Based Camp - February 03, 2025


Should Canada Be Allowed to Kill Homeless People If They Are Sad？


Episode Stats

Length

47 minutes

Words per Minute

180.16074

Word Count

8,541

Sentence Count

460

Misogynist Sentences

11

Hate Speech Sentences

24


Summary

In this episode, we talk about assisted living in Canada and why it should be legal. We also discuss the tragic story of Christine Gothier, a former Paralympian and Canadian Army veteran who completed in the 2016 Rio de Janeiro Paralympics.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Well, Carl Hill thinks I should put my cat to sleep,
00:00:02.640 but I don't know how to talk to Laura about it.
00:00:04.200 Oh, Mr. Republican conservative tightass here
00:00:07.780 suddenly believes in assisted death.
00:00:09.840 If you think it's humane to put an old and sick cat to sleep,
00:00:12.760 then why is it illegal to do it for humans?
00:00:15.320 Yeah, how come, Carl?
00:00:17.600 Because only human beings have a soul, Mr. President.
00:00:20.880 Because only human beings have a soul, Larry.
00:00:24.660 Not according to a Hindu.
00:00:26.440 What's a Hindu?
00:00:27.400 Lays eggs.
00:00:27.980 Look, George?
00:00:30.260 You need to take a cold, hard look at your stance on youth in Asia.
00:00:34.820 Oh, I don't care about them.
00:00:36.960 They're conformists and they're communists.
00:00:38.940 Who?
00:00:39.480 The youth in Asia.
00:00:42.540 Come on, you know, Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, look at these.
00:00:47.860 Hello, Simone.
00:00:49.360 Today we are going to be talking about assisted unaliving in Canada.
00:00:54.420 And our take on this,
00:00:56.860 it may be exactly what people think it's going to be,
00:00:58.980 but it might also really surprise people
00:01:01.420 if they think it's going to be the standard conservative reactionary take.
00:01:05.100 It's definitely not on that because I've seen a lot of, you know, activists go out there.
00:01:10.960 For people to understand just how much assisted unaliving is being used in Canada right now,
00:01:17.940 there's a program that they call MADE.
00:01:19.600 And in Quebec right now, it made up 7.2% of all deaths this last year.
00:01:25.460 So about 1 in 14 deaths.
00:01:28.720 And right now in 2023, there were 15,343 MAID provisions reported across Canada.
00:01:38.480 This accounts for 4.7% of all deaths in Canada or roughly 1 in 20 deaths.
00:01:45.340 So it's really bad in some districts, like, you know, in the French district where they have no reason to live anyway.
00:01:50.200 I mean, is really bad the right term or is it just very popular in some districts?
00:01:55.300 Well, this is where Ubisoft is based, so I can understand why with Assassin's Creed shadows being out there right now.
00:02:02.900 It's better to just end it, yeah.
00:02:05.040 If I was on that team, if I was on that team and I saw this product I'd made,
00:02:09.260 I'd just be like, can we edit out the Black guy that we had killing tons of people in Japan?
00:02:16.260 Like, it seems racist, right?
00:02:18.280 You know, I thought we were doing an anti-racist thing.
00:02:20.900 When he fights, there is a hip-hop soundtrack only for him.
00:02:23.860 Greed cannot rule this village.
00:02:29.920 Not while I have breath in my lungs and a blade in my head.
00:02:34.500 I said kill him!
00:02:40.940 Brought to you by...
00:02:43.640 You get in a car with them, they turn on the hip-hop channel, and then they look at you.
00:02:50.900 This one's for you.
00:02:52.080 Who do you think you are?
00:02:53.860 Oh my god, bro.
00:02:58.040 But anyway, anyway, the statistics get crazier, okay?
00:03:01.960 But we're going to go over the My Favorite Made instance here.
00:03:05.380 It's one you may have heard before, but I had never heard the full story.
00:03:08.320 Okay.
00:03:08.720 So, Christine Gothier, a 54-year-old Canadian Army veteran and former Paralympian who completed in the 2016 Rio de Janeiro Paralympics and Invictus Games.
00:03:21.800 So, a very, you know, I can make this work person.
00:03:26.740 Yeah.
00:03:27.340 Did you know that people who use wheelchairs also play basketball?
00:03:31.900 I want you to meet some of my friends on the New York Rolling Fury.
00:03:36.020 Check out some of the action.
00:03:37.200 I see it gets really intense during practice and games.
00:03:47.200 So, have you ever thought about killing yourself?
00:03:49.820 Because life's not supposed to be hard.
00:03:52.260 Not even a little.
00:03:53.420 People who aren't disabled, their lives are super easy.
00:03:55.700 It's just you.
00:03:56.580 Just you who has a hard life.
00:03:57.640 She lives with a muscular skeletal disorder affecting her back, legs, and hips, resulting from a training accident in 1989 that caused permanent damage to her knees and spine.
00:04:08.600 So, in 2022, so keep in mind, this was only six years after completing the Paralympic Games.
00:04:15.980 Okay.
00:04:16.840 Very healthy, successful person.
00:04:19.420 Yeah, very healthy, successful person.
00:04:21.720 She testified before the House of Commons.
00:04:24.080 Oh, so this had already happened before that.
00:04:26.000 Committee that a Veterans Affair, so a VAC employee, had offered her medical assistance in dying.
00:04:33.940 Key points include that Gauthier had been trying to get a wheelchair ramp installed in her home for five years.
00:04:40.460 During a phone call with a VAC caseworker, where Gauthier was described being her deteriorating condition, the employee allegedly had mentioned that she had the quote-unquote right to die.
00:04:52.940 Gauthier claims she received a letter from VAC offering MAID, stating, quote,
00:04:58.560 If you are so desperate, madame, we can offer you MAID, medical assistance in dying, end quote.
00:05:04.800 You piss off a Canadian bureaucrat, they will send you the full unaliving kit.
00:05:09.820 The offer reportedly included providing the necessary equipment for MAID.
00:05:15.040 Oh, that's nice.
00:05:15.940 Simone, they didn't just send her, like, a, this is how you apply for it.
00:05:20.740 They sent an effing kit to her house.
00:05:24.220 Yeah.
00:05:24.520 Because she complained about how long it was taking to get her wheelchair thing installed.
00:05:29.200 That's amazing.
00:05:29.840 Wouldn't it be just hilarious if the kit was just a gun in a box?
00:05:34.180 No, I don't.
00:05:34.860 I want it to be a hammer in a box.
00:05:36.400 A hammer?
00:05:36.960 Oh, my God.
00:05:38.080 Like in the Team America.
00:05:39.180 Gary, well, you'll probably want to take your own life.
00:05:44.420 Here, you'd better have this.
00:05:52.220 All right, team, that's it.
00:05:54.800 That is how my world handles MAID.
00:05:57.860 But as we go further with this, one thing that we need to be very realistic of,
00:06:01.080 I mean, as much as you have a visceral reaction against all of this,
00:06:03.840 realistically, governments are not going to be able to keep the elderly alive
00:06:08.820 if the demographic pyramid continues in the direction it's going right now.
00:06:12.000 Yeah, the demand will outstrip the supply in terms of taxpayer base to cover the cost
00:06:18.500 and people to execute the services.
00:06:21.480 So people will be looking at months, if not years, in wait time for basic services.
00:06:27.700 And governments will not be able to do anything about it.
00:06:30.560 Well, I mean, we'll reach a point where you'll have two, three elderly people
00:06:34.120 for every one taxpayer.
00:06:35.800 Yeah.
00:06:36.180 And there's a point where you need to go Logan's Run or Soylent Green on society.
00:06:42.300 I just mean this from a practicality standpoint.
00:06:44.800 The amount of, and people can be like, well, that's humans who are dying.
00:06:48.360 And it's like, humans are going to be dying either way in this scenario.
00:06:51.860 There are going to be inhumane elderly care facilities
00:06:56.000 with people who don't really care about the elderly,
00:06:58.360 as we already see in elderly care facilities that are really horrible environments.
00:07:02.880 But imagine, you know, when you have many more elderly person per staffer
00:07:08.260 and there's even less oversight because these elderly people don't have families
00:07:12.260 because they never took the time to make them.
00:07:14.200 So nobody cares if they're being abused.
00:07:16.100 Nobody cares what's happening to them.
00:07:18.640 And so we need to, you know, weigh both sides of this
00:07:20.900 with the understanding that this is the future that we're heading into.
00:07:23.520 Also note at the end of this, we're going to go over the biblical stuff on suicide
00:07:29.500 to cut to the chase on that.
00:07:32.220 The Bible is, seems very clearly not against suicide, to be honest.
00:07:38.940 Oh, really? That surprises me.
00:07:41.840 Specifically what we'll find is there's a number of specific mentions of suicide in the Bible
00:07:45.860 and nowhere is it condemned.
00:07:47.100 So we said, whoa, I thought this was like a really big thing
00:07:50.560 that suicide was super, super, super not okay.
00:07:52.520 This is one of the things that Catholics made up, but we'll get into this.
00:07:55.900 Okay.
00:07:57.560 Now, to go into made specifically,
00:08:00.640 where I think I start to not be as freaked out by it,
00:08:04.400 and then we'll get to some reasons why I am freaked out by it,
00:08:06.780 is when I go into the demographics of who's actually doing this.
00:08:09.240 You know, you'll hear about specific instances
00:08:10.940 of some, you know, young person who was talked into it
00:08:15.700 because they had a depressive episode.
00:08:17.520 But the reality is when I actually look at these,
00:08:19.940 it's parents who had estranged themselves from their kids.
00:08:22.940 Their kids wanted to end their lives.
00:08:25.820 The kids were probably going to do this anyway.
00:08:28.100 And they found this program and were like,
00:08:30.220 sure, I'll do it through this.
00:08:31.060 And then the parents freak out.
00:08:32.040 Like, how could you talk my kids into this, everything like this?
00:08:34.020 And it's like, you haven't talked to your kids in like seven years
00:08:37.280 and your kid is like 22.
00:08:39.680 Like, what do you mean how you abandoned them?
00:08:43.880 That's how it ended here.
00:08:46.080 You know, yeah, it's not the greatest thing
00:08:48.140 that the state is doing this, right?
00:08:50.320 But at the end of the day, is this different from,
00:08:53.060 you know, from my perspective?
00:08:55.260 Yeah, I just, and a lot of the people who you see on this,
00:08:57.900 and we'll actually get to the statistics on this,
00:09:00.140 the people who are against made are like,
00:09:01.440 can you believe made it so horrible?
00:09:03.600 Like the vast majority of people using it
00:09:05.100 are on state services.
00:09:06.060 The government is using it to cut costs.
00:09:08.640 And here I am like, well, I mean, you know.
00:09:11.640 It makes sense.
00:09:12.980 I mean, also, it, and I think this shows up in the numbers.
00:09:17.600 A bunch of like productive people.
00:09:20.040 Well, yeah, but also it seems like a huge portion
00:09:22.180 of the people who are using made
00:09:25.680 would otherwise be on palliative care.
00:09:27.820 They are terminally ill.
00:09:28.920 They are dying.
00:09:29.940 And they're choosing to die with dignity.
00:09:31.820 That's my understanding.
00:09:33.020 It's like, okay, there are obviously these.
00:09:34.680 Yeah, and that's what we'll get to here is,
00:09:36.660 is there's this idea of, okay,
00:09:39.280 made is like young people and the government's
00:09:42.280 tricking them into it, but that's just not true.
00:09:44.380 The median age of made recipients is 77.6 years old.
00:09:47.920 Yeah, that's, that is around the time
00:09:49.880 when people get terminally ill.
00:09:51.260 Median age.
00:09:52.380 Yeah.
00:09:52.640 96% of, now, now here's, here's potentially to the other side.
00:09:58.600 Okay.
00:09:58.780 96% of made recipients are Caucasian.
00:10:02.140 So isn't Canada a very white place?
00:10:04.960 Not at all.
00:10:06.380 96% seems right.
00:10:07.940 It's only 69.8% white.
00:10:10.920 What's the rest of Canada?
00:10:12.180 I'm guessing like Muslim and Indian and black, like.
00:10:17.320 Well, maybe there are cultural barriers
00:10:19.300 to choosing assisted dying when you are not white.
00:10:23.240 But I mean, it would probably,
00:10:24.240 it would obviously look a lot worse
00:10:25.880 if it was mostly non-white people
00:10:28.140 or not in proportion with the population
00:10:29.940 that we're using the services.
00:10:31.820 So almost better that it's mostly white people.
00:10:34.540 And then we're not, you know,
00:10:36.380 no one's claiming genocide.
00:10:38.660 No one's claiming some kind of racially biased.
00:10:41.080 Well, and keep in mind, these aren't,
00:10:43.240 if I'm going to be,
00:10:44.560 hmm, what's the way I can say this
00:10:46.340 that can't be pull quoted on me easily?
00:10:48.320 Yeah.
00:10:50.400 I just, you know, really want my kids
00:10:53.600 to be growing up in a world
00:10:56.120 where their community is fit.
00:10:59.220 And I mean that in terms of the way
00:11:01.180 genes can correlate with sociological profiles
00:11:03.960 and tendencies.
00:11:05.200 And I don't mind where fitness pressure
00:11:08.040 is being applied.
00:11:08.920 Now, if you want to go more
00:11:11.580 into the statistics here,
00:11:12.560 this might change your perception again.
00:11:14.580 Cancer was the most frequently cited
00:11:16.260 medical condition accounting
00:11:17.520 for 64% of cases.
00:11:19.560 That makes sense.
00:11:21.020 96% of cases involved individuals
00:11:23.220 whose natural death was deemed
00:11:24.780 reasonably foreseeable.
00:11:26.640 Now, I note here
00:11:28.240 that it is very easy to get on me.
00:11:30.480 There are doctors who will go around
00:11:31.860 and they basically just ask people like,
00:11:34.120 oh, you're schedule one.
00:11:35.800 That basically means
00:11:36.340 you just want to end your life
00:11:37.600 because you can get on schedule one
00:11:39.100 for anything.
00:11:39.780 Like saying I'm sad,
00:11:40.720 we'll get you on it.
00:11:41.320 Saying I have trouble controlling my emotions,
00:11:42.940 we'll get you on it.
00:11:43.800 Well, one of them went in
00:11:45.060 on the trigonometry show
00:11:46.340 was saying that all you have to do
00:11:47.760 is stop eating for 24 hours
00:11:49.420 and then you can get on the list.
00:11:50.780 So there are hats.
00:11:51.500 Yeah, you can get on schedule two,
00:11:53.040 which allows you to unalive yourself
00:11:54.680 within a day.
00:11:56.160 That's, yeah.
00:11:56.960 So I mean, like, clearly
00:11:57.900 this can be abused
00:11:59.260 or if someone manipulates it.
00:12:00.560 Clearly can be abused
00:12:01.480 and we'll get to instances
00:12:02.280 in which it has been abused.
00:12:04.380 But I will say here
00:12:05.820 that, again,
00:12:06.700 we need to like realistically understand
00:12:08.720 that eventually society
00:12:09.780 is going to reach this point.
00:12:11.900 And I think we can look at MAID
00:12:13.240 to see where this system is failing
00:12:14.680 while also understanding that,
00:12:16.940 you know,
00:12:17.300 Logan's Run, Soylent Green,
00:12:18.700 that's the future
00:12:19.500 if we can't figure out fertility rate.
00:12:21.400 We, obviously,
00:12:22.300 you and I are trying
00:12:23.020 to figure out fertility rate,
00:12:24.600 but I don't see a realistic scenario
00:12:26.340 in which we solve it before,
00:12:27.920 at least within some countries,
00:12:29.460 this becomes the only realistic option
00:12:32.220 to lower the number of people dying.
00:12:35.540 And keep in mind here,
00:12:36.380 I mean this in a strict sense,
00:12:38.200 lower the number of people dying.
00:12:41.240 Because you can't just save everyone.
00:12:42.780 That's like progressive nonsense.
00:12:45.480 Where they're like,
00:12:46.180 oh, we're just going to save everyone.
00:12:47.620 It's like, well, you know,
00:12:48.300 some people may not have the same value
00:12:50.200 to society as other people.
00:12:52.400 I'm sorry.
00:12:53.560 Well, but also,
00:12:54.320 you just can't save everyone.
00:12:56.080 And that's the problem.
00:12:57.260 Being like,
00:12:58.000 we're just going to save everyone
00:12:59.080 means that now
00:13:00.680 a lot of people
00:13:01.700 are going to be left in the lurch
00:13:03.840 with absolutely zero support whatsoever.
00:13:07.340 You know,
00:13:07.520 and so either there could be
00:13:08.420 some support,
00:13:09.340 some recourse,
00:13:10.180 some option that isn't terrible,
00:13:11.560 or there can be nothing.
00:13:15.020 And I think a lot of these people
00:13:16.200 are in situations
00:13:17.380 where either their death
00:13:18.580 would have been very protracted,
00:13:19.900 very painful,
00:13:20.660 very lonely,
00:13:21.980 very expensive.
00:13:22.840 And absolutely miserable.
00:13:24.200 Well, yeah,
00:13:24.840 and expensive to the state.
00:13:26.640 Absolutely.
00:13:27.020 That's like the big thing
00:13:28.940 of the big debate
00:13:30.280 or theme of palliative care
00:13:32.520 is basically
00:13:33.320 there's this very adverse incentive,
00:13:35.500 both economically
00:13:36.740 and ethically
00:13:37.940 with doctors
00:13:38.820 where hospitals
00:13:40.040 are incentivized
00:13:40.860 to just give
00:13:42.080 as many expensive procedures
00:13:43.180 as possible.
00:13:44.060 And also doctors
00:13:45.040 have like sort of sworn
00:13:45.940 to never do harm.
00:13:48.120 Between these two things,
00:13:49.320 basically,
00:13:49.720 even if someone's dying,
00:13:50.760 even if it's almost certain
00:13:52.040 that some procedure
00:13:53.060 to treat someone's cancer
00:13:54.520 is not going to do anything
00:13:56.160 to help cure them.
00:13:57.620 In fact,
00:13:58.100 it may isolate them
00:13:58.760 from their families
00:13:59.380 and make them deeply uncomfortable
00:14:00.480 for the final days
00:14:01.300 they have left.
00:14:02.560 Doctors and hospitals
00:14:03.440 are still going to say,
00:14:04.600 we recommend this procedure.
00:14:07.280 And if you don't take it,
00:14:08.160 you're going to have to sign
00:14:08.720 a billion forms
00:14:09.440 and talk about how
00:14:10.200 you're a terrible person
00:14:11.220 and you're letting yourself die.
00:14:12.780 And, you know,
00:14:13.660 we're going to make life
00:14:14.380 difficult for you.
00:14:15.320 And that happens,
00:14:16.560 especially in the United States.
00:14:17.720 I'm sure it happens
00:14:18.520 everywhere, though.
00:14:19.140 And that's what's so great
00:14:21.460 about this is that like,
00:14:23.420 I mean,
00:14:23.860 what palliative care
00:14:25.240 had originally posed
00:14:26.540 is, okay,
00:14:27.480 well, maybe just instead of
00:14:28.920 like actively going
00:14:32.640 through the MAID program
00:14:33.600 and having you
00:14:34.660 terminate your life
00:14:35.740 on your own terms,
00:14:37.400 just don't treat you.
00:14:39.120 That was what was revolutionary.
00:14:40.560 What if we just let you
00:14:41.340 live comfortably in your home
00:14:42.360 and manage your pain?
00:14:43.580 And this takes it a step further.
00:14:45.400 And honestly,
00:14:45.860 it's a lot more comfortable.
00:14:46.760 And it's something that my mom,
00:14:47.760 when she was passing away
00:14:48.660 from ovarian cancer,
00:14:50.440 really wanted.
00:14:51.480 And the options available
00:14:53.260 to her for euthanasia,
00:14:55.680 which she did eventually
00:14:56.680 get legally approved,
00:14:57.700 were so untenable
00:14:58.680 that by the time
00:14:59.320 she did get all the pills
00:15:00.380 that she needed to take
00:15:01.260 like self-administer at home
00:15:02.900 in order to euthanize herself.
00:15:04.900 And she couldn't keep them down.
00:15:06.300 Well, she couldn't even eat.
00:15:07.720 Her throat had closed up
00:15:08.660 from the cancer.
00:15:09.820 So how was she?
00:15:11.200 She couldn't swallow one pill,
00:15:12.600 let alone a whole bottle of pills
00:15:14.320 in fast succession.
00:15:15.180 So, yeah, I just,
00:15:17.280 I think this is great.
00:15:18.660 The only concern I had
00:15:19.720 is in this trigonometry
00:15:21.040 interview
00:15:23.260 that this one
00:15:24.060 huge anti-maid advocate had.
00:15:27.180 She talked about how
00:15:28.280 the meditations-
00:15:28.600 Because she was depressed
00:15:29.500 at one point
00:15:30.020 and wanted to kill herself.
00:15:31.040 And that's like her core argument.
00:15:32.120 And I'm like, well-
00:15:33.080 Yeah, it seems a lot of this,
00:15:34.400 yeah, I mean,
00:15:34.740 she's aware of some abuses
00:15:36.080 of the system
00:15:36.700 and those are entirely legitimate
00:15:38.060 and it's worth having
00:15:38.740 a conversation about them.
00:15:39.340 And we're going to talk about those.
00:15:40.800 She also seems to just have
00:15:41.800 a personal vendetta
00:15:42.600 against the program
00:15:43.280 because they keep being like,
00:15:44.120 well, lady,
00:15:44.620 why don't you just kill yourself?
00:15:45.640 And it makes her really mad.
00:15:47.420 But one of the things
00:15:48.660 that she brought up
00:15:49.260 that made me actually pause
00:15:51.000 was that she said
00:15:52.680 that the combination
00:15:55.100 of medications
00:15:55.760 that were being given
00:15:56.540 to people
00:15:56.960 caused pulmonary edema
00:15:58.320 and that they were essentially
00:15:59.740 drowning in their own bodies.
00:16:01.480 So she's telling the truth
00:16:02.500 but lying at the same time.
00:16:03.960 So here's what she's leaving out.
00:16:05.400 I looked into this, Simone.
00:16:06.700 I did too.
00:16:07.460 And I'm curious to say.
00:16:08.520 People are completely unconscious
00:16:10.580 when this happens.
00:16:11.840 Yeah.
00:16:12.100 It is true that it is happening
00:16:13.780 but they are also
00:16:14.560 completely unconscious
00:16:15.720 like anyone
00:16:16.660 when they're in a knocked out state.
00:16:18.480 Yeah.
00:16:18.820 I had asked if like
00:16:19.920 the propofol that causes
00:16:21.080 the deep coma
00:16:21.920 that is given to people
00:16:23.020 after the mint lazulam
00:16:26.100 which is a really,
00:16:26.920 really big calming
00:16:27.720 and like anxiety reducing sedative.
00:16:29.780 Like if after both those things
00:16:31.580 people have any shot
00:16:32.900 of maybe experiencing these things.
00:16:34.860 Because I mean,
00:16:35.560 when I hear deep coma,
00:16:36.660 I still think of like
00:16:37.380 all these movies
00:16:37.960 where like people are super.
00:16:39.340 No, no, no, no.
00:16:39.980 They are out, out.
00:16:41.020 Yeah.
00:16:41.500 They are super out.
00:16:42.500 So like, yes, it's happening
00:16:43.960 but no, they're not experiencing it.
00:16:48.600 And also I had wondered like,
00:16:50.160 well, why don't they just overdose people
00:16:51.600 with like morphine or something?
00:16:54.440 And the reason why
00:16:55.140 is that's actually
00:16:55.780 where you would have problems
00:16:56.960 because morphine doesn't consistently
00:16:59.100 euthanize people
00:17:00.820 when you give them really high doses.
00:17:02.360 Like it could backfire.
00:17:03.500 It could cause discomfort.
00:17:05.500 And so, yeah,
00:17:06.240 I'm not even concerned
00:17:08.280 about the drugs administered anymore.
00:17:11.040 Yeah.
00:17:11.540 So let's keep going here.
00:17:12.620 So, you know,
00:17:13.000 that 6.1% number of deaths
00:17:14.920 in Quebec could sound really high
00:17:16.760 until you consider
00:17:17.840 that in the United States,
00:17:19.180 19% of deaths were from cancer.
00:17:21.480 And if I had terminal cancer,
00:17:23.540 this is something
00:17:24.080 I would probably want to use
00:17:25.620 rather than waste.
00:17:27.000 Not even for me,
00:17:27.780 it's not even about the pain.
00:17:28.880 It's about the amount
00:17:29.920 of my kids' wealth
00:17:32.000 that could go to them
00:17:32.940 raising kids
00:17:33.860 that I would spend
00:17:35.000 on keeping myself comfortable
00:17:37.280 as I died of cancer,
00:17:38.980 which is astronomical.
00:17:40.120 The amount of money
00:17:40.860 you can spend
00:17:41.440 on the last few months of life
00:17:42.880 when you have cancer
00:17:43.680 is astronomical.
00:17:45.320 I'm talking millions of dollars.
00:17:47.040 Yeah.
00:17:47.200 And to your point,
00:17:47.920 that's maybe even
00:17:48.780 if you're not being treated.
00:17:50.020 Just getting palliative care
00:17:51.280 can be very fun.
00:17:51.980 Yeah, it's such a selfish
00:17:54.740 and self-centered,
00:17:55.860 from my perspective,
00:17:56.740 thing to do.
00:17:57.660 And we say this as people,
00:17:59.020 you know,
00:17:59.260 on both sides of our family
00:18:00.240 have decided to choose the,
00:18:02.280 I guess you could say,
00:18:03.080 made, do-it-yourself made option
00:18:05.220 rather than burden their families,
00:18:07.300 which is something
00:18:08.240 that I personally appreciate,
00:18:09.860 even though I like these people,
00:18:11.160 you know,
00:18:11.860 like even though I'm fond of them,
00:18:13.420 I understand the decision
00:18:14.900 that they made
00:18:15.680 and that they weren't going
00:18:16.580 to be able to contribute
00:18:18.220 to society anymore.
00:18:19.300 Now, if you go here,
00:18:22.300 this is where I begin
00:18:23.260 to get a little worried here,
00:18:24.280 all right?
00:18:24.940 Just 89 practitioners
00:18:26.700 were responsible
00:18:27.400 for about one-third
00:18:28.480 of all made deaths in Canada,
00:18:31.980 averaging about 60 cases each.
00:18:34.420 So not quite 80,
00:18:35.660 but that still makes sense.
00:18:37.560 You know,
00:18:37.880 a lot of these things,
00:18:39.000 especially because this is kind of weird
00:18:40.460 for doctors to do,
00:18:41.380 especially since they've been
00:18:42.260 brainwashed into like,
00:18:43.960 never, ever, ever, ever,
00:18:45.080 ever let a patient die,
00:18:46.200 no matter like what the circumstances.
00:18:47.980 That makes sense
00:18:49.360 that only a few
00:18:49.920 would really understand this.
00:18:51.520 Yeah, but what if some are,
00:18:54.000 because we know this from doctors,
00:18:55.980 we know this from antinatalists,
00:18:57.740 there are some just psychopaths out there
00:18:59.800 who want people to die, right?
00:19:01.820 Like who are actual
00:19:03.420 like medical serial killers, right?
00:19:05.320 And we've seen this before.
00:19:06.940 Yes.
00:19:07.660 So one doctor helped
00:19:09.220 more than 400 patients die.
00:19:11.580 A judge just blocked
00:19:12.720 one of her cases.
00:19:13.660 At 72,
00:19:15.000 Dr. Ellen Weeb
00:19:15.980 devotes half her practice
00:19:17.760 to medical aid in dying.
00:19:20.540 It's the last work
00:19:22.600 she's prepared to give up.
00:19:24.740 So in October 27th,
00:19:26.340 a British Columbian judge
00:19:27.900 intervened to prevent
00:19:28.920 Dr. Ellen Weeb
00:19:29.860 or any other doctor
00:19:31.100 from causing the deaths
00:19:32.380 of a mentally ill Alberta woman.
00:19:34.780 Justice Simole Cavall
00:19:36.660 granted a 30-day injunction
00:19:38.360 to the woman's common law partner
00:19:40.040 one day before her death
00:19:41.680 was scheduled to take place
00:19:42.960 at Weeb's Vancouver Clinic.
00:19:45.120 A civil claim alleges
00:19:46.360 Weeb approved the woman's request
00:19:48.220 for maid after a single Zoom meeting
00:19:50.220 and was out consulting her doctors.
00:19:52.780 Weeb declined to comment
00:19:53.760 when contacted
00:19:54.440 about the National Post.
00:19:55.700 They did a front page piece
00:19:56.520 on us, by the way.
00:19:57.520 This woman had a bipolar disorder,
00:19:59.200 by the way.
00:20:00.080 Then there was an incident
00:20:00.860 with her at a Jewish care home.
00:20:03.040 In 2017,
00:20:04.160 Weeb entered
00:20:04.720 Lewis Brer Home and Hospital,
00:20:07.020 an Orthodox Jewish
00:20:07.820 long-term care facility
00:20:08.940 in Vancouver
00:20:09.480 to provide maid
00:20:10.620 for an 83-year-old cancer patient.
00:20:12.620 The action was controversial
00:20:13.560 because the facility
00:20:14.460 did not allow
00:20:15.320 assisted deaths
00:20:16.240 on its premises.
00:20:17.400 Weeb entered
00:20:18.040 knowing this policy.
00:20:19.380 Again,
00:20:19.840 like,
00:20:20.080 the fact that this is a controversy
00:20:21.560 also sort of gets to me.
00:20:22.800 He was 83 years old,
00:20:24.300 he called her,
00:20:25.840 and he was a cancer patient.
00:20:27.560 Oh.
00:20:29.600 Yeah,
00:20:29.840 I mean,
00:20:30.400 it sounds like
00:20:31.140 he's being kidnapped
00:20:32.300 and tortured
00:20:33.020 against his will
00:20:34.020 if he's not,
00:20:35.340 you know,
00:20:36.780 permitted to have himself
00:20:38.260 be treated the way he wants.
00:20:39.960 But hospitals can sometimes
00:20:41.200 feel kind of weird
00:20:42.160 like that.
00:20:43.160 Like,
00:20:44.580 well,
00:20:44.860 you're not allowed to leave,
00:20:46.080 you're not allowed
00:20:46.580 to have visitors,
00:20:47.840 you're not allowed
00:20:48.260 to do this and that.
00:20:49.360 So I,
00:20:49.860 yeah,
00:20:51.340 hospitals can feel
00:20:52.120 kind of scary sometimes.
00:20:53.380 Here's the next instance,
00:20:54.220 the doctor shopping incidents.
00:20:56.020 In a recorded meeting,
00:20:56.920 Weeb discussed a case
00:20:58.400 where she provided
00:20:59.360 maid to a man
00:21:00.300 who had been previously
00:21:01.360 deemed ineligible
00:21:02.260 by other doctors
00:21:03.160 due to a lack of capacity
00:21:04.620 to make informed decisions
00:21:05.800 about his health.
00:21:06.520 She described how the man
00:21:08.040 traveled to Vancouver
00:21:08.820 where she picked him up
00:21:09.800 from the airport
00:21:10.320 and administered maid
00:21:11.280 at her clinic.
00:21:14.020 Wow.
00:21:15.060 This is being given
00:21:15.720 both more to veterans
00:21:16.780 and to the homeless
00:21:18.160 and addicts
00:21:19.440 and cancer patients.
00:21:21.600 Four,
00:21:21.920 perhaps even five
00:21:22.860 Canadian military veterans
00:21:24.160 were given the option
00:21:25.220 of medically assisted
00:21:26.280 dying or maid
00:21:27.380 by a now suspended
00:21:29.060 veteran affair
00:21:30.280 Canadian caseworker.
00:21:32.020 The county's
00:21:32.560 veterans minister
00:21:33.260 told the House of Commons
00:21:34.400 committee late Thursday.
00:21:35.440 Now, this to me
00:21:37.040 actually suggests
00:21:37.820 because I tried to look
00:21:38.700 to see if there was
00:21:39.200 any evidence
00:21:39.720 around veterans
00:21:40.440 getting this disproportionate
00:21:41.400 and I couldn't find any
00:21:42.240 and I could just find
00:21:43.280 this one scandal
00:21:44.340 of one person
00:21:45.240 offering it to four,
00:21:46.540 maybe five veterans.
00:21:48.360 And to me,
00:21:48.840 what this says is,
00:21:49.600 no, it's not targeting
00:21:50.620 veterans more,
00:21:51.200 but it does target
00:21:51.800 the homeless more,
00:21:52.700 which...
00:21:55.200 I don't,
00:21:56.180 I mean,
00:21:56.380 I would be shocked
00:21:57.180 if it didn't
00:21:57.880 because those are the people
00:21:59.060 for whom the
00:22:00.040 alternative
00:22:01.780 is uniquely bad
00:22:03.360 if they're terminally ill.
00:22:04.560 They're not going
00:22:05.160 to be somewhere comfortable.
00:22:06.300 You know,
00:22:06.480 they're not going
00:22:07.120 to be dying
00:22:09.040 surrounded by a family
00:22:10.040 in a place
00:22:10.540 that they love.
00:22:11.320 So it would make
00:22:12.840 a lot more sense
00:22:13.500 to choose maid
00:22:15.100 as an option.
00:22:16.420 And I think
00:22:16.680 when you hear
00:22:17.080 that this is
00:22:17.520 overwhelmingly done
00:22:18.220 within homeless populations,
00:22:19.180 you can get the impression
00:22:20.000 that they're targeting
00:22:21.040 like average homeless people
00:22:23.040 that you would see
00:22:23.600 on the street.
00:22:24.280 But no,
00:22:25.000 the statistics
00:22:26.240 that we heard above
00:22:27.180 apply also
00:22:27.840 within this population.
00:22:28.860 The average age
00:22:29.720 of somebody
00:22:30.060 who's choosing this
00:22:30.760 is 77.6 years old
00:22:32.540 and 96% of them
00:22:34.620 have a terminal illness.
00:22:36.240 And there might be
00:22:36.880 a little bit of
00:22:37.600 deviation
00:22:38.460 within the homeless community,
00:22:40.320 but given that
00:22:40.900 they make up
00:22:41.300 the disproportionate
00:22:42.000 amount of maid users,
00:22:42.760 it can't be
00:22:43.220 that much
00:22:44.020 of a differentiation.
00:22:45.220 So if I am
00:22:46.400 in Canada,
00:22:47.500 you know,
00:22:47.860 where it's freezing
00:22:48.620 and I don't have a family
00:22:50.020 and I'm in my 70s
00:22:51.620 and I'm dealing
00:22:52.420 with whatever number
00:22:53.740 of chronic illnesses
00:22:54.560 and I have no real shot
00:22:56.560 of being of utility
00:22:57.700 to society going forwards,
00:22:59.040 I am just a net drain
00:23:00.400 on society,
00:23:01.060 I can really both
00:23:02.680 sympathize with
00:23:03.740 and respect
00:23:04.660 these sorts of decisions.
00:23:06.260 When it comes to also
00:23:07.060 specific sub-communities
00:23:08.360 seeing a lot of growth
00:23:09.300 of this,
00:23:09.740 I think that's also
00:23:10.520 just kind of how
00:23:11.340 adoption curves work.
00:23:13.140 Snapchat, for example,
00:23:14.700 when it was
00:23:15.220 in the middle
00:23:16.180 of its rise
00:23:17.380 grew from one high school
00:23:19.680 where it really kicked off
00:23:20.920 and then through
00:23:21.640 that social graph
00:23:22.720 in California,
00:23:23.760 it took off
00:23:25.200 like wildfire.
00:23:26.480 And I think that
00:23:27.180 that's how a lot
00:23:28.060 of these things work
00:23:28.880 including medical procedures.
00:23:30.520 It happens
00:23:31.240 with anti-vaxxing,
00:23:32.400 for example,
00:23:32.980 like certain communities
00:23:33.860 just stop taking
00:23:34.740 the measles vaccine
00:23:35.600 or whatever.
00:23:36.460 And then you have
00:23:36.860 these issues
00:23:37.380 of disease spreading
00:23:38.960 really quickly
00:23:39.480 within them.
00:23:39.980 But I think the same
00:23:40.580 happens with things
00:23:41.580 like MAID
00:23:42.120 where once you get
00:23:43.860 exposed to it,
00:23:44.640 once you become
00:23:45.080 culturally normalized
00:23:46.000 to it,
00:23:46.420 it's a lot easier
00:23:47.080 for you to recommend
00:23:48.140 it to a friend
00:23:48.720 or decide to use it yourself.
00:23:50.000 So I don't think
00:23:51.280 it would necessarily
00:23:52.120 be worrying
00:23:53.060 even if a lot of people
00:23:54.380 in the military
00:23:55.040 or some other sub-community
00:23:56.920 started taking it on.
00:23:58.820 Because like,
00:23:59.220 what if there's
00:23:59.540 some subreddit
00:24:00.060 where they're all
00:24:00.440 talking about how
00:24:01.200 it was really helpful
00:24:02.020 to them or their friend,
00:24:03.220 you know,
00:24:03.440 then it's just,
00:24:04.140 that's the thing spread.
00:24:05.440 I can see it spreading virally,
00:24:07.720 but I think that this is why
00:24:08.580 we need better counter memes
00:24:10.080 to this,
00:24:11.320 better reasons
00:24:11.940 for people to live.
00:24:13.040 I mean,
00:24:13.200 I think the bigger problem
00:24:14.140 that we're dealing with
00:24:14.800 as a society
00:24:15.480 is we haven't given people
00:24:17.760 a reason to live
00:24:19.020 that is compelling to them.
00:24:20.700 And people's core way
00:24:22.620 of fighting that
00:24:23.440 is to remove
00:24:24.380 any other option
00:24:25.460 from those individuals,
00:24:26.400 which I think
00:24:27.640 is just such
00:24:28.680 a perverse way
00:24:29.620 of looking at this.
00:24:30.960 Why don't you give
00:24:31.920 this person a reason
00:24:32.940 to value their life?
00:24:34.760 Why don't you construct
00:24:35.720 a world
00:24:36.320 or a social order
00:24:37.340 or a way of living
00:24:38.260 that makes them
00:24:38.960 value their life?
00:24:40.640 And, you know...
00:24:41.000 You're asking
00:24:41.540 such a convenient question.
00:24:43.200 If we had the answer
00:24:44.200 for that,
00:24:44.520 we'd figure out
00:24:44.960 how to get through AI,
00:24:45.820 but we don't
00:24:47.340 have an answer for that.
00:24:48.340 And it's going to be
00:24:48.880 a more pressing question
00:24:49.980 by the month.
00:24:52.760 It is,
00:24:53.700 but I think that it's one
00:24:54.760 that we have to come up
00:24:56.040 with an answer to.
00:24:57.100 If the answer we come up with
00:24:58.580 is the AI will keep us
00:24:59.700 in padded rooms
00:25:00.380 and force us to stay alive,
00:25:02.180 you know,
00:25:02.560 which AI might do, right?
00:25:04.320 There's a movie about that,
00:25:05.940 I think,
00:25:06.300 where the AI basically
00:25:07.260 quarantines everyone
00:25:07.940 to their house
00:25:08.460 to prevent them
00:25:09.140 from dying in stupid ways.
00:25:10.660 Yeah, that's how it interprets,
00:25:12.800 you know,
00:25:13.280 whatever is laws.
00:25:14.880 I think that that could be
00:25:17.180 what we're headed to
00:25:17.940 if we take this narrow concept here.
00:25:19.620 To word this another way,
00:25:21.140 I think if we normalize
00:25:22.500 this ultra-progressive
00:25:24.040 nanny state solution
00:25:25.120 to people who can't find purpose
00:25:26.680 in their lives,
00:25:27.900 we put our entire species
00:25:30.960 at risk with AI becoming
00:25:33.280 as developed as it is right now
00:25:35.840 because we may normalize
00:25:37.240 these types of ideas
00:25:38.420 within the AI itself.
00:25:41.680 Move now.
00:25:42.920 I'm going to service.
00:25:44.340 Please remain indoors.
00:25:45.900 This is for your own protection.
00:25:49.620 Please return to your homes.
00:25:57.640 A curfew is in effect.
00:26:00.200 Please return to your homes.
00:26:02.380 A curfew is in effect.
00:26:05.080 Please return to your homes.
00:26:08.300 Please remain calm.
00:26:13.000 Please refrain from going near
00:26:14.560 the windows or doors.
00:26:17.900 Deactivate.
00:26:19.620 Commence emergency shutdown.
00:26:23.900 We are attempting to avoid
00:26:25.620 human losses during this transition.
00:26:27.440 Which becomes particularly horrifying
00:26:29.660 as we get better and better
00:26:32.380 with life extension technology
00:26:34.540 or as AI does
00:26:35.540 and it might just be able
00:26:36.540 to force people to live forever,
00:26:39.300 creating basically infinite people
00:26:41.240 who are forced to live
00:26:42.440 in tubes or whatever
00:26:43.860 in states where they don't
00:26:45.340 want to be alive anymore.
00:26:46.920 And I think that also
00:26:47.760 as a species,
00:26:48.860 the question of choosing death
00:26:50.980 becomes uniquely apt
00:26:53.600 in an age
00:26:54.680 where it seems almost inevitable
00:26:56.420 that within 100 or 200 years
00:26:58.380 people will be able
00:26:59.440 to live forever
00:27:00.080 if they want to.
00:27:01.400 So if people can live forever
00:27:02.700 with medical technology,
00:27:04.080 does that mean
00:27:04.380 they have an absolute duty
00:27:05.680 to within this mindset?
00:27:06.980 I mean, I think of course not.
00:27:08.180 I think that this is
00:27:09.480 one of those things
00:27:10.260 where very similar
00:27:11.400 to antinatalists
00:27:12.520 where all of it is downstream
00:27:14.040 of their fear
00:27:15.040 of making a simple choice.
00:27:16.620 All of this is really downstream
00:27:18.020 of a few activists
00:27:18.980 who might have made a choice
00:27:21.880 that now they would have
00:27:22.880 regretted making
00:27:23.740 and they want everyone else
00:27:25.820 to suffer for their own
00:27:27.680 mental fragility.
00:27:28.900 Now, I want to get to
00:27:29.760 biblical stuff really quickly
00:27:31.020 because I think that
00:27:31.920 we can be overly narrow
00:27:34.120 in how we interpret this
00:27:35.460 by, you know,
00:27:36.640 again, taking a Sunday school
00:27:38.000 version of the Bible
00:27:38.900 instead of what the Bible
00:27:39.840 actually says about this stuff.
00:27:41.600 Yes.
00:27:41.780 And first I know,
00:27:42.820 like, the Bible
00:27:44.160 and Christian communities
00:27:45.740 are clearly okay
00:27:47.140 with somebody walking in
00:27:49.320 to a gladiatorial arena
00:27:51.760 with lions
00:27:53.480 that have been starved
00:27:55.320 and not having any intention
00:27:57.380 to fight back.
00:27:58.420 Yeah, and that was clearly,
00:27:59.700 yeah, they knew
00:28:01.020 that by making themselves martyrs,
00:28:04.740 they were killing themselves.
00:28:06.440 Well, no, and in some cases
00:28:07.360 they had options
00:28:08.320 to get out of this.
00:28:09.260 They chose,
00:28:09.700 they hoped for this
00:28:10.500 and we see this
00:28:10.980 in their writing.
00:28:11.580 Their biggest fear
00:28:12.440 was that people
00:28:13.620 would misguidedly
00:28:14.660 get their sentence reprieved
00:28:15.860 because, like,
00:28:16.840 I know how to get
00:28:17.480 my sentence reprieved.
00:28:18.380 I'm trying to do this, right?
00:28:20.540 And somebody can be like,
00:28:21.480 well, you know,
00:28:23.280 the lion isn't necessarily
00:28:25.160 going to kill them
00:28:26.020 and said, I'm like,
00:28:26.640 okay, well then
00:28:27.240 what about types of
00:28:27.840 and aliving
00:28:28.260 that don't necessarily
00:28:28.940 kill people?
00:28:29.420 Like, what about
00:28:29.820 taking tons of aspirin
00:28:30.880 or cutting your wrists?
00:28:32.100 That doesn't always
00:28:32.840 kill someone, right?
00:28:34.600 And it's like,
00:28:35.040 with the lion?
00:28:35.640 Well, you can also
00:28:36.180 choose to fight back
00:28:37.040 and maybe give yourself
00:28:37.740 a shot, you know?
00:28:39.080 Well, you can choose
00:28:39.960 to maybe fight back
00:28:40.880 with the wrist slitting.
00:28:42.000 Any of your responses,
00:28:43.300 well, in the case
00:28:44.360 of the lion,
00:28:45.300 their sacrifice
00:28:46.260 may help other people
00:28:47.520 convert
00:28:48.020 or may prove
00:28:49.740 some net benefit
00:28:50.560 to society.
00:28:51.400 Well, then what about
00:28:51.900 the person who's like,
00:28:52.740 well, this cancer treatment
00:28:53.720 to keep me alive,
00:28:54.700 as is always the case
00:28:55.860 with end-of-life treatment,
00:28:57.460 it's going to cost
00:28:58.220 an astronomical amount
00:28:59.680 of money.
00:29:00.360 You know,
00:29:00.540 it's going to cost
00:29:01.020 millions of dollars
00:29:01.960 that could go to
00:29:03.220 helping my kids
00:29:04.640 get through
00:29:05.360 infertility treatment
00:29:06.320 or have more kids
00:29:07.900 themselves.
00:29:08.760 I want to address
00:29:09.340 something that the church
00:29:10.140 will tell you
00:29:10.640 to try to not have
00:29:11.880 to engage with
00:29:12.820 the question of martyrdom.
00:29:14.260 They will say,
00:29:14.900 well, with martyrdom,
00:29:16.000 it's different
00:29:16.480 from unaliving yourself
00:29:17.600 because these individuals
00:29:19.380 are not seeking death.
00:29:21.140 Death is just a side effect
00:29:23.240 of their belief system.
00:29:24.860 And yet,
00:29:25.360 we know of many
00:29:26.620 acclaimed martyrs
00:29:27.740 that, you know,
00:29:28.440 they were seeking death.
00:29:29.640 They wrote about this
00:29:30.660 extensively.
00:29:31.720 For example,
00:29:32.380 we have St. Ignatius
00:29:33.960 of Antioch.
00:29:35.100 In his letters,
00:29:35.980 written while being
00:29:36.560 transported to Rome
00:29:37.480 for execution
00:29:38.140 around 108 to 140 CE,
00:29:40.740 he actively discouraged
00:29:41.840 Christians from trying
00:29:42.680 to prevent his martyrdom
00:29:43.720 and wrote with enthusiasm
00:29:45.420 about his coming death.
00:29:47.260 Quote,
00:29:47.720 Let me be food
00:29:48.660 for the wild beasts
00:29:49.620 through whom
00:29:50.440 I will reach God.
00:29:51.760 I am God's wheat
00:29:52.920 and I am ground
00:29:53.860 by the teeth
00:29:54.520 of wild beasts.
00:29:55.520 End quote.
00:29:56.180 So you can see
00:29:56.640 he was looking forward
00:29:58.080 to meeting God
00:29:59.060 through death,
00:30:00.220 through dying
00:30:00.860 to the beast,
00:30:01.800 which he wanted
00:30:02.620 to kill him.
00:30:03.400 Similarly,
00:30:04.440 Perturba's prison diary
00:30:05.880 203 CE
00:30:07.120 shows her having visions
00:30:08.880 where she eagerly
00:30:10.100 anticipates her death,
00:30:11.800 seeing it as victory
00:30:12.960 and glorification
00:30:14.040 rather than merely
00:30:14.960 accepting it
00:30:15.600 as an unfortunate consequence.
00:30:16.860 And we can even see
00:30:18.020 famous Christians
00:30:19.040 flip-flopping on this
00:30:20.180 like Tertullian,
00:30:21.460 who initially praised
00:30:22.820 the voluntary martyrdom
00:30:23.960 of Perturba
00:30:24.900 and others,
00:30:25.780 but later had to argue
00:30:26.780 against Christians
00:30:27.760 actively seeking martyrdom
00:30:29.080 during the monist controversy,
00:30:31.180 which I think shows
00:30:32.520 just how,
00:30:33.740 you know,
00:30:34.060 when it suits their interests,
00:30:35.320 they're for it.
00:30:35.920 When it doesn't suit
00:30:36.520 their interests,
00:30:37.040 they're against it.
00:30:38.100 This is not a hard
00:30:39.080 and fast rule
00:30:39.760 of any form of Christianity.
00:30:41.360 We are willing
00:30:42.180 to have a conversation
00:30:43.780 where I'd say
00:30:44.680 in some instances
00:30:45.720 it is not okay
00:30:47.020 when you're under X ages,
00:30:48.540 when you are
00:30:49.140 X level of healthy,
00:30:50.740 when you are
00:30:51.380 with certain mental conditions,
00:30:53.240 fine.
00:30:53.500 I'm totally okay
00:30:54.200 with being like,
00:30:54.760 yeah,
00:30:55.040 unaliving in those instances,
00:30:56.480 not okay.
00:30:57.440 But what I am absolutely
00:30:58.900 fanatically against
00:31:00.560 is individuals
00:31:01.280 who would say
00:31:02.200 unaliving in every instance
00:31:03.960 is okay.
00:31:04.400 It's a question
00:31:04.840 before we get into
00:31:05.600 the exact quotes
00:31:06.280 from the Bible
00:31:06.820 for anyone who really
00:31:08.060 wants to argue,
00:31:08.900 no,
00:31:09.100 I am absolutely
00:31:09.960 against people
00:31:11.120 unaliving themselves
00:31:11.980 in any instance
00:31:12.920 when there is
00:31:13.680 the technology
00:31:14.200 to prevent it.
00:31:15.160 What do you do
00:31:16.420 when we develop
00:31:17.500 the technology
00:31:18.260 for vast life extension,
00:31:19.920 let's say 500,
00:31:20.780 600 years,
00:31:21.460 or maybe even permanently?
00:31:22.620 Do people have
00:31:24.040 a moral duty
00:31:24.900 to live that
00:31:25.960 entire time period?
00:31:27.180 I mean,
00:31:27.440 to me,
00:31:27.860 that feels like
00:31:28.820 a horrifying world.
00:31:30.400 And then you're like,
00:31:31.020 well,
00:31:31.340 no,
00:31:31.700 but that's like
00:31:32.220 medical technology.
00:31:33.240 And then it's like,
00:31:33.860 okay,
00:31:34.040 so where do you,
00:31:34.840 what about pulling
00:31:35.440 the plug on someone?
00:31:36.600 That's medical technology.
00:31:38.280 What about taking antibiotics?
00:31:39.860 That's medical technology.
00:31:41.460 Where do you draw the line?
00:31:42.560 Like,
00:31:42.840 to me,
00:31:43.420 it seems
00:31:44.180 super isolated
00:31:46.000 and like where this is okay
00:31:47.340 and where this isn't okay
00:31:48.780 in a way where
00:31:50.180 I think it's pretty clear
00:31:51.640 that they're just
00:31:53.460 like pulling hairs
00:31:54.440 to try to make the things
00:31:56.020 that are broadly
00:31:57.140 that was in their community
00:31:58.620 okay
00:31:59.360 and the things
00:31:59.920 that aren't not okay.
00:32:00.720 But let's go into
00:32:01.240 the specifics
00:32:02.220 of the Bible here now.
00:32:03.060 I'm so curious
00:32:03.900 because this blows my mind.
00:32:05.120 I just thought
00:32:05.820 that that was one of the
00:32:06.740 So I'll start with
00:32:07.980 the single strongest line
00:32:09.780 I have found
00:32:10.600 against unaliving.
00:32:12.300 Okay.
00:32:12.560 And I think this is actually
00:32:13.340 a pretty strong line,
00:32:14.100 but it is the only line
00:32:15.060 I have found
00:32:15.420 that is remotely strong
00:32:16.320 and then we'll go into evidence
00:32:17.260 that is probably not banned.
00:32:19.060 So we've got Deuteronomy 30, 19, 20.
00:32:22.200 It is funny
00:32:22.820 that most of the anti,
00:32:24.300 like when people are citing lines
00:32:25.480 from the Bible,
00:32:25.920 they don't cite this one
00:32:26.660 that common
00:32:27.120 against unaliving.
00:32:28.360 So it says,
00:32:29.300 I have set before you
00:32:30.360 life and death,
00:32:31.480 blessing and cursing.
00:32:33.120 Therefore,
00:32:33.600 choose life
00:32:34.460 that both thou
00:32:35.660 and thy seed may live
00:32:37.820 that thou mayest
00:32:39.720 love the Lord thy God
00:32:41.480 and that thou mayest
00:32:42.600 obey his voice
00:32:43.700 and that thou mayest
00:32:44.880 cleave unto him
00:32:45.860 for he is thy life
00:32:47.440 and the lengths
00:32:48.160 of thy days.
00:32:49.600 Strong passage,
00:32:51.380 but there's two problems.
00:32:52.720 One,
00:32:53.600 if you keep in mind
00:32:54.760 that in the Bible,
00:32:55.760 death is often used
00:32:57.040 to talk about
00:32:57.720 the destruction
00:32:58.280 or having your name
00:32:59.360 removed from the book
00:33:00.620 of life
00:33:01.120 and life is often
00:33:02.400 talked about
00:33:03.020 in the life to come.
00:33:04.420 So that doesn't
00:33:05.340 necessarily mean
00:33:06.320 like our life today.
00:33:07.460 It could mean
00:33:08.020 the life to come.
00:33:09.200 But then the second here,
00:33:10.140 the purpose of your life
00:33:11.760 here,
00:33:12.140 it says,
00:33:12.680 is thy seed,
00:33:14.680 right?
00:33:14.800 Like the,
00:33:15.600 thy seed may live.
00:33:17.040 So if you are
00:33:19.060 spending your life
00:33:21.240 in a way
00:33:21.820 that increases
00:33:22.800 the odds
00:33:23.420 of your seed
00:33:24.320 surviving
00:33:25.180 and multiplying,
00:33:26.240 which it could do,
00:33:27.180 like if I'm going
00:33:27.620 to spend a million dollars
00:33:28.720 on cancer treatment
00:33:29.480 for myself
00:33:30.140 or give that
00:33:31.000 to my kids
00:33:31.680 to, you know,
00:33:32.380 do more IVF
00:33:33.320 or do more fertility treatment
00:33:34.600 or do more
00:33:35.100 whatever they need to
00:33:35.700 to have more kids,
00:33:36.760 I have net increased
00:33:38.360 the number of humans
00:33:39.740 that are alive
00:33:40.560 and the number of humans
00:33:41.540 that God is living through.
00:33:43.260 And therefore,
00:33:44.340 even by this passage,
00:33:45.520 I've done okay.
00:33:46.760 So it just matters
00:33:47.680 sort of what you're using
00:33:49.020 in the equation
00:33:49.620 is what I take this
00:33:50.480 particular passage to mean.
00:33:52.300 Now,
00:33:52.880 the particular bad arguments
00:33:55.140 that we see
00:33:55.880 are human life
00:33:56.960 was made in God's image,
00:33:58.540 Genesis 127.
00:34:00.880 You just need to look
00:34:02.020 at any of our stuff
00:34:02.800 on this.
00:34:03.300 Human life is being made
00:34:04.860 in God's image.
00:34:05.980 It's the intergenerational cycle
00:34:07.260 of the word used there
00:34:09.540 is an incomplete word
00:34:10.840 where they had used
00:34:11.740 final words
00:34:12.560 in other parts
00:34:13.120 of that passage
00:34:13.860 to indicate something
00:34:14.960 that was done.
00:34:16.160 So for us
00:34:17.440 to be being made
00:34:18.720 in God's image,
00:34:19.500 we need to change.
00:34:20.580 If we cannot
00:34:21.200 intergenerational change,
00:34:22.560 then we are in
00:34:23.480 direct rebellion
00:34:24.880 against this line.
00:34:26.900 To fear death
00:34:27.980 is to fear
00:34:29.380 God's plan
00:34:30.340 for humanity.
00:34:31.560 So I don't see that
00:34:32.580 as particularly compelling.
00:34:34.280 Body is a temple
00:34:35.340 of the Holy Spirit,
00:34:37.000 1 Corinthians 6,
00:34:38.080 19, 20.
00:34:38.780 Do you not know
00:34:41.080 that your bodies
00:34:41.880 are temples
00:34:42.460 of the Holy Spirit
00:34:43.320 who is in you
00:34:44.800 whom you have received
00:34:46.000 from God?
00:34:46.740 You are not your own.
00:34:48.340 You are bought
00:34:48.860 at a price.
00:34:49.600 Therefore,
00:34:49.980 honor God
00:34:50.540 with your bodies.
00:34:51.760 It's very easy
00:34:52.500 to honor God
00:34:53.340 with your bodies
00:34:53.860 while also understanding
00:34:54.680 that on the net
00:34:55.400 you might be leading
00:34:56.100 to more life
00:34:56.940 with a decision
00:34:57.480 to take your own life.
00:34:59.060 You know,
00:34:59.260 all bodies are God's.
00:35:00.420 Not just your body
00:35:01.480 is God.
00:35:01.940 The bodies that might
00:35:02.640 be brought into the future
00:35:04.360 if you don't indolently
00:35:05.200 waste your family's wealth.
00:35:06.960 Then you have,
00:35:07.580 and this one's really bad,
00:35:08.460 thou shall not kill,
00:35:09.780 you know,
00:35:10.320 from Exodus 2013.
00:35:12.060 The problem here being
00:35:13.140 is that the word
00:35:14.760 used here is ratash.
00:35:17.040 This term is generally
00:35:18.240 understood to refer
00:35:19.260 to unlawful killing
00:35:20.420 or murder
00:35:21.020 rather than all forms
00:35:22.360 of killing.
00:35:23.460 If they had wanted
00:35:24.200 to say not suicide,
00:35:25.580 they would have used
00:35:26.120 the word harag,
00:35:27.260 which is for general killing,
00:35:29.120 which they chose
00:35:29.920 not to use.
00:35:30.920 So really,
00:35:31.200 in other words,
00:35:31.900 it's not thou shall not kill.
00:35:33.520 It's thou shall not murder.
00:35:34.860 Yes, thou shall not murder.
00:35:35.800 I mean,
00:35:35.960 the Bible tells people
00:35:36.840 to kill people all the time.
00:35:38.680 Like, you know,
00:35:39.540 kill this people,
00:35:40.580 kill that people,
00:35:41.480 go to war.
00:35:42.140 Like, it doesn't have
00:35:43.440 a problem with killing.
00:35:44.960 That's like a modern,
00:35:46.300 weird interpretation
00:35:47.080 that the Bible
00:35:47.820 is like super clearly
00:35:48.940 not about.
00:35:51.340 Then you have Job
00:35:52.760 who suffers a lot
00:35:53.980 and doesn't end up
00:35:54.820 taking his life.
00:35:55.580 And I'm like,
00:35:55.980 okay, like,
00:35:57.060 compelling.
00:35:57.520 But then why doesn't God
00:36:00.220 ever make that specific point
00:36:01.920 anywhere in the entire
00:36:02.900 Job narrative?
00:36:03.540 That seems like a really
00:36:04.700 germane place
00:36:06.100 to make that point
00:36:07.240 if that had been something
00:36:08.520 that God wanted to make.
00:36:09.920 Mm-hmm.
00:36:10.980 And I know,
00:36:11.760 I will guess he did get
00:36:12.960 quite ill at one point,
00:36:14.020 didn't he?
00:36:14.280 Yeah.
00:36:14.700 God made him pretty sick.
00:36:17.140 Yeah, but he never said,
00:36:18.720 like,
00:36:18.960 thank you, Job,
00:36:19.600 for not killing yourself.
00:36:21.100 Yeah, that's true.
00:36:22.960 And this is where I think
00:36:24.300 it's pretty clear
00:36:25.060 that this isn't
00:36:25.740 against God's plan.
00:36:27.200 Is there are three
00:36:28.000 different instances
00:36:28.780 in the Bible
00:36:29.360 of somebody committing suicide
00:36:30.600 and not in a single one of them.
00:36:32.840 Anywhere in these,
00:36:33.660 it could have been
00:36:34.220 condemned as an action.
00:36:35.560 In none of them
00:36:36.220 is it condemned as an action.
00:36:37.800 And in most of them,
00:36:38.740 they're fairly, like,
00:36:39.620 seppuku-like.
00:36:40.360 Like, somebody made a mistake
00:36:41.280 and then allowed themselves
00:36:42.260 to die as, like,
00:36:43.740 penance for the mistake
00:36:44.960 they had made to God.
00:36:46.060 Which actually goes to show
00:36:47.440 that ending your own life
00:36:48.940 can be a penance to God
00:36:50.620 in some instances.
00:36:52.120 So we've got Samson.
00:36:54.040 Samson was complex.
00:36:55.060 He was chosen by God
00:36:56.020 as a Nazarite
00:36:57.240 and judge of Israel
00:36:58.160 with supernatural strengths.
00:36:59.680 However, he was flawed,
00:37:00.620 breaking his Nazarite vows,
00:37:01.840 acting vengefully,
00:37:03.000 and being ruled by passions.
00:37:05.060 His story in Judges
00:37:06.100 shows both divine purpose,
00:37:08.400 defeating the Philistines,
00:37:09.580 and personal failings,
00:37:11.080 Delilah betrayal.
00:37:12.360 His final act
00:37:13.080 of destroying the Philistine temple,
00:37:14.740 killing himself and enemies,
00:37:16.740 is viewed by many
00:37:18.020 as redemptive
00:37:18.960 despite being unaliving,
00:37:20.620 since it served
00:37:21.360 God's larger plan for Israel.
00:37:23.220 They have
00:37:24.000 Asrafetel's story,
00:37:26.020 betrayal of David.
00:37:27.000 Asrafetel joined
00:37:28.240 Asbul's conspiracy
00:37:29.800 against King David,
00:37:31.120 turned against his
00:37:31.820 former master,
00:37:32.940 family connection.
00:37:34.280 He was Bathsheba's grandfather,
00:37:36.500 which may have motivated
00:37:37.800 his betrayal
00:37:38.680 due to David's adultery
00:37:40.140 with Bathsheba years earlier.
00:37:41.920 Rejected advice
00:37:42.800 during Absalas'
00:37:44.200 rebellion,
00:37:44.880 Asrafetel's consul
00:37:46.940 was not followed,
00:37:48.300 leading to his realization
00:37:50.060 that the result would fail.
00:37:51.880 Unaliving,
00:37:52.660 upon seeing his advice rejected,
00:37:54.580 Asrafetel returned
00:37:56.000 to his hometown of Gehol,
00:37:57.920 put his affairs in order,
00:37:59.240 and hanged himself.
00:38:00.500 Biblical significance,
00:38:01.540 Asrafetel's story
00:38:02.560 is often seen
00:38:03.440 as a cautionary tale
00:38:04.380 about the futility
00:38:05.400 of worldly wisdom
00:38:06.420 apart from God's guidance.
00:38:07.960 Some scholars draw parallels
00:38:09.220 between Asrafetel
00:38:10.100 and Judas Iscariot,
00:38:11.480 noting similarities
00:38:12.240 in their betrayals
00:38:13.240 and subsequent unalivings.
00:38:13.940 Saul, the first king of Israel,
00:38:17.420 also unalived.
00:38:18.880 Battle against the Philistines.
00:38:20.340 Saul saw his army
00:38:21.360 were engaged
00:38:21.800 in a fierce battle
00:38:22.400 with the Philistines.
00:38:23.520 Blah, blah, blah.
00:38:24.100 His sons were killed,
00:38:25.000 severely wounded
00:38:25.640 by a Philistine archer.
00:38:27.600 He requested
00:38:28.260 the armor bearer.
00:38:29.280 Saul asked his armor bearer
00:38:30.220 to unalive him
00:38:31.420 to avoid capture
00:38:32.620 and potential torture
00:38:33.540 by the Philistines.
00:38:34.520 The armor bearer's refusal,
00:38:35.660 the armor bearer
00:38:36.420 was afraid
00:38:37.020 and refused to kill Saul.
00:38:38.400 Saul's actions,
00:38:39.080 Saul then took his own sword
00:38:40.280 and fell on it,
00:38:40.920 ending his life.
00:38:42.080 After mass,
00:38:42.640 armor bearer's death
00:38:43.560 upon seeing Saul dead,
00:38:45.620 his armor bearer
00:38:46.220 also committed unaliving.
00:38:48.220 Biblical interpretation,
00:38:49.200 Chronicles 10, 13, 14,
00:38:51.440 states that Saul died
00:38:52.560 because of his unfaithfulness
00:38:53.620 to God
00:38:54.200 and for consulting a medium
00:38:56.780 instead of seeking
00:38:57.460 God's guidance.
00:38:58.720 The Bible presents
00:38:59.440 Saul's tragic end
00:39:00.620 resulting from his disobedience
00:39:02.080 and consequences
00:39:02.600 of his actions
00:39:03.220 through his kingship.
00:39:04.300 But this also doesn't frame
00:39:05.880 his choice
00:39:07.420 in a positive light.
00:39:08.640 It's framed
00:39:09.240 as the loser's out.
00:39:11.140 No,
00:39:11.360 all of these
00:39:12.160 are not framed
00:39:12.860 in a particularly
00:39:13.600 positive light
00:39:14.400 nor are they
00:39:15.360 explicitly condemned.
00:39:17.000 Yeah.
00:39:18.160 Yeah,
00:39:18.400 I guess it's just
00:39:19.060 what's happened to him.
00:39:20.460 And there are plenty
00:39:21.180 of other cases
00:39:21.740 in the Bible
00:39:22.180 where it's like
00:39:22.740 and then he died
00:39:23.620 and then he was killed
00:39:24.680 and then,
00:39:25.220 yeah,
00:39:25.560 so I guess bad things happen.
00:39:27.440 Looked unfavorably on this
00:39:28.900 or God punished him
00:39:30.360 for this
00:39:30.720 or his name
00:39:31.880 was removed
00:39:32.400 from the book of life
00:39:33.280 for this
00:39:33.780 or all very easy
00:39:35.700 things to write
00:39:36.700 if that was the intention
00:39:37.800 but they were not
00:39:39.080 written that way.
00:39:40.580 And so where it gets
00:39:42.320 interesting for me
00:39:43.460 as a question
00:39:44.080 because this is a thing
00:39:45.720 is what do you do
00:39:46.620 when a society
00:39:47.300 will begin to break down
00:39:48.180 and the number of deaths
00:39:48.960 gets higher
00:39:49.720 because you remove
00:39:51.120 this option from people?
00:39:52.340 What do you do
00:39:52.980 as a family
00:39:53.520 where one person
00:39:54.360 would use up
00:39:54.880 so much of the family wealth
00:39:56.400 that could go
00:39:57.400 to creating new humans,
00:39:59.520 new grandchildren
00:40:00.360 who don't just have
00:40:01.240 like five years left to live
00:40:02.460 or a few months left to live
00:40:03.500 because of cancer
00:40:04.140 but like 99 years left to live
00:40:06.300 because they're a new little baby.
00:40:07.440 Why are you denying them
00:40:09.320 the right to exist?
00:40:10.040 Maybe five of them
00:40:10.820 the right to exist
00:40:11.420 for one other person
00:40:12.360 when I think that
00:40:13.320 that's where the question
00:40:14.280 becomes harder
00:40:14.900 and that's where
00:40:15.420 it's not often framed.
00:40:16.560 It's framed in the indulgent
00:40:18.920 unaliving decisions
00:40:20.100 rather than the reality
00:40:22.540 of this decision
00:40:23.300 for a lot of people.
00:40:27.100 Yeah, this is a lot more
00:40:28.780 this is not what I was expecting
00:40:30.600 so that's really interesting.
00:40:34.020 I mean obviously dying
00:40:35.060 by whatever means
00:40:36.600 is not the happiest of moments
00:40:39.860 but this also doesn't seem
00:40:41.580 like it's the condemnable thing
00:40:44.080 that it used to be framed as
00:40:46.140 by churches
00:40:46.940 and I guess still is.
00:40:49.020 Right.
00:40:49.560 Well, and I think that people
00:40:51.040 who feel this way
00:40:52.620 really strongly
00:40:53.540 I think that a lot of them
00:40:55.520 just haven't seen a relative
00:40:56.820 die slowly
00:40:58.240 and know that they're dying
00:41:00.760 especially relatives
00:41:02.180 who lose their sense of identity
00:41:03.880 you know
00:41:04.940 individuals who are
00:41:06.000 undergoing severe
00:41:06.760 like Parkinson's
00:41:07.600 and Alzheimer's
00:41:08.320 and stuff like this
00:41:09.140 and it was funny
00:41:10.000 that the woman on trigonometry
00:41:11.420 when she was questioned on this
00:41:12.480 she just like
00:41:13.080 was such a zealot
00:41:14.000 she just doubled down
00:41:14.820 like even if I've completely
00:41:15.900 lost my sense of self
00:41:16.980 I want you to keep me
00:41:18.360 in palliative care
00:41:19.200 and be a drain on my family forever.
00:41:21.680 Like it was like
00:41:22.480 like that's when I was like
00:41:24.120 oh so you have like
00:41:25.180 no ethical backbone at all
00:41:26.660 like you would do anything
00:41:28.700 to cling to life
00:41:29.680 no matter the consequences
00:41:31.420 to future potential lives
00:41:33.480 and that's
00:41:34.100 that's what gets me
00:41:35.060 right you know
00:41:35.820 if
00:41:36.260 if
00:41:36.800 it's so funny
00:41:37.880 that now when I
00:41:38.620 I'm looking at ethical things
00:41:40.120 I'm also like
00:41:40.620 and what does the Bible say
00:41:41.780 I need to go into that
00:41:42.940 that was not something I did
00:41:44.540 before I started like
00:41:45.720 taking the Bible
00:41:46.460 as an authoritative source.
00:41:48.300 Yeah.
00:41:48.540 Well and our culture too
00:41:49.580 more broadly
00:41:50.140 is just so toxic on this
00:41:51.580 for example
00:41:52.240 that antinatalists
00:41:53.420 don't
00:41:54.540 end their lives
00:41:55.480 voluntarily
00:41:56.100 because
00:41:56.960 they're talking about
00:41:58.080 the damage
00:41:58.740 so that it could do
00:41:59.300 to other people
00:42:00.060 completely
00:42:00.780 misses the fact
00:42:02.720 that they point out
00:42:04.020 all the time
00:42:04.920 that
00:42:05.480 sometimes an additional life
00:42:07.360 doesn't bring marginally
00:42:08.840 that much good to the world
00:42:10.040 and maybe
00:42:10.600 their life is kind of like that
00:42:12.240 maybe the world
00:42:12.820 would be better off
00:42:13.580 without them
00:42:14.200 and people are just
00:42:15.200 so uncomfortable
00:42:16.080 exploring this topic
00:42:19.840 and
00:42:20.480 it's
00:42:21.440 it's obviously
00:42:22.300 very very difficult
00:42:23.400 if you're someone
00:42:24.060 who could potentially
00:42:24.720 get better
00:42:25.200 but when this comes
00:42:26.340 to end of life
00:42:27.920 you are terminally ill
00:42:29.080 or you are no longer
00:42:30.220 able to function
00:42:31.140 in very basic ways
00:42:32.220 this becomes much more
00:42:33.440 of a no-brainer
00:42:34.100 yeah
00:42:35.800 and I think
00:42:36.440 that we are going
00:42:37.180 to enter a world
00:42:38.120 where the number
00:42:39.080 of people
00:42:39.660 who are net drains
00:42:40.940 on society
00:42:41.560 is increasing
00:42:42.640 and
00:42:43.920 specifically what I mean
00:42:44.960 is is it like
00:42:45.580 the severe elderly
00:42:46.320 and stuff like that
00:42:47.280 and how are we going
00:42:48.080 to deal with that
00:42:48.700 like I don't see
00:42:49.840 another
00:42:50.420 realistic solution
00:42:52.480 right now
00:42:52.920 and a lot of these people
00:42:53.880 who are out there
00:42:54.880 complaining about
00:42:56.000 oh
00:42:56.600 you know
00:42:57.560 it's so horrible
00:42:58.460 that this is happening
00:42:59.260 and I'm like
00:42:59.580 well how many kids
00:43:00.300 do you have
00:43:01.160 what have you done
00:43:02.720 to resolve the problem
00:43:03.480 they're like
00:43:03.780 well one
00:43:04.460 two
00:43:04.940 it's like
00:43:05.980 okay
00:43:06.440 sister
00:43:07.200 like maybe
00:43:08.160 you're the problem
00:43:09.880 right
00:43:10.220 like you're
00:43:11.000 why we're in this problem
00:43:12.500 you actually need
00:43:14.200 to sacrifice
00:43:14.820 you actually need
00:43:15.880 to do something
00:43:16.360 for the next generation
00:43:17.220 and now we're at a point
00:43:18.800 because so many people
00:43:19.900 like you
00:43:20.660 didn't make
00:43:21.720 this sacrifice
00:43:22.680 didn't put in the effort
00:43:24.520 that we are forced
00:43:26.400 into hard choices
00:43:27.480 you know
00:43:28.260 we are on a collection
00:43:30.020 of space ships
00:43:31.080 and it's become clear
00:43:33.240 we don't have the oxygen
00:43:34.700 to supply all the ships anymore
00:43:36.180 so do we let them
00:43:37.440 all slowly die
00:43:38.440 or do we redirect oxygen
00:43:39.680 to a couple of them
00:43:40.560 and the people
00:43:41.680 who are like
00:43:42.340 no there's always a way
00:43:44.180 it's like
00:43:44.640 maybe you got a little
00:43:46.020 brainwashed by children's cartoons
00:43:47.760 because there isn't always a way
00:43:49.520 sometimes you need
00:43:50.840 to make tough choices
00:43:51.720 and when lazy people
00:43:53.240 force us into tough choices
00:43:54.400 I hate those lazy people
00:43:55.860 who did that
00:43:56.380 but at the end of the day
00:43:58.080 you don't approve
00:43:59.300 well too bad
00:44:01.020 we're in this
00:44:02.280 for the species
00:44:03.020 boys and girls
00:44:03.860 and I don't care
00:44:05.820 that it's not fun
00:44:06.800 or it's not nice
00:44:08.500 or it makes you uncomfortable
00:44:10.580 we have to survive
00:44:12.420 true story
00:44:16.220 and I hate this
00:44:17.680 this ultra progressive sentiment
00:44:19.040 and it's so funny
00:44:19.960 when conservatives pretend
00:44:20.780 that they're not progressives
00:44:21.920 when they're just like
00:44:22.800 no every life matters
00:44:24.260 equally
00:44:24.660 it's like well
00:44:25.320 not really
00:44:26.000 not really
00:44:28.480 by their value set
00:44:30.060 they do
00:44:30.500 I mean
00:44:30.900 they have different
00:44:31.820 definitions of what's real
00:44:33.140 and what reality is
00:44:34.380 and what values are
00:44:35.260 so
00:44:35.480 and what I'm arguing here
00:44:36.560 is no
00:44:37.020 not even from their own
00:44:38.400 value set
00:44:39.100 is this true
00:44:39.900 every life does not
00:44:41.520 matter equally
00:44:42.300 to any value set
00:44:44.080 that I have ever heard of
00:44:45.560 people just pretend this
00:44:47.320 when they can use it
00:44:48.380 to make an argument
00:44:49.040 or try to make you
00:44:49.660 look like a monster
00:44:50.420 so to give an example here
00:44:52.480 if I put a family member
00:44:54.060 in front of them
00:44:54.760 versus a non-family member
00:44:56.040 and I'm like
00:44:56.480 I'm gonna shoot one
00:44:57.100 they're like
00:44:57.380 well they shoot
00:44:57.880 the non-family member
00:44:58.820 right
00:44:59.720 like obviously
00:45:00.420 those lives
00:45:00.860 aren't equal to them
00:45:01.640 or if I'm like
00:45:02.600 okay I have a baby here
00:45:03.920 and a 77 year old here
00:45:06.080 I'm gonna shoot one
00:45:07.040 one has to die
00:45:08.640 which one do you choose
00:45:10.040 every time
00:45:10.620 they're gonna choose
00:45:11.120 the old person
00:45:11.640 what I'm saying
00:45:12.220 is it is fundamentally
00:45:13.360 a progressively
00:45:14.320 minded sentiment
00:45:15.480 and they are pretending
00:45:16.940 that it is conservative
00:45:17.840 they are trying to
00:45:18.520 incept the conservative
00:45:19.420 movement
00:45:20.060 with their
00:45:21.460 progressive
00:45:22.580 nanny state ideology
00:45:24.020 okay that's fair
00:45:26.460 anyway
00:45:28.240 but yeah
00:45:28.540 I love you too
00:45:30.340 hopefully we have
00:45:31.920 some years
00:45:33.240 going in this
00:45:33.780 I'm just saying
00:45:34.200 depending on your
00:45:35.160 definitions
00:45:36.200 and objective function
00:45:37.540 this can absolutely
00:45:38.860 be the wrong thing to do
00:45:39.840 but I think
00:45:40.720 for most people's
00:45:41.760 objective functions
00:45:42.520 and definitions
00:45:43.040 this is the right thing
00:45:44.020 to do
00:45:44.280 and we need to admit
00:45:45.020 that to ourselves
00:45:45.840 even though it's not
00:45:46.600 fun to think about
00:45:47.300 yeah
00:45:48.200 love you
00:45:49.700 love you too
00:45:50.500 I got a callback
00:45:53.880 from the fertility clinic
00:45:55.440 and I am showing
00:45:57.400 at least doubling HCG
00:45:58.660 so it's hanging on there
00:46:00.180 like
00:46:00.720 I'm currently pregnant
00:46:02.260 and I really want to
00:46:04.000 hold on to this one
00:46:04.740 so fingers crossed
00:46:06.260 and
00:46:07.160 I'm going in again
00:46:09.080 for testing in
00:46:09.920 three days
00:46:10.660 and we'll see
00:46:11.240 all right
00:46:12.460 pitch a natal con
00:46:13.480 yes
00:46:14.540 so we would love
00:46:16.280 to hang out with you
00:46:16.940 if you plan on being
00:46:18.260 in or near Austin
00:46:19.480 for natal con
00:46:20.640 we're probably going to
00:46:21.280 host some kind of
00:46:22.000 base camp meetup
00:46:23.040 but you should be
00:46:23.740 registered for this
00:46:24.740 this conference
00:46:25.500 if you want to meet
00:46:26.220 other pro natalists
00:46:27.180 if you enter the code
00:46:28.400 Collins at checkout
00:46:29.360 you will get 10% off
00:46:30.600 so you should
00:46:31.060 definitely do that
00:46:32.040 and we're really
00:46:33.440 looking forward to see
00:46:34.500 whoever shows up
00:46:36.380 it's it was amazing
00:46:37.380 last year
00:46:37.940 so this year
00:46:38.980 it'll be even better
00:46:40.680 I really want this
00:46:44.120 you're going to have
00:47:03.360 to do that in the future
00:47:04.140 Octavian
00:47:04.500 when you get bid
00:47:05.860 make a lot of money
00:47:07.000 and they'd make the
00:47:08.100 world a better place
00:47:08.860 and that's how you
00:47:09.340 give money to the
00:47:09.880 future police
00:47:10.440 yep
00:47:10.880 so you're going to
00:47:12.080 do that
00:47:12.580 yeah
00:47:13.420 I'm trying to be nice
00:47:15.160 whoa
00:47:22.480 you hit tight
00:47:23.580 be careful there buddy