Based Camp - September 30, 2025
Secret Civil War on the Left: Gays vs. Muslims vs. Blacks
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Summary
Greta Thornburg's decision to leave the Gaza flotilla and join forces with the Islamic extremists on board is the subject of this episode, as well as a discussion about the growing divide between the left and the anti-racist, anti-colonialist wing of the left.
Transcript
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Hello, Simone! I am excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be using the split
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up of the flotilla that Greta Thornburg was involved in and on the board of over a person
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coming out as gay and then the Muslims on it who were running a lot of stuff was like, well, we
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won't be part of it then. And it's still sort of operational, but it's having a lot of issues.
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We'll be using this as a framing device to talk about what has been happening increasingly over
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just the last couple months, which is a split up or like a forced sort of reconciling in the left
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between, and by the way, we found some video of Greta Thornburg's flotilla here.
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A reconciling of many people thought, and it's sort of like every non-white group largely thought
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that the left was all about centering them, and they're learning that it's not. And while we will
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be talking about, one of the things we'll be talking about is the conflict between the black
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force part of the left and the Palestine part of the left, which is like way more gruesome than you
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would think, specifically because, okay, Simone, are you aware that there are other genocides in
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the world that are significantly larger than, if you consider Gaza a genocide, than what's going on
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in Gaza? Are you aware of this? I mean, nothing's coming up in the news. I couldn't- No, no, no, of course
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nobody's talking about it. None of the leftists are freaking out about it. Greta Thornburg's not doing
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anything about it. But no, there's significant, multiple larger genocides. But the largest genocide in
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the world right now is happening in the Sudan. Do you know who is killing who in this genocide?
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No. Arabs are killing blacks. Oh, no. Oh. And you can say, oh, come on, Malcolm, you must be
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misframing it. So this is from an AI here, because I ask, is this actually true? Yes. The ongoing
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genocide in Sudan, particularly in the Darfur region, largely involves Arab-dominated forces led by the
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Rapid Support Forces, RSF, and allied Arab militias perpetrating systemic atrocities against non-Arab,
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often referred to as Black or African ethnic groups, such as the Malsuti, Furr, and Zagazwi.
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I can't pronounce those. This ethnic dimension is the core driver of the violence. So yeah.
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This is- I remember there being Darfur activists in college. Yeah, so it is possible to protest
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Darfur. We just stopped doing it within the current era of leftist media. Got tired of it?
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Or like, I don't know. Well, no, we didn't get tired of it. This is a completely new conflict
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that's happening in the same region. This is a new one. Okay. So this is not the Darfur of like-
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Well, obviously they're connected, but it's a new genocide. Yes. It is. It is mass murder of
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children, mass graves, really horrifying stuff. And then people will be like, well, we're not funding
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this one. And it's like, well, buckle up, buddy, because guess who is funding them? The UAE. And they're
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doing it to get rid of the blacks in the region so that they can control the ports more easily
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and use it to export gold. Because I think they can get like 80% of the gold from the region or
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something. We're not going to go too far into that. But throughout this, what you will find,
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and I think that many people, they see like one dimension here where they're like, they see the
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Gaza-Palestine thing. And they're like, this is at odds with leftist views around gay rights,
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which we'll get into. And it is. But I think they miss how sort of unilaterally antithetical
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to most purported urban monoculture and leftist values. The Arab community, and specifically,
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obviously, Arab communities are different and there's diversity within the communities.
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But I'm talking about dominant beliefs in these communities are towards their other agendas,
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like helping, for example, black people. And I think that we're sort of coming to a head.
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We're also going to talk about what has recently happened, which is a widespread movement of
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LGB organizations that are splitting from trans organizations and many activists
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recently with this idea that they are going to push like a divorce or a forced separating.
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To go to the gay stuff, because you're like, how, you know, anti-gay is a place like Gaza, okay?
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So in 2000, there were four Palestinians killed in the Gaza West Bank for just being gay,
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which led to a lot of gay people in Gaza to flee to Israel where they were accepted for asylum
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to protect themselves from the Gazans. If the Gazans controlled, like Jerusalem, for example,
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the gay people in Jerusalem would be killed. They're able to go there for protection now because
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they are killed in Gaza. Now, what's really wild here is we actually have like quite detailed like
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torture and murder of gay people because of captured records that they have found
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of a senior Hamas commander in Gaza who was arrested, beaten, placed in solitary confinement
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before being murdered, predominantly because he was found to be gay. Other captured documents
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revealed that they tortured and killed two other gay members specifically for, and I love this
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because this is extensively documented in Hamas's own records.
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That these two people were killed because they gay-graped some of the Israeli captives, which implies
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that regular graping must have been very common if they thought they could get away with gay
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graping in an Islamic. Like, I love when people are like, oh, no, no, no, no, even though the
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hostages have said, yes, rape is very common among the hostages.
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Yeah, but they're like, it's fine. Just don't, don't be gay about it.
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By the way, for the other of you, if you want to get an idea of like the scale of the various
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genocides that we're looking at in the world right now, the one that is Arabs killing blacks in the
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Sudan, there have been around 150,000 deaths and around 12 million people are displaced with 11
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million internal displacement, 3 million refugees. And then if you look at the next biggest, which is
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again, not the Gaza war, it's the DRC Eastern conflict, it's had around 100,000 casualties,
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7 million refugees. And then if you look at the Gaza war, if you consider this a genocide,
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it has just 64,300 casualties, which, which, which would make it about half the size of what's going
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on in the Sudan right now, but only around 1.9 million people. And keep in mind, like this is,
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this is still a lot of people. I'm not saying that this is a good thing. Yeah, any death is tragic.
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But if, if we're talking about effective altruism or tackling the, the biggest,
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the biggest atrocities in terms of- Would it be much easier to end the Sudan conflict than it would
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be to end the, the conflict that we're dealing with in Israel and Gaza right now? Like it's a much
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more realistic thing to do. And this is why when you talk about something like Greta Thornburg,
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and I, and I think this is really telling, and I want to get into the psychology of this,
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why does she climate activists decide one day not to address the biggest genocides in the world?
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And people will be like, well, just because the genocide's happening in another region,
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doesn't mean you can't be talking about a genocide in, in this region, right?
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Well, isn't she supposed to be the id of the left? I mean-
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Right. Yeah. Well, she is kind of, but I, but what I want to find here is when a leftist is like,
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well, you can't complain about the genocide here and then say that like, we shouldn't be talking
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about the genocide here. And I'm like, I'm not saying that, right? But the problem is,
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I can go to your tweets. I can look at what your sort of lieutenants are doing,
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your Greta Thornburgs, and not a one of them. I mean, I would argue that the tweets that the
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Sudan conflict is getting, despite being significantly larger, is probably 0.5% of the
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tweets that Gaza gets from leftist activists. So the question is, is why don't you talk about it
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when it's Arabs killing blacks? Why do you talk about it when it's Jews killing Arabs?
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Like, and, and Arab, and I'll put a clip on the screen here. It's in another language,
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but, but for context here, so you, you, you don't actually have to read the full saying,
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this is the Palestinian analyst, Monar Shakif on Al Jazeera TV. So mainstream TV, you know,
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in the Middle East, and they're even talking about this there. He, he pointed out that more people
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have been killed in the Sudan and Gaza in the past two years. But he then goes on to say,
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but nobody cares about them because the blood of Palestinians is precious. You don't see people
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They believe that there is a belief. And I'll note this to somebody who, he said,
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against, like, Black people in those countries.
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But if you are among, like, upper-class educated people,
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There's a much more open disdain in those communities
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The young Black boy in that clip, his name is Joshua Malito Malau.
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He was a Tanzanian student who was in Israel studying agriculture
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so that he could learn and take it home to his family, help his country.
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They knew he wasn't Jewish, they knew he wasn't Israeli, they didn't care.
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and then shot him several times in the head after they killed him.
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This is how Hamas and the broader Islamic Jihadist world feels about Africans,
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which is why they enslaved them by the millions across the African continent,
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And people will be like, well, you know, you can't blame a community just for what it's,
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And we'll get into, well, it's not just the elites.
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There have been campaigns in some of these countries of going around and lynching people
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If you are thinking to yourself, well, you know, my fellow activists are just unaware
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that there is a giant other genocide of Arabs killing black people.
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And, and that is why they're not protesting it.
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And I'd be like, well, somebody in your movement is educated, right?
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Like there's somebody at the top of your movement.
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Why is it that the people at the top of your movement in terms of the information
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they're filtering down to people under them, when it can be used to villainize Jews,
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When that information could be used to protect black communities,
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You have to ask yourself, what does that show about their actual values?
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Before I go further, do you want any, any comments here about sort of what's going on
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And, and I think that the right did a very good job of sort of forcing the left for a long
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time, like, look at it, look at what they do to gays, but we haven't done the same with
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And I think we need to do the same with blacks as well.
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I mean, what, what I, I appreciate about the, the way that actually several people,
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I don't know if this is just a trending idea right now who followed this podcast have
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spoken with us or, or DM desk or emailed us about this, this reality that they're seeing
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that basically the only actually woke people who are woke, who identify as woke are, are
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white because every other group is just an interest group or, or specifically, I should
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say white, cis, non-disabled people, because everyone else is just a special interest group.
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And as soon as it comes up in the movement, that it's their interest group versus the
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And if those come into conflict in any way, then it just starts to fall apart.
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And I had never even considered that that could be-
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Crack maybe one we were dealing with recently, who's like super woke.
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And the moment like crack came up, she thought she was like the queen of Shiba, like, like
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Prince Ali walking into a place, getting to shut other people down in the conversation.
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And just, just look very buffoonish in context.
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I'm not going to go too into it, but it, it, you see this, right?
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Like that's, that's why they're a part of this because they think that they are afforded special
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And in the moment that you're not afforded special status, you try to attack whatever group
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I, I had, I had believed I'd labored under the impression that every member of the woke
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contingency contributed equally to the, the game of intersectionality and would defer appropriately
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to whatever like was considered to be the most worthy cause or subgroup or in need subgroup
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And then all this information has been sent to us on how that is not actually the case and
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sort of like gay rights or black rights versus Palestine is just one of, it turns out quite
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And I just, it's mind blowing to me because I, I didn't, I really didn't understand that,
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that this was just a mostly it's, it's a, it's a very varied supremacy culture.
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With one, like, like with a substrate that is willing to consistently put itself at the
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I mean, if they're in it long enough, all of a sudden now they're genderqueer or now they're,
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They're neurodiverse or now they're, you know, that's, that's the way it works.
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But I want to go into this, this more like this, this Arab black conflict is part of
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this because this just getting to this and we'll probably do another episode where we
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And I personally knew that Arabs are like racist against black people more than other
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But I didn't realize that like generally whenever they get the chance, they start trying to
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And I think that like, this needs to be part of the discourse more maybe.
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So if this is actually a thing, I just, no one's ever talked to me about it.
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So we talked about this in Sudan during the first and second Sudanese wars.
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That you were talking about the Darfur conflict that you heard about 1955 to 2005.
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An estimated 2.5 to 3.5 million black indigenous Africans were killed or ethnically cleansed
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Then in Mauritania, despite slavery's official ban in 1981, codified in 2007.
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So in Mauritania, slavery wasn't banned until 2007.
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Even today, 10 to 20% of the population remains enslaved.
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And it is almost universally the darker skin Mauritanians or the black Mauritanians.
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And they were very, very big in the slave trade, obviously, you know, the Barbary Coast and everything
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So in Egypt, former President Anwar Sadar, a Nubian, so black, faced racial insults for
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appearing, quote unquote, not Egyptian enough, dubbed Nasser's Black Poodle.
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Soccer player Sadiqa quit national play as fans chanted racial slurs and displayed a back dog on
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Sudanese refugees and darker skinned Egyptians report daily bias discrimination and abuse.
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Libya, 2000, anti-African riots saw black migrants and called them, oh, by the way,
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I should note in Darfur, when they mass murder people, the general slur that is used by the Arabs
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So that's sort of like in their language, the N-word, but like even more direct.
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So you get an idea of what the vibe is here, people.
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Libya, in 2000, anti-African riots saw black migrants called quote unquote slaves and quote
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During the 2011 Civil War, Amnesty International documented massacres of black Libyans and
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sub-Saharan Africans solely based on skid color.
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In Morocco, the Trab-Saharan slave trade's legacy endures with black Moroccans derogatorily
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This is not like, you know, in the U.S., you don't actually get racial slurings anymore.
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This is a normal part of daily life of being black in one of these countries.
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And they still have the segregation on school buses, sub-Saharan migrants and other forms
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I want to lift this because they keep saying, well, just because there's a genocide in one
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region doesn't mean I can't talk about a genocide in another region.
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And you then have to say, well, except this genocide is about twice the size, easier to
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And you're not talking about it even 1% the amount you're talking about the other region.
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Like Greta Thornburg effing went, tried to like go to to Gaza, you know, did the whole
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thing, was arrested, refused to watch any of the videos of the atrocities that took place
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that day because I'm just refusing to be educated on the topic, was sent back by Israel, goes
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Could she not have done like, if you're doing this for multiple years, why not do one year
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But to continue here, and the reason I'm pointing all this out is I'm not pointing out that like,
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Arabs are intrinsically racist or anything like that.
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But what I am saying is Arabs have a distinct culture that is unique to their regions as
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distinct as American and Korean and American and Japanese, and you might have disagreements
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But I think everybody has a right to their individual culture.
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But I think it's also important to recognize when aspects of a culture that are normative
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within a region are antagonistic to your stated objective.
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Like when you're like, okay, we'll all get together and we won't fight for a little bit
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just to get the conflict resolved in this particular region, right?
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It's important to note if everyone of the group that you're trying to save is like,
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and once we have our arms freed up again, let's start funding those Sudanese.
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Right now we're splitting our money, you know, we can expand our influence in Africa as well.
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You know, and that I think it's also useful for conservatives who are fooled by the progressive
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rhetoric and do not understand how much we have in common with, in terms of our goals,
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with Christian Africans, for sort of the planet, for humanity.
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This is a group that is very easy for us to work with.
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And in many cases, even, even Muslim Africans, I'll point out here that the,
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when I, when I talk about Arabs murdering blacks in these regions,
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I'm not talking about, while they, while they do happen to be Muslims, it is important to note
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that they are murdering the Africans, not because of their religion,
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but because of their skin color. They don't really care if they're Muslim or not.
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Not that that makes it better, but it is an important note.
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Okay. So you were under the impression that the flotilla thing, because this is what the
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flotilla is trying to say is, oh, it's not because they're gay.
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It's not because we have a bunch of Muslims who refuse to work with gays.
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Yeah. And if anybody here is listening to this and they're like, why do you need to point out the
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racism that's normalized within many Arab communities?
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It's because it is framed today within leftist rhetoric that a white population.
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So let's say Northern European populations are racist, vile people, right?
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And what I'm pointing out here is, and this is important, that the amount of racism that you
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are going to see in any country dominated by a Northern Europeans is absolutely astronomically
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minuscule anti-black racism when contrasted with the amount you're going to see in any country
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dominated by Arabs. And this isn't to say Arabs are worse.
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Like people have a right to ethno preferences, but I think that there's this like delusion,
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right? That these two groups are friends in some way.
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And I note here, if you're a black person and you're watching this and you believe that Egypt
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used to be black, it's more complicated than a lot of people make it seem. There were periods
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where Nubians had control or whatever, but suppose you do believe that Egypt used to be black.
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You got to ask yourself why it's Arab now then. Why, why do black people who go there,
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that would imply that somebody got rid of all the black people who used to live in Egypt.
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I, was it, was it Yacoub? What did they call him? Yacouba or whatever? The, the,
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the one from the. Oh, the evil one. Yeah. Who made white people. Yeah. Who made white people.
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What was it him? It was Yacoub, right? Yacoub, Yacoub. Or, or you could say it's the
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populations that are there right now that got rid of the original population. Now that, that isn't
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actually what happened. Although there was large and, and violent Arab migrations into
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Northern Africa, but the populations that were there before are not what many people would
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have considered black Africa. It doesn't necessarily matter. Anyway, to continue here,
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GF. I'm just pointing out that even from their own propaganda questions should be coming up.
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Mike, if North Africa used to be black, why isn't it black now? And the people who are living there
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who aren't black probably have something to do with that. Again, that's not exactly what happened.
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And a lot of this happened a long time ago. And Egypt is one of the, the less racist of the countries
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that we're talking about. Although a black soccer player quit due to the amount of racism he dealt with
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in the country. So like it's, it's there. Yeah. GSF co-coordinator Khalid Bajami announced his resignation,
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in protest at the presence of LGBT activists in the flotilla, including Safi Adi, who identified
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as a queer activist. He said, quote, we were lied to about the identity of some of the participants
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in the vanguard of the flotilla. I accused the organizers of having a hidden aspect from us,
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end quote. He complained in two streams on social media. Other figures, including activist Marin Meftin
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and presenter Samir Alfei, condemned what they saw as an attempt to impose culturally progressive
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agenda unrelated to the Palestinian cause, describing it as a, quote, red line crossed,
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end quote, and an attack on, quote, societal values, end quote. And note, they didn't like
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try to make this about promoting gay agenda or anything, right? Like they're, they didn't like
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confuse gay agenda with the agenda tied to Palestine. Just a person who was on one of the boats
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happened to be gay. He wasn't like doing gay stuff. He wasn't like hitting on them or promoting gay
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stuff while they were doing it. He just existed as a gay person on not their boat, one of the boats.
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Well, he didn't hide it. Like his Instagram bio is rainbow communist queer militant based in Tunisia
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from the river to the sea. But he did say queer and there was a rainbow. So he wasn't hiding it.
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Yeah. Okay. So here's a great quote from one of them who left over this. This is Al-Wafi.
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Quote, Palestine is first and foremost, the cause of Muslims. It cannot be separated from its spiritual
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and religious dimensions, with Jerusalem at the heart of its symbols and destiny.
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So why involve in it dubious activists serving other agendas that do not concern us and have
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nothing to do with Gaza, such as homosexuality, exclamation, question mark. And, and note here,
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again, he wasn't like promoting homosexuality. He just existed as a gay person. They're like,
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you don't understand how important it is that we kill gay people.
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Yeah. His plan wasn't to go and provide aid and then turn Palestine gay or anything.
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Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. But there, but I think that this is the thing,
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the progressives think that this is what's going to happen and they don't understand that they're
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not breeding. They're not really relevant. They're sort of idiotic patsies for other people's agenda.
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And we, those of us who are breeding and think about the future need to be aware of where our potential
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allies are and where are the groups that are most likely to ally against us. Even if we are
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temporarily allied with them for now. And I think conservatives in the United States,
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my brother in Christ, black Christian Africans are one of our strongest potential allies going into
00:26:32.600
the future. They are a, a high fertility group. They may not be high technology or, or high industry
00:26:38.680
right now, but that doesn't mean that we aren't going to still benefit from having allies in some
00:26:45.000
regions that are very, very populous. And there are also regions that historically like conservative
00:26:51.400
Americans. If you are unaware, Bush, for example, is very, very popular in Africa.
00:27:00.120
Yeah. W. Bush is extremely popular in Africa. And I will note here, if you're like...
00:27:06.840
It's because of his work on a lot of things. Yeah. He, he, he dealt with Africa in a way that
00:27:12.040
sort of took them seriously. So if you look at like shutting down USAID and people are like,
00:27:15.960
well, that's going to get Africans to like hate you. And it's like, no, if you actually look at
00:27:18.760
what was happening in these communities where this stuff was being distributed,
00:27:21.400
they thought that they were like being sterilized and stuff. The workers, there's a reason why they
00:27:26.360
talked about how many USAID workers were killed. You don't kill someone who you think is there to help
00:27:30.520
you. They were forcing their views on them in the same way they forced them on us.
00:27:34.840
They don't like this stuff any more than we do, you know? And, and if you're, I don't,
00:27:40.360
I don't want to go too deep on that, on that stuff. But what I'm pointing out here is, is, is,
00:27:44.040
they don't want or need us to be forcing aid down their streets to throats to build alliances with
00:27:52.040
them. That's not the way the African Christian communities are. I won't go too much, but you see
00:27:57.000
Well, so what happened with the flotilla that, that I read was that this sort of really slowed
00:28:07.160
Yeah. She stepped down from her like board position. She still refers to herself as an active
00:28:13.400
supporter and participant, but not in a leadership capacity. So they sort of lost her
00:28:19.320
leadership endorsement. It's, it's not a good look for them. It's not helping the cause.
00:28:24.600
Well, and for me, it was embarrassing to find out that she's still involved with this. She
00:28:28.760
did her thing with the flotilla. She's not getting them more attention now or anything like that.
00:28:33.400
Is this just because she doesn't have a home or something? And she just lives to be an activist.
00:28:36.920
And I love what, so, so she goes around and she, in this piece that I didn't quote it, but she was
00:28:42.680
talking about how I'm not doing this for attention. You know, I'm doing this to get aid for the people
00:28:46.920
in Palestine. This flotilla thing has been operational for like 10 years at this point. They have only once
00:28:52.760
early on, and it was only a fairly small amount, gotten any aid through to the people of Palestine.
00:28:58.600
And they've spent many tens of millions of dollars on operating this. The amount of lives in Palestine
00:29:04.520
they could have saved by actually working to get aid to them instead of playing yacht week with a
00:29:11.880
bunch of other rich kids on, frankly, what looked like pretty expensive boats. You know, I know they're
00:29:17.800
not like super rich people yachts, but they cost a pretty penny when you see these boats and, and
00:29:23.640
getting to do this for years on end, it looks like Greta has. That's a deeply selfish thing to do,
00:29:31.800
a very deeply selfish thing to do, which directly interferes with what you say your goal is.
00:29:38.040
But I love it when she says, because if she says, I'm not doing this for attention,
00:29:41.000
why don't do aid in a way that actually gets it to people? Why not? That sounds good. Yeah,
00:29:47.160
let's do that. Yeah, let's do that. I don't, I don't like that there are people suffering anywhere.
00:29:53.880
Yeah, I, it bothers me when people contribute to nonprofits that are wasteful or efforts that
00:29:59.720
are wasteful. And that's why we're so against any sort of performative action. Are you going to talk
00:30:04.360
about the, the Palestinians versus black activists during the 2020 election? Yeah, yeah, we were,
00:30:13.480
we were sent a clip by someone and I hadn't heard about this, but there was a very real rift on the
00:30:18.120
US left during the 2024 presidential election that crystallized around Kamala Harris's candidacy,
00:30:26.040
because pro Palestine activists felt that Harris was too supportive of Israel and not responsive
00:30:31.320
enough to demands for ending US military aid, which one, I just think shows how I don't like
00:30:39.080
using this word, but how dumb Palestinian activists are. Cause it's like, oh, you think Trump is going
00:30:42.760
to be nicer? Like, have you not heard of, but that is still what Palestine is. It's like either 100% my
00:30:48.440
way exactly or no deal. Well, no, but, but you saw this Israel multiple times and we'll do an episode
00:30:55.560
on this eventually. Just we'll take so much research for the people who are going to complain,
00:30:58.520
but they have offered peaceful solutions to end hostilities in the region. Yeah. And they basically
00:31:05.080
keep getting told. So, so actually I can just read a take up of it. They didn't give them full
00:31:11.080
sovereignty, but again, when they have, militias have come up and they've started murdering nearby
00:31:15.400
Jewish population. So why would you? Yeah. Um, uh, they continue to control the airspace, which,
00:31:20.760
which they, again, why would you do that when they keep bombing you? Yeah. And they, they wouldn't
00:31:26.440
accept that Jerusalem was going, was not going to be a full Palestinian capital versus
00:31:31.240
Yeah. Their demands are unreasonable. And it was also reflected.
00:31:35.000
Yeah. They said, they said, we need control of Jerusalem, which why would they choose to?
00:31:39.640
They're in the position of power here. People like you don't get it. It's, it's
00:31:45.400
they, they, they, they have demanded every time it's come to push to sub. One of the things that we
00:31:50.520
say is, well, we need a rejection of Israel's existence. Like this was in the Hamas charter until 2017.
00:31:55.400
The, the, the, there, there was, if you actually study the history of the region,
00:32:00.600
instead of like what the leftists tell you, there have been multiple completely reasonable
00:32:05.560
offers made to the other side. And they've always been said, no, we want everything back.
00:32:11.240
All of you guys get out. And that's just not realistic.
00:32:15.080
It's, it's, it's delusional. And yet here we are again, it's 2024 election.
00:32:19.880
It's not delusional. It's a, it's a religiously motivated demand.
00:32:23.080
Yeah. I guess it's, it's, it's that they really don't actually care that much about
00:32:28.280
any outcome, but the one outcome that they care about. So they're not gonna,
00:32:32.520
but no, I think even if I want it, like, let's say I, I was like, no, my end game is 100% like
00:32:38.120
in, enslave the Jews in Israel and take over Jerusalem and have complete control of the region.
00:32:44.520
I would still, I would still accept the concessions and creep my way in.
00:32:51.480
No, no, no, no. Because they, they, they, what they were afraid of is if they accepted the concessions
00:32:55.880
and created a two state solution, then other Arab states would recognize Israel, which would.
00:33:01.640
Oh, what? They'd stop funding them or something?
00:33:03.720
Well, no, they, there would be more of a problem if they attacked Israel with the other Arab countries,
00:33:08.920
because they look at a lot of these regions, like your day job, your, your funding coming
00:33:14.040
into this country is like, one of the major industries is being basically an anti-Jewish
00:33:20.120
terrorist. And the money is coming in from that, whether it's from, you know, Qatar or from Iran
00:33:26.280
or from any of the, any of the competing groups, basically the right now, the way, the way things
00:33:31.720
are. And one of the reasons why they don't actually want a two state solution, even the
00:33:34.920
people on the ground is because it is turned Palestine into, Palestine is such a weird word
00:33:41.800
to even call as a thing because Palestine never existed as a state. It existed as a British,
00:33:51.080
Yeah. The British mandate of Palestine was established from 1920 to 1948. So it's only operational
00:33:55.960
for 28 years, was established by the League of Nations after World War I, following the collapse
00:34:00.200
of the Ottoman Empire. No sovereign Palestine state existed during this period. And the British
00:34:06.600
governed the regions. So, so one, even talking about Palestine is weird, but it's basically
00:34:11.320
turned these people who never mattered historically into a central focus of all Arab politics because
00:34:17.800
all of the various Arab factors, whether it's the Qataris or the Iranians or the Saudis or the UAE
00:34:23.160
or Egypt, sort of like change their own social dominance order through the way that they fund
00:34:31.880
the terrorist organizations that are in Palestine right now.
00:34:34.680
Yeah. It's become this really strange proxy thing. Let me just get back to this though,
00:34:39.080
Let me get back to that. The point I was making there is before this, I mean,
00:34:42.280
what was this region? Because, you know, as I established, it was not a Palestinian state. It
00:34:46.280
was a, what was it called? A British mandate, right? And before the British mandate, it was
00:34:53.080
under the Ottoman Empire. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic State of Molochs.
00:34:59.800
Before the Islamic State of the Molochs of Egypt, there was the Ayyub Arab Kurdish Empire. Before that,
00:35:06.040
there was the Yabed Empire. There was, before that, the Frankish Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem.
00:35:12.600
There was, before that, the Umayyad of Fatinid Empires. And then there was, before that, you had
00:35:19.160
the Byzantine Empire. Before that, you had the Sassanids. Before that, you had the Byzantines again.
00:35:26.120
Or some would argue that point, it might have been a separate state. Before that,
00:35:30.520
you had the Hasmoneans. Before that, you had the Seleucid Empire. Before that, you had
00:35:34.920
Alexander the Great. The big point here is you could go back to the Persians, the Babylonians, etc.
00:35:39.480
But there, there was never a meaningful Palestinian state for this sort of population. They were
00:35:46.840
always irrelevant in the wider power struggles. And now they are centered so long as a two-state
00:35:55.000
solution isn't achieved and the fighting doesn't stop. Like I said, they're delusional. But the,
00:36:00.120
the point of what happened here was they, the Palestinian activists basically said,
00:36:04.760
we need to boycott Kamala Harris, which is again, so stupid because she was going to be way more
00:36:12.520
pro-Palestine than Trump would be. And they were like, let's just force Trump to win because that's
00:36:17.480
going to be great. And then, but they, I loved his Riviera of the Middle East.
00:36:23.160
We're going to make the Gaza, the Riviera of the Middle East. Can't we though?
00:36:38.520
Golf courses stretching far and wide. Trump's dreamland by the seaside.
00:36:48.120
A five-star hotel where camels roam. With golden chandeliers in every home.
00:36:56.120
Peace talks on the 18th hole. Diplomacy with a golfing star.
00:37:06.520
Gaza's the new Riviera. Oh, what a sight. Gold towers shining day and night.
00:37:15.720
Golf courses stretching far and wide. Trump's dreamland by the seaside.
00:37:25.720
And naturally, a lot of black people on the left were like, hold on, this, this disrespects
00:37:33.240
the historic significance of the first black woman president. And it underplays black American
00:37:38.520
priorities. And suddenly they found this, this themselves in this position of like, wait,
00:37:43.080
I thought I'm, I'm a black leftist. Like, oh, she's a black woman. Is she at the top of the
00:37:50.440
priority? Yeah. Like, no, I, I, I meant the top of the priority. And then the Palestinians were like,
00:37:55.080
no, I'm at the, the, the top of it. So basically this, this pro Palestinian group, especially though,
00:38:01.720
a bunch of them did this, but the biggest one was called uncommitted movement, notably refused
00:38:06.520
to endorse Harris. It cited her unwillingness to change, to, to change military support for
00:38:10.760
Israel or clearly commit to more forceful pro Palestinian stances. And they, they, they argued
00:38:16.520
that supporting Harris amounted to complicity in Palestinian suffering. So many of the more radical
00:38:22.040
and younger followers posted stuff on social media saying that they weren't going to vote
00:38:27.000
for Kamala Harris, or they were going to vote for third party candidates. And then black activists
00:38:31.560
and voters who of course were, you know, critical of, of us policy in Gaza, because they're on the left.
00:38:40.120
They, they pushed back because they're like, wait, these are coercive attempts by pro
00:38:43.800
Palestinian movements to make Palestine the litmus test for voting. Sometimes they accuse
00:38:49.080
these activists ignoring or minimizing the unique historical struggles of black Americans, which
00:38:54.520
one are real, but two, it's sort of showing of like, well, hold on. I'm used to me being the priority
00:38:59.880
here. What's going on here. Um, and some, some got really frustrated about this.
00:39:04.520
Because we get a lot of people when they watch this and they'll be like, oh, you know, you're
00:39:09.160
overstating Arab views on black people and stuff like this. I literally played for you a clip of
00:39:14.440
Al Jazeera, like a mainstream Arab station with a mainstream Palestinian activist, literally saying
00:39:21.160
black lives don't matter. Yeah. You know, in the US, like when conservatives, when BLM was happening,
00:39:27.160
people were like, well, you know, all lives matter. When people are like black lives matter,
00:39:31.080
the response was no, all human lives matter in, in, in, in this region. It's no, they don't matter.
00:39:39.160
I'm sorry. They certainly don't matter as much as Palestinian lives.
00:39:42.280
Yeah. And it's interesting that in this online debate that, that really didn't come up. What
00:39:45.800
it was really more about was that just really high profile influencers on social media got into these
00:39:52.200
feuds where there were like Arab American and pro Palestinian people criticizing black Americans
00:39:57.880
for continuing to support Harris. Like, how dare you support Kamala Harris, Palestine, Palestine.
00:40:04.280
And then the prominent black influencers pushed back and they're like, you know, it's supporting
00:40:09.160
Harris isn't about ignoring Palestine, but we need to protect our own community safety and our hard
00:40:14.440
won progress at home. And Trump is going to take that all away. And it, it things like black voters
00:40:20.920
were accused of abandoning Palestinians and then pro Palestinian. And I think it's important to
00:40:26.280
remember, you know, we've got Palestinian friends. We've had Palestinians on the show,
00:40:29.400
Richard and Nadia. But the, the, there is not a single Arab majority country that is taking refugees
00:40:37.640
from Gaza right now. Like, like a large scale of refugees was, was, was out the plan of sending them
00:40:42.440
back and people need to ask like, why? Right. And it's because the people who have worked with this
00:40:47.400
community for longer understand the degree to which they are uncompromising and will hijack your
00:40:55.000
movement. And I think the left is beginning to maybe see that, but I don't know, right? Like, I, I
00:41:01.800
think that you will be surprised within leftist circles, how much they just completely taken over
00:41:06.920
by the pro Palestine stuff within a few years, if there isn't some sort of revolt against this.
00:41:12.440
Well, I don't care. I'm not trying to ditch you. I'm letting you know that I did not know you existed.
00:41:18.360
Yeah, I did. In recent days, American Palestinian content creators started an online attack against
00:41:24.200
the black community for their stance on domestic issues and for voting for Kamala Harris. Black
00:41:29.480
people also wear a uniform and get on a plane and come to our countries and kill us.
00:41:35.000
You vote that signed papers to kill us. I don't want to hear it anymore. What have you done
00:41:40.360
done to change your government? I don't think crying on your phone is an example.
00:41:45.320
What narrative are you pushing by showing black soldiers in the Middle East being told that we
00:41:50.360
should put our issues and lives and rights behind everybody else's, including Palestinians?
00:41:57.240
I don't want to hear y'all tell us to put ourselves last. I'm sick of it.
00:42:00.120
The way you all switched up 180 on Palestinians and people who are Palestinian activists,
00:42:06.200
the second we have a black woman, black woman run for office is disgusting.
00:42:11.320
Keep Palestinians names out of your mouth when you're trying to defend your decision for voting for
00:42:16.200
Kamala. I'm starting to see a lot of these videos coming out and I feel like someone really,
00:42:20.520
really has to speak on it. So I'm going to. The genocide in Congo has made eight millions of victims.
00:42:26.200
When he's saying Palestinians and he just doesn't listen.
00:42:31.480
This video coupled with all of the other Palestinians and their disrespectful and denigrating videos
00:42:36.440
towards people like me, I'm done. So the money that was coming out of my bank account every month
00:42:42.440
to help Palestinians over in Gaza, yeah, that's going to stop. And I'm going to redirect those funds
00:42:48.280
to help the people over in Congo. If I bring up like a black issue and someone's like, oh,
00:42:53.320
people of color, I said black, black, black, black, because other people of color don't even like us.
00:42:58.840
You guys keep bashing white people for slavery, but why don't we ever talk about the Arab slave
00:43:05.000
trade and keep in mind that the Arabs have enslaved more black people than the Europeans combined.
00:43:10.680
When it comes to the people who we are supposed to be defending over in Palestine,
00:43:16.040
guess what? Those same communities treat us with voracious racism. And you're asking us,
00:43:23.000
don't look at them. Don't look at our racism. Don't look at our past history and how we've treated your
00:43:28.600
communities. Help us, save us, be there for us. But guess what? When we need you guys,
00:43:34.760
no one's standing up for us. When we have gone through this oppression for the past 400 years,
00:43:40.040
years, why didn't any of you come racing on boats to come and help and save us?
00:43:45.960
Yeah. Yeah. I just, it's not just about blacks versus pro-Palestine people in America. It's also
00:43:55.560
about black versus Latino and Hispanic leftist groups because you have black and Latino activists
00:44:02.840
disagreeing around criminal justice reform and immigration with some black activists feeling like
00:44:08.760
progressive activists focus on immigration reform and the needs of undocumented, undocumented
00:44:16.120
immigrants is, is overshadowing the, the push for police accountability when it comes to anti-black
00:44:22.280
discrimination. And then Latino organizers are arguing that the struggles for citizenship that
00:44:27.400
many Latinos go through doesn't receive enough attention compared to criminal justice issues. And then,
00:44:32.440
of course, you have the LGBTQ plus movement clashing with racial justice movements where, you know,
00:44:39.080
they, they don't like where funding is going over legislation focus is going. And then there's,
00:44:44.840
of course, the, the Asian American concerns over affirmative action, right? Where their, their concerns
00:44:50.120
about stereotyping and model minority narratives are used to minimize and, and pit them against black and
00:44:55.400
Latino communities, which, which causes a lot of trouble.
00:44:58.440
What we're getting to see is progresses. And there's been some very interesting conversation
00:45:02.280
about this recently in sort of the intellectual spheres for a long time. They're sort of motivated
00:45:05.960
by this idea that economic concerns, we're going to be able to use that to, to create sort of this
00:45:12.280
revolutionary class of human. That's going to want to completely transform society. And that just,
00:45:19.080
every time it did manifest that way, they, they ended up with like mass murder and everything like
00:45:22.600
that. And if you look at like poor Americans, for example, they're much more likely to vote right-wing,
00:45:26.840
right? So that clearly didn't go their way. Like, as I point out, like the, the, the far left these
00:45:31.960
days looks like they're literally dressed up like they're from the capital from the hunger games.
00:45:36.760
So it didn't work. So how do you get your foot soldiers? Well, you go to every group that you can
00:45:43.560
convince to have sort of intra group solidarity and see society as attacking them and try to build a
00:45:50.040
narrative where you exist to protect them. But the problem is, is that it's sort of come due
00:45:57.080
and they haven't actually helped any of those groups. The statistic that I would like to point
00:46:01.000
out. It was, it was all a lie. They came to them and they were like, you are the chosen one. You get
00:46:07.400
special treatment. And they were love bombed. It's very culty, right? Like, oh, we're going to...
00:46:11.000
If you look at income differences between blacks and Hispanics and whites in various regions of the
00:46:15.000
U.S., they are smaller in more Republican districts, bigger in more Democratic districts.
00:46:19.480
Like, it, it, it, they did not deliver. You know, we've pointed out that in the last 10 years,
00:46:25.400
there have been more anti-black hate crime killings than there have been more documented
00:46:31.400
in the 1950s. You know, it is, it is not awesome. They, they, they did not deliver. You look at the
00:46:36.360
rise in white income since the 1950s versus the rise in black income. It's like staggeringly different.
00:46:41.960
They, they did not deliver. They do not care. It is time for people to understand that nobody's
00:46:48.520
going to care about your interests if you're seen as a monolithic voting block, which is in part,
00:46:52.280
I think why progressives have done so little towards black interests recently when contrasted
00:46:57.000
with like other groups, because they're like the, the Palestinians actually didn't vote. If you look
00:47:01.640
in the United States, there was a huge swing. I think in, in many regions, the Arab vote actually
00:47:05.960
went to Trump. Um, and the left like freaked out about this. They were very confused by this.
00:47:13.240
And, and, and that's why people are listening to them now. So they did actually, I also wanted to
00:47:19.720
talk about the LGBTQ shift we've seen recently. So the, there was a movement that crystallized
00:47:24.200
September 20th, 2025 with the launch of LGB International, a new global coalition, which issued a quote,
00:47:30.200
declaration of independence, explicitly cutting ties with trans non-binary queer intersex and TQI plus
00:47:36.760
element of the LGBTQ plus umbrella. The group's manifesto widely shared on X features spokespeople
00:47:43.160
from multiple countries stating LGBT rights, focus on same sex attraction and biological sex
00:47:48.200
are being eroded by an over-intensis on gender identity and legacy organizations. And I think that like
00:47:54.600
they're in 18 countries with 17 plus organizations, and they've gotten a lot of online buzz for this and
00:47:59.880
been covered by a lot of media, you know, like Yahoo news and the telegraph, but the mainstream orgs
00:48:04.840
that still have all the money are, are still a little pissed that this is happening. But I think that
00:48:08.520
we're seeing this in the background that, that people are understanding that this alliance isn't
00:48:13.880
working anymore. Yeah. And that a new alliance is going to need to be had on the left. And I think that
00:48:21.640
the alliance historically was gone into very willfully blindly, like this group thinks gays need to be,
00:48:31.400
you know, if you look at the laws in Gaza, for example, it's, it's a 10 year prison sentence for
00:48:36.200
being gay. Right. Like 10 years. Yeah. 10 years. But then like, after you're out, you're still gay.
00:48:42.440
So do you get another 10 years? Well, no, you're not allowed to be gay. Like,
00:48:46.440
you're not allowed to identify that. That doesn't exist in their country. Right. Like they're the
00:48:50.680
crime isn't being gay. It's just identifying as it. And then every time you identify, you get another
00:48:56.520
10 years. Well, so within Muslim law, it's actually having sex with men. Okay. If you look at Sharia law,
00:49:03.160
you need to have four people attest to it. So within normal Sharia law, it is rare for gay to be killed,
00:49:07.960
but like hypothetically they're, they're supposed to be. And so they often are, you know, local
00:49:13.560
justice and stuff like this. The idea that like, well, because it's not technically Sharia law and
00:49:18.120
you didn't have four people see it at the time. Four people are like, yeah, I'm pretty sure you're
00:49:22.200
going to get murdered. And, and we see this across the Islamic world. Like, I'm not like making something
00:49:27.080
up. It's like, everybody knows that this is the thing that happens. And I think they, they went into
00:49:33.080
it being like, well, we'll just pretend that this group, if it ends up proliferating within
00:49:38.600
our communities, puts us at existential risk because of vibes, like it would be cool if they
00:49:44.920
didn't or something. I mean, I think that they're just so interested in tearing down the West right
00:49:49.480
now that there is, and, and so certain that their faction is going to dominate after the West falls,
00:49:55.560
that there is a willing blindness to that. And the other thing I'm trying to, to, to highlight here
00:50:01.000
is, and no, there's a lot of Muslims in Africa. So I'm not talking like Islam is not inherently
00:50:06.520
anti-African, but I will note that there is going to be much more ability if you're talking
00:50:12.360
about Arab Muslims in terms of building coalitions with African communities than I think many American,
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African and, and European African organizers are aware of or fully grown, which is going to cause issues.
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Well, this just changed the way I looked at the left. Cause I, I don't know. I thought that
00:50:36.920
the intersectional subgroups of the progressive movement bought into intersectionality and I didn't
00:50:43.000
realize that they would kind of bulk when asked to bow down to the priorities of the, the, the subgroup
00:50:53.000
du jour. So very interesting stuff. I'm glad you decided to do this episode. Cause one, I just
00:50:58.600
totally thought Greta Thunberg had dropped the flotilla thing. She hasn't. That's crazy.
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There's better things to do. She just lives on a yacht these days. Greta.
00:51:07.800
They're not, they're not in these boats. I don't know. Like boats are so freaking expensive.
00:51:13.000
They're just money holes, but also like it's not, it's not glamorous.
00:51:20.120
No, I've, I've lived on boats before. It is not fun. Even, even if they're fairly nice yacht.
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Yeah. Even if they're very expensive, nice yachts, it's not nice.
00:51:28.280
Like I just imagine her miserable life living with a bunch of like Islamists like activists and, and,
00:51:34.120
and having to, I'm sure they have fun, but I just, I don't know. I mean, I don't know how much they're
00:51:39.960
going to care when she starts bringing up her environmentalist rhetoric or her, you know,
00:51:44.440
like how this is all really about the environment and beating colonialism is about the, I don't
00:51:50.120
understand what that's about. Like that seems like, so like delusional schizo posting when
00:51:56.200
people are like, Oh, fighting colonialism is like pro it's like, bro. But the colonialist power,
00:52:01.160
the power is you deem as colonialists are the ones that do the most to fight global warming,
00:52:05.720
right? Like presumably you want them to have more colonial power, right?
00:52:10.520
Well, I mean, we call it, we call the progress pride flag. Thanks to whoever it was who follows
00:52:16.280
You called it the colonizer's flag. No, no, no, I agree, but I mean, even if they don't buy into
00:52:20.680
that, how can Greta Thornburg say colonialism is the problem when the colonizer regions are the ones
00:52:27.960
that are the most green and if they still had their colonies, presumably they would make them
00:52:33.880
green as well. It's not supposed to make sense, but here's what does make sense. I love you. You're
00:52:40.600
great. I love you too. And have a spectacular day, Simone. And two AIs going over this or whatever.
00:52:49.560
Just watch it because you're going to be like, well, you know, he's overly generalizing. I'm not
00:52:53.400
overly generalizing. I'm talking about cultural trends and regions have a right to be culturally
00:52:59.160
different when you deny that you are dehumanizing those regions. And the thing I want to note about
00:53:04.280
all of this, especially like the Gaza thing that always gets me and everything like that
00:53:08.040
is these views that like normal Muslims have, and I think they're entitled to their views
00:53:13.240
are generally to the right culturally of the very views that got Charlie Kirk shot,
00:53:21.080
right? And, and they will cheer him being shot and then freak out about people dying in Gaza
00:53:26.440
who hold the exact same views, but like five times more extreme. I don't like the deluleness.
00:53:34.200
And as you've pointed out, the core reason is, is they don't see these people as human.
00:53:37.720
They do not believe that they are responsible for their beliefs, but Christians are. That's,
00:53:41.880
that's basically the gist of it. And, and that's why I think they see them like,
00:53:45.720
like animals that they are going to, or, or like savages, which they're going to civilize,
00:53:50.040
which has long been this, this sort of uneducated colon, colonizers. People always saw the regions
00:53:58.040
they were colonizing. Yeah. But so it goes. Love you. Love you too. All right. I sent you
00:54:04.440
the other link already. So I just hop over there. When I called and they were like,
00:54:08.200
what appointment? And then, then he called me back and this is for her C-section,
00:54:11.880
by the way, that's happening in like three days. Yeah. That, yeah. I mean, getting the surgeon that
00:54:20.760
I have booked was like impossible. And then I thought that they actually didn't have it booked
00:54:27.320
and that I wouldn't have her. I was so scared, Malcolm. That would be so bad. You don't understand.
00:54:35.400
You don't understand. Oh God. I still can't believe what you said about cashews. Well, I mean,
00:54:44.520
what I learned about cashews. I love it. She had no idea. They come in these giant fruits that are
00:54:51.240
like the size of an apple. And I was like, and they're poisonous. And they have to go through all
00:54:54.840
this, this processing. She just had no idea. And I, she's like, they're so expensive. Why are they
00:54:59.160
so expensive? And I was like, why aren't they more expensive? The labor that has to go into them.
00:55:11.240
I mean, I guess we're, we're also discounting the cost of a bunch of other things, which you're
00:55:18.760
discounting to produce, but because they're heavier, they have a lot of water in them. The
00:55:23.960
shipping costs so much. So I didn't expect me making sure that my hospital admission was
00:55:37.160
See this camera so much better. Someone was saying, by the way, they're like,
00:55:39.880
well, can't you just invest in like 1080p cameras and we have 4k cameras, but I think yours is just
00:55:48.360
not coming through 4k. Can you check your camera settings?
00:55:51.000
It seems like it's coming through great right now. Is it coming through fuzzy on your end?
00:55:54.440
I think other people think your camera... No, my camera in some days has been coming
00:55:58.840
through bad. I'm saying today, right now, is it coming through bad to you?
00:56:02.920
Today it looks okay. Yeah. I don't know why sometimes it looks good and sometimes it looks
00:56:07.640
bad. We have invested like a lot in good cameras. Yeah. And everyone's like, why are you shooting using
00:56:13.000
a potato? And it's like, I don't know. Like expensive cameras are weird because sometimes
00:56:20.040
they just shoot potato quality for no reason that I understand. And I will try to use the podcast,
00:56:26.760
you know, normal ones. I try to use the professional stuff. It's not better. I can pay literally like
00:56:33.080
once I go over a hundred dollars for a camera, it seems no matter how much I pay, I get the exact,
00:56:38.280
it's completely random quality. I can pay $300 and get terrible quality. Yeah. So like we're trying
00:56:43.720
here, people. I just am not good with sound and video effects. That's not my expertise. Although I
00:56:51.000
do edit all of our videos. So, you know, but that's was the help of AI. So, you know, God bless AI. All right,
00:56:57.960
let's do it. Poop, Octavian. You need to make a poo shape. Like a poo energy, like this. Okay,
00:57:07.080
tell me about what you're working on, Octavian. Yeah, what are you doing, buddy? I'm making this
00:57:10.440
concrete. Let me show you something. Oh, wow. It looks like this. It looks like this. It's like the poop.
00:57:16.920
Yeah, it looks like a poop. Let's make a big turd. Ready? Circle. Circle. Circle. How did it turn that color?
00:57:24.360
Circle. Oh, well, because we mixed them together. Cut. Oh, did you know it would turn this color?
00:57:30.920
Yeah, sure. It did, huh? Did Mommy tell you not to mix them all together?
00:57:47.880
It's so slimey. It's sticky. It's like it's gonna cut. Whoa, look at the watermelon slice in there.
00:57:55.080
Oh, you cut it. You made it big and you blew the scissors. Wait. What is this? Oh, I did that.
00:58:08.760
What do you think, Octavian? What are you making now?