06.460 when people talk about like woke and cancellation in ferguson my take on that is what we saw like

00:14:14.020 the wokeness was it was very simply black democrats saying we want that same thing that to the democrat 0.53

00:14:22.480 liberal establishment that you had just given the lgbt movement we want that we're a loyal constituency

00:14:29.760 of the democrat party and we want that same thumb on the scale that same cancellation power

00:14:37.420 that you just gave to lgbt americans we deserve that too so this wokeness it had been in the background

00:14:47.640 for many years because you know there had been a real incarceration explosion among black male youth

00:14:57.540 but democrats ignored it ignored it ignored it and finally after the whole gay marriage thing

00:15:02.920 black democrats were like no you've just done this for another important group of yours you're now going

00:15:09.780 to do it for us and so that's where we saw wokeness really explode on a lot of the racial issues but the 0.95

00:15:17.160 the beginning of that was really directed towards social conservatives so that's a very long answer

00:15:22.360 to say that's one of our core groups and they are actually the most patient they're the most calm

00:15:28.600 because they've been in this for a while they've been denigrated hated on canceled for decades now

00:15:37.260 and so our social conservative people in our movement are very patient people and they're not

00:15:43.480 very surprised by stuff right they're used to it they're used to being against the world and and and

00:15:50.000 it sort of aligns with a lot of their theology this world is not our home right then we have another

00:15:57.360 group of people like your libertarians your ron paul types your crypto types and they've sort of since

00:16:04.280 the great financial recession of 2008 and all that stuff they've been working on their alt finance

00:16:11.920 crypto other things like that and then the third big group are democrats right your robert kennedy

00:16:19.700 democrats ah okay big corporations are evil big pharma is especially evil i remember what big tobacco did in

00:16:28.600 the 70s and 80s and we're a democrat but then they this group of people like your health freedom and

00:16:36.140 hippic pharma people they were buying into what the media was saying about the other groups about the

00:16:42.720 libertarians about social conservatives but what we and and a lot of them when trump got elected

00:16:49.240 believed a lot of the stuff that the media and corporations were telling them about trump right

00:16:55.120 but what happened is there was a convergence when the 2020 medical thing yeah i know you're on youtube

00:17:03.600 so i want to be very careful i'll call it you know the medical i like that especially when special k

00:17:10.540 happened yeah yeah so when that happened there was a real convergence of these groups and especially

00:17:17.820 when the mandate started coming down and that really confused a lot of people in the health freedom

00:17:23.080 movement because they had thought well it will be okay for me not to take this inter medical intervention

00:17:31.380 that's experimental because trump did it so i'll be fine as it turned out the establishment turned on a

00:17:39.360 dime and then started making them the enemy so a lot of these people who had never been really an enemy

00:17:46.980 of the establishment in a way even though they were very anti big pharma now all of a sudden found

00:17:53.060 themselves being in the same boat that social conservatives had been in for a very long time

00:17:59.100 to be clear you know a lot of these people are like hippie types like like these are traditional

00:18:03.680 and and i think you know the the story that you're saying here really rings true for me as individuals who

00:18:09.700 on the outside like i do not think that the government should be legislating against gay marriage like i would 1.00

00:18:15.680 you know stand that i think that it is wrong and it was a big shift in history the idea of let's begin

00:18:24.800 to fire people let's begin to target people's livelihood for their political beliefs and for what if you have

00:18:32.480 pointed out is a mainstream political belief it was obama's belief on election day of 20 2008 obama

00:18:40.320 he didn't make his turn until right before the 2012 election right so it was but it was a but he was

00:18:47.060 obviously lying about it and everyone knew that he was obviously like sure i'll go to saddleback church

00:18:53.460 and to rick warren and tell him this but everyone know everyone really knows i'm lying and so it was even

00:19:00.660 worse than that because to get elected they would say i have this position but really anyone who

00:19:10.260 actually does hold that position needs to be targeted and again whatever your views on gay

00:19:15.180 marriage are right just like whatever your views on this medical intervention are right it's the fact

00:19:21.700 that government and corporations and the media colluded to cancel people to remove their livelihoods from

00:19:29.080 them so i'm gonna push back here i don't think obama was lying i i think that the the right has made

00:19:35.240 the mistake of buying into the left's propaganda and they fundamentally do not understand how homophobic

00:19:42.220 and how racist the left is and has always been and that they believe this media narrative of homophobic

00:19:50.200 racist right non-homophobic non-racist left and so they get confused when they look at the record and

00:19:57.500 seeing things like obama standing against gay marriage i believe that marriage is between a man

00:20:02.860 and a woman with respect to gay marriage i i do not support uh gay marriage in fact depending on how

00:20:10.280 you look at it now you could split things a few ways here trump was the first u.s president to say

00:20:17.340 that he supported gay marriage before becoming president that said he also at times said he didn't

00:20:24.800 support gay marriage before becoming elected but he was the first to ever say that he did support it

00:20:28.820 some of the time and they're like wait that that doesn't ring with what i have been told and it is

00:20:34.680 because the media establishment is what is steering a lot of this and it is what is steering a lot of

00:20:40.540 these waves in a way that is incongruous was where the winds are actually blowing within each political

00:20:47.080 party what it is is you have a a fascist faction and a non-fascist faction now a faction that thinks

00:20:54.400 that it should be able to control what people think and and and exercise any political will it wants to

00:21:01.320 if people are not thinking and acting like members of their cultural group which is where i think things

00:21:06.860 have stepped over the lines it was black lives matter i actually don't know if it was tied to the the

00:21:11.780 thing that happened with the lgbt movement at all i i think that they had begun to build up a culture

00:21:17.520 where it was okay to target people in this way like this just became normalized this is what we do to

00:21:23.820 people we hate this is you know people we dislike we try to ruin their income streams and then they

00:21:29.780 begin to target that within this this movement and the media had begun to become so far left even like

00:21:38.180 mainstream conservative media outlets that it had gotten used to just like lying or covering up

00:21:44.520 you know the mostly peaceful protest line right like oh here's the mostly peaceful protest and in in

00:21:51.140 they had done this as you had said with the other movement and then they naturally did it with this

00:21:55.440 movement because they just got so used to how much power they had and they got so used to the belief

00:22:00.820 within the leftist media that there is a rightist media that's opposing them and that illusion

00:22:06.560 i think has made them act in a way that is more totalitarian than they would if they actually

00:22:14.660 tried to find this rightist media they're aware of and they realize that no this rightist media is

00:22:20.300 actually like mostly banned from social platforms now and there really are not two sides to the

00:22:25.840 spectrum there's this one side that controls most of the companies in the country most of the

00:22:30.940 political apparatus in the country most of the media organizations in this country and then there's

00:22:34.640 another side which is almost entirely silenced at this point that's interesting i look at you know

00:22:41.140 i look i'm obviously very interested or influenced by evala and carlisle and you know i tend to think

00:22:48.980 everything just is post hoc justification for whatever you're you know you have a political formula and

00:22:55.540 you know my background i did classics and economics at claremont so i tend to look at these things like

00:23:02.360 more like you know we've essentially been living under like a wig patronage system since queen anne's 0.92

00:23:10.200 time elaborate and so it's it's just like you know if you look at like google the wig ascendancy

00:23:16.820 and realize that we've essentially been living under that for several hundred years elaborate go deep i

00:23:22.940 want to hear conspiracy theories i want to hear you know it just goes back to patronage and it just goes

00:23:28.160 back to and if you look at conserve western conservatism it's just always been a a a a waiting room for

00:23:40.880 losers and it's where anyone who the controlling liberal right it's and it's all factional management

00:23:49.440 for the establishment so the liberal establishment which everyone in an english-speaking country essentially 0.99

00:23:56.720 lives in and most western countries since world war ii live in too there's always going to be a loser and

00:24:02.860 so you just be like okay loser you're now called a conservative go hang out there that's fascinating

00:24:08.340 i gotta push back strong here and i think this is true and it's backed by the evidence which is if you 0.92

00:24:15.620 look even just 25 years ago the conservative party had the large corporations on its side it was the party

00:24:23.780 of money it was a party of success the party of people who had been economically successful

00:24:28.720 and the large uh corporate institutions whereas the progressive institution had the academic

00:24:33.620 institutions and the bureaucratic institutions what has changed is that now they're all on one side do

00:24:38.640 you disagree with that i do yeah so if you go back i mean if you go back even you can go back to the

00:24:43.340 80s you can go back to the 70s you can go back to the 60s 50s for right the american corporations have

00:24:50.100 always been incredibly progressive institutions right a lot of american corporations were even

00:24:55.800 it goes so far as to say we're even extremely supportive in many ways of the bolshevik revolution

00:25:02.900 and lenin and stalin and trying to get in contracts with their i know we only hear about you know what ibm did

00:25:10.400 in germany in the mid-century but more corporations were involved in the soviet union not only that but

00:25:16.760 even if you go back to like let's go back to reagan's days what you'll see is yeah of course

00:25:21.180 reagan was a democrat and he was a liberal in many ways right most ways and he was not about he didn't

00:25:30.180 reform welfare he didn't even cut discretionary spending he was a supply setter and all that the

00:25:36.420 reagan revolution and even thatcher was a liberal their whole point and they talked like oh we need

00:25:42.500 to reduce the size of state none of that happened and they didn't actually believe in it their only

00:25:47.080 their only mission in life was hey the way to pay for this is we cut taxes that was their only formula

00:25:54.520 which is we actually like this big welfare as do corporations right corporations love the great

00:26:01.120 society corporations all they didn't like were the high taxes and so in what you when you saw

00:26:07.440 corporations becoming close and they were never close on the social issues even in the 80s corporations

00:26:13.960 were donating to planned parenthood and going in the newspapers and saying well i wish the republican

00:26:19.500 parties was a little more you know liberal socially fiscally conservative right they were they were trying

00:26:27.060 to spin that for decades and you know this whole notion that these corporations it is true that these

00:26:35.680 corporations have been getting increasing permission right to talk about things that they wouldn't

00:26:43.480 normally have talked about but that's not a function necessarily of their politics it's a function of the

00:26:51.560 taboo going away right so there's no longer a taboo for corporations to tell customers if you support

00:27:01.480 this don't you dare come to my shop and that's what apple that's really interesting yeah this is a new

00:27:07.540 thing yeah right that's what jim cook said he said if you support this don't come to my shop and the way

00:27:13.200 that this comes back to like this parallel or freedom economy and we use both words interchangeably

00:27:21.060 frankly a lot of people haven't heard the word parallel economy and that tends to be an elite

00:27:26.940 word and what we're doing at our trade show and convention is we're bringing together what you

00:27:35.760 might call like the normies in our three different groups yeah with some of the elites some of the

00:27:43.420 great thinkers some of the doers and we're trying to see what happens if we bring them together

00:27:48.400 right and we think a lot of joyful things are going to happen a lot of innovation and there's going to

00:27:53.280 be some good feedback on both sides right because i think one of the problems in our anti-establishment

00:27:59.620 movements is there's not always the best feedback loop between what our elites and we have our own elites

00:28:08.520 right what we're doing what we're saying what we're messaging and then and then what the base what what

00:28:18.660 it is that they actually need what it is that they're struggling with right so that's what we're trying to do

00:28:24.500 because we want to build like the parallel economy can be grifty right like if i see blood light

00:28:32.620 i'm going to be like oh okay i'm going to buy a bunch of unnamed beer at wholesale and i'm going

00:28:40.200 to buy a sticker that says not woke and i'm going to slap it on that beer i'm going to get on twitter

00:28:45.560 and i'm going to try to push it and and people are going to be like oh what about that non-woke beer

00:28:50.200 but it's like i don't know the quality i don't know the price i don't know where it came from

00:28:54.140 and that's a little grifty the our parallel economy has to be more than just like the veneer of

00:29:01.200 anti-woke marketing yeah yes well i definitely see this i mean i think this is what we saw was

00:29:06.360 like true social and stuff like that was the idea of it's an exclusionary marketplace rather than

00:29:12.820 like we'll we'll just create a marketplace for the people who have been kicked out of the other

00:29:16.780 marketplace and if you look at what we're trying to do as a collins institute we've taken a very

00:29:20.520 different approach when we launch it which is we want to create an educational system that is not

00:29:25.800 for people who are afraid to send their kids to the public school but that is inarguably better 0.79

00:29:30.260 than these existing institutions and i think that that's easier to do than the grifters would have 1.00

00:29:36.680 you believe because the existing institutions have become so racked with ideological purity wardens

00:29:43.720 and with bureaucratic bloat that it should not be difficult to create a product that out competes

00:29:50.960 them right you just have to really approach it that way and yeah and this is something that i like

00:29:57.160 that you're going into this conference fielding for and vetting for yeah and we have two so there are

00:30:06.120 two a little bit competing models of the parallel economy and we are not deciding on which one we're

00:30:13.020 going to feature both and it's based on something you said there's a access model where we want to

00:30:19.620 build like and i hate to use this because i've just attacked the whole wig model but it's called the

00:30:25.360 classical liberal model right where you're like hey i just want to buy a pair of jeans stop talking

00:30:32.540 to me about abortion or about mandates just sell me the stupid jeans right that's one model of the 1.00

00:30:39.680 parallel economy so it would be like access to all it's not promoting any values it's decentralized 0.98

00:30:46.740 usually it's not neutral but it doesn't promote anything more than the product itself right that's

00:30:55.360 one model there's also a second model which is very much values aligned where you're saying and and

00:31:02.240 this works better for some products and others for example a pro-life diaper company right the

00:31:08.120 ceo of public square michael seifert i'm not pronouncing it that way his wife came out with this

00:31:14.220 pro-life diaper company now to me a values that makes sense right that values alignment for that

00:31:23.120 product makes sense to me right it doesn't always make sense but on some things you have people

00:31:31.280 often social conservatives but not all we also see this in the health freedom movement where if you

00:31:38.820 did not take that intervention and you were attacked for it you are probably more likely to want to

00:31:47.000 purchase health goods and services from people who share your values on that issue right but on other

00:31:57.220 things like maybe some tech things and some financial things maybe you don't want values aligned you

00:32:04.680 actually want products or goods or services where it's all about neutrality of access right it's a

00:32:12.320 mixed bag and there's a lot of debate in the parallel economy about that and we're not taking a side on

00:32:20.080 that we're going to have people from both sides and there's probably going to be a lot of heated

00:32:23.960 discussion about it at the convention which makes it way more fun so yeah so one thing i'm actually

00:32:30.680 curious about when it comes to like people being shoved out of the the mainstream economy and sort

00:32:37.980 of forced into parallel economies personally i've only encountered two people who've told me about

00:32:44.440 how it's it's been and in each case they were specifically targeted by either one group or one person

00:32:52.040 and that one group or one person is the one responsible for like shopping them around and basically

00:32:57.700 sending this like form letter to all of their banks every new employer like every existing employer

00:33:02.960 you know this person did this this and this like these crimes against our culture you know how dare

00:33:07.860 you have them with you you must remove them and for example like well one of these people preempts

00:33:14.080 this and lets every new employer or contractor like no like you're going to get this letter from

00:33:18.400 this person just heads up and whereas like this other person another person we know this happened to just

00:33:23.320 like literally just removed himself so my impression is that often like it's this really weird situation

00:33:29.340 where like everyone on the receiving end of these messages who's part of woke or mainstream culture

00:33:34.640 is just going to comply but it's actually a very small number of people or actors in the world that

00:33:40.720 like will will take the time to remove these people when you got unbaked go broke like it's not

00:33:46.500 actually a big audience that they're appealing to it's just the perception of a big audience

00:33:50.200 which is that people who don't have jobs or are friends or other things going on have more time

00:33:56.460 to make a stink online however are you seeing this happen in different ways because i also think that

00:34:01.600 people should know a little bit more about like the mechanics of how this happens because i think this

00:34:05.780 is going to happen to more and more people people should know the signs to look out for know how to

00:34:09.740 preempt it or what to expect when you were unbanked for the lincoln memorial rally do you think it was one

00:34:17.140 group do you know who it was or do you think that the impetus actually came from banks and other

00:34:22.740 providers directly like from within them that's a good question so we were definitely the target of

00:34:31.700 i i you know i'm i think we were in the twitter files as defeat the mandates we were suspended several

00:34:39.080 times from under the old regime on twitter we were it was funny we it's a really mixed bag because i do

00:34:48.540 feel that on the one hand we were targeted by a lot of these twitter um covet doctors right where they got

00:34:58.380 a lot of prominence and they got a lot of very suspicious amplification and i'll just say that

00:35:04.580 during the 2020 medical global emergency right and so we were definitely targeted by them but and i

00:35:13.140 will say this and we weren't given a fair shake by the major media but in their own way i think we did

00:35:22.460 get a little bit lucky in that defeat we we presented ourselves in such a way as to make it very

00:35:31.540 difficult for like a new york times reporter to just hate on us like in everything we did we put like

00:35:38.720 everything like we have people from all parties we have people from all vaccination status we have

00:35:43.720 people from you know we we did do i think a good job of making it hard to be hated on and so

00:35:55.140 we got a lot of backhanded positive coverage from like the media which is odd right so yeah and this

00:36:05.240 so it's hard to say like and as a group we weren't targeted by like certain groups that now go around

00:36:15.120 telling elon they're targeting him we've never been targeted in that way but we did get debate so and

00:36:22.620 we weren't really told why and for us because of the period of time we were in we didn't have the

00:36:30.060 energy to like we just had to find a new bank we just had to we just had to roll with it and it's

00:36:36.280 just one of those things that we're like okay we're gonna note that that happened and again when we were

00:36:41.720 making we also produced the covet litigation conferences and when we did that a couple of

00:36:47.680 things happened as well with like these b2b services where we couldn't use like the best

00:36:53.780 option because we just because of the name of our conference we get kicked off like okay so this is

00:37:02.040 a lot of what you encountered too is what one could argue is like keyword based or trigger word based

00:37:07.940 de-platforming this is really fascinating to me as well because one thing i keep wondering is when

00:37:13.260 are we going to be able to talk about like what the science has actually said about special k's

00:37:17.180 post special k good news good news so they know there is there's always a lag right and so the google

00:37:25.340 gods who who control a lot of what we can talk about on your show on this channel there's probably

00:37:32.700 going to be a lag but today in the journal of medical ethics there was this peer-reviewed paper and

00:37:39.260 i'll send it to you by these six dutch researchers that looked into the scapegoating

00:37:44.880 of people who did not take the interventions and their conclusions were it was misinformation

00:37:51.680 to scapegoat them because the pandemic risks were overstated and the efficacy of the intervention

00:38:00.660 was also overstated yeah number two the media created this misinformation three the disinformation

00:38:10.520 is incredibly harmful and the fourth thing they looked at who was doing the scapegoating

00:38:16.740 and by and large it was liberals and they looked at it by ideology and that people on the right were

00:38:25.220 not scapegoating even if they had had the intervention they refused to scapegoat but

00:38:31.020 liberals were the ones who were doing that so i you know we have a lot of liberals in our movement

00:38:36.860 and it's been very difficult i think for them and i feel for them but there's something about

00:38:43.500 this like all-encompassing liberalism that we are told we live under and it doesn't really appear to

00:38:55.420 be the thing itself well it's interesting you say that i'm actually interested to see if this video

00:38:59.580 gets flagged some way or something like that because i don't know if we're allowed to say this

00:39:03.900 yet like i i genuinely don't know that's not the only study that shows that we were there it's actually

00:39:08.320 been a number of pretty good studies that just do not agree with the mainstream narrative and they

00:39:14.440 have been put out in mainstream publications like mainstream scientific publications but like for a

00:39:20.380 lot of this stuff like i don't know like we know a lot of stuff about special k that even isn't in

00:39:25.080 the media that one day i do want to be able to share because we have a lot of friends who are very

00:39:31.100 well connected in large pharmaceutical companies and very well connected in the testing that was being

00:39:35.780 done on this one of our best friends actually runs the mask lab at cambridge um or is it oxford i

00:39:41.000 don't know one of the one of these places it was done yeah well what if we say this always follow

00:39:45.860 the advice of the medical experts as acknowledged by the alphabet corporation and their subsidiaries

00:39:54.900 i agree yes i think that is what we need to do tells you to do well they're very good at determining

00:40:00.700 what's true and what's not true and you know how i know that they're good at determining this

00:40:04.020 because when they determine something's not true people stop saying it so why would that happen if

00:40:09.860 they weren't good at determining what's true and what's not true so no another thing that's really

00:40:14.220 interesting is you know you talk about progressive and i think we could have been thought of as

00:40:19.020 traditionally fairly progressive minded in a lot of our belief systems like you know i'm really pro

00:40:24.360 gay marriage i do not think that that the government should be getting involved in this but then i look

00:40:29.020 at where things have gone and like special k was the moment where i was like okay you guys i've sort

00:40:33.700 of lost track you're going like full totalitarian and then recently you know we've been talking to

00:40:39.260 our friends who are on the fence recently and they're like wait like they're just like pro hamas now

00:40:44.880 like are we are we fucking serious like i did not think they had gotten just like out there super 0.90

00:40:51.240 villain comically like at the at the front level like just evil evil like they're doing like pro 0.54

00:40:57.280 hamas protests where they're not like they're not like let's find peace yeah it's like yeah hamas is 0.88

00:41:03.100 in the right these people are colonizers let's kill them all um and i think for a lot of people that was 0.96

00:41:09.680 really shocking because they didn't realize you know and then there was the and a lot of people 1.00

00:41:13.820 um i i want to be clear i i think you know black people in american society do not get a fair shake 0.90

00:41:19.780 i i think that the police violence against these communities is horrible but i also think that the

00:41:24.560 statistics show that if you look at the black people in these 1.00

00:41:27.280 communities where this violence is taking place they do not think the solution the majority is to

00:41:32.100 defund police this is mostly a white movement and we were joking about having an episode where the

00:41:37.200 title was why do criminals want to defund the police but it's a problem because a lot of these

00:41:42.840 people who are who are pushing for this they have an antagonistic view towards police because

00:41:48.340 police have primarily and this is what's going to be the case if you are a middle or upper class

00:41:53.200 white person who regularly breaks you know laws in regards to things like drugs and stuff like that

00:41:58.920 your view and your relationship to the police is going to be primarily antagonistic whereas it's

00:42:04.220 often not in these poorer communities where they have in part an antagonistic relationship with the

00:42:11.040 police because the police do treat these communities unfairly but they also can reduce crime in these

00:42:16.160 communities and stuff like that and improve the the daily lives of citizens and so this is this is

00:42:21.980 i think for a lot of people they're like okay so like the criminals it's like a group of criminals who

00:42:27.220 want to defund the police and who are pro hamas and who when they gain the littlest bit of power 0.99

00:42:33.380 immediately started firing and deep banking like everyone who disagreed with them like am i really still

00:42:39.960 on the good guy side and i think that it's become increasingly unambiguous not that the republicans

00:42:46.360 are good guys at all but they're not like comically evil anymore and i think there were times in american

00:42:52.980 history where they were you know i i think if you look at like actions we took in in south america you

00:42:58.440 know under some republican leadership i think that that was pretty comically evil stuff that was done um

00:43:03.200 but no so on that front i actually have a question here for both of you yeah because you know there has

00:43:07.160 been this huge crisis of faith in government and institutions etc but this is like definitely not

00:43:12.860 the first time that government and institutions have have lied to us either knowingly or just not

00:43:19.700 really knowing what they were doing at the time and like did the best they could but misrepresented

00:43:23.500 things to the people but there wasn't the same like crisis of faith of like oh my gosh i i i can't trust

00:43:30.360 this anymore like for example at the university where malcolm went for undergrad in saint andrews like still

00:43:35.520 some of the old houses you can see metal has been clipped off of of like the fences outside old

00:43:40.700 houses and this was part of where we assume that this was cut off at a time when during world war ii

00:43:46.860 winston churchill had encouraged citizens to contribute metal like pots pans pieces of their fences for use in

00:43:54.120 the war effort and where did that go it was all dumped it wasn't actually used but winston churchill

00:43:59.180 had sort of decided like we need to give people an ability to like feel like they're contributing

00:44:04.080 well he also very famously did that because he wanted to punish stanley baldwin who had been the

00:44:11.440 prime minute two prime ministers before him and so he ruined his gates on purpose i'm gonna get i'm

00:44:18.100 gonna get baldwin's gates because baldwin was like excessively proud of the gates to his country house or

00:44:24.840 something oh my god was not you know there's a there's another side of churchill that's been a

00:44:31.480 hundred years gonna come out churchill wanted to get baldwin's gates the only way to do that was to

00:44:36.200 get everyone to do this nonsense thing where like oh we're gonna do these clippings and that's somehow

00:44:41.640 gonna help it was i wouldn't yeah i well i but see that's things but then like after that there wasn't

00:44:48.040 this whole like oh we can never trust the government again nobody hears the thing churchill was fighting

00:44:52.720 against actual nazis who were committing an actual genocide progressives now are like they have learned

00:44:59.740 they can just call anyone they disagree with a nazi while they are literally supporting a group that

00:45:06.480 stated aim is genocide of the same people the nazis tried to genocide wait wait i know i get that but

00:45:13.640 like let's talk about the great health scarer of the year 2020 like i think that a lot of the initial

00:45:19.480 like mandates and orders that were released were were like in good faith people were panicking they're

00:45:24.460 just like you know don't wear the mask you wear them like whatever like they just didn't know yet

00:45:28.860 and they were making a lot of decisions and not thinking through things fully and running around

00:45:32.940 like chickens with their heads cut off like this wasn't all in bad faith like i you know i'm definitely

00:45:36.600 going to you know do this to hurt these people no it wasn't bad faith but it was i have a little bit

00:45:41.420 of power now this is how i act when i feel i have a moral license to do all of the things i always

00:45:47.820 felt like doing bush did this to an extent after 9-11 so you think well but nobody know like back to

00:45:53.540 the churchill example there were social indulgence in that too like personal indulgence in that so

00:45:57.500 what's the difference they were fighting literal nazis like what is confusing about fighting nazis

00:46:05.800 nazis are there is no way that you can like remedy nazis there's no way if it's fighting nazis but

00:46:13.580 also like satisfying a personal agenda is that the worst thing in the entire world by the way you've

00:46:19.220 you've fallen off you i know i don't know my camera died for a second i'm going to replug it

00:46:23.840 i think i think i think like big picture i think i think our system is coming to itself by date and i

00:46:35.940 think people are realizing that and i think if you had to give a name to a system that we've lived under

00:46:43.040 for a long time we would have to call it liberalism and i think that what people are trying to do is

00:46:52.340 figure out what's going to come next and i think that people don't necessarily should for example

00:46:58.400 even within replatform the health free movement we have people who are like yeah you know i i'm allies

00:47:05.780 with social conservatives i want to build tools with them to build some new thing but i don't

00:47:12.320 necessarily want to live in the same new thing as them right and so it's like are we building out

00:47:19.340 these intentional communities or economies to accommodate what we think will be our tribe

00:47:27.900 so this is this is something i really want to elaborate on something you're talking about here

00:47:31.740 i think if you take all the politics out of this if you take all of this out of this and you just

00:47:36.040 look at for example the cost it takes to do simple things there's this great thing recently we're like

00:47:41.700 repainting the golden gate bridge and inflation adjusted dollars cost like

00:47:46.460 eight times more than building it okay i remembered this story really wrong it was

00:47:51.220 that putting nets under the golden gate bridge cost almost as much as building the golden great bridge

00:47:56.660 and here is a great video analyzing the truth of this report the u.s department of transportation

00:48:02.720 publishes a golden gate bridge fact sheet and it says that the golden gate bridge was constructed

00:48:08.780 using a 35 million dollar bond construction began in 1933 and was completed in 37 it was completed ahead of schedule

00:48:19.240 and 1.3 million dollars under budget so 33.7 which is 1.3 less than the 35 million dollar bond

00:48:29.240 that they raised from 1933 when they raised this bond adjusted for inflation to today's dollars is about

00:48:36.920 800 million dollars so we're pretty close to the tweets estimate and it seems like the time it took to

00:48:44.180 construct the bridge is right it took about four years now let's look at the nets reporting from a local

00:48:51.200 news source sf gate in the year 2008 says that the city government approved the nets and they expected the

00:48:59.240 netting to cost between 40 and 50 million dollars when they approved it reporting in the la times says that

00:49:06.860 the netting could cost up to 400 million dollars as of late last year and a local news article published

00:49:15.380 yesterday says that the net is currently 80 percent complete and on track to finish around this year

00:49:22.440 so the time estimate for the nets under the bridge is about right it started in 18 and it will hopefully

00:49:31.440 fingers crossed finished by the end of 23 the cost estimate is a possible cost the la times article

00:49:39.600 goes on to explain that the exact cost is going to be determined by a lawsuit that is currently just

00:49:45.900 getting started so who knows maybe it'll even be worse it is becoming and and this is something we have

00:49:52.640 the pragmatist guide on governance where we talk about the history of governance we talk about governance

00:49:56.800 theory and one of the things that we point out is that the longer and larger governments have been alive

00:50:02.280 similar to a long-lived or very large animal it will have cancers that form within it these are

00:50:08.160 parts of it that just are focused on self-replication and getting as much resources as they can get for

00:50:14.720 self-replication within our existing governance system these cancers are just riddling the entity

00:50:20.800 in biology the way that we get rid of this problem is we die and we have kids like it's a great system

00:50:30.320 it's beautiful you know you don't need to stay healthy forever if you can die and have kids and i think that

00:50:36.400 if you just project forwards cost increases whether it's on building things whether it's on infrastructure

00:50:42.700 whether it's on like academic systems like research if you look at the amount of money it costs per like

00:50:48.380 research thing it has gone up astronomically i'm talking like 200 times or something and then you

00:50:54.220 look at a lot of the things our society revolves around like our power plants right like a lot of

00:50:58.220 people know this a lot of the nuclear power plants that power our country almost all of them are over

00:51:02.140 50 years old over half a century old we no longer have the capacity to replace these things due to how much

00:51:10.940 it would cost to build new nuclear power plants under current regulations that means that as we

00:51:17.580 decommission these which god knows we're probably going to as leftists decommission things they can't

00:51:22.620 rebuild we have no way to replace them as power sources that means rolling blackouts that means so

00:51:28.940 for so much of this you're looking at a system where outside of political reasons outside of overreach

00:51:35.340 reasons is inevitably going to collapse and it's even worse than that and i'll give you one little

00:51:41.420 example there was i think last week this article about there's like three or four ammunition

00:51:46.940 factories in america i don't know if it was the new york or the new york times or washington post

00:51:52.380 went into one of them in pennsylvania or something and it's run down and everyone who's working on it

00:51:58.620 looks like they're there has to be over than older than 50 half the lights are out and that's one of

00:52:05.900 our four ammunition plants in america that produces ammunition that is needed by the ukraine to fight an

00:52:13.260 actual war right but here's the worst part about it that itself wouldn't be so bad but we've actually

00:52:21.420 been governed by neoconservatives for for 30 years for over 30 years for almost 40 years who who've

00:52:30.620 entirely run this country on endless war who we spend gosh knows how much on the military every year

00:52:38.860 so this is their thing even on their thing that they say this is our thing war we need war we need

00:52:45.340 more money for war we have to always be about war and we can't produce ammunition and the four one of

00:52:52.300 four factories we have looks like a dump so even on their own things the people who are running our systems

00:53:01.260 they can't eat this is why they get so frantic and so hysterical and so lockdown mandate censorship

00:53:09.180 because they can't even implement their own priorities effectively and this is what's going

00:53:15.980 on with taiwan as well like you know we genuinely cannot produce the semiconductors of the advanced

00:53:22.780 quality at the level we need that's coming out of taiwan right now i think that your average american

00:53:28.220 citizen does not understand how much their lifestyle relies on taiwan if they're living their lifestyle

00:53:36.140 on the internet or online or with bitcoin or with like like all of the advanced technology that we're

00:53:42.780 using relies on a system that is clearly unsustainable and about to collapse yeah so that's what we have

00:53:51.260 to that's what we have to build something different and that's why we have to have like our our really

00:53:57.500 super elite intellectuals who are into this and we have to have the normie people and we have to have

00:54:04.380 the cheesy people and we have to have the health freedom people and the social conservatives and the

00:54:09.020 libertarians and we have to bring them together because we may not all end up in the same tribe when

00:54:13.980 this thing shakes out but we can we can build tools together and this is why investing in parallel economies

00:54:20.700 makes a lot of sense now if you are an investor and you're thinking like well this parallel economy thing

00:54:24.860 nothing has come of it yet yes nothing has come of it yet that's the point when it happens it will

00:54:32.540 happen slowly then all of a sudden and the people who built their houses there ideologically like our

00:54:39.820 little ideological you you can look at like people are like well you're othering yourself from the

00:54:43.900 system why would you take this risk and it's because we see things as intergenerational and i know where to

00:54:48.300 invest i know that either us or our children will be rewarded for the ideological camp that we are

00:54:55.180 building on the side that's obviously going to win when the other system collapses so be ready for that

00:55:01.900 and be ready to remember what the other side did to you yeah i mean

00:55:07.020 in in the ex to the extent that one should always be cautious about wolves and foxes especially when

00:55:17.900 they come to dressed as sheep one should always be weary and look at past behavior as potential

00:55:24.540 you know a guide to future behavior but at the same time again even for people who are like

00:55:31.740 okay so a lot of people very oddly i think but they do they do not react well to the word ideology

00:55:43.660 or any variation of it ideological what you know what i mean for whatever reason they're they've been

00:55:50.060 trained to think of that as a bad word right and so same with political if it's interesting how those

00:55:57.820 two words are bad words even though we live in such a system but it is what it is but again

00:56:05.660 all the only ideology you need to have to be in the parallel economy as a decision maker an investor

00:56:13.580 consumer an entrepreneur is we should start building tools because this this mainstream thing looks a

00:56:22.060 little shaky that's it that's the only ideology you have to have the ideology of i can

00:56:27.660 see what's happening yeah well and i think that this is also really interesting i mean we talk

00:56:32.140 about hucksters any economy any new thing like this is going to attract hucksters i think this is another

00:56:35.980 thing we've done some things about it a lot of people can be very confused as to why people think

00:56:39.500 crypto and web 3 has so much value it is because it is one of the potential places the parallel economy

00:56:47.020 might emerge from but it isn't the only potential place and it's useful to and i i don't even think

00:56:52.780 it's the most likely potential place where it's going to emerge from but but for people who can

00:56:57.420 invest in things it is the easiest to invest in place where it might come from and so with your

00:57:03.980 conference hopefully you begin to create new nexuses of where it could come from that i'm excited to see

00:57:10.620 and this this has been fantastic to chat with you and we're really excited to be speaking at this

00:57:14.700 conference yeah we really look forward to your panel and your keynotes and it's gonna be a great time

00:57:19.180 we're gonna have a lot of fun most of all you know it i love this well and it's it's going to

00:57:24.380 happen and it's a great place i mean charter cities this is also why we're really involved

00:57:27.660 in charter cities that's an example of like where a parallel economy could happen these are cities

00:57:31.580 that basically have their own governing structure and are separate from existing governances so there's

00:57:35.900 so much to talk about in regards to parallel economies and i'm really excited for where it goes

00:57:39.820 and i think that when people look at a space they can say that space is full of scam artists

00:57:45.820 therefore it's not the future and i would say look historically wherever you have seen a cluster

00:57:51.420 of scam artists in the past it has been the future look at the dot-com bust right it's like

00:57:58.220 the dot-com business with a bunch of scam artists and then it busted and everyone like

00:58:02.620 you see that's proof that the internet is full of and nothing's ever

00:58:06.940 going to come of this thing con artists may be con artists but they have good taste exactly 0.86

00:58:12.460 that's such a good way of putting it dirty rotten scoundrels they had excellent days 0.99

00:58:16.220 have a spectacular day yeah and we will see you in vegas in uh god it's march in march it's so

00:58:25.020 what are the exact dates so people can register yeah oh well and also like what is just go to the

00:58:31.020 website replatformvegas.com perfect good and is registration open yep good okay cool well then if any

00:58:38.940 of you guys are coming we'll see you there and i want to be clear this episode is not an endorsement

00:58:43.100 of any naughty or cancelable opinions we do not we do not think naughty things on this show no we

00:58:50.220 think sexually deviant things which are not naughty anymore yes those are all okay but yeah we're

00:58:55.500 sexual deviants we're just we're no no yeah nothing else that's fine all right have a good one thank you

00:59:01.580 so much if you want to check out this conference the promo code based all capital well i don't know

00:59:09.660 if it's capital sensitive but based all capital at least will get you 10 off both tickets and exhibiting

00:59:16.540 so you know always want to save you guys money where i can

Based Camp - December 14, 2023

Replatform A Conference Fighting the Virus with David Ragsdale

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