00:00:00.000Hello, Simone! I'm excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to have an interesting conversation around ranking the severity of various modern sins so that we can understand which ones are worse for an individual in terms of, well, just broad effects they have on your life.
00:00:21.300Like, as I pointed out in other episodes, sins are basically a list of things, you know, like, don't cheat on your wife, don't be mean to people, don't murder people, like, listen to your parents, stuff that's just gonna F up your life if you don't follow it in a general format.
00:00:37.920It's like a big list of don't piss on the electric fence. And then some humans are just like, but if I just goon all day, every day, that'll feel fantastic, right?
00:00:47.340and it's like no it won't maybe for like a half a day you get to year two of that and you're living
00:00:54.860the life of anna valen see our episode on what happened to her life right like going through
00:00:59.900her private diaries in our life of the cinnabite episode you were an interesting study lust greed
00:01:05.540deception fertile ground but rather mundane doors to the pleasures of heaven or hell i didn't care
00:01:12.600which i thought i'd gone to the limits i hadn't the cenobites gave me an experience beyond the
00:01:18.640limits pain and pleasure indivisible it is not happiness at the end of the haydenism maxing
00:01:31.000tunnel as i often point out if you look at the people in our society who have access to
00:01:35.820everything they could possibly want your movie star your music star when they indulge in that
00:01:42.780when they indulge in the you know endless chain of of women and drugs and everything like that
00:01:47.640they often crash out as some of the least happy and satisfied humans alive whereas people who
00:01:55.520often do not have much and i'm sure many of you you know these individuals pious individuals who
00:02:00.520just work to give back to the community they're often some of the most fulfilled people you will
00:02:05.960ever meet and so this is this is paid off to us but whatever religious teaching you're using and
00:02:21.820i'm going to try to keep this while this is one of the track series i'm going to try to keep it
00:02:25.100useful to not just christians or orthodox jews or anyone but just broadly anyone because the the set
00:02:32.500of laws that like christians follow seems to generally be useful for other people as well0.89
00:02:38.660that's why they seem to perfectly overly with like the no-hide laws when jews are like well i just want
00:02:43.080everyone to follow the no-hide laws and it's like all observant christians already follow all of
00:02:47.460those like why are you making this a separate thing it's just good rules for life and being
00:02:51.700a member of a community but we're going to start because where this came up was in a fan call which
00:02:58.500we have for our paid fans who get our extra weekend episodes if you don't know about that that's a
00:03:02.420thing and they somebody was talking about the relative sinfulness of video games right and
00:03:10.060we'll be using the romans quotas in here which is like anything you don't do for god is sin basically
00:03:14.000anything you don't do that you can't be like this is something i am doing for whatever for god means
00:03:19.640you like for goodness to to to promote humanity's uh you know moving forwards whatever you want to
00:03:24.840you talk it's it's it's something that's an object to that purely selfish action right
00:03:30.540um and they were like video games is a very very expedient sin like of of the various sinful
00:03:38.380things you can do and and to give an example of what i mean for this let's contrast two things
00:03:42.980okay here let's contrast the relative sinfulness of video games versus watching sports right like
00:03:53.640both of these things are things you're fundamentally doing for yourself for your own
00:03:57.080self-gratification but they have different impacts or potential impacts on your life
00:04:02.820now obviously you can engage with either too much in a way that just completely destroys your life
00:04:09.260we all know the person who crashed out on warhammer for five years and then came out of a
00:04:13.540hole one day and was like world of warcraft not warhammer yeah war world of warcraft world of
00:04:17.720warcraft that was like a thing that if you lived through that a bunch of us nerds in a college
00:04:22.860dorm like in a certain period of time there was at least one kid yeah oh and and here i'll add
00:04:29.680another one here magic the gathering card collecting or oh no no well let's just say
00:04:34.600yeah card collecting more general so like non-playable card collecting now we'll use
00:04:40.120magic together because it allows us to talk about a variety of things together if you are really
00:04:44.680into let's say a sports and so you have to you want to watch the games the moment they come out
00:04:51.300now that already makes it relatively more bad than a video game that you can play at any time
00:04:58.680day or night right because now you're having to even if you're spending the same amount of time
00:05:04.400on it, that time is not variable and therefore is going to be more intrusive on your ability
00:05:12.020to do things that are actually like a net benefit for society or God or whatever, right?
00:05:18.160Like you're, you're, you're going to have to maybe not go to the thing with your kids
00:05:23.720or not go to the things that you can slot in at any time, day or night.
00:05:28.740The flexibility of a sin is really important to that.
00:05:31.960it then you have the cost the relative cost this is where something like trading cards can get
00:05:36.520really big because the relative cost of entertainment hour per dollar spend is of of
00:05:43.860just about anything you can be into i think the lowest on video games now this is assuming that
00:05:51.020you are into single player video games rather than either loot box type games which can be
00:05:57.840incorporated in single player video games if you are susceptible to loot boxes now note not everyone
00:06:02.940is susceptible to loot boxes some people can play a game with loot boxes forever and never spend on
00:06:08.480them i think that this is something that you have to ask yourself and and from your own historic
00:06:13.280behavior if you know you are susceptible to loot boxes don't don't engage with them right like
00:06:21.080don't engage with any game that has them and i'm sorry if that's like taking things out for you
00:06:26.280but one of the most dangerous you know of all the various things we're warned not to do gambling
00:06:31.440is i think one of the most dangerous and the reason why gambling is i i put gambling above
00:06:39.720something like heroin oh yeah it's just so quickly and easily ruinous yeah it's
00:06:47.840while heroin can kill you in a day it's much less likely to like even even if it does kill you like
00:06:55.560your assets are still inherited by other people right like when gambling ruins your life it
00:07:02.900typically one it could ruin multi-generations of life savings just like that but two the people
00:07:10.760who have an issue is it often borrow against other people when they do it and the happiness
00:07:16.900you get from it doesn't feel very long-term satisfying it's like not a good like this is
00:07:22.940the other thing i'll keep into account when we're like rating sins is how good is the happiness you
00:07:28.200get out of it the happiness that you get out of gambling is incredibly low-grade superficial
00:07:36.540most basal of hungers there isn't any sort of deep satisfaction like you may get out of beating a
00:07:43.720really hard video game or something like that right and so that's where keep in mind is the
00:07:50.300pastime that like when you're judging the potential sin of a pastime what other sins come attached to
00:07:56.760this pastime so if you look at something like being into sports gambling is very commonly
00:08:02.720attached to being into sports oh so what what what is also the constellation of related things that
00:08:08.780you might get into right so like this is when it comes to something like if you really like going
00:08:12.820like clubbing the odds of you getting a drug habit non-trivial right yeah yeah explode which
00:08:19.300just like we're like developing alcohol this is why we would even if it's the same amount of time
00:08:25.280even if it's the same amount of cost to both go to a bar or go to a nightclub the nightclub has
00:08:32.980a much higher probability of leading to an escalatory cycle that is going to do more
00:08:39.520deleterious impact to your life yeah gosh but also but by the way so an interesting i find this
00:08:46.660to be an interesting like broader conversation here something that that's not often thought
00:08:51.700about but the moment you begin to frame things like this you can be like oh this is a good way
00:08:55.780for me to think through also like whether you want to engage with something to begin with you're also
00:09:00.240looking at like uniquely male habits too i think that yeah let's elevate travel could be one of
00:09:06.680them for women plastic surgery is one of them for women what was the first one you said for
00:09:10.460travel plastic surgery and shopping travel plastic surgery and shopping absolutely because plastic0.97
00:09:15.660surgery is an incredibly for many women addictive thing and it is an endless money hole also like0.99
00:09:22.860you get to a point where after you have a certain number of procedures done you have to keep doing0.99
00:09:27.480more procedures to either fix or maintain procedures and that is incredibly expensive
00:09:33.260plus you just start to look terrible so that's not good and if we're putting out any sort of
00:09:38.140teachings around jewelry i would strongly suggest that individuals treat jewelry the way i did with
00:09:44.260my wife, which basically when you get married, you ask her and you lay out, what is all of the
00:09:50.040jewelry you want in your life? You know, be greedy. If you had the maximum look, what does0.87
00:09:56.660that look look like? It is X mini pearl necklaces. It's X mini earrings of these various sizes and
00:10:03.600styles. It's X mini rings. You create that list for all of the variable ways you could piece
00:10:08.840together jewelry and you say okay now with this list this is where like i'm gonna be getting you
00:10:14.820presents from this list for x many years and when we get to the end of this list that's it no more
00:10:20.380jewelry right like this is all of the jewelry you could ever imagine yourself wanting yeah like
00:10:26.240you can't develop a like i'm a jewelry collector like that that is an incredibly sinful hobby
00:10:32.480right because that is an endless money you're just spending money on more jewelry for the
00:10:37.340emotional state you get when you spend the money on jewelry and we say this because we we know
00:10:42.160people who've had this habit who literally have for their retirement owned like a condo that they
00:10:48.760it was supposed to be part of their retirement portfolio and they sold it to buy jewelry
00:10:52.800like this is so you know we talk about men's gambling addictions a lot I think
00:10:58.000yeah I don't think we talk enough about some problems that women have I'm not really sure
00:11:04.080why maybe it's it's well i think that society changed you more because oh how dare you put
00:11:08.600rules on women but let's let's do it let's go through like i think that the same thing that
00:11:13.040goes with jewelry can go with travel right like yeah luxury and luxury travel is an endless like
00:11:18.000just one business class flight can send you back well sorry the last time i tried to look at
00:11:22.240business class flights just because i was curious was well before oil went crazy with the iran war
00:11:27.560this is like maybe two years ago and like one flight across an ocean was twenty thousand dollars
00:11:32.120for one person a good way to handle travel right because it is an endless money pit as you say
00:11:35.940yeah if you are the type of person who goes on the same vacation every year assuming that's not
00:11:43.000like a drive from your house or something like that right there's likely no point to that you
00:11:47.860are not picking up any new additional information on trip number 10 to hawaii that you didn't get
00:11:54.420on trip number one to hawaii you're not getting any new perspective you're not getting any new
00:11:58.520this is purely a hedonistic thing to do in an extremely expensive hedonistic i mean i think
00:12:03.640there's there's something to be said for cultural family traditions like some families like every
00:12:09.260year will all gather at this one place and that's well and as i was saying the important thing about
00:12:13.900cultural family traditions is that they are not pointlessly orders of magnitude more expensive
00:12:22.740than an equivalent tradition the family could do so by this what i mean is our family could
00:12:29.420every year go to hawaii or we could every year go to a lake house airbnb a couple hours from here
00:12:37.240or we could every year go to the jersey shore and rent a place or even buy a place and have it
00:12:43.960there right as an as an asset if we make the active decision to do the thing like marginally
00:12:51.700how much better is Hawaii than the Jersey shore yet it costs orders of magnitude more
00:12:59.340yeah yeah that's fair yeah and even just like food in Hawaii costs so much more that it's you
00:13:06.460have yeah and if you're like oh the Jersey shore is gross okay drive a bit further to Connecticut
00:13:11.040I think Connecticut is strictly better than Hawaii like the ocean oh my gosh yeah hands down
00:13:16.500yeah or Rhode Island I mean if you want to be fancy you know you could do the Hamptons you
00:13:20.900could do well not the hamdus because that's ridiculous that's hawaii level but maybe like
00:13:24.620martha's vineyard or cape cod or something cape cod's great you can go camping in cape cod yeah
00:13:29.040yeah and this is what i'm talking about when i'm talking about like i do think that people need
00:13:33.880some degree of hedonism you know the the family traditions you have the things that you do to
00:13:41.060entertain yourself i think if you remove all of those while some people can live that way
00:13:44.540i think simone essentially lives that way i do not think everyone can live that way and still
00:13:49.280be an efficient human being. I know I personally can't. And so I do engage with things like video
00:13:55.980games, but when it comes to something like gambling, it falls into that category. When
00:14:00.640we were listing out like really big sins, the trying something just to see if you like it,
00:14:06.260gambling is probably the biggest red flag. Oh my gosh. Yeah. No reason you need to know if you
00:14:10.900like gambling. That's so true. Yeah. It's like, Hey, I should try this extremely addictive
00:14:18.380narcotic let's see if how it goes maybe you'll like it do you think you'll like it well and when
00:14:24.160you know you do have a problem with something and this is where i you know other people know i take
00:14:28.980naltrexone which is an opioid agonist which is just fantastic for helping curb the types of
00:14:33.700addictive impulses that you may have whether it's alcohol or masturbation or anything like this
00:14:38.440right like the place that had the biggest impact on my life that i didn't expect was checking the
00:14:43.000news every morning when i first wrote hookup and then checking my facebook feed and checking the
00:14:47.240latest comics and checking the that behavior just went away after i started taking it and a lot of
00:14:52.140people can say well you shouldn't be removing the sins from yourself like the temptation from the
00:14:56.960sins and i'm like bro like jesus was literally the guy who was like if your eye leads you to sin tear
00:15:01.840it out like if your arm leads you to sin cut it off like he obviously didn't mean exactly that in
00:15:06.940context but if you're going with the vibe of the message trexton would fit perfectly in this now
00:15:12.860obviously this doesn't work for catholics because catholics know that the church actually had to
00:15:16.200once rule on priests who were castrating themselves to not be tempted by sin and the church ruled
00:15:22.080against doing that which seems very weird to me in the line with you know the bible's teaching but
00:15:27.060whatever right you know yeah the point here being you don't need to expose yourself to something
00:15:31.500like we have the technology and as technology advances i think one of the areas i want to
00:15:35.520see it advance the most is on the mitigation of sinful impulses like imagine a society where
00:15:42.320people don't feel these impulses to the same degree anymore. You know, you literally cut out
00:15:47.680the eyes, right, of society moving forwards. And we're beginning to see that with stuff like
00:15:52.320Ozempic, right? Like, is Ozempic not a category there that we're seeing? And this is where
00:15:57.960something like gluttony can be extra bad, because when we're looking at sins, another thing we need
00:16:03.420to keep in mind in sort of the grand ranking of sins is the probability that it's going to kill
00:16:09.140you because that has enormous externalities on everyone that's counting on you and your ability
00:16:15.440to do anything in the future right yeah and anything that falls into the category of actively
00:16:20.380leading to your death which can happen in two categories one can be something like gluttony
00:16:26.960another can be where it's like just literally unhealthy or something like orgies right where
00:16:31.900you may get diseases and stuff like that yeah or like before i met malcolm i liked base jumping i
00:16:37.080liked i'm gonna put that in the second category oh so these are things that are just actively
00:16:41.340unhealthful then there's things that come with a risk of severe injury or death oh okay so there's
00:16:47.260sort of the chronic bad health which i would also include like habits of just staying up incredibly
00:16:51.520late not getting enough sleep that's really bad for you yes because you're trying to push me to
00:16:55.600work yeah malcolm no but i i agree with that you can be indulgent in your work and i need to be
00:17:01.840aware of that yeah you're sitting you are sitting dying yes which it could really at this point when
00:17:06.440you look at how much i work yeah hey but look at how much rfab has improved go to go to sleep
00:17:12.560please oh anyway go on gluttony where was i where were they going was with gluttony there's the two
00:17:19.540categories there's the one but there's a category of the risk of death or severe injury and this
00:17:24.580really matters when it comes to like suppose you're in school and you're choosing your sport
00:17:28.600something that you should be very aware of in that choice is what is the chance that this could give
00:17:35.500you a life-changing injury so if you're considering between extremely high injury sports like say
00:17:43.440crew or cheerleaders crew has incredibly high because you can catch crowds which basically
00:17:49.740means your your row hits the water at the wrong moment vis-a-vis everyone else moving forwards
00:17:55.780so the forwards motion of your boat catches your or and throws it into your face
00:18:00.260with all of the momentum of everyone on the boat and the speed of the boat god i didn't know that
00:18:08.440that's horrible yeah yeah easy to become paralyzed and stuff like that dude okay guys if you want to
00:18:15.760do just do outrigger canoe racing really fun and yeah outrigger canoe racing really great if you
00:18:21.540like crew but you don't want to die outrigger canoe racing i mean your boat might flip because
00:18:27.700and this is what we're talking about here with any of these there are variable things where you
00:18:32.560could get an equal amount of pleasure or whatever satisfaction you're getting yeah don't come with
00:18:38.100the same negative externalities and in the categories of sins actively choosing not to
00:18:45.260look this stuff up falls in the same category you should you should before you sign up for
00:18:52.180an extracurricular look up the risk of death or serious injury from that extracurricular yeah for
00:18:58.980real like in high school i was on an outrigger canoe racing team and then i looked at joining
00:19:04.300crew in college at no point did i have any idea because i almost joined gw's crew team
00:19:10.000i didn't know that could happen the only reason i backed out was i was like oh i will have no life
00:19:15.340if i join this team because it's so well and that's the other thing is how much of your life
00:19:18.680does it consume like that totally you are almost certainly and this is the thing even if you're
00:19:22.480doing sin for hedonism there are some times where you're just doing a sin that is absolutely
00:19:27.540pointless in terms of the amount of hedonism it's getting you like going to disneyland is
00:19:33.620pointless there is no way that that was the best use of that money there yeah i think one thing
00:19:40.780we discovered too when we took our kids to places before we were like really thoughtful about it and
00:19:45.760taking a first principles approach was like well okay what are our kids actually obsessed with
00:19:49.940and it's never like the concept of Disney or the concept of whatever it is that's happening it's
00:19:55.240like they hyper fix it on like I like to throw rocks in this thing and that might not even be
00:20:00.300what they're supposed to do right and so you can just replicate that most likely at home and you
00:20:05.180know right like consider the alternative like what I do with the kids right is I get a little
00:20:09.540inflatable boat with a small motor and we drive around the lakes around here and we go around the
00:34:59.020there are ways you can socialize that have positive externalities as well.
00:35:03.800So an example here would be my leaflet streams. So on a leaflet stream,
00:35:07.640I'm doing a 10 hour conversation with leaflet typically, right?
00:35:10.440And you can find these recorded on like Twitch and kick and everything like
00:35:13.680that. If you're interested in watching them,
00:35:14.800but these streams often get over 20 000 views you know so not only am i there having a conversation
00:35:22.940with somebody and masturbating the social part of myself right like i'm doing the social thing
00:35:29.960which does feel good to do right to to to talk with somebody who you enjoy speaking to0.86
00:35:35.700and who shares similar interests than you without having to get in a car go out and interact with
00:35:42.580strangers risk getting sick keep in mind you're doing that every time you leave your house oh my
00:35:47.100gosh yeah risk you know you you risk being killed when you go out that's the other thing to remember
00:35:52.700if you go to like a nightclub district people always get shot in these but also like every
00:35:56.180time you get in your car don't forget yeah every time you get in a car you're risking your life
00:36:02.420and and that's that's why i think it's generally good to like cluster those things and to when you
00:36:07.460think about like the car you get it's upon you to research what is the riskiness of this car to your
00:36:13.900life any closing thoughts here simone i don't know you've you've given me a lot to think about
00:36:21.880actually i hadn't thought before about even looking at sinful behaviors and being like okay what is
00:36:29.060the thing that i'm getting out of this and how do i do it better i mean we i obviously did this or
00:36:33.840with the help of my dad and his advice did this with a sin of mind that was really damaging right
00:36:39.840like i loved controlling how much i ate and so she didn't eat anything yeah yeah and so he's like
00:36:44.920okay i see what you want to do here is control and feel that form of a high so here's another
00:36:52.580way you could do it without dying and so instead we just balanced calories and calories out and
00:36:57.580have me weigh and measure and turn to a program everything i ate and then suddenly i wasn't dying
00:37:02.840anymore. And I think it's a really good idea to take a look at things that we're doing that are
00:37:07.820problematic. And I'm just going to be thinking for the rest of the day today, okay, what am I doing
00:37:12.360now that is not good for us? What do I actually want when I'm doing that? And how can I do that
00:37:18.840better? Ideally in a way that just helps everyone in the family that actually contributes to us.
00:37:24.600The idea of taking a skydiving or base jumping addiction and turning it into a cold plunge
00:37:29.480addiction right you're taking a vice and turning it into a virtue while still getting the thing
00:37:33.420like most of the thing out of the vice that you like yeah yeah and consider something like
00:37:37.660intramural sports as a sin for example like in school your parents the people are going to have
00:37:42.920to drive you state to state for competition you know you've got to go to these regular practices
00:37:47.940which again takes up the time of the people who drive you they're just enormously sinful and we
00:37:52.400don't think about them as sinful things they can eat up huge amounts of your life that could be
00:37:57.820spent on self-improvement or attempting to use the the instrument you have honed yourself into
00:38:02.760to improve society for something completely indulgent yeah yeah well and one person's
00:38:09.220sin could be another person's perfectly good thing like if for example for one person participation
00:38:15.840in a sport requires their whole family to sort of derail their lives and spend a lot of time
00:38:19.900driving but then the other person like happens to live right next to a like major gymnastics gym or
00:38:25.400whatever where all they have to do is walk over and it's a really good place for them to be like
00:38:29.640then maybe it's not i think everyone has to consider for themselves what the cost is and
00:38:34.300what the alignment is yeah yeah and to be honest with yourself around where the things that you
00:38:38.900spend your time doing on any given day on any given week like if one of your core tasks in
00:38:45.440life at that time is finding a partner unfortunately you have to do social things yeah like that that
00:38:52.520becomes one of the things that you just have to do that was the primary reason i did anything
00:38:57.320social ever in my life was trying to find a partner oh that's done maybe no once once you
00:39:04.820get a good wife that's a great thing about a good wife and kids you don't need friends anymore right
00:39:08.500you can just cut all that nonsense out yeah i guess you have to still play the field in case i
00:39:13.480die but whatever yeah i mean i i gotta know some people i'm just gonna honestly reach out to fans
00:39:19.580i'm sure there's some fan who wants to marry me oh god well there you have it ladies and
00:39:23.740gentlemen and with that we will be well especially if the fans like a widower too that would be super
00:39:27.780easy no you would be the widower and they would be a widow they could be a widower too if they're
00:39:32.900like no no no a widower malcolm widower is the name for a man who lost his wife what is the
00:39:39.420widow is a woman who lost her husband unless you want to enter a gay marriage that's fine
00:39:47.020the the the people who hate you will love that so but i but i think that this this can be applied to
00:39:54.700sexual like in in regards to like kinks because i think in our society we frame kinks as being like0.89
00:40:01.960hugely sinful whereas i would point out that a lot of kinks that you may engage with have literally0.98
00:40:08.900no negative externality but the time you waste well yeah like that and this this came up when0.97
00:40:13.360we were discussing byron byron gnome christy gnome's husband who had the boomification interest
00:40:19.280had he just like found a community that would like exchange this stuff and talk about it whatever
00:40:25.880and like he he got his big boobs and everything and like did his thing without spending tons of
00:40:31.020money i would not have really seen it as sinful it's like you do you like that's fun for you i0.88
00:40:36.120get it go ahead like have this is great it's very common okay like it's an extremely common thing
00:40:42.600but instead he spent i think over twenty thousand dollars maybe even over sixteen thousand dollars
00:40:48.120on just like one person and that's where okay like this is this is to your family's detriment
00:40:52.400this is to your financial detriment like this is money that could have kept you stable in
00:40:55.860retirement this is money that you could have contributed towards something that's aligned
00:40:59.200with your values because i doubt his values were yes supporting women and this is where like okay
00:41:04.600so suppose the king like we're gonna rate kinks here because this is useful to to to be aware of
00:41:09.640if you're engaging with it in an entirely fictional context, like an AI generated whatever0.58
00:41:15.000thing, the negative externalities it can have to your life are incredibly low, especially if it's
00:41:19.540on a local encrypted thing like RFAB or something like that. So I put that at like the lowest
00:41:23.900category. But if you're talking about like actually acted upon things, you know, at the low
00:41:28.320end, you have things like say rope binding or something like that, right? Right. Yeah. Which
00:41:33.960is just whatever right whereas at the the very highest end you have things that are going to
00:41:39.940make you sterile these are things like testicle inflation that's becoming ball maxing oh my gosh
00:41:46.140or orgies or you know something can be very tame like a choking fetish is a very tame oh yeah don't0.88
00:41:55.020yeah don't don't but if it can cause severe injury don't engage with it with another human
00:42:00.740right like no no no no no come on lots of people die doing it to themselves don't you don't say
00:42:05.480that no i i meant like use ai or something like that just don't actually do imagine doing it no
00:42:10.240i think it's one of those things where you have to feel it get again if you're into that get into
00:42:14.260cold plunges you know again just i feel like so many things a cold plunge do it well yeah with
00:42:19.720all of this i don't think we think about we think of all depraved things as being at the same
00:42:26.500relative level of depravity often and when we talk about the negative externality on other people
00:42:30.860this is where something like being a pda file like immediately enters the highest category
00:42:34.920if if you're doing that with another human being whereas something like lcon artwork which is a
00:42:42.180very you know whatever topic online about whether this is immoral or not immoral because it doesn't
00:42:49.760involve real underage people but i put it in the category of we all know it's not the same level of
00:42:57.060immoral if it could tempt you down a path where the end state is that then it is extremely immoral
00:43:04.460yeah in the same way that you say like well getting into like team sports can be a gateway
00:43:11.860to sports gambling in the same way that content could be yeah that it can be extremely immoral
00:43:17.540in that way yeah i guess what i would say is if any one is probably my biggest question was this
00:43:23.800is is there not something else that turns you on just as much or can't can't we yeah can't we go
00:43:28.900with something else that there because yeah typically most people have a basket of things
00:43:33.140let's go with something else in the basket of all of the various things that turn you on there
00:43:37.500probably is something but i want to point out that how much worse is an art of this versus it
00:43:45.040happening to a real human or you consuming content of it happening to a real human yeah
00:43:49.520yeah yeah i would say it's again one billionth is bad well of course one yeah easily less than
00:43:56.560one billionth is bad probably yeah which is why people are like why are you questioning me when
00:44:00.880people are like look i think that you know synthetic versions of this are you know not so
00:44:06.280bad but but but do i think that if you're a fan of rev says desu the next day you're going to be
00:44:12.120into underage kids or something like that like no i don't do do i think that leaflet fans because
00:44:17.200her character looks very she's very old in the lore but it looks young do i think the next thing
00:44:22.620i guess that's how isn't that how like anime gets around it it's like well but she's like a 200
00:44:27.540year old vampire girl so sometimes anime doesn't care about getting around it i'm gonna be honest
00:44:32.180we all have our regional temptations you know it might be mormons and cucking and japanese and
00:44:38.640underage and you know my region and i've talked about that before so if we're just gonna put
00:44:43.220things next to each other in a line here i might say something like furry or anthro corn might lead
00:44:50.500you to getting into the furry community if you are susceptible to temptations like that and then that
00:44:56.020has a high probability of making you become trans which can have a lot of negative externalities on
00:45:01.180your life so it can be put in a category that is strictly worse than say maybe non-furry content
00:45:07.680Right. Or if you say something like PDA content, right, like L con content that we've been talking about here, it would be strictly worse than the anthro content because the end state that it might tempt you towards being a PDA is way worse.
00:45:26.000But a lot of things in a drawn context might be morally equal to neutral corn outside of maybe it motivates reproduction less.
00:45:38.040So let's say like fart content or you're into pregnant looking chicks or you're into breeding fantasies or you're into being demeaned by people.
00:45:50.780all of these would be like there's just not that many negative externalities that can lead from
00:45:57.380this stuff and while sex that is purely recreational but done with it being understood
00:46:04.660that the person might get pregnant in a way where they might get pregnant and you will keep the baby
00:46:08.340if they get pregnant now keep in mind it is really bad to have sex where a person might get pregnant0.61
00:46:12.840and you would never keep the baby or even question it that's extremely extremely bad but if we're0.95
00:46:18.760talking about sex whiz kinks involved purely for recreation worse than sex purely for reproduction0.93
00:46:24.100but probably better than any category of corn no matter how kinky it is unless it risks killing you0.98
00:46:31.660like certain types of choking or something like that right but when it comes to totally
00:46:36.340fictionalized content where all of these fall in relation to something else so if i was going to
00:46:42.340say somebody who had never gone extreme with their temptations and any other thing in the past where
00:46:46.920I would put Elkon content with them, it would be at a dramatically lower level of immorality0.58
00:46:52.000than a prostitute. Or I'd even say then potentially OnlyFans because that's having an0.93
00:46:59.360impact on a real person's life. Whereas yours has the potential and likely very low potential given
00:47:05.620your past possibility of impact of having another person's life. So it's important just to take all
00:47:11.400of this in context with the negativity of something like this coming from the
00:47:17.080multiplied probability of, in your case, what it has on somebody else.
00:47:22.620And then that somebody else's negative context.
00:47:25.640Finally here, I'd note categories that regardless of a person's susceptibility
00:47:31.120to temptation, that almost never lead people to temptation.
00:47:35.080An example here would be something like, oh, what falls into this category?
00:47:41.340of a position i guess this is being aroused by putting eggs in someone as far as i'm aware of
00:47:47.860no one has ever actually been seriously like done this in a criminal way or in a way that has made
00:47:55.000somebody else infertile compared to something like putting hamsters in someone which apparently
00:48:01.220has tempted a lot of people people are like oh that's not a real thing and then you can look up
00:48:05.440like actual reports from hospitals of it happening and they're like well i mean i guess it happens
00:48:11.020it's like bro if there's multiple hospital reports about this this is a real thing well anyway i think
00:48:16.660we've we've given people a lot to think about and i hold on i'm gonna talk about a final one which
00:48:21.000is murder murder equally bad wow so here if you believe and for people who say life begins at
00:48:31.100conception i think they intuitively even if they believe this i don't know any of them who if told
00:48:38.500there's a six-year-old child in this room and there's 10 just fertilized blastocysts in this
00:48:45.220room in cold storage right you can either unplug the blastocysts in this room or unplug something
00:48:52.200in this room that painlessly kills the six-year-old child i don't think any anybody any catholic is
00:48:57.960going to choose the 10 blastocysts over the six-year-old child because i think we all
00:49:04.460into it, even if those are 100% human lives, it's not the same thing as a six-year-old or a 10-year-old,
00:49:13.420right? And we need to investigate morally, where does this intuition come from? And it's an
00:49:19.320intuition that I think feels incredibly strong for people, right? One is, and I think the first
00:49:26.200thing that people go is, is they're like, yeah, but realistically, for me to turn those six
00:49:32.120blastocysts into a six-year-old kid with all of the emotions experiences connected lives that
00:49:37.700that kid has and potentiality that kid has requires a willing woman right right now with
00:49:45.340the technology we have now this is why i think we have a huge mandate to develop artificial0.64
00:49:48.960wounds but with the technology we have there is some intermittent step which makes the blastocysts
00:49:55.620more morally equivalent to 10 people on life support who have a doctor's diagnosis of 10
00:50:05.900days left to live. But if you spent a billion dollars, you might be able to save them or one
00:50:12.720healthy six-year-old, right? I think that that's the moral equation that they're doing in their
00:50:18.100heads. But now we have a moral equation here where we can say, oh, the life of somebody who's about
00:50:24.500to die and on life support does not have the same value as the life of a healthy child right because
00:50:31.700the potential future of that life without external intervention of a type that you cannot afford to
00:50:39.640do yourself is significantly lower and now this leads us to the second thing which is this says
00:50:46.280okay now you get to choose between lives the life of a six-year-old versus the life of a baby
00:50:54.100versus the life of a 70 year old. Okay. Now, if anybody is, you know, you can, you can put $10
00:51:04.480million down and save one of these lives and you don't have more money than that
00:51:07.700or increase the probability of saving one of these lives. The moral intuition that comes out of this,
00:51:14.440I actually think is quite different than what most people would assume. I think a lot of people
00:51:18.560are going to assume, well, baby first, then six-year-old, then elderly person, if you're
00:51:24.420just doing a straight utilitarian calculation. But the reality of moral intuition is I actually
00:51:30.100think the calculation is very obvious in most people's minds. It's 10-year-old first, then baby,
00:51:37.480then elderly person. And the question can be, why do you put the baby below the 10-year-old,
00:51:45.500right and the answer is is because outside of the fact that it's a sickly baby i'm probably
00:51:52.060gonna get sick again but there are a lot of things that could randomly end up ending that baby's life
00:51:58.240and that makes it reliant on another person before it becomes that 10 year old ready to jump off and
00:52:04.040make all of the potential impacts that they're about to make on the world that make the baby's
00:52:10.080life like not not much worse to save i i'd say like two to three percent worse but some degree
00:52:17.180less than the the also that the the 10 year old has an awareness of what's happening to them that
00:52:23.440the baby doesn't have that i think makes it more horrifying their death but this is just my moral
00:52:29.300intuition again you can take your moral intuitions differently and the people who want to say
00:52:33.180everybody's life has the same value i mean i don't think god thinks that right like he killed random
00:52:38.660babies all the time and like you know when he was killing the egyptians first born sons or
00:52:43.160when he told us to kill all the amokites or the mena types or whether the few times when he told0.96
00:52:48.360us to kill everyone and even punish saul for not doing it so you can't say oh it was just the way0.81
00:52:53.160war was done at that time no that was an active decision on god any thoughts you have on the the0.90
00:52:58.560value of a life simone i i think i'm with you in looking at both viability and
00:53:08.260potential impact because if you know like i think a lot of people
00:53:14.860and i know it's different for everyone but what what our objective function is and you have to
00:53:21.340consider your objective function when making a moral calculation our objective function is
00:53:25.020maximizing long-term human flourishing and that involves
00:53:30.420focusing on on on saving lives that aren't necessarily going to terminate early anyway
00:53:39.920and involve a lot of suffering right that's that's not going to contribute as much as saving
00:53:44.520a life that is more likely to live long and make the biggest impact i hear you this i think that
00:53:52.620you also just don't like babies as much as i do so it's easier for you to say that it would i mean
00:53:58.380indulgently you'd want to save the baby but i think like logically now this is where it gets
00:54:03.460in terms of human individual lives is every individual life equally worth saving if it
00:54:09.820costs the same amount of money i would note here in the context of the bible it was important to
00:54:14.660teach people things because this was not a widely understood concept before the time of christianity
00:54:21.220like don't discriminate against a poor person versus a rich person don't judge somebody solely
00:54:27.580off of wealth but now society has moved too far in the opposite direction where we do not fully
00:54:34.480grok that some people are doing more to see god's vision come to a reality or see what needs to
00:54:42.900happen for humanity come to reality and other people may live lives that are purely parasitic
00:54:48.060on the system and that we act blindly to this and that we need to begin to recognize that
00:54:57.080while both of their lives may have dignity they are not equal in value in terms of if you can
00:55:05.320only save one if you can only you know you in in some sort of broad vague sense they may be equal
00:55:13.120in value but in terms of like practical i have to do something to save one they're very obviously
00:55:18.700not because of the long-term effects they're going to have on other people's lives and and note here
00:55:23.440this could be a person is super wealthy like the ceo of health care and their life is a negative
00:55:28.360externality literally lower in value than somebody who is purely a parasite on the system or more
00:55:35.840salient modern example bricks and minifigs ceo so this isn't like wealthy people's lives or more
00:55:41.180values and less wealthy people's lives it's what you do is that life and here we'll say a random
00:55:47.600unemployed somalian versus elon musk now did you know that now he's worth the next i think five
00:55:53.960richest persons net worth combined yeah and like certain countries he's like worth more than them
00:56:01.120isn't he like worth more than canada or something or like their gd i i can't remember but yeah it's
00:56:06.880something insane but i mean so this this is something that even came up with covid right
00:56:11.380because when vaccines were in short supply the question came like well what lives are we going
00:56:16.640to save and the democratic establishment at the time like their white house at the time suggested
00:56:20.960that it be given to those who've been racially disenfranchised basically given so it's clear that
00:56:26.120people do make at first like i i keep trying to explain to our kids there's no such thing as fair
00:56:31.100because you have to establish like well then what is what on what basis you know are you dividing a
00:56:36.240resource and that depends on your values and people have different values and i think that's
00:56:39.960the core thing is there is no universal like good or bad thing or worse or better sin it really it's
00:56:45.180all based on how you orient toward your but this this is where when it comes to the value of a life
00:56:50.540the value of elon's life is demonstrably more than the random somalian in this example right
00:56:56.300the the reason i bring this up is his well that depends i mean for like people who who
00:57:01.780devalue capitalists and who value non-capitalists right but i'm talking about what we think is
00:57:08.000objectively true about reality that our goal in life any human's goal in life is to move humanity
00:57:15.080forwards right to to move human flourishing whoa that's that's our goal but i don't get the
00:57:20.620impression that's a universal goal right a lot of people's goals are very different this is about
00:57:25.380what's religious yes okay yes yes for us so you can say for them whatever i don't care what they
00:57:30.600yeah okay go in the blender i didn't know we were talking about just our view in our worldview and
00:57:36.380i believe the worldview of the majority of our fans the perspective impact of elon going forwards
00:57:42.040is enormous when you look at the things that he's accomplished for the human race so far
00:57:46.280broke wokeism through the acquisition of x on top of what he's done for the environment with
00:57:53.420tesla the way he's moved forward technology with tesla it's fake x that he's dedicated the
00:57:58.260company's entire mission to a mars colony right they're like how cool is that and the positive
00:58:06.120externality of a mars colony it means even if an asteroid does come that could kill all humanity
00:58:10.220or we get a gray ghost scenario we get some sort of ai foaming scenario we get we have the backup
00:58:14.880the backups matter people okay but you're going way off the rails going back to murder and i i did
00:58:23.080one of our listeners at least one of our listeners pointed out like how do you reconcile
00:58:27.560thou shalt not kill with the fact that there's a lot of killing in in the bible yeah yeah so how
00:58:35.140do you personally does not translate to thou shalt not kill in the bible it translates to thou
00:58:39.420shall not murder which in jewish law at the time was a very very specific type of premeditated
00:58:45.720murder okay so tell me more like how do i know if i'm doing a bad for the old testament for the
00:58:54.08010 commandments i mean in the old testament we see people killing people all the time on behalf
00:58:59.220of god and basically if the person is an enemy of your people you have free range on them that's
00:59:04.940that's the general and your people i think you know we can we can i i would say like any of the
00:59:10.820saved people any of the people of god will fall into the our people category here but if they are
00:59:15.980creating negative externalities for your people the bible's pretty carte blanche do what you want
00:59:21.660not even what you want you you have a commandment to deal with the problem
00:59:25.080multiple times throughout the bible huh yeah i i would love to learn more about this
00:59:32.920specific definition of judaism like per judaism you say like what murder is in judaism the context
00:59:39.980is what's good for the jewish people right and god was very okay with this context throughout
00:59:46.440the old testament okay the idea that he doesn't want us to and i i think that this is the the
00:59:53.640line that is twisted the most to translate it to thou shall not kill is just lying because that's
00:59:58.780not what it says but i don't i this is the one thing i really get annoyed with with nux when he
01:00:03.940goes over this all the time when we end up in a scenario where the other side is blatantly stealing
01:00:10.020elections like let's suppose and your vote doesn't matter anymore and you have nowhere to run
01:00:16.100anymore and now it's prima nocta on your daughters right you have a mandate to fight back
01:00:22.660right especially when things get tyrannical like i would want our people to be one of the first
01:00:31.580when things do go full nazi to actually fight back against that real nazi you know like taking
01:00:37.680away our rights that we're seeing now right to live life the way you want to breed the way you
01:00:43.240want to have children the way you want to engage with genetic technology the way you want i think
01:00:48.560you know when these rights are infringed upon that i think are some of the most important rights that
01:00:51.820any human can have the the lengths to which i think we are mandated to go is extreme insofar
01:00:59.560as it doesn't bring down negative externalities on our community which is a pretty big and so
01:01:03.800right because as soon as you make yourself an existential threat to another group
01:01:09.340that group has a mandate themselves to of course take you out and that's i think a very important
01:01:14.500calculation yeah and this is where all because leaflet wanted to talk about this you know on
01:01:19.800an individual within the techno puritan phase has a mandate to stay armed with the highest degree
01:01:31.620of lethality armament for your level of technology because you know you don't want to get stuck like1.00
01:01:37.020the Sikhs do as stupid knives, that is practical for your context. So for example, if you're on a1.00
01:01:45.460spaceship, you probably don't want something that's accidentally going to crack through the
01:01:50.060hull of the spaceship, right? But you do still want something that is lethal. And this came from
01:01:56.180the Sikh context, right? Like anybody who looks at techno-Pyritanism at this point can tell
01:01:59.440this is a real religion, right? Like this is obviously like a sincerely held religion. And this
01:02:06.760tracked explains our views on, you know, you should not, the reason we say don't just go out
01:02:13.580and kill random negative externalities in society, that makes our community into a negative
01:02:17.720externality for other communities that don't have these views. So that is where it makes sense to
01:02:21.960not go out there and make a jerk of yourself. But clearly, these are our real religious views.0.99
01:02:28.320And so within any government system, I think they have to respect this if they're respecting it for
01:02:33.040seeks and i've now explained logically why we have these views and why we believe we have a
01:02:38.320mandate for self-protection because if you go into public without self-protection you are putting
01:02:43.300yourself and your family at risk and so if you are over the age 18 you have a mandate for self-protection
01:02:50.380at all times because it's up to you to not just protect yourself but all of the other people who
01:02:55.640could be killed or had their lives removed in any sort of negative externality event like a live
01:03:01.680shooter situation for example now you are a positive externally because you can end that
01:03:06.400and note here this is not me telling you this for funsies if you take a literal interpretation of
01:03:12.780the christian bible this is what we are commanded to do so if you look at something like luke 22 35
01:03:19.04038 then jesus asked them when i sent you without purse bag or sandals did you lack for anything
01:03:25.760nothing they answered he then said to them but now if you have a purse take it and also a bag
01:03:31.500and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written, and he who was numbered
01:03:37.700with the transgressors, and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, that is written
01:03:43.180about me is reaching its fulfillment. The disciples said, see Lord, here are your two swords. That's
01:03:49.280enough, he replied. So a few notes here. In the Greek, most modern interpretations take this to
01:03:54.220mean that there were only two swords among all of the disciples. However, it doesn't exclusively
01:03:59.060mean that in greek it could mean they all had two swords or he alone had two swords so what i take
01:04:05.360this to mean is that you don't need to arm yourself with more than two lethal close range weapons and
01:04:12.760the way that i would generally handle this speaking is that you need to be armed with at least one
01:04:17.460because he does say you you need a sword more than the cloak on your back right and that for the
01:04:22.440other i would use something that is faster disabling like a taser or something like that
01:04:26.460because that falls into within the category of him back then they wouldn't have had something
01:04:30.640like that so the idea is first you arm yourself with something lethal then you arm yourself with
01:04:35.640something quick and this is if you are taking what we are going to call the oath of preservation
01:04:41.460which is to say that you take responsibility of your own life to yourself and if you allow
01:04:46.660yourself to die because you went out in public and you were killed by somebody who you should
01:04:50.740have been able to defend yourself against but you weren't because you did not take the oath of
01:04:54.620preservation, that's your responsibility. Morally speaking, that rests on your soul, morally
01:05:00.240speaking. In the same way an unaliving is, in the same way self-harm is, in the same way
01:05:04.960a skydiving accident is, which we consider quite sinful. And I want to really focus on the words
01:05:10.820here so we can understand what Jesus is saying in this context. He's basically saying when we were
01:05:16.380doing our preaching, when I was doing my preaching with you guys, we were doing it in a pacifistic
01:05:20.940way and in a way that was monastic you know where you don't have a coin purse etc he's like and now
01:05:27.280that we're moving into the next era you know after my death which this is one of the last teachings
01:05:31.880he gave us after my death it will not be monastic you are demanded to not go into the monastic
01:05:39.000lifestyle to go out there to be industrious to have the coin purse and secondarily to be armed
01:05:46.140and to expect persecution and thus be armed so even if you're looking at the the swords in this
01:05:53.880context and you do think oh it meant two swords for the entire group he's still not even talking
01:05:58.380about this context he's talking about the context where after he's dead where everyone is expected
01:06:02.120to always be armed at all times and note here some people will then say didn't jesus say something
01:06:07.800like live by the sword die by the sword as an abomination of armed conflict and if you here
01:06:13.640would then say something like well what about you know when Jesus says in Matthew when one of his
01:06:20.380companions takes a sword and chops the ear off of somebody who's trying to arrest Jesus for all of
01:06:26.200those who draw the sword will die by the sword do you not think you can call on my father and he
01:06:31.400will put at disposal more than 12 legions of angels but how then would the scriptures be
01:06:36.380fulfilled that say it must happen in this way so note here he's not saying broadly he's very
01:06:42.880explicitly not saying in a general context all who live by the sword die by the sword he's saying
01:06:47.420all who live by the sword in opposition to god's plan and right now he's saying it is god's plan
01:06:52.120that i am supposed to die in just the near future and you you also see this because the same scene
01:06:58.240is recorded in john 18 10 put your sword away shall i not drink the cup the father has given me
01:07:03.880so the reason he says to not use the sword in this context is because he is trying to fulfill
01:07:10.940a prophecy here and he's beginning to interfere with the prophecy so his previous commandment
01:07:16.320which one of his last that you are supposed to be armed at all times and if you don't have a sword
01:07:20.920you should have and keep in mind sword in context changes in modern context we are all not just
01:07:25.880techno puritans all christians supposed to always be armed because we have responsibility for our
01:07:31.400lives and the lives of those around us and note here this this is not a particularly weird thing
01:07:35.860for Jews in this time period. Almost all Jews were armed most of the time. This is why when
01:07:41.800they were like, here are two swords, Jesus, is that enough? I don't think they meant for all of
01:07:46.700them together, as that would have been an absurdly low number of swords for Jews to have during that0.92
01:07:51.100time period. It seems much more likely they mean, is two swords enough now that you're telling me1.00
01:07:56.420that I need swords? That, in context, appears a much more likely, even if it's not what the
01:08:02.760mainstream Christian denominations want you to understand, uh, and we'll fight against
01:08:07.440interpretation of what's being said here in a literalist context. So here you can see something
01:08:12.600like Nehemiah 4, 16 to 18. The officers posted themselves behind all the people of Judea who
01:08:18.400were building the wall. Those who carried materials did their work with one hand and held a weapon in
01:08:23.160the other. And each of the builders wore his sword on the side as he worked. Nehemiah 4, 14.
01:08:28.260don't be afraid of them remember the lord who is great and awesome and fight for your brothers and
01:08:33.500sons and daughters your wives your home basically talking about armings oneself being a duty within
01:08:38.440the community and it being normal within the community in samuel 25 13 david said to his men
01:08:44.340each of you strap on your sword so each of them strapped on his sword and david strapped on his
01:08:48.560well implying that all the men had swords ready to strap on in songs 14 4 through 1 praise be to
01:08:56.380the lord my rock who trains my hands for war my fingers for battle again showing that the lord
01:09:03.120does want war he does want battle that is part of what is expected of us when we are faced with evil
01:09:09.740i also have nehemiah 4 13 they stationed arms by families with swords and spears and bows
01:09:16.120we have psalms 14 41 praise be to the lord my rock who trains my hands for war my fingers for battle
01:09:22.820basically it's all over the bible wherever you look at the old testament people are expected to
01:09:28.860fight for their own people so officially how does this work was in techno puritanism
01:09:33.980there are two potential oaths that you can take the oath of self-preservation which is taking
01:09:39.420responsibility for your life and the lives of those around you and the secondary oath of self
01:09:45.080preservation which is a more maximal form of this once you have taken one of these oaths
01:09:49.480Going forwards, you are expected to undergo what is mandated by that oath.
01:09:54.780After the first oath of self-preservation, in any context where you might encounter somebody who is also armed with a lethal weapon,
01:10:03.600it is upon you or your responsibility to also be armed with a lethal weapon.
01:10:09.920This means that if, in a context like, say, a plane flight or something like that,0.93
01:10:15.040actually there is no chance that even a Sikh is going to be on that plane with a lethal weapon,0.99
01:10:18.140you don't have to have a lethal weapon but if you're just like walking around town absolutely1.00
01:10:22.460you have to have a lethal weapon on you so it has one small caveat which is if one of the types of
01:10:29.220places where no one can have a lethal weapon is in your way of a secondary location where some
01:10:34.220people might have a lethal weapon but you will be in for a short period of time you are not mandated
01:10:38.060to have a lethal weapon so this would mean if you have taken the oath of preservation and you are
01:10:43.100going on a vacation somewhere, you don't need to then buy a sword when you get to that location
01:10:48.840if you were not able to carry yours in your luggage, right? So this is the first oath of
01:10:54.600preservation. The secondary oath of preservation is to take this more maximally because, frankly,
01:11:01.700just a lethal weapon, which implies generally a short-range weapon, is not going to be everything
01:11:07.200you need to protect yourself from most of the dangers of this world. And so the secondary oath
01:11:12.840of self-preservation is more maximalist and says well the first one says you can have up to two
01:11:19.120the second one says you are mandated to have a short-range lethal or disabling weapon and a
01:11:26.440long-range lethal weapon with the long-range one being lethal so this would mandate both
01:11:32.240something short-range and something long-range and generally you would take the first oath
01:11:37.360about six months to a year before you take the second oath while it is generally advised that
01:11:45.400most techno puritans take the first oath at around the age of 18 going forwards it is not a mandate
01:11:52.220to be a follower of our religion and it is not advised if you are in an environment where it may
01:11:56.860prevent you from doing business or advocating the interests of our people more broadly because it
01:12:02.880could within certain cultural contexts and the secondary oath is only for people who want to
01:12:08.940maximally dedicate themselves to this and requires regular training in whatever that long-range weapon
01:12:15.100is final note on this oath is and you are responsible for recognizing this in yourself
01:12:21.060or having this imposed on you by your community but if you ever reach a state of mind where you
01:12:28.360are now a danger to those around you or you are too aggressive in the way you might use something
01:12:35.560like this it is a moral necessity for you to either for that period not be armed or period
01:12:45.040period not be armed for the rest of your life so if you have something like dementia you would not
01:12:49.660be armed during that period if you are drinking heavily you would have a mandate to not be armed
01:12:55.300during that period or on any sort of mind-altering chemical and never as a techno puritan broadly
01:13:01.440speaking never do like a mass shooting or something like that there is just no point to it
01:13:06.660it doesn't achieve there are ways that lethality can be handled that do not hurt innocent individuals
01:13:14.180yeah basically we just expect you to be dramatically more cunning as a techno puritan
01:13:19.080than the type of people who would do something so witless you know if you want to mass effect action
01:13:24.940use a gene drive or something like that yeah and this means to be demonstrably sure of the guilt
01:13:32.360of an individual even in scenarios like say somebody is out there saying you know my group
01:13:40.380needs to go out and murder people like they're even if they're not doing it themselves they're
01:13:44.000up preaching this every day like murder innocent people great children something like this is0.99
01:13:49.740being preached do you have a moral license to do something about this absolutely within this faith
01:13:55.520system but but this is only if what they are preaching is manifold worse and being acted
01:14:03.900upon by people they're like a crazy person on the street that doesn't matter if you're in an
01:14:08.100environment where people are being killed regularly i think that we have a moral mandate to intervene
01:14:12.780in this so yeah that's a a broader understanding of of morality sinfulness where to engage with
01:14:21.420stuff the final thing i wanted to note here which comes downstream of one of the questions somebody
01:14:26.020had on the the stream about like the actual ruling in this on techno puritanism if you're a follower
01:14:30.900is what is the ruling on techno puritanism around if you feel that you are able to develop more
01:14:41.060emotional control longstream by emotionally venting in the short term. Now, first I would
01:14:46.100note here, I think the research demonstrably shows that you lose self-control the more you
01:14:51.400indulge in it. If you feel that you have a better ability to deal with your grief by crying and
01:14:57.300letting it out, and this is something that you've experienced and you know yourself, sure, but know
01:15:02.640you're in dangerous territory if you're doing that. Because for most of us, what happens is
01:15:09.240the things that make us sad in life are the things where like, I didn't really feel that sad when my
01:15:13.700mom died because I knew I had done everything I could to be a good son to her and to give her a
01:15:17.820good life within reason throughout her entire life. I'd always been there for her. And so I was like,
01:15:22.680I don't really have any regrets on any interaction I've had with her. I have regrets that she won't
01:15:27.100be able to see my kids, but like, that's not something that I have control over. So there's
01:15:31.600no reason to feel sad about this, but there have been times when I have done things that I feel
01:15:37.980deep regret about. And there is this emotion that you feel like if you feel grief in that moment,
01:15:43.520if you cry, if you blame yourself, if you hit something, the responsibility, your self
01:15:50.020responsibility, your anger at yourself can deservedly be lesser. And I think we all sort
01:15:56.000of feel this voice in our heads. And what I'm talking about is not giving into that voice
01:16:01.600because that voice is lying to you. It doesn't lower your culpability. Instead, what you
01:16:07.880should do is instead of giving into that voice saying, no, I need to learn from this. Okay. I
01:16:13.540wasn't there for my mom as much as I needed to be. Is my dad still alive? Is anyone else in my
01:16:18.740life still alive? Are my family members that are estranged still alive that I should reconnect with?
01:16:23.840It should flip a switch for you in regards to all of that. The final thing is I'll note that
01:16:30.360this entire ethical subset that we've discussed here also applies to interpersonal relationships.
01:16:36.000if an interpersonal relationship is purely masturbatory you get nothing from it it doesn't
01:16:40.540enrich you it doesn't help you understand the world better like when i talk with leaflet i
01:16:45.780often come away with entirely new framings of society so true great one she gave that i'm
01:16:52.980gonna put in the tract here because it's gotta go on a tract somewhere is i was talking about
01:16:56.640as humans genetically engineers themselves we're likely going to see different groups with
01:17:01.080different preferences begin to look very differently where you might see techno puritans
01:17:05.180end up looking like space marines one day right like giant super intelligent super you know two0.81
01:17:12.080hearts everything like that type figures you might see another group like let's say jews0.75
01:17:16.960spec into like a high agility build and no this isn't a commandment for techno puritanisms you
01:17:21.880guys need to find out what works what's what's the correct build to spec into spec into an agility
01:17:26.840build you know they become the cat people of the far future or something like this
01:17:30.200and i was talking about how this makes diversity even more valuable when you have a real groups
01:17:35.840with differential strengths and what leaflet said is she goes look if this is confusing to you think
01:17:43.020about this you're putting together your space boarding party this is like you know your crew
01:17:47.740for a spaceship this is like you putting together your adventuring guild right you you want you know
01:17:53.440yeah you're orkin warrior and you're you know dwarven workshop guy and you're elven mage
01:17:59.960and you're you know you you want all of the different builds in there right that is how0.98
01:18:06.700you build the best party you would be stupid to make your entire party you know human or dwarf0.81
01:18:13.060or you you can do it for some sort of novelty reason but we genuinely benefit from working0.97
01:18:19.080alongside other groups even if the dwarves and the elves sometimes screw each other over a party's
01:18:25.820still better off having a dwarf and an elf in it and i think that that's an important thing to think
01:18:30.680about but the reason i was saying that this matters with friendships is i think we all know that there
01:18:35.320are friendships that we engage in in our lives or relationships we engage in that do nothing but
01:18:40.240drain from us those are directly sinful to have and if you're afraid that you're a bad person for
01:18:45.880abandoning this person because oh well if you weren't there for them who would be if you don't
01:18:50.740have a moral mandate to that individual like they're a parent of yours or something and even
01:18:55.020then this is tentative of very are draining resources that could otherwise be going to the
01:18:58.920next generation cut them off this also goes for parents a parent who is draining resources that
01:19:03.700should be going to the next generation and isn't contributing cut them off because the next
01:19:07.940generation the younger generation matters more than the older generation and and cut them off
01:19:12.040in me and pull the plug and this is also true of ourselves if we ever become drains to our families
01:19:17.860yeah we hold to that anyway if you're gonna be like oh god says all life has value then why
01:19:26.220did he tell people to randomly kill people sometimes why did he tell you to why did he
01:19:30.600punish Saul it's because that's clearly not what god wants god wants what's best for society that's
01:19:35.220why he has guided and the groups that have followed him have always lived in the most flourishing of
01:19:40.420societies the most prosperous of societies because that's the downstream effect that's
01:19:45.040why all the sins that we get as christians generally make your life better but they
01:19:49.940need to also generally make society better and so we're extrapolating from that anyway thoughts
01:19:54.060simone i probably yes yeah and i think it's important also also to note that a lot of the
01:20:05.700more less sinful things you've pointed out would be seen as a very simple thing to do
01:20:13.620per today's standards and just going with what feels socially comfortable is not necessarily
01:20:18.920yeah um and note here when it comes to weapons you also have a duty to secure them a religious
01:20:26.280duty to secure them because an unsecured weapon can end a child's life at any moment yeah well
01:20:30.580that's most gun deaths in america right it's tragic so yeah any any weapon even if you hate
01:20:37.300our religion if you want the right to carry a weapon techno puritanism is the way to go
01:20:41.940and note in terms of what the weapons look like you can go in generally a few directions for the
01:20:48.580traditional weapons uh one is to go with something that represents your ancestral group or that has
01:20:55.540ancestral ties to the technopuritan tradition since we personally take a lot from our own
01:21:00.900scottish ancestry and we lean a lot into roman ancestry that could be a dirk or a gladius
01:21:06.860or something that is inconspicuous if you think that that is the most efficient
01:21:11.620like a belt buckle knife or something like that it really depends on one your own heritage and
01:21:19.380identity and how you wish to honor that and two what works within your existing social context
01:21:25.700uh with the understanding also always being that if everyone else is banned from having a weapon
01:21:31.300then there's no risk of you being killed in that situation or needing to protect someone so you
01:21:36.240also don't need a weapon but if any other religious group is allowed a weapon because
01:21:40.620jesus told us that we have to do this um and i know a lot of other christian groups and denominations
01:21:46.980have pussied out of this in one way or another, but we are not them. And more is expected of us
01:21:51.680in terms of protecting ourselves and our communities than most of them expect for
01:21:55.820themselves. Most of them live incredibly indolent, self-centered, and efficacious-less lives.
01:22:01.920Why should we part our moral standards to theirs? There you go. Love it. All right, well,
01:22:08.620I will go start your dinner, and I love you very much. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
01:22:13.160good tract i think yeah interesting stuff and i yeah sins are under the past
01:22:19.640so i'm about going back into them yeah love you bye
01:22:24.460we are here we are back it is happening people people like the medieval shirt on the leaflet
01:22:47.600call so i decided it was okay to wear it on our it's good it's good it's stuff that really
01:22:52.060signals bdsm is leather straps that's what i was afraid of leather straps that's why we can't buy
01:22:56.960anything with leather straps yeah instead of medieval because what i'm going for is ren fair
01:23:01.720man because everybody says i make my wife dress like she's from the past so why don't i dress like
01:23:06.480i'm from the past and i go i don't make my wife dress that way but you know it shows this outfit
01:23:11.200this is not like something you made me i was like i showed up one day wearing this stuff and
01:23:16.160welcome's like well okay okay i guess this is what we're doing
01:23:20.740all right what are we doing for dinner tonight by the way i'm gonna make some kind of pasta dish
01:23:29.740for the kids it might be macaroni and cheese it might not is it gonna have like a meat sauce or
01:23:34.160what type of sauce i probably a macaroni and cheese sauce or possibly just parmesan cheese
01:23:42.620i i don't know yet it sort of depends on what the kids want i'm okay with mac and cheese tonight
01:23:46.060if you're doing that yeah it suits their their cheesy fancy it might suit your cheesy fancy too
01:23:52.640oh no i can do a reheated potato tonight yeah you can with do a reheated potato with cheese
01:23:58.160okay cheese like cheddar right yeah yeah and then some of those meat patty things
01:24:04.620the pork ones or whatever they're called i don't know okay pork boncha they're really good they go
01:24:12.380really well with cheesy baked potato i'll tell you what that makes a lot of sense with some pepper
01:24:17.420on it yeah and this time i'm going to try to make wet slices and just air fry them and see what
01:24:22.340happens let's try it what could possibly be better because it's going to get crispier when you air
01:24:27.940fry it in theory we don't know it's an already baked potato potatoes are very strange um in like
01:24:38.400the starch doing things that I don't understand. I don't know potato science. I'm not a potato
01:24:43.720scientist. Okay. Let's unpack everything right here, okay? All right. Yeah, now let's get this
01:24:52.420mask out right here and get this out right here. You can't wait to start using them, huh?