Based Camp - Taking ＂Degrowth＂ Seriously： What is the Actual Ideology⧸Logic of Those Who Want to Shrink the World？

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be discussing

00:00:03.880 the philosophy of the people who are aware that demographic collapse is happening,

00:00:11.440 you know, broadly saying, aware of its consequences, but want to facilitate its continued

00:00:18.320 existence and how they think that this is going to work out okay. Because I've heard of these

00:00:24.240 people, you know, the degrowth people, right? The, well, we can manage, like, we can make

00:00:28.780 things better with an older population and everything like that. Like, this is good.

00:00:33.280 I'm just picturing the dog in the fire-ridden building. Yes. Yeah, I kind of blown this off,

00:00:40.060 but we had- Maybe they're onto something. What if we're wrong? If we're wrong, we want to be

00:00:43.740 corrected, right? Reach out to us that has these beliefs. And they were very nice, and they sent

00:00:48.880 us to their website. And this group is called the OVOLPE Foundation. OVOLPE, I don't know how to

00:00:54.560 pronounce it. When they do a lot of work on trying to get girls to have fewer kids. I will say that

00:01:01.200 normally, I wouldn't care about this work, but guess what country they do this work in most?

00:01:07.260 Ah. Thailand. Do you know what Thailand's TFR is? It's around one. This work is genocidal at that

00:01:15.520 rate. That means the population is halving every generation. That's one of the lowest, like,

00:01:20.440 going to- Wouldn't they want to do this in, like, a really high fertility country? I mean-

00:01:25.460 Yeah, they do do it in one other country. I want to say Tanzania, which is higher fertility. It's,

00:01:29.880 like, 4.5. And so that's reasonable there. But in Thailand, I'm like, if there's any country where

00:01:34.860 you don't want to be doing this, that's like doing it in Korea or something. Keep in mind,

00:01:39.360 Thailand's fertility rate is 1, and Korea's, like, the lowest on Earth is, like, 0.75.

00:01:44.200 Yeah.

00:01:44.440 So this is close to the lowest fertility rate on Earth.

00:01:46.820 Yeah. I mean, at that point, it's already happened. You don't have to worry about it.

00:01:50.920 Yeah, you don't have to worry.

00:01:51.920 You're just kicking a dead dog at this point. But I want to go into their own words,

00:01:59.140 both from the chain of emails they sent us and from their website, so we can understand how they

00:02:04.180 want to structure society. And I'll start with just sort of the wider plan here, which we won't

00:02:08.940 talk about too much, but it'll give you an idea of where we're going to be going with this conversation.

00:02:12.360 Okay.

00:02:12.640 The goal here is, on one hand, the well-being of children, including the widespread good

00:02:17.240 education, and on the other hand, equal opportunities and prosperity for all citizens

00:02:21.520 of the world. The key message here is as follows. Fundamental right to one child per couple. This

00:02:28.000 child will be supported through compulsory education, medical care, nutrition, and if necessary,

00:02:32.220 financial assistance from the global community, at least until UNESCO, ISCD level two, or possibly

00:02:38.400 level three. Registration with the Child Protection Authority, the CPA, is mandatory. A second child

00:02:45.680 is subject to conditions. Both parents must demonstrate and be able to independently financially

00:02:51.920 support both children up to employability. Approval by the CPA is required. For the third child onwards,

00:02:59.260 additional requirements apply. In addition to the requirement for approval, progressive child tax

00:03:04.920 policies are levied. So basically, the more kids you have, the more you have to pay in taxes rather

00:03:10.020 than the less. And then they go on to say in this section, this is to ensure that school attendance

00:03:15.300 by less privileged children is refinanced by child taxes by wealthier families. Presumably, it would be

00:03:20.860 the wealthier families who are allowed to have far more children, right? So it's like wealthy people

00:03:24.400 can have. You can hear there's like elements of baseness to this, right? A dictatorial world government

00:03:30.140 where only the wealthy can have more than two children or really more than one child. Yeah,

00:03:34.520 it seems like many sci-fi dystopias where you can't afford to pay the government credits to have

00:03:41.520 an additional child or whatever. But what I'm saying here is this isn't token wokeness, right?

00:03:47.040 No, no, no. They're doing stuff that people would see as quite controversial because they believe it's

00:03:51.840 the optimal way to go, which I appreciate. So to continue here, this could also counteract current

00:03:56.580 problems such as hunger, disease, and child labor. I realize the global implementation of such a

00:04:02.000 regulatory system is still utopian at the moment. I love the use of the word utopian, where even with

00:04:08.480 me, when I describe my utopians, I at least realize that to the average person, they sound dystopian.

00:04:13.800 And I would guess that to your average person, this would sound extremely dystopian. Like that's not

00:04:18.060 just me. You have a better ability to emulate normies. Normies would see this as dystopian, right?

00:04:22.860 The CPA, which monitors all children worldwide. Normies would absolutely see this as dystopian.

00:04:30.080 Okay. But democracy, healthcare, computers, and cell phones were also utopian not so long ago,

00:04:35.520 and unfortunately still are for many people in the world today. So I'm starting with that because I

00:04:40.620 think that this gives you an idea of the type of world structure that they're going to be imagining

00:04:44.600 here. Like he seems to indicate that he sees democracy as a good thing, but it's also pretty clear

00:04:49.520 that this type of world structure is meant to operate under a global technocracy closer to the

00:04:55.160 UN or the EU, where you have some, you know, token democratic elements, but they don't really

00:05:01.580 determine who's running things. That's more a technocratic element. And we can talk about the

00:05:06.220 benefits of that kind of system later, but that seems to be what they're presupposing here.

00:05:12.160 And I'd also point out with a system like this, they, you know, our fans who are like are aware

00:05:19.260 of falling fertility rates and everything like that, they can laugh at this when they hear it and

00:05:24.220 be like, what an evil system is that? But I'd point out that we could be living in a reality where such

00:05:30.940 a system as this was necessary. There is a, like, honestly, even if I, if I lived in like the seventies

00:05:38.840 or something. Right. And I was just looking at global fertility trends. I was looking at global

00:05:42.740 populations and you were like, what are you going to do about it? And my response would probably be

00:05:48.460 like, well, I don't want to talk about this publicly like right now, because it would be very offensive,

00:05:53.380 but we probably need to do some sort of restriction eventually. Like this doesn't seem mathematically

00:05:59.680 realistic forever. And the consequences of this could be staggering. Right. And even, even outside of

00:06:07.760 that, even if you're like, well, in the seventies, you still should have known a population collapse

00:06:11.200 was coming. Imagine we're on like a spaceship or something, right? Like, like feasibly earth might

00:06:17.200 have like limited resources, right? Like, right. And, and so there's like a point on the spaceship where,

00:06:23.200 you know, everyone's having too many kids and you as the captain have to like come in and say,

00:06:29.060 okay, but we like this, we don't have the food or the oxygen for this anymore. Right. So I'm just

00:06:36.600 going to cut oxygen rations to like sector C for this week. And we can repopulate in a bit,

00:06:42.620 or we can do, you know, stop having so many kids. Right. So what I'm saying here is if you accept

00:06:49.900 the premise that like, we are anywhere near earth's carrying capacity and you accept the premise that

00:06:55.840 the population is still going up, I can see where something like this might be necessary. Right.

00:07:01.960 I just don't think we're anywhere near that. But, but what I'm saying here is the types of people

00:07:07.080 who get into these ideas. One, this is an organization in Switzerland. So very Swiss

00:07:11.120 culture, you know, watchmaker world right here. And two, a lot of them grew up during an age where

00:07:17.100 it's, it's very hard for older people to grok and turn around and be like, oh, the world is

00:07:23.300 fundamentally different now than it was when I was growing up. Yeah. And to your point, there's something

00:07:27.320 very responsible about saying, I don't know how we're going to feed all these people. And just to

00:07:34.860 blithely assume that we'll develop technology, which we ended up doing, that we'll be able to

00:07:41.460 sustain all these people. And now we're at a juncture also where we're able to very reasonably say

00:07:47.100 that we can continue to have some population growth without worsening climate change, for example,

00:07:54.100 if that's what you care about. Whereas before we couldn't really say that. So I also think there's

00:07:58.040 something responsible and not just being like a hand wave tech will handle it and saying, well,

00:08:03.540 until we know, let's. Yeah. Yeah. But to Simone's point here, she's talking about if we were in the

00:08:11.060 1970s, but we're not in the 1970s. And now we know tech will handle it. Right. People are also really

00:08:16.380 bad at updating their, but that's the point I'm making. These people are older than us. They grew up in a

00:08:21.140 different era. They are just unaware. What's the name of the Cremu post where he talks about how

00:08:26.440 this can be like having kids doesn't actually hurt the environment. It's on his sub stack. It's called

00:08:31.180 go ahead and have kids. Depopulation won't stop climate change, but your kids might.

00:08:36.020 Yes. And no, and this is really true. This is where we are with technology now, because we know

00:08:39.760 that the technocratic solution to climate change didn't work. Like we tried this on a global scale.

00:08:45.540 It didn't work. Even when we shut everything down for COVID that year, like when nobody was driving to

00:08:50.900 work, when nobody was flying, we incrementally hit the reductions. We were supposed to additionally

00:08:56.320 incrementally hit every year by the Paris climate accords, which when I saw that, I was like, wait,

00:09:01.080 so next year we need to keep everyone at home, keep all of the planes shut down, keep half of the

00:09:06.240 factories shut down and somehow incrementally reduce it again. And then we need to do that again the next

00:09:11.720 year. Oh, so this is just funny money that you're playing with here, right? Like this can only be done

00:09:16.600 by active scientific interventions, which require competent individuals to do. So that's, that's the

00:09:24.460 point. And we've developed them and Kremu talks about them, but now carbon sequestration, especially

00:09:29.760 due to reduced energy costs is going to be a lot more affordable and make a much bigger difference.

00:09:35.160 And like, Hey, let's shut down all economies and travel. So, yeah. So to go over some of the documents

00:09:42.500 we'll be reading from here, because I think this will give you an idea of how spicy an aging society

00:09:47.120 is an opportunity and is regulating the number of births necessary. By the way, here, I'm going to

00:09:53.520 have the population zero song. So I'm going to start with their strongest argument and this was made

00:10:09.940 over email and not in their website. I think it's a strong argument because it's, it's, it's based

00:10:16.240 and it's accurate. And it shows that we're dealing with like rational people who have an understanding

00:10:20.780 of like human genetics and differences and stuff like this, right? Yeah. Maybe they made it to us

00:10:26.060 because they felt more comfortable being more candid via email. Yeah. Okay. So the dilemma is that

00:10:32.820 more efficient technology, automation, robots, and AI mean that fewer workers are needed in the

00:10:37.440 traditional sense. Highly skilled workers are already in short supply, but ordinary workers

00:10:41.180 are becoming less and less necessary and becoming unemployed. Since low-skilled workers are

00:10:45.580 proportionally overrepresented, even high birth rates do not help solve the problem as the reproduction

00:10:50.500 rate is particularly high among the less educated classes. Unemployed people or workers in the low

00:10:56.520 wage segment contribute little or nothing to taxpayer revenues. On the contrary, they increase government

00:11:01.180 spending. This is a completely rational point. And the reason why you are making this point to us

00:11:09.000 and the reason why we don't address this point as directly in a lot of our outreach is we have said,

00:11:16.080 you know, at the end of the day, this isn't a warm body problem. This is a taxpayer problem,

00:11:19.840 right? If you massively increase the population, but they're all on welfare or something, you know,

00:11:24.180 you've made it astronomically worse. If you take in immigrant classes and these immigrant classes are

00:11:28.980 drains on the state, you have done nothing to fix this particular problem. And so, you know,

00:11:35.380 they're right here. Also, AI is going to, you know, take a lot of jobs, take a lot of people out of the

00:11:41.060 workforce, et cetera. Our read at what AI seems to be doing right now is it seems to be concentrating

00:11:47.200 wealth among fewer and fewer individuals and making that wealth more mobile, which means as a lot of

00:11:52.460 countries hit this social security hitch that they're going to hit, what we're going to see is them

00:11:57.220 try to tax the wealthiest more, the AI tech moguls. They're just going to leave to charter cities and

00:12:02.360 the problem is going to be so much worse than anyone anticipates because of AI actually not,

00:12:07.200 not, no, there are situations in which AI, any utopian fashion ends up setting up sort of like

00:12:13.020 global UBI or something like that. But if that's the direction that AI goes, really none of our decisions

00:12:19.060 today matter, right? Because we're not actually dealing with short timelines. And so like AI's got it,

00:12:25.580 bro, like we don't have to worry, right? You don't need to worry about reducing the population. We

00:12:30.060 don't need to worry about stabilizing the population because AI is going to put everyone on UBI and care

00:12:35.540 for us and be monitoring birth rates and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But if we don't live in that

00:12:39.880 world, we need to think about what world we live in. And the world we probably do live in is one in

00:12:44.060 which AI is concentrated wealth severely. But in that world, the number of competent humans, the fact that

00:12:49.880 as you mentioned, competent populations, and keep in mind, like this is one of the most robust findings in

00:12:57.060 all genetic research here. And no, and I'm not saying anything about ethnic groups here, right? Like I'm not,

00:13:00.980 I'm not saying, and I'm not making the argument that IQ correlates with ethnic groups. But what I am saying

00:13:05.480 is that IQ and competency correlate very strongly with genetics, which correlates very strongly with

00:13:11.860 heritability from parents. And so things like an idiocracy are possible. Like we are seeing a global drop

00:13:17.620 around 0.1 IQ points every decade, which means we're probably looking at a standard deviation drop.

00:13:22.640 What is it like every 15 years or something? And some research has found that the larger

00:13:26.940 correlations with high fertility and different polygenic scores are correlations between obesity

00:13:32.580 and higher fertility and lower educational attainment. And yeah, they're the two genetic scores,

00:13:39.400 the genetic predictors for low fertility, the two best ones we have right now.

00:13:42.820 No, no, no. For high fertility. People having more kids are more likely to also have polygenic

00:13:47.760 scores associated with lower educational attainment and higher levels of obesity.

00:13:52.180 And this matters a lot if we're talking about the types of solutions that actually work for climate

00:13:57.320 change or for many of the solutions we're looking at, which means that, you know, you can't just say,

00:14:02.380 oh, well, we're okay that competent populations are just bowing out of the gene pool, right? And worse,

00:14:09.080 populations that care about the environment are just bowing out of the gene pool because about 40%

00:14:13.080 of the way you vote is genetic in nature as well. I know the reason why I point out where I'm just

00:14:18.200 talking about heritability, I'm like, take any racial thing out of the issue is because when you,

00:14:22.540 when you make the argument in this way, like no serious geneticist will disagree with you.

00:14:28.660 That, that, that like your probability of graduating from college, your probability of how much you make

00:14:32.960 it an adult, your probability is highly correlated with your parents. Even if you were brought up

00:14:38.440 in an adoptive family, because this has been looked at was like twin studies in adoptive families

00:14:41.760 and appears to be a correlated with specific genes that we can find. So like the world,

00:14:48.620 this is why population collapse matters so much more than you may think it would,

00:14:52.160 because if you're just like looking at Europe and you're like, well, Europe will have like 30%

00:14:55.860 of its existing population by this date. So it'll have 30% less tax revenue. That's actually wrong

00:15:00.800 because it is in the economically productive centers of Europe where you have the lowest

00:15:05.200 fertility rates and by like astronomical differences, right? So really what you're

00:15:09.860 probably looking at with a 30% population reduction is something like a 50 or 60% tax reduction.

00:15:16.260 And that obviously is, is really terrifying, but there, there's a reason we don't go shelling

00:15:21.980 from the rooftops. You know, it's especially important that people who produce a lot in taxes

00:15:28.040 are having more kids because that's, that's just not an optically good message. And so the way that

00:15:35.060 we word that instead, which is also true is this is not a warm body problem. If you just had, you

00:15:41.800 know, double the population, but every new person you added was on welfare, you haven't really fixed

00:15:46.200 anything. Well, and when you frame it from the perspective of, we have a big concern for government's

00:15:52.640 ability to protect and take care of the most vulnerable people in their societies. It suddenly

00:15:58.780 doesn't seem like we're trying to have only certain people reproduce, which is what the media repeats

00:16:03.660 ad nauseum. But instead, this is about protecting our ability to sustain populations that are vulnerable

00:16:11.740 and that actually need help. Yeah. So, sorry, what she means by that is when we are concerned about

00:16:18.300 something like social security collapsing, that doesn't hurt Elon Musk. That probably won't hurt

00:16:22.620 us, but it will hurt a lot of vulnerable people. And when social security collapses, welfare systems

00:16:27.080 will also collapse. And now that we're dealing with a situation across Latin America, if by the way,

00:16:31.980 you're watching this and you haven't seen our recent video on the UN is lying about Latin Americans

00:16:36.080 fertility, we are not citing like crazy conservative stuff here. We are literally just citing Wikipedia and

00:16:42.180 countries own measured fertility rates where across Latin America, you're now getting fertility rates

00:16:46.180 around one. And this is terrifying, terrifying, because these countries are even less capable of

00:16:52.380 dealing with this tragedy as it steamrolls it. Now, also, I want to point here to like nobody go

00:16:58.080 and badmouth these people or anything like that. So this is, I'm quoting from the email here.

00:17:02.360 Finally, we'd like to emphasize once again, that we have the utmost respect for your commitment.

00:17:06.460 Despite our different perspectives, we share an important goal, a livable, prosperous future for

00:17:10.220 future generations on this planet. Our path to achieving the goal may differ. Your focus on more

00:17:15.020 children while we are consciously focusing on fewer. However, both approaches are based on concern

00:17:19.900 and responsibility for humanity. Totally, you know. Yeah, I really respect that. We want long-term

00:17:25.480 human flourishing. They want long-term human flourishing. And that's really different from

00:17:29.920 the typical antinatalist message that we get because they just want long-term extinction, right? Yeah.

00:17:37.160 No, no. These are people who I feel like if they actually engaged with like the modern science of

00:17:42.000 like realistic solutions to carbon emission, that these solutions are likely only going to be deployed

00:17:47.520 by populations that are competent and by cultures that produce highly educated people, and that those

00:17:55.260 are the ones that are declining the fastest, and that any realistic solution to upend this is unlikely to

00:18:00.660 be implementable within our lifetimes. You know, you're then like, okay, well then what marginally can

00:18:06.640 I do that is actually likely to have an effect, and it is increasing the fertility rate within the types of

00:18:12.740 communities that are already dedicated to environmental custodianship. But to continue here,

00:18:19.920 and this is reading from their first email here. Humanity already consumes more than Earth can

00:18:25.280 sustainably provide. According to calculations, we would currently need about 1.7 Earths to permanently cover

00:18:30.780 our annual resource consumption. In other words, it is impossible for 8 billion people, let alone more in the

00:18:36.360 future to live in such prosperity as wealthy minorities do in this world, which includes you and me. The

00:18:42.060 wealthy minorities includes you and me. A concrete example, the average ecological footprint per capital in

00:18:46.940 Switzerland, where I come from, is around 4.7 global hectares per person. In the US, it's as high as 8.1. If the

00:18:54.020 entire world population were to live at this level of consumption, the Earth would only sustain around 2.9 billion

00:18:59.320 people in the long run. This discrepancy highlights the core problem. Either we would have to drastically

00:19:04.740 reduce our lifestyle, or the number of people would need to be limited in order to achieve

00:19:10.380 sustainable prosperity for all. Now, I read this, and I've heard this number before, and I've never

00:19:15.600 really engaged with it, because I've been like, that's just poppycock, right? So I tried to figure

00:19:19.560 out where it's from and how it was calculated. The Global Footprint Network, the GFM. And so first,

00:19:26.380 again, I want to note, Earth likely does have a carrying capacity. There is likely some hypothetical

00:19:32.900 limit of the number of people that the Earth can sustain with a degree of prosperity.

00:19:37.900 For sure.

00:19:38.540 The problem is, is that is likely, I'm going to guess, even conservatively, a million times,

00:19:47.820 a million X Earth's existing population. Just for an example of how comical this number is,

00:19:54.760 that the GF whatever, this environmental group calculates as like the Earth's carrying capacity,

00:19:59.200 the Netherlands, okay? So the Netherlands is on, right now, 60 to 65% of the country would be

00:20:06.340 underwater, if not for modern technology and a technologically adept population. The Netherlands

00:20:12.040 is about the size of Maryland, okay? It's incredibly small, all right? The Netherlands is the world's

00:20:19.600 second largest agricultural exporter by value, $129 billion by 2024. They produce nearly, and keep in

00:20:27.320 mind, you could be like, oh, well, then they must only produce like really small, expensive crops,

00:20:33.360 like seeds or something. That's how they do it. No, no, no, no. They produce nearly 1 million tons

00:20:38.740 of tomatoes a year, yielding 12X more per acre than average global yields, using greenhouses covering

00:20:44.980 24,000 acres, efficiency tricks like lead lighting and 24-7 gross, rock oil substrates, and precise

00:20:51.500 nutrient delivery, CEO to enrichment for nearby industries. So they literally take the CEO from

00:20:57.280 their greenhouses, and then they pump it into local industrial capacity to make it even more

00:21:02.540 efficient. Enclosed loop systems, using just 0.5 gallons of water per pound of tomatoes, versus

00:21:09.020 global, which is 28 pounds, sorry, 28 gallons per pound, they're 0.5 gallons per pound.

00:21:14.680 So clearly we can be super efficient. And it's not just that. For potatoes, they're a top exporter,

00:21:20.100 1.2 billion annually, using similar precision farming techniques. But so I was like, okay, if

00:21:27.000 we implemented this system globally, what would Earth's carrying capacity be, right? Like we could

00:21:34.040 set up, because I mean, he wants to create a utopian system, so I get to play in utopian world. Like

00:21:37.880 in his utopian system, we're living under some sort of global technocracy, which educates everyone and

00:21:42.180 everyone is, you know, becomes competent and super efficient, right? Okay, so I'm like, okay, we play

00:21:46.960 in that world, we have nuclear reactors all over the Earth, you know, infinite power, whatever,

00:21:50.700 you'd be able to have a carrying capacity at around 20 billion people, well higher, like more than

00:21:57.240 double the projected number of people that we think Earth with current trends is going to get anywhere

00:22:04.740 near, right? And I'd point out, I don't even buy that Earth has really hit the 8 billion number

00:22:10.400 right now. Because if you look at the big countries that they'll say, like contribute to

00:22:14.100 this, a lot of them have really fuzzy reporting, like China, there's a lot of evidence, you can

00:22:18.900 see our videos on this, that their population might be a third, sorry, a third less than what

00:22:22.840 they're reporting. And then other really high fertility countries, and I mean, like really

00:22:27.260 strong evidence that it's a third less than what they're reporting, because they have a huge

00:22:30.580 reason to lie about this. And we can look at things like salt consumption maps, and then map

00:22:35.320 them to regions where we know how much there actually are of a population of Chinese

00:22:39.000 people, and then look at the entire country. We did an episode on this, if you want to go into it.

00:22:43.440 But the other thing-

00:22:44.980 I just want to point out in Cremieux's sub-stack post that I mentioned, where he discusses why

00:22:49.780 it's not going to hurt the environment that much if we just allow for a slow leveling off instead of

00:22:54.840 a decline, the projections that he finds to be pretty reliable, and they've been pretty good at

00:23:00.320 predicting population levels in the past, have populations starting to level off in the world at

00:23:06.700 around a little under 14 billion, up from the supposed 18 billion, or sorry, 8 billion that

00:23:13.660 we have now. So also, there's not this expectation, even that we're going to get anywhere close to the

00:23:18.520 levels that you're discussing.

00:23:20.180 Right. But the point here being is, I also don't think that if we're talking about,

00:23:26.420 I'm sorry, what was I saying here? Also, other places where the numbers are probably hugely off,

00:23:32.640 countries like Nigeria, which hasn't been conducting audits on this, and distributes the national oil

00:23:38.000 wealth to districts with the subsidy wealth based on their claimed population numbers, and has done

00:23:44.740 this unmonitored for about a decade at this point. So basically, for a lot of the giant population

00:23:50.260 countries that we think are really high fertility or whatever in the world, they're probably way below.

00:23:55.940 So it's like with blue zones, where if you create an incentive for people to be really,

00:24:00.160 really old, suddenly you have a whole bunch of really, really old people in that region.

00:24:03.740 In the data. Yeah. Yeah. The point being is, I don't buy this. I don't think Earth is going to

00:24:07.640 get above 10 billion people. And I think we could already be past peak population when you consider

00:24:13.660 the recent and shocking fertility collapse that we've had in South America and the Middle East.

00:24:19.000 Yeah.

00:24:19.160 Really, the only place that was above repopulation fertility rates anymore is like reliably above

00:24:24.640 repopulation fertility rates is Africa. Right. And that's just an impoverished region.

00:24:29.560 So as soon as they develop, which hopefully they will.

00:24:32.860 And I'd also point out here that when I talk about the reason I was talking about the Netherlands

00:24:37.340 is I was talking about a location and how much we would have at the carrying capacity with

00:24:42.800 current world technology, not hypothetical world technology. Right. So if we're talking about the

00:24:49.820 future, I mean, we live in an age of thinking machines now. We have like AI systems that can go over

00:24:55.120 crop fields and laser shoot all of the weeds that are more efficient and way healthier than any

00:25:01.460 pesticide we've ever had and don't use pesticides. You're the person who sent me the video of that,

00:25:05.260 right? That's insane. The level of technology that we're getting to because of AI is astronomical.

00:25:12.600 Imagine giant fields tended by drone swarms and other things like this. Keep in mind, if you're like,

00:25:19.440 well, you would never be able to have the power to do something like this, right? You'd never be able

00:25:23.980 to have the capacity to do something like this. The Sahara, if we cover just 1.2% of it, we would

00:25:30.280 have with solar panels, we would generate enough energy to match all of global energy use. Okay.

00:25:37.260 This is only covering 1.2% of it, right? With that power, you could easily desalinate water,

00:25:44.240 start putting up greenhouses in the region, create these CO2 to greenhouses, sort of industries

00:25:50.720 throughout the region, and then build flying drone swarms that take food from that region to other

00:25:55.440 regions. The humans, and by the way, the Sahara, if you covered all of it with solar panels, it would

00:26:01.900 be 189x global power consumption right now. The amount that you could do in terms of revitalizing

00:26:07.800 soils and creating basically an infinite food generator in the Sahara is astonishing with very

00:26:14.140 near future technology. And I mean within like the next generation, if we continue to technologically

00:26:20.860 advance the species and don't stop doing that because technologically developed regions stop

00:26:26.780 having kids. Okay. That's a big point that Cremu makes again in this post is that with a larger

00:26:32.660 population, you're just going to end up having more innovation. And that can be great for both human

00:26:37.640 force and the environment. Well, that's not true. That's the exact point I'm making. You don't have

00:26:41.300 more innovation with a larger population. You have more innovation if you have a larger population

00:26:45.380 that is coming from technologically productive areas and regions. You're just increasing the number

00:26:51.720 of people. If you just increase, like, you know, the number, like, and keep in mind, this is true

00:26:57.440 within countries. Like, I'm not even talking about like between groups here or something. I'm saying

00:27:02.160 within the United States, you know, it is, you know, Alabama is going to have a higher fertility rate

00:27:08.080 than central Manhattan or San Francisco, right? And the kids born within central Manhattan and San

00:27:14.180 Francisco, statistically speaking, are going to be more technologically and economically productive

00:27:19.360 than the kids born in rural Alabama. I mean, okay. So Cremu writes the relative to depopulation,

00:27:25.620 there's an initial short-term dip in real GDP per capita for stabilization because of the greater

00:27:30.440 emissions levels. This dip is not an absolute decline in living standards, just a relative one. This

00:27:35.420 relative dip is quickly overcome by the greater levels of innovation and resulting from improvements

00:27:40.660 to productivity that follow from having a larger population. This result holds across-

00:27:45.660 He's just making a claim. Why does he say?

00:27:49.220 Well, maybe he's arguing because this post is coming from the premise of people who are

00:27:54.100 pretty conscientious and long-term oriented, who are concerned about having kids because they're

00:27:58.380 concerned about the future and the impact that will have on the environment. So presumably these are

00:28:02.600 also educated people who would meaningfully contribute to innovation.

00:28:07.040 Yes. But the reason why I'm making this point is it is not a warm bodies problem.

00:28:11.940 Yes. No, we've been there. We get that.

00:28:14.460 Right. But the point here being is people have a cultural right to the culture of their parents,

00:28:19.660 but a culture is a combination of things. A culture is what gender roles you take on,

00:28:25.280 the way you relate to educational systems, whether or not when you get sick,

00:28:28.620 you believe witches did it. These are all cultural things that people have a right to pass down to

00:28:34.920 their children, and we do not have a right to eradicate. If these cultural beliefs lead to less

00:28:40.320 thriving, it is upon the groups that hold these cultures to decide to adopt new cultural settings,

00:28:47.180 not us as the technocratic overlords to erase their cultural practices. However, what is also true is

00:28:52.940 in the world today where you have high fertility rates are also regions that have, culturally

00:28:59.640 speaking, just a different relation to education, a different relation. So you've got all that,

00:29:04.480 but then you've got the genetic effects. Like I was talking about rural Alabama versus Manhattan

00:29:07.780 and San Francisco or something like that. But it's not that there's no one in rural Alabama who is going

00:29:12.780 to produce or have the likelihood of producing technologically highly capable, highly economically

00:29:18.580 productive kids. But these are things that we can look at and tell by looking at spreadsheets and

00:29:24.000 stuff like this, right? And so we are going to hurt from this, right? And hurt likely a lot more

00:29:31.620 because of the type of propaganda that comes from environmentalists and disproportionately affects

00:29:36.160 people who have like an altruistic sense to try to make the world a better place, which is highly

00:29:40.880 heritable. Altruism is one of, it's a very highly heritable trait really associated with genetics and

00:29:45.380 parental heresy. So yeah, don't, don't go out there trying to convince altruistic people to

00:29:49.540 disproportionately have fewer kids. That's not a winning strategy for the future of human history.

00:29:53.820 Now I'd also point out here, when we think about like how inefficient current livestock is and

00:29:58.140 everything like that, we are still currently in an era where we literally have like animals

00:30:04.600 that like walk around in fields. And like, that's where we get our meat from. When you look at like

00:30:12.200 where future humans are going to be getting their meat from, it's going to be in giant grown vats

00:30:17.400 and stuff like that. The ones that I've always loved is a book called Man After Man, which was hugely

00:30:22.160 influential on me. And I'll put a picture on screen of a meat factory from it, where it's just giant

00:30:27.100 meat beasts that have like harvesting creatures crawling across them and putting the meat.

00:30:32.060 Meat beasts?

00:30:34.080 Yeah, food engineered creature. Let's see if I can read the text here.

00:30:38.360 Meat beasts. I mean, isn't that just what cows are?

00:30:45.020 No, no, no, no, no, no. Cows walk around.

00:30:47.320 So you just mean brainless hunks of muscle.

00:30:50.500 Yes. Brainless hunks that perfectly in an energy efficient fashion turn food into exactly muscle.

00:30:59.440 And you could say, well, you need to move around to build muscle. It's like, no, you don't. Not if you

00:31:02.460 genetically engineer it to just produce muscle, right? Like, like the way we produce meat today

00:31:08.220 is comically inefficient. I recently saw a post, by the way, on the EA forums where they were arguing

00:31:13.000 that even altruistic people should not be vegetarians because it just has so many negative

00:31:17.580 cognitive effects.

00:31:18.920 Cognitive effects.

00:31:19.500 You're going to do more harm to the world by like retarding yourself through.

00:31:25.760 Yeah. They're like, well, there's ways to cause less harm by focusing on these types of animals

00:31:29.800 and grown in these types of conditions and stuff like that, because humans are herbivorous species

00:31:35.260 and evolved to be a herbivorous species.

00:31:37.160 An omnivorous species.

00:31:38.760 Oh, sorry. Humans are an omnivorous species and evolved to be an omnivorous species.

00:31:43.100 And that's why we have the dentature we do. Um, because that is, that is the dentature of an

00:31:47.560 omnivorous species and our digestive tract is not really designed for ever eating only just

00:31:52.760 plants. But anyway, let's keep going here. But the point I'm making here more broadly is that

00:31:59.220 earth's carrying capacity is completely, completely, completely dependent on technology and culture

00:32:05.220 and not completely, but like, like it's heavily modified by that. And that multiplier matters so much

00:32:11.280 more than like the number of people. Like suppose earth's population crashes and Europe crashes out

00:32:18.080 and the United States crashes out and it's the Europe and the United States and Canada that are

00:32:23.620 supplying a lot of food aid to many of the world's developing starving nations. This is in Africa and

00:32:30.240 stuff like that. If we crash out, right. The carrying capacity of Africa would actually drop. Like the

00:32:38.400 number of people in Africa may even drop due to starvation just because we stopped being productive and our

00:32:45.920 economy stopped being stable. Right? Like in many ways, the current African population boom is fueled by

00:32:53.520 charity.

00:32:54.780 Yeah. Someone in a comment on one of our videos today actually just said that, that a lot of people theorize that

00:33:01.020 African populations have been held up merely because of aid from Western countries.

00:33:05.040 No, no. And the aid hurts them a lot. It hurts. Well, it keeps them in cycles of poverty, but it can also

00:33:09.440 increase populations. Two things can be true at the same time.

00:33:12.560 So the point being is like, yeah, the world may actually drop in its functional carrying capacity,

00:33:18.280 its technology multiplied by carrying capacity as fertility collapse goes on because the regions of

00:33:24.120 the world that are sending food aid end up having economic collapses. And most of Europe right now

00:33:29.660 is about a decade to two, to three decades from having a collapsed social security system and thus a collapsed

00:33:36.780 social safety net system. And when that happens, I'm telling you what, they're not sending anything to Africa

00:33:41.420 anymore. Okay. Yeah. So Dell, what's it like the actual carrying capacity may drop because of falling

00:33:48.060 fertility rates happening disproportionately in some regions and not other regions.

00:33:52.060 But I followed up and I asked him about this cause I was like, okay, so this is just going to basically sterilize

00:33:56.660 sterilize like black people, right? Because their countries are poor or is it that you want to,

00:34:02.660 uh, you know, normalize the average income that's needed to have a kid so that it's less in African

00:34:10.140 countries. And I'm like, but even if you did that, then migrant populations in Europe and African-American

00:34:15.440 populations in the United States would be the primarily sterilized populations because they earn less

00:34:20.900 money. And they're just like, well, we just wouldn't consider race. And it's like, well, you may not

00:34:26.040 consider race, but the people who are being disproportionately sterilized are certainly

00:34:30.700 going to consider race. Like the optics of this are going to be horrifying, even in the woke

00:34:36.920 countries that you think would be the most on board with it, which is why even in woke environments

00:34:42.280 are unlikely to be on board with this. I mean, Germany's not going to sign on with a deal and

00:34:47.300 the United States is not going to like the progressives in Germany, the progressives in the

00:34:50.560 United States are not going to sign on board with a deal that's going to lead to disproportionately

00:34:53.940 Muslims being sterilized in Germany or forced at one kid and African-Americans in the United

00:34:59.280 States being forced at one kid. So to continue here, as the number of people grows, global

00:35:03.680 environmental problems are also getting worse. More people means more demand for energy, food,

00:35:08.160 and consumer goods, and thus more CO2 emissions, waste, and pollution. As we are more, as more

00:35:15.000 intensive exploitation of soil, forests, and oceans, even the environmental panel on climate change,

00:35:21.680 which IPCC emphasizes that population growth is a significant factor in environmental problems.

00:35:28.520 It is not. Like, as we point out, it's just not. A lot of these groups, like the IPCC,

00:35:32.080 they're a bunch of like anti-human extremists. We've seen this from like Earth for All, which

00:35:35.720 plans to like reduce global population by like 80%. The people who run this are a bunch of boomers

00:35:41.380 who are unaware of either current technology. They haven't accepted that the technocratic solution

00:35:46.640 to climate change has failed. They have had control of the UN, the EU, the United States

00:35:52.580 government at points, the Canadian government at points, like pretty much all global centralities

00:35:55.860 of power. And they were not able to enact their goals. Even during COVID, you had only the

00:36:00.760 incremental reduction we needed that year. It is not realistic, these solutions. But a lot of boomers

00:36:05.620 haven't been able to grok, okay, well, then I need to go back to their drawing board because this isn't

00:36:10.400 working. And it turns out when you go back to the drawing board, the actual solutions require more

00:36:14.800 people from the types of countries and regions within those countries, like within the United

00:36:19.720 States. You think somebody in rural Alabama is going to dedicate a huge amount of their

00:36:24.560 family's income to fixing climate change, right? Like get real. It's in the regions with the highest

00:36:30.900 dropping fertility rates that this cultural drive is the strongest. But anyway, from Ovalab's

00:36:37.300 perspective, a smaller world population would mean less pressure on the environment in the long

00:36:41.940 term and at the same time more resources per capita, which in turn would enable better living

00:36:46.120 conditions for everyone. For these reasons, Ovalab advocates a responsible and moderate approach to

00:36:51.180 having children. We believe that global guidelines on family planning are needed that balance individual

00:36:56.040 freedom with responsibility. So this then brings me to my second point, which is a big change that

00:37:01.840 has happened as I have educated myself more and grown up, is I realized when I was younger, I was sort of

00:37:07.080 brainwashed into this like obsession with the environment, right? Like it's bad that bad things

00:37:12.160 are happening to the environment. Like we're about to hit a CO2 catastrophe that the earth could never

00:37:17.700 survive, that global diversity will never come back. Like global population diversity will never come back

00:37:24.740 to the levels it is right now because we're going through a great extinction right now. And that made me

00:37:28.860 sad. I was like, wow, like I do think that there is a benefit to a more diverse sort of pool of life on this

00:37:34.560 planet, right? And then, you know, I grew up and I was educated and I learned that, oh, after mass

00:37:40.940 extinction events, you typically get adaptive radiation, which means even more diversity than

00:37:46.480 you had during the extinction event. Now, I will say mass extinction events can be really bad if the

00:37:53.200 thing that is causing the mass extinction event is a thing that makes it harder for life to survive.

00:37:58.420 So if we had like a global winter or something like that, that would be something that would genuinely

00:38:03.540 conserving. Or like a nuclear winter. That would be really bad. Yeah. But we're not having a nuclear

00:38:09.300 winter. What is specifically leading to the big problems that we're having with the environment

00:38:15.180 right now? Two things. More heat and sunlight, okay? And more CO2. What has happened during periods

00:38:25.260 of earth that have had these two things more? These are the two main... I thought the megafauna period,

00:38:31.380 which was super cool though, was when we had a lot of O2, not CO2. That was, yeah, that was more O2.

00:38:36.180 But we've also had periods of this before and you've had super flourishing. Actually, even shots

00:38:40.420 that they've done of rainforest recently have shown that rainforests have significantly increased in how

00:38:44.300 green they are. Yeah, I've read that. Yeah. Yeah. So we're already seeing a response to this,

00:38:50.000 which is prepping the world for an adaptive explosion, right? And it's very much like,

00:38:56.840 no, but I want life to stay exactly as it was when humanity first evolved. It's like, why is that life

00:39:01.520 superior to potential future life? Like, I don't understand that, right? Like that to me seems

00:39:06.580 weird. Like we should care about life's diversity more broadly. And keep in mind, we're close to

00:39:11.100 being able to see new biomes that will be as rich as earth's own, you know, if we can make it past this

00:39:16.340 bottleneck, right? Like we will be able to design animals for these biomes. We will be able to,

00:39:21.760 like, even the idea of what life is, we will be able to map all of the life that's left on earth

00:39:26.760 and recreate these biomes in even like AI testing scenarios until we can recreate them on another

00:39:32.320 planet on our spaceships, right? But it's not even all of that. I remember Simone, because you'd been

00:39:36.200 brainwashed by all this environmentalist stuff. You worked at, you know, a lot of environmentalists

00:39:40.820 became early pronatalists like Elon Musk, very interested in Tesla, very interested in solar city

00:39:45.240 stuff. You did, you know, Earth Day Network. You worked at the American Council on Renewable Energy.

00:39:50.240 You got your degree in environmental business. I mean, you came to me early on and you go,

00:39:55.100 well, Malcolm, you know, no other species has ever caused a mass extinction before.

00:39:59.700 No, I didn't say that because I learned in college that that wasn't true. And that blew my mind.

00:40:04.500 In the very program I custom designed to learn environmental business, I just

00:40:09.620 discovered in historical geology that lo and behold.

00:40:14.000 This is a regular thing. Species leading to, if you want to learn about one of these events,

00:40:18.760 you have the great oxidation event where species started producing oxygen as a byproduct and it

00:40:23.320 led to a mass extinction event. And we wouldn't have any of the life we have today if it wasn't

00:40:28.640 for that mass extinction event. Like, was that species evil because it created a world of animals

00:40:35.360 that metabolize oxygen? Like, no, it wasn't evil. It created the substrate for what came after it.

00:40:41.560 And even if we look at them being like, well, Earth could never survive at this level of CO2.

00:40:45.940 Here is a graph of Earth's CO2 levels right now and CO2 levels throughout history, you know,

00:40:51.280 going back 20, 30, 40 million years ago. What you will see is we have today at one of the lowest

00:40:56.380 levels of CO2 in the air in all of Earth's history.

00:41:01.740 Oh no, we're starved of it. See, we just...

00:41:04.220 Yeah, we are at one of the lowest levels. Not only that, but I also put on screen here now,

00:41:08.660 temperature of the planet Earth over time. We are also at one of the lowest temperatures

00:41:13.260 that Earth has ever been at. We are actually...

00:41:16.940 No, I mean, like, the Ice Age was chillier.

00:41:19.800 We're technically still in the Ice Age.

00:41:22.360 Oh, we're just at the tail end of it or something?

00:41:23.960 Yeah, we're just at the tail end of the Ice Age. By the way, Simone, do you know what an Ice Age

00:41:27.380 is defined by?

00:41:29.380 I do not.

00:41:30.680 A period where there is permanent ice anywhere on Earth's surface.

00:41:34.360 That's it?

00:41:35.000 Yes. The fact that we have Antarctica and the South Pole, we're not, like, that close to the...

00:41:44.660 You might think that we're, like, kind of near... No, we are far from the Ice Age being over.

00:41:49.860 But when you look at the mere fact that these two things exist and you can go look at glaciers.

00:41:55.020 Wow.

00:41:56.320 I guess this is one of those facts they don't teach you in environmental business.

00:41:59.680 But what I also point out here is life finds a way, right? And I'm going to play the life

00:42:03.500 finds a way scene here. Like, I don't believe in the supremacy of current life. I think that

00:42:08.660 life is a system and that it's our job to prevent all life from dying out. But the best way to do

00:42:13.760 that is to preserve humanity so that we can seed other planets with biomes as rich as Earth's own

00:42:17.980 and prevent the sun from eventually swallowing the Earth and killing all life that's known of

00:42:21.960 in the galaxy. And there's only one species on the planet that can do that. And only some

00:42:26.380 populations on Earth seem to be in a trajectory to achieve that.

00:42:30.660 Yeah. Yeah. Not all populations on Earth are capable of or, if capable, interested in getting

00:42:38.860 us off planet or doing anything off planet. So...

00:42:41.480 Yeah. Well, this is true. I would guess that there's a high correlation with communities that

00:42:47.420 would have an interest in going off planet and colonizing the solar system and the communities

00:42:50.960 that are high fertility, which are often traditional religious organizations that may even have a

00:42:54.820 resistance to this, you know, this idea of colonizing the solar system. And so the people

00:43:00.400 who end up dominating the future of what humanity becomes are going to be the very few... And why do

00:43:05.800 I say the technologically productive high fertility groups are going to dominate the future? Because

00:43:08.840 they'll have technology, right? Like, we're entering a world of automated drone wars, right? Like,

00:43:13.800 if you look at the U.S.'s Project Replicator, it's literally a ship, we have an episode on this,

00:43:17.920 that produces autonomous AI-controlled drone swarms infinitely, right? Like,

00:43:23.140 that's the future we're ending in. And so you look at some populations that are high fertility,

00:43:29.000 and you're like, well, you're worried about them. And I'm like, no, they're going to be bringing

00:43:31.060 AK-47s to like a drone swarm fight, right? Like, it's not particularly relevant, right? Like,

00:43:36.100 just high fertility rate on its own isn't relevant in terms of influencing the future of what humanity

00:43:40.120 ends up doing. So then to keep reading here, the Ovalib model as a structural framework for global

00:43:46.300 population policy, prerequisite, an international panel of experts annually determines the sustainably

00:43:52.240 supportive population number on Earth. This is based on availability and consumption of global

00:43:57.080 resources, ecological footprint, global Hector, GHA, security of supply, particularly energy,

00:44:03.280 environmental factors such as CO2 emissions, water pollution, climate change, and biodiversity.

00:44:07.120 Now, obviously, this sounds hellish to us, because we already have organizations like this.

00:44:11.320 And we have seen that they are willing to lie to people. If you look at our recent video on the UN

00:44:16.700 is lying about South America's fertility rate, the UN, for example, claimed that Colombia's fertility rate

00:44:21.920 was 1.6 this last year, when the measured rate in Colombia was 1.06, right? Like, they're putting out

00:44:29.380 a number there that's like, 0.5 off, 0.6 off the actual number, right? Like, that is, that is genocide

00:44:38.120 denial bad. And a, a, a Colombian, I think he's Colombian, professor at Penn, you know, Ivy League

00:44:44.780 Penn, emailed the UN about this. And he said, why are your numbers off by double digit decimals? Can you

00:44:50.700 correct them? And they said, we don't want to cause a panic. And we don't want people to believe,

00:44:54.700 lead people to believe this is a crisis. And it's like, but it is a crisis. And if more people were

00:45:00.900 aware of how bad this is, but keep in mind, the UN uses these fake numbers to implement evil already,

00:45:06.900 right? Like, to try to restrict who can have kids, to try to, which we see programs that they're doing

00:45:12.860 around this, to try to, you know, disseminate the belief within cultures where it is non-normative to

00:45:18.180 say, well, a woman doesn't have a role to have a kid, to try to disseminate this belief in those

00:45:22.460 cultures, which is a form of cultural genocide, because you're erasing those cultures, traditional

00:45:26.060 belief system. And I think that that's wrong, but this is why I'm scared of a thing like that.

00:45:29.880 Right. And now remember how earlier I talked about their plan for, they were going to have

00:45:34.960 like one, one kid, anyone could have one kid. And then you needed to like apply to have two kids

00:45:40.260 with certain regulations. Then you really needed to prove it to have like three or more kids.

00:45:43.960 And then the people with more kids would support the people with less kids. And like the thing I

00:45:49.320 like about this plan, like I'll, I'll tell something that it's a, it would have really

00:45:53.580 positive genetic effects. If, if you supposing the central organization wasn't corrupt and like

00:46:00.240 the way you got into it was just by purchasing the rights to additional kids. And then that money

00:46:05.400 could be used for the people who had fewer kids. Right. Yeah. I mean, essentially also it's like a

00:46:09.780 license to have kids. So I think similarly to how many studies show that when you look at the

00:46:16.360 outcomes of children of gay parents who have to go through so much more cost wise and hoops wise to

00:46:23.560 have kids, their outcomes are really good because only the most resourced and competent and conscientious

00:46:29.720 fathers who are gay end up having kids. And we're looking at a somewhat similar system here.

00:46:35.300 The problem is, and the reason the system doesn't work anymore is because you're like presuming that

00:46:40.860 most people want kids, but even in a system where people aren't charged anything to have kids,

00:46:44.900 we can't get them to reproduce and we can't get the ones we need reproducing the most to reproduce

00:46:50.360 the least. Right. Um, so like clearly, clearly like this, this wouldn't work from a motivational

00:46:58.040 capacity. You would just crash out all of the existing systems if you attempted to implement

00:47:02.860 this. And the real reason for this is because kids don't really benefit the parents anymore.

00:47:07.520 Historically speaking, when people had lots of kids, that the, the, the reason you had the kids

00:47:12.380 was because they would take care of you when you were old, because there wasn't social security

00:47:15.740 systems and because they would work on the farm or they work on the factory and they'd help support

00:47:18.740 the family or you get some dowry for them or something like that. Right. Today, kids don't

00:47:23.660 really do any of that, right? Like they don't necessarily support you in old age. They don't

00:47:28.140 help. They're, they're just a drain on you. So who benefits from a family having kids? Like

00:47:32.760 who monetarily benefits from a family having kids? The state benefits from a family having

00:47:37.940 kids. So families today are functionally having kids and acting as care providers

00:47:42.900 for free, doing this job for free. And the state is reaping all of the bill of benefits. So in reality,

00:47:49.900 you would want an inverse system if you were going to have it work. Well, which is what many states

00:47:54.340 are starting to do. I mean, South Korea is paying a lot to families to have kids. I mean,

00:47:58.300 countries like Hungary are as well. So there are some states that are starting to say,

00:48:02.440 all right, I own it. I'm benefiting from this. I'm going to pay for it.

00:48:07.220 Parents have kids. So it doesn't even work from like a moral measure. So that's, that's like,

00:48:11.080 sorry, the point I'm making here is the system is just like, if you look at the existing demographic

00:48:15.640 trends, the obvious effects of this system are obvious, right? Like it's, it's non-implementable

00:48:21.040 in any population that attempted to implement it. Because if you understand like our worldview and

00:48:24.740 populations, we sort of see the world as like competing cultural groups and we have no right to

00:48:29.540 interfere with another cultural group. And each cultural group has the ability for, first of all,

00:48:34.380 the right to autonomy, the right to not have people outside their cultural group come in and tell them

00:48:37.740 or their kids how they should live or what they should value. But in addition to that, they're each

00:48:41.420 sort of exercising an experiment for what may work for the future of humanity. I can tell you, like,

00:48:46.960 normally I'm not going to be like, that's a dumb experiment to run. But if you attempted to

00:48:51.020 implement this system that you have within any region, that region and the culture that it contained

00:48:57.740 would not exist within future human populations, it would go extinct within about three or four

00:49:02.760 generations, which, which shows that this system is just not a viable system in and of itself.

00:49:08.740 Like imagine you were able to implement this within Switzerland, right? And you just completely

00:49:13.580 and effectively implemented it. How quickly would the Swiss population just crash out and not exist as

00:49:18.580 a meaningful human group anymore? Like it's clear that you're not stupid. Like you can run the math on

00:49:23.840 the existing Swiss fertility rates. You can look at how it now all of a sudden having kids cost even

00:49:29.320 more, right? Like how quickly it would crash out. What are these sorts of things? Switzerland is really

00:49:35.340 expensive as it is, just for the record. Like when you and I traveled there and we just got to the

00:49:40.440 point where for every meal and we had maybe one meal a day, we, we split an appetizer between the two

00:49:47.300 of us. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and, and keep in mind when I say crash out, what I mean is it would crash

00:49:51.600 out within it. So you would eventually have a Swiss populations that's left, but it would likely be

00:49:59.100 made up of religious extremists who are like super anti-education who like don't, you know, that that's

00:50:04.760 the population that would be left after you completely churn through and use up the few, you know,

00:50:11.240 economically prosperous regions by implementing these sorts of restrictions on their children.

00:50:15.140 Because keep in mind to a less wealthy family, typically the monetary restrictions you put on

00:50:20.940 them are going to matter less. Right. And so they're just going to be like, whatever, like,

00:50:24.300 screw you. Like, or you could say, well, it's a fixed amount that we're putting on them. And then

00:50:27.560 it's like, well, then what are you doing? Like forcible castrations and stuff like that. Like it

00:50:30.800 gets super dystopian, super fast. And I just don't see why you would implement that when you could just

00:50:36.480 implement the system that we want to implement, where you let people have a right to their own

00:50:40.780 cultural autonomy. And then we just see which experiment ends up working like the one that our

00:50:44.840 family is running, the one that, you know, some Islamist families are running, the one that some

00:50:49.120 evangelical families are running, the one that Israel is running right now. Right. I'm going to

00:50:53.440 continue here. What else would this global technocratic thing operate? Right. With all this

00:50:58.660 money it's getting from these family licenses. Accompanying measures, compulsory education on

00:51:04.860 awareness and family planning, starting at the age of 12 availability of contraceptives in sufficient

00:51:09.820 variety in quantity for all people, possibility of cost-free abortions in case of unwanted or

00:51:14.680 legally impermissible pregnancies provided exclusively by qualified medical professionals.

00:51:20.320 Dude, China did this though.

00:51:22.720 Well, yeah, China did this. They're just describing the one child policy, which everyone now agrees

00:51:26.660 was a horrible idea. Legally penalty-free medically supervised abortions worldwide was in the first

00:51:32.720 three months of pregnancy. Regular adjustment of retirement age every three years in line with

00:51:38.220 demographic development. So basically they're going to force the olds to work longer and longer and

00:51:41.580 longer. Look at France's recent rebellions over increasing it by only like two years. I do not

00:51:47.360 think that that's actually going to happen now that the majority of people in many European countries

00:51:51.860 are actually tax drains on the system and not tax contributors to the system. Funding through a

00:51:57.320 global birth control fund. All countries pay a fixed percentage, e.g. 10% of their national tax revenue

00:52:02.520 into this fund to finance the aforementioned measures worldwide.

00:52:05.960 10%? They want like a Mormon tie thing here. Yeah, except like 6% is what the U.S. spends on

00:52:14.680 defense. Like that is a lot. Whoa. Yeah, yeah. So the thing that I found most interesting in all of

00:52:22.600 these automatics here, because I've noticed this from a lot of people who are like urban monoculture

00:52:27.340 cooked, and I don't think they realize what they're saying when they say this, is that people should have

00:52:32.480 a right to contraceptives, right? And what they're actually saying is some people should have a right

00:52:40.500 to sex and other people shouldn't. Because no, a right to contraceptives is a right to sex without

00:52:46.760 the consequences of sex, right? And the reality is, is they're like, well, yeah, everyone should have a

00:52:51.460 right to sex. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no. What you mean, and you know, and I know that you mean

00:52:55.280 this, is that wealthy, successful men who are attractive should have a right to sex and women should have a

00:53:01.440 right to sex. But like, what about the guy who's like, yeah, but no woman wants to sleep with me,

00:53:05.600 right? Why doesn't he deserve a right to sex, right? And you're like, well, because you know,

00:53:10.580 other people's agency and stuff like that, but it's like, why, why contraceptives? Why are you

00:53:14.260 creating a world where there is just so like, it seems like a level of, and I think it's true from

00:53:19.640 the urban monocultural perspective, unattractive and unsuccessful men are considered the enemy and

00:53:23.960 just do not matter. They are completely disposable. And yet all women have a right to sex and attractive

00:53:29.980 people have a right to sex, right? Like attractive men have a right to sex. And I think that's

00:53:32.760 dystopian. That's like gross to me, right? Like, why couldn't you equally say like, if we're going

00:53:37.000 to build our dystopias here, I'm going to build my dystopia. Okay. In my dystopia, you know, people are

00:53:43.000 supposed to accept that their desire for arousal and sex is either, you know, from Satan, right? You know,

00:53:51.400 a religious person would say that, or the evolutionary, you know, scar on their mind from a pattern that led to

00:53:59.060 their ancestors have more surviving offspring than other ancestors. And, and in my world,

00:54:03.980 everybody has a mandate to self-discipline. Okay. And anyone who cannot exercise that mandate to

00:54:12.680 self-discipline gets executed, right? Like they don't, instead of saying that attractive people

00:54:18.660 get a right to sex, we just say, no one should be having sex unless it's reproductive sex. Okay.

00:54:24.140 Now you may say, well, that sounds really horrifying, but in truth, anyone who's looking

00:54:28.820 at this would know, they'd know like, oh, well, actually in that world, within a few generations,

00:54:33.240 the population would become, you know, genetically much more self-disciplined. I mean, you'd have this

00:54:37.840 huge improvement in the population. So awesome. Now I don't actually want that world. As I've

00:54:41.340 talked about the world that I want is a world where every group has its own sort of autonomous

00:54:45.340 cultural value system. And I believe that self-discipline is an important part of a cultural

00:54:49.740 value system, self-discipline around sex, self-discipline around pleasure. I mean, so I

00:54:53.960 will be teaching my kids, do not, you know, seek a partner who completely lacks self-discipline in

00:54:59.760 these areas. Right. Who's like, well, I have a right to contraception because I have a right to

00:55:04.080 recreational sex whenever I feel like recreational sex. And I'd be like, yeah, that's probably not an

00:55:09.500 awesome person to bring into our bloodline because, you know, our experiment is dependent on,

00:55:14.760 you know, austerity and self-discipline. And, and so these are just different ways of looking at this,

00:55:18.640 but I, but I find it interesting, like so much focus on, you know, the ability to, to have

00:55:24.080 contraception and sex when you want to and access to abortions and stuff like this. But again, I

00:55:28.780 don't even understand when you want any of this, like the population is crashing out right now

00:55:32.240 and everyone who can build the systems you need to have any sort of stable global system, isn't

00:55:36.820 going to do it. And if you were trying to implement this global system, even think about what this would

00:55:41.160 mean in terms of like warfare. Like imagine you tried to implement this in like the Middle East,

00:55:46.840 right? You, you, you're going to have workers out there basically having the population under

00:55:52.540 permanent occupation because, because of their religious beliefs, they're not going to want

00:55:57.580 to accept this, right? So you're going to have to go into the Middle East. You're going to have to

00:56:01.780 go into Africa. I got lots of African friends. My, my, my brother in Christ, you are saying you want

00:56:08.080 to turn Africa into a permanent, like global hostage state, because remember wealthy people are allowed

00:56:13.720 fewer kids in this system. So if particularly in Africa, you're going to have people not getting

00:56:18.220 the license to have more than one kid. These are people who grew up when many of these countries

00:56:22.080 expecting like 16 kids, right? So how are you going to implement that? Well, what you're going to have

00:56:25.980 is you're going to have soldiers with guns marching down the streets, the people's houses and executing

00:56:31.140 people when they break the rule because they want to. And you're going to have constant guerrilla

00:56:34.240 raids on these soldiers because the local population isn't going to want this. Like the actual horror

00:56:39.540 of the implementation of this system is almost beyond compare. Like it only works if you brainwash

00:56:46.360 everyone into your cultural value system or not brainwash, but you set up educational systems that

00:56:51.000 are meant to eradicate their unique cultural perspectives, gender roles, everything like

00:56:55.220 that, which is just global cultural genocide and creating a global cultural monoculture, which

00:57:00.560 will be very fragile and could lead to the death of the human species. And then all life, as we said,

00:57:05.600 monocultures, like anyone who knows biology or environmentalism should know

00:57:08.500 how desperately fragile they are. If you look at the global monoculture today, you know,

00:57:14.200 the reason why like Paris, if I'm an upper middle-class person in Paris or Manhattan or

00:57:18.600 Rio, I'm going to be more culturally similar. I'm going to be, if I'm a, you know, near a high

00:57:21.820 fertility population in Manhattan, like Orthodox Jews or like Amish and been out or like us or Elon,

00:57:26.160 like we're all really different from that. This global urban monoculture has shown itself to be

00:57:28.980 very weak and you want to extend its reach even further. Like that seems really bad. Like,

00:57:33.780 actual human thriving. So I asked them about this point and they're like, Oh no, no, no, no, no. We're

00:57:39.280 going to do this all voluntarily. We just won't send aid money to countries that, uh, you know,

00:57:45.040 don't want to sign on for this. And if you're aware of how international aid works, you would know

00:57:49.580 that already we've had, you know, tons of aid rot in African countries because they were afraid of

00:57:55.480 aid without any conditions. They're just like, well, we're not sure about this rice. I don't know.

00:58:01.040 It could be here to sterilize us. And that was actually the specific thing that they were afraid

00:58:05.240 of, that the rice would lower their fertility rates. So they let it rot instead of distributing

00:58:09.540 it to the citizens while people were literally starving to death on the streets. Um, so you can

00:58:14.820 tell already in the majority of Africa, uh, no one's going to sign on board with this. The United States

00:58:20.160 wouldn't sign on board with this. Israel wouldn't sign on board with this. Most of the Middle East

00:58:23.900 wouldn't sign on board with this. Um, and what it would be is just people who already sort of have

00:58:29.380 this mindset signing on board with this, and then slowly going extinct in regards to, uh, world

00:58:35.120 power. Um, because, you know, I, I look at this and, and most of our listeners look at this and

00:58:40.260 we're like, wait, why would I, uh, like when the rest of the world is continuing to move ahead,

00:58:45.080 why would I deliberately like cuck myself? I can't imagine why you would so knowingly trivialize

00:58:52.640 your own culture and genetics in regards to the future of human civilization because that's what

00:58:59.320 they're doing, right? Like other places are going to move ahead, even if everybody signed on board

00:59:04.260 with this. And so it really only works if you somehow get everyone on board with it without

00:59:09.920 realizing they're on board with it or getting governments to force minority like, oh, we'll get

00:59:13.900 the United States and our government on board with this. And then we'll force it on the, you know,

00:59:19.140 Muslim and Christian populations within our country, which is not awesome. That's, that's,

00:59:24.440 that's just as horrifying as enforcing it across borders, but it's just, oh, but we did it through

00:59:28.720 democracy. So it's okay this time. So let's assume you extended this maximal reasonableness. You might

00:59:34.200 be able to get Europe on board with this, South and Central America on board with this, Canada on board

00:59:40.760 with this, but they're already low fertility. So they're not really relevant of the high fertility,

00:59:46.100 high technology, e.g. likely to get off planet, likely to colonize the solar system, likely to

00:59:51.460 continue thriving populations. You've got populations like Israel. Israel would never,

00:59:56.400 ever, ever get on board with this. The populations like the United States, which would never get on

01:00:02.600 board with this. And so basically it's just like the countries that are already unlikely to be

01:00:08.400 relevant to the future of human civilization bowing out and handing the baton to the countries that are

01:00:14.560 already taking over human civilization. So another thing that I thought was interesting

01:00:19.540 is what they thought that everyone should have a right to 30 meters squared, private residence of

01:00:25.860 space roofed, needed heating or cold two meals a day with 18,000 to 36,000 calories, depending on age

01:00:32.720 outfits that are like a standardized outfit in another language. I don't understand completing schools

01:00:38.060 through UNESED. I said level two, possibly three. I really hate global schooling, saying I think

01:00:42.500 schooling and education should be left up to a culture because it's often used for cultural

01:00:45.960 eradication. Historically, that is like the main use of school systems is cultural genocide.

01:00:50.640 And families, especially with AI now, can educate kids themselves. See Parasia.io, the free education

01:00:55.480 system or very inexpensive education system we make for everyone. It divides education into like a

01:00:59.740 civ-like tech tree. And then it's got like a Socratic tutor on every particular skill that you can learn

01:01:04.460 and students can interact with this until they pass. And then they move into the next part of the tree and

01:01:08.520 they can just learn stuff. And some families are enjoying this. And if you are one of those families,

01:01:12.400 please let us know in like email or something because we really appreciate it. It helps motivate

01:01:15.920 us to keep developing systems like this. One means of transportation, e-scooter, e-bike, moped,

01:01:20.640 free contraceptives of choice, fresh drinking water, and access to basic medical care. Now, I don't know

01:01:25.980 why, because to get these things, you need to take the money from someone. Like why should a group,

01:01:31.480 I just don't understand, have to pay for another group's access to these when they're attempting

01:01:34.880 different cultural experiments. Like the very, like if you don't allow cultural experiments to

01:01:38.900 fail, you basically force people to live on in suffering because you are allowing cultures that

01:01:43.620 create what you can call weakness, right? Like the inability to produce the resources they need

01:01:48.680 to survive to continue to replicate, which eventually is going to cause enormous pain, right? Like we were

01:01:55.500 talking recently about like the morality around like EA and stuff like this. And they're like, oh,

01:02:01.480 well, what do you care about, you know, these people in Africa who aren't getting their whatever

01:02:04.580 medication or food or whatever. And I'm like, bro, like look at the demographics right now.

01:02:09.360 Europe and the United States are going to crash out within the next few decades. Okay. All of these

01:02:14.440 populations that you're sustaining in Africa right now, it's like a fish tank, right? And you're putting

01:02:19.360 in food every day. And I'm like, why are you doing that? We're about to go on vacation for like a year.

01:02:24.460 And you're like, well, you know, I don't want today to be the day. And I'm like, well, you could be

01:02:28.140 taking the time and effort that you're spending on the food thing and delay our vacation or figure out

01:02:33.340 some solutions. So we don't have to go on vacation, you know, but no, they don't want to hear that

01:02:39.120 because they don't actually care about these populations. They know this vacation is coming

01:02:42.400 and they don't care what happens in a lot of these countries when Europe crashes out, which is only a

01:02:47.780 few decades away from doing. Finally, I thought then they're like, okay, why, why shouldn't we care

01:02:52.780 about this issue? Like, like why, what's going to fix this, right? Fertility collapse. Number one,

01:02:57.820 automation and productivity increases. Technological progress will significantly increase

01:03:01.240 efficiency of many industries. Automation, AI, robotics will take over tasks, reducing the need

01:03:05.940 for human labor. The declining number of working people can be offset by higher productivity, thus

01:03:09.820 maintaining or even increasing economic performance. Physically demanding hazardous or monotonous work

01:03:14.720 will increasingly be handled by machines and AI. So first I want to be like, oh, so technology is

01:03:20.200 going to advance and solve problems when they're problems that your scheme has, but not when they're

01:03:25.700 problems that our scheme has, like the amount of food that can be produced in a region, right?

01:03:30.900 This seems like very much like, oh, so you are able to see that the technology is increasing the

01:03:36.360 productivity of things. Two, this is unlikely to work realistically. If we look at the way that AI is

01:03:41.620 increasing whilst with some populations, whereas draining it from other populations right now,

01:03:45.400 it's more likely going to exacerbate all of the problems associated with this than fix the problems

01:03:50.120 associated with this. But I will note that this isn't a problem for them. When I say a few people

01:03:56.620 are going to have all the money, and they're going to move to charter cities and countries that don't

01:04:00.000 tax them as much, what they'd say is, well, that's not relevant to our plan because we're trying to

01:04:04.020 create a global technocracy, right? And these rich people would have to live under the jackboot of

01:04:09.860 our global technocracy, just as the Africans in the Islamic regions have to. And I'm like, okay,

01:04:15.160 cool, but obviously you're not setting that up in the next three decades. And you're not going to

01:04:19.720 build enough movement to build that up in the next three decades. So it's just like a, well,

01:04:23.540 hypothetically, we could do X, which isn't going to happen and would honestly be horrifying if it

01:04:29.800 happened. Horrifying. Like the idea of people marching down like streets in Pakistan, shooting

01:04:37.260 anyone who's like having over that many kids are being like, oh, well, now we need to take you.

01:04:40.680 This child is not allowed to exist. And then the constant wars they would have with the religious

01:04:44.780 people. Anyway, then they talk about extending working life, right? And they have this whole thing

01:04:48.340 about how working life is going to extend, except in 2019 in the US, the average age was 78.8. The

01:04:55.760 last year we have a good measure for 2023, 78.4. So it's going down. It basically goes up and down,

01:05:04.080 but remains pretty stable. This is in the United States. If we look at Europe for 2019, you got

01:05:08.640 81.3. And then for 2023, you've got 81.5. So about the same. Yeah, everyone's going to die except for

01:05:15.820 Brian Johnson. Yeah. No, but the point being is that life extension technologies don't actually

01:05:20.160 seem to be having the impact that you would expect. I just think Ozympic is going to have a big impact

01:05:23.780 in numbers coming up. But the problem is that people seem to get more unhealthy as technology

01:05:30.900 increases as well. So that's part of the problem here, right? Education and skills development.

01:05:36.120 Again, we've said... Sorry, just a note, Malcolm, we do need to record a weekend episode still,

01:05:41.020 and we're running out of time. So can you... Okay, fine. I won't go over anything else here.

01:05:46.780 You get the idea. One thing they did want to do, which I thought was cool, is they want to make

01:05:50.080 English the world language. American, as I call it. American. Well, there we go.

01:05:57.120 That's nice. Okay. We'll go record that weekend episode. Just, you know, guys, no ill meaning here.

01:06:03.080 Like I can understand how you could come to these beliefs if you grew up in a different era than us,

01:06:07.020 or you're living in a different cultural environment. But, you know, what I want to fight

01:06:10.240 for is cultural autonomy for everyone. And then the systems that work can go on and thrive and

01:06:15.820 colonize space. And I think that that is the least coercive way to achieve realistic outcomes.

01:06:21.280 But I think you could say we're all for this system they propose within their own

01:06:25.780 city-states. Yeah. Like if they want to create a sovereign state that has this system,

01:06:32.260 and they believe it's going to produce the best human flourishing, we really want... Like,

01:06:35.460 I would love to see if this experiment works well. And maybe it does. So absolutely go for it.

01:06:42.100 No one in this organization has any kids. Or I'm sorry, that they're almost all below

01:06:46.020 repopulation rate. That's what I'd argue. Two kids or less. In which case, they're not relevant

01:06:49.180 to the future of humanity, because they're just not going to be around in the future of humanity.

01:06:52.280 I mean, you know, it really depends on how many flourishing grandkids and great-grandkids

01:06:56.380 kids are. Yeah, but I don't think kids raised in this culture are going to have well above

01:06:59.360 repopulation rate grandkids. Yeah. Well, I love it. Anyway, thanks for covering this. Very interesting.

01:07:04.480 What I like is that they also care about long-term human flourishing, and it's very interesting to

01:07:10.320 see their exceedingly different hypothesis on how to get there. So I'm glad they're doing what

01:07:14.880 they're doing, and I appreciate they're reaching out to us. Yep. Have a good one. Bye.

01:07:19.120 Now. Okay. People seem to enjoy the episode, by the way, on Nepo Baby Socialists today,

01:07:24.760 so that was good. Oh, can you hear me? Yeah, I can. Sorry. I was just getting a task started in my

01:07:34.420 vibe coding app. Can you hear me okay? Hello? Wonderful. And I am right now opening this so I can

01:07:44.820 see the scripts that I have for today. Nice. I think you'll find this really interesting,

01:07:51.460 actually. Yeah, I'm always interested in the way that people who aren't necessarily just full-out

01:08:00.160 antinatalists, but, like, just concerned about population, are looking at things. This might

01:08:05.800 dovetail also with, I was thinking of maybe just doing a paid members-only episode going over this,

01:08:12.640 but, honestly, it might dovetail really well with this, which is a very short sub-stack post that

01:08:18.860 Cremu did on the impact of having kids on environmental causes, like, whether it really

01:08:25.560 is a bad idea to have kids if you're worried about climate change. Oh, and what did he come to?

01:08:31.920 No. No. I mean, getting that as part of our advocacy, we can probably do a longer piece on

01:08:36.360 that. What I was actually thinking is I wanted to do another piece that does sort of what I'm doing

01:08:40.520 now, like, going over their own website and literature on the degrowth movement, if you're

01:08:45.400 familiar with that. Is this the one where they're, like, let capitalism just stop working and put debt

01:08:51.960 on everything so that nothing works anymore? Basically, it's like, let capitalism stop working and we'll

01:08:54.720 figure something out then. Mm-hmm. It first really got big during the pandemic, right? Or at least

01:09:01.100 that's when people started. Yeah. I mean, it's something that a lot of, like, big people,

01:09:04.840 like, I think Bill Gates is pro this. A lot of the EU is pro this. A lot of the UN is pro this.

01:09:09.900 So, you know, it's a big movement and pretty scary stuff.

01:09:14.640 Bill Gates, really? I thought Bill Gates was part of it, yeah.

01:09:17.440 Good Lord.

01:09:19.800 Or, like, stuff he funds is adjacent to it. Maybe he himself wouldn't be aware of that.

01:09:24.040 Because you've got to be, it's one of those movements that's just, like, pants-on-head crazy.

01:09:29.160 Right.

01:09:30.340 But...

01:09:30.740 Oh, the world is a mess

01:09:42.360 Teaming with excess

01:09:44.200 Too many souls

01:09:46.000 In this chaotic press

01:09:47.700 I am the master

01:09:48.900 The voice of control

01:09:50.560 With DeGroff's iron grip

01:09:53.360 I'll save its soul

01:09:55.500 One child prepare

01:09:57.000 That's my decree

01:09:58.800 A global command

01:10:00.760 I'll bow to me

01:10:02.520 The CPA watches

01:10:04.420 With unyielding might

01:10:06.380 No extra babe shall see

01:10:08.960 The light

01:10:10.960 Deep growth, deep growth

01:10:13.940 My glorious scheme

01:10:15.520 Shrinking the world

01:10:17.320 To fulfill my dream

01:10:19.120 Few amounts, less strain

01:10:21.060 The earth will obey

01:10:22.800 Bow to my vision

01:10:27.000 I'll fade away

01:10:29.860 In Thailand I strike

01:10:37.640 Though their numbers are few

01:10:39.380 I'll have them again

01:10:41.280 My plan will break through

01:10:43.200 Tanzania trembles

01:10:45.280 Their births I'll restrain

01:10:46.860 My technocratic will shall forever end

01:10:50.900 Second child, prove your wealth

01:10:53.280 Or beware

01:10:54.300 The tax grows heavy

01:10:56.140 I'll strip you bare

01:10:57.940 The rich shall fund

01:10:59.640 The poor's meager lot

01:11:01.480 Equality carved in my dystopian plot

01:11:05.780 Degrowth, degrowth

01:11:09.400 My tyrannical call

01:11:10.940 Culling the masses

01:11:12.900 I'll rule them all

01:11:14.580 CO2 fades

01:11:16.440 Resources align

01:11:18.120 The planet is mine

01:11:20.120 The planet is mine

01:11:20.160 Oh, isn't it divine

01:11:23.280 Fools cry freedom

01:11:27.500 But I see the truth

01:11:29.280 Your reckless breeding

01:11:31.180 Is vile, uncouth

01:11:33.000 Contraceptives for all

01:11:34.980 Abortions on cue

01:11:36.640 From 12 years old

01:11:38.620 I'll re-educate you

01:11:40.940 No culture escapes my global design

01:11:47.660 Your traditions

01:11:48.740 Your faith

01:11:49.700 I'll redefine

01:11:51.580 A monoculture blooms

01:11:53.300 So fragile

01:11:54.200 So pure

01:11:55.140 My sterile utopia

01:11:57.280 Forever secure

01:12:02.280 Forever secure

01:12:04.280 Edo, you'll beg

01:12:08.120 But you'll bend to my law

01:12:09.920 Refuse my terms

01:12:11.700 And your lands

01:12:12.620 I'll withdraw

01:12:13.280 Africa, Middle East

01:12:15.520 You'll kneel

01:12:16.300 Or you'll break

01:12:17.220 My soldiers

01:12:18.280 Will march

01:12:19.200 For the planet's sake

01:12:21.360 Thirty square meters

01:12:24.720 Two meals

01:12:25.700 No more

01:12:26.840 Standardized lives

01:12:28.480 Oh, who could want more

01:12:30.460 Work till you drop

01:12:32.120 Let the robots

01:12:33.180 Take flight

01:12:33.960 My technocratic dawn

01:12:36.140 Will snuff out the night

01:12:42.220 Degrowth, degrowth

01:12:45.320 My merciless creed

01:12:46.840 I'll prune humanity

01:12:48.380 To meet the need

01:12:50.460 The earth will kneel

01:12:52.220 To my sovereign command

01:12:54.060 A shrunken world

01:12:56.120 In my iron hand

01:12:57.960 So sing of my glory

01:12:59.880 Or quiver in fear

01:13:01.640 The future is mine

01:13:03.580 The end draws near

01:13:05.180 Degrowth, my anthem

01:13:07.160 My villain is hard

01:13:09.100 I'll rule the ruin

01:13:11.080 With a cold iron heart

01:13:16.740 With a cold iron heart

01:13:20.700 With a cold iron heart

01:13:21.280 With a cold iron heart

01:13:22.100 With a cold iron heart

01:13:22.140 With a cold iron heart

01:13:23.180 With a cold iron heart

01:13:23.920 With a cold iron heart

01:13:24.320 With a cold iron heart

01:13:24.920 With a cold iron heart

01:13:26.240 With a cold iron heart

01:13:27.320 With a cold iron heart

01:13:31.940 With a cold iron heart

01:13:35.940 With a cold iron heart

01:13:38.180 With a cold iron heart

Based Camp - October 21, 2025

Taking ＂Degrowth＂ Seriously： What is the Actual Ideology⧸Logic of Those Who Want to Shrink the World？

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