Based Camp - Sins Aren’t Equal： Ranking Activities’ Sinfulness (Erotic and Otherwise)

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone! I'm excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to have an interesting conversation around ranking the severity of various modern sins so that we can understand which ones are worse for an individual in terms of, well, just broad effects they have on your life.

00:00:21.300 Like, as I pointed out in other episodes, sins are basically a list of things, you know, like, don't cheat on your wife, don't be mean to people, don't murder people, like, listen to your parents, stuff that's just gonna F up your life if you don't follow it in a general format.

00:00:37.920 It's like a big list of don't piss on the electric fence. And then some humans are just like, but if I just goon all day, every day, that'll feel fantastic, right?

00:00:47.340 and it's like no it won't maybe for like a half a day you get to year two of that and you're living

00:00:54.860 the life of anna valen see our episode on what happened to her life right like going through

00:00:59.900 her private diaries in our life of the cinnabite episode you were an interesting study lust greed

00:01:05.540 deception fertile ground but rather mundane doors to the pleasures of heaven or hell i didn't care

00:01:12.600 which i thought i'd gone to the limits i hadn't the cenobites gave me an experience beyond the

00:01:18.640 limits pain and pleasure indivisible it is not happiness at the end of the haydenism maxing

00:01:31.000 tunnel as i often point out if you look at the people in our society who have access to

00:01:35.820 everything they could possibly want your movie star your music star when they indulge in that

00:01:42.780 when they indulge in the you know endless chain of of women and drugs and everything like that

00:01:47.640 they often crash out as some of the least happy and satisfied humans alive whereas people who

00:01:55.520 often do not have much and i'm sure many of you you know these individuals pious individuals who

00:02:00.520 just work to give back to the community they're often some of the most fulfilled people you will

00:02:05.960 ever meet and so this is this is paid off to us but whatever religious teaching you're using and

00:02:21.820 i'm going to try to keep this while this is one of the track series i'm going to try to keep it

00:02:25.100 useful to not just christians or orthodox jews or anyone but just broadly anyone because the the set

00:02:32.500 of laws that like christians follow seems to generally be useful for other people as well 0.89

00:02:38.660 that's why they seem to perfectly overly with like the no-hide laws when jews are like well i just want

00:02:43.080 everyone to follow the no-hide laws and it's like all observant christians already follow all of

00:02:47.460 those like why are you making this a separate thing it's just good rules for life and being

00:02:51.700 a member of a community but we're going to start because where this came up was in a fan call which

00:02:58.500 we have for our paid fans who get our extra weekend episodes if you don't know about that that's a

00:03:02.420 thing and they somebody was talking about the relative sinfulness of video games right and

00:03:10.060 we'll be using the romans quotas in here which is like anything you don't do for god is sin basically

00:03:14.000 anything you don't do that you can't be like this is something i am doing for whatever for god means

00:03:19.640 you like for goodness to to to promote humanity's uh you know moving forwards whatever you want to

00:03:24.840 you talk it's it's it's something that's an object to that purely selfish action right

00:03:30.540 um and they were like video games is a very very expedient sin like of of the various sinful

00:03:38.380 things you can do and and to give an example of what i mean for this let's contrast two things

00:03:42.980 okay here let's contrast the relative sinfulness of video games versus watching sports right like

00:03:53.640 both of these things are things you're fundamentally doing for yourself for your own

00:03:57.080 self-gratification but they have different impacts or potential impacts on your life

00:04:02.820 now obviously you can engage with either too much in a way that just completely destroys your life

00:04:09.260 we all know the person who crashed out on warhammer for five years and then came out of a

00:04:13.540 hole one day and was like world of warcraft not warhammer yeah war world of warcraft world of

00:04:17.720 warcraft that was like a thing that if you lived through that a bunch of us nerds in a college

00:04:22.860 dorm like in a certain period of time there was at least one kid yeah oh and and here i'll add

00:04:29.680 another one here magic the gathering card collecting or oh no no well let's just say

00:04:34.600 yeah card collecting more general so like non-playable card collecting now we'll use

00:04:40.120 magic together because it allows us to talk about a variety of things together if you are really

00:04:44.680 into let's say a sports and so you have to you want to watch the games the moment they come out

00:04:51.300 now that already makes it relatively more bad than a video game that you can play at any time

00:04:58.680 day or night right because now you're having to even if you're spending the same amount of time

00:05:04.400 on it, that time is not variable and therefore is going to be more intrusive on your ability

00:05:12.020 to do things that are actually like a net benefit for society or God or whatever, right?

00:05:18.160 Like you're, you're, you're going to have to maybe not go to the thing with your kids

00:05:23.720 or not go to the things that you can slot in at any time, day or night.

00:05:28.740 The flexibility of a sin is really important to that.

00:05:31.960 it then you have the cost the relative cost this is where something like trading cards can get

00:05:36.520 really big because the relative cost of entertainment hour per dollar spend is of of

00:05:43.860 just about anything you can be into i think the lowest on video games now this is assuming that

00:05:51.020 you are into single player video games rather than either loot box type games which can be

00:05:57.840 incorporated in single player video games if you are susceptible to loot boxes now note not everyone

00:06:02.940 is susceptible to loot boxes some people can play a game with loot boxes forever and never spend on

00:06:08.480 them i think that this is something that you have to ask yourself and and from your own historic

00:06:13.280 behavior if you know you are susceptible to loot boxes don't don't engage with them right like

00:06:21.080 don't engage with any game that has them and i'm sorry if that's like taking things out for you

00:06:26.280 but one of the most dangerous you know of all the various things we're warned not to do gambling

00:06:31.440 is i think one of the most dangerous and the reason why gambling is i i put gambling above

00:06:39.720 something like heroin oh yeah it's just so quickly and easily ruinous yeah it's

00:06:47.840 while heroin can kill you in a day it's much less likely to like even even if it does kill you like

00:06:55.560 your assets are still inherited by other people right like when gambling ruins your life it

00:07:02.900 typically one it could ruin multi-generations of life savings just like that but two the people

00:07:10.760 who have an issue is it often borrow against other people when they do it and the happiness

00:07:16.900 you get from it doesn't feel very long-term satisfying it's like not a good like this is

00:07:22.940 the other thing i'll keep into account when we're like rating sins is how good is the happiness you

00:07:28.200 get out of it the happiness that you get out of gambling is incredibly low-grade superficial

00:07:36.540 most basal of hungers there isn't any sort of deep satisfaction like you may get out of beating a

00:07:43.720 really hard video game or something like that right and so that's where keep in mind is the

00:07:50.300 pastime that like when you're judging the potential sin of a pastime what other sins come attached to

00:07:56.760 this pastime so if you look at something like being into sports gambling is very commonly

00:08:02.720 attached to being into sports oh so what what what is also the constellation of related things that

00:08:08.780 you might get into right so like this is when it comes to something like if you really like going

00:08:12.820 like clubbing the odds of you getting a drug habit non-trivial right yeah yeah explode which

00:08:19.300 just like we're like developing alcohol this is why we would even if it's the same amount of time

00:08:25.280 even if it's the same amount of cost to both go to a bar or go to a nightclub the nightclub has

00:08:32.980 a much higher probability of leading to an escalatory cycle that is going to do more

00:08:39.520 deleterious impact to your life yeah gosh but also but by the way so an interesting i find this

00:08:46.660 to be an interesting like broader conversation here something that that's not often thought

00:08:51.700 about but the moment you begin to frame things like this you can be like oh this is a good way

00:08:55.780 for me to think through also like whether you want to engage with something to begin with you're also

00:09:00.240 looking at like uniquely male habits too i think that yeah let's elevate travel could be one of

00:09:06.680 them for women plastic surgery is one of them for women what was the first one you said for

00:09:10.460 travel plastic surgery and shopping travel plastic surgery and shopping absolutely because plastic 0.97

00:09:15.660 surgery is an incredibly for many women addictive thing and it is an endless money hole also like 0.99

00:09:22.860 you get to a point where after you have a certain number of procedures done you have to keep doing 0.99

00:09:27.480 more procedures to either fix or maintain procedures and that is incredibly expensive

00:09:33.260 plus you just start to look terrible so that's not good and if we're putting out any sort of

00:09:38.140 teachings around jewelry i would strongly suggest that individuals treat jewelry the way i did with

00:09:44.260 my wife, which basically when you get married, you ask her and you lay out, what is all of the

00:09:50.040 jewelry you want in your life? You know, be greedy. If you had the maximum look, what does 0.87

00:09:56.660 that look look like? It is X mini pearl necklaces. It's X mini earrings of these various sizes and

00:10:03.600 styles. It's X mini rings. You create that list for all of the variable ways you could piece

00:10:08.840 together jewelry and you say okay now with this list this is where like i'm gonna be getting you

00:10:14.820 presents from this list for x many years and when we get to the end of this list that's it no more

00:10:20.380 jewelry right like this is all of the jewelry you could ever imagine yourself wanting yeah like

00:10:26.240 you can't develop a like i'm a jewelry collector like that that is an incredibly sinful hobby

00:10:32.480 right because that is an endless money you're just spending money on more jewelry for the

00:10:37.340 emotional state you get when you spend the money on jewelry and we say this because we we know

00:10:42.160 people who've had this habit who literally have for their retirement owned like a condo that they

00:10:48.760 it was supposed to be part of their retirement portfolio and they sold it to buy jewelry

00:10:52.800 like this is so you know we talk about men's gambling addictions a lot I think

00:10:58.000 yeah I don't think we talk enough about some problems that women have I'm not really sure

00:11:04.080 why maybe it's it's well i think that society changed you more because oh how dare you put

00:11:08.600 rules on women but let's let's do it let's go through like i think that the same thing that

00:11:13.040 goes with jewelry can go with travel right like yeah luxury and luxury travel is an endless like

00:11:18.000 just one business class flight can send you back well sorry the last time i tried to look at

00:11:22.240 business class flights just because i was curious was well before oil went crazy with the iran war

00:11:27.560 this is like maybe two years ago and like one flight across an ocean was twenty thousand dollars

00:11:32.120 for one person a good way to handle travel right because it is an endless money pit as you say

00:11:35.940 yeah if you are the type of person who goes on the same vacation every year assuming that's not

00:11:43.000 like a drive from your house or something like that right there's likely no point to that you

00:11:47.860 are not picking up any new additional information on trip number 10 to hawaii that you didn't get

00:11:54.420 on trip number one to hawaii you're not getting any new perspective you're not getting any new

00:11:58.520 this is purely a hedonistic thing to do in an extremely expensive hedonistic i mean i think

00:12:03.640 there's there's something to be said for cultural family traditions like some families like every

00:12:09.260 year will all gather at this one place and that's well and as i was saying the important thing about

00:12:13.900 cultural family traditions is that they are not pointlessly orders of magnitude more expensive

00:12:22.740 than an equivalent tradition the family could do so by this what i mean is our family could

00:12:29.420 every year go to hawaii or we could every year go to a lake house airbnb a couple hours from here

00:12:37.240 or we could every year go to the jersey shore and rent a place or even buy a place and have it

00:12:43.960 there right as an as an asset if we make the active decision to do the thing like marginally

00:12:51.700 how much better is Hawaii than the Jersey shore yet it costs orders of magnitude more

00:12:59.340 yeah yeah that's fair yeah and even just like food in Hawaii costs so much more that it's you

00:13:06.460 have yeah and if you're like oh the Jersey shore is gross okay drive a bit further to Connecticut

00:13:11.040 I think Connecticut is strictly better than Hawaii like the ocean oh my gosh yeah hands down

00:13:16.500 yeah or Rhode Island I mean if you want to be fancy you know you could do the Hamptons you

00:13:20.900 could do well not the hamdus because that's ridiculous that's hawaii level but maybe like

00:13:24.620 martha's vineyard or cape cod or something cape cod's great you can go camping in cape cod yeah

00:13:29.040 yeah and this is what i'm talking about when i'm talking about like i do think that people need

00:13:33.880 some degree of hedonism you know the the family traditions you have the things that you do to

00:13:41.060 entertain yourself i think if you remove all of those while some people can live that way

00:13:44.540 i think simone essentially lives that way i do not think everyone can live that way and still

00:13:49.280 be an efficient human being. I know I personally can't. And so I do engage with things like video

00:13:55.980 games, but when it comes to something like gambling, it falls into that category. When

00:14:00.640 we were listing out like really big sins, the trying something just to see if you like it,

00:14:06.260 gambling is probably the biggest red flag. Oh my gosh. Yeah. No reason you need to know if you

00:14:10.900 like gambling. That's so true. Yeah. It's like, Hey, I should try this extremely addictive

00:14:18.380 narcotic let's see if how it goes maybe you'll like it do you think you'll like it well and when

00:14:24.160 you know you do have a problem with something and this is where i you know other people know i take

00:14:28.980 naltrexone which is an opioid agonist which is just fantastic for helping curb the types of

00:14:33.700 addictive impulses that you may have whether it's alcohol or masturbation or anything like this

00:14:38.440 right like the place that had the biggest impact on my life that i didn't expect was checking the

00:14:43.000 news every morning when i first wrote hookup and then checking my facebook feed and checking the

00:14:47.240 latest comics and checking the that behavior just went away after i started taking it and a lot of

00:14:52.140 people can say well you shouldn't be removing the sins from yourself like the temptation from the

00:14:56.960 sins and i'm like bro like jesus was literally the guy who was like if your eye leads you to sin tear

00:15:01.840 it out like if your arm leads you to sin cut it off like he obviously didn't mean exactly that in

00:15:06.940 context but if you're going with the vibe of the message trexton would fit perfectly in this now

00:15:12.860 obviously this doesn't work for catholics because catholics know that the church actually had to

00:15:16.200 once rule on priests who were castrating themselves to not be tempted by sin and the church ruled

00:15:22.080 against doing that which seems very weird to me in the line with you know the bible's teaching but

00:15:27.060 whatever right you know yeah the point here being you don't need to expose yourself to something

00:15:31.500 like we have the technology and as technology advances i think one of the areas i want to

00:15:35.520 see it advance the most is on the mitigation of sinful impulses like imagine a society where

00:15:42.320 people don't feel these impulses to the same degree anymore. You know, you literally cut out

00:15:47.680 the eyes, right, of society moving forwards. And we're beginning to see that with stuff like

00:15:52.320 Ozempic, right? Like, is Ozempic not a category there that we're seeing? And this is where

00:15:57.960 something like gluttony can be extra bad, because when we're looking at sins, another thing we need

00:16:03.420 to keep in mind in sort of the grand ranking of sins is the probability that it's going to kill

00:16:09.140 you because that has enormous externalities on everyone that's counting on you and your ability

00:16:15.440 to do anything in the future right yeah and anything that falls into the category of actively

00:16:20.380 leading to your death which can happen in two categories one can be something like gluttony

00:16:26.960 another can be where it's like just literally unhealthy or something like orgies right where

00:16:31.900 you may get diseases and stuff like that yeah or like before i met malcolm i liked base jumping i

00:16:37.080 liked i'm gonna put that in the second category oh so these are things that are just actively

00:16:41.340 unhealthful then there's things that come with a risk of severe injury or death oh okay so there's

00:16:47.260 sort of the chronic bad health which i would also include like habits of just staying up incredibly

00:16:51.520 late not getting enough sleep that's really bad for you yes because you're trying to push me to

00:16:55.600 work yeah malcolm no but i i agree with that you can be indulgent in your work and i need to be

00:17:01.840 aware of that yeah you're sitting you are sitting dying yes which it could really at this point when

00:17:06.440 you look at how much i work yeah hey but look at how much rfab has improved go to go to sleep

00:17:12.560 please oh anyway go on gluttony where was i where were they going was with gluttony there's the two

00:17:19.540 categories there's the one but there's a category of the risk of death or severe injury and this

00:17:24.580 really matters when it comes to like suppose you're in school and you're choosing your sport

00:17:28.600 something that you should be very aware of in that choice is what is the chance that this could give

00:17:35.500 you a life-changing injury so if you're considering between extremely high injury sports like say

00:17:43.440 crew or cheerleaders crew has incredibly high because you can catch crowds which basically

00:17:49.740 means your your row hits the water at the wrong moment vis-a-vis everyone else moving forwards

00:17:55.780 so the forwards motion of your boat catches your or and throws it into your face

00:18:00.260 with all of the momentum of everyone on the boat and the speed of the boat god i didn't know that

00:18:08.440 that's horrible yeah yeah easy to become paralyzed and stuff like that dude okay guys if you want to

00:18:15.760 do just do outrigger canoe racing really fun and yeah outrigger canoe racing really great if you

00:18:21.540 like crew but you don't want to die outrigger canoe racing i mean your boat might flip because

00:18:27.700 and this is what we're talking about here with any of these there are variable things where you

00:18:32.560 could get an equal amount of pleasure or whatever satisfaction you're getting yeah don't come with

00:18:38.100 the same negative externalities and in the categories of sins actively choosing not to

00:18:45.260 look this stuff up falls in the same category you should you should before you sign up for

00:18:52.180 an extracurricular look up the risk of death or serious injury from that extracurricular yeah for

00:18:58.980 real like in high school i was on an outrigger canoe racing team and then i looked at joining

00:19:04.300 crew in college at no point did i have any idea because i almost joined gw's crew team

00:19:10.000 i didn't know that could happen the only reason i backed out was i was like oh i will have no life

00:19:15.340 if i join this team because it's so well and that's the other thing is how much of your life

00:19:18.680 does it consume like that totally you are almost certainly and this is the thing even if you're

00:19:22.480 doing sin for hedonism there are some times where you're just doing a sin that is absolutely

00:19:27.540 pointless in terms of the amount of hedonism it's getting you like going to disneyland is

00:19:33.620 pointless there is no way that that was the best use of that money there yeah i think one thing

00:19:40.780 we discovered too when we took our kids to places before we were like really thoughtful about it and

00:19:45.760 taking a first principles approach was like well okay what are our kids actually obsessed with

00:19:49.940 and it's never like the concept of Disney or the concept of whatever it is that's happening it's

00:19:55.240 like they hyper fix it on like I like to throw rocks in this thing and that might not even be

00:20:00.300 what they're supposed to do right and so you can just replicate that most likely at home and you

00:20:05.180 know right like consider the alternative like what I do with the kids right is I get a little

00:20:09.540 inflatable boat with a small motor and we drive around the lakes around here and we go around the

00:20:15.220 and we catch crayfish and little fish

00:20:17.560 and throw rocks and they build dams.

00:20:27.560 Hey, where are you guys going?

00:20:29.440 I'm fishing at places.

00:20:31.380 I found a place for fishers.

00:20:34.320 I found the best place for fishers.

00:20:37.300 I gotta go get my fishinets.

00:20:39.420 And that is almost certainly for kids their age

00:20:42.380 as fun as waiting in lines

00:20:44.400 because that's what disneyland really is it's a it's a line simulator so then there's lines for

00:20:48.980 fast pass you stand in line to get a ticket to stand in line later then there's lines for the

00:20:54.080 bathrooms lines for the drinks lines for cantagoras and rare cantagula plates

00:20:58.240 uh and you could be like well what about the novelty okay well even if it's about the novelty

00:21:05.000 there's going to be a local park to you that's going to have about the equivalent of disneyland

00:21:11.380 maybe 20% less or something. Oh, you mean like an actual theme park,

00:21:15.640 like Hershey park for us or something. Hershey park or something. Right. Yeah.

00:21:19.660 It's going to be strictly personally, I don't think it's any worse, but you know, assuming

00:21:24.340 like, even if you go to Disneyland, I still think Universal is a better studio.

00:21:27.520 But what I'm saying here is, is to apply all of this with a degree of intentionality.

00:21:33.400 And then to look at this with the risk of injury, also risk of any other sort of long-term negative

00:21:40.440 effect on your life so like if there is a magic the gathering is a good example of this right

00:21:47.520 if you end up getting addicted to card collecting which a lot of these people do magic the gathering

00:21:53.520 can just siphon money from you endlessly you can never have enough decks you never have enough

00:21:59.200 cards you never have enough you know much more so than something like getting really into to dark

00:22:04.760 souls or something like that and then the next thing we need to consider and then obviously the

00:22:09.460 highest category of sin within these activities is anything that could just kill you like in terms

00:22:14.820 of base jumping parachuting out of an airplane hand gliding hot air ballooning a lot of these

00:22:21.900 things are just like oh personal plane flying like is there really not some other activity

00:22:30.320 that you could get the same amount of marginal enjoyment from that doesn't run the risk of just

00:22:35.300 killing you and also isn't worth tons of money all of those are also enormously expensive hobbies

00:22:41.080 yeah there's that yeah actually just recently i think eight people died in a skydiving plane

00:22:48.580 accident they're rickety planes so it doesn't surprise me i remember thinking when i skydove

00:22:57.020 for the first time the only time like oh this is probably how i'll die it was like held together

00:23:05.980 with tape so yeah no but these things like just recognizing because i i think a lot of religious

00:23:12.900 traditions because people in the past didn't randomly do stuff for fun that could get them

00:23:17.340 killed for no reason this is like a modern invention of sinfulness that we just invented

00:23:23.380 out of the ethos anyone historically would be like why would you do something that could just

00:23:28.220 get you killed right like we invented an entirely new category of sinfulness that the bible

00:23:34.580 didn't even know it needed to warn us about therefore that's why i'm i'm doing this that's

00:23:39.200 why i'm putting this together now i need to be clear here this isn't out of line with passages

00:23:43.100 from the bible you know if you look at something like proverbs 22 3 the prudency danger and take

00:23:49.160 refuge but the simple keep going and pay the penalty or proverbs 14 16 one who is wise is

00:23:56.320 cautious and turns away from evil but the fool is reckless and careless or ecclesiastes 7 17 0.92

00:24:04.300 do not be over wicked and do not be a fool why die before your time and and so you can see this

00:24:11.420 isn't out of a line was what the bible is teaching but it just never explicitly says because i don't

00:24:16.960 think anyone around the time any of the biblical books was written would randomly risk their lives 0.86

00:24:23.580 over simple thrills people back then simply weren't that indulgent and stupid so it didn't 0.98

00:24:29.920 need to be laid out like this but now i want to go into that crew thing is crazy yeah is thinking 0.98

00:24:37.880 through the negative externalities of the type of sin that you are engaged in so a good example

00:24:44.300 of fear could come down to something like corn, right? If you were going to rank, because obviously

00:24:50.520 if you're masturbating, well, I don't think it's like enormously sinful when contrasted with other

00:24:55.660 things that you might do. It's still clearly not something you're doing for God, which makes it

00:24:59.980 sinful, right? If you are now considering the various ways that you can engage with not safe

00:25:05.380 for work material, I think obviously the highest form of negative is hiring a prostitute to cheat

00:25:12.640 on your wife right like that that's where you get at the highest level of of negativity or because

00:25:18.520 of the money spent or what well because it has money spent on something that's completely pointless

00:25:25.120 from a family perspective two you are creating a negative externality for the woman you're pinging

00:25:30.920 not just for your wife not just for your family because you could one get a disease from her

00:25:35.860 which creates more of a negative externality than other ways you could go out and do that

00:25:40.460 but also you have now created a profession that can ruin this woman's life right like a lot of 0.89

00:25:46.000 these women who get into this they end up specking into this only fans build i guess you want to say 1.00

00:25:51.800 right while they're young not building up their skills not building up a real job record then

00:25:56.840 they lose their looks and now they're kind of screwed although i have heard did you know this 0.99

00:26:02.940 that older women at like nightclubs and strip clubs and stuff like that actually get paid more 1.00

00:26:07.780 than younger women that makes sense because i feel like they would put in more effort

00:26:13.400 yeah well effort experience and i don't know maybe guys i i don't know the full of them but

00:26:19.420 apparently this is also somewhat true on some not safe for works i i don't know all the mechanics

00:26:23.920 of this i'm not gonna go deep into it but there is a point after which you're just not gonna get

00:26:28.520 anyone and you're gonna be completely screwed and no guys want to marry you and so you can't

00:26:32.020 settle down you can't have a family you can't easily you know it's gonna be much harder after 0.98

00:26:35.960 that right that chair with a garbage bag taped over it looks pretty good meg you look pretty

00:26:43.800 next to her and so and this this matters like building this sort of internal ranking like

00:26:49.900 if you're gonna have like let's just suppose you're engaging with content online right

00:26:53.640 the the lowest category in terms of sinfulness would be purely drawn or well no ai generated

00:27:01.240 content would be the lowest because no other human was ever even engaged with that then the

00:27:05.720 next would be drawn stuff because some woman isn't making this her life work then you move into 0.99

00:27:12.700 actual photos and videos of real human women because now you are promoting an industry that 1.00

00:27:19.240 creates these negative externalities then one step up from that is only fans because now you are

00:27:26.780 actively lowering because remember your time like the time effort that you could be spending

00:27:32.480 on attempting to contribute to whatever you think has intrinsic value is competing not just in terms

00:27:38.580 of time but in terms of money because money in a capitalist system it can buy time functionally

00:27:45.060 speaking not perfectly but but that's what you spend your time on you generate the money the

00:27:49.320 money can be translated for time that's what we do this for right so when you are actively spending

00:27:55.040 money on an only fans account or something like that especially if you're in a relationship or

00:28:00.120 married because now it's money that should be going to your kids should be going to your wife

00:28:03.220 that that puts that and yet a higher tier and i think that this is useful to think through right

00:28:07.520 instead of just bucketing it all as being exactly the same in terms of the orders of magnitude

00:28:13.760 worth i would put something like only fans at 10 000 times worse than ai generated content

00:28:26.080 in terms of like the active scale of badness well yeah because of the especially the roi

00:28:34.480 like if you put the the amount you can get of value from ai token-based purchases versus what

00:28:44.060 you're getting with only fans was which isn't and i would argue 90 plus percent of cases unless

00:28:49.020 you're going after like very very low-ranked people you're not interacting with the actual

00:28:53.580 model anyway so like so you're paying this much to interact with someone in like india or pakistan

00:28:59.500 or vietnam or i don't know who knows where right who's not the woman you're paying a huge reward

00:29:06.020 cup and it's not you're still affecting someone's life so well and worse you're entering an

00:29:11.380 environment that falls into the earlier sin category we were talking about where 1.00

00:29:14.800 the woman has a motivation to attempt to addict you a lot of the only fans pipelines are really 1.00

00:29:21.560 heavily a b tested to try to get you addicted to them that's the point they want you as a permanent 1.00

00:29:28.220 customer it's the same way we're like if you are paying money to someone for sex that person has

00:29:35.660 a motivation to attempt to break up your existing relationship right like any sort of long-term

00:29:40.540 stable implications for society relationship you have they now have a motivation to disrupt that

00:29:45.620 for you and yeah yeah so i i think that that is okay and this is worth thinking about like again

00:29:53.780 something like let's consider categories here video games versus skydiving the the relative

00:29:59.980 negative externality to your life assuming you don't get addicted to video game gambling

00:30:04.860 is i i might say a million fold less bad maybe maybe more than a million i i might literally say

00:30:13.320 it is a no no i'd say maybe a billion fold less bad to spend a night playing video games than it

00:30:21.360 is to skydive or free climb or any of those things that have these giant externalities to your life

00:30:27.340 because there is no chance that i accidentally kill myself playing a video game right and when

00:30:33.420 you think about all of the downstream effects of your death for something that in terms of the

00:30:40.580 pleasure that you can harness from the two events i'd honestly be very surprised that

00:30:44.880 somebody gets more acute pleasure from skydiving than they do for video games which makes it even

00:30:50.040 worse or well i i don't know i'm incapable of garnering pleasure from playing video games as

00:30:57.780 we've discovered much to your but you gain pleasure from watching your romance shows do you enjoy those

00:31:04.620 more than skydiving like it the the three or four hours it takes to make a full skydive it is it's

00:31:09.920 hard to yeah i mean it's like it's a specific high it's the adrenaline like that's why i like

00:31:14.620 jumping off things and it's not you would think oh well you're only enjoying that for like the

00:31:19.360 few seconds that you've jumped out of the plane that's actually the least interesting part because

00:31:23.660 falling from the sky as it turns out just feels windy like if you've ever leaned into a heavy

00:31:28.360 wind that can hold you up when you lean into it you have experienced what it feels like to skydive

00:31:32.720 congratulations but it's literally just an addiction to a chemical reaction no yeah it's

00:31:38.660 it's the buildup it's the waiting in the hangar it's the getting on the plane it's the going up

00:31:42.340 it's the harnessing up it's the leaning out of the plane it's the deciding to tip out like that

00:31:47.080 that is where that high comes from and it's unique it's not something you can get from a video game

00:31:53.660 the same with like jumping off high things like bridges into water but does it feel good or does

00:31:59.840 it just feel different you feel alive in a different way yeah it just feels different

00:32:05.420 which i think is really pointless like yeah well and i think i think what a lot of people

00:32:12.440 have come to realize is that like you you can get a very similar kind of high from like a cold

00:32:19.240 plunge so i think when we're talking about like the crew versus outrigger canoe racing like if

00:32:25.760 you want that wind taken out of yourself like like you you feel alive yeah get a bucket of ice water

00:32:33.080 like it's really not that hard and that generally has positive health effects from what i've heard

00:32:37.080 it does yeah like there seems to be like an evidence-based argument for cold plunges on a

00:32:42.120 regular basis and the thing is they're unpleasant in a way that i guess skydiving is too like you're

00:32:49.020 waiting on a hot hanger you're paying money like you know it's so yeah i think if you want that

00:32:54.240 kind of feeling and you really need it just get a cold plunge and enjoy the additional health

00:32:59.980 benefits because it's aligned with probably your objective function more presumably because your

00:33:04.180 objective function should probably involve being able to do a thing which you have to be alive to

00:33:08.860 be able to do so yeah this is where because i think it's important to think about when we hear

00:33:14.400 something sinful we just think like don't do it and why it's useful to create these like

00:33:18.940 when when we're looking at various sins and temptations in our lives and we think about

00:33:24.700 their relative negativity to us, right? We often don't fully think through how relatively negative

00:33:33.740 they are. Consider something like me. So let's consider my desire to socialize, right? I could

00:33:43.280 have that exercised in multiple ways in my life, right? Like I could go to parties, I could go to

00:33:52.300 bars. I could go to cities. And if you look at the way that Simone and I actually have ended up

00:33:58.260 doing that in our lives, what we've done is we said, okay, what we're going to do is once every

00:34:06.560 few months, like maybe every four months now, go to New York or DC, rent out a place, invite all

00:34:12.120 our friends over and people we don't know as well, just famous people in the area and be like,

00:34:16.640 hey, you want to come over? You want to come to a party, you know, interesting for socialization.

00:34:20.200 and we're still top of mind, everything like that.

00:34:22.260 And this prevents us from having to do a bunch of other things

00:34:26.340 that may be involved in a choice like where do you live?

00:34:29.080 Like we're able to live in a location

00:34:30.460 where it was very inexpensive to buy a house,

00:34:33.060 very inexpensive to buy groceries,

00:34:34.480 very inexpensive to live,

00:34:35.800 and that frankly is healthier.

00:34:37.400 You know, you're not in the city smog and everything like that.

00:34:39.760 And nicer looking, I look out my window

00:34:42.360 and I see a jungle every day, right? 0.50

00:34:44.260 Than living in Manhattan or living in DC.

00:34:47.360 but I still get the socialization because I very intentionally cluster it

00:34:52.660 all. But then even more than that, if I'm just looking for,

00:34:55.860 if you're like, I couldn't get away with just doing this once every four

00:34:58.200 months,

00:34:59.020 there are ways you can socialize that have positive externalities as well.

00:35:03.800 So an example here would be my leaflet streams. So on a leaflet stream,

00:35:07.640 I'm doing a 10 hour conversation with leaflet typically, right?

00:35:10.440 And you can find these recorded on like Twitch and kick and everything like

00:35:13.680 that. If you're interested in watching them,

00:35:14.800 but these streams often get over 20 000 views you know so not only am i there having a conversation

00:35:22.940 with somebody and masturbating the social part of myself right like i'm doing the social thing

00:35:29.960 which does feel good to do right to to to talk with somebody who you enjoy speaking to 0.86

00:35:35.700 and who shares similar interests than you without having to get in a car go out and interact with

00:35:42.580 strangers risk getting sick keep in mind you're doing that every time you leave your house oh my

00:35:47.100 gosh yeah risk you know you you risk being killed when you go out that's the other thing to remember

00:35:52.700 if you go to like a nightclub district people always get shot in these but also like every

00:35:56.180 time you get in your car don't forget yeah every time you get in a car you're risking your life

00:36:02.420 and and that's that's why i think it's generally good to like cluster those things and to when you

00:36:07.460 think about like the car you get it's upon you to research what is the riskiness of this car to your

00:36:13.900 life any closing thoughts here simone i don't know you've you've given me a lot to think about

00:36:21.880 actually i hadn't thought before about even looking at sinful behaviors and being like okay what is

00:36:29.060 the thing that i'm getting out of this and how do i do it better i mean we i obviously did this or

00:36:33.840 with the help of my dad and his advice did this with a sin of mind that was really damaging right

00:36:39.840 like i loved controlling how much i ate and so she didn't eat anything yeah yeah and so he's like

00:36:44.920 okay i see what you want to do here is control and feel that form of a high so here's another

00:36:52.580 way you could do it without dying and so instead we just balanced calories and calories out and

00:36:57.580 have me weigh and measure and turn to a program everything i ate and then suddenly i wasn't dying

00:37:02.840 anymore. And I think it's a really good idea to take a look at things that we're doing that are

00:37:07.820 problematic. And I'm just going to be thinking for the rest of the day today, okay, what am I doing

00:37:12.360 now that is not good for us? What do I actually want when I'm doing that? And how can I do that

00:37:18.840 better? Ideally in a way that just helps everyone in the family that actually contributes to us.

00:37:24.600 The idea of taking a skydiving or base jumping addiction and turning it into a cold plunge

00:37:29.480 addiction right you're taking a vice and turning it into a virtue while still getting the thing

00:37:33.420 like most of the thing out of the vice that you like yeah yeah and consider something like

00:37:37.660 intramural sports as a sin for example like in school your parents the people are going to have

00:37:42.920 to drive you state to state for competition you know you've got to go to these regular practices

00:37:47.940 which again takes up the time of the people who drive you they're just enormously sinful and we

00:37:52.400 don't think about them as sinful things they can eat up huge amounts of your life that could be

00:37:57.820 spent on self-improvement or attempting to use the the instrument you have honed yourself into

00:38:02.760 to improve society for something completely indulgent yeah yeah well and one person's

00:38:09.220 sin could be another person's perfectly good thing like if for example for one person participation

00:38:15.840 in a sport requires their whole family to sort of derail their lives and spend a lot of time

00:38:19.900 driving but then the other person like happens to live right next to a like major gymnastics gym or

00:38:25.400 whatever where all they have to do is walk over and it's a really good place for them to be like

00:38:29.640 then maybe it's not i think everyone has to consider for themselves what the cost is and

00:38:34.300 what the alignment is yeah yeah and to be honest with yourself around where the things that you

00:38:38.900 spend your time doing on any given day on any given week like if one of your core tasks in

00:38:45.440 life at that time is finding a partner unfortunately you have to do social things yeah like that that

00:38:52.520 becomes one of the things that you just have to do that was the primary reason i did anything

00:38:57.320 social ever in my life was trying to find a partner oh that's done maybe no once once you

00:39:04.820 get a good wife that's a great thing about a good wife and kids you don't need friends anymore right

00:39:08.500 you can just cut all that nonsense out yeah i guess you have to still play the field in case i

00:39:13.480 die but whatever yeah i mean i i gotta know some people i'm just gonna honestly reach out to fans

00:39:19.580 i'm sure there's some fan who wants to marry me oh god well there you have it ladies and

00:39:23.740 gentlemen and with that we will be well especially if the fans like a widower too that would be super

00:39:27.780 easy no you would be the widower and they would be a widow they could be a widower too if they're

00:39:32.900 like no no no a widower malcolm widower is the name for a man who lost his wife what is the

00:39:39.420 widow is a woman who lost her husband unless you want to enter a gay marriage that's fine

00:39:47.020 the the the people who hate you will love that so but i but i think that this this can be applied to

00:39:54.700 sexual like in in regards to like kinks because i think in our society we frame kinks as being like 0.89

00:40:01.960 hugely sinful whereas i would point out that a lot of kinks that you may engage with have literally 0.98

00:40:08.900 no negative externality but the time you waste well yeah like that and this this came up when 0.97

00:40:13.360 we were discussing byron byron gnome christy gnome's husband who had the boomification interest

00:40:19.280 had he just like found a community that would like exchange this stuff and talk about it whatever

00:40:25.880 and like he he got his big boobs and everything and like did his thing without spending tons of

00:40:31.020 money i would not have really seen it as sinful it's like you do you like that's fun for you i 0.88

00:40:36.120 get it go ahead like have this is great it's very common okay like it's an extremely common thing

00:40:42.600 but instead he spent i think over twenty thousand dollars maybe even over sixteen thousand dollars

00:40:48.120 on just like one person and that's where okay like this is this is to your family's detriment

00:40:52.400 this is to your financial detriment like this is money that could have kept you stable in

00:40:55.860 retirement this is money that you could have contributed towards something that's aligned

00:40:59.200 with your values because i doubt his values were yes supporting women and this is where like okay

00:41:04.600 so suppose the king like we're gonna rate kinks here because this is useful to to to be aware of

00:41:09.640 if you're engaging with it in an entirely fictional context, like an AI generated whatever 0.58

00:41:15.000 thing, the negative externalities it can have to your life are incredibly low, especially if it's

00:41:19.540 on a local encrypted thing like RFAB or something like that. So I put that at like the lowest

00:41:23.900 category. But if you're talking about like actually acted upon things, you know, at the low

00:41:28.320 end, you have things like say rope binding or something like that, right? Right. Yeah. Which

00:41:33.960 is just whatever right whereas at the the very highest end you have things that are going to

00:41:39.940 make you sterile these are things like testicle inflation that's becoming ball maxing oh my gosh

00:41:46.140 or orgies or you know something can be very tame like a choking fetish is a very tame oh yeah don't 0.88

00:41:55.020 yeah don't don't but if it can cause severe injury don't engage with it with another human

00:42:00.740 right like no no no no no come on lots of people die doing it to themselves don't you don't say

00:42:05.480 that no i i meant like use ai or something like that just don't actually do imagine doing it no

00:42:10.240 i think it's one of those things where you have to feel it get again if you're into that get into

00:42:14.260 cold plunges you know again just i feel like so many things a cold plunge do it well yeah with

00:42:19.720 all of this i don't think we think about we think of all depraved things as being at the same

00:42:26.500 relative level of depravity often and when we talk about the negative externality on other people

00:42:30.860 this is where something like being a pda file like immediately enters the highest category

00:42:34.920 if if you're doing that with another human being whereas something like lcon artwork which is a

00:42:42.180 very you know whatever topic online about whether this is immoral or not immoral because it doesn't

00:42:49.760 involve real underage people but i put it in the category of we all know it's not the same level of

00:42:57.060 immoral if it could tempt you down a path where the end state is that then it is extremely immoral

00:43:04.460 yeah in the same way that you say like well getting into like team sports can be a gateway

00:43:11.860 to sports gambling in the same way that content could be yeah that it can be extremely immoral

00:43:17.540 in that way yeah i guess what i would say is if any one is probably my biggest question was this

00:43:23.800 is is there not something else that turns you on just as much or can't can't we yeah can't we go

00:43:28.900 with something else that there because yeah typically most people have a basket of things

00:43:33.140 let's go with something else in the basket of all of the various things that turn you on there

00:43:37.500 probably is something but i want to point out that how much worse is an art of this versus it

00:43:45.040 happening to a real human or you consuming content of it happening to a real human yeah

00:43:49.520 yeah yeah i would say it's again one billionth is bad well of course one yeah easily less than

00:43:56.560 one billionth is bad probably yeah which is why people are like why are you questioning me when

00:44:00.880 people are like look i think that you know synthetic versions of this are you know not so

00:44:06.280 bad but but but do i think that if you're a fan of rev says desu the next day you're going to be

00:44:12.120 into underage kids or something like that like no i don't do do i think that leaflet fans because

00:44:17.200 her character looks very she's very old in the lore but it looks young do i think the next thing

00:44:22.620 i guess that's how isn't that how like anime gets around it it's like well but she's like a 200

00:44:27.540 year old vampire girl so sometimes anime doesn't care about getting around it i'm gonna be honest

00:44:32.180 we all have our regional temptations you know it might be mormons and cucking and japanese and

00:44:38.640 underage and you know my region and i've talked about that before so if we're just gonna put

00:44:43.220 things next to each other in a line here i might say something like furry or anthro corn might lead

00:44:50.500 you to getting into the furry community if you are susceptible to temptations like that and then that

00:44:56.020 has a high probability of making you become trans which can have a lot of negative externalities on

00:45:01.180 your life so it can be put in a category that is strictly worse than say maybe non-furry content

00:45:07.680 Right. Or if you say something like PDA content, right, like L con content that we've been talking about here, it would be strictly worse than the anthro content because the end state that it might tempt you towards being a PDA is way worse.

00:45:26.000 But a lot of things in a drawn context might be morally equal to neutral corn outside of maybe it motivates reproduction less.

00:45:38.040 So let's say like fart content or you're into pregnant looking chicks or you're into breeding fantasies or you're into being demeaned by people.

00:45:50.780 all of these would be like there's just not that many negative externalities that can lead from

00:45:57.380 this stuff and while sex that is purely recreational but done with it being understood

00:46:04.660 that the person might get pregnant in a way where they might get pregnant and you will keep the baby

00:46:08.340 if they get pregnant now keep in mind it is really bad to have sex where a person might get pregnant 0.61

00:46:12.840 and you would never keep the baby or even question it that's extremely extremely bad but if we're 0.95

00:46:18.760 talking about sex whiz kinks involved purely for recreation worse than sex purely for reproduction 0.93

00:46:24.100 but probably better than any category of corn no matter how kinky it is unless it risks killing you 0.98

00:46:31.660 like certain types of choking or something like that right but when it comes to totally

00:46:36.340 fictionalized content where all of these fall in relation to something else so if i was going to

00:46:42.340 say somebody who had never gone extreme with their temptations and any other thing in the past where

00:46:46.920 I would put Elkon content with them, it would be at a dramatically lower level of immorality 0.58

00:46:52.000 than a prostitute. Or I'd even say then potentially OnlyFans because that's having an 0.93

00:46:59.360 impact on a real person's life. Whereas yours has the potential and likely very low potential given

00:47:05.620 your past possibility of impact of having another person's life. So it's important just to take all

00:47:11.400 of this in context with the negativity of something like this coming from the

00:47:17.080 multiplied probability of, in your case, what it has on somebody else.

00:47:22.620 And then that somebody else's negative context.

00:47:25.640 Finally here, I'd note categories that regardless of a person's susceptibility

00:47:31.120 to temptation, that almost never lead people to temptation.

00:47:35.080 An example here would be something like, oh, what falls into this category?

00:47:41.340 of a position i guess this is being aroused by putting eggs in someone as far as i'm aware of

00:47:47.860 no one has ever actually been seriously like done this in a criminal way or in a way that has made

00:47:55.000 somebody else infertile compared to something like putting hamsters in someone which apparently

00:48:01.220 has tempted a lot of people people are like oh that's not a real thing and then you can look up

00:48:05.440 like actual reports from hospitals of it happening and they're like well i mean i guess it happens

00:48:11.020 it's like bro if there's multiple hospital reports about this this is a real thing well anyway i think

00:48:16.660 we've we've given people a lot to think about and i hold on i'm gonna talk about a final one which

00:48:21.000 is murder murder equally bad wow so here if you believe and for people who say life begins at

00:48:31.100 conception i think they intuitively even if they believe this i don't know any of them who if told

00:48:38.500 there's a six-year-old child in this room and there's 10 just fertilized blastocysts in this

00:48:45.220 room in cold storage right you can either unplug the blastocysts in this room or unplug something

00:48:52.200 in this room that painlessly kills the six-year-old child i don't think any anybody any catholic is

00:48:57.960 going to choose the 10 blastocysts over the six-year-old child because i think we all

00:49:04.460 into it, even if those are 100% human lives, it's not the same thing as a six-year-old or a 10-year-old,

00:49:13.420 right? And we need to investigate morally, where does this intuition come from? And it's an

00:49:19.320 intuition that I think feels incredibly strong for people, right? One is, and I think the first

00:49:26.200 thing that people go is, is they're like, yeah, but realistically, for me to turn those six

00:49:32.120 blastocysts into a six-year-old kid with all of the emotions experiences connected lives that

00:49:37.700 that kid has and potentiality that kid has requires a willing woman right right now with

00:49:45.340 the technology we have now this is why i think we have a huge mandate to develop artificial 0.64

00:49:48.960 wounds but with the technology we have there is some intermittent step which makes the blastocysts

00:49:55.620 more morally equivalent to 10 people on life support who have a doctor's diagnosis of 10

00:50:05.900 days left to live. But if you spent a billion dollars, you might be able to save them or one

00:50:12.720 healthy six-year-old, right? I think that that's the moral equation that they're doing in their

00:50:18.100 heads. But now we have a moral equation here where we can say, oh, the life of somebody who's about

00:50:24.500 to die and on life support does not have the same value as the life of a healthy child right because

00:50:31.700 the potential future of that life without external intervention of a type that you cannot afford to

00:50:39.640 do yourself is significantly lower and now this leads us to the second thing which is this says

00:50:46.280 okay now you get to choose between lives the life of a six-year-old versus the life of a baby

00:50:54.100 versus the life of a 70 year old. Okay. Now, if anybody is, you know, you can, you can put $10

00:51:04.480 million down and save one of these lives and you don't have more money than that

00:51:07.700 or increase the probability of saving one of these lives. The moral intuition that comes out of this,

00:51:14.440 I actually think is quite different than what most people would assume. I think a lot of people

00:51:18.560 are going to assume, well, baby first, then six-year-old, then elderly person, if you're

00:51:24.420 just doing a straight utilitarian calculation. But the reality of moral intuition is I actually

00:51:30.100 think the calculation is very obvious in most people's minds. It's 10-year-old first, then baby,

00:51:37.480 then elderly person. And the question can be, why do you put the baby below the 10-year-old,

00:51:45.500 right and the answer is is because outside of the fact that it's a sickly baby i'm probably

00:51:52.060 gonna get sick again but there are a lot of things that could randomly end up ending that baby's life

00:51:58.240 and that makes it reliant on another person before it becomes that 10 year old ready to jump off and

00:52:04.040 make all of the potential impacts that they're about to make on the world that make the baby's

00:52:10.080 life like not not much worse to save i i'd say like two to three percent worse but some degree

00:52:17.180 less than the the also that the the 10 year old has an awareness of what's happening to them that

00:52:23.440 the baby doesn't have that i think makes it more horrifying their death but this is just my moral

00:52:29.300 intuition again you can take your moral intuitions differently and the people who want to say

00:52:33.180 everybody's life has the same value i mean i don't think god thinks that right like he killed random

00:52:38.660 babies all the time and like you know when he was killing the egyptians first born sons or

00:52:43.160 when he told us to kill all the amokites or the mena types or whether the few times when he told 0.96

00:52:48.360 us to kill everyone and even punish saul for not doing it so you can't say oh it was just the way 0.81

00:52:53.160 war was done at that time no that was an active decision on god any thoughts you have on the the 0.90

00:52:58.560 value of a life simone i i think i'm with you in looking at both viability and

00:53:08.260 potential impact because if you know like i think a lot of people

00:53:14.860 and i know it's different for everyone but what what our objective function is and you have to

00:53:21.340 consider your objective function when making a moral calculation our objective function is

00:53:25.020 maximizing long-term human flourishing and that involves

00:53:30.420 focusing on on on saving lives that aren't necessarily going to terminate early anyway

00:53:39.920 and involve a lot of suffering right that's that's not going to contribute as much as saving

00:53:44.520 a life that is more likely to live long and make the biggest impact i hear you this i think that

00:53:52.620 you also just don't like babies as much as i do so it's easier for you to say that it would i mean

00:53:58.380 indulgently you'd want to save the baby but i think like logically now this is where it gets

00:54:03.460 in terms of human individual lives is every individual life equally worth saving if it

00:54:09.820 costs the same amount of money i would note here in the context of the bible it was important to

00:54:14.660 teach people things because this was not a widely understood concept before the time of christianity

00:54:21.220 like don't discriminate against a poor person versus a rich person don't judge somebody solely

00:54:27.580 off of wealth but now society has moved too far in the opposite direction where we do not fully

00:54:34.480 grok that some people are doing more to see god's vision come to a reality or see what needs to

00:54:42.900 happen for humanity come to reality and other people may live lives that are purely parasitic

00:54:48.060 on the system and that we act blindly to this and that we need to begin to recognize that

00:54:57.080 while both of their lives may have dignity they are not equal in value in terms of if you can

00:55:05.320 only save one if you can only you know you in in some sort of broad vague sense they may be equal

00:55:13.120 in value but in terms of like practical i have to do something to save one they're very obviously

00:55:18.700 not because of the long-term effects they're going to have on other people's lives and and note here

00:55:23.440 this could be a person is super wealthy like the ceo of health care and their life is a negative

00:55:28.360 externality literally lower in value than somebody who is purely a parasite on the system or more

00:55:35.840 salient modern example bricks and minifigs ceo so this isn't like wealthy people's lives or more

00:55:41.180 values and less wealthy people's lives it's what you do is that life and here we'll say a random

00:55:47.600 unemployed somalian versus elon musk now did you know that now he's worth the next i think five

00:55:53.960 richest persons net worth combined yeah and like certain countries he's like worth more than them

00:56:01.120 isn't he like worth more than canada or something or like their gd i i can't remember but yeah it's

00:56:06.880 something insane but i mean so this this is something that even came up with covid right

00:56:11.380 because when vaccines were in short supply the question came like well what lives are we going

00:56:16.640 to save and the democratic establishment at the time like their white house at the time suggested

00:56:20.960 that it be given to those who've been racially disenfranchised basically given so it's clear that

00:56:26.120 people do make at first like i i keep trying to explain to our kids there's no such thing as fair

00:56:31.100 because you have to establish like well then what is what on what basis you know are you dividing a

00:56:36.240 resource and that depends on your values and people have different values and i think that's

00:56:39.960 the core thing is there is no universal like good or bad thing or worse or better sin it really it's

00:56:45.180 all based on how you orient toward your but this this is where when it comes to the value of a life

00:56:50.540 the value of elon's life is demonstrably more than the random somalian in this example right

00:56:56.300 the the reason i bring this up is his well that depends i mean for like people who who

00:57:01.780 devalue capitalists and who value non-capitalists right but i'm talking about what we think is

00:57:08.000 objectively true about reality that our goal in life any human's goal in life is to move humanity

00:57:15.080 forwards right to to move human flourishing whoa that's that's our goal but i don't get the

00:57:20.620 impression that's a universal goal right a lot of people's goals are very different this is about

00:57:25.380 what's religious yes okay yes yes for us so you can say for them whatever i don't care what they

00:57:30.600 yeah okay go in the blender i didn't know we were talking about just our view in our worldview and

00:57:36.380 i believe the worldview of the majority of our fans the perspective impact of elon going forwards

00:57:42.040 is enormous when you look at the things that he's accomplished for the human race so far

00:57:46.280 broke wokeism through the acquisition of x on top of what he's done for the environment with

00:57:53.420 tesla the way he's moved forward technology with tesla it's fake x that he's dedicated the

00:57:58.260 company's entire mission to a mars colony right they're like how cool is that and the positive

00:58:06.120 externality of a mars colony it means even if an asteroid does come that could kill all humanity

00:58:10.220 or we get a gray ghost scenario we get some sort of ai foaming scenario we get we have the backup

00:58:14.880 the backups matter people okay but you're going way off the rails going back to murder and i i did

00:58:23.080 one of our listeners at least one of our listeners pointed out like how do you reconcile

00:58:27.560 thou shalt not kill with the fact that there's a lot of killing in in the bible yeah yeah so how

00:58:35.140 do you personally does not translate to thou shalt not kill in the bible it translates to thou

00:58:39.420 shall not murder which in jewish law at the time was a very very specific type of premeditated

00:58:45.720 murder okay so tell me more like how do i know if i'm doing a bad for the old testament for the

00:58:54.080 10 commandments i mean in the old testament we see people killing people all the time on behalf

00:58:59.220 of god and basically if the person is an enemy of your people you have free range on them that's

00:59:04.940 that's the general and your people i think you know we can we can i i would say like any of the

00:59:10.820 saved people any of the people of god will fall into the our people category here but if they are

00:59:15.980 creating negative externalities for your people the bible's pretty carte blanche do what you want

00:59:21.660 not even what you want you you have a commandment to deal with the problem

00:59:25.080 multiple times throughout the bible huh yeah i i would love to learn more about this

00:59:32.920 specific definition of judaism like per judaism you say like what murder is in judaism the context

00:59:39.980 is what's good for the jewish people right and god was very okay with this context throughout

00:59:46.440 the old testament okay the idea that he doesn't want us to and i i think that this is the the

00:59:53.640 line that is twisted the most to translate it to thou shall not kill is just lying because that's

00:59:58.780 not what it says but i don't i this is the one thing i really get annoyed with with nux when he

01:00:03.940 goes over this all the time when we end up in a scenario where the other side is blatantly stealing

01:00:10.020 elections like let's suppose and your vote doesn't matter anymore and you have nowhere to run

01:00:16.100 anymore and now it's prima nocta on your daughters right you have a mandate to fight back

01:00:22.660 right especially when things get tyrannical like i would want our people to be one of the first

01:00:31.580 when things do go full nazi to actually fight back against that real nazi you know like taking

01:00:37.680 away our rights that we're seeing now right to live life the way you want to breed the way you

01:00:43.240 want to have children the way you want to engage with genetic technology the way you want i think

01:00:48.560 you know when these rights are infringed upon that i think are some of the most important rights that

01:00:51.820 any human can have the the lengths to which i think we are mandated to go is extreme insofar

01:00:59.560 as it doesn't bring down negative externalities on our community which is a pretty big and so

01:01:03.800 right because as soon as you make yourself an existential threat to another group

01:01:09.340 that group has a mandate themselves to of course take you out and that's i think a very important

01:01:14.500 calculation yeah and this is where all because leaflet wanted to talk about this you know on

01:01:19.800 an individual within the techno puritan phase has a mandate to stay armed with the highest degree

01:01:31.620 of lethality armament for your level of technology because you know you don't want to get stuck like 1.00

01:01:37.020 the Sikhs do as stupid knives, that is practical for your context. So for example, if you're on a 1.00

01:01:45.460 spaceship, you probably don't want something that's accidentally going to crack through the

01:01:50.060 hull of the spaceship, right? But you do still want something that is lethal. And this came from

01:01:56.180 the Sikh context, right? Like anybody who looks at techno-Pyritanism at this point can tell

01:01:59.440 this is a real religion, right? Like this is obviously like a sincerely held religion. And this

01:02:06.760 tracked explains our views on, you know, you should not, the reason we say don't just go out

01:02:13.580 and kill random negative externalities in society, that makes our community into a negative

01:02:17.720 externality for other communities that don't have these views. So that is where it makes sense to

01:02:21.960 not go out there and make a jerk of yourself. But clearly, these are our real religious views. 0.99

01:02:28.320 And so within any government system, I think they have to respect this if they're respecting it for

01:02:33.040 seeks and i've now explained logically why we have these views and why we believe we have a

01:02:38.320 mandate for self-protection because if you go into public without self-protection you are putting

01:02:43.300 yourself and your family at risk and so if you are over the age 18 you have a mandate for self-protection

01:02:50.380 at all times because it's up to you to not just protect yourself but all of the other people who

01:02:55.640 could be killed or had their lives removed in any sort of negative externality event like a live

01:03:01.680 shooter situation for example now you are a positive externally because you can end that

01:03:06.400 and note here this is not me telling you this for funsies if you take a literal interpretation of

01:03:12.780 the christian bible this is what we are commanded to do so if you look at something like luke 22 35

01:03:19.040 38 then jesus asked them when i sent you without purse bag or sandals did you lack for anything

01:03:25.760 nothing they answered he then said to them but now if you have a purse take it and also a bag

01:03:31.500 and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written, and he who was numbered

01:03:37.700 with the transgressors, and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, that is written

01:03:43.180 about me is reaching its fulfillment. The disciples said, see Lord, here are your two swords. That's

01:03:49.280 enough, he replied. So a few notes here. In the Greek, most modern interpretations take this to

01:03:54.220 mean that there were only two swords among all of the disciples. However, it doesn't exclusively

01:03:59.060 mean that in greek it could mean they all had two swords or he alone had two swords so what i take

01:04:05.360 this to mean is that you don't need to arm yourself with more than two lethal close range weapons and

01:04:12.760 the way that i would generally handle this speaking is that you need to be armed with at least one

01:04:17.460 because he does say you you need a sword more than the cloak on your back right and that for the

01:04:22.440 other i would use something that is faster disabling like a taser or something like that

01:04:26.460 because that falls into within the category of him back then they wouldn't have had something

01:04:30.640 like that so the idea is first you arm yourself with something lethal then you arm yourself with

01:04:35.640 something quick and this is if you are taking what we are going to call the oath of preservation

01:04:41.460 which is to say that you take responsibility of your own life to yourself and if you allow

01:04:46.660 yourself to die because you went out in public and you were killed by somebody who you should

01:04:50.740 have been able to defend yourself against but you weren't because you did not take the oath of

01:04:54.620 preservation, that's your responsibility. Morally speaking, that rests on your soul, morally

01:05:00.240 speaking. In the same way an unaliving is, in the same way self-harm is, in the same way

01:05:04.960 a skydiving accident is, which we consider quite sinful. And I want to really focus on the words

01:05:10.820 here so we can understand what Jesus is saying in this context. He's basically saying when we were

01:05:16.380 doing our preaching, when I was doing my preaching with you guys, we were doing it in a pacifistic

01:05:20.940 way and in a way that was monastic you know where you don't have a coin purse etc he's like and now

01:05:27.280 that we're moving into the next era you know after my death which this is one of the last teachings

01:05:31.880 he gave us after my death it will not be monastic you are demanded to not go into the monastic

01:05:39.000 lifestyle to go out there to be industrious to have the coin purse and secondarily to be armed

01:05:46.140 and to expect persecution and thus be armed so even if you're looking at the the swords in this

01:05:53.880 context and you do think oh it meant two swords for the entire group he's still not even talking

01:05:58.380 about this context he's talking about the context where after he's dead where everyone is expected

01:06:02.120 to always be armed at all times and note here some people will then say didn't jesus say something

01:06:07.800 like live by the sword die by the sword as an abomination of armed conflict and if you here

01:06:13.640 would then say something like well what about you know when Jesus says in Matthew when one of his

01:06:20.380 companions takes a sword and chops the ear off of somebody who's trying to arrest Jesus for all of

01:06:26.200 those who draw the sword will die by the sword do you not think you can call on my father and he

01:06:31.400 will put at disposal more than 12 legions of angels but how then would the scriptures be

01:06:36.380 fulfilled that say it must happen in this way so note here he's not saying broadly he's very

01:06:42.880 explicitly not saying in a general context all who live by the sword die by the sword he's saying

01:06:47.420 all who live by the sword in opposition to god's plan and right now he's saying it is god's plan

01:06:52.120 that i am supposed to die in just the near future and you you also see this because the same scene

01:06:58.240 is recorded in john 18 10 put your sword away shall i not drink the cup the father has given me

01:07:03.880 so the reason he says to not use the sword in this context is because he is trying to fulfill

01:07:10.940 a prophecy here and he's beginning to interfere with the prophecy so his previous commandment

01:07:16.320 which one of his last that you are supposed to be armed at all times and if you don't have a sword

01:07:20.920 you should have and keep in mind sword in context changes in modern context we are all not just

01:07:25.880 techno puritans all christians supposed to always be armed because we have responsibility for our

01:07:31.400 lives and the lives of those around us and note here this this is not a particularly weird thing

01:07:35.860 for Jews in this time period. Almost all Jews were armed most of the time. This is why when

01:07:41.800 they were like, here are two swords, Jesus, is that enough? I don't think they meant for all of

01:07:46.700 them together, as that would have been an absurdly low number of swords for Jews to have during that 0.92

01:07:51.100 time period. It seems much more likely they mean, is two swords enough now that you're telling me 1.00

01:07:56.420 that I need swords? That, in context, appears a much more likely, even if it's not what the

01:08:02.760 mainstream Christian denominations want you to understand, uh, and we'll fight against

01:08:07.440 interpretation of what's being said here in a literalist context. So here you can see something

01:08:12.600 like Nehemiah 4, 16 to 18. The officers posted themselves behind all the people of Judea who

01:08:18.400 were building the wall. Those who carried materials did their work with one hand and held a weapon in

01:08:23.160 the other. And each of the builders wore his sword on the side as he worked. Nehemiah 4, 14.

01:08:28.260 don't be afraid of them remember the lord who is great and awesome and fight for your brothers and

01:08:33.500 sons and daughters your wives your home basically talking about armings oneself being a duty within

01:08:38.440 the community and it being normal within the community in samuel 25 13 david said to his men

01:08:44.340 each of you strap on your sword so each of them strapped on his sword and david strapped on his

01:08:48.560 well implying that all the men had swords ready to strap on in songs 14 4 through 1 praise be to

01:08:56.380 the lord my rock who trains my hands for war my fingers for battle again showing that the lord

01:09:03.120 does want war he does want battle that is part of what is expected of us when we are faced with evil

01:09:09.740 i also have nehemiah 4 13 they stationed arms by families with swords and spears and bows

01:09:16.120 we have psalms 14 41 praise be to the lord my rock who trains my hands for war my fingers for battle

01:09:22.820 basically it's all over the bible wherever you look at the old testament people are expected to

01:09:28.860 fight for their own people so officially how does this work was in techno puritanism

01:09:33.980 there are two potential oaths that you can take the oath of self-preservation which is taking

01:09:39.420 responsibility for your life and the lives of those around you and the secondary oath of self

01:09:45.080 preservation which is a more maximal form of this once you have taken one of these oaths

01:09:49.480 Going forwards, you are expected to undergo what is mandated by that oath.

01:09:54.780 After the first oath of self-preservation, in any context where you might encounter somebody who is also armed with a lethal weapon,

01:10:03.600 it is upon you or your responsibility to also be armed with a lethal weapon.

01:10:09.920 This means that if, in a context like, say, a plane flight or something like that, 0.93

01:10:15.040 actually there is no chance that even a Sikh is going to be on that plane with a lethal weapon, 0.99

01:10:18.140 you don't have to have a lethal weapon but if you're just like walking around town absolutely 1.00

01:10:22.460 you have to have a lethal weapon on you so it has one small caveat which is if one of the types of

01:10:29.220 places where no one can have a lethal weapon is in your way of a secondary location where some

01:10:34.220 people might have a lethal weapon but you will be in for a short period of time you are not mandated

01:10:38.060 to have a lethal weapon so this would mean if you have taken the oath of preservation and you are

01:10:43.100 going on a vacation somewhere, you don't need to then buy a sword when you get to that location

01:10:48.840 if you were not able to carry yours in your luggage, right? So this is the first oath of

01:10:54.600 preservation. The secondary oath of preservation is to take this more maximally because, frankly,

01:11:01.700 just a lethal weapon, which implies generally a short-range weapon, is not going to be everything

01:11:07.200 you need to protect yourself from most of the dangers of this world. And so the secondary oath

01:11:12.840 of self-preservation is more maximalist and says well the first one says you can have up to two

01:11:19.120 the second one says you are mandated to have a short-range lethal or disabling weapon and a

01:11:26.440 long-range lethal weapon with the long-range one being lethal so this would mandate both

01:11:32.240 something short-range and something long-range and generally you would take the first oath

01:11:37.360 about six months to a year before you take the second oath while it is generally advised that

01:11:45.400 most techno puritans take the first oath at around the age of 18 going forwards it is not a mandate

01:11:52.220 to be a follower of our religion and it is not advised if you are in an environment where it may

01:11:56.860 prevent you from doing business or advocating the interests of our people more broadly because it

01:12:02.880 could within certain cultural contexts and the secondary oath is only for people who want to

01:12:08.940 maximally dedicate themselves to this and requires regular training in whatever that long-range weapon

01:12:15.100 is final note on this oath is and you are responsible for recognizing this in yourself

01:12:21.060 or having this imposed on you by your community but if you ever reach a state of mind where you

01:12:28.360 are now a danger to those around you or you are too aggressive in the way you might use something

01:12:35.560 like this it is a moral necessity for you to either for that period not be armed or period

01:12:45.040 period not be armed for the rest of your life so if you have something like dementia you would not

01:12:49.660 be armed during that period if you are drinking heavily you would have a mandate to not be armed

01:12:55.300 during that period or on any sort of mind-altering chemical and never as a techno puritan broadly

01:13:01.440 speaking never do like a mass shooting or something like that there is just no point to it

01:13:06.660 it doesn't achieve there are ways that lethality can be handled that do not hurt innocent individuals

01:13:14.180 yeah basically we just expect you to be dramatically more cunning as a techno puritan

01:13:19.080 than the type of people who would do something so witless you know if you want to mass effect action

01:13:24.940 use a gene drive or something like that yeah and this means to be demonstrably sure of the guilt

01:13:32.360 of an individual even in scenarios like say somebody is out there saying you know my group

01:13:40.380 needs to go out and murder people like they're even if they're not doing it themselves they're

01:13:44.000 up preaching this every day like murder innocent people great children something like this is 0.99

01:13:49.740 being preached do you have a moral license to do something about this absolutely within this faith

01:13:55.520 system but but this is only if what they are preaching is manifold worse and being acted

01:14:03.900 upon by people they're like a crazy person on the street that doesn't matter if you're in an

01:14:08.100 environment where people are being killed regularly i think that we have a moral mandate to intervene

01:14:12.780 in this so yeah that's a a broader understanding of of morality sinfulness where to engage with

01:14:21.420 stuff the final thing i wanted to note here which comes downstream of one of the questions somebody

01:14:26.020 had on the the stream about like the actual ruling in this on techno puritanism if you're a follower

01:14:30.900 is what is the ruling on techno puritanism around if you feel that you are able to develop more

01:14:41.060 emotional control longstream by emotionally venting in the short term. Now, first I would

01:14:46.100 note here, I think the research demonstrably shows that you lose self-control the more you

01:14:51.400 indulge in it. If you feel that you have a better ability to deal with your grief by crying and

01:14:57.300 letting it out, and this is something that you've experienced and you know yourself, sure, but know

01:15:02.640 you're in dangerous territory if you're doing that. Because for most of us, what happens is

01:15:09.240 the things that make us sad in life are the things where like, I didn't really feel that sad when my

01:15:13.700 mom died because I knew I had done everything I could to be a good son to her and to give her a

01:15:17.820 good life within reason throughout her entire life. I'd always been there for her. And so I was like,

01:15:22.680 I don't really have any regrets on any interaction I've had with her. I have regrets that she won't

01:15:27.100 be able to see my kids, but like, that's not something that I have control over. So there's

01:15:31.600 no reason to feel sad about this, but there have been times when I have done things that I feel

01:15:37.980 deep regret about. And there is this emotion that you feel like if you feel grief in that moment,

01:15:43.520 if you cry, if you blame yourself, if you hit something, the responsibility, your self

01:15:50.020 responsibility, your anger at yourself can deservedly be lesser. And I think we all sort

01:15:56.000 of feel this voice in our heads. And what I'm talking about is not giving into that voice

01:16:01.600 because that voice is lying to you. It doesn't lower your culpability. Instead, what you

01:16:07.880 should do is instead of giving into that voice saying, no, I need to learn from this. Okay. I

01:16:13.540 wasn't there for my mom as much as I needed to be. Is my dad still alive? Is anyone else in my

01:16:18.740 life still alive? Are my family members that are estranged still alive that I should reconnect with?

01:16:23.840 It should flip a switch for you in regards to all of that. The final thing is I'll note that

01:16:30.360 this entire ethical subset that we've discussed here also applies to interpersonal relationships.

01:16:36.000 if an interpersonal relationship is purely masturbatory you get nothing from it it doesn't

01:16:40.540 enrich you it doesn't help you understand the world better like when i talk with leaflet i

01:16:45.780 often come away with entirely new framings of society so true great one she gave that i'm

01:16:52.980 gonna put in the tract here because it's gotta go on a tract somewhere is i was talking about

01:16:56.640 as humans genetically engineers themselves we're likely going to see different groups with

01:17:01.080 different preferences begin to look very differently where you might see techno puritans

01:17:05.180 end up looking like space marines one day right like giant super intelligent super you know two 0.81

01:17:12.080 hearts everything like that type figures you might see another group like let's say jews 0.75

01:17:16.960 spec into like a high agility build and no this isn't a commandment for techno puritanisms you

01:17:21.880 guys need to find out what works what's what's the correct build to spec into spec into an agility

01:17:26.840 build you know they become the cat people of the far future or something like this

01:17:30.200 and i was talking about how this makes diversity even more valuable when you have a real groups

01:17:35.840 with differential strengths and what leaflet said is she goes look if this is confusing to you think

01:17:43.020 about this you're putting together your space boarding party this is like you know your crew

01:17:47.740 for a spaceship this is like you putting together your adventuring guild right you you want you know

01:17:53.440 yeah you're orkin warrior and you're you know dwarven workshop guy and you're elven mage

01:17:59.960 and you're you know you you want all of the different builds in there right that is how 0.98

01:18:06.700 you build the best party you would be stupid to make your entire party you know human or dwarf 0.81

01:18:13.060 or you you can do it for some sort of novelty reason but we genuinely benefit from working 0.97

01:18:19.080 alongside other groups even if the dwarves and the elves sometimes screw each other over a party's

01:18:25.820 still better off having a dwarf and an elf in it and i think that that's an important thing to think

01:18:30.680 about but the reason i was saying that this matters with friendships is i think we all know that there

01:18:35.320 are friendships that we engage in in our lives or relationships we engage in that do nothing but

01:18:40.240 drain from us those are directly sinful to have and if you're afraid that you're a bad person for

01:18:45.880 abandoning this person because oh well if you weren't there for them who would be if you don't

01:18:50.740 have a moral mandate to that individual like they're a parent of yours or something and even

01:18:55.020 then this is tentative of very are draining resources that could otherwise be going to the

01:18:58.920 next generation cut them off this also goes for parents a parent who is draining resources that

01:19:03.700 should be going to the next generation and isn't contributing cut them off because the next

01:19:07.940 generation the younger generation matters more than the older generation and and cut them off

01:19:12.040 in me and pull the plug and this is also true of ourselves if we ever become drains to our families

01:19:17.860 yeah we hold to that anyway if you're gonna be like oh god says all life has value then why

01:19:26.220 did he tell people to randomly kill people sometimes why did he tell you to why did he

01:19:30.600 punish Saul it's because that's clearly not what god wants god wants what's best for society that's

01:19:35.220 why he has guided and the groups that have followed him have always lived in the most flourishing of

01:19:40.420 societies the most prosperous of societies because that's the downstream effect that's

01:19:45.040 why all the sins that we get as christians generally make your life better but they

01:19:49.940 need to also generally make society better and so we're extrapolating from that anyway thoughts

01:19:54.060 simone i probably yes yeah and i think it's important also also to note that a lot of the

01:20:05.700 more less sinful things you've pointed out would be seen as a very simple thing to do

01:20:13.620 per today's standards and just going with what feels socially comfortable is not necessarily

01:20:18.920 yeah um and note here when it comes to weapons you also have a duty to secure them a religious

01:20:26.280 duty to secure them because an unsecured weapon can end a child's life at any moment yeah well

01:20:30.580 that's most gun deaths in america right it's tragic so yeah any any weapon even if you hate

01:20:37.300 our religion if you want the right to carry a weapon techno puritanism is the way to go

01:20:41.940 and note in terms of what the weapons look like you can go in generally a few directions for the

01:20:48.580 traditional weapons uh one is to go with something that represents your ancestral group or that has

01:20:55.540 ancestral ties to the technopuritan tradition since we personally take a lot from our own

01:21:00.900 scottish ancestry and we lean a lot into roman ancestry that could be a dirk or a gladius

01:21:06.860 or something that is inconspicuous if you think that that is the most efficient

01:21:11.620 like a belt buckle knife or something like that it really depends on one your own heritage and

01:21:19.380 identity and how you wish to honor that and two what works within your existing social context

01:21:25.700 uh with the understanding also always being that if everyone else is banned from having a weapon

01:21:31.300 then there's no risk of you being killed in that situation or needing to protect someone so you

01:21:36.240 also don't need a weapon but if any other religious group is allowed a weapon because

01:21:40.620 jesus told us that we have to do this um and i know a lot of other christian groups and denominations

01:21:46.980 have pussied out of this in one way or another, but we are not them. And more is expected of us

01:21:51.680 in terms of protecting ourselves and our communities than most of them expect for

01:21:55.820 themselves. Most of them live incredibly indolent, self-centered, and efficacious-less lives.

01:22:01.920 Why should we part our moral standards to theirs? There you go. Love it. All right, well,

01:22:08.620 I will go start your dinner, and I love you very much. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

01:22:13.160 good tract i think yeah interesting stuff and i yeah sins are under the past

01:22:19.640 so i'm about going back into them yeah love you bye

01:22:24.460 we are here we are back it is happening people people like the medieval shirt on the leaflet

01:22:47.600 call so i decided it was okay to wear it on our it's good it's good it's stuff that really

01:22:52.060 signals bdsm is leather straps that's what i was afraid of leather straps that's why we can't buy

01:22:56.960 anything with leather straps yeah instead of medieval because what i'm going for is ren fair

01:23:01.720 man because everybody says i make my wife dress like she's from the past so why don't i dress like

01:23:06.480 i'm from the past and i go i don't make my wife dress that way but you know it shows this outfit

01:23:11.200 this is not like something you made me i was like i showed up one day wearing this stuff and

01:23:16.160 welcome's like well okay okay i guess this is what we're doing

01:23:20.740 all right what are we doing for dinner tonight by the way i'm gonna make some kind of pasta dish

01:23:29.740 for the kids it might be macaroni and cheese it might not is it gonna have like a meat sauce or

01:23:34.160 what type of sauce i probably a macaroni and cheese sauce or possibly just parmesan cheese

01:23:42.620 i i don't know yet it sort of depends on what the kids want i'm okay with mac and cheese tonight

01:23:46.060 if you're doing that yeah it suits their their cheesy fancy it might suit your cheesy fancy too

01:23:52.640 oh no i can do a reheated potato tonight yeah you can with do a reheated potato with cheese

01:23:58.160 okay cheese like cheddar right yeah yeah and then some of those meat patty things

01:24:04.620 the pork ones or whatever they're called i don't know okay pork boncha they're really good they go

01:24:12.380 really well with cheesy baked potato i'll tell you what that makes a lot of sense with some pepper

01:24:17.420 on it yeah and this time i'm going to try to make wet slices and just air fry them and see what

01:24:22.340 happens let's try it what could possibly be better because it's going to get crispier when you air

01:24:27.940 fry it in theory we don't know it's an already baked potato potatoes are very strange um in like

01:24:38.400 the starch doing things that I don't understand. I don't know potato science. I'm not a potato

01:24:43.720 scientist. Okay. Let's unpack everything right here, okay? All right. Yeah, now let's get this

01:24:52.420 mask out right here and get this out right here. You can't wait to start using them, huh?

Based Camp - June 22, 2026

Sins Aren’t Equal： Ranking Activities’ Sinfulness (Erotic and Otherwise)

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