Based Camp - Splitting Humanity： Physical Elites, Cognitive Elites, & The Drugged Masses (Raw Egg Nationalist)

00:00:00.580 Hello, this is Malcolm Collins here with Simone, and we are joined by Raw Egg Nationalists.

00:00:06.820 I would be very surprised if there are members of our audience who don't know who he is,

00:00:12.420 but he's really an influencer in sort of the conservative lifestyle space, specifically

00:00:18.220 focused on trying to raise awareness around the feminization of the male body due to things

00:00:24.580 like endocrine disruptors.

00:00:25.860 If you want to follow him on Twitter, his at is babygravy9, and he's written five books

00:00:33.580 at this point.

00:00:34.340 He's got a sub stack you can check out, and yeah.

00:00:37.540 And a magazine, Man's World.

00:00:39.300 Magazine, oh yes, of course, Man's World, and it's going to have a physical edition soon,

00:00:43.120 I've heard, which is pretty cool.

00:00:44.620 I'd like to see that in stores.

00:00:46.260 Of course, the powers that be, well, probably never let that happen so long as it keeps being

00:00:51.620 honest.

00:00:52.000 Um, but, uh, the topic that I wanted to focus on today was where do you think society is

00:01:01.200 going like 500 years in the future?

00:01:03.760 And you can chart this in steps, like where you think things are going in 20 years, 50

00:01:07.340 years, 100 years, et cetera.

00:01:08.940 So let's go.

00:01:10.740 Well, it's, it's great to be back.

00:01:12.420 We had such a wonderful conversation last time.

00:01:14.340 I'm, I'm sure this is, this is going to be fantastic too.

00:01:16.780 So fundamentally, I think I have a, I have a kind of HG Wells-esque vision of the future.

00:01:23.440 I think that what we're going to see is we're going to see a kind of, a kind of split in

00:01:30.100 the human race.

00:01:30.980 I think, I mean, I like to, I'm a, I'm an optimist or I try to be an optimist in many

00:01:36.920 ways about people's ability to take control of their lives.

00:01:41.980 You know, I mean, I tell people, look, there are simple things that you can do.

00:01:45.340 You're overweight.

00:01:46.160 You can lose weight.

00:01:47.420 You know, you, you can stop eating as much food as you're eating.

00:01:50.540 You can get active.

00:01:52.300 You can reduce your exposure to endocrine disruptors and, you know, you can transform your life.

00:01:57.220 You will be, if you do that, you will be unrecognizable in a year, three years, five years, you'll

00:02:02.800 be a totally different person.

00:02:03.840 But on my slightly less optimistic days, and I do think that actually there is a large segment

00:02:11.680 of the population that now will find it impossible not to be enormously unhealthy, to be dysgenically 0.95

00:02:19.160 unhealthy.

00:02:20.680 And I mean, you only need to look at the emergence of drugs like a Zempic, for instance, Wegavi,

00:02:26.940 you know, these, these fat loss miracle, miracle drugs that are being marketed now, you know,

00:02:32.300 I mean, they're being explicitly marketed on the, on the assumption that the majority of people

00:02:40.280 just can't lose weight any other way.

00:02:42.260 Yeah.

00:02:43.080 We, we can't reform society in, in ways that will make it easier for people to make the right choices.

00:02:49.940 And so what you have to do is you have to rely on farmer to do it.

00:02:53.840 So that's, so this is, this is really where I think it comes in.

00:02:57.200 I think there will be a, there will be fundamentally, I don't know what point, maybe it's happening

00:03:01.160 right now, there will be a kind of selection event almost where people with willpower will

00:03:07.100 kind of, will kind of break away from the rest of society into a kind of a physical elite,

00:03:12.940 I think.

00:03:14.460 Yeah.

00:03:14.980 I, I, I, one thing I want to add to this because I think it's really interesting and this for

00:03:18.980 me has been a big turnaround in my relationship with people of rotundity, which is contextualizing

00:03:27.620 for myself that obesity is about as genetic as IQ.

00:03:31.080 So very genetic, like 0.8.

00:03:33.660 However, it does not appear from my research that this level of genetic correlation with

00:03:38.700 obesity is due to any biological change.

00:03:41.720 It's not like these people have higher or lower metabolism.

00:03:44.380 Actually human metabolism does not change that much.

00:03:46.540 It would make a difference if you're going like two and a half standard deviations from

00:03:49.740 the norm of like 200 calories a day.

00:03:52.540 So like a candy bar and that's it.

00:03:55.180 So what, what is really then happening here with obesity, I think to what you're getting

00:04:00.920 is that willpower is enormously genetic.

00:04:04.400 And so it would make sense what you're talking about.

00:04:07.020 If you begin to have people separating out, you will have, and I think that this is very

00:04:12.960 different from what a lot of people anticipate, which is like, oh, society will split into like

00:04:16.600 a high IQ and low IQ group.

00:04:18.040 Um, whereas you're saying, no, it's going to split into maybe a high willpower, low willpower

00:04:22.820 group, which I could see.

00:04:24.500 I'd be, I'd be much more interested in marrying a high willpower person than a high IQ person.

00:04:29.260 Well, I think the, what's going on with Osempic and we go via all those semaglutide interventions

00:04:34.000 is it really does demonstrate that this is a willpower thing.

00:04:38.280 Why is that the case?

00:04:39.600 Well, these don't actually slow your metabolism.

00:04:41.720 They make you feel less hungry.

00:04:43.680 So what they're really controlling is willpower in a sense and not, not actual metabolism,

00:04:49.800 which is really, in fact, they're, they're adversely affecting your metabolism because

00:04:52.600 when you lose so much weight, your metabolism drops and then people go off it.

00:04:55.980 And of course they gain weight super fast because their body's like, oh, we're starving.

00:04:59.240 So, yeah.

00:04:59.920 And what, and what also happens is of course that there've been a couple of studies that

00:05:03.820 have showed this, but you don't just lose fat.

00:05:06.080 You lose muscle.

00:05:06.560 You lose a lot of muscle.

00:05:07.360 And muscle is much more metabolically expensive to maintain than fat.

00:05:13.000 So actually, oh, you lose, you lose 200 pounds or whatever, but you've actually lost a huge

00:05:18.040 amount of skeletal muscle.

00:05:19.720 Unless you're actively weight training while you're losing.

00:05:21.640 Like there are some like nerds who are definitely going for that.

00:05:24.180 Like they're really like, they're aware of the problem.

00:05:27.500 Like that's like, first off, if you're disciplined enough to lift weights while you're, you know,

00:05:31.900 going through this, then you're probably not the kind of person who absolutely needs to

00:05:35.480 use semaglutide.

00:05:36.820 No, exactly.

00:05:37.740 So it's.

00:05:38.560 But what they're, and what they're talking about as well is they're talking about using

00:05:41.900 a Zempic and other GLP-1 receptor agonists.

00:05:45.420 That's the class of drugs that Zempic belongs to.

00:05:48.340 They're talking about using them now to treat other forms of addiction.

00:05:51.560 They're talking about using them to treat alcoholism, for instance.

00:05:54.920 Yeah.

00:05:55.640 Yeah.

00:05:55.960 Yeah.

00:05:56.480 I was just having a conversation with an obesity doctor and another super smart guy about

00:06:01.360 this.

00:06:01.760 And for example, we've had naltrexone forever to treat alcoholism and a bunch of other forms

00:06:06.340 of addiction, but people don't really like how it makes them feel, right?

00:06:09.300 Because nothing's really that much fun.

00:06:11.540 And you know, these, these new, this new class of drugs is a lot more pleasant to use, even

00:06:16.400 though there are some unpleasant side effects.

00:06:17.840 So yeah, it could have a really interesting effect.

00:06:19.900 And it is interesting.

00:06:20.560 I want to see a lot more research on the effects that these do have.

00:06:24.320 Even like people have, I don't know how, how much this is anecdotal for people or a placebo

00:06:28.280 effect, you know, reporting less time on social media, less time gambling, et cetera.

00:06:32.760 It's super interesting.

00:06:34.700 Well, the side, the side effects of, of semaglutide and these other drugs are very interesting.

00:06:39.780 I've written, written quite, quite at length about them.

00:06:43.720 I wrote a piece, I wrote a piece for American mind called Fatty's Little Helper.

00:06:47.800 And it was, I mean, I talked at length about the side effects in particular, and they're

00:06:54.080 nasty.

00:06:54.780 They're really nasty. 0.99

00:06:55.500 And people are, people are starting to realize now.

00:06:58.100 So one of the, one of the increased risks from a zempic is inhaling the contents of your 1.00

00:07:03.760 stomach.

00:07:04.860 So if you, yeah, so a zempic, it normally your stomach empties in a few hours. 1.00

00:07:10.200 And what a zempic does is it, is it slows the movement of food out of your stomach to a 1.00

00:07:16.040 rate of, I mean, it basically doesn't move at all.

00:07:18.420 And in fact, you can get stomach paralysis, but it might take three weeks for your stomach

00:07:22.840 to empty rather than three weeks.

00:07:25.420 Yeah.

00:07:25.900 So what happens is if you're, if you're fat and you are on a zempic, you're probably, 1.00

00:07:31.160 I mean, hugely fat now, you're likely to have a gastric bypass as well.

00:07:35.660 They're recommending bariatric surgery in, in conjunction with use of a zempic.

00:07:40.600 Well, you lay, you lay down on the table, your stomach is still full.

00:07:44.780 And, and so the gastric juices and the food in your stomach comes back up out of your

00:07:49.760 throat and you inhale it into your lungs and you can, you can die. 1.00

00:07:53.340 Fuck. 1.00

00:07:54.100 But that is, that is called gastroparesis. 1.00

00:07:57.740 Wow.

00:07:58.020 Is it gastroparesis?

00:07:59.520 No.

00:08:00.160 Well, I don't know.

00:08:00.640 I imagine these people, they don't adapt to the new behavior immediately.

00:08:03.780 So they're probably overeating for their new digestive.

00:08:07.660 Yeah.

00:08:08.400 But that's a, so that's a, that's a serious risk.

00:08:10.640 The other risk is of chronic obstructive, chronic obstructions in the, in the intestines.

00:08:16.060 So they reckon that that might be how Lisa Marie Presley died or Priscilla Presley.

00:08:20.620 I forget which, which she had, she'd been on a mega, a mega weight loss drive before the 1.00

00:08:27.240 premiere of the new Elvis film.

00:08:29.240 And she had already had bariatric surgery because she'd struggled with weight in the past.

00:08:35.160 Bariatric surgery scars the intestines and it can make them sort of ruckle up almost.

00:08:42.260 And it makes it harder for food to pass through.

00:08:44.920 Well, then you take a Zen pick as well.

00:08:46.740 And I think she was on opioids and it just slows to a slow, the food basically doesn't

00:08:52.100 move and you get an obstruction.

00:08:53.300 And that's how she died.

00:08:54.540 She died of a, of a bowel obstruction.

00:08:56.560 So there's that as well.

00:08:58.280 But then, but then there's also the fact that in rat studies, in rodent studies, then these

00:09:04.060 GLP one agonist drugs like semaglutide and others reliably cause thyroid tumors in the

00:09:11.120 longterm.

00:09:11.560 Oh, interesting.

00:09:13.020 Can you quickly go over if you happen to know the mechanism of action of these drugs?

00:09:19.800 So they, they, Oh God, what is it?

00:09:23.040 I think it's either, it's, it's either, I think it's either ghrelin or leptin.

00:09:26.960 They work on the receptors in the stomach that signals satiety, basically.

00:09:33.540 I don't know the exact mechanism.

00:09:35.060 So they, they signal to your brain that you're, that you're satiated, but they also slow the

00:09:40.020 digestion of your stomach, slow the movement of things from your stomach.

00:09:43.160 So you, you are actually more full.

00:09:45.160 So Simone, you were saying that they could be used for alcohol.

00:09:47.740 How would that work?

00:09:48.960 Yeah, I don't.

00:09:49.520 So that's, that's what I, so what Ryag Nationalist said is, is what I understand as well, that

00:09:54.220 that affects satiety and slows digestion. 0.54

00:09:56.980 I don't know how or why this would affect.

00:09:59.740 I think people are getting confused with opioid.

00:10:01.820 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:10:04.120 Because again, people taking these drugs are reporting these other effects.

00:10:07.840 What I think is happening here is, you know how they say, never go shopping hungry.

00:10:11.400 I think that when people feel hungry, they also are engaging in more impulsive behavior.

00:10:16.520 And, and that, that I think is what may be at play when you feel really full.

00:10:21.820 Are you like super keen?

00:10:23.520 Like imagine you used to eat like a giant holiday meal.

00:10:26.120 Like, do you want to go?

00:10:27.400 Oh, that's fascinating.

00:10:28.220 You know, another fascinating effect of this is that sexuality changes when people are hungry.

00:10:33.120 If you remember this from our book, if these drugs become more common,

00:10:37.380 we could see changes in human sexuality.

00:10:39.060 Some really obvious ones are men prefer smaller breasts when they're less hungry, 0.80

00:10:44.540 and they prefer larger breasts when they're more hungry. 1.00

00:10:47.060 This is also true of poor versus wealthy men.

00:10:49.300 Basically, if you're resource scarce, you're going to optimize for women who look like 1.00

00:10:52.840 they have more access to resources.

00:10:55.620 So ladies, schedule your breast reduction surgery. 1.00

00:10:58.200 Yeah, or if you, you, you have access to copious resources as a man,

00:11:01.700 you're typically going to optimize for women who look like they have a longer reproductive 0.94

00:11:04.660 cycle, i.e. are younger.

00:11:06.880 So that's really interesting as well.

00:11:08.380 I wonder if in women there's similar like, like sexual changes when they're, 0.97

00:11:12.040 when they're not hungry.

00:11:13.940 Well, there, I mean, there have been, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure they're probably,

00:11:16.920 I'm sure they probably are.

00:11:18.200 I know, I mean, I know that there are, that there are certainly studies that show that

00:11:21.500 women's mate preferences change when they go on and come off hormonal contraception. 1.00

00:11:26.180 That's a big one.

00:11:27.500 That's a big one.

00:11:28.540 And, you know, it's been shown that, that I think that women, women, when they're on, 0.88

00:11:32.700 I can't remember whether it's when they're on contraception or when they're off, that

00:11:36.280 they prefer more masculine faces and obviously more masculine faces that have higher levels

00:11:40.640 of testosterone.

00:11:42.160 But yeah, so I would, I would, I mean, all of these hormones, I think what we have to

00:11:45.260 remember is that these hormones have all sorts of effects.

00:11:48.220 You know, we, we talked in the last episode about testosterone as the aggressive hormone that

00:11:53.000 people just think it's about aggression when actually it regulates almost every kind of

00:11:57.960 behavior you can think, every type of behavior you can think of in men and in women as well.

00:12:02.780 And I think that even appetite hormones like ghrelin and leptin and things like that, then

00:12:07.940 they must obviously be involved in very complicated circuits of, of reward and appetite and, and

00:12:17.240 will within the brain.

00:12:18.860 So yes, I mean, I think that, yeah, I think, I think you could definitely, you, you, if

00:12:23.500 they haven't done a study of women's sexual preferences, when they're hungry and when

00:12:26.920 they're satiated, then they should.

00:12:28.660 I just pulled one up by the way.

00:12:29.920 Okay.

00:12:30.140 So here are the differences.

00:12:32.440 So this one looked at men and women.

00:12:34.100 So for men, it found that hungry males in line was what I was saying preferred females 0.52

00:12:37.920 was more physically mature features, specifically females who were heavier, taller, and older. 1.00

00:12:43.600 Female participants who are hungry showed elevated preferences for partners with a more

00:12:48.300 mature personality profile.

00:12:51.460 So like beards?

00:12:53.320 No, personality profile, i.e. less probably impulsive, more muted, like an old man. 0.73

00:13:02.180 Because when a woman is full, then she's probably into like younger, more risky-seving men? 1.00

00:13:06.800 Is that what you're talking about?

00:13:07.100 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:07.480 That's my guess.

00:13:08.220 It's probably this like alpha.

00:13:09.940 They're like, when I think what is a young personality profile for a male, it's the typical

00:13:14.040 alpha profile.

00:13:15.460 Someone who will go out and like kill something for them to eat. 0.54

00:13:18.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:19.340 Well, and who's constantly signaling their virtue, like, well, not their virtue, but their,

00:13:23.800 what's the word I'm looking for?

00:13:25.200 Prowess.

00:13:25.920 Yeah, prowess, dominance, et cetera.

00:13:27.840 Yeah.

00:13:28.420 Whereas older men are typically not signaling those things as much.

00:13:31.280 I'm pretty sure that's specifically what they're looking at, which is interesting because

00:13:35.000 it could mean that a lot of these alpha mindsets are going to be less attractive to

00:13:38.860 women in the near future if they're all on an Olympic. 1.00

00:13:41.860 Yeah, I mean, I would be more interested.

00:13:45.080 I mean, like, so I think a woman is more likely to want to date someone on an Olympic

00:13:49.620 than a man.

00:13:50.560 And I say this because like men on an Olympic, you know, I mean, pretty much anyone on an

00:13:55.480 Olympic either has really good health insurance that can pay for it or they're wealthy, right?

00:13:58.820 Because this is not cheap stuff. 0.96

00:14:00.320 Well, men on an Olympic are going to like fat women. 1.00

00:14:02.160 That's what the studies show.

00:14:03.460 You know, you're more into older, fatter women. 1.00

00:14:05.320 I think women are going to be really pushing this. 1.00

00:14:07.680 Yeah.

00:14:08.820 Well, I mean, yeah.

00:14:09.680 So then that's, that's fortunate, but I, yeah, I mean, I, I'm just trying to think of

00:14:13.200 the correlatory factors with who's taking a Zempic.

00:14:15.760 I think men are going to prefer women who are not taking a Zempic, so. 1.00

00:14:20.060 Why do you say that?

00:14:21.560 Because they're, they're, they've better inhibitory control and they're probably.

00:14:25.340 Most men don't care. 0.63

00:14:26.420 They just care what women look like. 1.00

00:14:27.680 That's true.

00:14:28.340 Fair.

00:14:29.340 Oh, well.

00:14:30.820 Okay.

00:14:31.180 Let's, let's talk about this split in humanity, right?

00:14:33.940 High will, low will category, but they may look fairly similar.

00:14:37.440 It's just the amount of drugs that they're using.

00:14:39.100 Like, what are your thoughts on that?

00:14:41.060 I, I think, I think we may very well see physical differences start to emerge.

00:14:46.380 Now, I don't know.

00:14:47.660 I'm not any kind of genetic specialist, so I can't tell you how many, how many generations

00:14:52.380 it takes, for instance.

00:14:53.660 It happens really quick, by the way.

00:14:55.060 Yeah.

00:14:55.580 Yeah.

00:14:55.840 Well, well, I mean, I've read one of my favorite books is Western Price, Nutrition and Physical

00:15:01.420 Degeneration.

00:15:02.100 This is an amazing, it's what I think it's the best book on nutrition ever written, written

00:15:07.280 in the, written in the 1930s.

00:15:09.160 He was a dentist and he, he went and he visited, uh, well, he was a dentist and he, he observed

00:15:15.700 in his patients in Cleveland that they were developing all sorts of facial deformities

00:15:20.920 and behavioral difficulties, especially the children.

00:15:23.880 And he thought it was something to do with the diet because they were starting to eat

00:15:28.300 more and more industrially produced foods rather than the kind of foods that their parents

00:15:32.920 and grandparents had eaten locally produced whole foods, animal foods, et cetera.

00:15:37.280 He went on a globe trotting adventure looking for tribal societies that still at their traditional 1.00

00:15:42.520 diets as a kind of comparison case for, you know, for people eating industrial diets in

00:15:48.800 the West.

00:15:49.800 And I mean, he discovered, for instance, in the Scottish Highlands, the, the, the Highlanders

00:15:55.220 of Scotland were once the tallest people in Europe.

00:15:57.520 They were regularly six foot seven, six foot eight, seven feet tall, sometimes, you know,

00:16:02.520 hugely tall people.

00:16:03.700 And then within a generation after they stopped eating their traditional diets, after they

00:16:09.440 stopped eating fish livers baked with oats and, and, you know, lots of milk and butter

00:16:15.700 and all that kind of stuff, started eating industrial food stuff, bleached flour, canned foods, all

00:16:22.400 that kind of stuff.

00:16:22.980 They shrank six inches, something like that in a generation. 0.90

00:16:26.680 Yeah.

00:16:26.780 There was massive, massive shrinkage apparently.

00:16:28.840 I mean, I still think Highlanders are tall, but, but so, so yes, I mean, I probably think

00:16:34.000 it could happen quite quickly.

00:16:35.480 And I do, I do think that there will be on a long enough timeline, then we will see, we

00:16:41.340 will see something like, like what HG Wells describes in the time machine.

00:16:45.260 I think, unless of course there are interventions with technology, maybe the, the sort of counter

00:16:51.540 the, the, just the dysgenic influence of bad lifestyle, massive medication, inactive

00:16:58.820 negativity, all that kind of stuff.

00:17:00.340 But I do think that what we're going to get is a, a self-selecting, very small, a much

00:17:04.860 smaller minority, self-selecting, an in-group that, that sort of mates within the in-group.

00:17:11.240 And it will, it will be a physical elite, but I think it will be a cognitive elite too.

00:17:14.820 I mean, bad life, bad lifestyles.

00:17:17.080 You have to understand obesity, lack of exercise, you know, they have epigenetic effects on every

00:17:22.640 aspect of your body, including your brain.

00:17:24.840 And I mean, I think that there was a study, I did see a study, I think that correlated

00:17:30.500 obesity with IQ, some, something.

00:17:33.740 Yeah.

00:17:34.240 Well, they do seem to correlate in general.

00:17:36.860 Like also that's a really high correlate with high birth rate, unfortunately.

00:17:40.920 So, so other than IQ, obesity, I think it's the second highest corollary with fertility 0.52

00:17:45.800 rate, the genetic, so specifically here, what I'm saying is the polygenic scores.

00:17:51.160 So like the genetic code that is associated with obesity is also heavily associated and

00:17:57.280 can be used as a predictor for how many kids someone is going to have.

00:18:01.920 So we will see, and it's being selected for almost as much as the one for low IQ is being

00:18:06.660 selected for.

00:18:07.500 So we're very likely to see a, a rapid rise in obesity, given that it's about as genetic

00:18:13.780 as IQ and it's being selected for about as much as IQ.

00:18:16.900 We should probably see the same one standard, but, but opposite one standard deviation shift

00:18:23.640 upwards in obesity within the next 75 years in terms of the genetic correlates for it,

00:18:28.340 which is at least within the mainstream population that isn't performing any sort of strong sexual

00:18:34.040 selection practices, which is why it's important to begin to think about like, what do the sexual

00:18:38.980 selection practices of your family look like?

00:18:41.140 What are you telling your kids if they're going out there?

00:18:44.020 And this is one of the really toxic things that I think comes from, you know, sort of

00:18:47.500 the, the red pill mindset.

00:18:49.920 If they're going out there and optimizing on banging hot chicks, that is not optimizing for 1.00

00:18:55.000 genetic fitness in a world of things like Ozempic and stuff like that.

00:18:59.260 You need to be banging and, or not even banging, you need to be marrying sane chicks. 1.00

00:19:04.460 You can go out there and bang hot chicks, but you need to marry sane chicks. 1.00

00:19:08.380 And there are not many of them.

00:19:10.020 They are a far greater prize than a hot chick in today's environment.

00:19:15.140 And it is very easy to accidentally, you know, marry someone who, who has these negative causes

00:19:20.640 or negative genetic correlates when you didn't intend to, I'm not saying like the freeze amount.

00:19:26.240 It depends on your culture's optimization, the culture that Simone and I would create for

00:19:30.860 our kids.

00:19:31.200 I would want them to marry people who are, you know, psychologically healthy and that,

00:19:35.700 that have a, yeah, but it's up to the individual.

00:19:39.200 I just think that this can be hidden from individuals.

00:19:41.060 So it's, it's very easy to, to have a genetically permeable culture when you didn't intend to.

00:19:48.380 Yeah.

00:19:48.880 Yeah.

00:19:49.120 I think that's, I mean, there's, yeah, I, I, I don't, I don't really know.

00:19:55.700 I don't really know what to add to that.

00:19:57.240 Actually, that's what I'll say.

00:19:58.100 I think that that's, I think that's, I think that's, that's, that's a tremendous way to

00:20:01.360 put it.

00:20:01.760 And I think that there, I think that you're right about the limits of the, of the red 0.86

00:20:04.920 pill mindset.

00:20:05.500 I mean, I, I'm sure I probably get lumped in with, with these red pill kind of types, 1.00

00:20:10.480 but I don't, I, I have a, a much more nuanced understanding, I think.

00:20:14.260 And I try to put forward a much more nuanced interpretation of relations between men and women

00:20:19.640 than a lot of these kind of red pill gurus do.

00:20:23.140 It's definitely, it's definitely more complicated than just, you know, the, the solution is to, 0.96

00:20:27.700 as you say, is to go out and have sex with as many attractive women as possible, because 0.99

00:20:31.580 of course, because of course, you know, there are, there are ways to make oneself attractive

00:20:36.600 in the short term that actually have absolutely no correspondence whatsoever with long-term

00:20:41.860 fitness, you know?

00:20:43.180 And, and I mean, they always say, you know, like you might want to sleep with a woman,

00:20:47.120 but you might not necessarily going to be the woman you marry, is it?

00:20:50.140 And I mean, that is, I think that is very true.

00:20:53.600 And I think that, I think that we're in a difficult position because of course you need

00:20:58.460 to be discerning, but it's actually becoming much harder to be discerning as well.

00:21:02.040 I mean, I think you always should be discerning, but actually, um, the, the, the prize, the size

00:21:07.840 of the prize, if you will, is shrinking and it is harder and harder, even with, even with

00:21:12.760 dating apps and things like that, because actually in many respects, dating apps are a false

00:21:17.060 economy, dating, dating apps, you know, they actually probably the kind of women and the 1.00

00:21:22.220 kind of men that are on dating apps are probably of a very particular kind.

00:21:25.500 And actually, if that is your sole pool for, for reproduction and the possibility of reproduction,

00:21:31.940 then actually you may very well be filtering out precisely the kind of people that you

00:21:37.040 should be meeting, that you would want, that ideally you would want to meet, but actually 0.87

00:21:41.080 you're just never going to meet them because it's all the crazy BPD, BPD, crazy women 1.00

00:21:46.040 on that. 0.63

00:21:47.620 Yeah.

00:21:48.020 We see that a lot in, in the far future.

00:21:52.400 What would you hope for?

00:21:54.340 Like, I feel like right now we're at this, this point in society where things could go

00:21:58.720 one of many ways and the things that we do now, our actions can point us in one direction

00:22:06.100 or another.

00:22:06.600 I think this is a great time to live because of that.

00:22:08.920 Is there a direction in which you would like to nudge society?

00:22:11.900 And if so, what would it produce over the long run?

00:22:16.480 I suppose I would love to live, I would love to live in a society that valued health, that

00:22:22.060 valued true health.

00:22:23.660 And because of course we don't.

00:22:25.380 And, you know, I write about, I write about all sorts of things.

00:22:29.320 I write about the way that the FDA licenses chemicals, for instance, the fact that we operate

00:22:33.960 on a presumption of safe until proven otherwise.

00:22:36.580 And I've said, well, actually, look, it's very obvious, actually, that many chemicals

00:22:40.960 are extremely harmful in the long term.

00:22:43.240 You can do these short-term studies, but actually you don't get any idea of the real effects

00:22:47.440 of the chemicals until it's too late, until it's 70 years down the line and we're decades

00:22:52.480 away from a profound reproductive crisis.

00:22:55.260 So, I mean, I would like to nudge society in a direction where actually we see the ultimate

00:23:01.880 value, not as commercial value, not as money, but as actually the flourishing human life.

00:23:10.820 That's what I would, which would be much, much closer to, you know, kind of ancient Greek

00:23:14.540 conception of the good life of the kind of social life that should be fostered.

00:23:21.340 You know, it's not just about, it's not just about money, it's not about the commercial

00:23:24.440 applications of new products and new chemicals.

00:23:27.680 It's actually about how do we live?

00:23:30.700 How should we live, you know?

00:23:32.400 Yeah.

00:23:32.720 And I'd also point out here, and I think that this is probably, I don't know if you, but

00:23:36.280 I would definitely consider myself part of the red pill community. 1.00

00:23:38.980 So when I'm saying the red pill community has these problems, I'm talking internally about 0.70

00:23:43.580 the community, not as an outsider who's like, aha, silly red pillars.

00:23:47.540 I'm more like, Hey, let's make sure that we, and I, and the community is maturing dramatically.

00:23:52.220 Like if you look at where it is versus where it was 10 years ago, I think that it is the

00:23:58.940 community that to a large extent has transformed into this, well, raw egg nationalism, right?

00:24:06.180 Yeah.

00:24:06.960 I mean, I, I think, I think that, yeah, I think, I think you're right about that.

00:24:11.000 I think you're right about that.

00:24:11.900 I mean, I would, yeah, I mean, I, I, I'm red pilled in certain respects, and I certainly

00:24:16.080 recognize that, you know, that a lot of, a lot of the stuff that even the sort of archetypal

00:24:22.080 masculinity guru, you know, of the past said is true.

00:24:26.220 And people like Hart East, for instance, who's a kind of, you know, do you remember Hart East?

00:24:31.140 He was, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:32.800 People like that, you know, they, a lot of the stuff that they said, particularly about

00:24:36.040 hypergamy, that kind of stuff. 0.97

00:24:37.960 I mean, it's totally, it's totally true.

00:24:39.620 It's totally true.

00:24:40.720 And I think that people, people need to understand it.

00:24:44.100 There's a kind of, what I would say is that actually maybe as the red pill community has 0.91

00:24:48.780 become more popular, then of course it's been democratized and it's been watered down and

00:24:52.540 you get these people who just, you know, reheat these very, very old takes endlessly for, you

00:24:58.600 know, for likes on social media.

00:25:00.060 But actually, I think that the fundamental, the fundamental, the fundamental motivation behind

00:25:05.100 the red pill community, I think is, is right. 1.00

00:25:07.960 And I think, I think some of the fund, the fundamental insights are right as well too.

00:25:12.300 So it's really interesting the way that you're wording this, because this is giving me a bit

00:25:15.540 of a revelation is when I hear like red pill takes that remind me of red pill takes from

00:25:20.680 when the community was still just called red pill, right?

00:25:22.900 Like I'm like, oh, that's a really reused take.

00:25:25.120 Like that's really old.

00:25:26.060 And I think the reason is, is because the community really mined all of the ideas and all

00:25:31.060 of the, the, um, revelations that could have come from this world perspective was in its

00:25:36.340 first, like three and a half years of existing.

00:25:39.060 And now all of the evolutions of the movement are related on diverging ideals.

00:25:45.900 Um, because all of the obvious takes were already mined.

00:25:49.020 And so you still have some people like going over those obvious takes, but of course the

00:25:52.520 community would evolve and sort of undergo adaptive radiation.

00:25:55.960 Yeah, yeah, precisely, precisely.

00:25:59.440 I mean, I think what you're seeing is yes, is people actualizing the kind of red pill insights

00:26:05.340 in different ways.

00:26:06.620 And, you know, so you, you might have someone like Rollo Tomasi who's saying, you know, get

00:26:10.560 a vasectomy.

00:26:11.820 And, you know, I mean, you, I think you can agree with some of the stuff that Rollo Tomasi 1.00

00:26:15.420 has said at the same time is thinking, well, that's, that's deeply stupid. 0.94

00:26:19.440 I mean, I think a lot of men are right in thinking that they'll never get a fair deal in our 0.99

00:26:24.720 society right now.

00:26:26.000 And that, you know, we can, I mean, as I've mentioned, a lot of this stuff is genetic.

00:26:30.320 You can be like a smart person and just understand that you have enormously low willpower and you're

00:26:34.980 never going to achieve what you want to achieve because you just don't have the willpower for

00:26:38.480 it.

00:26:39.000 And, and we can say net up and try to push yourself through it.

00:26:43.140 But I think when I look at the, like the genetic research, I don't know if that's a fair

00:26:46.760 thing for me to be telling people.

00:26:49.360 Yeah. 1.00

00:26:49.440 And I, and I mean, I think, I think as well, then you see a lot of, you see a lot of stupidity 0.99

00:26:55.380 on the, on the opposite or maybe not the, the opposing side, but the, for instance, like 0.97

00:26:59.260 the kind of trad side where people are saying, you know, everything will be fine if you just

00:27:02.840 get married and have kids.

00:27:04.300 I mean, people, people, people should get married, I think, and people should have children,

00:27:07.740 but that isn't, that's not the be all and end all that isn't, that isn't going to

00:27:11.960 solve the, that isn't going to solve the fundamental problems that are, that have been

00:27:16.100 raised, for instance, by the red pill community. 0.94

00:27:18.380 We have an episode about this that I'd point people to, because it's, it's one of my favorite

00:27:22.400 episodes, which is how girl defined ruined an entire generation of women. 1.00

00:27:26.560 And of course this was a play on the, you know, how Scott Pilgrim ruined an entire generation

00:27:31.500 of women.

00:27:32.380 But the idea being is that there was this conservative mindset for a while, the conservative

00:27:38.020 influence with online adapted and girl defined did this where they basically tell people,

00:27:42.520 if you just live by these conservative rules and you get married and you save yourself

00:27:47.840 for marriage and you have kids, everything will be all right.

00:27:51.400 And the point we were making in that video is no, like, like specifically it wasn't even

00:27:56.760 just everything will be all right.

00:27:57.900 It's you will get the things that secular society has been promising you at a higher level than

00:28:03.640 you can achieve them through sexual, through secular society.

00:28:07.000 Like, you know, hedonistic sexual gratification, like relationship that works well without

00:28:13.460 you having to put effort in.

00:28:15.200 And that just wasn't true.

00:28:17.280 The, the, the rewards for chastity and the rewards for willpower are not the same rewards

00:28:24.500 that secular society is handling, handing out.

00:28:27.060 I think they're better rewards.

00:28:28.780 I think they're more meaningful rewards, but it's very easy to miss that.

00:28:32.220 It's a completely different optimization function and a different set of rewards you should be

00:28:36.180 expecting.

00:28:37.060 And that just because you follow these rules doesn't mean that there aren't hard things

00:28:41.660 that you're going to have to go through every day.

00:28:45.300 Yeah.

00:28:45.840 Yeah, precisely, precisely.

00:28:47.340 And also I think as well, there's a kind of, it's almost presented as a kind of Benedict

00:28:51.720 option as well.

00:28:52.660 It's like, you know, you can, you can retreat from the world if you just get married and have

00:28:56.520 your nice trad family, you know, everything will be okay.

00:28:59.300 And, and as, as we know, you know, there's still public education system, massive propaganda

00:29:05.000 apparition, we do have to change the world.

00:29:07.500 We can't, we can't, we can't retreat from the world.

00:29:09.640 We actually have to change the world.

00:29:11.380 And yeah.

00:29:11.780 Well, and if we retreat, eventually the world is going to come for us, especially because

00:29:15.000 as Malcolm frequently points out, the sort of dominant culture doesn't have any other

00:29:19.760 way to get more members than by stealing them because they're not reproducing above

00:29:24.260 every population rate.

00:29:25.740 Also thinking long-term, one thing I wanted to ask you is what you think in 50 years, a hundred

00:29:30.240 years, 500 years is going to be seen as like completely barbaric about the way we live

00:29:34.240 now.

00:29:35.120 Assuming that, you know, what we live, what, what people are like in the future has been

00:29:39.300 selected for, like, I mean, you know, those who survive, those who reproduce, what will

00:29:43.580 they think of today as being just insane?

00:29:47.620 That's a, that's a, that's a very good question.

00:29:49.500 I mean, I think we're, we're already seeing, so, you know, I was talking about the advertising

00:29:53.580 for a Zen pic, we're already seeing this notion that it is, that it is basically barbaric to

00:30:00.000 suggest that people intervene to make their own lives better.

00:30:04.880 Yeah.

00:30:05.400 You know, it's like, no, you, no, you can't stop.

00:30:08.040 You can't stop eating.

00:30:09.260 You cannot close the fridge.

00:30:11.160 You cannot, you cannot get up off the sofa and.

00:30:14.620 Well, that sounds like fat phobia to me.

00:30:16.600 Yeah, I know.

00:30:17.720 It sounds pretty hateful.

00:30:18.800 I think we might get this video to demonetize for that kind of talk.

00:30:21.900 Yeah, but, but I think, but I think that what we're going to see is we're going to see

00:30:25.720 a real, a real growth of that mindset.

00:30:29.180 And I think that it will be pushed by big pharma because it's being pushed by big pharma.

00:30:34.360 Now it's Novo Nordisk who's paying for the advertising that says you can't get, you can't

00:30:39.620 lose weight other than by taking a Zen pic.

00:30:41.640 So I think that, I mean, I think that if, if there is this split that I've posited, then

00:30:46.560 there may very well be, you know, one segment of society that just truly believes that actually

00:30:51.040 human beings are almost like inert, inert objects upon which external forces act.

00:30:59.360 And it is barbaric in any way to expect independent volition from, you know, your average fat or

00:31:06.080 from, from anybody, you know, from your average fatty. 0.78

00:31:08.440 So I think that what you might see then is you might see a, you, maybe you'll see a kind of

00:31:15.300 Ayn Randian split, you know, where you've got like these, these ultra high achieving physical

00:31:20.680 specimens who believe that actually any notion that, that, that anything is beyond your will

00:31:25.800 is that's barbaric.

00:31:27.260 The notion that, you know, you should coddle people in any way.

00:31:29.580 And then you've got the other side of society.

00:31:31.680 These people who perhaps believe that actually you can't expect any willpower whatsoever on

00:31:36.540 any level from people, that people are just objects.

00:31:40.200 Yeah.

00:31:40.800 Well, and it is interesting to me that a lot of these things that are correlated with these

00:31:43.800 lower willpower groups are also correlated with a high fertility, which means that not

00:31:48.680 only is fertility drama and it's likely, I had to guess what's causing this.

00:31:52.460 It's likely that these are the kids, you know, as we say, there's really only two reasons

00:31:56.860 to have a lot more than two kids.

00:31:58.620 It's either because you have some exogenous ideological motivation, like that's what's

00:32:03.060 motivating you to do it, or you simply couldn't figure out birth control, you know, either

00:32:08.220 you lacked the initiative to think ahead or whatever.

00:32:11.240 And, and I think that that's why you're getting this correlation here, the welfare, the welfare

00:32:15.860 state as well, I think.

00:32:17.240 Yeah, that, that, that as well.

00:32:18.580 And so I think what this means is not only are kids dropping in the world, but even faster.

00:32:24.580 And I think the hidden thing that that's happening at a much higher rate is these high willpower

00:32:29.320 and other correlations, cultural groups or kids born into them, they are going to be

00:32:34.780 exceedingly rare going into the future.

00:32:38.320 And that means they are the next Bitcoin.

00:32:42.100 High willpower kids are the next Bitcoin.

00:32:44.520 Because as Simone was saying, you know, the, the mainstream society needs these people and

00:32:48.500 it needs them disproportionately.

00:32:50.020 That's why we know it's coming for our kids.

00:32:51.420 That's why you can't just go Benedict because if you have kids, then you have the one asset

00:32:55.900 they really want and they will come in and they will find a way to take those kids from 0.51

00:32:59.840 you.

00:33:00.020 And you can see this if you look at the, you know, highest profile people in our society,

00:33:04.020 like the Elons or whatever, right?

00:33:05.480 Like they targeted his kids aggressively, right?

00:33:09.080 Like that is, is something that any of us should expect.

00:33:13.160 And we need to steal our children against and build communities for them and build systems

00:33:18.980 that help them find spouses in a world where it's going to become increasingly difficult. 0.55

00:33:23.360 And I do think it is a parent's failure as much as the kids.

00:33:26.960 If you can, if the kid cannot find a spouse, because that, that required your, you know,

00:33:31.080 your networking and your culture building and your advice.

00:33:33.720 If you put them in a situation without realizing how much the world was changing around you. 0.99

00:33:37.920 And I just can't tell it like kid, oh, just, you know, fucking go to a bar. 0.94

00:33:42.180 Like that doesn't work anymore, you know? 0.98

00:33:45.800 Yeah, no, I think, I think that's, I think that's very, very true.

00:33:49.340 I think the, I think the emphasis on parental, maybe that's another thing that will be, that

00:33:54.080 will be considered barbaric is leaving your children to defect, you know, to, to, to figure

00:33:59.080 everything out for themselves.

00:34:00.420 I mean, that is a, that is a hallmark of the kind of boomer liberal sort of mode of parenting,

00:34:06.520 right?

00:34:06.900 Is it's like, oh, you know, everyone, you have to be free to make your own mistakes,

00:34:10.580 but actually some mistakes are fatal and you can make fatal mistakes very early in your

00:34:15.320 life.

00:34:16.360 Yeah.

00:34:16.740 Yeah.

00:34:16.980 No, it's, it's funny.

00:34:17.800 You mentioned this is, is people often hear about our parenting strategy and they go, oh

00:34:21.000 my gosh, I can't believe you're going to tell your kids who to be, you know, you're

00:34:25.100 going to, and they're like, that's so abusive.

00:34:27.700 And it's like, this is what every culture throughout human history has done until you guys came along.

00:34:32.920 And the only reason why you're against this is because this is one of the tactics you

00:34:37.960 use to separate children from their support networks.

00:34:40.600 You know, as we always say, all cults, they need to separate individuals from their parents

00:34:44.860 and their support networks.

00:34:45.820 And that's often what they focus on doing first.

00:34:47.820 So the mainstream society, the cult, you know, it, it tells kids, your parents giving you

00:34:54.260 advice on who to be or, or putting pressure on you in terms of who to be and what to achieve

00:34:59.260 in life that is intrinsically abusive, which is a great psychological tool.

00:35:05.500 If you are trying to pry children from high effectiveness cultures.

00:35:10.240 Yeah, one, yeah, 100%, 100%.

00:35:14.860 I mean, I do think the Elon, to go back to the Elon stuff, I mean, Elon stuff is quite

00:35:19.500 shocking, really, the way that his children have been targeted by trans activists and, 0.87

00:35:24.480 you know, in, in public.

00:35:26.480 And not only have they done it, but they've also said, we're transing, we transed your

00:35:30.780 daughter, I think is what they said, or your son.

00:35:33.880 And yeah, it's, it's terrifying, but that is in a microcosm.

00:35:37.620 And that is, that is society at large.

00:35:40.180 And, you know, I mean, parents, parents are shocked when they discover, you know, when

00:35:44.080 they see a photo of a classroom and they see all of the, all of the banners and the slogans

00:35:48.940 and the pride flags and the love is love and all this kind of stuff on the wall.

00:35:53.000 But it's like, you should know, you should, you should be taking enough of an interest

00:35:57.760 in your child's education to know that that is, that that stuff is on the wall and that

00:36:02.340 they're being taught by a rainbow haired.

00:36:04.920 But, but people don't until it's, people don't until it's too late.

00:36:09.140 Well, so we already have this with our kids.

00:36:12.100 Like we get told online regularly, like we are going to target your kids.

00:36:15.540 Like that is our goal is to turn your kids against you in any way that we can.

00:36:22.040 Now, I will say, I think that the, the parts of the trans movement right now that have just

00:36:26.860 spiraled out of control, I think that they're actually, they won't be relevant by the time

00:36:30.820 my kids are growing up, they, they seem to have lost the, the will of the people, which

00:36:36.360 unfortunately is dragging down.

00:36:38.040 I think a lot of what I would consider the real trans movement.

00:36:40.340 I mean, there is, there is obviously an effect of all these endocrine disruptors in our

00:36:44.200 environment.

00:36:44.620 Like, like it would almost be surprising if we didn't see an explosion of actually people

00:36:48.680 who are identifying as a different gender.

00:36:50.220 So I, I feel for them being dragged through the mud by the crazy people, but those, those 0.97

00:36:56.320 crazy people definitely exist right now. 0.83

00:36:58.340 And I wonder what the next movement, what the next iteration of crazy is going to be that

00:37:03.920 targets our kids for conversion.

00:37:06.760 My guess right now, if I'm looking at things, it's going to be the negative utilitarian effilis.

00:37:14.160 I think that's going to be the next big movement, the voluntary extinction movement.

00:37:17.960 Yeah.

00:37:19.980 And I, well, I, yeah, and I think it's going to come hand in hand with the climate change

00:37:24.720 movement, of course.

00:37:25.580 Oh yeah, absolutely.

00:37:26.760 Well, I think it's going to be what the climate change movement transforms into.

00:37:29.560 So a portion of them will be motivated by climate change, but I think, and I see this

00:37:33.160 already because I think the climate change movement doesn't have the popular will it used

00:37:36.860 to, you know, you look at, there's a great study I think done on like Gen Z, it was looking

00:37:40.520 at like Greta Thornburg's generation, right?

00:37:42.440 And they are actually much less environmentally friendly than previous generations.

00:37:46.020 They just actually aren't motivated by the climate change movement anymore.

00:37:49.320 They use people like Greta to speak to old people, but she was not actually effective

00:37:53.360 at communicating with her generation.

00:37:55.580 It's very, it's very noticeable when you look at these just stop oil protests, like you see,

00:37:59.880 you know, footage of the just stop oil protesters in London and they're sat on, they're sat on

00:38:04.300 the motorway or something.

00:38:05.320 It's all old people now. 1.00

00:38:06.960 It's all like retired school teachers and civil servants and doctors.

00:38:11.560 There are very few young people. 0.98

00:38:14.360 Young people don't give a shit about the environment, but, but I think that they're 1.00

00:38:16.980 moving because what does sell to young people is doomerism. 0.99

00:38:20.120 And that's what the negative utilitarians, that's what the antinatalists offer young people 1.00

00:38:24.600 is doomerism.

00:38:26.320 They say humanity is a scourge and we need to end it.

00:38:30.700 And, and, and I think that those are going to be the groups that aggressively target our kids

00:38:34.580 the most is the ones who want them to hate their lives.

00:38:38.340 And I think that they are going to be surprised by how resistant our kids are to these messages

00:38:42.900 because we have had the fortune of seeing what happened to people like Elon and to build

00:38:50.820 very specific social tools and mechanisms for our kids so that they will be more protected

00:38:57.120 by people who want to indoctrinate them to punish their parents.

00:39:00.600 Well, listen, you, you have my full support.

00:39:04.380 You are, you are, no, you are, you are, I mean this genuinely, you are good parents because

00:39:09.040 it is a, it is a, it is a, I mean, the world is terrible, full stop.

00:39:14.120 You know, there's been, the world has been terrible since its inception, but there are unique

00:39:20.340 problems, problems that are unique to our situation today.

00:39:23.780 And parents need to know about them and they need to do something about them.

00:39:27.580 They need to protect their children because once they're gone, they're gone.

00:39:31.420 Yeah.

00:39:32.260 As well.

00:39:32.840 I mean, no, historically, once they were gone, you know, you'd lose them to like, I don't

00:39:37.180 know, dyed hair for a few years or something like that.

00:39:39.980 And then they come back to you because they're like, oh, mom and dad, you were right.

00:39:43.520 Now, once they're gone, they're gone.

00:39:45.880 They have developed more advanced procedures to ensure that.

00:39:49.960 And I, I do appreciate, you know, you, you saying there's a term that we used to use for

00:39:54.160 people like us face F but, but, but I, I appreciate your discretion in the public eye.

00:39:59.000 And it's, it's likely the best thing for your family, which, which is very understandable.

00:40:03.940 I would say guys, there's actually a lot of hope.

00:40:05.920 I mean, to be quite honest, Malcolm, the like Elphists and the environmental antinatalists, 0.99

00:40:12.020 like they aren't going to last longer than a couple generations.

00:40:15.520 And anyone who chooses to adopt that belief with every new generation is also not going

00:40:20.620 to have kids.

00:40:21.180 So I feel like over time, that kind of culture just isn't going to be able to spread because

00:40:26.020 over time, you know, basically anyone who might have that kind of tendency, they're being

00:40:30.580 selected against and, and memetically sterilized.

00:40:33.200 So I feel like the, the future that we can expect, especially in a post, like a postmodern

00:40:39.960 world with lots of technology is going to be very pronatalist because everyone else is

00:40:45.400 just not, not going to reproduce.

00:40:47.300 Well, I agree.

00:40:48.240 We got to, but what I'm saying is who's going to be targeting our kids.

00:40:52.160 Yeah.

00:40:53.540 Yeah.

00:40:54.000 Well, I mean, yeah, yeah.

00:40:55.320 That's a question.

00:40:57.000 Anyway, I, I am so excited that we had you on again.

00:41:01.160 This, this podcast was incredible.

00:41:03.300 I really liked it and I hope our audience does as well.

00:41:05.900 And they should really check out your sub stack, your Twitter, which is again, baby gravy

00:41:12.280 nine.

00:41:13.080 Yes.

00:41:13.880 Friends world magazine, plus all of rag nationalists, existing books on Amazon. 0.84

00:41:17.800 There are four, but there is a fifth one on the way.

00:41:20.620 And if you go to a sub stack, you may get some sneak peeks of it.

00:41:23.440 So do not miss it.

00:41:26.300 Thank you.

00:41:26.980 Thank you.

00:41:27.380 Listen, it's been, it's been a real pleasure.

00:41:29.160 You're, you're, you're really interesting people to talk to.

00:41:32.440 And this is, this has been a really fascinating conversation.

00:41:35.300 Thanks so much for joining.

00:41:36.460 Definitely come back.

00:41:37.500 We want to have more conversations like these and yeah.

00:41:39.660 Thanks again for your time.

00:41:41.380 I absolutely will.

00:41:42.640 Thank you.

Based Camp - February 12, 2024

Splitting Humanity： Physical Elites, Cognitive Elites, & The Drugged Masses (Raw Egg Nationalist)

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