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00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today.

00:00:01.920 Today, we are going to be talking about more and more youth joining the youth in Asia.

00:00:09.720 And we have to find creative ways to say this stuff so that we don't get in too much trouble here.

00:00:15.720 You need to take a cold, hard look at your stance on youth in Asia.

00:00:19.840 Oh, I don't care about them. They're conformists and they're communists.

00:00:24.000 Who?

00:00:24.500 The youth in Asia.

00:00:26.180 The people who opt in to the afterlife early.

00:00:30.000 Yes. Speed running life. Yes. The speed running generation. So we had done an episode previously

00:00:38.260 on CDC statistics that were so shocking that they showed that 24%, so about one in four

00:00:47.440 young women created a plan to join the youth in Asia, not over the course of their childhood,

00:00:55.020 but in any given 12 month period this is insane that's insane and this is cdc right like they

00:01:02.360 have a reason to underplay this right so i did that episode and when we did that episode the

00:01:09.020 data that we had access to that the public had access to was from 2021 and everyone was like

00:01:16.740 well that was during the covid lockdowns and being during the covid lockdowns i can understand

00:01:24.480 why you might have higher rates right so let's go at the later numbers that have been released

00:01:33.300 since then and the latest we have is 2023 data what is the rate for girls now doing that

00:01:40.140 21 only a three percent decline and still well over one in five young girls makes a plan to join

00:01:51.800 the euthanasia every 12 months period not over the course of her childhood in any given 12 months

00:01:58.380 period that actually surprises me i would have honestly expected that it would be higher because

00:02:03.580 i remember looking at some statistics around the pandemic that showed that people's rates of severe

00:02:10.860 ideation of bad types increased right before school started or like as school started and

00:02:18.140 actually went down over the summer and during breaks they were like just less stressed yeah

00:02:22.360 they were not in school system it's a torture chamber for children i do yeah so i'm actually

00:02:25.600 surprised that now that people are now forcibly back in school at higher rates that they're

00:02:29.400 actually doing a little better mentally that's interesting yeah but i think there's also the

00:02:34.900 effect of contagion when it comes to you know harmful social behaviors that include various

00:02:41.460 forms of hurting yourself, not just the ultimate form. But I think that that might have been a

00:02:49.940 thing during the pandemic, just because a lot of people were talking about it, that maybe that was

00:02:53.860 what pushed it over the edge and made it higher than normal. Because a lot of people were just

00:02:57.360 being overtly dramatic online because they had nothing else to do. And now people are a little

00:03:02.120 bit more busy doing other things, like actually going to school. Well, we can talk about it. We

00:03:06.880 can look at the differential rates okay we which we will explore we'll see where there have been

00:03:12.080 actual drops in the data um and i want to talk about all this in the context of like do you

00:03:18.540 understand you know we have a you know people filming about us and reporting crews here all

00:03:25.440 the time and they're like why are you guys so weird like why do you do this in a weird way why

00:03:30.740 don't you punish your kids the way everyone else is punishing their kids why don't you just send

00:03:34.560 your kids to school like everyone else is sending their kids to school why do you do x and y and z

00:03:40.400 that are also weird and different and it's like if you knew that there was a cultural group

00:03:47.360 and there was a or or a type of school system right like around you and everyone was like well

00:03:56.140 did you know that one in five more than one in five girls in that school system is making a plan

00:04:01.900 to join the youth in asia or if they thought it was like a an online social network or a social

00:04:07.860 club you know if someone was like oh well you know one in five girls who joins the girl scouts

00:04:11.900 wants to do this people would be like oh my gosh it's a satanic cult you know they say i'm

00:04:16.860 definitely like above all else my child is not going into the girl scouts yeah or if it were

00:04:22.040 like a a school district right they'd be like oh i'm moving out of there like whatever it takes

00:04:26.140 to save my girl you know this is this is huge and yet people are they don't bat an eye above all

00:04:33.040 else if there is a there is a school around us that when kids go to it one in five girls wants

00:04:42.600 to end it on any given year right that school is every school that is the culture that we are in

00:04:49.300 right now that school is called school school and i would point out that these rates are higher

00:04:58.180 see our episode on this because people can be like well you know this is for poor people or

00:05:01.700 whatever and it's like no no actually use in asia ideation among young girls is higher for young

00:05:08.980 girls who grew up in higher income suburb environments than those who grow up in urban

00:05:14.280 environments and and this isn't just again about literally trying to enter the afterlife early this

00:05:19.860 is also you see rates of spoonies which are people who often believe they have very serious medical

00:05:25.340 conditions that they don't actually have but that ultimately lead them to have very real symptoms

00:05:30.820 that are torturous and awful those are that is very much a new form of affluenza you don't really

00:05:37.720 see it happening with impoverished young girls that are resource strapped and watching their

00:05:42.840 younger siblings and just trying to get by you see it in middle class or upper middle class

00:05:48.840 bougie girls who have too much time on their hands yeah and and i'd i'd go further you know

00:05:53.720 somebody who grew up adjacent to like the you know sort of elite boarding school scene and

00:05:58.060 everything like that oh those were the girls who you know did stuff and and unalived i i'd i bet

00:06:05.060 if you could get the real statistics from a school like andover or something like that

00:06:08.860 they'd probably be like twice the rate of your your local public school um and it's just the

00:06:16.920 culture in these places anybody who goes or was in those networks knew you always heard about

00:06:20.800 people unaliving themselves in these rooms of wider elite culture networks and so when a lot

00:06:27.420 of parents they think oh i'm not i'm i'm doing the the premium version therefore my kid is safe

00:06:32.880 and i'm like you must have not been at the previous premium version when you were a kid

00:06:37.140 yeah that's where all the cocaine is right you know that's real though well i think it's i think

00:06:44.000 it's really dangerous i think it's really dangerous and if one of our kids wants to you

00:06:46.760 know try to get a scholarship to go to one of those i'll be like you you can try but well even

00:06:50.360 even on a more micro level so in in the little the island city where i grew up in the bay area

00:06:55.960 called alameda there were two high schools there was ensignal high school where i went and there

00:06:59.380 was alameda high school where the rich kids went like they were sort of the richer side of the

00:07:03.140 island and then the not as rich side of the island and the the joke was that our students

00:07:10.260 sold the drugs to the alameda high school students like we were the drug dealers they bought the drugs

00:07:15.500 and the the like general sentiment was like they had the mental health problems we also got their

00:07:22.660 old textbooks this is how poor we were as a high school we would see like the alameda high school

00:07:26.860 stamps on the books and they'd be from like 1983, like, you know, 2005. It was bad, Malcolm. But

00:07:34.120 like, we really didn't have that many serious issues of mental health going around our high

00:07:38.200 school. We didn't have stories of like people going through this or that, or, you know, really

00:07:42.240 crashing out. Whereas that happened a lot at the other high school, which I think is really

00:07:46.360 interesting. You know, so it's not, you're not even safe if you are, oh, just, I'll just keep

00:07:52.180 my kid in public school then? No. There are also just school districts and general schools within

00:07:57.020 the same school district that could be seeing this problem. But where I want to point that out

00:08:04.120 is I get really worried when parents come to me and they're like, I found an out. I found a secret

00:08:10.520 way that I don't need to worry about this. I send my child to a good classical Christian school and

00:08:15.920 therefore everything's going to be okay and i would bet if you did an analysis on good classical

00:08:24.100 christian schools and the rates of these things they're going to be lower but maybe like three

00:08:28.500 percent lower now they're still at horrifying levels and it's because they fundamentally buy

00:08:35.760 in to the wider cultural framework which is leading to all of this um and i mean this is a

00:08:43.100 problem you can be like well they're they're classical christian it's like the teachers

00:08:46.680 there still all went to teacher education that's like four years of brainwashing right

00:08:51.900 and and there's been some great whistleblowers on this of like what it's like training to be

00:08:57.780 a teacher today and they're like they're like two out of eight classes have something to do with

00:09:02.960 other than like well propaganda and this is coming from the brokenness remember i said

00:09:07.620 oh would you let before we get into the sets here your kid join a group that you knew how to you

00:09:12.580 know one in five chance of uh making a plan to join the youth in asia right and then you look

00:09:18.260 at like the most urban monoculture groups like the trans community and stuff like that and it's

00:09:22.740 like for them it's like 50 45 right like a a coin flips chance you know if that's the case of course

00:09:31.120 i don't want my kid joining those communities right yeah seriously guys stay away from these

00:09:36.860 communities you know another community that has really high rates no furries they're at around i

00:09:44.440 think 35 to 40 percent furries isn't that worse than the trans community i know that's that's a

00:09:51.200 little bit less than the trans community that's surprising i mean i thought that they were like

00:09:56.660 kind of known for being based and i think both communities represent something that is

00:10:04.280 fundamentally unified which is disliking who you are enough to want to create a separate persona

00:10:12.780 that you can interact with oh yeah it's it's a dissociative coping attempt that may not be as

00:10:21.340 successful as one would hope right yeah so like like so maybe the furries who have good furry

00:10:27.740 local friend groups or online friend groups that they're like great and supportive like they're

00:10:31.920 fine but then the furries who haven't really been able to tap into that are the ones who end up

00:10:37.280 no i think it's okay why could i never be a furry right i couldn't be a furry easily

00:10:45.680 not because i don't think that some anthro is hot i can't be a furry easily because i never

00:10:51.200 want to cover up my identity i'm too proud of who i am and i think that this is important you know

00:10:56.080 if you tell a young kid if you find any anthro character you've ever seen attractive that you

00:11:02.360 are now a deviant furry and you might as well just join in that community you know you're putting your

00:11:06.540 kids at significant risk because the reality is is even if you a parent may have never seen

00:11:15.880 anthro that you found hot or just don't find it hot at all the reality is is that statistically

00:11:22.200 a huge chunk of the population you know like when like lunatunes whatever comes out and they made

00:11:28.960 lola dunes no remember they made lola bunny less sexy no yeah lola bunny was the that's

00:11:35.040 realization moment for so many people mainstream right wing like christian influencers were like

00:11:42.060 how dare you make lola bunny less sexy now you want to tell me everyone loves lola bunny yeah

00:11:48.360 come on don't come for her the point i'm making here is you want to tell me that everybody who

00:11:55.320 can recognize that lola bunny is sexy and would be concerned about her being less sexy they're all

00:12:01.400 furries and so now you're mainstream you know right-wing influencers who all freaked out when

00:12:06.160 that happened that's why it's important to differentiate between random arousal pathways

00:12:11.580 and you know going into actually acting on it and like identifying with it in a way that that's

00:12:17.780 that's very interesting yeah well no it's it's it's weird because the parents like i'm gonna

00:12:22.820 you know keep my kids out of the furry communities i only show them disney movies from the 1980s and

00:12:29.120 i'm like you mean like robin hood i want to tell you how i'm safe no one's safe yeah

00:12:35.920 owe my life to you my darling i couldn't have lived without you robin

00:12:41.440 a lot of those furries found out about this yeah yeah go back a little a little earlier to the

00:12:50.080 1950s like we talked about in our podcast and you know maybe they had fewer anthro characters but

00:12:55.140 they were just you know doing things just in person with the donkeys irl you know it was funny

00:13:00.360 it was made marion it actually a perfect pronunciation conservative like trad sexual

00:13:07.060 like a role was in that original one like in all other yeah i mean she was wearing her swaddling

00:13:13.860 hijab for most of that wasn't she her what is that the wearing a veil i'm just i think trump

00:13:20.540 talked about ilman omar wearing a swaddling hijab i just think it's a really funny

00:13:26.440 derogatory way to refer to jobs anyway anyway anyway to get started here

00:13:33.720 so persistent feelings of sadness or hopelessness okay if we're looking at all students this went

00:13:41.080 from 42 to 40 barely a drop for female 57 to 53 for male 28 to 28 so no change in males let's see

00:13:53.100 if this pattern persists now for females here right i actually want to focus on this this means

00:13:59.600 that well over half of girls in school have persistent feelings of sadnessness or hopelessness

00:14:06.420 okay this is not normal no malcolm clearly you've never been a teenage girl

00:14:12.220 chiming in the comments girl we all just want to die it's true do you have that these days do you

00:14:21.680 have uh i mean in our marriage persistent feelings of sadness or hopelessness oh no no not since

00:14:27.400 having kids no no bad puberty is rough Malcolm we just don't understand like it's it's really

00:14:34.320 it's not it's not great and I always approached all my challenges and puberty was like optimism

00:14:40.940 I was like well yeah yeah maybe that's because you were being like macro dosed with testosterone

00:14:45.800 and I was being macro dosed with with estrogen before I figured out the solution which was just

00:14:51.880 to starve myself so much that my body stopped producing hormones permanently and I fixed it

00:14:57.100 I fixed it, Malcolm. I may not be able to have kids natural anymore, but I have the hormonal

00:15:01.860 profile of a prepubescent male. So everything's okay. Maybe that's your psychological condition

00:15:08.840 for a female, which is called sanity. Well, I mean, that's, I feel like it's,

00:15:13.680 it's one of the best. How do I, what, how do I not use this word? The thing where you don't eat

00:15:19.200 that, that female coping mechanism of youth, that one is great because while it does cause

00:15:25.200 what i do have osteoporosis persistent fertility issues it does actually address the hormonal

00:15:31.140 issues like it does take it away being a woman yeah so it takes the problem away whereas like

00:15:36.760 you know the other coping mechanisms don't i guess gender affirming care youth gender transition

00:15:42.100 does kind of handle it but our daughters are going to be a nightmare when they go through puberty

00:15:46.740 this is why we had sons first like we intentionally when you and i were like oh well should we start

00:15:51.880 with sons or daughters, I was like, well, we're starting with sons because I'm not dealing with

00:15:56.360 teenage girls setting the tone in our household. Though I do really feel like a big moderating

00:16:01.300 factor on having very, very rough adolescent years is being in a small household. Every family that I

00:16:10.680 know of a lot of children or people I know who went through their adolescence in large families

00:16:16.840 came through a lot more mentally healthy. And I think that a lot of the danger, and maybe this

00:16:21.860 is one of those reasons why you see a correlatory issue with like having leisure or wealth or some

00:16:28.220 form of like affluence or abundance in youth correlating with these high rates of attempting

00:16:34.120 to join the youth in Asia is when there's no space to get stuck in your head, you're going to be okay.

00:16:42.400 It's the problem is that the demons are all in your head when you're in adolescence. And if

00:16:47.160 you're allowed to just hang out with the demons you're you're screwed they're going to take you

00:16:52.140 over it's like demonic possession whereas if you're constantly being kicked by you know your

00:16:57.440 seven-year-old brother and you know your other like 13 year old sister constantly steals all

00:17:02.640 your little bras and stuffing them and taking them to school and you have to fight with her

00:17:06.160 and and you know if you are you're also waking up in the middle of the night to help your parents

00:17:09.980 with your parents with an infant you don't have space to get angsty and and and think about

00:17:18.300 hurting yourself you know you're too busy trying to kill your siblings out of rage the rage takes

00:17:24.160 over and it's a beautiful thing yeah yeah all right sorry i think it's true i think it's true

00:17:31.900 i think being in a large family you're not going to be affected one by external culture as much

00:17:35.920 and it's the forced hardship which is something we talk about sort of separately about how

00:17:39.960 we think it's just so important to have some version of hardship and youth and you don't have

00:17:44.600 to manufacture hardship for affluent youth if you have it built in through the form of a large

00:17:50.720 family which just creates hardship every single day we see with our kids because our kids have

00:17:54.640 to navigate feelings of unfairness or violation or having to put others first which is really hard

00:18:02.420 for kids every single day so yeah and and here i'm gonna note something because i've been looking

00:18:10.700 ahead in the statistics and we're gonna need to have a hypothesis around this which is that

00:18:15.740 from covid to not covid lockdown female rates of unhappiness joining the euthanasia everything

00:18:23.540 declines marginally whereas in males it didn't and so the question is is why why i think i think

00:18:30.380 we're going back to my my original hypothesis which is this is a social contagion thing i think

00:18:35.340 that during the pandemic just became vogue to talk about this and that after the pandemic it was just

00:18:42.760 less cool and also like girls had more things to gossip and titter about when they were seeing each

00:18:48.900 other in person at school and so there there wasn't as much need to get attention and gossip

00:18:55.600 about entering the afterlife yeah so seriously thought about joining the euthanasia um females

00:19:04.080 this was 30 percent in covid and then went down to 27 so it's 3 27 though that is still way too

00:19:12.560 high i don't want to play those odds i mean like if we're talking about school shooters for example

00:19:17.600 and it's like well you know like you'd be like oh i'm getting my kid out of that school i don't

00:19:21.180 want them to get hurt like it's I don't know why we're so we talk so much more about our children

00:19:26.640 being at risk of being hurt by other people I mean like just like with murder rates right like most

00:19:31.420 murders and kidnappings are performed by like family members or inside the house or people you

00:19:35.760 know and the who do you know who do you spend the most time with in your entire life it's you

00:19:40.460 you are your own worst enemy you are your own biggest risk why are we not more concerned about

00:19:46.440 this the you know the calls coming from inside the house like the most inside part of it

00:19:50.720 continue yeah come on and with males it was 14 in in both periods still way too much also keep

00:20:00.740 in mind how low it is for males compared to females 14 to 27 right girls are significantly

00:20:06.800 more at risk of this and you know everybody knows life is worse for young men these days in terms of

00:20:12.820 the bias they face in from from teachers from society the enemy within is worse for young women

00:20:18.320 young men are like they just really want to bang someone right like this is the worst thing that

00:20:22.880 happens to them in youth right they become a little rebellious and they really need sex

00:20:26.540 girls it's man it's it's it's different and it's dark okay no no i mean it is it is true what

00:20:35.080 you're saying they want sex that is what men want yeah i if only i were so lucky if only that were

00:20:41.660 my problem in youth i wouldn't be i wouldn't have the bones of an aged woman anyway anyway so

00:20:50.840 for the we where we went over the made a plan so for women it went from 24 to 21 but with males

00:21:00.500 it's 12 to 12 still way too high um and i think your enemy within thing is right women are

00:21:08.640 terrible to other women and themselves a lot of it comes from a place of self-hatred the urban

00:21:14.380 monoculture which defines your purpose around seeking self-validation and pleasure uh is going

00:21:22.280 to spread more within female communities because they are much more interested in conforming to

00:21:28.720 societal standards social pressures and i think they might have even become more conformist to

00:21:34.460 the general social pressure over covid uh because now it's not just their friend group that's that's

00:21:41.080 pressuring them it's the online juggernaut that's pressuring them right the juggernaut the juggernaut

00:21:48.760 and then attempted now this is interesting attempted actually didn't go down post covid for

00:21:54.720 women 13 to 13 so what it may be is we're actually seeing a decrease in the sort of

00:21:59.500 histionic i'm going to do it i'm going to do it behavior and not actual rates whereas for a minute

00:22:05.060 we've got one percent which is statistically irrelevant seven to six percent uh thoughts

00:22:09.180 yep part part of me is like i trust men when they say it also like when you look at the successful

00:22:15.700 execution of early exit men men follow through you know women attend actually actually no i tried

00:22:23.820 you're you're you're just statistically wrong here really i thought it was men that just got

00:22:29.460 the job done no no contrast no that is true when they attempt they die more often yeah but contrast

00:22:35.000 the male attempt rate which was six percent versus the male percent rate that said they

00:22:42.780 seriously considered it which was 14 so it you know that's like and what's the female attempt

00:22:51.320 versus consider a bit more than double right i i don't see that as meaningful did they did they

00:22:56.880 actually succeed that's what matters no obviously because a female attempt doesn't always an actual

00:23:02.660 attempt it might just be the communication of the drama okay the communication of the drama

00:23:07.560 so you're saying women are histionic drama queens that will attempt to make it look like they want

00:23:14.200 to end their lives for attention you're saying this about young women well yeah i mean it's

00:23:19.040 like well yeah yeah well okay so look at it look at it from a woman's perspective right it's in

00:23:25.100 vogue now. You know, everyone, everyone in high school is talking about it. One of them already

00:23:29.820 followed through. You're trying to get attention and love and people to care and worry about you

00:23:34.400 because of this, right? But everyone's talking about it and how depressed and sad they are.

00:23:38.540 So we have no choice. Yeah. Well, no, sort of. You have no choice, but to show how you're actually

00:23:44.180 serious when you're competing with everyone for attention on this one trendy issue.

00:23:48.300 Sorry to hear about your friend. Thought she was your usual airhead. Guess I was wrong.

00:23:52.840 we all were so the only way that you can demonstrate your seriousness is to actually

00:24:02.220 show an attempt to actually get hospitalized for example you know to to actually be taken

00:24:07.420 out of school for several days so that people talk about you in your absence right and there

00:24:12.140 are very easy ways to do this where you know it's not really gonna but you know you can still work

00:24:16.120 yourself up and you know get this is very harmful i'm not saying that like girls who are doing it

00:24:21.140 performatively aren't hurting themselves and also very very miserable and actually kind of really

00:24:24.920 thinking about it because once you get into the it's method acting to a great extent as well like

00:24:29.500 they're really feeling it yeah i was also just thinking about the the movie the heathers where

00:24:33.860 a major plot theme is that unaliving yourself becomes trendy in school because there's actually

00:24:39.080 a chain of murders but popular girls don't know that it's a perfect crime yeah but the the male

00:24:45.800 character in that had a very similar sort of persona to the one that i had in high school

00:24:50.980 which is funny in terms of like the way he acted and dressed and everything which is funny you're

00:24:57.980 just trying to be like a little effete while also being very irreverent yeah no that was very much

00:25:04.180 the arbitrage game that you played in and break rules for the sake of breaking rules you know

00:25:09.060 whatever so many rules i broke at that time in my life like literally only because i broke rules i

00:25:14.960 i wanted to break rules i remember like back then i used to smoke and then i stopped smoking the

00:25:21.700 minute it was legal for me to smoke i was just like this is this is lame i'm glad you didn't

00:25:28.180 get addicted that's interesting people in my family seem pretty resistant to nicotine addictions

00:25:34.200 yeah that is that is interesting people in my family are very susceptible to alcohol addiction

00:25:38.280 yeah fire water gets you guys but not the not the peace pipe interesting no one in my family

00:25:44.860 has died from alcohol so not not that kind of but but my mom if you didn't know was actually

00:25:52.020 addicted to nicotine for a period oh she was so she had to actively try to quit smoking

00:25:56.760 well okay i did not she said she she stopped smoking and the only reason i even remember

00:26:03.220 this is because i remember why she stopped which is apparently in like kindergarten

00:26:05.880 and when we were supposed to make you know like little things for our parents in like art class

00:26:11.420 oh no tray a holder like a little you know and seeing that it like got to her and she's like

00:26:18.960 mommy i made you an ashtray so she wait that implies that she might have smoked through

00:26:23.860 pregnancies no she didn't she stopped because a lot of a lot of women just stop smoking because

00:26:30.480 like even men like a lot of men when they do quit smoking it's because they've been hospitalized

00:26:35.680 for a series of days and they haven't been allowed to smoke them and they're like well i guess this

00:26:39.140 is the time i get cold turkey you know the first days are the hardest so i figured that she would

00:26:44.380 have stayed cold turkey she never did it that much i do not have any explicit memory of her

00:26:50.540 ever smoking in my entire life i only have a memory of the ashtray story oh interesting yeah

00:26:56.120 maybe she i honestly imagine that she did it just for the aesthetics i'd be surprised if she

00:27:00.600 struggled to quit but yeah so where is this coming from yeah i mean we've we've talked about

00:27:08.240 this in so many episodes but you know just to go over when you define your purpose in life

00:27:16.520 as is a search for pleasure and self-affirmation you feel and experience everything that is

00:27:24.560 fundamentally good that you are creating in this universe from your perspective because that's how

00:27:30.440 you've defined your own purpose and there just isn't that much positive feeling to life especially

00:27:36.120 when you're a teenager and so it's a very bad reason to keep going it's worse than that though

00:27:42.280 and here's why i think also you saw more of a spike in this form of ideation during the pandemic

00:27:48.840 especially is because i listen to a lot more leftist content than you do a very very common

00:27:54.620 theme is just like, oh, this world is just so hard to live in. It just, it just so dark.

00:28:03.440 And this world is everything. I know, I know. I love this timeline. Like that's the problem

00:28:08.540 is we're having a blast, but it is a very, very, very common message in the mainstream

00:28:14.720 urban monoculture. And for that reason, I think it's even easier to begin thinking along those

00:28:19.920 lines. You see this crop up with antinatalism as well. And people think about bringing a new life

00:28:25.200 into the world. We often hear it too. It's like, oh, how can I bring a life into a world that's so

00:28:29.720 horrible? But this also has to do with people's existing lives and can influence people's

00:28:34.940 tendencies in that direction to end their lives early. Yeah. I think that you're putting on

00:28:44.160 something really important here. And we've talked about it in our, you know, the seductiveness of

00:28:49.380 nihilism right like being the nihilistic person is an easy social hack to look cool within any

00:28:55.360 context right you know everyone else is oh you know if i come into a room and i'm like unbridledly

00:29:00.480 enthusiastic about something and somebody else is like hey that's lame you know they've now scored

00:29:04.180 like a social point on me unless that's actively punished or i just look at them and i by the way

00:29:09.180 that's one of those like moves i imagine people who enjoy watching sports like there are certain

00:29:14.940 moves that they just hate that people do to like get a ball from someone or i don't know but like

00:29:21.020 the when girls do it for like their version of girl nagging like a guy being like oh like well

00:29:26.840 i got us a reservation at this restaurant oh yeah you know it's not it's not really good or like

00:29:31.560 they just act not impressed by everything because that makes them look good this is another version

00:29:36.340 of that when people are like oh the world's just so terrible like no stop that it doesn't make you

00:29:42.020 look good i mean it does make you look good to a certain community is the thing especially of

00:29:49.880 women especially of urban monoculture types this idea of your status in part coming from

00:29:56.020 how distressed you are how much of a victim you are your own weakness as we've pointed out you

00:30:01.660 know you can either see the world through strength or you can see it through weakness and the urban

00:30:06.620 monoculture elevates a group or individual based on how disadvantaged they are in the perspective

00:30:13.740 of the urban monoculture you know they're how many disabilities they have how hard it is for

00:30:18.400 them to get through an average day and so you know if you're some white middle class chick and you're

00:30:22.280 hearing this you're now like you know this is where its foodies come from you're now like oh

00:30:25.960 i gotta invent all this for myself and as as you and i have pointed out people like women young

00:30:33.240 women see our episode if you're interested it's it's something like they crave the dystopia women

00:30:38.680 are sort of programmed to want to live in a dystopia and you see this through the literature

00:30:42.540 that they read like dystopian literature is very very common for young female audiences and if you

00:30:49.840 read about the lives of young females just a couple generations ago in that episode we went

00:30:54.400 through simone's grandmother's war diaries you know living in france under occupation and it was

00:31:01.580 a post-apocalypse it was a like like they were living through and you go they're driving out

00:31:08.180 of paris and the roads are backed up and the the nazis are literally dropping bombs on the roads

00:31:14.780 as cars are fleeing she at one point had like a pickup truck flip over her as she was hiding in

00:31:21.000 a ditch by the side of the road and the only reason she was spared was because she was like

00:31:25.120 inside the indentation of the ditch like horrible things and they you know they wander into abandoned

00:31:29.480 villages and she goes into a like a restaurant or bar trying to find you know someone to like

00:31:35.840 get food from and just finds a dead body there and like walks back to where her parents were

00:31:39.980 and just doesn't say anything like genuine like scary movie stuff not not even just who's spooky

00:31:46.600 dystopia that kind of you know just horrible yeah and it was the same way you go back to the great

00:31:52.380 depression it's the same you go back to the old west the same you go back to europe during that

00:31:57.280 time period the same yeah women are genetically optimized to grow up in a dystopia and when they

00:32:04.680 do not have an external oppressor they create a fictionalized oppressive force in their lives

00:32:11.600 actually i want to think about this concept more how can we structurally create something that

00:32:18.620 helps our daughters not do this to themselves siblings a large family it's built in i don't

00:32:25.640 say so at all. I think that it is still possible without traditions and contextualizations to

00:32:32.840 intergenerationally prevent this. And the way that I would do it is to frame our family as a

00:32:42.720 discriminated group by the dominant culture and society, the urban monoculture, right? And say

00:32:47.840 that, you know, they will fight against us at every turn. They will make your life harder at

00:32:53.560 every turn because of who you are there is an active conspiracy against us which there is you

00:32:59.360 can just look at the media there is an active array of forces aligned against us right and that

00:33:07.640 we need to fight this and and i think that that can help them i think another thing is to maybe

00:33:14.480 create a holiday around this right the idea that young women will create fictionalized

00:33:25.400 self-oppression when they do not face it in their life and i think that the how would you structure

00:33:32.460 a holiday to really hammer that home i don't know i mean off the top of my head i don't know

00:33:39.760 i i want to consult the holidays that other base camp community members have shared with us that

00:33:45.100 they've built on their own because we're not the only ones who believe in culture crafting

00:33:49.280 as it just so happens you know we're a good company i think some of them have come up with

00:33:53.840 some interesting rites of passage so i don't know could consult those for inspiration well somebody

00:34:00.260 had a past day that i really liked maybe we could do something where like the past day is actually

00:34:06.000 like a two-day thing and you do different eras so you do or maybe even for like a week every week

00:34:12.340 you do a meal from like a different period in the past and you talk about the challenges of living

00:34:17.700 in that period and how horrible it actually was to be alive during that period and how and then

00:34:24.740 reflect on how lucky we are for the society and world we live in and think with shame on the people

00:34:33.680 who act differently what do you think of that we can do this over thanksgiving as an alternative

00:34:39.440 thanksgiving because thanksgiving sucks in the holiday yeah yeah i do i do like that as a

00:34:43.940 thanksgiving thing and then you get a week of unique dishes as well so you can try always always

00:34:51.260 the dishes yeah it ain't a holiday if they're in special food food from the 1950s you know what

00:34:57.000 what is that like make a jello casserole thing our kids would probably be into it considering

00:35:04.400 their taste in food so yeah no i i yeah i i hear you i i think the biggest thing is the urban

00:35:10.720 monoculture um but the second biggest thing is the urban monoculture you can't just say

00:35:16.920 don't join it your kids will still join it you still end up trapped right like well and you

00:35:22.320 still actually have a very very long history of affluent girls living in abundance having

00:35:28.540 issues of hurting themselves and calling it different things sometimes calling it religious

00:35:34.540 devotion sometimes calling it the sickness that they just report that isn't real so I yeah I agree

00:35:41.620 with you that it is not exclusively the urban monoculture I think that the urban monoculture

00:35:45.540 can however explain outsized variants and and unique differences in some periods of time but

00:35:51.920 yeah you're right but yeah you also the larger picture is that people need a reason to live

00:35:58.680 it's not enough to just be like oh I'm happy and like I don't know I don't want to die you have to

00:36:05.700 I think a lot of people only understand why they don't want to die when kind of that's not that

00:36:13.680 living is the default that's a big factor when living is not the default or it doesn't feel like

00:36:20.160 the default, they suddenly are really happy about not dying.

00:36:25.200 And I think maybe actually another issue that could be insufficiently discussed, and this

00:36:29.580 can go back to holidays and also making Halloween more about El Dia de los Muertos is that we

00:36:36.700 don't talk a lot about death.

00:36:38.100 And I think a lot of people don't even really understand the meaning of how short their

00:36:43.280 lives are and how tenuous their lives are and how quickly everything could just end

00:36:48.660 and you can lose a family member at any age how can we go to show our kids a dead human body

00:36:53.140 like does the morgue let kids in i used to have a lot of like if you have good connections probably

00:37:00.500 but i even just talking with octavian on monday like when it came up that like i'm gonna die and

00:37:07.220 he's gonna die and he really started wrapping his head around it he was like oh god like

00:37:11.580 oh he definitely came away the puritans used to do that they used to have their kids like

00:37:17.520 standover graves yeah yeah and i like look at it that's gonna be you one day yeah yeah yeah yeah

00:37:24.300 yeah i wonder if that's maybe also one of the reasons why people held open casket funerals you

00:37:29.460 know it's not necessarily to just honor the dead or like have closure in some way that would really

00:37:37.320 freak me out but like rather to be like no look at it i think we should make a holiday for our

00:37:43.560 family around showing the kids dead bodies and see if that's we could do the thing that like you

00:37:48.720 know the depressed south koreans do or you know they we make them they they write their will and

00:37:54.620 they lie in a casket and think about the fact i don't know though i i wonder if that kind of makes

00:37:59.500 people into it make them want to go ahead do it i don't know i don't know we're gonna have to think

00:38:07.220 about this i'd love people's thoughts in the comments yeah well that's my thoughts on that

00:38:14.400 which is to say this is not an artifact caused by covid the system really is that bad and stay the

00:38:21.600 f away like stay the f away build something new you have had kids for nothing if you then throw

00:38:31.240 them in the grinder right like a society right if you let them be normal right because nor nor

00:38:40.540 these days malcolm has given you one slice of what normal means and given those rates of interest

00:38:46.920 and departing from the world so prematurely normal's not good you dangerous cult you want

00:38:53.920 freakishly weird if anything that's not freakishly weird now is is very worrisome so get rid of

00:39:01.140 that desire to be to fit in not good okay all right i love you so much i have the other half

00:39:10.420 of the bulldog but i know this was with the larger i don't know how to pronounce the noodle

00:39:15.680 things to bookie so something's wrong with this bulldog didn't look right yeah i was like what is

00:39:21.900 what is it i think it's because we you you asked me in subsequent batches to make to chop the

00:39:27.020 medicinal pieces no no no no i mean it doesn't have any chicken in it for one it doesn't have

00:39:32.140 any mushrooms in it it i think was the one that we made that wasn't actually bulldog but it was

00:39:38.120 meant to be made by itself without cheese it's a different dish entirely do you want me to

00:39:45.040 toss the rest of it or do you want me to prepare it differently

00:39:48.060 i think you just don't want you don't dude if it doesn't prepare it differently prepare it

00:39:54.360 without cheese or a little bit of cheddar and cook it longer it was like really mushy when it needs

00:40:00.860 to be a little bit hard okay so you want to dry it out and then so i'll dry it out and it like in

00:40:05.800 the air fryer like sort of bake it for a while and then at the very end i'll melt cheese cheddar

00:40:09.980 cheese on top yeah that's a good idea yeah okay we'll try that and if you don't like it i can make

00:40:15.120 you it's fine to eat by the way because yeah well it's not as tasty because it doesn't have chicken

00:40:19.680 or the mushrooms it has nothing that can go wrong with it oh well there's that yeah and if you have

00:40:24.620 cheese you have a little more protein i'm trying to keep it balanced i was just learning recently

00:40:29.760 about someone who died at age like 32 of a sudden aneurysm left kids behind and stuff made me really

00:40:35.880 sad so now i'm like oh god i gotta keep you healthy gotta gotta get your blood pressure

00:40:40.880 perfect and keep you alive forever you need to sleep more okay i slept a lot today yeah but

00:40:48.260 more okay just more and are you like taking all your vitamins every day are we doing a lot

00:40:55.480 sometimes i've not refilled our two-week little flipper thing for you in more than two weeks now

00:41:02.720 so all right god i shouldn't have to do every i can't like throw pills into your mouth take

00:41:09.920 your freaking pills you're an adult man i don't want you to die i feel like toasty understands

00:41:17.400 his mortality if his way of saying i love you is i love you and i don't want you to die but i think

00:41:21.480 this is also because i constantly am like torsten don't jump off the bed like that i don't want you

00:41:25.780 to die and he just assumes it's like this platitude of like oh yes and a good day to you too

00:41:30.220 i love you and i don't want you to die yeah i just think it's a thing you say sometimes

00:41:36.600 no toasty you're dangerous stop doing things anyway i love you simone that works for me for

00:41:43.540 tonight also reheating you could even throw in some peppers or something to mix it up a bit

00:41:48.980 peppers so saute those and then yeah we gotta use actually why don't you just try sauteing it with

00:41:54.440 shishito peppers okay and then i guess the very end i can throw it in the air fryer and then or

00:42:00.480 just not just no cheese no air fryer i can also sprinkle shredded very finely shredded cheddar

00:42:06.920 cheese on after plating it and yeah okay i'll do that yeah that spares me cleaning the air fryer

00:42:12.560 thank you and i love you and goodbye and don't die amazing woman i love you dearly thank you

00:42:20.340 for this great wife and not wanting to die all the time because that would be really sad

00:42:25.320 being around a bummer depression is contagious okay by the way did you get to our fabs deck

00:42:31.880 but i will i will okay i gotta i gotta get that love you bye

00:42:38.380 Nice.

00:43:01.400 Okay.

00:43:03.540 All right.

00:43:03.880 before we you know start because you don't want to trigger too many content filters what are we

00:43:10.000 going to call this what the youth in asia are we going to call it success rates the youth in asia

00:43:15.640 yeah what are what are what's this going to go the well i think i think self euthanizing termination

00:43:23.460 rates i termination rates and aliving is the word most people use you yeah but except if i were an

00:43:30.280 obvious not retard at google i would include unaliving as one of my content filters it's so

00:43:39.180 stupid you can't use the term that everyone uses you know that that's what did they call it the

00:43:44.920 the euphemism treadmill treadmill that's no no we had to google rise above okay with the euphemism

00:43:50.760 treadmill i i like your euthanasia thing so we'll just call them the euthanasia okay if we knew that

00:43:56.720 they'd be joining the youth in asia the rate of youths yeah the red youth who've entered asia

00:44:01.440 i just saw a thing you know covicular he has a scale at his house for when women come in

00:44:08.100 oh and if you don't have a body bag and next you get kicked out you'd make it through that's for

00:44:13.620 sure adorable yeah i'm 20 body fat that is exactly where you could be if you want to have an athlete's

00:44:19.420 body but also carefully and like successfully healthily carry pregnancies i i had a dexa scan

00:44:25.500 to actually check because i was like i want to be an exact minimum body weight that i can have

00:44:31.860 well i was pregnant very best body magic oh yeah oh my god to be thin is my greatest quest

00:44:42.440 yeah anyway but i like that about you because i am disgusted by fat rotundity you are disinclined

00:44:50.520 too no i have a a pretty strong natural aversion to it yeah it's just like some people are turned

00:44:56.080 off by you know big butts some people are turned off by small butts you're turned off by excess

00:45:02.720 body fat some people are turned on by excess body fat as we know because the entire haze movement

00:45:07.440 the body positivity for women wasn't invented by women trying to look good it was invented by chubby

00:45:12.300 chasers okay like they're out there so that's one of the things you actually pointed out in your

00:45:16.460 book the pragmatist guy to sexuality that people under index on just appealing to the people who

00:45:22.840 find you attractive um that we just need to like if you are for example rotund look for dudes who

00:45:29.260 are into that if you are a bony hag like i love it how they filter out dudes who are into that by

00:45:35.400 being like i'm just a fetish to you i know that no no that's this is your opportunity go for it

00:45:40.660 girl live your dreams I also you know because I sent you that clip of the the mom and her daughter

00:45:46.560 looking at filter like Instagram filters of them that turn them into men I realized and I texted

00:45:52.200 you this on what's up this morning but I was like oh my god like before any woman is allowed to date

00:45:56.260 she should look at a filter of her as a man I'm like this is the level of a man you could get

00:46:02.120 because in in the clip that I sent you it showed like you know a woman who was like I don't know

00:46:06.520 what an eight or something or above like she was a hot sexy woman and like as a man she looked

00:46:11.000 really good and then the camera hands over to her mom who's not an eight and she saw what she looked

00:46:17.700 like as a man and i think she would be the type of woman who would expect an eight plus you know

00:46:22.820 who would expect a man who's really attractive and she would never give a second glance to a man

00:46:28.020 who looked like she did under that filter and i think that was part of what led her to start

00:46:33.620 screaming expletives etc because like she had would have deep disrespect for a man who looked

00:46:39.540 oh my god christina you are one hot looking man oh my god are you freaking getting me right now

00:46:47.620 that's awesome what get that are you freaking kidding me right now get that off that's disgusting

00:46:55.520 the way she looks as a man yeah and then that's how ai is gonna help the dating game yes no this

00:47:01.980 is it you're like yeah a dating app that before you sign up you have to see the filter of you

00:47:07.540 oh my god a dating app that only allowed you to see the gender bent version of them and they're

00:47:15.160 like well i guess if they look kind of like me then all women are beautiful don't you know simone

00:47:20.540 god no all women i know the case every time i look in a mirror our girls are gorgeous

00:47:28.000 it's great it's great that my like just this body dysmorphia doesn't pass on to them because i know

00:47:34.340 some others really take it out on their you know girls are like oh you have to look beautiful you're

00:47:38.700 ugly because because they themselves feel ugly whereas like now i'm like damn like you're beautiful

00:47:44.100 they are okay

00:47:47.660 is this pasta with sprinkles

00:48:17.660 What's his real name is?

00:48:19.660 His real name?

00:48:20.660 Yeah.

00:48:21.660 It says rainbow sprinkles.

00:48:22.660 Did you learn about this from Elf?

00:48:24.660 What?

00:48:26.660 Why does our teeth have to be white?

00:48:32.660 Because her bones are white, but her bones are pink.

00:48:35.660 And did you know our teeth are bones?

00:48:38.660 I didn't know.

00:48:40.660 Yeah, they're bones you can see.

00:48:42.660 That is a spooky lady. Let's see what she's up to.

00:48:44.660 Is that true?

00:48:46.660 yeah i think they're a different structure they could be i i don't know

00:48:59.780 are teeth considered bone

00:49:01.780 it's pushing 105 teeth aren't actually bones

00:49:05.700 there may have different tissues that originate from the ectoderm

00:49:08.780 the ottermost embryonic germ layer they both contain mineralized tissues

00:49:12.800 There's bones inside!

00:49:14.800 Oh, there's a lot of bone from the mesodermal germ layer.

00:49:18.800 Okay, they're not bones. I'm sorry. I was wrong.

00:49:21.800 This is why I speak to Eskelexa, right?

00:49:23.800 They look a lot like bone, though, because they're enamelized.

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