Based Camp - Scientists Prove Anti-Natalists are Narcissistic Psychopaths

00:00:00.000 The core personality traits that appear to be associated with antinatalism are generally dark triad personality traits, but specifically antagonistic narcissism, psychopathic meanness, psychopathic disinhibition, and antagonistic Machiavellianism.

00:00:20.620 And then the other article that looked into this found Machiavellianism, narcissism, and psychopathy were the primary traits that predicted antinatalist belief systems, and then secondarily was depression.

00:00:32.980 But you often found them together.

00:00:35.120 Yeah, and the difference is that we had thought that depression was first and foremost the big correlatory factor.

00:00:40.980 Yeah, yeah. You needed to be a narcissistic psychopath, and if you are a narcissistic psychopath and depressed, you're likely to be an antinatalist. 0.94

00:00:48.320 You're a sad, narcissistic psychopath. 1.00

00:00:51.240 Like, the level of narcissistic sociopathy that would deny life to another person who would want to live just because you personally would prefer to kill yourself but don't want to take the responsibility of killing yourself, to me, is just this insane level of sociopathy. 1.00

00:01:12.080 These studies helped me understand why we have such trouble getting through to the antinatalist community with logical arguments, because it was never based on logic to begin with.

00:01:21.200 See, it was always a psychiatric condition.

00:01:22.940 Would you like to know more?

00:01:24.240 No.

00:01:25.020 Just sad they're being beautiful, but...

00:01:28.200 I love you to death, Simone, and I am excited to be doing this episode, because I always love...

00:01:34.800 I mean, wait... 0.98

00:01:36.360 We love shitting all over people, and who doesn't? 0.99

00:01:39.180 No, hold on. The great thing about the pronatalist movement, and being seen as sort of its leaders, is the antithesis of us, the antinatalist movement, is just so, like... 0.98

00:01:50.200 Like, every time I dig deeper, it somehow is worse than I could have conceived it was.

00:01:58.660 It's somehow crazier than I could have conceived it was, and it's somehow more just, like, transparently and obviously the bad guys in sort of this conflicting...

00:02:10.240 Like, it's like...

00:02:11.740 You know, I don't feel like there's been a fight in a long time where there were, like, obvious bad guys and good guys since, like, World War II and fighting the Nazis. 0.67

00:02:19.080 You know, people sort of almost reminisce about these old times where there was a very obvious good guy side and a very obvious bad guy side.

00:02:28.500 The antinatalist movement, you know, they're like, well, we have to keep humans alive so we can kill all life on the planet, too.

00:02:34.140 But let's go into, like, how they came up again recently for us, right?

00:02:38.300 Is I was having to do an audit of how different terms do and how our movement is doing in different search results.

00:02:47.600 And the audit was actually kind of depressing for me in many ways, in that I'll look up something like demographic collapse, and when I'm doing it in, like, an incognito browser, everything's like, this is why demographic collapse isn't a problem at all.

00:02:59.300 No big deal at all.

00:03:00.220 Demographic collapse, fake science.

00:03:01.900 Everything's okay here.

00:03:03.040 Situation normal.

00:03:03.980 Actually, I should do some screenshots of this because I know, I know in, like, two years when it's just so obvious that this is an issue, everyone's going to say no one was ever saying that.

00:03:13.400 Everyone always knew this was an issue.

00:03:15.620 How dare.

00:03:16.140 Like, it was funny.

00:03:16.900 We had a reporter over from France at our house yesterday, and she goes, what do you think of all these, you know, researchers at universities who are saying you guys are fake science and that you guys are making all this up?

00:03:25.760 And I'm like, I love that they're saying this.

00:03:28.820 Please put them on record.

00:03:30.280 Because the more of them you put on record, the better I'm going to look in a few years when it turns out that we were 100% correct.

00:03:37.820 And right now, I'm, like, not even predicting this future data.

00:03:41.280 It's like my scary predictions are just what's in the data right now, and they're not looking year to year at how bad things have gotten.

00:03:47.920 But anyway, antinatalists are different, right?

00:03:50.460 Like, they're not deniers that this is a problem.

00:03:52.720 A lot of antinatalists know how bad fertility rates have gotten.

00:03:55.920 They just think it's a morally good thing for people who want to learn more about it.

00:03:58.740 Yeah, it shares them up, which means a lot because they're often very depressed.

00:04:02.260 But we can talk about that because there's statistics on this now.

00:04:05.080 So this is something I hadn't thought to do, was to actually look up the statistics that correlated with antinatalism.

00:04:11.320 And my naive thought from reading the antinatalist post is that depression would be the primary correlating psychological condition with antinatalism.

00:04:21.980 And my naive thought, actually, like, we had a debate with leading antinatalists of at least one faction, John and Lawrence Anton in London.

00:04:29.920 And they were incredibly, like, it was clear that they were in it because they were deeply, deeply, philosophically, intellectually concerned negative utilitarians.

00:04:40.680 Like, we ate in a vegan restaurant for dinner. 0.97

00:04:42.640 No, you're autistic and you're bad at reading people. 1.00

00:04:44.920 That is not why they were in it. 0.98

00:04:46.400 No.

00:04:47.480 No.

00:04:47.880 And we can get into this more, but I think that you just believe whatever anyone tells you if they're being affable and kind.

00:04:54.580 Yep.

00:04:55.520 They were being affable and they told you something and so you believed it because you're not very good at reading people.

00:05:00.820 That was a good vegan restaurant we went to, though.

00:05:02.680 It was a great vegan restaurant.

00:05:04.400 Yeah.

00:05:04.540 But anyway, so everybody knows, you know, and we've done episodes on this if people want to go into it more.

00:05:10.680 The psychological trait that is really overwhelmingly overrepresented in the pronatalist movement is autism.

00:05:17.740 This is where the joke in the pronatalist movement of the greater replacement theory comes from, that the autists are going to replace everyone else. 0.93

00:05:24.700 But I'd also say it's not just autism that is overwhelmingly seen in the pronatalist movement.

00:05:30.160 There's two other traits that I've noticed really, really big in the pronatalist movement.

00:05:35.140 Oh, my God.

00:05:35.460 One is general high mood, like general happiness.

00:05:40.180 Most of the pronatalists we know are like, I'd say bubbly people, maybe even a little.

00:05:45.380 Low anxiety, low neuroticism, relatively speaking, from a type of person who often you would expect to be high neuroticism.

00:05:53.400 Like at the natalism conference, a lot of like really big intellectual speakers and thinkers, like, you know, high caliber people were there.

00:06:02.240 And yet they the ones who had kids were like pretty chill for that.

00:06:07.580 No, it's a very low neuroticism movement.

00:06:09.960 And I'd say very high pro-sociality, like natural pro-sociality.

00:06:14.860 So I'd say high autism, low neuroticism, a bit higher than normal pro-sociality.

00:06:20.480 And you saw this at the conference.

00:06:21.940 Like the conference felt really weird to me because typically when I go to conferences where there's like something that people are like autistically obsessed with, you get higher than normal neuroticism within those communities.

00:06:34.220 And it was a very interesting environment because you both had the autistic, like, oh, everyone here is automatically my friend and I'm going to go up and talk to them and be nice to them.

00:06:46.380 And you have like an anime convention or something like that.

00:06:49.800 But then you didn't have the like constant fear from some people there where it's like constantly little explosions are happening because one group thinks everyone else is their friend.

00:06:59.380 And then the other group is like super neurotic about people coming up and trying to engage with them.

00:07:03.340 Don't touch me.

00:07:05.240 So that was amazing.

00:07:07.520 But so I'm looking at the statistics on what is most correlated with antinatalism.

00:07:12.860 And I found it turns out that there's actually like a body of literature on this, at least multiple studies.

00:07:18.920 And it seems like more than this because one here is talking about a larger body of studies here.

00:07:24.000 So this has been at least replicated twice.

00:07:26.360 So the core personality traits that appear to be associated with antinatalism are generally dark triad personality traits, but specifically antagonistic narcissism, psychopathic meanness, psychopathic disinhibition, and antagonistic Machiavellianism.

00:07:49.000 I didn't even know that like, wait, so what's the opposite of antagonistic Machiavellianism?

00:07:56.580 I guess like super love-bomby Machiavellianism.

00:07:59.640 Is that me?

00:08:00.340 Is that me?

00:08:01.040 Am I love-bomby?

00:08:01.820 Maybe, maybe.

00:08:02.540 So this article that I was just quoting from came from dark personality traits and antinatalist beliefs, the mediating role of primal world beliefs.

00:08:12.500 And then the other article that looked into this, specifically this other article found Machiavellianism, narcissism, and psychopathy were the primary traits that predicted antinatalist belief systems.

00:08:24.120 And then secondarily was depression.

00:08:26.060 But you often found them together.

00:08:27.900 Yeah, and the difference is that we had thought that depression was first and foremost the big correlatory factor.

00:08:34.060 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:08:34.580 You needed to be a narcissistic psychopath. 1.00

00:08:37.560 And if you are a narcissistic psychopath and depressed, you're likely to be an antinatalist. 1.00

00:08:41.220 You're a sad, narcissistic psychopath. 1.00

00:08:44.900 But it's something I actually see. 1.00

00:08:48.040 No, and I think that this is a thing when we're talking about the people we met and stuff like that, Simone.

00:08:52.740 And this can, I think for a lot of people, they hear antinatalist beliefs.

00:08:56.720 And there is this like really, really flimsy justification for antinatalism.

00:09:02.000 If anybody wants to hear our argument as to why it's not, like why we go deep into the logic of antinatalism, you can watch our video, these people want everyone dead and are weirdly reasonable about it.

00:09:13.400 Or just, you know, look up the antinatalism video for Basecamp.

00:09:16.660 And we go deep on that.

00:09:19.060 But I always felt kind of uncomfortable with it.

00:09:21.860 Because when I go over the arguments antinatalism, it is so logically sort of shaky and really contrived that I sort of have this feeling like, how are people arriving at this belief?

00:09:35.940 And I was like, well, there must be a large amount of depressed people in the community, which there are, like objectively, if you look at what antinatalist posts there are.

00:09:43.280 But I was still pretty confused.

00:09:46.700 Now when I'm looking at how common narcissism and psychopathy are within the community, it really explains things for me. 0.87

00:09:55.820 So imagine you are just like an incredibly narcissistic person.

00:10:00.380 And anyone who has met with or known narcissistic people, people who have narcissism, even if they're fairly smart people, it's a psychological condition that makes it almost impossible for them to genuinely consider the world from another person's perspective.

00:10:15.600 And so you have this inability to genuinely consider.

00:10:21.020 And what does it mean to consider things from another person's perspective?

00:10:23.620 Because I think that people hear this and they don't understand what I'm saying.

00:10:25.960 Like a narcissistic person could hear this and be like, I think about things from other people's perspectives all the time.

00:10:31.820 And it's like, no.

00:10:32.680 When a narcissist tries to think about the world from another person's perspective, they just clone their own personality and their own intentions onto the other person.

00:10:42.640 That's what I do.

00:10:43.580 So they don't consider, well, you don't, we'll talk about how you don't actually do that in a second, because I think that you're being overly disingenuous, not giving yourself enough credit.

00:10:54.280 They are not good at considering that an outside person might genuinely have different ideas and motivations in them.

00:11:03.180 They say, what would have driven me to that position?

00:11:06.760 And then they use that to model the individual.

00:11:09.620 And so if you are someone, go on.

00:11:14.080 Yeah. 0.97

00:11:14.740 But if you are a deeply depressed person and you also have this narcissistic personality. 0.96

00:11:21.300 Oh, then of course, everyone wants to die or not exist. 0.99

00:11:25.840 Everyone wishes they were never born.

00:11:27.320 But he tells you, I don't actually want to die.

00:11:29.780 I really love my life.

00:11:31.480 You are incapable of losing them.

00:11:33.860 Yeah.

00:11:35.020 Because of this psychological problem that they have.

00:11:39.060 So, so this is why narcissism is so elevated within the community.

00:11:43.320 It's it's, you've got this depressed population and depression is really high within the urban monoculture, because for reasons we've talked about in other videos, you can look up like the cult of psychologists episode we've done.

00:11:52.440 If you want more on that, but, you know, people who are far progressives are much more likely to be depressed because they've stripped out a lot of their traditional sort of emotional infrastructure.

00:12:03.060 And then they become susceptible to a lot of these memetic sets, which prey on sort of their depression, like the modern day psychologist movement, which psychologists used to be great.

00:12:13.580 Not anymore.

00:12:14.180 You can go to our video.

00:12:15.160 Is psychology a cult?

00:12:16.100 I don't know.

00:12:16.440 Were they?

00:12:16.840 Because like, I just feel like it went from Freud to like where we are now.

00:12:20.300 No, no, no, no.

00:12:20.920 There was an intermediate stage.

00:12:22.040 I know the golden age of cognitive behavior.

00:12:24.660 They warned us against all of the stuff psychologists are doing today.

00:12:28.760 They're like, there was a period in the 70s when people accidentally created dependency with their patients.

00:12:33.100 Yeah.

00:12:33.500 Don't do that, but it appears.

00:12:34.960 Well, and then in the 60s and 50s, it was still all psychoanalysis.

00:12:38.440 Maybe it was Jungian, but still like that's not.

00:12:40.560 No, no, there was a period from like 80s, 90s, early aughts, I think.

00:12:47.500 When it was all CBT.

00:12:49.220 Yeah, CBT.

00:12:50.020 CBT is fantastic.

00:12:50.820 It's like the one bright spot.

00:12:52.960 Okay, I don't think that counts.

00:12:54.320 Okay, no, hold on, but we got to go back to where we were talking about here.

00:12:57.700 We've done other videos on this other stuff, and people can watch that if that's what they're interested in.

00:13:03.240 So you're out there, and you are depressed, and you have this narcissistic personality trait.

00:13:09.020 You are unable to believe that other people like their lives, and you are unable to genuinely accept their perception and their arguments about why life is worth living.

00:13:18.700 Because you personally, and this is common when a person has clinical depression, you personally are unable to see the genuine positives of being alive.

00:13:28.200 But then the question would be like, yeah, but it's not just narcissism that this has a heavy overlap with.

00:13:34.420 It's also psychopathy and Machiavellianism.

00:13:37.380 And it's like, well, yes, because there's individuals who hear this, and they're like, okay, everyone else is just faking being happy. 0.96

00:13:48.260 The world sucks, right? 0.99

00:13:49.420 But then it takes a special type of psychopathy to then think, so we should kill everyone. 1.00

00:13:56.420 I should make it my life goal, and I will be a hero if I champion the death of all humans. 1.00

00:14:03.620 And when I say kill everyone— 1.00

00:14:04.760 Well, now, only a small minority does. 0.97

00:14:06.340 We have to be clear that most antinatalists just don't want any more humans to exist.

00:14:12.020 So they want to basically end humanity, but not necessarily kill all living humans.

00:14:15.500 Again, I think this is you believing what people are saying to you as a kind face and not—

00:14:21.800 If you look at what they say behind the scenes, and I will post a clip here of the leading female antinatalist in the world, what does she say? 0.78

00:14:30.520 She says, if I could press a button, and it would kill all humans today, even if it meant they had to die by being skinned alive, I would still press that button.

00:14:40.840 Yeah, so look, in the interest of the end, if you could end suffering tomorrow, yeah, probably anything is justifiable.

00:14:50.160 Inflicting just about anything is probably justifiable.

00:14:53.080 Imposing just about anything is probably justifiable if you can end it.

00:14:58.580 If there's literally you can guarantee no more ouch ever again, then there probably isn't a big enough ouch you could make that wouldn't be justified in the interest of that end, probably by any means necessary.

00:15:13.980 Like, if I found out tomorrow that the only way that sentient extinction could possibly happen was skinning all the living things alive slowly, I'd hate it.

00:15:28.040 But I would say that it's what we have to do.

00:15:30.960 I'm totally on board with the idea that the only thing that really matters is the suffering coming to a finality.

00:15:41.220 So, yeah, anything in the interest of that, if you can guarantee that, even despite whatever imposition or nastiness might be necessary.

00:15:57.300 Yes.

00:15:57.900 You, you, you, they, when they're talking to you, they're in nice mode, Simone.

00:16:04.760 People aren't naturally confrontational with other people.

00:16:08.440 And I think that you, because you have such a, well, then why, why when people are kidnapping other people, does it just go like, little miss, why don't you just step into this car, please?

00:16:18.740 I mean, I don't know.

00:16:19.600 I think kidnappers are actually nicer to their victims than you would think, especially after they've been with the kidnapper for a while.

00:16:25.420 This is how you get things like the John Burnett Ramsey.

00:16:28.420 I want to say what's her name?

00:16:30.520 Is that John Burnett Ramsey?

00:16:32.380 I'm sorry.

00:16:33.960 No, it's the child.

00:16:36.700 Is it Katie Hurst?

00:16:37.680 Is it Katie Hurst?

00:16:38.200 Stockholm Syndrome.

00:16:39.340 No, Stockholm.

00:16:40.520 Oh my God, this bothers me, Simone.

00:16:42.040 Oh, you're thinking about Hurst.

00:16:43.220 Yes, yes.

00:16:43.820 You're thinking about Hurst.

00:16:45.060 Yeah.

00:16:45.320 Hurst is a real example of what is called Stockholm Syndrome.

00:16:48.840 I know.

00:16:49.500 However, Stockholm Syndrome, the event in Stockholm that people attribute to Stockholm Syndrome is not a real example of Stockholm Syndrome.

00:17:00.200 Really?

00:17:01.200 Yes.

00:17:01.720 The cops really were trying to get the people killed.

00:17:04.880 Like, if you watch it as an outsider, the cops really did not care about the lives of the people who were in the hostage situation.

00:17:12.320 They did almost get them killed.

00:17:14.840 And the people in the hostage situation had every right to be identifying with their hostage takers over the police.

00:17:21.920 That's interesting.

00:17:23.220 Hurst is a very different situation.

00:17:25.000 She actually did just decide to join the psychopath who had kidnapped her.

00:17:29.620 Maybe he was hot.

00:17:30.800 I don't remember how we...

00:17:31.920 Actually, I'm going to look him up.

00:17:33.340 Hurst?

00:17:33.760 Kidnapper?

00:17:35.400 Oh, my God.

00:17:36.240 Because, well, I mean, with this women... 1.00

00:17:37.800 Because I don't know.

00:17:38.300 Like, I don't know if Stockholm Syndrome can't be a thing if it was a really hot kidnapper.

00:17:43.560 Right.

00:17:47.100 Why are there not images coming up of him right away?

00:17:49.720 It's just her.

00:17:50.480 I want to see him.

00:17:53.740 This is so lame.

00:17:56.120 I wonder how many women would be like, also have this thought, like, well, if he was hot enough... 0.99

00:18:01.420 But seriously, like, then it doesn't count.

00:18:03.580 It was just, like, a hot, powerful guy.

00:18:05.320 Of course she's going to go for him anyway.

00:18:06.940 I can't find pictures, so forget it.

00:18:08.100 Anyway.

00:18:08.800 So you are fantastic, someone.

00:18:10.600 I love it.

00:18:11.080 But I find this really interesting.

00:18:15.620 And I think it tells us a lot about the antinatalist movement.

00:18:20.180 Because, you know, I have that one video where I go through and I'm reading, like, antinatalist subreddits and they're talking about how we need to kill everyone and how we...

00:18:28.840 And you here, of course, as an outsider, are like, oh, they can't possibly mean that, right?

00:18:32.880 Because a psychologically sound person wouldn't think like that.

00:18:38.400 And so here you are thinking that these are psychologically...

00:18:43.320 And keep in mind, like, psychopaths are very good at being affable with other people.

00:18:49.000 This is how serial killers work, right?

00:18:52.160 Like, you're here being like, oh, but the clown man was so nice, you know?

00:18:57.460 He performed at our kids.

00:18:59.020 He can't possibly be the serial killer.

00:19:01.620 Whereas what you're actually seeing with the antinatalist community is what could essentially be thought of as a community of serial killers, basically.

00:19:10.200 That has gotten together and is sharing ideas with each other.

00:19:12.900 And I think that when you take into account...

00:19:16.540 And this is why, like, if you look at our video logically arguing against antinatalism, and our points, I think, are just rock solid.

00:19:22.960 I think if it was really logic that was driving them to this perception, that that video would have persuaded far more of them to deconvert from antinatalism than it did.

00:19:33.360 I do not think it is logic.

00:19:35.620 I think it is justification.

00:19:37.100 Justification of something they want to believe, and so they go at it, and they're like, how can I make this belief system justifiable for myself?

00:19:45.880 But I do not think that antinatalism is a belief system that is ever reached by logic.

00:19:50.660 Because the logical arguments just aren't very good. 0.94

00:19:53.180 Like, the asymmetry argument is garbage.

00:19:55.920 And again, you can watch our video on this. 0.90

00:19:58.260 And antinatalists also seem to have trouble engaging with logical arguments.

00:20:03.100 So here's an example.

00:20:04.320 I feel like all they ever do is engage in at least performatively logical arguments.

00:20:08.980 Yeah, but that's the thing.

00:20:09.820 They're performatively logical arguments that are very bad.

00:20:13.280 So you had an antinatalist reach out to you, and you got so annoyed by it because it was just such a bad argument.

00:20:18.300 He goes like, well, what's the difference between giving birth to someone and going up behind them and injecting them with drugs?

00:20:27.280 Right?

00:20:27.860 And you're like, well, consent.

00:20:29.960 And he's like, what?

00:20:30.820 But the person didn't consent to be born.

00:20:33.160 And it's like, yeah, but they can end their lives whenever they want.

00:20:36.600 And then he's basically like, yeah, but I don't want to deal with that.

00:20:39.540 That's basically the response to you can end your life whenever you want within the antinatalist community is, wait, you're saying I have to take personal responsibility for my actions as they relate to myself?

00:20:51.760 And it's like, yes.

00:20:54.720 Yes, you do.

00:20:56.200 What are you waiting for, huh?

00:20:59.640 What are you waiting for?

00:21:02.580 What are you waiting for?

00:21:05.740 What am I waiting for?

00:21:07.200 What am I waiting for?

00:21:09.200 What are you waiting for? 1.00

00:21:11.180 Fuck you! 1.00

00:21:12.980 Oh, my God. 1.00

00:21:16.140 Like, the level of narcissistic sociopathy that would deny life to another person who would want to live just because you personally would prefer to kill yourself but don't want to take the responsibility of killing yourself, to me, is just this insane level of sociopathy.

00:21:38.480 Which is very surprising to me that, like, and, well, not surprising to me, these studies helped me understand why we have such trouble getting through to the antinatalist community with logical arguments.

00:21:52.240 Because it was never based on logic to begin with.

00:21:54.600 It was always a psychiatric condition.

00:21:57.940 But a dangerous and common psychiatric condition within the urban monoculture.

00:22:01.760 Yeah, but at the same time, like, this is, this both sounds very dire, but also, in the end, could be very hopeful, assuming that these people don't change their stance and have a ton of kids, because then this is just a selective pressure against anti-

00:22:18.520 Dark triad traits?

00:22:19.100 Yeah, dark triad traits that are not pro-social, that are not on the whole good for society.

00:22:24.280 So, I mean, yay, isn't it fortunate that a lot of people with dark triad traits are also going to be- 0.99

00:22:30.520 Self-sterilizing?

00:22:31.120 Yeah, I mean-

00:22:32.680 Well, actually, so this gets more interesting than the point that you're making, and I want to elaborate on the concept.

00:22:39.160 So, I also think that child support has done a lot to promote the reduction of dark triad traits. 1.00

00:22:46.460 Oh, because you can't just, like, get a woman pregnant and, like, walk away and not have to worry about it. 0.99

00:22:52.080 Yeah.

00:22:52.580 So, historically, if you look at women, there is some attraction to dark triad personality traits, as you were talking about, was a kidnapper thing, right? 0.52

00:22:58.820 Like, powerful men with dark triad personality traits.

00:23:01.120 In a historical context, we're more attractive to women who wanted random flings.

00:23:05.680 And the red pill will never let you forget it.

00:23:07.660 Right.

00:23:09.600 Now, it's not useful, like, it's not a useful genetic strategy for a male, particularly these days.

00:23:15.080 And somebody is like, well, what do you mean by that?

00:23:16.520 It's because the women who will allow you to sleep with them, if they're, like, not interested in marrying you, are typically the low-caliber women, both intellectually, attractiveness, and other genetic qualities-wise. 1.00

00:23:30.180 And then the high-caliber women, they have a reason to be much more selective about this. 1.00

00:23:34.960 So, even when they are getting pregnant, they're typically selecting the sperm donor based on traits like prosociality.

00:23:41.600 But if you're talking about, and this is, by the way, when women select sperm donors, prosociality is one of the core traits they look for in research. 1.00

00:23:48.540 Totally.

00:23:48.920 This is, like, a well-studied thing.

00:23:50.060 But if you are one of these men who just, like, sleeps around, and you have this Machiavellianism and narcissism and sociopathy, other drug triad traits, you, because you just genuinely don't care about other people or the world or your potential kids, you are not interested in getting other people pregnant.

00:24:08.020 Because now there is huge negative consequences to you due to child support, at least insofar as you are, to any extent, successful.

00:24:15.440 Now, if you are a very low genetic quality male, there's not as much risk to you.

00:24:19.940 So, I think that these men are still sleeping around and within these communities, dark triad personality traits will persist.

00:24:25.500 But what we're seeing now is among the mini-partner strategy that used to keep these traits stable was in populations.

00:24:33.200 There is much less reason for these individuals to breed.

00:24:36.260 And even within these people who might have now turned to more monogamous relationships and stuff like that, which are now joining the antinatalist movement, they're also being selected out of the population.

00:24:45.440 Which, to me, leads me to believe that future human populations are going to be dramatically more pro-social and more empathetic than human populations in the world today.

00:24:56.800 Interesting. Very interesting.

00:24:59.600 But also, if people know our other research on genetic selection, they're also going to be much more tribalistic and much more xenophobic.

00:25:06.200 So, basically, you're going to have affable religious people who are very nice to anyone who they see as a cultural ally or within their community, and then who wants to kill everyone else in the world. 0.99

00:25:23.200 Well, I mean, so do you have any thoughts on these studies?

00:25:29.580 Because, I mean, I was really surprised.

00:25:31.660 This is not, you know, I genuinely didn't expect to find...

00:25:35.580 It's surprising because most people refer to pronatalists as narcissists.

00:25:40.520 Like, oh, you're just trying to spam the world with your children, right?

00:25:44.080 That's the constant accusation that we see for anyone who has a lot of kids.

00:25:49.260 Oh, you're just so obsessed with yourself that you just, you know...

00:25:51.580 So, yeah, it is a little surprising.

00:25:55.940 Also because a really common way in which people hear about narcissistic individuals is in the context of, like, narcissistic parents who are really damaging to the lives of their children.

00:26:06.740 So you just, I don't know, like, I think it's much more common in someone's evoked set to think about narcissists and, like, of self-obsessed people as being more likely to be a parent, which is surprising, but...

00:26:22.100 Well, something I would encourage if people doubt this or are interested in learning about the antinatalist community, genuinely, just look up their YouTube channels.

00:26:30.040 Watch them talk for a bit, and I'd suggest if you have a good ability at reading people, watch their eyes and watch their micro-expressions and face.

00:26:39.260 So I am, as people...

00:26:40.080 Who thought micro-expressions were largely debunked?

00:26:43.120 So, kind of.

00:26:46.160 People who are very good at reading other people typically rely on these sorts of expressions, but I don't know if they can be scientifically studied very easily.

00:26:54.660 But as our audience may know, if they don't, is you are clinically autistic.

00:26:58.220 You are very, very, very bad at reading people who just are, like, are they nice to me or are they mean to me and what are they saying?

00:27:07.180 If they're nice to me and saying something, then they must be being honest.

00:27:10.760 Whereas I am very, very good at reading people to, like, an insane amount.

00:27:15.600 Too much.

00:27:16.660 Too much.

00:27:17.460 It's painful to you.

00:27:19.160 It's painful to me how good I am at reading people.

00:27:21.460 Yeah.

00:27:21.880 Because I have a really high amount of empathy, and it does hurt me a bit.

00:27:25.180 Oh, my God.

00:27:25.660 You're like Edward Cullen in Twilight, where you just keep hearing everyone's thoughts, and you're like, no.

00:27:31.860 And I am like, what's her face?

00:27:34.280 That vapid girl who you can't read my thoughts because I don't have any.

00:27:38.400 And you're like, oh, this is so refreshing.

00:27:40.820 I will actually say that it has been a major part of our relationship, is that I am very, very, very good at reading people.

00:27:47.680 And because of that, I can genuinely, or not genuinely, but generally tell when somebody is manipulating me or attempting to manipulate me.

00:27:55.840 And I think that that's actually pretty common for females in relationships. 1.00

00:28:00.180 Well, and I think also it's very mentally taxing for you to keep modeling people when they behave like that.

00:28:05.020 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:05.480 So I have to, you know, when they're in a fight or they're being pissy, I have to constantly model them.

00:28:09.640 And I find it very mentally taxing.

00:28:11.540 I never have to model you.

00:28:13.260 You are just a complete blank.

00:28:14.920 You are who you are in public, in private.

00:28:18.460 There is never a hidden agenda.

00:28:20.620 And when there is a hidden agenda, it's like for five seconds, and then you crack up laughing and just tell me whatever it is.

00:28:28.200 Like, you are incapable of doing this.

00:28:30.040 I have her do something with it.

00:28:32.800 Yeah, well, I think it's funny.

00:28:34.400 Sometimes my family is like, well, can't you?

00:28:36.660 She must be hiding something.

00:28:37.960 Like, people don't act like that.

00:28:39.140 And I'm like, no, genuinely.

00:28:40.320 Like, if you understood her, you'd understand it is an anathema to her character.

00:28:44.600 There is nothing underneath.

00:28:45.840 But if you go out and you watch these antinatalist channels as somebody who's good at reading people or if you are good at reading people, it's actually kind of obvious in hindsight that they feel this way.

00:28:56.340 There is no antinatalist channel where people are, like on our channel, laughing a lot, affable to each other, right?

00:29:05.900 Like, that seem to genuinely get pleasure out of life.

00:29:08.520 Everything is very calculated and cold and dehumanizing of anyone who is not themselves.

00:29:17.740 Anyway, Simone, I love you and a fun episode.

00:29:20.600 And again, I'm always grateful to our enemies to allow me to know I have made the right choices in life to align myself with people who are nice to me and generally don't try to tear me down.

00:29:31.900 Because the pronatalist community is overwhelmingly nice, except for one guy. 0.98

00:29:38.040 But he doesn't go to the conferences and nobody really talks to him and everyone hates him.

00:29:41.820 Everyone hates him. 0.78

00:29:43.200 They just all recognize that he's a curmudgeon. 0.92

00:29:45.620 That's all.

00:29:48.220 It's a great sound.

00:29:49.480 A curmudgeon.

00:29:50.580 I adore you, Malcolm.

00:29:51.840 And I love that you find these things and talking with you is just way too much fun.

00:29:57.720 It's like a complete highlight of my life.

00:29:59.600 So thank you for...

00:30:00.900 You're a highlight of my life.

00:30:02.980 And I am so excited for dinner with you tonight.

00:30:06.280 Yes.

00:30:06.980 Oh, gosh.

00:30:07.420 I'm thinking about it already.

00:30:10.440 But let's talk more.

00:30:12.840 I love you, though.

Based Camp - February 08, 2024

Scientists Prove Anti-Natalists are Narcissistic Psychopaths

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