Russia Astroturfed BLM & We Have Proof
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Summary
In this episode, we dive deep into the Russian involvement in the Black Lives Matter movement and how they astroturfed the movement in order to help elect Donald Trump in 2016. We discuss the role of the Russian Intelligence Agency (RISA) and how it played a key role in creating the BLC movement.
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so of their top 10 accounts five only targeted at black people
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that is insane that is not at all like the impression i was i was given
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like in general right this is not the narrative that we are told and then you have me going
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through this i'm like wait this is all in like senate committee reports and stuff like that
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like that russia was behind black lives matter like what so crazy and you could be like well
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russia wasn't everything behind black lives matter and i'd say okay maybe they weren't but they were
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more behind black lives matter than they ever were behind trump and that's really important
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to the narrative that's out there right now oh yeah wow this what the charlotte rallies
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the charlotte rallies this is the good people on both sides yes this is the people on both sides
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one trump was praising russian operatives on that one when he was praising the democrats because
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that's who the russian operatives helped on that one it's a lot of people would you like to know more
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hello simone i am excited to be here with you today so sometimes i'll be doing an episode and i'll be
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just like fact checking something and then i'll notice some statistics and some numbers or i'm like
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wait this can't be real and then i start going down a rabbit hole and the rabbit hole i went down
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this time and what's weird about this rabbit hole is this is all outlined clear as day and like senate
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reports and everything like that which we'll be going over and yet i haven't heard this as a
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mainstream position on the right and you guys can be like oh no x blew this up long ago or whatever
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but the russian collusion operation the ira like the thing that was russiagate the democrats said
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got donald trump elected it was significantly more involved with the astroturfing and creation of the
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blm movement than trump's election what and this is both well documented and incredibly well attested
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and yet it is like not part of the popular imagination at all that can't be because we
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would have heard something about that no right at least from conservatives it's not as though
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conservatives don't have a voice anywhere and we listen to a lot of conservative influencers and
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well not media outlets but but influencers yeah but yeah so my thought as like a concern and the weird
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thing about this is this information is not new it's been out there for a while and i'm not here
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saying because this is the perception i had historically it was like historically the perception
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i had is that the the ira helped both sides in that particular election cycle they helped the you
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know there were many instances in which two sides of a protest were both organized by the ira by russia
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basically does the ira stand for i don't know what it stands for i don't speak russian anyway so the ira
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and and so i was like and the reason why it appeared to people as if the ira was more pro trump than pro
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clinton was solely because it believed trump to be the spoiler candidate and bernie to be the spoiler
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candidate so if you're unaware the ira was actually incredibly pro bernie they worked really hard to
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help bernie in the primaries i didn't know that either okay well so the so my sort of perception was
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is it was probably about 50 republican stuff 50 democrat stuff and then of the republican stuff
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it might have looked like it was more trump just because they saw him as the spoiler candidate
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if you actually go into the documentation that is not the case it is significantly more democrat stuff
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and it is significantly black lives matter focused stuff and it was black lives matter focused stuff
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and we'll go into the timeline right as the movement was beginning to get big and what you
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also might not know about is the height of ira or the second height of ira interference because there
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were two spikes spikes one was during the election cycle and after the election was had so it wasn't
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2016 or 2020 but the second was actually at the height of the blm movement they they went back in
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with more fake stuff so we're going to be going over all of this how they astroturf the movement
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and what's important to know before i go any further than this because it really disgusts me when i see
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rightus fall for this nonsense is they act like russia is our friend because russia realizes that like the
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alphabet soup crowd is like toxic to a society and that you know you know there might be problems with
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secularization and they're like look they recognize all of these things therefore they're on our side
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and it's like no when you go to sleep every night they're injecting that into your neck in hopes that
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you die horribly like they are as almost as existential an enemy we can have like china does hit us with like
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china does try to like mess up the u.s like they like come in and are like don't trust your government
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evil evil evil evil evil evil evil don't trust your government but that doesn't work on americans
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because americans are like yeah we don't really trust our government yeah we never did yeah like
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china sucks at psyops in america right outside of tiktok which has done amazingly well in scrambling
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a lot of people's brains incredibly well yes but russia gets it you know russia will come in
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and they'll be like don't you know the black lives matter but we'll go into how they did this
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think darling think there must be something really rotten we can do today i'm thinking but the worst i
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come up with is trying to convince americans george floyd was a wholesome dude so just like you darling
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always trying to help others get a little more pain out of life and that's why they're incredibly
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dangerous and we should not think of them or treat them as an ally like there might be like individual
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russians who can be cool and friends and everything like that but the country itself is is working
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oppositionally to us and and i'd also say that the republicans the like quote-unquote republican
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influencers who like side whiz and i think you're seeing this increasingly increasingly countries like
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russia and qatar and iran i'm going to be talking about tucker carlson and which is here they're not
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really on our side right like these countries hate us and they want to destroy our civilization
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and when you glaze them you are saying oh i won't work with people on my own side who are trying to
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preserve the civilization because of minor ideological differences but i will work with people who are
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actively injecting this stuff who are actively creating movements like so let's go on here
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so senate select committee on intelligence ssci report volume two russia's use of social media
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released in 2019 as part of a multi-volume investigation into russian active measures
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youtube channel uploaded hundreds of videos of police brutality and blm related topics the ssci
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report reveals that the ira operated 17 youtube channels uploading approximately 1100 videos
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totaling 43 hours of content 96 of this was targeted at blm type issues like police brutality
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often mimicking blm narratives to build credibility a complementary finding of new knowledge report
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specifics that 571 of these videos directly related police violence against african americans
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and youtube citations post-election and this is really important the majority of the ira's work
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happened after the election cycle not during the campaign they were not going to win the campaign
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they were trying to build distrust in the election cycle
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but anyway the mentions and links to ira content increased 84 percent now what's really interesting
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about this initial report which remember i was just going here yeah you read it in the initial language
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they'll say something like of this 96 percent were tied to racial issues to try to make it seem like
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it's racial issues on both sides equally okay actually look at the breakdown it's like 95 of that or
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100 of that is blm related issues oh wow it's not on both sides so if we're going for the facebook ad
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campaigns remember i'm sure you would think that this was if you read the media the vast majority of
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it must have been pro-trump stuff right or at least fighting battle of like normal stuff no
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66 percent of it the ira facebook content was on trying to create racial division specifically
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targeted at blacks the ssc wait so this it was was it anti black lives matter content like it was pro
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black lives matter content it was about police brutality it was the sorry the report intentionally
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words it in a way that's meant to mislead you we'll get to i'm trying to reword parts of the
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report so that you can understand because they keep trying to make it sound like race related content so
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they'll say something like it's going to stoke racism in the united states against black americans
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no so they'll say something like quote over 66 percent of ira facebook advertising content contained
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a term related to race now they will say something like that right and because we know that a
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some of the ira content was tried to drive up anti-white racism so white racism against black people
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they expect you the reader to not have read the whole report and not know that actually when they're
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talking about racially divisive content almost all of it like it seems over 90 percent of it was
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specifically targeted at black people trying to make them hate america and hate white people
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oh and and and and specifically the biggest target they did was trying to get black people to hate the
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police okay wow okay okay okay so this is based on an analysis of approximately 3,393 paid
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adverts purchased by the ira across facebook and instagram a separate analysis of the ira ads
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released by the house intelligence committee found that 55 55 specifically targeted race
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often citing crime or policing themes again they are
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race was the dominant theme overall was the ira creating at least 30 facebook pages specifically
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targeting african american audiences out of 81 ira accounts analyzed so out of 81 ira accounts in total
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31 were only targeted at african americans oh which amassed about 1.2 million followers and generated
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tens of millions in engagement one standout includes the blacktivist page which alone produced 11.2 million
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user engagements oh my gosh and keep in mind this is in 2016 right so this is in the years leading up to
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blm right like this is the seedbed that led to the explosion of the the large blm movement now i know
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blm as a concept did arise organically but it was not growing organically until the ira stepped in
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so again if you hate black lives matter you hate russia all right they're the ones who gave us this
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infection all right there this is a partner you slept with that gave you chlamydia okay
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all right instagram activity exploded post-election up 238 in some cases so again this was not about
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election interference this is about showing civil discord have exploded the spin post-election
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the ssci report documents that ira activity increased across platform after election day
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2016 with instagram seeing 20 238 surgeon activity this is measured by metrics like post volume and
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engagements for context the ira operated 133 instagram accounts posting 116 000 times and generating 187
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million engagements likes comments and shares five of the top 10 ira instagram accounts focused on
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african-american issues and audiences underscoring the racial emphasis so of their top 10 accounts
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five only targeted at black people that is insane that is not at all like the impression i was i was
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given that like in general right this is not the narrative that we are told yeah so they were they
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were they were specifically trying to solve so racial fears among black people they were not targeting
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political things overwhelmingly and by the way we talked about this in another video but it is
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worth it if you're just on this video you haven't seen the other one russia gate like i.e that russia
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was trying to help trump get elected it's just baloney basically obama really pressured a number of
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departments to push this out they said in no uncertain terms the guy came back from vacation like literally
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he was on vacation the guy who was like running one of the departments he came back or it might have
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like an away assignment and he was like you guys can't release this and he sent a letter to one of
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the key guys at the obama administration he goes i've talked with my team and i am not you know in
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like professional terms this isn't accurate information the way he said it is we don't have
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access to the information we need to put this out and we do not have you know high enough quality
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information to put this out and the other guy said well you're going to need to bend normal
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procedures basically you know in summary obama said so deal with it you're putting out false
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information so if you are familiar with that whole narrative that was a that was phony baloney
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that was phony baloney put out by a very obama was a really dishonest guy and i think a lot of people
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don't realize that like they think that he you know they believe the public narrative that he
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wasn't the type of person who would make something up like this to smear an opponent now i'd like to
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point out in obama's defense right think about it from obama's perspective his side just lost an
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election because that's when he did this he really wants to to smear trump which ironically was what the
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russians were trying to do was all of this anyway so he's really helping russians in their initial
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effort he knows that some of the russian accounts were pushing out trump i mean yes more of them were
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pushing black racial fears but that doesn't really help him to focus on and he may not have a full
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statistical breakout at this point yet and so why doesn't he just really focus on getting everyone
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to know that russia was putting out bots that were attempting to help trump everybody needs to know this
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because he knows this and he's not really concerned with the whole truth does he does he need it
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explain to him that this is also he'd probably be like and they're also showing anti you know bernie
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stuff and he goes oh they just hate hillary well they're also mostly doing black racial stuff and
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he's like oh well we probably need that you know i i i could really see that being the reasoning of
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anyone seeing this not necessarily barack obama or anyone in his administration or on his team or on
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hillary's team or anyone else's seeing it and being like haha i'm going to mislead people but being like
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okay so these accounts are also spreading information about police brutality and racism
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and we know these to be major issues i'm not even going to worry about because we're only going to
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worry about that which is going to stop us from being getting elected and that which is actively not
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true and if they see it as true and if they also see it as favorable to their re-election or
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entrenchment in power it doesn't deserve a second thought yeah why would you give it a second thought
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you know that's inconvenient right to him it's not even inconvenient it doesn't it doesn't warrant a
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second of consideration yeah what russia is doing to help black people from his perspective is just
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not something the public needs to know about it's just noise it's like a control set yeah and the only
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the only fit to consider is the amount that may be promoting trump exactly and by the way if you're
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like progressive leaning and you're just now learning about this understand just how much of the media
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narrative has been completely manufactured and i think that that a lot of people can go through
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and and just be like okay i'm broadly figuring things out now and then you have me going through
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this i'm like wait this is all in like senate committee reports and stuff like that like that
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russia was behind black lives matter like what so crazy and you could be like well russia wasn't
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everything behind black lives matter and i'd say okay maybe they weren't but they were more behind
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black lives matter than they ever were behind trump and that's really important to the narrative that's
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out there right now oh yeah that's incredibly important so did the mainstream black lives matter
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movement ever directly interface with the ira yes but always accidentally so let's go through these
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okay they're not exactly the smartest of individuals we'll also go over how they scammed a bunch of people
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but the self-defense training via blackfist the ira-run blackfist group a fake self-defense initiative
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targeting black communities contacted and paid at least five u.s trained to conduct classes
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classes for instance mma fighter and activist um wally adale in brooklyn new york was hired on
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january 2017 to teach self-defense classes promoted as black power matters he received 320 via paypal
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for four sessions but stopped and contact ceased in may 2017 wally was an unwitting and believed it was a
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legitimate community effort similar payments were made to trainers across the u.s rally organization
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via black matters u.s this ira operated site and social media page which mimicked blm narratives
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on racial and police brutality reached out to activists to organize protests in september 2016
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north carolina activist connor james was contacted via facebook to speak at and help coordinate rallies
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in charlotte following the police killing of tess lamont scott he organized two events one drawing over
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600 people and collaborated with legitimate groups like the aclu in aacp unaware of its russia ties
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wow this what the charlotte rallies the charlotte rallies this is the one where the woman got
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killed like run over yeah the good people on both sides yes this is the people on both sides one
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trump was praising russian operatives on that one when he was praising the democrats because that's
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who the russian operatives helped on that one 600 people is not a small amount of people to get at a
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rally it's a lot of people wow okay okay similarly los angeles activist nolan hack was reimbursed for
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travel to assist with civil rights rallies so like when people are like
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who's behind this latest disruption who's behind the protesters who are throwing things at police
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who's behind bet your bottom dollar in a few years you're going to find out it wasn't george soros
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it was poop okay stop take it out of your mouth for five seconds and understand he wants to destroy
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western civilization that's his end game because he wants to replace it with the kleptocratic
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civilization that he is building out and if you understand how russia has ever operated even
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during this client state period they always say because they've done this before by the way
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if you don't know much about how the communist the the the the communist union actually operated
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you and you look at it from an outsider you look at it like a brainwashed lefty they look at it and
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they're like oh it was a land of equality where everyone was one under the wider communist empire if
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you actually look at the way people lived in it people in saint petersburg and moscow were living
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it up people in the colonized regions the the you know i forget the technical name for them the
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subjugated regions lived in immense poverty and were systematically exploited when russia says hey we
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want you when they come to the american right and they're like we want to create a worldwide you know
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right-leaning empire right it's an empire like the communist empire where they sell you it's an
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empire where we're all going to be equals but they plan to strip every right and everything you have
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so you can live in permanent subjugation to them and you can be a fodder for their endless expansion
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so far as they want to expand anyway it's the way they still operate today it's the way the russian
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empire has always thought about things it looks like you wanted to say something no no no keep going
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but this this very much reminds me of like when somebody acts like that they remind me of what's
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his face from red alert to acting like yuri is his friend allies will give up their foolish resistance
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and join our glorious soviet cause then together we take care of traitor yuri it's like yuri is not your
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friend like you might technically be wearing the same uniforms but yuri cares about you not a lick
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and one day you're going to be serving him if his plans come to fruition anyway to continue here in
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content creation black matters u.s contacted st louis hip-hop artist ronnie houston aka rough the ruler
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in march 2016 via instagram to produce a music video on social issues with lyrics framing police as
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assassins and protesters as quote-unquote avengers in atlanta a blogging duo william and kavin
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created anti-hilary clinton videos and posts including statements like hillary clinton is not
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our candidate so they also tried to get the black community to hate the mainstream democrats at times
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occupy wall street co-founder mika white was approached in may 2016 by a fake freelance reporter
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yon big davis tied to black matters u.s leading to unwitting involvement with their activities the ira also
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organized simultaneous pro anti-blm protests is in place like new york city but they were doing much
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more as you can see because everyone's trying to be like well they did some stuff on the other side
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they did way more on the black side right so let's go over some of these organizations that were
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operating so you can get an idea so you got blacktivist here right the one that we talked about
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was 11.2 million engagement right so what sort of things were they posting cops raid wrong home and
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assaulted pregnant woman all caps insane cops pulverized handcuffs man all caps and memes urging
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stand together and in depression with our race is under attack but remember we are strong in numbers
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ads promoted things like baltimore police brutality marches video shared footage of white police holding
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down black men one was shared over half a million times all right so let's go to the next one here
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woke blacks this account had over or sorry around half a million likes half a million shares and around
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50 000 followers so what's crazy about this is one of the really big controversies that hit facebook was
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when they basically allowed a bunch of news or i guess like largely fake news about buddhist people
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i think in myanmar like oh like this buddhist man graped a girl and you got away with it it led to
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just huge amounts of violence and people being brutally killed and incredible social dissent and and in
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death in myanmar and facebook got in a lot of trouble because it didn't properly moderate these
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things and stop it from happening what it looks like russia was trying to do here was just replicate
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what happened in myanmar in the united states like oh so you can so dissent in a country and cause
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political violence by making up outrageous stories or by merely promoting real stories that are outrageous
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and just sharing the footage and sharing photos in a way that gets people really riled up and keen to
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just start like revenge killing people it it just looks like they were actively trying to replicate
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it and it's kind of amazing that it didn't get worse than it was maybe because facebook was already wise
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to this issue and moderating more carefully or maybe just because the narrative wasn't as compelling as
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it was for whatever reason in myanmar so that's really fascinating in in the context because democrats
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don't want it known that black lives matter was astroturfed by russian bots yeah oh but facebook
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also like successfully in the past sorry buddy like successfully in the past was was used to
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perpetuate like huge amounts of political violence right i guess what we could do is on the right have
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like a freak out about this and be like all you know leftist radical stuff needs to be more watched
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because it could be russian bots russian bots russian bots oh my goodness anyway black matters
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us who had 1.3 million likes and 1.8 million shares and that's just on facebook their posts included
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things like cops kill black kids are you sure your son won't be the next and memes like the i can't
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breeze slogan and then we've got don't shoot us e.g don't shoot us dot us website that was so here
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we're going to go to the growth of the black lives matter movement just in case you want to get like
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a year by year play by play so you can see just how much the ira stuff mattered yeah in terms of seeding
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it okay so hashtag black lives matter was started in 2013 coined by yeah it really goes back much
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further than i thought because yeah i remember well it was kind of the the the george zimmerman thing
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that that that time when a guy killed a black guy and everyone pretended he was white yeah which was
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very weird to go through yeah that was the first time when i was like wait are we just like not in
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reality anymore whatever but i remember what it was i keep wanting to say wall street but the anti
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wall street protests you referred to it earlier so it was much bigger what was it called oh my gosh
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occupy wall street occupy wall street yeah it was bigger than and i didn't realize that
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black lives matter predated that apparently but it wasn't big until russia got involved
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like okay russia made it a thing like it wasn't really a thing and they're like hey look at this
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we could do something with this we could do something yeah they made it cool and i'm just i'm just going
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through the timeline here okay so in 2014 this is when you have the michael brown killing and the
00:28:18.300
ferguson unrest now this is when the ira started to get involved this was their early operations were
00:28:24.800
involved in in stuff like this then you go up to 2015 where you have the growing protests over freddie
00:28:31.300
gray and baltimore and sandra etc however ira activity really explodes this year this is 2015
00:28:39.080
with 96 focused on police brutality against black americans this was in the year 2015 96 of the ira
00:28:46.740
youtube videos were focused on police brutality against black americans again and this is on like
00:28:52.260
don't shoot black lives matter etc etc etc yeah this is when the movement's really catching steam
00:28:57.420
right and then the next year you get the height of ira interference okay this was this was 2016 but it
00:29:04.060
was also when the black lives matter movement really took off was the 2015 2016 period and so this is
00:29:12.860
when you have the peak twitter usage of hashtag black lives matter so i want to be clear here peak
00:29:18.740
twitter usage of hashtag black lives matter coincided with peak ira interference in hashtag black
00:29:24.700
lives matter wow and this is assuming we cut all their accounts yeah right and this is supposedly the year
00:29:34.560
that they were out there helping trump win the election right like
00:29:38.380
with a distant afterthought to them then in 2017 you have ira operations are ongoing but they they
00:29:49.200
scale back to some extent or sort of plateau then 2018 to 2019 you have sporadic protests so keep in
00:29:55.760
mind from like 2016 to 2019 you did not have like the black lives matter movement went into a significant
00:30:01.940
lull if everyone remembers right and in part because this is because in 2018 ira was largely disrupted
00:30:10.340
after the 2018 indictment and facebook purchase okay so but then in 2020 with the george floyd situation
00:30:20.540
black lives matter picked back up do you know what else happened in 2020 ira activity picked back up
00:30:27.360
oh no so the ira activity and we're going to go over the ira activity that was happening in 2020 right
00:30:33.900
now yeah perfectly precedes every explosion in the black lives matter movement
00:30:39.100
so you can be like this is basically an astroturfed movement you're saying an astroturfed movement by
00:30:46.580
russian bots yeah gosh and the democrats basically realized that by ignoring or hiding this fact they
00:30:54.580
could use it to their advantage and i guess the mainstream republican establishment was too
00:31:00.520
witless sir well it's not just witless this is it the republican party genuinely has a lot of
00:31:09.880
infiltrated bad actors and so if i was a republican during that period and i went out and i was like
00:31:16.700
hey these are russian bots guys i can prove it to you two things would happen first they'd be
00:31:23.960
everyone would be desensitized to not pay attention because they're like oh i remember when they tried
00:31:27.560
to pull that on trump and then two a lot of right-wing influencers large right-wing influencers are
00:31:33.400
genuinely in russia's pocket like i i mean this very sincerely yeah like even tim pool either knowingly
00:31:41.720
or unknowingly received yeah all that money i mean we we know i know you haven't said we talk more
00:31:47.840
about this but it appears very likely that tucker carlson is being paid by somebody in russia and
00:31:53.020
somebody in qatar so i mean that that's the only reason i can think that he's been glazing iran given
00:31:57.460
the history of his political beliefs um you know and and the the way he talks about russia who is our
00:32:04.400
enemy if i go up there during that period and i start saying hey all of this black lives matter
00:32:10.380
stuff it's because of russian interference russia is the bad guy behind this you know your tucker
00:32:15.800
carlson's your nick fuentes even for like the people off the grid are gonna come at me like a monkey on
00:32:22.200
okay right like you can't i i mean if i was an influencer who had more reach than we do now
00:32:27.920
enough that i could shape the narrative they would freak the f out because they do not want russia
00:32:32.720
implicated right um and there's a lot of people on the right who unfortunately believe this like they
00:32:40.040
believe russia is their friend and it's just so disheartening to me and it's so disheartening and
00:32:47.420
then they'll they'll go and they'll follow accounts and they'll listen to influencers who anyone who is
00:32:52.720
looking at it objectively would know they're on the russian doll or they're just stupid and following
00:32:58.040
accounts that are on the russian doll because nobody who is pro-america would glaze russia
00:33:03.700
are one of our primary geopolitical enemies but anyway to continue here this is anyway well this reminds me
00:33:13.000
a lot actually is i don't know if you remember just how much of the effective altruist landscape
00:33:22.880
just caved in when sam bankman freed went to jail no i remember that it was like it turned out that the
00:33:31.020
entire movement was astroturfed yeah it was just astroturfed by his money and this is making it just
00:33:36.580
feels so similar to that where both a bunch of conservative influencers but also a bunch of
00:33:42.980
crazy leftist causes really know what no one else wants to pay attention to them or pay for them
00:33:51.740
but they're just these mysterious forces that keep making them happen and were those to disappear these
00:33:58.840
things just wouldn't exist and and that's just so the case with so many of these effective altruist
00:34:04.020
efforts that had been funded no one asked for them no one wanted them they were like screaming loudly on
00:34:10.640
the internet only because they were being insanely well funded by sam bankman freed essentially yeah
00:34:20.860
and this it's i wonder how many facets of our culture and our experience online or with the media in
00:34:30.980
general is really a result of a country or a wealthy benefactor largely funding something that that just
00:34:40.460
they personally want to see screamed online i know for example like i saw a recent headline talking about
00:34:46.740
how because two really prolific philanthropists in the art world were like probably gonna die soon or had
00:34:54.500
just died that this huge facet of the fine art world was basically just gonna stop existing because
00:35:01.640
these people basically solely funded everyone's lifestyles and so now like all this art that a lot
00:35:08.900
of people thought was like really important art and you'd see it at like the met and you'd see it everywhere
00:35:13.280
else no it turns out no one actually liked that art it was just paid for by like two guys like two guys
00:35:20.440
yeah two guys who are now dead who like really liked it but it turns out no one else liked it and i just i mean i
00:35:26.340
i do wonder these like things you know when you and i were dragged on to like modern art museums and forced to
00:35:32.780
look at this art we're like who buys this who wants this who pays for this well people who are gonna die and
00:35:38.780
then it's just gonna disappear and i think this is really similar that these are facets of the online world that
00:35:45.580
felt so big and were so big and were actually impactful and did manage to fool a lot of people
00:35:51.380
but in the end they would not exist were it not for the actions of some extremely wealthy people i think
00:35:59.480
a lot of ai doomerism is very similar i think that there wouldn't be a whole lot of ai doomerism messages
00:36:05.140
if it weren't for a couple very very wealthy people recognizing that ai could be an issue and being like
00:36:12.680
sure like i'll throw like you know 20 million dollars at this and that leading to a bunch of
00:36:20.900
people devoting all their time to just screaming on the internet about ai doomerism because their
00:36:26.220
lifestyle was being paid for by these people and they wanted that attention but like it actually
00:36:31.540
you know isn't a message that i mean you can see that in the data right when it comes to google trends
00:36:38.640
ai doomerism despite receiving so much more funding for example than pronatalism and demographic collapse
00:36:46.180
has only just recently kind of surpassed it and i think that yeah anyway i just you're making me
00:36:53.700
realize just how many big elements of our cultural experience in the united states and globally may just be
00:37:01.360
just a government running a campaign on us yeah puppeteered that's really something i guess
00:37:08.540
maybe it's always been that way i mean keep in mind like the medicis like funded huge amounts of
00:37:13.140
of the arts and there's there have always been patrons who've basically dictated what we as common
00:37:19.600
people experience culturally and artistically so maybe this isn't anything new i guess maybe we just
00:37:26.680
we're under more of a false impression due to the way that social media is sold to us and media in
00:37:31.940
general is sold to us that it's more meritocratic now and it really just isn't no it is meritocratic
00:37:39.020
i think this is what you're missing timpool became famous not because russians were paying for him
00:37:46.400
but because timpool became famous right like timpool won through meritocracy and then he wanted more
00:37:52.000
money and the russians bought his opinion tucker carlson genuinely had some really interesting takes
00:37:57.840
he pulled off some really interesting stuff you know and then he realized he could make even more
00:38:04.340
money with russia and we know that he never really had any internal value system given that when he was
00:38:09.960
glazing trump we have private texts for him saying that like he hates trump so much he can't even talk
00:38:14.720
to another one of his friends because his friend doesn't hate trump right like that was his level of
00:38:21.360
existential hatred of trump yet he's able to go on air and say trump's the best ever right like if he's
00:38:27.420
doing this of course he's willing to glaze iran even if he doesn't agree with it he did his personal
00:38:34.320
opinions have nothing to do with his rise to fame because these people and i think this really
00:38:41.440
differentiates us from them and it shows you know oh because we haven't yet received no no
00:38:47.760
i would take money from an outside power but i would never compromise on my long-term mission
00:38:55.320
right like my life i'm here for a purpose right like a a functional purpose part of that is having
00:39:02.720
a lot of kids addressing this but helping our civilization the one that you and i represent
00:39:07.820
survive thrive and humanity make it into the stars as a result of that right and i'm willing to play
00:39:14.980
whatever moves i have to play on the chessboard to see that outcome realized um when you're talking
00:39:21.160
about somebody like nick fuentes who doesn't have kids who isn't married who's pushing a movement that
00:39:25.400
couldn't even win in elections like as i pointed this out he's not playing a wider game he's playing
00:39:30.740
the in the moment vibes game right and because of that he doesn't care if his uh activism is damaging
00:39:39.400
the mainstream right wing movement right like uh he's happy going out and saying mainstream right
00:39:45.960
wing individuals are my enemy charlie kirk as he said charlie kirk is his enemy like he wanted to
00:39:50.500
take down charlie kirk charlie kirk and your focus group fuck you now of course he's moved to
00:39:55.880
just insulting his wife now uh which he does repeatedly to the extent look erica kirk is a spook
00:40:02.900
i've seen enough erica kirk is a plant we all know that that is a fact that is basically established
00:40:10.660
she was shopping around for political husband god knows where she comes from she found one in charlie
00:40:18.920
kirk do you think charlie kirk is the riz master he's not a good looking guy really i i didn't realize
00:40:26.540
how distasteful he was until i saw him do stuff like that i would want my wife he's
00:40:32.460
mad that his wife is fundraising for conservative causes around like his death if i died do you not
00:40:40.320
think i would want simone to use the news cycle that generated to fundraise around pro natalist
00:40:45.740
causes and conservative causes do you for a second think i wouldn't want my entire funeral to be
00:40:52.220
freaking gun salutes and be the parades and and and and fireworks and pyrotechnics of course i would
00:41:01.060
well you're not allowed to die for the record what i'm saying is you have to actually not have a
00:41:05.360
long-term goal or a purpose in life to not know that's exactly what charlie kirk would have wanted
00:41:10.420
because you for you this is all about you it's not about the mission right charlie kirk's life was
00:41:16.040
about the mission it was about something other than himself and with somebody like tucker carlson
00:41:21.080
his life exists for himself right so he can easily be bought off because for always and ever he's been
00:41:28.580
trying to gain attention for himself like we know that from the trump text right like he didn't care
00:41:33.460
he just wanted whatever would get the most views whereas if you look at the new generation of right
00:41:37.200
wing influencers one of the things that separates them from the past is they are genuinely incapable
00:41:43.580
of being bought off let me give you an example asthma gold you could not buy off asthma gold
00:41:50.080
period this is a guy who still lives in the house he was born in obviously must be worth what now
00:41:56.440
i i assume at least 50 to 100 million dollars literally eats at 7 11 every day i don't even
00:42:02.140
think he gets food he still gets the like token cheap steak that he grills on a pan without oil
00:42:08.220
or butter or anything he just puts the steak in a pan and cooks it oh my god i think using plastic
00:42:15.660
utensils too using plastic utensils he has a video of him well hassan piker the leftist guy is out there
00:42:22.160
shocking dogs we have admiral picking gingerly a cockroach and a palmetto cockroach the ones we
00:42:28.880
have in texas which are giant they're like this big off his shirt and then carefully taking it
00:42:33.100
downstairs and my favorite part about that is he goes we're like oh in the comments when i was watching
00:42:38.900
on this they're like oh you know two people accidentally told on themselves you've got the
00:42:42.440
hassan piker one admiral goes okay guys i'm gonna take this downstairs and let it loose in the living
00:42:47.160
room and then he looks at the camera and he goes i mean outside outside i'm letting it loose outside
00:42:51.900
and everyone was like he just let that loose in his living room
00:42:55.580
what are you doing bro get out of my get go in the garbage can i'm gonna take them downstairs
00:43:03.420
i got i got him i got him i got him i got him i got him he right i can't
00:43:07.700
don't show this one to izzy beautiful but the point being is like he won't even hurt a cockroach
00:43:19.120
right but it's it's it's it's interesting that we've seen this rise of the the less corruptible
00:43:25.060
and i and i'm also genuinely not seeing as much bias in the rising right-wing figures right of of the
00:43:32.800
internet era which has been very interesting to me like they seem to be less corruptible and less
00:43:37.460
viable than the era of influencers that the tim cooks and nick fuentes has come from
00:43:44.040
tim pools now i will know is tim pool i don't know has he done i i think he has done pro-russia
00:43:50.520
stuff so i'd buy that he was butt off but i but my sort of my take with simple is he would have done
00:43:56.080
that stuff anyway like he sort of buys into the russia is our friend narrative so i don't think he
00:44:01.140
would have like seen taking money as like a negative thing yeah i mean i don't i don't think
00:44:09.140
it was terribly discordant but i think there were like i think like just legal issues but also it
00:44:15.080
wasn't super clear if memory serves the issue with him being funded by an entity that was russian
00:44:23.520
was it like russia was trying to hide the fact that it was russia giving the money but the people
00:44:30.160
receiving it including tim kind of knew that and like in internal messaging were like oh the guy
00:44:37.360
who's totally not a russian plant you know like it was all sufficiently suspicious and they all got that
00:44:44.720
it was sufficiently suspicious they took the money anyway because it's money people come on like get
00:44:50.420
real yeah we wouldn't do it come on the again i'm i'm being totally honest here if it's something
00:44:57.740
that i was probably going to promote anyway i'd be like sure yeah i'll take the money if i can use it to
00:45:01.480
to you know solve my wider agenda and that's i think that's where we stand with things like
00:45:07.420
receiving money if our incentives are aligned with the person who is giving the money 100 absolutely
00:45:15.640
i think why we don't see many scenarios like that is because no one's going to give us money to
00:45:22.160
promote something we're already promoting or at least very few people are you know they're like why
00:45:26.360
would i pay when they're already going to do it for free so we're kind of screwed milcom right like
00:45:32.880
our whole thing with sponsorship like sort of where things stand now is like we would consider maybe doing
00:45:37.460
something sponsored on this channel but only if we'd already chosen to buy the product before we heard
00:45:43.180
about it and really liked it and wanted to promote it anyway and there aren't very many like why would
00:45:52.240
coars light reach out to you when you already promote it for free why i'll go trans if it'll get me the
00:46:00.240
sponsorship well that was a joke right okay no yeah of course light would never would never even in back
00:46:11.440
in the day it's the same company right the same like a super company they're owned by the same
00:46:17.060
really yeah almost all beer is so boy but yeah like british yeah i this for me i think helped me
00:46:27.820
like seeing this and maybe somebody could be like oh no like this has been talked about a lot by tim
00:46:32.480
pool he said that russia completely bankrolled the black lives matter movement right like did he
00:46:37.720
i doubt he did but maybe he did and maybe everybody knows about this and i'm just the odd one out right
00:46:42.800
or maybe what it is is it was it was useful for a lot of people and this was actually the thing
00:46:49.880
of the period before this generation of conservative influencers when i say this generation i don't mean
00:46:55.960
people my age i mean people in our sort of upstream funnel of conservative influencers okay this this last
00:47:03.680
election cycle than the election cycle before the election cycle before that they seem a lot less
00:47:08.280
bought by groups like russian groups but it seemed like in the first like the ones who gained traction
00:47:14.260
was the first trump election they were really open to working with russia but i think it's because
00:47:20.280
the narrative caught on unfortunately because the left-wing media spread it that trump was genuinely
00:47:24.900
working with russia oh they thought oh well i'm just working with with trump's guys right you know
00:47:33.380
it's fine even though that was never really the case but russia would never have a reason to
00:47:40.140
dissuade people from believing that oh how desperately depressing that is i do not like it at all
00:47:47.360
no oh dear and so i'm interested to see if this continues if if as this crop of influencers rises
00:47:56.520
and hopefully they do continue to rise with us among them we see them stay significantly less
00:48:02.580
corruptible than previous generations of influencers or are they going to be bought off just as fast as
00:48:09.100
everyone else yeah i wonder and i also wonder how memetic landscapes are going to work in the
00:48:17.340
future as we see more concentration of wealth will wealthy people just stop paying for things and
00:48:26.240
patronizing certain memetic clusters or types of art the same way as they did before because they
00:48:33.080
sort of declare bankruptcy or completely separate themselves from the common people it's interesting
00:48:40.780
that you say this when like that's what our youtube career is actually gated towards so you as a fan
00:48:47.200
may not realize this but the point of all of the content is one of the points we have a lot one is ai
00:48:54.240
training data one is you know being able to replicate our personalities with ais another is just reaching a
00:48:59.240
public audience but a huge thing that i often think about from a financial perspective is our first
00:49:04.540
billionaire fan right you know you get that billionaire fan this is literally what started like the
00:49:10.100
effective altruist movement is like one billionaire guy it had had been to like a will mccaskill speech
00:49:16.440
when he was younger and then decided like oh i'm a big fan of will mccaskill i'll fund this effective
00:49:22.180
altruist thing right so we're trying to build all the ideological and civic infrastructure so that
00:49:30.560
a billionaire decides to become our patron yeah yeah so that they can be like oh i want to make this like a movement movement
00:49:37.860
like the ea movement was oh you know so we have all the infrastructure there all the non-profits all the
00:49:43.940
religious structures all the all of it's ready to go for when we get the billionaire who's like yeah i really like
00:49:48.880
malcolm and simone i want to make their thing global you know that's really what happens with people like say charlie kirk or
00:49:54.980
something like that you know yes they have organic grows but they also i mean it was pretty clear
00:49:59.340
have massive donors and they make it work yeah yeah that's fair that is fair i just i i do wonder
00:50:08.320
somewhat whether super hyper wealthy people are going to continue to care about that and engage with
00:50:19.100
normal people or if they're just gonna what does elon musk do like
00:50:23.880
to half of the day or more yeah but i mean musk isn't gonna live forever and also as you point out
00:50:31.740
ai is gonna just create this this group of super wealthy people who are unmoored from
00:50:38.420
any need to depend upon normal people now they may still feel connected to normal people and and want
00:50:46.640
their attention and praise but maybe they won't you know maybe they'll just disappear and and stop
00:50:53.620
patronizing the arts and influencing media and caring at all i don't know i i just i wonder
00:51:01.460
maybe they they will continue to because they've they've done that basically forever so why not
00:51:06.880
continue to that also makes sense i just i don't know i'm curious well i love you oh yeah one final
00:51:16.400
thing we should probably mention because we're going to go into this but everybody knows about this
00:51:19.360
oh yeah the the founders of the black lives matter movement bought a 5.8 to 6 million dollar
00:51:26.920
6 500 square foot property in studio city california that they were going to use for an art fellowship
00:51:33.460
program but then just decided to live in didn't someone go to jail over this so i think someone was
00:51:41.120
recently jailed like for clarification here no there has been no repercussions for the people who stole
00:51:48.680
the black lives matter money to buy mansions so they weren't no one was imprisoned over this
00:51:53.800
yeah my understanding is no one was misused the funds whatever oh my goodness gracious as they said
00:52:00.380
well it is going to a historically oppressed family ours yeah sure that's oh goodness gracious i mean i i in
00:52:12.320
the end people gave the money to you know i guess sort of out of collective guilt or desire to contribute to
00:52:20.580
black lives and if the people who are seen by some as misusing funds are black and living
00:52:29.120
then i guess mission accomplished yeah i mean i don't know what people thought they were donating
00:52:35.740
to and they donated to black lives matter anyway so i guess it's fine my goodness gracious i just i
00:52:44.980
had no idea that russia contributed at all to that movement and now basically you're saying it would not
00:52:52.000
be the thing it would not be the thing it was yeah and and not only would it not be the thing it was
00:52:57.280
but it significantly russia gate was significantly more about black lives matter than trump
00:53:02.120
oh that's that is crazy wow thanks for enlightening me that is it sobering but fascinating
00:53:10.740
exactly love you so much saman i love you too by the way i realized that we actually do have some
00:53:19.180
bok choy left and now we have all those chives so if you i'd wait a day i want i want something
00:53:26.420
easier on my stomach today so just possible space so okay perfect yeah that's that's very easy to do
00:53:32.640
so i appreciate it and you still love me that's okay more than ever more than ever my friend
00:53:41.040
you are everything to me so thanks for existing so excited for the weekend
00:53:46.680
spendable ish i think no so no i can test it now yeah okay so that's my weekend mornings but i'll go
00:53:57.420
check what's happening on the discord just to make sure okay yeah please do all right love you gorgeous
00:54:04.580
wow that was interesting good episode right finding out interesting facts people love that about us
00:54:12.300
they're like wow you guys actually did you actually end up getting the holly
00:54:15.720
boughs i didn't see them around the house no the kids got too chaotic for it so i'm either gonna do
00:54:21.940
it this weekend or tonight or whenever basically i can sneak outside that's when i'm looking at the
00:54:27.820
tree just out my window and it has so many berries on it so pretty i know it's it's it's gorgeous we
00:54:32.560
we have the perfect holiday decorating tree outside we just need to bring in the pieces