Based Camp - Shock Study： Psychologists (+Far Left) Turn Teens Against Parents (& Destroy Their Mental Health)

00:00:00.000 The main findings, DBT intervention did not improve outcomes.

00:00:03.980 Significant deteriorations were observed across outcomes immediately.

00:00:08.360 It made things worse.

00:00:10.280 Largest deteriorations were seen in depressive symptoms.

00:00:14.060 If you really need the help, it makes things even worse.

00:00:16.840 Teen participants continued to report significantly poorer quality of parent-child relationships,

00:00:21.720 specifically mother relationships.

00:00:23.480 And I think that comes down to the way in which this kind of behavior can irreparably

00:00:30.140 recontextualize the way that you see your relationship.

00:00:33.540 And I think it's really hard to fix that damage.

00:00:35.300 And it's a very effective cult tactic.

00:00:36.980 Pretty much all cults do this.

00:00:38.720 They try to convince you that your primary support network is being abusive to you.

00:00:45.160 And your primary support network is usually your parents or your birth culture.

00:00:49.040 And you are of high intellect, Peggy.

00:00:51.540 No matter what you've been told by your husband, your father, not really, mother. 0.70

00:01:00.520 How did you know?

00:01:02.140 Because we love you.

00:01:04.060 This ultra urban monoculture is what we historically would have recognized as a cult.

00:01:11.260 Excuse me, are y'all with the cult?

00:01:13.240 We're not a cult.

00:01:14.480 We're an organization that promotes love.

00:01:16.800 Yeah, this is it.

00:01:17.540 It didn't used to be like this.

00:01:18.920 Like, I was in the chest thing in high school.

00:01:20.280 I supported it in high school.

00:01:22.100 It has been taken over by a cult.

00:01:24.200 The clue that is the holy guide to living pure.

00:01:27.080 This will help explain.

00:01:28.840 First.

00:01:35.340 Her name's Lorraine, too? 1.00

00:01:37.260 We're all Lorraine.

00:01:38.600 And you will be Todd.

00:01:41.040 And name chosen especially for you.

00:01:43.620 Oh.

00:01:44.040 You're an oppressed minority. 0.99

00:01:46.760 You're a cult.

00:01:51.100 Would you like to know more?

00:01:52.760 Hello, Simone. 0.69

00:01:53.960 You sent a study to me that absolutely shocked me.

00:01:57.520 And I really want to go over the results of it because I think it is terrifying.

00:02:02.420 Fascinating.

00:02:03.580 Disturbing.

00:02:04.180 But also, pretty definitive proof of your claim that one of the primary means by which

00:02:12.620 the urban monoculture spreads is through therapy culture and that it uses therapy culture

00:02:17.720 primarily to alienate young people from their support networks.

00:02:22.120 So let's dive into it.

00:02:23.260 Exactly.

00:02:23.900 And leading to these absolutely horrible, we did another episode recently showing that

00:02:28.280 one in ten kids in school right now has thought about unaliving themselves this past year.

00:02:32.780 Like, that is an insane statistic.

00:02:35.240 The percent that made a plan to unalive themselves, 24% among young women, 12% among young men.

00:02:41.020 The ones who seriously considered attempting it, 30% young women, 14% young men.

00:02:45.840 The feeling persistent sadness, 57% of young women, 29% of young men.

00:02:51.140 So what is happening in schools right now is not working.

00:02:54.480 And a big part of this is the infiltration of, as I have always said, modern psychology has

00:02:58.600 become more like a cult.

00:03:00.640 What you get if you go into a modern psychologist today is much closer to what Scientology was

00:03:08.440 doing with people in the 90s than what would happen if you saw a psychologist in the 90s.

00:03:12.800 And I'm not saying all psychologists fall into this, but the ones that are influencing

00:03:16.720 the policy, what's happening to kids are.

00:03:19.380 And we can see this in the study data.

00:03:21.940 So what was the name of the study again, Simone?

00:03:23.420 I've got all that information on it.

00:03:24.800 The study is called Investigating the Efficacy of a Dialectical Behavior Therapy-Based Universal

00:03:30.880 Intervention on Adolescent Social and Emotional Well-Being Outcomes.

00:03:36.040 That's a mouthful, but they're basically like, does DBT help teens?

00:03:40.760 That's what they're trying to find out here.

00:03:42.600 So this is a AI summary of what the study ended up showing and the way the study was constructed,

00:03:48.780 which I'm guessing is probably what you were going to read.

00:03:50.340 AI explains it in plainer English, how it is with these academic studies that like decide

00:03:54.880 to make them harder to understand.

00:03:56.620 I love how much they buried the lead with the title of this study because the results are

00:04:00.200 shocking.

00:04:01.300 It could be one of those instances in which they primarily did this research to try to

00:04:06.060 show how good and effective DBT was, and then it turned out to really hurt.

00:04:11.220 So they had to obfuscate things in the wording just so that, you know, the people who funded

00:04:15.900 it didn't get super offended and never fund them again.

00:04:18.700 I think that's more probably what's going on here.

00:04:21.820 Yeah.

00:04:21.960 So study design and participants.

00:04:24.040 It was a non-randomized controlled trial, which is pretty good.

00:04:27.700 It had over a thousand participants, pretty well split on gender.

00:04:32.000 The intervention group had 563 participants and eight sessions of a wise teens program.

00:04:38.000 We'll be talking about this group in a second that you did the DBT and the control group

00:04:42.180 with around 508 participants, class as usual.

00:04:44.800 Just so people know what this means from like a science perspective, it means that the results

00:04:49.900 of this were likely very robust.

00:04:51.980 Not something where you can be like, oh, the sample size was small or it wasn't controlled

00:04:55.420 or blah, blah, blah.

00:04:56.520 The main findings, the wise teens intervention did not improve outcomes overall.

00:05:02.580 So it's the DBT intervention.

00:05:04.960 Significant deteriorations were observed across outcomes immediately post-

00:05:09.640 Worst.

00:05:11.300 Largest deteriorations were seen in depressive symptoms.

00:05:14.920 If you really need the help, it makes things even worse.

00:05:18.500 Yes.

00:05:19.020 And it explains.

00:05:20.240 I remember how I was showing like the rate of depression going up in young kids.

00:05:23.340 And yet we're seeing more and more like DBT therapy being put on these otherwise mentally

00:05:27.880 healthy young kids.

00:05:28.400 It's like adding fuel to the fire.

00:05:30.020 It's adding fuel to the fire.

00:05:31.160 Yes.

00:05:32.160 But while most group differences dissipated at follow-up, if you can get out of the therapy

00:05:36.380 culture, but if the kids get roped in and they end up building a trauma dependency on

00:05:41.100 a therapist, a lot of therapy culture today is about trying to incept people with the idea

00:05:45.000 of trauma.

00:05:45.800 Yeah.

00:05:45.920 Stop them from detracting.

00:05:48.040 Where they would try to get you to believe that like something in your use created the

00:05:51.760 thing that you couldn't get away from and that you needed to keep seeing them to create

00:05:55.580 dependency.

00:05:56.140 Right.

00:05:56.300 But the thing that didn't disappear, okay, was wise teen participants continue to report

00:06:03.260 significantly poorer quality of parent-child relationships, specifically mother relationships.

00:06:08.400 And I think that comes down to the way in which this kind of behavior can irreparably

00:06:15.860 recontextualize the way that you see your relationship.

00:06:19.240 And I think it's really hard to fix that damage.

00:06:21.020 It's one thing to, oh, you're framing or you're ruminating on something.

00:06:24.000 I think therapy can, when presented the wrong way, especially when not really outcome oriented

00:06:28.620 or fixing things oriented CBT, really get you to ruminate on the bad thing and identify

00:06:33.500 with the bad thing.

00:06:34.340 And if you start living life and getting distracted, you can get over that.

00:06:37.120 So if you stop the therapy, you can get better.

00:06:39.000 But once you recontextualize a relationship or you start to reframe something that happened

00:06:44.080 in the past as traumatic, whereas you didn't view it as traumatic before, undoing that really

00:06:49.440 freaking hard.

00:06:50.200 And it's a very effective cult tactic.

00:06:51.760 Pretty much all cults do this.

00:06:53.100 They try to convince you that your primary support network is being abusive to you.

00:07:00.760 And your primary support network is usually your parents or your birth culture, i.e.

00:07:05.080 your parents' religious community.

00:07:07.500 And so a core tactic of the urban monoculture, which is essentially a cult, is to use emissaries

00:07:12.980 that basically it's preacher cast are the psychologists and social workers, because they're the ones

00:07:18.180 who recruit new members and ensure that people don't defect, they first to get you into it.

00:07:24.600 And they're not doing this intentionally.

00:07:26.340 It's just the iterations of this culture, because it has almost no kids itself, that were able

00:07:30.460 to convince people that they had abusive relationships from their primary support network

00:07:35.100 and birth culture were better at growing than the ones that didn't adopt these tactics.

00:07:39.280 Because most people, if they deconvert from their birth culture, it happens between 15 to

00:07:43.040 23.

00:07:43.740 So it makes a sense to try to get this stuff into schools from the perspective of the

00:07:48.200 urban monoculture.

00:07:49.020 Like you would expect after a large study, like this sort of thing would be shut down.

00:07:53.840 And yet it's continuing expansion.

00:07:56.740 So you can look at, and that's what social emotional learning is, which really should have

00:08:00.420 no point in our school systems.

00:08:01.940 And we'll do a whole other episode on social emotional learning.

00:08:04.340 We do.

00:08:04.580 We need to cover SEL deep.

00:08:06.040 The problem is, it's such a deep rabbit hole, because it really is.

00:08:09.260 People are like, it's not cult-like.

00:08:11.100 SEL is covered for a very specific cult.

00:08:14.880 You can look at James Lindsay has talked about this a lot, and he has done some great research

00:08:18.360 on this.

00:08:19.020 I wanted to have him on the show.

00:08:20.260 We had talked about having him on the show at one point, but I don't know if we ever got

00:08:22.980 him booked.

00:08:23.760 But basically, it's not like a vague cult or an accidentally evolved cult.

00:08:27.700 It is a perennialist mystic cult.

00:08:30.800 That is what it is.

00:08:32.860 It is very dangerous.

00:08:34.180 And it is, yet you can see from the downstream effects that we're seeing in the people that

00:08:37.220 it's converting, because the communities where it is most widespread are often like LGBT 1.00

00:08:41.260 communities.

00:08:42.260 And if you look at things like, here's the statistic right here, 70% of LGBTQ plus students

00:08:47.400 experience persistent feelings of sadness and hopelessness.

00:08:50.060 And the unaliving attempts in that community, 20% every year are attempting.

00:08:55.740 Like it is really bad in the communities that it has most deeply penetrated, because it often,

00:09:00.520 uses those communities.

00:09:01.820 What is a sign of the urban monoculture but the colonizer's flag?

00:09:04.920 And for people to know what the colonizer's flag, it was named in our Discord, and I absolutely

00:09:07.900 love this, where they took the gay pride flag, which literally meant everyone under the rainbow.

00:09:13.000 It wasn't like the colors meant specific things.

00:09:14.940 And then they started covering it up with specific groups, absolutely animal farming it.

00:09:19.440 Like some groups are more equal than others.

00:09:21.520 And now they put it on every institution that the urban monoculture has conquered, like

00:09:26.700 bull baiting towards the LGBT community, anger.

00:09:29.860 And it's wild that they're doing this, because they control pretty much every institution of

00:09:33.460 power in our society.

00:09:34.460 Why do they need to have a minority group targeted for their actions? 0.91

00:09:39.300 It's just bull baiting. 0.89

00:09:40.080 They don't care.

00:09:40.740 But let's talk about what this wise group that's causing all these negative effects, it's

00:09:45.140 breaking up families, is doing right now.

00:09:47.100 If you go to their website, and I'll put this on stage, this is front and center.

00:09:51.300 When it comes to prevention, our mantra is early and often.

00:09:55.340 Think about that.

00:09:55.940 This harmful thing that we know is causing a breakdown of familial relationships, their

00:10:00.540 motto is early and often.

00:10:02.620 We know it's causing negative mental health outcomes in a place where this is already a

00:10:06.280 crisis, increasing rates of depression early and often, and increasing them among the

00:10:12.720 most damaged communities.

00:10:16.480 You can look at something like 70% of LGBTQ students, which is the group that the urban

00:10:22.480 monoculture is most represented in, and this therapy culture is most represented in, experience

00:10:27.000 persistent feelings of sadness and unhappiness.

00:10:29.380 This is going up as their level of oppression is going down, but as the level of infiltration

00:10:34.280 of their culture is going up by the urban monoculture.

00:10:37.000 And 20% of them have attempted unaliving themselves year over year.

00:10:41.760 Just absolutely chilling to me.

00:10:43.760 And then if you look at what they are pushing out, what does WISE do?

00:10:49.880 How does it do this?

00:10:50.740 It does this both with just general urban monoculture conversion.

00:10:55.140 You can see this through their words of things like the WISE elementary school program builds

00:11:01.380 blah, blah, blah, protective skills of empathy and safety.

00:11:05.020 Like, what do they mean by empathy and safety, right?

00:11:07.700 Like they mean that they are medicalizing and therapizing normal human child interaction because

00:11:14.760 of what's good for pulling kids out of their birth culture.

00:11:17.040 That's why they're doing this, even though we know it hurts now.

00:11:19.460 Like, why would they still be doing this?

00:11:20.820 Because they built a bureaucracy and the bureaucracy is self-reinforcing.

00:11:24.400 Kids who get sucked into this culture find it very hard to get out of it once you're in

00:11:28.520 it.

00:11:28.660 Once you've broken their relationships with their support network, that's why cults do that.

00:11:32.400 Let's talk about dialectical behavioral therapy for a second.

00:11:36.120 It's an evidence-based psychotherapy that was originally developed to treat borderline

00:11:39.380 personality disorder, but has since been adopted to address various mental health conditions.

00:11:43.500 In this context, DBT is a structured form of therapy that combines elements of cognitive

00:11:47.320 behavioral therapy with concepts of mindfulness, distress tolerance, and emotional regulation.

00:11:53.220 Skills training.

00:11:54.460 DBT typically involves group sessions focused on teaching four core skills.

00:11:58.480 Again, mindfulness, distress tolerance, interpersonal effectiveness, and emotional regulation.

00:12:02.400 However, when they say emotional regulation, they actually mean the exact opposite of emotional

00:12:06.540 regulation, but we'll get to that in a second.

00:12:09.000 I think when they teach mindfulness, instead they're teaching rumination and identification

00:12:12.760 with mental illness.

00:12:15.760 So understanding emotions.

00:12:17.100 DBT teaches the function and importance of emotions, helping clients see them as valid and

00:12:21.440 meaningful.

00:12:22.520 So i.e.

00:12:23.600 you should experience all the emotions that your body outputs.

00:12:26.680 It's very much like a lot of people think the inside out is this like totally non-threatening

00:12:32.820 message.

00:12:33.560 I've heard this from a lot of conservatives.

00:12:34.940 They're like, it's not woke.

00:12:35.880 And I'm like, no, it is the worst of woke.

00:12:37.860 It is therapy, culture, cartoonized and given to kids.

00:12:43.280 It treats all of their emotions as in many ways equally valid.

00:12:47.940 And you need this balanced emotional landscape where sometimes you're angry and sometimes

00:12:53.300 you're sad and all of the emotions play a role.

00:12:55.640 And I actually heard this when I was talking to my old school and they're trying to get

00:12:57.860 money from me.

00:12:58.480 They're like, inside out really taught us this.

00:13:00.680 And I'm like, that is not what the data says.

00:13:03.520 As from like the studies, like if you allow yourself to succumb to an emotion like anger,

00:13:07.940 like if you go and punch a wall after getting angry, your level of anger actually rises in

00:13:12.160 the probability that you feel that in the future rises.

00:13:14.040 If you allow yourself to feel really any negative emotional state, one decreases your ability

00:13:20.240 to inhibit those states in the future, allowing them to spiral out of control.

00:13:24.020 This is how you get like anxiety spirals and stuff like that.

00:13:26.800 And why we're seeing this explosion in anxiety, that and the removal of corporal punishment,

00:13:31.240 the removal of negative stimuli discipline for kids.

00:13:34.540 Because when you don't experience negative stimuli, you become hypersensitized to it.

00:13:37.680 And then you need things like trigger warnings, which we've talked about before, which creates

00:13:41.060 these negative effects.

00:13:42.140 But when you teach kids, oh, just experience all your emotions, like this is not what the

00:13:48.140 data says.

00:13:48.640 This is a made up cult version of psychology.

00:13:51.640 What the data says is you should treat your brain like a fascist landscape where your logic

00:13:57.100 controls your emotions because your logic can control your emotions.

00:14:01.320 You can largely control what you feel through the narratives you create about how you interact

00:14:06.960 with the world around you.

00:14:08.160 And you have a duty to exercise that control.

00:14:11.980 And I will continue to do something here.

00:14:13.740 So what else does it teach when it's teaching like emotional control?

00:14:18.000 Mindfulness.

00:14:18.680 Practicing awareness of the present moment without judgment helps observing and experiencing

00:14:23.220 emotions without being overwhelmed by them.

00:14:26.020 This observing and experiencing emotions is the very last thing you want to do.

00:14:30.660 Your brain is not a democracy.

00:14:32.540 And if your brain is a democracy, if you have logic as one tiny voice in your brain and all

00:14:37.960 the emotions are these very loud voices in your brain, you're going to spiral into negative

00:14:42.360 mental health outcomes because these emotions were evolved within a very different social

00:14:47.680 and technological context.

00:14:49.440 Basically, the emotions that we feel, both positive and negatives, are just the things that

00:14:53.000 our ancestors, when they felt them, they had more surviving offspring.

00:14:55.840 And if you succumb to those, if you're like, oh, I'll just let those guide me, like those

00:15:01.700 will be one voice among the logic in my head.

00:15:04.860 And we'll have like counsel where the logic is like one member and then we have anger and

00:15:08.080 then we have blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:15:08.900 And you're taking an average of opinions that you're going to be making catastrophically stupid 1.00

00:15:14.300 decisions. 0.99

00:15:15.040 And these decisions will then cause more negative emotional output, which causes a spiral.

00:15:19.400 And then they break the relationship with your family and birth culture by saying, oh, that

00:15:23.960 caused trauma, all these things that they did were trauma causing, like discipline, as we

00:15:28.580 say, like corporal discipline, which we know from the data is good.

00:15:31.180 You can look at the study, don't show the baby out with the bass water, parental punishment.

00:15:34.500 This was done in 2023, big meta study.

00:15:36.720 And it showed that when you actually match it, it does help with mental health outcomes.

00:15:41.140 And duh, like anyone could have told you that.

00:15:43.700 They could have told you that the earlier results were manipulated, but they didn't.

00:15:47.080 They don't, just in case people are wondering how they're manipulated, I'll just say it really

00:15:50.400 quickly, although watch for the virtual will know this.

00:15:52.120 What they did is they didn't match results.

00:15:54.980 So they would take a family like ours where our daughter doesn't get corporal punishment 0.84

00:15:57.620 because she just doesn't need it.

00:15:59.120 They put her in the no punishment group and they put our sons in the punishment group 0.86

00:16:01.600 and then say, see the punishment group's acting out more. 1.00

00:16:03.720 And it's like, that is astronomically stupid that you did that. 0.99

00:16:06.740 But anyway, but why would they do that? 0.99

00:16:08.280 They really benefit from these negative mental health effects because when you create these

00:16:11.840 negative mental health spirals in young teens and you've broken them off from their

00:16:15.920 birth culture, you've broken them off from their parents, what else are they going to 0.98

00:16:18.960 turn to, but these affirming cults.

00:16:22.720 And that's what, when you, when anyone can identify, for example, as non-binary and then

00:16:28.260 enter the queer community, which is one of the things we complain about, when anyone can 1.00

00:16:32.540 identify as non-binary and enter the queer community, and then you get loved bombed for

00:16:36.540 doing this.

00:16:37.600 Or for example, us, we would be considered trans within the modern context, right?

00:16:41.280 Because I don't particularly care what my gender is.

00:16:43.700 Neither does Simone.

00:16:44.440 If I broke up to her a different gender, I'd figure out a way to make it work. 1.00

00:16:47.000 And that would be called agender, which is a form of genderqueer, which is a form of 0.65

00:16:50.040 trans.

00:16:50.440 They have expanded the definitions of all this, or demisexual, they would say, which

00:16:55.520 actually is the standard sexual presentation among women. 1.00

00:16:59.160 And yet they treat it like it's a form of being queer. 0.53

00:17:01.500 For people who aren't inducted into the insane leftist cult, demisexual means that you usually 0.79

00:17:07.480 only feel sexually aroused when you already have an emotional attachment to somebody.

00:17:12.700 And it's like, yeah, normal female sexuality works that way. 1.00

00:17:15.480 Yeah, some women are outside of that, but mostly for most women, that's how sexual, but now 1.00

00:17:20.120 they're saying that means most women are queer. 0.95

00:17:22.060 So queer identification is not seen to me when you're looking at, and when I'm looking

00:17:27.320 at statistics, it's primarily a sign of something like same-sex attraction or even a real trans

00:17:32.700 identity anymore.

00:17:33.840 It's more of an identification of being a member of this extremist cult.

00:17:38.200 And we're seeing the negative mental health outcomes with one in five of them trying to

00:17:43.240 unalive themselves every year, who are adolescent people in this community, 70% having this intense

00:17:49.060 dissatisfaction with their lives.

00:17:51.000 Like it is not leading to good outcomes.

00:17:53.480 It comes around with this, we will affirm you, we will affirm you, we will protect you

00:17:57.720 with trigger warnings.

00:17:58.340 We will protect you from negative stimuli, sort of candy cart.

00:18:04.140 And so you go when you're in this intense state of emotional insecurity and self-questioning

00:18:10.700 and a poor mental health that's created by these sorts of programs, and then it can use

00:18:16.340 that to snatch you up because you've been disconnected from all of your classic support

00:18:19.740 networks.

00:18:20.220 Because the classic support networks are going to tell you what you need to hear, which

00:18:23.160 is discipline is good.

00:18:25.000 You need to, austerity is good.

00:18:27.140 You should experience unpleasant things.

00:18:29.560 You should not learn to love yourself as you are.

00:18:32.800 You should be pressured to become the type of person worthy of you loving.

00:18:38.540 But that in the moment, that isn't cotton candy.

00:18:41.960 So I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, Simone.

00:18:45.220 I'm just sad with how far we've gone.

00:18:48.080 And I'm disturbed by how much good and responsible sounding language is presented to people like

00:18:54.520 parents who are genuinely concerned about their kids' well-being and how their really well-meaning

00:19:00.140 attempts are backfiring and causing them to lose their children even more.

00:19:03.720 It breaks my heart that a parent that is doing everything they can to help their kids, who

00:19:08.840 really cares and who really does want to help them, is ultimately doing so much worse for

00:19:15.680 their kids' outcome than a parent who is actively negligent and who actively doesn't care.

00:19:20.140 It shouldn't be the case in modern society that literally neglectful parents are going

00:19:25.740 to see better mental health outcomes for their children.

00:19:28.420 And yet that's what we're seeing.

00:19:29.580 It's no wonder that people who are more affluent and educated and have all these resources and

00:19:33.540 who like really care about getting their kids right are terrified of becoming parents because

00:19:38.860 when you look at the outcomes of their kids and the kids of their peers, they are worse.

00:19:43.640 And I don't think they realize that a lot of it's because of their culture and they're probably

00:19:48.280 thinking, oh, neglectful, irresponsible parents are probably seeing something even worse.

00:19:52.160 And I don't know.

00:19:53.340 It would be really interesting to see that divide.

00:19:55.700 I just listened to that one YouTuber's really long piece on the other pro-natalist Collins

00:20:01.800 family and they actively don't do a lot of things to take care of their kids.

00:20:08.160 Like they may not take their kids to the doctor a whole lot.

00:20:10.080 They certainly don't send their kids to therapy as far as I'm aware, but I could reckon that

00:20:15.300 their kids are probably mentally a lot healthier than kids who are getting tons and tons of

00:20:19.240 resources as their critics would argue they should be doing.

00:20:23.520 It's just sad to me.

00:20:24.960 So this reminds me of an influencer.

00:20:27.460 There was this like, obviously completely brainwashed by the cult young gen alpha gen Z YouTuber.

00:20:34.220 I was watching who was complaining that mental health outcomes keep getting worse.

00:20:37.740 And she is, we can fix this by getting more psychologists that are cheap. 0.77

00:20:41.460 I think it's a very complex conversation as to why gen Z is not wanting to have kids because

00:20:48.040 it doesn't just pertain to financial issues or inflation eating out our arses clean.

00:20:54.660 But gen Z has a rampant problem with mental health issues that have gone long unaddressed, 0.57

00:21:00.520 mostly for the reason being that the mental health system is largely lacking.

00:21:05.080 For example, I am still on a wait list to see a psychologist.

00:21:09.420 It has been what, eight months, nine months?

00:21:11.560 I can't even remember the last time that I even followed up on that.

00:21:15.500 Because the last time I did, I remember calling the psychologist and he's on the phone like,

00:21:21.500 well, I'm actually leaving for holidays next week.

00:21:24.940 So we're going to be pretty backed up.

00:21:27.240 I'll give you a call in a few weeks time.

00:21:29.780 I saved the day in my phone and everything like that.

00:21:32.660 I never got a call.

00:21:33.880 So a week later, I called them again and I was like, hey, just following up, blah, blah, blah.

00:21:38.960 Well, actually, no, we don't have any appointments available until mid-December.

00:21:43.960 This was in, I think, June last year.

00:21:46.840 What are you, there are more youth psychologists today, more psychologizing was in school than

00:21:52.160 there's ever been.

00:21:52.820 Do you think this stuff existed in the old west?

00:21:54.320 Do you think that in the greatest generation or in our parents' generation, when they were

00:21:58.480 objectively, we can look at the data, had better mental health outcomes, that they were not

00:22:02.820 being exposed to this, that when you get in this cult, you see the mental health problems

00:22:07.980 that are downstream of these sorts of mechanisms.

00:22:10.660 And all they can think is turn up the volume.

00:22:14.060 Now, if you're here and you're a parent or you are a person who is struggling with a mental

00:22:19.180 health outcome, I used to say that CBT at least still worked.

00:22:22.800 I now no longer think that.

00:22:24.240 I think it's been so infiltrated and twisted that it doesn't really work that well anymore.

00:22:28.320 We wrote the practice.

00:22:29.140 Or maybe what we were exposed to is CBT, like you when you studied psychology in school and

00:22:33.940 me when I went through it, is basically an extinct strain of it.

00:22:38.160 And now what is happening is totally different.

00:22:41.180 Yeah.

00:22:41.360 So what I would recommend people do if they are like, what's the alternative is the

00:22:46.700 Pragmatist Guide to Life.

00:22:47.540 The first book we wrote, I wrote it as an alternative to CBT, actually.

00:22:51.360 If you read it, you'll notice a lot of if-then functions, basically.

00:22:54.860 It was really meant as a user manual for a type of psychologist that we were eventually

00:22:59.540 going to spin out, but we just never really got around to it.

00:23:02.780 We got in with our company right now, blah, blah, blah.

00:23:05.000 But it's still very usable from an individual perspective.

00:23:08.540 And it focuses on a completely different mechanism for therapy.

00:23:13.000 Essentially, the mechanism is determine what you think has value in life.

00:23:17.920 And we go through all the various things that somebody might think has value in life.

00:23:20.920 And then using those set of things you think have value in life, how do you maximize those

00:23:25.780 things?

00:23:26.340 And then develop a conscious system from doing that.

00:23:28.820 And then here's all these mental hacks you can use for controlling the way that your brain

00:23:33.360 outputs emotion and to give you more mastery over your emotional states.

00:23:39.020 So you have much less.

00:23:40.460 And I think that that's one of the problems is when we say like the things that you think

00:23:43.640 have value, we call this your objective function.

00:23:45.560 And the problem with the urban monoculture is that it doesn't have an objective function

00:23:49.900 for many people other than reduce the amount of suffering that anyone's experiencing in

00:23:53.460 the moment.

00:23:54.440 And because of that, and because people recognize that isn't a thing of actual value, it leads

00:23:59.340 to these really terrible mental health outcomes.

00:24:02.380 Another thing I would want to point out when people are like, oh, you shouldn't be dismissing

00:24:05.280 trauma this much.

00:24:06.080 We have a whole episode on this topic, but there's a great study done on trauma.

00:24:10.140 And I really just need to beat this because this is an important thing that the general

00:24:13.220 public knows.

00:24:13.860 It looked at correlations between reported trauma in childhood and negative mental health

00:24:20.080 outcomes.

00:24:20.820 Great correlation.

00:24:22.260 Then it tried to correlate reported trauma with actual documentable trauma, looking at court

00:24:27.460 records and stuff like that.

00:24:28.800 And it found that there was almost no correlation.

00:24:31.140 In other words, contextualization is everything.

00:24:33.360 And if you believe that you've been subject to trauma and identify as someone who has been

00:24:37.840 traumatized, you will suffer mentally.

00:24:40.340 If you don't, then you probably won't.

00:24:42.400 It doesn't really matter what actually happened to you.

00:24:45.020 Of course, there are exceptions to this.

00:24:47.280 If you have PTSD that is real, by the way, not the, not the, I've self-diagnosed with PTSD

00:24:52.820 or I tripped on the way to a store and I have PTSD now, but that doesn't count.

00:24:58.760 But there are some like real mechanical things that can go wrong.

00:25:01.660 And also there's depression that is real and mechanical and that can be triggered by

00:25:05.560 hormones and a whole bunch of other things.

00:25:07.820 This is not to deny any of those things.

00:25:09.560 And I am afraid for when we have an instance of a kid who is actually depressed, who probably

00:25:15.520 needs some form of chemical intervention that we can only get from a psychologist because

00:25:21.320 it has to be prescribed.

00:25:22.460 Our book and our methods can only go so far.

00:25:25.760 And as we explained in the Pragmatist Guide to Life, sometimes you actually do need-

00:25:29.260 Psychologists don't prescribe medication.

00:25:31.620 Psychiatrists.

00:25:32.180 No, wait.

00:25:32.480 That's safer.

00:25:33.160 If you're sending a kid.

00:25:34.140 So my parents used to do this with me as a kid.

00:25:36.580 They would-

00:25:37.520 Psychologists.

00:25:38.560 No, there's therapists who don't prescribe and then there's psychologists who do.

00:25:42.100 No, it's not a matter.

00:25:44.320 Psychologists don't prescribe.

00:25:45.420 They are the people you go to regularly.

00:25:46.720 It's a different degree pass.

00:25:48.160 Then who-

00:25:48.360 Psychiatrists do prescribe.

00:25:50.060 Psychiatrists, thank you.

00:25:51.920 Sorry, I'm ignorant.

00:25:53.380 I was on the pathway to become a psychologist and not a psychiatrist.

00:25:56.780 And I thought about changing career trajectories to become a psychiatrist, but it's a different

00:26:00.880 degree pathway.

00:26:01.820 I see.

00:26:03.040 So anyway, so this is coming from somebody who knows a great deal about all of this, but

00:26:09.140 just thinks outside of their framework.

00:26:10.860 I am not coming to you here as an anti-mental health person.

00:26:15.500 I am coming to you here saying that there used to be a functioning mental health system

00:26:19.160 in the West and it doesn't exist anymore and it is just a danger now.

00:26:23.160 And what my parents used to do as me, which is what we do as our kids, is warn them against

00:26:27.940 these individuals, warn them that these individuals will try to manipulate them into joining these

00:26:31.720 weird cults and cultural groups.

00:26:33.780 And that they, this is what you say to them to get the meds you need, basically, because

00:26:39.900 they are just really toxic right now.

00:26:42.220 And when people are like, oh, you shouldn't go so far as to call it a cult, like the urban

00:26:46.560 monoculture isn't actually a cult.

00:26:48.040 These institutions aren't actually a cult.

00:26:50.000 I want you to consider the language I've been reading here recently.

00:26:53.720 And I'm going to play some scenes from a King of the Hill episode about what cults are,

00:26:58.680 what they look like, and how they act.

00:27:00.980 And I think you will see very quickly, Omega House is Luann's sorority.

00:27:05.860 What I'm babbling about is how the Omega cult recruits unsuspecting young women from 0.98

00:27:09.800 campus, deprives them of protein, bathrooms, and all contact with their families and friends,

00:27:15.000 then ships them off to a ranch for general enslavement.

00:27:18.240 Oh, God.

00:27:19.100 Excuse me, are y'all with the cult?

00:27:21.040 We're not a cult.

00:27:22.360 We're an organization that promotes love.

00:27:24.560 Yeah, this is it.

00:27:25.380 In this part, I would call your attention to the name changes, which is a very common tactic

00:27:30.620 in cults, to have people adopt new names and new identities, as well as unique titles,

00:27:36.520 salutations, and greetings.

00:27:38.440 Cults do this for a few reasons, but probably the biggest is it's really powerful at separating

00:27:43.260 people from their existing support networks, because when their support networks regard

00:27:47.900 these individuals by their old identities, the cult will say, like, well, that's an attack

00:27:54.920 on you, or that's violence against you.

00:27:56.840 And through that, they're able to prevent these people from being able to reconcile as easily

00:28:02.900 or have as fluid conversations with their natural support network.

00:28:07.600 It also makes it very hard for these individuals to talk to people who aren't indoctrinated into

00:28:14.280 the cult's ways, and therefore don't know how to talk to them within this very narrow and

00:28:20.000 from a mainstream societal perspective, bizarre rule set, which is unique to the cult itself.

00:28:25.420 Peggy, Luann, it's me, your husband, and your uncle.

00:28:29.000 We don't have any Peggy's or Luann's.

00:28:31.540 You're thinking of blonde Jane and old Jane, and they don't want to see you. 0.97

00:28:35.420 Another common cult tactic to look out for is any group that shames individuals for eating

00:28:41.260 meat or getting proper sleep.

00:28:43.560 Through denying people the, well, the regular resources that the human brain needs to stay

00:28:49.300 sharp, it's very easy to cloud an individual's mind and convince them of absurd things.

00:28:55.580 It's too late.

00:28:56.860 They've been deprived of protein so long that their bodies are feeding off their own brains.

00:29:01.220 They're nothing but soulless autonomatonamatons.

00:29:04.040 I'd also really encourage people, if a loved one, a parent, a sibling, tells you you have

00:29:11.460 joined a cult, or they think that you have joined a group that is acting like a cult, and

00:29:16.580 this is not an accusation that they've made to you before.

00:29:19.460 Or, like, okay, maybe you have a sibling or a parent that just says everything's a cult,

00:29:23.740 basically.

00:29:24.140 They say Pokemon's a cult.

00:29:25.500 Whatever.

00:29:25.980 Ignore that.

00:29:26.440 But if you have one who has not said this to you before, or even worse, if they have

00:29:32.620 said it to you before, and on reflection you realized after leaving that group that it

00:29:37.180 actually was displaying cult-like behavior, please, please take that seriously.

00:29:42.060 Parents and siblings don't just drop this accusation out of the blue.

00:29:44.960 If they say that you've been brainwashed, or that you're being manipulated, please take

00:29:49.800 it seriously.

00:29:50.600 This is a common scene with all cults.

00:29:53.080 It's parents yelling at their kids, you are being brainwashed, you are being brainwashed,

00:29:57.340 and the kids thinking that the parents are just out of touch.

00:30:01.200 You can't get on the bus.

00:30:03.140 Trust me, you joined a cult.

00:30:05.900 Come on.

00:30:09.740 No, do not listen to that he person.

00:30:12.540 He is on the wrong side of the love fence.

00:30:16.680 The more times you hear a group use terms like love, validation, acceptance, belonging,

00:30:25.120 especially when they twist these words to mean things that they historically didn't mean,

00:30:30.640 you know, like in this scene, they call it a love fence.

00:30:34.460 That is high red blaring signs that you are dealing with a cult.

00:30:40.000 Cults always coat their actions in this facade of love, and particularly unity, because unity

00:30:49.480 can be used as a concept to stamp out dissenting thought.

00:30:52.580 I'm sorry, Hank.

00:30:53.800 My new friends have invited me to spend eternity, I think, with them.

00:30:58.380 All right.

00:30:59.180 Have fun, then.

00:31:00.040 But maybe a bite for the road.

00:31:01.920 Jane, get back here! 1.00

00:31:03.600 My name is not Jane.

00:31:05.120 My name is Peggy.

00:31:06.740 And I love meat.

00:31:08.360 That's funny.

00:31:09.820 I can't remember my name.

00:31:11.640 I think it starts with an R.

00:31:14.280 It's in the van.

00:31:18.840 Jim, Julie, Jim, Julie! 0.80

00:31:22.280 Next scene will show how cults often recruit people.

00:31:25.940 And it's very important to look for these actions in the organizations that you are interacting with.

00:31:31.160 First, you'll note love and unity are going to be two of the core values that a cult will

00:31:37.260 always put out, because unity allows them to silence dissent as a concept, and also it

00:31:44.460 often means, you know, unity under the accepted authority or hierarchy of the group.

00:31:49.800 If you're talking about the urban monoculture, this might be a gender or ethnic-based authority,

00:31:55.020 but in more traditional cults, it'll just be a generic hierarchy.

00:31:59.800 Another thing that you'll see very frequently is love bombing, and it's a very important 1.00

00:32:03.640 thing to look out for.

00:32:05.300 This will often happen if you see, like, a group of people in a circle, and they're all

00:32:10.300 just constantly affirming someone, you know, telling them how great the decisions they're

00:32:14.680 making are, how great what they're doing is, how great they are as a person, especially

00:32:19.500 if they're doing this while looking for ways that they can create divisions between this

00:32:25.720 individual and their traditional support network, like their family, that is almost certainly

00:32:30.880 a cult.

00:32:31.260 Even if it wasn't, like, created as a cult, as we've mentioned in other episodes, like,

00:32:35.180 has a cult evolved under the trans movement?

00:32:37.160 It just, a cult-like behavior, if it is protected from criticism, begins to self-replicate, and

00:32:46.320 in society where we have certain groups that, you know, I think may need legitimate protection,

00:32:52.160 like the trans community, unfortunately, within far progressive circles, any accusation of,

00:32:57.580 oh, you're doing something wrong here, you're doing something bad here, is unallowed if it's

00:33:01.680 targeted at something that's seen as trans.

00:33:03.200 So, the negative behavioral traits weren't able to be called out, and it basically evolved

00:33:09.820 a organically formed cult with most of the behavior patterns that you see in other cults,

00:33:16.880 as you'll see from this scene.

00:33:19.360 As an organization that promotes love and unity, Omega House appreciates a mother as caring as

00:33:26.320 you are.

00:33:26.820 I wish I could jump in your head and crawl around.

00:33:29.460 You seem like a fascinating individual.

00:33:31.780 You are probably very popular.

00:33:35.240 Actually, no.

00:33:36.820 It's difficult to find people you can really connect with.

00:33:39.960 People of high intellect often intimidate people.

00:33:43.460 And you are of high intellect, Peggy.

00:33:46.480 No matter what you've been told by your husband.

00:33:49.140 Mmm.

00:33:49.720 Your father.

00:33:51.480 Mmm.

00:33:51.740 Not really.

00:33:53.400 Mother.

00:33:54.280 How did you know?

00:33:56.600 Because we love you.

00:33:58.460 You know what I love about this place?

00:33:59.840 Nobody ever gets tired of hearing about me.

00:34:02.560 My hobbies, favorite movies, my deep-seated resentment towards my soul-crushing mother.

00:34:08.100 Oh, okay.

00:34:08.780 This is a cult.

00:34:09.920 Yeah.

00:34:11.140 I should have known, yeah, this ultra-urban monoculture is what we historically would have

00:34:16.740 recognized as a cult.

00:34:19.380 And they do all of the cult things.

00:34:21.400 One joke I remembered, and I have constantly tried to find this.

00:34:24.220 It was from an old 90s media.

00:34:25.420 So I am done because I've asked AI and I can't find it, and maybe somebody in the comments

00:34:29.160 will find this source of media.

00:34:31.600 I found it.

00:34:32.380 It was from Bubble Boy, and you'll get to see it.

00:34:35.780 And it even includes the name change that I mentioned before.

00:34:39.820 It's just a classic cult thing.

00:34:41.700 Any group where people start changing their names, watch out, buddy.

00:34:45.780 But I remember a scene where a bunch of people were on the bus, and the cult members

00:34:50.800 had their genitals removed, because that was seen as a joke thing that a lot of cults 0.93

00:34:54.280 did, is that the cult members would have themselves castrated. 0.99

00:34:57.560 And that was seen as like a sign that you would join a cult.

00:35:00.480 Or the types of wording that I will put from the King of the Hill episode, that would be

00:35:04.600 seen as like a sign that you would join a cult.

00:35:06.760 And you should know when a group's talking like that, stay away from them, stay away

00:35:10.240 from them, stay away from them.

00:35:11.540 The clue that is the holy guide to living pure.

00:35:14.360 This will help explain.

00:35:15.480 First, we prepare our souls by stripping ourselves of all sexual desires.

00:35:26.820 Her name's Lorraine, too? 1.00

00:35:28.940 We're all Lorraine, and you will be Todd.

00:35:32.640 A name chosen especially for you by guilt.

00:35:36.360 Oh, you're an oppressed minority. 1.00

00:35:39.360 You're a cult! 0.94

00:35:43.740 Finally, stop! 0.83

00:35:44.760 But people don't know anymore.

00:35:46.600 They don't know, oh, there's this weird vegetarian group that tells me to hate my parents, and

00:35:51.320 that my parents have traumatized me.

00:35:52.920 They say that they're all about love and caring, and that they're the people who really care

00:35:57.240 about me.

00:35:57.920 This is not like the modern GSA.

00:36:01.560 And it didn't used to be like this.

00:36:03.180 Like, I was in the GSA thing in high school.

00:36:04.620 I supported it in high school.

00:36:06.360 It has been taken over by a cult.

00:36:07.760 We've entered Clown World Timeline, and it's different.

00:36:16.000 It's different.

00:36:17.140 People want to hear your thoughts, Simone.

00:36:19.800 Oh, by the way, anyone who's here is like, you're just trying to shill your book.

00:36:22.400 I'm sorry.

00:36:22.740 Our book is owned by a nonprofit and costs 99 cents in its e-book form.

00:36:26.300 And in its physical form, we have it literally the lowest margin.

00:36:29.860 Amazon will allow it to set it.

00:36:31.440 So no, we're not trying to make money.

00:36:34.020 We're not going to make any money.

00:36:35.260 And if you literally don't have 99 cents to spend on the book, just email us at partners

00:36:40.260 at pragmatistfoundation.com, and you'll get it for free.

00:36:43.140 So leave us a positive review, though.

00:36:44.700 I'd really appreciate that.

00:36:45.600 That would help a lot.

00:36:46.760 Yeah.

00:36:46.940 The more positive reviews we get, the more that we can get it in the Amazon algorithm,

00:36:51.280 which helps us a lot.

00:36:52.260 But Simone, I want to end with saying that the fans keep saying they want to hear you

00:36:55.600 talk more.

00:36:56.060 You're the smart one of the two of us.

00:36:57.600 All the fans think.

00:36:58.840 I hear it in the comments.

00:37:00.200 They go, Simone is the mastermind. 0.97

00:37:02.360 Why doesn't she talk more?

00:37:03.860 Go.

00:37:04.360 And I will explain that the audience thinks that I'm the mastermind or thinks that I'm

00:37:07.960 smart because I don't speak as much.

00:37:10.020 And I once read this book when I was a kid that was all about how to do corporate power

00:37:15.760 plays in the political world as a manly man who has wide shoulders.

00:37:21.080 And one of the big power plays was to basically never speak and just to look unimpressed and

00:37:28.300 lean back in your chair and be very pithy.

00:37:31.420 And I'm not intentionally doing that.

00:37:33.740 I just really think that what Malcolm has to say is far more interesting.

00:37:36.860 And I don't have a whole lot to add.

00:37:38.600 The role that I play in our relationship is I ask them questions.

00:37:41.540 And then often when Malcolm tries to explain herself himself or clarify what he's trying

00:37:45.620 to say, then he ends up coming up with some new idea that's even better.

00:37:49.860 Use my techniques and I don't care who you're negotiating against, you'll win.

00:37:55.900 You're going to wear dark colors with a single power accent.

00:37:59.420 Every hair in place, hair movement is a sign of weakness.

00:38:03.480 And whatever you do, don't speak first.

00:38:06.860 90% of negotiations are lost by the person who speaks first.

00:38:11.860 Because what is speaking a sign of?

00:38:17.280 Weakness?

00:38:17.900 You outfired.

00:38:21.200 So you've lost the initiative, perhaps by being a woman or a shorter man.

00:38:25.420 But you can regain it by fighting on your home turf.

00:38:29.120 I thought you might do that, which is why I'm going to be the first person to do power quiet 1.00

00:38:33.060 talking, forcing you to lean in and wonder if you're missing any key phrases, like an idiot. 0.99

00:38:38.280 I thought you'd try power quiet talking, which is why I'm wearing a hearing aid. 1.00

00:38:43.760 Still, mate.

00:38:44.660 So I do help him come up with better ideas and I do play an important role in the ideas 0.95

00:38:48.820 that we jointly generate, but it's only by asking dumb questions. 0.86

00:38:52.500 So don't let the fact that I don't speak a lot make you think that I am somehow this puppet 0.96

00:38:57.660 master or this mastermind or this very smart person.

00:39:01.100 It's just because when you don't hear someone talk, it's a whole lot easier to pedestalize

00:39:05.280 them.

00:39:05.640 It's a whole lot easier to assume that they're going to say something smart.

00:39:08.600 And then as soon as they open their mouths, they expose themselves to criticism.

00:39:12.040 They expose themselves to any sort of scrutiny that's going to reveal that they're imperfect.

00:39:18.340 That's what the puppet master would say.

00:39:20.220 No, no, it's not.

00:39:21.660 And I would say everyone who chooses to criticize you, Malcolm, for your whatever out there views

00:39:29.680 or be like, but this and then, and you missed this, or you're wrong about that. 1.00

00:39:33.200 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:39:34.000 And why don't you publish something yourself online? 1.00

00:39:36.220 Why don't you expose yourself to scrutiny?

00:39:38.140 So few people online post anything at all.

00:39:40.560 The people who have the balls to even leave a comment are doing something amazing, but just

00:39:44.580 keep in mind that so few people are willing to expose themselves to any scrutiny.

00:39:48.300 Most of the people who do bother to publish something online and expose themselves to

00:39:52.320 scrutiny are just repeating other people's ideas and not actually putting themselves out

00:39:56.440 there in the personal way.

00:39:58.160 And I really admire the fact, Malcolm, that you're doing that. 0.98

00:40:00.960 And I'm just reflecting on what you say and asking dumb questions. 0.94

00:40:03.520 You make my life easy. 0.96

00:40:04.660 You make my job on this podcast easy.

00:40:06.240 And you also do all the prep, all the editing, all the publishing.

00:40:09.320 So I'm grateful to you for that.

00:40:10.380 And I love you a lot.

00:40:10.940 I really like the point you made there that I would say.

00:40:13.780 The point that you're the smart one and know that I love you and you're pretty.

00:40:16.480 Put your ideas out there if you do want to criticize.

00:40:18.660 But if your ideas are just going along with what the urban monoculture thinks or what

00:40:23.220 your cultural group thinks, i.e.

00:40:25.020 like your average Presbyterian view or your average Catholic view, like you're not actually

00:40:30.640 moving anything forward.

00:40:31.800 Yeah, congratulations.

00:40:32.780 You've copied someone's notes.

00:40:34.180 You can't transcribe.

00:40:35.480 But it's not even really putting yourself out there because like you...

00:40:39.120 It wasn't your idea in the first place.

00:40:40.440 No, but what I mean is you have a preset community that's going to back you.

00:40:44.020 Like you don't have to feel uncomfortable with your beliefs or views if it's what some

00:40:49.200 large group that has a defensive mechanism thinks.

00:40:52.520 This is one of my criticisms of Fundy Fridays that we did recently is she has zero takes 1.00

00:40:56.900 that go in any way against the urban monoculture.

00:40:59.700 Yes, she goes around criticizing people, but it's with the backing of this giant institutional

00:41:04.080 system where she just refuses to have unique takes. 0.99

00:41:08.200 And a note to self here, when Simone is talking, I want to have the Jack Donaghy negotiation

00:41:12.740 advice scene play because he does one about being quiet.

00:41:16.180 Oh, he does?

00:41:17.040 It's such a thing.

00:41:18.060 I can't remember this book that I read.

00:41:19.480 I got it from the library.

00:41:20.620 It was back when I'd walked down library aisles and I had free time and I would just choose

00:41:24.000 books that looked interesting.

00:41:25.320 God, it was so much fun.

00:41:27.120 And it's such a thing. 1.00

00:41:28.960 And it's so stupid. 1.00

00:41:30.760 It's so stupid. 1.00

00:41:31.740 I've got to, I've got to, but the audience doesn't want to hear an explanation of why 1.00

00:41:35.780 you're not talking.

00:41:36.400 They want to hear you engage with this subject.

00:41:37.660 So talk about the therapizing of kids.

00:41:40.340 What's going on with this and the dangers of therapy in a modern context.

00:41:43.960 What are your thoughts on this topic, on this study?

00:41:48.180 God, you've just been so articulate in talking about it.

00:41:50.280 I will say that my personal experience with therapy as a kid was that it did not resolve

00:41:56.900 my depression, that at one point I tried to convince my father that instead of paying

00:42:01.320 $60 an hour for a therapist, it was someone who's nice.

00:42:06.040 It just, I didn't find it to be particularly helpful that he should just pay me $60 an hour

00:42:10.600 and I'll just stop acting so sad.

00:42:12.440 That is the most baller based as F move for an adolescent girl who is feeling depression

00:42:22.260 and it was like, I am depressed, but I realized I can get undepressed for $60 an hour.

00:42:27.540 Yeah.

00:42:27.940 That's what you're paying. 1.00

00:42:29.180 Shit. 1.00

00:42:29.600 Like you got it. 1.00

00:42:31.120 I'll put it right in order.

00:42:33.160 But then ultimately my own dad came up with the solution, for example, that cured my extremely

00:42:39.420 dangerous eating disorder where I just was losing and losing weight.

00:42:43.140 Like I'm five, eight and a half and I weighed under a hundred pounds at one point and that's

00:42:45.980 pretty unhealthy.

00:42:47.320 And he just figured out that if I could actually control that for me, it was about control and

00:42:52.620 that if I could weigh and measure all of my food and I had to balance calories and then

00:42:55.780 calories out, I would be able to feel like I still had control and not die maybe.

00:43:00.320 And so I just, I think that parents should not underestimate the extent to which they can

00:43:06.680 look at their children and come up with solutions to their problems.

00:43:11.120 And you've done this a lot.

00:43:12.900 Like you had this revelation a couple of weeks ago where you were like, you know what?

00:43:16.200 We need to stop thinking about what society assumes our kids want for birthday parties,

00:43:21.220 for going to bed, for activities and look at what they say they want and look at what they

00:43:26.300 react to and just build custom solutions for them.

00:43:29.080 And each of our kids need something a little different.

00:43:31.120 And sometimes they're pretty counterintuitive.

00:43:33.080 And I really admire the fact that you said that.

00:43:35.020 And I'll point out that the other major sources of my depression and my, especially like behavior

00:43:40.780 that was maladaptive was in response to a school environment or a lifestyle that really

00:43:47.020 didn't work for me.

00:43:48.100 And that in many cases, the best thing you can do as a parent is try to find the source

00:43:53.420 of the issue.

00:43:54.080 A therapist is not going to change the fact that your kid, for example, is just really

00:43:59.160 not dealing well with your school schedule or that their homeroom teacher is just terrible

00:44:04.680 and hates them, makes their lives miserable every day.

00:44:07.500 A lot of the people who've left comments on the YouTube video that you made on just how

00:44:12.760 bad is daycare and also other YouTube videos you've done on the schooling system, they've

00:44:16.120 pointed out how, oh, my kid would come home with dark circles under his eyes.

00:44:19.640 He would have tantrums.

00:44:20.860 My kid had huge anxiety.

00:44:21.840 And then as soon as we moved them to homeschool.

00:44:23.720 So I would say, trust yourself as a parent, listen to your kid and consider changing their

00:44:28.160 environment and surroundings.

00:44:29.060 And that's probably going to handle 90 plus percent of your kid's mental illness problems,

00:44:35.520 even like serious chemical depression, which is what I was experiencing.

00:44:39.060 I never actually went on antidepressants.

00:44:41.380 I only ever experienced lifestyle changes that significantly evaporated my depression that

00:44:49.460 was very serious and in some cases life-threatening.

00:44:52.420 So that's what I'll add.

00:44:53.460 When you went to therapy as a kid, and that was a great addition, by the way, did they

00:44:58.860 do trauma-based therapy?

00:45:00.400 Were they like, look for trauma in your childhood?

00:45:02.480 No.

00:45:02.940 My therapist was a family friend of my parents.

00:45:05.740 So I think they trusted her, who had primarily stopped practicing and become like a poet.

00:45:13.500 That's good that you were in this sort of last wave of non-trauma-based therapy.

00:45:17.400 Yeah.

00:45:17.580 And this is what people should also note, in terms of like when to nope out, the moment

00:45:22.360 somebody starts talking about trauma, they're trying to brainwash.

00:45:24.680 And she was definitely, so she came from the old school, which I guess now would be seen

00:45:28.740 as mansplaining, right?

00:45:30.080 Like the new philosophy is don't address grievances like a man in a relationship where the woman 0.57

00:45:36.320 shows up and she's like, oh, my day was so bad.

00:45:38.180 And he's like, why don't you do this to solve the problem?

00:45:39.800 Why don't you do that?

00:45:40.400 He's supposed to just listen and say, oh, that was so horrible.

00:45:44.020 Oh gosh, I understand.

00:45:45.300 Oh, huh, huh, huh.

00:45:46.180 And that's what therapy has become.

00:45:48.540 Whereas she was at old school therapy, which was more mansplaining. 1.00

00:45:51.880 Like I would talk about how like I had these huge like contagion fears and I couldn't touch

00:45:55.220 people.

00:45:55.520 And she's like, what's the worst thing that would happen if someone touched you?

00:45:57.880 Maybe tried it?

00:45:58.820 Like, and that was pretty great.

00:46:00.760 It didn't solve my problems because I still just had this really intense stress.

00:46:04.900 And you still have that.

00:46:06.020 It did solve her problems for anyone who has these sorts of problems.

00:46:09.200 Understanding that those are her limitations and then building systems around them, even though

00:46:14.360 they make her look weird.

00:46:15.540 Which is what my dad eventually did for me.

00:46:17.420 And which is what you helped to expand by being like, it's okay.

00:46:20.200 And also I loved your mom's motto.

00:46:22.520 Like again, and I've mentioned this on other podcasts, but I knew that I could be okay in

00:46:26.980 your family.

00:46:27.720 When your mom told me on a phone call that one of the family mottos was, I'm not okay.

00:46:32.960 You're not okay.

00:46:34.060 And that's okay. 1.00

00:46:35.680 Essentially saying we're all fucked up in this family. 0.99

00:46:38.500 Don't worry about it. 0.99

00:46:39.820 You're still welcome here.

00:46:40.920 I don't have to like the way that you have to weigh all your food when we go to fancy

00:46:44.220 restaurants.

00:46:44.860 Yes, it's going to be embarrassing, but whatever.

00:46:46.580 It's not that big of a deal.

00:46:47.780 I'd rather have you be there.

00:46:48.900 But I think that that was the thing that got you through it.

00:46:52.100 It was realizing you didn't need to worry about other people's judgments at fancy restaurants.

00:46:56.280 Yeah.

00:46:56.480 Like it's not okay, but also screw it.

00:46:59.020 Do it anyway.

00:47:00.220 Or realizing that it's okay for you to ask me for personal space that I don't enter.

00:47:04.740 You know, that is fine.

00:47:05.920 It is okay for you to ask me, don't touch you when you're eating.

00:47:08.140 Well, like it's not okay, but sometimes not okay is going to have to be okay.

00:47:12.200 No, it is okay.

00:47:13.280 The point I'm making is that there are certain fights to have and certain fights not to have.

00:47:17.760 Yeah.

00:47:18.060 Choose your hill to die on for sure.

00:47:19.860 Pick your battles.

00:47:20.340 The way to focus of that is this podcast.

00:47:21.720 We have a lot of new viewers and they don't know why we're in separate rooms in the same house.

00:47:25.700 Simone is autistic.

00:47:26.740 You can explain why are we in separate rooms.

00:47:29.340 Yeah.

00:47:29.660 I really can't think straight when I'm around other people.

00:47:33.560 I guess infants don't count because there's still so much a part of my body, but yeah,

00:47:37.860 if we're actually going to have intellectual conversations, we're going to do it far more

00:47:40.820 effectively if I'm not making eye contact with a person, if I'm not in the room, like literally

00:47:46.520 I'm not even making eye contact with Malcolm on our, on stream yard right now.

00:47:50.800 I am watching an Instagram reel of a Japanese chef cutting tonkatsu again and again on a loop.

00:47:59.120 And then that's how we get mental efficiency from her. 1.00

00:48:01.940 And people are like, but that's weird.

00:48:03.700 And it's like, but it works.

00:48:05.300 Yeah.

00:48:05.680 And I think when you are okay, so much of what we're doing, people are like, don't do that.

00:48:10.300 That's a weird thing to do.

00:48:11.720 And it's like, yeah, but why is it bad?

00:48:14.240 It would be bad for me for X, Y, and Z.

00:48:17.060 And it's like, yeah, but we're not you.

00:48:18.860 Yeah.

00:48:19.300 Why is it bad for us?

00:48:21.280 And I think that this is how you really power through as well is one, take control of your

00:48:25.460 emotional states.

00:48:26.040 And two, recognize your limits and build your lifestyle around those limits while respecting

00:48:31.320 the limits of your partner, looking for the actual things.

00:48:35.200 Like if something's just unreasonable, everything, the trigger to someone, then you're like, you

00:48:38.640 just have to get over that.

00:48:40.000 That's the way you are with like going to parties.

00:48:41.640 Like it is a nightmare for you, but sometimes you just have to do it.

00:48:45.580 And I'm like, you don't have a choice.

00:48:47.340 You'll come to me and you'll be like, do I have permission to not go to this?

00:48:49.520 And I often say, no, you don't have permission to not go to this.

00:48:51.520 So yeah, absolutely.

00:48:53.320 What was another thing that we've seen recently was, I don't know.

00:48:56.580 Anyway, I just love you to death.

00:48:57.920 I love that we have found systems that work for us.

00:49:01.000 And I would encourage other people to search for systems that look for them and stay out

00:49:06.940 of the psychology industry.

00:49:08.760 For people who want to hear more on how psychology has become a cult, look up our video, has psychology

00:49:14.420 become a cult or our video to be sad is to send or our video, the trauma conspiracy.

00:49:20.780 All of which deal with this topic or aspects of this topic in a lot more detail.

00:49:26.080 Yeah.

00:49:26.600 Yeah.

00:49:26.940 Stop taking Tylenol and just avoid walking on beds of nails.

00:49:32.560 So love you.

00:49:34.400 Love you too.

00:49:37.040 Okay.

00:49:37.600 I'm going to go downstairs and start shredding that chicken for taco night.

00:49:40.940 Do you remember to re-up the slow cooker?

00:49:43.640 Re-up?

00:49:44.460 Yeah.

00:49:44.860 I did it at like 2 p.m.

00:49:46.700 Great.

00:49:48.520 I love you.

00:49:49.680 I love you too.

00:49:51.060 You're perfect.

00:49:52.280 No, you're perfecter.

00:49:54.240 You're perfecter.

00:49:55.540 The perfect dust.

00:49:57.260 I love you so much. 1.00

00:49:59.000 You are just too gay. 1.00

00:50:01.040 I'm gay for Malcolm. 1.00

00:50:02.600 That's the dream.

00:50:04.020 Love you, Sadat.

00:50:04.880 Love you too.

00:50:05.440 I'll see you downstairs.

Based Camp - July 09, 2024

Shock Study： Psychologists (+Far Left) Turn Teens Against Parents (& Destroy Their Mental Health)

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