Splitting Humanity： Physical Elites, Cognitive Elites, & The Drugged Masses (Raw Egg Nationalist)
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In this episode, Simone and Malcolm are joined by conservative lifestyle influencer and author of The Raw Egg Nationist, Isam Borden, to talk about the future of society and how it will change in the next 500 years.
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Hello, this is Malcolm Collins here with Simone, and we are joined by Raw Egg Nationalists.
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I would be very surprised if there are members of our audience who don't know who he is,
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but he's really an influencer in sort of the conservative lifestyle space, specifically
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focused on trying to raise awareness around the feminization of the male body due to things
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If you want to follow him on Twitter, his at is babygravy9, and he's written five books
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He's got a sub stack you can check out, and yeah.
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Magazine, oh yes, of course, Man's World, and it's going to have a physical edition soon,
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Of course, the powers that be, well, probably never let that happen so long as it keeps being
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Um, but, uh, the topic that I wanted to focus on today was where do you think society is
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And you can chart this in steps, like where you think things are going in 20 years, 50
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We had such a wonderful conversation last time.
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I'm, I'm sure this is, this is going to be fantastic too.
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So fundamentally, I think I have a, I have a kind of HG Wells-esque vision of the future.
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I think that what we're going to see is we're going to see a kind of, a kind of split in
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I think, I mean, I like to, I'm a, I'm an optimist or I try to be an optimist in many
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ways about people's ability to take control of their lives.
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You know, I mean, I tell people, look, there are simple things that you can do.
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You know, you, you can stop eating as much food as you're eating.
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You can reduce your exposure to endocrine disruptors and, you know, you can transform your life.
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You will be, if you do that, you will be unrecognizable in a year, three years, five years, you'll
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But on my slightly less optimistic days, and I do think that actually there is a large segment
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of the population that now will find it impossible not to be enormously unhealthy, to be dysgenically
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And I mean, you only need to look at the emergence of drugs like a Zempic, for instance, Wegavi,
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you know, these, these fat loss miracle, miracle drugs that are being marketed now, you know,
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I mean, they're being explicitly marketed on the, on the assumption that the majority of people
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We, we can't reform society in, in ways that will make it easier for people to make the right choices.
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And so what you have to do is you have to rely on farmer to do it.
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So that's, so this is, this is really where I think it comes in.
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I think there will be a, there will be fundamentally, I don't know what point, maybe it's happening
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right now, there will be a kind of selection event almost where people with willpower will
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kind of, will kind of break away from the rest of society into a kind of a physical elite,
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I, I, I, one thing I want to add to this because I think it's really interesting and this for
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me has been a big turnaround in my relationship with people of rotundity, which is contextualizing
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for myself that obesity is about as genetic as IQ.
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However, it does not appear from my research that this level of genetic correlation with
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It's not like these people have higher or lower metabolism.
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Actually human metabolism does not change that much.
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It would make a difference if you're going like two and a half standard deviations from
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So what, what is really then happening here with obesity, I think to what you're getting
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And so it would make sense what you're talking about.
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If you begin to have people separating out, you will have, and I think that this is very
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different from what a lot of people anticipate, which is like, oh, society will split into like
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Um, whereas you're saying, no, it's going to split into maybe a high willpower, low willpower
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I'd be, I'd be much more interested in marrying a high willpower person than a high IQ person.
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Well, I think the, what's going on with Osempic and we go via all those semaglutide interventions
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is it really does demonstrate that this is a willpower thing.
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Well, these don't actually slow your metabolism.
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So what they're really controlling is willpower in a sense and not, not actual metabolism,
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which is really, in fact, they're, they're adversely affecting your metabolism because
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when you lose so much weight, your metabolism drops and then people go off it.
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And of course they gain weight super fast because their body's like, oh, we're starving.
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And what, and what also happens is of course that there've been a couple of studies that
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And muscle is much more metabolically expensive to maintain than fat.
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So actually, oh, you lose, you lose 200 pounds or whatever, but you've actually lost a huge
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Unless you're actively weight training while you're losing.
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Like there are some like nerds who are definitely going for that.
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Like they're really like, they're aware of the problem.
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Like that's like, first off, if you're disciplined enough to lift weights while you're, you know,
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going through this, then you're probably not the kind of person who absolutely needs to
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But what they're, and what they're talking about as well is they're talking about using
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That's the class of drugs that Zempic belongs to.
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They're talking about using them now to treat other forms of addiction.
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They're talking about using them to treat alcoholism, for instance.
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I was just having a conversation with an obesity doctor and another super smart guy about
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And for example, we've had naltrexone forever to treat alcoholism and a bunch of other forms
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of addiction, but people don't really like how it makes them feel, right?
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And you know, these, these new, this new class of drugs is a lot more pleasant to use, even
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So yeah, it could have a really interesting effect.
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I want to see a lot more research on the effects that these do have.
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Even like people have, I don't know how, how much this is anecdotal for people or a placebo
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effect, you know, reporting less time on social media, less time gambling, et cetera.
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Well, the side, the side effects of, of semaglutide and these other drugs are very interesting.
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I've written, written quite, quite at length about them.
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I wrote a piece, I wrote a piece for American mind called Fatty's Little Helper.
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And it was, I mean, I talked at length about the side effects in particular, and they're
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And people are, people are starting to realize now.
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So one of the, one of the increased risks from a zempic is inhaling the contents of your
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So if you, yeah, so a zempic, it normally your stomach empties in a few hours.
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And what a zempic does is it, is it slows the movement of food out of your stomach to a
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rate of, I mean, it basically doesn't move at all.
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And in fact, you can get stomach paralysis, but it might take three weeks for your stomach
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So what happens is if you're, if you're fat and you are on a zempic, you're probably,
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I mean, hugely fat now, you're likely to have a gastric bypass as well.
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They're recommending bariatric surgery in, in conjunction with use of a zempic.
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Well, you lay, you lay down on the table, your stomach is still full.
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And, and so the gastric juices and the food in your stomach comes back up out of your
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throat and you inhale it into your lungs and you can, you can die.
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I imagine these people, they don't adapt to the new behavior immediately.
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So they're probably overeating for their new digestive.
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But that's a, so that's a, that's a serious risk.
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The other risk is of chronic obstructive, chronic obstructions in the, in the intestines.
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So they reckon that that might be how Lisa Marie Presley died or Priscilla Presley.
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I forget which, which she had, she'd been on a mega, a mega weight loss drive before the
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And she had already had bariatric surgery because she'd struggled with weight in the past.
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Bariatric surgery scars the intestines and it can make them sort of ruckle up almost.
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And it makes it harder for food to pass through.
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And I think she was on opioids and it just slows to a slow, the food basically doesn't
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But then, but then there's also the fact that in rat studies, in rodent studies, then these
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GLP one agonist drugs like semaglutide and others reliably cause thyroid tumors in the
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Can you quickly go over if you happen to know the mechanism of action of these drugs?
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I think it's either, it's, it's either, I think it's either ghrelin or leptin.
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They work on the receptors in the stomach that signals satiety, basically.
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So they, they signal to your brain that you're, that you're satiated, but they also slow the
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digestion of your stomach, slow the movement of things from your stomach.
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So Simone, you were saying that they could be used for alcohol.
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So that's, that's what I, so what Ryag Nationalist said is, is what I understand as well, that
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I think people are getting confused with opioid.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Because again, people taking these drugs are reporting these other effects.
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What I think is happening here is, you know how they say, never go shopping hungry.
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I think that when people feel hungry, they also are engaging in more impulsive behavior.
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And, and that, that I think is what may be at play when you feel really full.
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Like imagine you used to eat like a giant holiday meal.
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You know, another fascinating effect of this is that sexuality changes when people are hungry.
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If you remember this from our book, if these drugs become more common,
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Some really obvious ones are men prefer smaller breasts when they're less hungry,
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and they prefer larger breasts when they're more hungry.
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Basically, if you're resource scarce, you're going to optimize for women who look like
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So ladies, schedule your breast reduction surgery.
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Yeah, or if you, you, you have access to copious resources as a man,
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you're typically going to optimize for women who look like they have a longer reproductive
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I wonder if in women there's similar like, like sexual changes when they're,
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Well, there, I mean, there have been, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure they're probably,
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I know, I mean, I know that there are, that there are certainly studies that show that
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women's mate preferences change when they go on and come off hormonal contraception.
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And, you know, it's been shown that, that I think that women, women, when they're on,
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I can't remember whether it's when they're on contraception or when they're off, that
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they prefer more masculine faces and obviously more masculine faces that have higher levels
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But yeah, so I would, I would, I mean, all of these hormones, I think what we have to
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remember is that these hormones have all sorts of effects.
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You know, we, we talked in the last episode about testosterone as the aggressive hormone that
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people just think it's about aggression when actually it regulates almost every kind of
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behavior you can think, every type of behavior you can think of in men and in women as well.
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And I think that even appetite hormones like ghrelin and leptin and things like that, then
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they must obviously be involved in very complicated circuits of, of reward and appetite and, and
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So yes, I mean, I think that, yeah, I think, I think you could definitely, you, you, if
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they haven't done a study of women's sexual preferences, when they're hungry and when
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So for men, it found that hungry males in line was what I was saying preferred females
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was more physically mature features, specifically females who were heavier, taller, and older.
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Female participants who are hungry showed elevated preferences for partners with a more
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No, personality profile, i.e. less probably impulsive, more muted, like an old man.
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Because when a woman is full, then she's probably into like younger, more risky-seving men?
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They're like, when I think what is a young personality profile for a male, it's the typical
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Someone who will go out and like kill something for them to eat.
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Well, and who's constantly signaling their virtue, like, well, not their virtue, but their,
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Whereas older men are typically not signaling those things as much.
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I'm pretty sure that's specifically what they're looking at, which is interesting because
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it could mean that a lot of these alpha mindsets are going to be less attractive to
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women in the near future if they're all on an Olympic.
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I mean, like, so I think a woman is more likely to want to date someone on an Olympic
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And I say this because like men on an Olympic, you know, I mean, pretty much anyone on an
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Olympic either has really good health insurance that can pay for it or they're wealthy, right?
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Well, men on an Olympic are going to like fat women.
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You know, you're more into older, fatter women.
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I think women are going to be really pushing this.
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So then that's, that's fortunate, but I, yeah, I mean, I, I'm just trying to think of
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the correlatory factors with who's taking a Zempic.
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I think men are going to prefer women who are not taking a Zempic, so.
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Because they're, they're, they've better inhibitory control and they're probably.
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Let's, let's talk about this split in humanity, right?
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High will, low will category, but they may look fairly similar.
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It's just the amount of drugs that they're using.
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I, I think, I think we may very well see physical differences start to emerge.
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I'm not any kind of genetic specialist, so I can't tell you how many, how many generations
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Well, well, I mean, I've read one of my favorite books is Western Price, Nutrition and Physical
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This is an amazing, it's what I think it's the best book on nutrition ever written, written
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He was a dentist and he, he went and he visited, uh, well, he was a dentist and he, he observed
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in his patients in Cleveland that they were developing all sorts of facial deformities
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and behavioral difficulties, especially the children.
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And he thought it was something to do with the diet because they were starting to eat
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more and more industrially produced foods rather than the kind of foods that their parents
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and grandparents had eaten locally produced whole foods, animal foods, et cetera.
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He went on a globe trotting adventure looking for tribal societies that still at their traditional
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diets as a kind of comparison case for, you know, for people eating industrial diets in
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And I mean, he discovered, for instance, in the Scottish Highlands, the, the, the Highlanders
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of Scotland were once the tallest people in Europe.
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They were regularly six foot seven, six foot eight, seven feet tall, sometimes, you know,
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And then within a generation after they stopped eating their traditional diets, after they
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stopped eating fish livers baked with oats and, and, you know, lots of milk and butter
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and all that kind of stuff, started eating industrial food stuff, bleached flour, canned foods, all
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They shrank six inches, something like that in a generation.
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There was massive, massive shrinkage apparently.
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I mean, I still think Highlanders are tall, but, but so, so yes, I mean, I probably think
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And I do, I do think that there will be on a long enough timeline, then we will see, we
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will see something like, like what HG Wells describes in the time machine.
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I think, unless of course there are interventions with technology, maybe the, the sort of counter
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the, the, just the dysgenic influence of bad lifestyle, massive medication, inactive
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But I do think that what we're going to get is a, a self-selecting, very small, a much
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smaller minority, self-selecting, an in-group that, that sort of mates within the in-group.
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And it will, it will be a physical elite, but I think it will be a cognitive elite too.
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You have to understand obesity, lack of exercise, you know, they have epigenetic effects on every
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And I mean, I think that there was a study, I did see a study, I think that correlated
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Like also that's a really high correlate with high birth rate, unfortunately.
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So, so other than IQ, obesity, I think it's the second highest corollary with fertility
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rate, the genetic, so specifically here, what I'm saying is the polygenic scores.
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So like the genetic code that is associated with obesity is also heavily associated and
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can be used as a predictor for how many kids someone is going to have.
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So we will see, and it's being selected for almost as much as the one for low IQ is being
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So we're very likely to see a, a rapid rise in obesity, given that it's about as genetic
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as IQ and it's being selected for about as much as IQ.
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We should probably see the same one standard, but, but opposite one standard deviation shift
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upwards in obesity within the next 75 years in terms of the genetic correlates for it,
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which is at least within the mainstream population that isn't performing any sort of strong sexual
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selection practices, which is why it's important to begin to think about like, what do the sexual
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What are you telling your kids if they're going out there?
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And this is one of the really toxic things that I think comes from, you know, sort of
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If they're going out there and optimizing on banging hot chicks, that is not optimizing for
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genetic fitness in a world of things like Ozempic and stuff like that.
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You need to be banging and, or not even banging, you need to be marrying sane chicks.
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You can go out there and bang hot chicks, but you need to marry sane chicks.
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They are a far greater prize than a hot chick in today's environment.
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And it is very easy to accidentally, you know, marry someone who, who has these negative causes
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or negative genetic correlates when you didn't intend to, I'm not saying like the freeze amount.
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It depends on your culture's optimization, the culture that Simone and I would create for
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I would want them to marry people who are, you know, psychologically healthy and that,
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that have a, yeah, but it's up to the individual.
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I just think that this can be hidden from individuals.
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So it's, it's very easy to, to have a genetically permeable culture when you didn't intend to.
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I think that's, I mean, there's, yeah, I, I, I don't, I don't really know.
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I think that that's, I think that's, I think that's, that's, that's a tremendous way to
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And I think that there, I think that you're right about the limits of the, of the red
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I mean, I, I'm sure I probably get lumped in with, with these red pill kind of types,
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but I don't, I, I have a, a much more nuanced understanding, I think.
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And I try to put forward a much more nuanced interpretation of relations between men and women
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It's definitely, it's definitely more complicated than just, you know, the, the solution is to,
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as you say, is to go out and have sex with as many attractive women as possible, because
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of course, because of course, you know, there are, there are ways to make oneself attractive
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in the short term that actually have absolutely no correspondence whatsoever with long-term
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And, and I mean, they always say, you know, like you might want to sleep with a woman,
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but you might not necessarily going to be the woman you marry, is it?
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And I mean, that is, I think that is very true.
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And I think that, I think that we're in a difficult position because of course you need
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to be discerning, but it's actually becoming much harder to be discerning as well.
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I mean, I think you always should be discerning, but actually, um, the, the, the prize, the size
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of the prize, if you will, is shrinking and it is harder and harder, even with, even with
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dating apps and things like that, because actually in many respects, dating apps are a false
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economy, dating, dating apps, you know, they actually probably the kind of women and the
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kind of men that are on dating apps are probably of a very particular kind.
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And actually, if that is your sole pool for, for reproduction and the possibility of reproduction,
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then actually you may very well be filtering out precisely the kind of people that you
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should be meeting, that you would want, that ideally you would want to meet, but actually
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you're just never going to meet them because it's all the crazy BPD, BPD, crazy women
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Like, I feel like right now we're at this, this point in society where things could go
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one of many ways and the things that we do now, our actions can point us in one direction
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I think this is a great time to live because of that.
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Is there a direction in which you would like to nudge society?
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And if so, what would it produce over the long run?
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I suppose I would love to live, I would love to live in a society that valued health, that
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And, you know, I write about, I write about all sorts of things.
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I write about the way that the FDA licenses chemicals, for instance, the fact that we operate
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on a presumption of safe until proven otherwise.
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And I've said, well, actually, look, it's very obvious, actually, that many chemicals
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You can do these short-term studies, but actually you don't get any idea of the real effects
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of the chemicals until it's too late, until it's 70 years down the line and we're decades
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So, I mean, I would like to nudge society in a direction where actually we see the ultimate
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value, not as commercial value, not as money, but as actually the flourishing human life.
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That's what I would, which would be much, much closer to, you know, kind of ancient Greek
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conception of the good life of the kind of social life that should be fostered.
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You know, it's not just about, it's not just about money, it's not about the commercial
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applications of new products and new chemicals.
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And I'd also point out here, and I think that this is probably, I don't know if you, but
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I would definitely consider myself part of the red pill community.
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So when I'm saying the red pill community has these problems, I'm talking internally about
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the community, not as an outsider who's like, aha, silly red pillars.
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I'm more like, Hey, let's make sure that we, and I, and the community is maturing dramatically.
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Like if you look at where it is versus where it was 10 years ago, I think that it is the
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community that to a large extent has transformed into this, well, raw egg nationalism, right?
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I mean, I, I think, I think that, yeah, I think, I think you're right about that.
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I mean, I would, yeah, I mean, I, I, I'm red pilled in certain respects, and I certainly
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recognize that, you know, that a lot of, a lot of the stuff that even the sort of archetypal
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masculinity guru, you know, of the past said is true.
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And people like Hart East, for instance, who's a kind of, you know, do you remember Hart East?
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People like that, you know, they, a lot of the stuff that they said, particularly about
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And I think that people, people need to understand it.
00:24:44.100
There's a kind of, what I would say is that actually maybe as the red pill community has
00:24:48.780
become more popular, then of course it's been democratized and it's been watered down and
00:24:52.540
you get these people who just, you know, reheat these very, very old takes endlessly for, you
00:25:00.060
But actually, I think that the fundamental, the fundamental, the fundamental motivation behind
00:25:07.960
And I think, I think some of the fund, the fundamental insights are right as well too.
00:25:12.300
So it's really interesting the way that you're wording this, because this is giving me a bit
00:25:15.540
of a revelation is when I hear like red pill takes that remind me of red pill takes from
00:25:20.680
when the community was still just called red pill, right?
00:25:22.900
Like I'm like, oh, that's a really reused take.
00:25:26.060
And I think the reason is, is because the community really mined all of the ideas and all
00:25:31.060
of the, the, um, revelations that could have come from this world perspective was in its
00:25:36.340
first, like three and a half years of existing.
00:25:39.060
And now all of the evolutions of the movement are related on diverging ideals.
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Um, because all of the obvious takes were already mined.
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And so you still have some people like going over those obvious takes, but of course the
00:25:52.520
community would evolve and sort of undergo adaptive radiation.
00:25:59.440
I mean, I think what you're seeing is yes, is people actualizing the kind of red pill insights
00:26:06.620
And, you know, so you, you might have someone like Rollo Tomasi who's saying, you know, get
00:26:11.820
And, you know, I mean, you, I think you can agree with some of the stuff that Rollo Tomasi
00:26:15.420
has said at the same time is thinking, well, that's, that's deeply stupid.
00:26:19.440
I mean, I think a lot of men are right in thinking that they'll never get a fair deal in our
00:26:26.000
And that, you know, we can, I mean, as I've mentioned, a lot of this stuff is genetic.
00:26:30.320
You can be like a smart person and just understand that you have enormously low willpower and you're
00:26:34.980
never going to achieve what you want to achieve because you just don't have the willpower for
00:26:39.000
And, and we can say net up and try to push yourself through it.
00:26:43.140
But I think when I look at the, like the genetic research, I don't know if that's a fair
00:26:49.440
And I, and I mean, I think, I think as well, then you see a lot of, you see a lot of stupidity
00:26:55.380
on the, on the opposite or maybe not the, the opposing side, but the, for instance, like
00:26:59.260
the kind of trad side where people are saying, you know, everything will be fine if you just
00:27:04.300
I mean, people, people, people should get married, I think, and people should have children,
00:27:07.740
but that isn't, that's not the be all and end all that isn't, that isn't going to
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solve the, that isn't going to solve the fundamental problems that are, that have been
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raised, for instance, by the red pill community.
00:27:18.380
We have an episode about this that I'd point people to, because it's, it's one of my favorite
00:27:22.400
episodes, which is how girl defined ruined an entire generation of women.
00:27:26.560
And of course this was a play on the, you know, how Scott Pilgrim ruined an entire generation
00:27:32.380
But the idea being is that there was this conservative mindset for a while, the conservative
00:27:38.020
influence with online adapted and girl defined did this where they basically tell people,
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if you just live by these conservative rules and you get married and you save yourself
00:27:47.840
for marriage and you have kids, everything will be all right.
00:27:51.400
And the point we were making in that video is no, like, like specifically it wasn't even
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It's you will get the things that secular society has been promising you at a higher level than
00:28:03.640
you can achieve them through sexual, through secular society.
00:28:07.000
Like, you know, hedonistic sexual gratification, like relationship that works well without
00:28:17.280
The, the, the rewards for chastity and the rewards for willpower are not the same rewards
00:28:28.780
I think they're more meaningful rewards, but it's very easy to miss that.
00:28:32.220
It's a completely different optimization function and a different set of rewards you should be
00:28:37.060
And that just because you follow these rules doesn't mean that there aren't hard things
00:28:41.660
that you're going to have to go through every day.
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And also I think as well, there's a kind of, it's almost presented as a kind of Benedict
00:28:52.660
It's like, you know, you can, you can retreat from the world if you just get married and have
00:28:56.520
your nice trad family, you know, everything will be okay.
00:28:59.300
And, and as, as we know, you know, there's still public education system, massive propaganda
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We can't, we can't, we can't retreat from the world.
00:29:11.780
Well, and if we retreat, eventually the world is going to come for us, especially because
00:29:15.000
as Malcolm frequently points out, the sort of dominant culture doesn't have any other
00:29:19.760
way to get more members than by stealing them because they're not reproducing above
00:29:25.740
Also thinking long-term, one thing I wanted to ask you is what you think in 50 years, a hundred
00:29:30.240
years, 500 years is going to be seen as like completely barbaric about the way we live
00:29:35.120
Assuming that, you know, what we live, what, what people are like in the future has been
00:29:39.300
selected for, like, I mean, you know, those who survive, those who reproduce, what will
00:29:47.620
That's a, that's a, that's a very good question.
00:29:49.500
I mean, I think we're, we're already seeing, so, you know, I was talking about the advertising
00:29:53.580
for a Zen pic, we're already seeing this notion that it is, that it is basically barbaric to
00:30:00.000
suggest that people intervene to make their own lives better.
00:30:05.400
You know, it's like, no, you, no, you can't stop.
00:30:11.160
You cannot, you cannot get up off the sofa and.
00:30:18.800
I think we might get this video to demonetize for that kind of talk.
00:30:21.900
Yeah, but, but I think, but I think that what we're going to see is we're going to see
00:30:29.180
And I think that it will be pushed by big pharma because it's being pushed by big pharma.
00:30:34.360
Now it's Novo Nordisk who's paying for the advertising that says you can't get, you can't
00:30:41.640
So I think that, I mean, I think that if, if there is this split that I've posited, then
00:30:46.560
there may very well be, you know, one segment of society that just truly believes that actually
00:30:51.040
human beings are almost like inert, inert objects upon which external forces act.
00:30:59.360
And it is barbaric in any way to expect independent volition from, you know, your average fat or
00:31:06.080
from, from anybody, you know, from your average fatty.
00:31:08.440
So I think that what you might see then is you might see a, you, maybe you'll see a kind of
00:31:15.300
Ayn Randian split, you know, where you've got like these, these ultra high achieving physical
00:31:20.680
specimens who believe that actually any notion that, that, that anything is beyond your will
00:31:27.260
The notion that, you know, you should coddle people in any way.
00:31:31.680
These people who perhaps believe that actually you can't expect any willpower whatsoever on
00:31:36.540
any level from people, that people are just objects.
00:31:40.800
Well, and it is interesting to me that a lot of these things that are correlated with these
00:31:43.800
lower willpower groups are also correlated with a high fertility, which means that not
00:31:48.680
only is fertility drama and it's likely, I had to guess what's causing this.
00:31:52.460
It's likely that these are the kids, you know, as we say, there's really only two reasons
00:31:58.620
It's either because you have some exogenous ideological motivation, like that's what's
00:32:03.060
motivating you to do it, or you simply couldn't figure out birth control, you know, either
00:32:08.220
you lacked the initiative to think ahead or whatever.
00:32:11.240
And, and I think that that's why you're getting this correlation here, the welfare, the welfare
00:32:18.580
And so I think what this means is not only are kids dropping in the world, but even faster.
00:32:24.580
And I think the hidden thing that that's happening at a much higher rate is these high willpower
00:32:29.320
and other correlations, cultural groups or kids born into them, they are going to be
00:32:44.520
Because as Simone was saying, you know, the, the mainstream society needs these people and
00:32:51.420
That's why you can't just go Benedict because if you have kids, then you have the one asset
00:32:55.900
they really want and they will come in and they will find a way to take those kids from
00:33:00.020
And you can see this if you look at the, you know, highest profile people in our society,
00:33:05.480
Like they targeted his kids aggressively, right?
00:33:09.080
Like that is, is something that any of us should expect.
00:33:13.160
And we need to steal our children against and build communities for them and build systems
00:33:18.980
that help them find spouses in a world where it's going to become increasingly difficult.
00:33:23.360
And I do think it is a parent's failure as much as the kids.
00:33:26.960
If you can, if the kid cannot find a spouse, because that, that required your, you know,
00:33:31.080
your networking and your culture building and your advice.
00:33:33.720
If you put them in a situation without realizing how much the world was changing around you.
00:33:37.920
And I just can't tell it like kid, oh, just, you know, fucking go to a bar.
00:33:45.800
Yeah, no, I think, I think that's, I think that's very, very true.
00:33:49.340
I think the, I think the emphasis on parental, maybe that's another thing that will be, that
00:33:54.080
will be considered barbaric is leaving your children to defect, you know, to, to, to figure
00:34:00.420
I mean, that is a, that is a hallmark of the kind of boomer liberal sort of mode of parenting,
00:34:06.900
Is it's like, oh, you know, everyone, you have to be free to make your own mistakes,
00:34:10.580
but actually some mistakes are fatal and you can make fatal mistakes very early in your
00:34:17.800
You mentioned this is, is people often hear about our parenting strategy and they go, oh
00:34:21.000
my gosh, I can't believe you're going to tell your kids who to be, you know, you're
00:34:27.700
And it's like, this is what every culture throughout human history has done until you guys came along.
00:34:32.920
And the only reason why you're against this is because this is one of the tactics you
00:34:37.960
use to separate children from their support networks.
00:34:40.600
You know, as we always say, all cults, they need to separate individuals from their parents
00:34:45.820
And that's often what they focus on doing first.
00:34:47.820
So the mainstream society, the cult, you know, it, it tells kids, your parents giving you
00:34:54.260
advice on who to be or, or putting pressure on you in terms of who to be and what to achieve
00:34:59.260
in life that is intrinsically abusive, which is a great psychological tool.
00:35:05.500
If you are trying to pry children from high effectiveness cultures.
00:35:14.860
I mean, I do think the Elon, to go back to the Elon stuff, I mean, Elon stuff is quite
00:35:19.500
shocking, really, the way that his children have been targeted by trans activists and,
00:35:26.480
And not only have they done it, but they've also said, we're transing, we transed your
00:35:30.780
daughter, I think is what they said, or your son.
00:35:33.880
And yeah, it's, it's terrifying, but that is in a microcosm.
00:35:40.180
And, you know, I mean, parents, parents are shocked when they discover, you know, when
00:35:44.080
they see a photo of a classroom and they see all of the, all of the banners and the slogans
00:35:48.940
and the pride flags and the love is love and all this kind of stuff on the wall.
00:35:53.000
But it's like, you should know, you should, you should be taking enough of an interest
00:35:57.760
in your child's education to know that that is, that that stuff is on the wall and that
00:36:04.920
But, but people don't until it's, people don't until it's too late.
00:36:12.100
Like we get told online regularly, like we are going to target your kids.
00:36:15.540
Like that is our goal is to turn your kids against you in any way that we can.
00:36:22.040
Now, I will say, I think that the, the parts of the trans movement right now that have just
00:36:26.860
spiraled out of control, I think that they're actually, they won't be relevant by the time
00:36:30.820
my kids are growing up, they, they seem to have lost the, the will of the people, which
00:36:38.040
I think a lot of what I would consider the real trans movement.
00:36:40.340
I mean, there is, there is obviously an effect of all these endocrine disruptors in our
00:36:44.620
Like, like it would almost be surprising if we didn't see an explosion of actually people
00:36:50.220
So I, I feel for them being dragged through the mud by the crazy people, but those, those
00:36:58.340
And I wonder what the next movement, what the next iteration of crazy is going to be that
00:37:06.760
My guess right now, if I'm looking at things, it's going to be the negative utilitarian effilis.
00:37:14.160
I think that's going to be the next big movement, the voluntary extinction movement.
00:37:19.980
And I, well, I, yeah, and I think it's going to come hand in hand with the climate change
00:37:26.760
Well, I think it's going to be what the climate change movement transforms into.
00:37:29.560
So a portion of them will be motivated by climate change, but I think, and I see this
00:37:33.160
already because I think the climate change movement doesn't have the popular will it used
00:37:36.860
to, you know, you look at, there's a great study I think done on like Gen Z, it was looking
00:37:42.440
And they are actually much less environmentally friendly than previous generations.
00:37:46.020
They just actually aren't motivated by the climate change movement anymore.
00:37:49.320
They use people like Greta to speak to old people, but she was not actually effective
00:37:55.580
It's very, it's very noticeable when you look at these just stop oil protests, like you see,
00:37:59.880
you know, footage of the just stop oil protesters in London and they're sat on, they're sat on
00:38:06.960
It's all like retired school teachers and civil servants and doctors.
00:38:14.360
Young people don't give a shit about the environment, but, but I think that they're
00:38:16.980
moving because what does sell to young people is doomerism.
00:38:20.120
And that's what the negative utilitarians, that's what the antinatalists offer young people
00:38:26.320
They say humanity is a scourge and we need to end it.
00:38:30.700
And, and, and I think that those are going to be the groups that aggressively target our kids
00:38:34.580
the most is the ones who want them to hate their lives.
00:38:38.340
And I think that they are going to be surprised by how resistant our kids are to these messages
00:38:42.900
because we have had the fortune of seeing what happened to people like Elon and to build
00:38:50.820
very specific social tools and mechanisms for our kids so that they will be more protected
00:38:57.120
by people who want to indoctrinate them to punish their parents.
00:39:04.380
You are, you are, no, you are, you are, I mean this genuinely, you are good parents because
00:39:09.040
it is a, it is a, it is a, I mean, the world is terrible, full stop.
00:39:14.120
You know, there's been, the world has been terrible since its inception, but there are unique
00:39:20.340
problems, problems that are unique to our situation today.
00:39:23.780
And parents need to know about them and they need to do something about them.
00:39:27.580
They need to protect their children because once they're gone, they're gone.
00:39:32.840
I mean, no, historically, once they were gone, you know, you'd lose them to like, I don't
00:39:37.180
know, dyed hair for a few years or something like that.
00:39:39.980
And then they come back to you because they're like, oh, mom and dad, you were right.
00:39:45.880
They have developed more advanced procedures to ensure that.
00:39:49.960
And I, I do appreciate, you know, you, you saying there's a term that we used to use for
00:39:54.160
people like us face F but, but, but I, I appreciate your discretion in the public eye.
00:39:59.000
And it's, it's likely the best thing for your family, which, which is very understandable.
00:40:03.940
I would say guys, there's actually a lot of hope.
00:40:05.920
I mean, to be quite honest, Malcolm, the like Elphists and the environmental antinatalists,
00:40:12.020
like they aren't going to last longer than a couple generations.
00:40:15.520
And anyone who chooses to adopt that belief with every new generation is also not going
00:40:21.180
So I feel like over time, that kind of culture just isn't going to be able to spread because
00:40:26.020
over time, you know, basically anyone who might have that kind of tendency, they're being
00:40:30.580
selected against and, and memetically sterilized.
00:40:33.200
So I feel like the, the future that we can expect, especially in a post, like a postmodern
00:40:39.960
world with lots of technology is going to be very pronatalist because everyone else is
00:40:48.240
We got to, but what I'm saying is who's going to be targeting our kids.
00:40:57.000
Anyway, I, I am so excited that we had you on again.
00:41:03.300
I really liked it and I hope our audience does as well.
00:41:05.900
And they should really check out your sub stack, your Twitter, which is again, baby gravy
00:41:13.880
Friends world magazine, plus all of rag nationalists, existing books on Amazon.
00:41:17.800
There are four, but there is a fifth one on the way.
00:41:20.620
And if you go to a sub stack, you may get some sneak peeks of it.
00:41:29.160
You're, you're, you're really interesting people to talk to.
00:41:32.440
And this is, this has been a really fascinating conversation.
00:41:37.500
We want to have more conversations like these and yeah.