Based Camp - August 18, 2023


Testosterone, Status, Tate & Why The Billionaires Got Buff


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35 minutes

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193.95032

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6,818

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392

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17

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00:00:00.000 Like in the early days of tech CEOs becoming super wealthy,
00:00:04.260 they would wear pretty disrespectfully informal clothes
00:00:07.540 as a flex because they could.
00:00:09.320 And then I think we saw the height of it
00:00:11.660 with Sam Bankman-Fried.
00:00:13.160 If you look at the billionaires today,
00:00:14.820 they're pretty buff.
00:00:16.420 They are very muscular.
00:00:18.760 And the question is,
00:00:19.460 why are individuals doing this?
00:00:22.800 I think we need to take a little history lesson here.
00:00:25.100 If you want to understand why Andrew Tate,
00:00:27.080 like he talks about low T males,
00:00:28.520 except you can tell by looking at a male's face
00:00:32.440 how much testosterone they were exposed to
00:00:35.720 when they were in their developmental stages.
00:00:38.500 When you look at the far left and the far right,
00:00:40.240 they both seem to have body dysmorphia.
00:00:42.360 Would you like to know more?
00:00:43.700 Hello, Malcolm.
00:00:45.200 Hello, Simone.
00:00:46.260 I am excited to talk to you today.
00:00:48.180 So one of the things I've been doing recently,
00:00:50.200 because I was like, okay, well, Andrew Tate's,
00:00:52.360 a really big conservative influencer.
00:00:53.760 I wanted to really dive into his longer form content
00:00:56.160 to understand the underpinnings of his philosophy.
00:01:00.200 And a big part of it is be muscly.
00:01:03.580 Look like-
00:01:04.360 Is it like he actively advocates for people to lift?
00:01:07.280 Oh yeah, yeah.
00:01:07.760 And one of the things he points out,
00:01:08.940 and this is absolutely true,
00:01:11.760 is if you look at the billionaires today,
00:01:13.460 the people in our society
00:01:14.540 that are like top of the social hierarchy,
00:01:17.500 presumably,
00:01:17.820 a lot of them,
00:01:19.100 whether it's Bezos or Musk recently,
00:01:21.240 I don't know if anyone's seen him recently,
00:01:22.620 or Zuckerberg,
00:01:23.920 they're pretty buff.
00:01:25.560 They are very muscular.
00:01:27.940 Actually, it's very interesting.
00:01:28.960 So I think many people have this view of Elon Musk
00:01:30.660 from this one shot of him on a yacht.
00:01:32.560 But if you look at like recent pictures of him,
00:01:34.460 he looks Bezos-y.
00:01:35.860 That's what I would sort of think.
00:01:36.980 Bezos-y.
00:01:37.460 Oh no, doesn't he really?
00:01:38.120 Okay.
00:01:38.820 Okay.
00:01:39.300 But the point being is that
00:01:40.680 you see this sort of across the billionaire class
00:01:42.960 right now, right?
00:01:43.680 And so Andrew Tate's taking that as evidence
00:01:46.460 that look,
00:01:48.080 once you don't have any other needs,
00:01:51.060 you realize the importance of muscle.
00:01:54.600 And then he'd be like,
00:01:55.480 and it was as a man,
00:01:56.560 as a man,
00:01:56.980 maybe not as a man.
00:01:57.880 Of course.
00:01:59.400 And throughout history,
00:02:01.200 here you can see this.
00:02:02.940 The problem is it's throughout history,
00:02:04.080 you can't see this.
00:02:05.180 What you actually see
00:02:06.660 and what is actually going on here,
00:02:08.620 and this is a very interesting phenomenon to dissect.
00:02:11.280 So like,
00:02:12.180 let's talk about the luxury cars,
00:02:13.480 right?
00:02:14.220 If you are buying a pointless luxury car
00:02:17.460 to signal your status
00:02:19.080 or build a self-narrative of
00:02:21.280 I am a person with X type of things,
00:02:23.800 you need to actually think about
00:02:25.260 what you're giving up
00:02:27.300 when you spend three times on a car
00:02:29.420 what you would otherwise fit.
00:02:30.980 Sure.
00:02:31.960 It's the same with muscle.
00:02:33.420 There is a level that you need to exercise
00:02:35.900 to be at optimum physical health.
00:02:38.000 And then there's a level
00:02:39.440 way beyond that
00:02:41.760 where it is about signaling something
00:02:43.640 to your environment
00:02:44.900 or to yourself
00:02:46.080 or changing aspects of your chemistry,
00:02:48.940 which we can also talk about.
00:02:51.040 And the question is,
00:02:51.820 is why are individuals doing this?
00:02:53.880 I think we need to take a little history lesson here
00:02:57.320 to something that my parents pointed out to me
00:02:59.200 when I was growing up
00:03:00.260 and really helped me contextualize
00:03:04.080 physical status symbols.
00:03:05.900 Okay.
00:03:06.220 So when I was growing up,
00:03:08.380 my house,
00:03:09.260 they actually had a tanning bed in my house.
00:03:11.120 My mom had bought a tanning bed for tanning.
00:03:13.620 And my dad,
00:03:14.680 he pointed out to me,
00:03:15.380 he goes,
00:03:15.780 when I was growing up a long time ago,
00:03:17.200 you go back a long time ago,
00:03:19.180 having a tan was considered very low class.
00:03:23.780 The reason why having a tan
00:03:25.900 was considered low class back then
00:03:27.680 is because the lower classes
00:03:30.280 did physical manual labor.
00:03:34.780 So they would get tans
00:03:35.960 and then the wealthy,
00:03:37.480 and you can see this,
00:03:38.380 this is why historically,
00:03:39.620 you look at the old west
00:03:40.500 or something like that,
00:03:41.780 the high class women
00:03:43.020 would have these parasols all the time.
00:03:45.060 No, better than yet.
00:03:45.940 Have you seen like even middle ages,
00:03:47.720 I think like throughout history,
00:03:49.360 riding masks,
00:03:50.060 they're scary.
00:03:50.740 Like women would wear these.
00:03:51.800 Yeah.
00:03:52.900 Yeah.
00:03:53.120 So throughout most of history,
00:03:55.440 tans were considered
00:03:56.220 very, very, very low class.
00:03:57.640 Well, and even currently,
00:03:58.700 keep in mind,
00:03:59.280 have you seen like the sort of
00:04:00.300 bikini burka face mask things?
00:04:02.380 Well, I want to talk about
00:04:03.460 how this flipped again.
00:04:04.760 Okay.
00:04:04.880 Okay.
00:04:05.120 Yeah.
00:04:05.540 So then there was a generation
00:04:06.840 where tans became common
00:04:09.280 because everyone was like,
00:04:11.040 okay,
00:04:11.480 so first let's talk about
00:04:12.420 how tans became high class.
00:04:14.500 Well, what you had is a culture
00:04:16.320 where the lower class,
00:04:17.900 instead of working on farms,
00:04:19.580 because all that had been automated,
00:04:21.480 they were working at McDonald's
00:04:23.620 or whatever, right?
00:04:24.740 So the only people
00:04:26.180 who could spend all day in the sun
00:04:27.760 were rich people.
00:04:29.660 Who could go on,
00:04:30.640 especially like it became
00:04:32.000 to be associated
00:04:33.100 with expensive vacations
00:04:34.860 where you sat on a beach,
00:04:37.100 like it was a sign of luxury.
00:04:38.580 So tanning was a sign
00:04:39.240 that you could afford
00:04:40.160 to literally fly somewhere sunny,
00:04:42.040 especially like even
00:04:42.920 in the winter months.
00:04:43.940 So let's assume
00:04:44.860 that like the entire population
00:04:46.200 all works inside anyway,
00:04:48.260 but you know,
00:04:49.240 only the wealthy
00:04:49.940 would be able to fly
00:04:50.760 to some exotic beach
00:04:52.860 and get baked by the sun.
00:04:55.140 Yeah.
00:04:55.380 And then tanning beds
00:04:57.780 became common.
00:04:58.840 And on top of tanning beds,
00:05:00.820 fake tans became common,
00:05:02.480 right?
00:05:02.720 Yeah.
00:05:02.860 Very inexpensive
00:05:03.720 and they got better
00:05:04.380 and better and better.
00:05:05.640 And then you had this era
00:05:07.340 where,
00:05:08.600 and this always happens
00:05:09.660 when you have
00:05:10.060 these class signals,
00:05:11.320 right?
00:05:12.220 Is that often
00:05:13.280 the people who grow up
00:05:15.420 in very,
00:05:16.660 I guess you could call it
00:05:17.420 lower class environments,
00:05:19.300 end up overcompensating
00:05:21.280 was this classic,
00:05:22.320 right?
00:05:22.620 So today you'll see this
00:05:23.620 in things like jewelry,
00:05:24.740 right?
00:05:25.060 Where like a rapper
00:05:26.940 may just absolutely
00:05:28.100 cover themselves in jewelry
00:05:29.660 the way you would never
00:05:30.660 see anything else doing it
00:05:31.820 because they're like,
00:05:32.280 oh, this is a sign of wealth.
00:05:33.500 So I'm showing how much
00:05:34.120 wealth I have, right?
00:05:35.620 And you had this
00:05:36.120 with tanning as well
00:05:37.040 where they would get
00:05:37.660 these really deep,
00:05:39.580 almost comical tans
00:05:40.860 to other people.
00:05:41.480 And then where this
00:05:42.800 really began to become
00:05:43.780 broadcast and this had
00:05:44.920 become a lower class
00:05:46.640 or very nouveau rich.
00:05:48.240 So there's two sort of
00:05:49.320 groups of nouveau rich.
00:05:50.080 One group of nouveau rich
00:05:51.060 is a group that integrates
00:05:52.040 well with older money society
00:05:53.800 and they get considered
00:05:55.180 genuinely upper class individuals.
00:05:57.520 The other group
00:05:58.120 is a group that like,
00:06:00.000 I don't know if you
00:06:00.560 call them autistic,
00:06:01.320 but they don't really get it.
00:06:02.200 Like they get off
00:06:03.200 in some way.
00:06:03.680 And this is what like
00:06:04.360 Jersey Shore.
00:06:05.660 So Gen Z have no idea
00:06:07.960 what I'm talking about
00:06:08.560 when I'm talking about
00:06:09.000 like Snooki or Jersey Shore.
00:06:11.060 Actually, I discovered
00:06:11.860 recently that Jersey Shore
00:06:13.520 has a comeback season
00:06:14.680 on television right now.
00:06:16.260 So maybe they do.
00:06:17.940 Okay.
00:06:18.220 But anyway,
00:06:18.560 so this then advertised
00:06:20.260 for the general public,
00:06:21.700 oh, now TANS
00:06:23.680 are again lower class
00:06:25.640 because they are attainable
00:06:26.800 to everyone.
00:06:27.860 And they sort of
00:06:28.920 clueless class,
00:06:30.400 which is generally obvious
00:06:31.640 to both the high class
00:06:32.600 and the low class,
00:06:33.320 has gone overboard with them
00:06:34.920 as a means of status signaling.
00:06:36.980 And now we all know now
00:06:38.180 these are low class.
00:06:39.720 And so then,
00:06:40.640 as to Simone is talking about,
00:06:41.960 it has now again become
00:06:43.320 a quote unquote
00:06:44.760 upper class thing
00:06:45.880 to hide your face
00:06:47.660 from the sun all the time,
00:06:48.660 right?
00:06:48.860 Well, and this varies
00:06:49.980 across culture
00:06:50.840 and also like varies
00:06:52.220 depending on what technology shows.
00:06:54.760 I mean, obviously right now
00:06:55.960 there's a lot of emphasis
00:06:57.120 on either getting a fake tan
00:06:58.400 or not being exposed
00:06:59.800 to the sun at all
00:07:00.400 because another huge
00:07:01.720 class signifier,
00:07:02.740 or at least status signifier,
00:07:03.780 is youth,
00:07:04.440 especially among women.
00:07:05.640 So of course,
00:07:06.120 they're trying to hide
00:07:06.700 from the sun.
00:07:07.380 But I would say
00:07:08.240 that what you're describing here
00:07:09.340 is an oscillation
00:07:10.940 that has happened
00:07:11.660 basically as long
00:07:12.700 as there has been culture.
00:07:13.720 And you see evidence
00:07:15.300 of the oscillation
00:07:16.200 being dealt with
00:07:16.820 in really interesting ways.
00:07:18.240 For example,
00:07:18.600 there's a really interesting
00:07:19.780 course on Wondrium
00:07:21.860 slash by the teaching company
00:07:23.260 on food history.
00:07:24.380 And the lecturer talks
00:07:26.000 about how food,
00:07:27.320 food trends have oscillated
00:07:28.680 between like extremely complex,
00:07:32.120 disgusting,
00:07:33.380 really difficult to eat meals.
00:07:35.180 Imagine the turdumpkin
00:07:36.100 where you've got like a pigeon
00:07:37.160 inside a turkey
00:07:38.660 inside of whatever,
00:07:39.800 a swan.
00:07:40.700 And it's just like disgusting
00:07:41.700 versus like really simple food.
00:07:43.720 And a lot of it depended
00:07:44.660 on what people
00:07:46.360 of lower means
00:07:47.720 were able to do.
00:07:49.080 And they always want to copy,
00:07:50.400 of course,
00:07:50.660 people with higher means.
00:07:51.700 And then obviously
00:07:52.340 the people of higher mean
00:07:53.660 rebelling and trying to show
00:07:54.900 that they're different
00:07:55.500 from people of lower means
00:07:56.500 to play their status games.
00:07:58.300 It's like Baroque style, right?
00:07:59.820 You get to this stage
00:08:00.720 where it becomes so,
00:08:01.580 what was the style after Baroque?
00:08:02.800 Like ultra Baroque or something?
00:08:04.340 Rokoko.
00:08:05.000 I mean,
00:08:05.320 like post Baroque
00:08:07.120 was just Baroque
00:08:08.020 plus natural features,
00:08:10.040 sort of like,
00:08:10.460 you know,
00:08:10.620 more styles.
00:08:11.280 And dating back to like
00:08:11.580 simplism again.
00:08:12.900 Well, yeah.
00:08:13.180 And then we got neoclassical
00:08:15.080 where it went all back
00:08:16.320 to sort of Roman columns
00:08:17.640 and clean lines.
00:08:19.260 You went from like
00:08:19.780 really poofy dresses
00:08:20.820 to the empire waist
00:08:22.760 where you basically have
00:08:23.740 a female column of a dress.
00:08:26.140 But then of course,
00:08:26.620 you also have things
00:08:27.200 like sumptuary laws
00:08:28.340 where literally
00:08:29.020 it has been illegal
00:08:30.260 during many like periods
00:08:32.240 of history
00:08:32.920 to have shoes
00:08:35.620 of a certain length
00:08:36.640 or to have the clothes
00:08:38.180 of a certain color
00:08:39.080 or to just like
00:08:40.020 own certain objects
00:08:41.260 if you weren't
00:08:41.880 in a certain level
00:08:43.260 of society
00:08:43.940 because there's been
00:08:44.980 so much interest
00:08:46.060 and I think so much
00:08:46.760 like frustration
00:08:47.540 on behalf of like
00:08:48.800 wealthy people
00:08:49.500 who really want to
00:08:50.360 show off their status
00:08:51.480 of like,
00:08:52.700 God,
00:08:53.140 like these people
00:08:53.800 keep copying me.
00:08:54.780 How do I show
00:08:55.360 that I'm special?
00:08:56.280 Like guys,
00:08:56.840 just stop.
00:08:57.540 This is mine.
00:08:58.460 Stop copying me.
00:08:59.720 And this is how like
00:09:00.500 purple became
00:09:01.160 like a wealthy color,
00:09:02.220 right?
00:09:02.400 Because it was
00:09:03.140 really expensive to get
00:09:04.140 and you had to crush shells
00:09:05.200 that were only found
00:09:06.000 in like Phoenicia,
00:09:06.840 right?
00:09:07.020 And so it was
00:09:08.400 one of the major
00:09:09.060 Phoenician industries
00:09:09.960 and then people
00:09:10.960 would outlaw people
00:09:12.060 who weren't in the upper
00:09:13.420 classes from wearing purple
00:09:14.680 once it became easier
00:09:15.620 to copy these colors.
00:09:17.220 And you'll see this
00:09:17.920 throughout history.
00:09:18.800 Another really interesting
00:09:19.880 example here,
00:09:20.640 if you're talking about
00:09:21.120 people who aren't
00:09:21.700 from like the Western
00:09:22.360 cultural tradition
00:09:23.140 is you look at like
00:09:24.800 fat activists
00:09:25.340 and they're like,
00:09:25.840 well,
00:09:26.120 within some cultures
00:09:27.560 being fat
00:09:28.800 was considered high class.
00:09:31.140 And that's absolutely true.
00:09:33.320 100%.
00:09:33.760 But we also have
00:09:35.460 longitudinal studies
00:09:36.480 on those cultures
00:09:37.160 after they acquired
00:09:38.080 wealth and modernity.
00:09:40.260 And it turns out
00:09:41.280 that once there is
00:09:42.460 no longer food scarcity
00:09:43.800 within those cultures,
00:09:45.100 being fat immediately
00:09:46.120 becomes low class.
00:09:48.060 As soon as you introduce
00:09:49.720 them to modern food stuff
00:09:51.420 where if you are eating
00:09:52.660 like the more addictive,
00:09:54.160 cheaper foods,
00:09:54.800 you get better.
00:09:55.760 Those cultures
00:09:56.600 every single time
00:09:58.120 have actually flipped
00:09:59.020 to fat being low class.
00:10:00.300 And I would say
00:10:01.020 there's a really strong
00:10:02.120 correlatory factor
00:10:03.240 among people we know
00:10:05.180 and we know
00:10:05.840 and are friends
00:10:07.320 with people
00:10:07.840 at every level
00:10:08.780 of the income
00:10:09.560 spectrum, right?
00:10:12.640 I would say
00:10:13.940 that a really common factor
00:10:15.380 among those
00:10:16.080 at the highest
00:10:16.720 net worth level
00:10:17.600 like way, way,
00:10:18.460 like insanely high
00:10:19.680 is like the best diet
00:10:21.940 and the most disciplined
00:10:23.100 too.
00:10:23.760 Like levels of disciplines
00:10:25.140 that are like...
00:10:26.040 Chefs that make them
00:10:26.700 like fancy
00:10:27.380 like fish dishes
00:10:28.660 every day.
00:10:29.560 They're much more likely
00:10:30.280 also to just be
00:10:31.340 on very low calorie diets,
00:10:33.040 vegetables only.
00:10:34.140 There's no snack foods.
00:10:36.260 They're very careful
00:10:37.140 about those things.
00:10:38.200 And yeah,
00:10:38.520 it's definitely
00:10:39.260 not even necessarily...
00:10:40.860 Almost certainly
00:10:41.840 it's not about comfort.
00:10:43.120 Let's bring it back
00:10:43.740 to muscles
00:10:44.160 because I think
00:10:44.580 that's really interesting
00:10:45.280 and I'm thinking
00:10:45.800 about ancient
00:10:47.120 Greek and Roman statues.
00:10:48.880 People would be like,
00:10:49.760 yeah, see,
00:10:50.220 muscles have always
00:10:51.020 been a sign of status,
00:10:51.920 but I actually think
00:10:53.160 that muscles
00:10:53.600 were more a sign
00:10:54.380 of beauty
00:10:55.200 than they were really
00:10:56.760 a sign of status.
00:10:58.360 And when you look
00:10:58.880 at these statues
00:10:59.720 of famous leaders,
00:11:01.260 they are not
00:11:02.640 terribly muscular.
00:11:04.160 They are just
00:11:05.520 sort of like whatever.
00:11:07.340 You would have
00:11:07.780 muscular servants.
00:11:09.220 Yes.
00:11:09.300 And this is true
00:11:10.120 in a lot of these periods.
00:11:11.220 Yeah.
00:11:11.720 Yeah.
00:11:11.880 So why is muscle
00:11:13.540 big today?
00:11:15.260 And the answer is
00:11:16.840 because it is
00:11:17.560 the single one,
00:11:19.460 we haven't really found
00:11:20.820 a good way
00:11:21.200 to fake muscle yet.
00:11:22.660 Steroids are now
00:11:23.420 getting big,
00:11:23.980 so I expect this trend
00:11:24.840 to reverse,
00:11:25.460 so we'll talk about
00:11:26.040 that in a second.
00:11:27.200 But it is a thing
00:11:29.060 that assuming
00:11:30.160 no steroids
00:11:30.780 was actually pretty hard
00:11:32.100 for wealthy people
00:11:32.980 to fake,
00:11:34.080 hard for anyone
00:11:34.820 to fake to an extent,
00:11:36.220 and it required
00:11:36.840 an enormous time investment.
00:11:39.300 Building big muscles
00:11:40.840 as a man
00:11:41.980 shows there are
00:11:43.500 a certain number
00:11:44.100 of hours every day
00:11:44.820 to look like Jeff Bezos,
00:11:46.160 right,
00:11:46.920 that you don't need
00:11:47.760 to work.
00:11:49.000 And that is how
00:11:50.120 it became the class
00:11:51.000 status signal
00:11:51.560 of our generation.
00:11:52.620 The reason why
00:11:53.640 it will fall
00:11:54.340 as a class status signal
00:11:55.480 is everyone
00:11:56.400 basically found out,
00:11:57.700 okay,
00:11:58.120 like exogenous steroids,
00:12:00.520 so men generate
00:12:01.720 more of these
00:12:02.420 than women,
00:12:03.040 like endogenous steroids,
00:12:04.060 right,
00:12:04.240 more than women,
00:12:04.780 and that's why
00:12:05.100 it's easier for them
00:12:05.720 to gain muscle mass
00:12:06.500 than women.
00:12:06.860 That's why,
00:12:07.140 like on average,
00:12:07.640 men are like 50%
00:12:08.400 stronger than women
00:12:09.040 in most drinks tests.
00:12:10.320 But you can take
00:12:11.040 these external,
00:12:11.780 you can increase
00:12:13.400 your amount of steroids,
00:12:14.400 right?
00:12:15.280 Historically,
00:12:15.640 when we were growing up,
00:12:16.640 there was a lot
00:12:17.120 of these campaigns
00:12:17.900 meant to convince people
00:12:18.840 that like this caused
00:12:19.720 roid rage
00:12:20.500 and all sorts
00:12:21.100 of other negative effects.
00:12:22.620 The truth is,
00:12:23.260 yes,
00:12:23.500 it does shrink
00:12:24.300 the size of your
00:12:24.880 testicles
00:12:25.540 and some other things,
00:12:26.900 but generally,
00:12:27.580 the negative effects
00:12:28.220 really aren't that big
00:12:29.200 and there isn't any proof
00:12:30.240 that it causes
00:12:30.700 roid rage
00:12:31.300 the last I looked
00:12:32.620 into the research
00:12:33.160 on this.
00:12:33.820 So it's just really
00:12:35.060 not that bad
00:12:36.180 to take a-
00:12:36.620 It's just small balls.
00:12:37.800 It's small balls.
00:12:38.960 Well,
00:12:39.520 if the alternative
00:12:40.940 is class status signaling
00:12:42.220 and working out
00:12:43.040 three less hours a day,
00:12:44.540 which it really is,
00:12:45.940 like it dramatically
00:12:46.860 lowers the amount
00:12:47.520 you need to work out.
00:12:48.280 Well,
00:12:48.460 and my understanding too
00:12:49.220 is I've never really
00:12:50.120 heard about women
00:12:50.980 caring about ball size
00:12:52.740 and it doesn't affect
00:12:53.420 penis size,
00:12:54.060 does it?
00:12:55.100 No,
00:12:55.500 not as far as I know.
00:12:56.760 Yeah,
00:12:57.140 I guess no one really cares.
00:12:58.180 I've never been like,
00:12:58.800 oh my God,
00:12:59.220 have you seen how small?
00:13:00.560 a lot of people,
00:13:01.360 they don't care
00:13:01.840 about their kids,
00:13:02.420 right?
00:13:04.460 No,
00:13:04.700 so I guess the point
00:13:06.260 I'm making is
00:13:07.940 there was this campaign
00:13:09.520 that was run
00:13:10.380 and are used
00:13:11.400 to convince everyone
00:13:12.200 that steroids
00:13:12.740 are like this really scary thing
00:13:14.400 and the truth is
00:13:15.500 they're just not that scary
00:13:17.000 and because the ultra-wealthy
00:13:19.100 in our society
00:13:19.600 don't trust science,
00:13:20.360 I can tell you this,
00:13:21.040 we know the ultra-wealthy
00:13:22.000 in our society,
00:13:22.880 they do not trust science.
00:13:24.360 They do their own research
00:13:25.480 on everything.
00:13:26.060 They have their own researchers
00:13:26.900 working on everything
00:13:27.720 and they'll see how-
00:13:28.420 Oh, that's something
00:13:28.600 that's happening
00:13:29.060 regardless of level
00:13:30.720 of wealth these days,
00:13:31.560 I think.
00:13:32.080 Oh yeah,
00:13:32.360 well,
00:13:32.520 no,
00:13:32.620 everyone,
00:13:32.980 but I'm just saying
00:13:33.620 I think there's this perception
00:13:35.060 among the general population
00:13:36.440 that like the wealthy
00:13:37.300 still trust science
00:13:38.140 that do not.
00:13:39.060 No.
00:13:39.540 Not at all.
00:13:40.200 So they do their own research
00:13:41.240 on this stuff
00:13:41.800 and they'll be like,
00:13:42.260 okay,
00:13:42.480 it's not that bad.
00:13:43.200 So it's become really common
00:13:44.560 for them to use
00:13:45.400 exogenous steroids
00:13:46.420 sort of across groups,
00:13:49.820 you know,
00:13:50.640 liberty.
00:13:50.880 Do you think that
00:13:51.600 the problem here
00:13:53.220 is you've basically got
00:13:55.420 like what the actual
00:13:57.200 billionaires are doing
00:13:58.420 is they're putting
00:13:59.120 in the work,
00:13:59.760 they're doing the training,
00:14:00.920 like they're putting
00:14:01.400 in the time
00:14:01.920 because that's
00:14:02.940 like a flex
00:14:04.100 literally.
00:14:05.600 Well,
00:14:05.860 it was a flex
00:14:06.780 but the problem is
00:14:07.940 it's we're going to,
00:14:08.320 yeah,
00:14:08.520 we're going to have soon.
00:14:09.700 We have a bunch of people
00:14:10.380 who are cheating
00:14:10.960 by getting steroids
00:14:12.720 and it's funny,
00:14:13.740 like we've gotten
00:14:14.500 a lot of flack
00:14:15.120 for implying
00:14:15.880 that people
00:14:16.560 who are into weightlifting
00:14:18.120 are steroid users
00:14:20.540 but I've brought it up
00:14:21.760 with a bunch of people
00:14:22.780 and they're like,
00:14:24.440 oh yeah,
00:14:25.080 like at this gym,
00:14:26.400 yeah,
00:14:26.700 like huge proportion
00:14:27.640 and I'm just-
00:14:28.260 I honestly am perplexed.
00:14:30.140 When weightlifting people
00:14:31.260 come to us
00:14:31.740 and they're like,
00:14:32.280 how dare you?
00:14:33.120 I'm like,
00:14:33.860 are you really not
00:14:34.740 in the weightlifting community?
00:14:36.200 Do you really not know
00:14:37.680 how common it is?
00:14:39.120 And I think that
00:14:39.780 the only people
00:14:40.500 who really do that
00:14:41.560 are the people
00:14:42.080 who aspire
00:14:42.800 to the social status
00:14:43.860 of weightlifters
00:14:44.520 but aren't actually
00:14:45.260 in those communities
00:14:46.040 because everyone
00:14:47.020 we know in those communities
00:14:47.980 is like,
00:14:48.280 oh yeah,
00:14:48.440 yeah,
00:14:48.540 yeah,
00:14:48.640 everyone's on
00:14:49.100 acceptance.
00:14:50.680 It's incredibly common
00:14:52.240 because why?
00:14:53.900 It's very little downside
00:14:55.260 and it literally shaves
00:14:56.640 the-
00:14:57.220 who has time
00:14:59.600 to work out
00:15:00.080 four or three hours
00:15:01.120 a day.
00:15:02.140 Yeah.
00:15:02.520 Right?
00:15:03.680 Yeah,
00:15:03.920 some people do.
00:15:05.100 I guess if you're
00:15:05.600 extremely wealthy
00:15:06.620 and you have
00:15:08.120 like this
00:15:08.720 actual
00:15:09.520 like personal aesthetics
00:15:10.920 around I don't use
00:15:11.800 exogenous steroids
00:15:12.800 but if you can be-
00:15:14.940 then you can be out-competed.
00:15:15.880 Suppose I'm a social media
00:15:16.840 influencer,
00:15:17.380 right?
00:15:17.760 And one of them
00:15:18.300 is actually
00:15:19.040 working out
00:15:20.560 to get the muscles
00:15:21.200 and the other one
00:15:22.100 is cheating
00:15:22.480 to get the muscles
00:15:23.180 and then spending
00:15:23.700 the rest of the time
00:15:24.400 editing their videos,
00:15:25.840 working on ads.
00:15:26.420 spending more time posting,
00:15:27.860 yeah,
00:15:27.980 who's going to do better?
00:15:28.920 They're always out-competing.
00:15:30.120 This is why
00:15:30.620 the liver king
00:15:31.180 was the liver king.
00:15:32.020 10,000,
00:15:32.760 was it $10,000 a day
00:15:34.220 or something?
00:15:34.540 It was over 10,000.
00:15:36.620 Yeah,
00:15:36.940 that was-
00:15:37.360 10,000 on something.
00:15:38.620 But he was killing it.
00:15:39.360 Yeah, yeah.
00:15:40.140 And he was killing it.
00:15:40.880 He was killing it, right?
00:15:42.340 Because he had the time,
00:15:43.100 I guess.
00:15:44.440 But so for a lot of this
00:15:45.940 there's this belief
00:15:46.880 that then they'll say,
00:15:47.820 well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:15:49.120 Being muscly
00:15:49.840 has always been aesthetically manly
00:15:51.520 and it's like,
00:15:52.700 you are not a nerd
00:15:54.500 about history of fashion.
00:15:57.020 I am.
00:15:58.060 If you look historically,
00:15:59.560 yes,
00:16:00.440 a lot of the times in men,
00:16:02.120 some muscles,
00:16:03.320 because muscles have always
00:16:04.680 been gender dimorphic,
00:16:05.760 okay?
00:16:06.120 Yeah.
00:16:06.280 So men always had more muscles
00:16:07.580 than women
00:16:07.900 in the same way that like
00:16:08.640 women have breasts
00:16:09.260 and like big breasts
00:16:09.920 would show that you're more female,
00:16:11.520 right?
00:16:11.840 Like gender dimorphism there,
00:16:13.420 right?
00:16:13.700 Yeah, more muscles,
00:16:14.220 more male.
00:16:14.660 I get it.
00:16:14.920 But it's not the muscle groups
00:16:16.440 that we care about today.
00:16:17.820 You look at today,
00:16:18.800 it's like muscle, right?
00:16:20.820 Historically,
00:16:21.180 you look at like medieval England,
00:16:22.680 it's ankles.
00:16:24.280 It's all about ankles.
00:16:24.940 Oh, yeah,
00:16:25.120 no, it's the calf,
00:16:26.640 right?
00:16:26.860 That's the lower leg.
00:16:28.100 The calf muscle.
00:16:28.500 How big is this calf muscle?
00:16:30.040 Well, yeah,
00:16:30.600 in the French court
00:16:33.180 of Louis XIV,
00:16:34.420 a lot of it also came down
00:16:35.660 to, yeah,
00:16:36.020 like how your calf muscle
00:16:37.580 looked with your little tights on
00:16:39.020 and especially how you're,
00:16:40.260 essentially what became
00:16:41.120 your ballet turnout,
00:16:42.120 like when you turned out
00:16:43.240 your leg a little bit,
00:16:43.980 like how,
00:16:44.520 how basically how flexible it was
00:16:46.140 and how good your muscles looked
00:16:47.260 and your little tights.
00:16:49.260 And well,
00:16:49.500 I mean,
00:16:49.680 you look at the clothing.
00:16:50.300 Because that's gender dimorphic.
00:16:51.380 So men would have that
00:16:52.120 more than women.
00:16:52.780 So of course they focused on that,
00:16:54.040 but it wasn't the same muscle groups
00:16:55.580 we're focused on today.
00:16:56.720 Yeah.
00:16:57.060 And when you look at the clothing
00:16:58.120 of men who were considered
00:16:59.140 very dominant,
00:17:00.320 very high class
00:17:01.420 and very much like George Washington,
00:17:03.300 you can go to the Smithsonian Museum
00:17:05.000 of National History.
00:17:06.260 You can go and look
00:17:07.340 at one of his uniforms
00:17:08.240 and you will see
00:17:09.340 that the man was
00:17:10.100 freaking anorexic.
00:17:11.820 I could not fit into his...
00:17:14.620 Your ancestor, by the way,
00:17:16.480 George Washington.
00:17:17.020 My great, great, great something uncle.
00:17:18.500 Yes.
00:17:18.820 But I could not fit into his,
00:17:20.500 his uniform.
00:17:21.240 He was a thin man
00:17:22.800 and he was considered
00:17:23.960 extremely dominant.
00:17:24.880 I mean,
00:17:25.000 they wanted to make him king.
00:17:26.120 Yeah, I totally agree.
00:17:27.980 And even in the times
00:17:29.080 of ancient Rome
00:17:29.940 where I think there was all this,
00:17:31.020 definitely people celebrated
00:17:32.520 the male form
00:17:33.860 and the muscular male form,
00:17:35.400 but they were gladiators.
00:17:36.820 They were workers.
00:17:37.440 Like you,
00:17:37.880 you appreciated them,
00:17:39.100 but like the leaders,
00:17:40.280 the dominant in society.
00:17:41.480 This is actually true
00:17:42.380 about the 1950s.
00:17:43.460 So if you go back
00:17:44.140 at the 1950s,
00:17:45.020 you go back
00:17:45.460 back to this era
00:17:46.640 that a lot of people...
00:17:47.700 Like the raw egg nationalist,
00:17:49.200 the bronze egg proverb ideal.
00:17:51.400 Now,
00:17:51.580 what we always say
00:17:52.160 about this 1950s aesthetic
00:17:53.380 is that it was actually
00:17:54.440 created by Hollywood
00:17:55.220 at the time
00:17:55.740 and should not be looked upon
00:17:56.900 as like a standard
00:17:57.880 of what society
00:17:58.560 was actually like at the time
00:17:59.600 and they didn't care
00:18:00.160 about people then
00:18:00.780 any more than they say.
00:18:02.540 But,
00:18:03.520 having a lot of muscle
00:18:05.160 was considered low class
00:18:06.160 because it was,
00:18:07.580 it was a sign
00:18:08.560 of being a manual laborer.
00:18:09.680 Now,
00:18:09.820 we don't really have
00:18:10.580 manual laborers
00:18:11.460 to like,
00:18:12.600 there's not a lot of them.
00:18:14.000 If you're living in a city,
00:18:15.120 if you're living
00:18:15.600 in any of the centers
00:18:16.660 of quote unquote
00:18:17.840 culture within our society today,
00:18:19.400 you're not going
00:18:19.920 to see manual laborers
00:18:20.880 that they assume
00:18:21.460 if you have muscle,
00:18:22.580 it must mean
00:18:22.860 you have a lot of free time
00:18:23.640 during the day.
00:18:24.340 But in the 1950s,
00:18:25.300 that wasn't the case.
00:18:26.120 If you saw somebody
00:18:26.740 that's really muscular,
00:18:27.860 you'd be like,
00:18:28.280 oh, you're a dock worker.
00:18:30.040 Oh, you're Popeye, right?
00:18:31.720 Then this was not like,
00:18:32.980 no, no, no,
00:18:33.380 it's true.
00:18:34.240 It's true.
00:18:34.740 Muscles were seen actively
00:18:36.180 as a sign
00:18:37.020 of being uneducated
00:18:38.040 and low class
00:18:38.660 and that is only
00:18:39.400 just now beginning
00:18:40.740 to trend.
00:18:41.080 In fact,
00:18:41.500 when you look
00:18:42.080 at cartoon tropes,
00:18:43.140 which I think
00:18:43.580 are interesting indicators
00:18:45.200 that the muscular one
00:18:46.860 is the big stupid one,
00:18:48.860 the grunt,
00:18:49.680 which is sort of interesting.
00:18:51.700 I mean,
00:18:51.960 like there's Superman,
00:18:52.900 I guess,
00:18:53.420 you know,
00:18:53.700 who's like,
00:18:55.020 you know,
00:18:55.400 pretty muscular.
00:18:56.260 Oh, no,
00:18:56.400 but Superman,
00:18:57.260 when he's in human world,
00:18:58.540 he doesn't look muscular.
00:18:59.740 Yeah, that's true.
00:19:00.980 Yeah,
00:19:01.360 it's just when he throws
00:19:02.400 on the spandex.
00:19:03.200 He signals class
00:19:04.300 his big thick glasses.
00:19:06.800 It's his disguise.
00:19:07.900 I don't know.
00:19:08.380 Superman's probably
00:19:09.180 not the best example.
00:19:11.040 Okay, okay.
00:19:11.920 If you want to understand
00:19:13.140 why Andrew Tate
00:19:13.920 feels he needs
00:19:14.480 to have the body
00:19:15.100 he has versus
00:19:16.040 the reason why
00:19:16.780 I don't care about that,
00:19:18.340 I'd say,
00:19:18.940 look at our faces.
00:19:22.280 Oh, no,
00:19:22.580 what does his face
00:19:23.200 look like?
00:19:23.780 Oh, no.
00:19:24.420 Can he get work done?
00:19:25.400 I mean,
00:19:25.560 he could just get
00:19:26.140 jaw implants.
00:19:27.720 I think he has,
00:19:28.880 I don't have too much
00:19:29.640 pride for that.
00:19:31.320 Yeah,
00:19:31.540 I guess people would notice
00:19:32.440 if he got jaw implants.
00:19:33.760 Yeah.
00:19:34.300 I don't mean to like
00:19:35.280 insult somebody else's look.
00:19:36.980 You think it's compensatory
00:19:38.340 because he doesn't have
00:19:39.400 He does not have
00:19:40.780 a masculine jaw.
00:19:41.860 A highly masculinized face.
00:19:43.220 It is not a face
00:19:44.040 that was formed
00:19:44.700 in the presence
00:19:45.260 of testosterone.
00:19:46.400 It is a face
00:19:46.960 that was formed
00:19:47.620 actually in the absence
00:19:49.380 of testosterone.
00:19:50.120 He really looks like
00:19:51.320 if you imagined him
00:19:52.180 with a weaker body,
00:19:53.940 assuming he's taking
00:19:54.740 exogenous steroids
00:19:55.540 or anything,
00:19:56.040 you'd be like,
00:19:56.480 this is the face
00:19:57.920 of somebody who grew up
00:19:58.880 without any testosterone
00:19:59.760 in their bloodstream.
00:20:01.320 That's interesting.
00:20:02.200 I'm looking up.
00:20:03.240 Oh, interesting.
00:20:04.460 You see what I mean?
00:20:04.980 Maybe he went for the beard
00:20:06.180 to emphasize his jaw.
00:20:07.540 Well, I'm actually surprised
00:20:08.360 he doesn't have a beard.
00:20:09.260 If I had a...
00:20:09.700 In many of the photos,
00:20:11.240 I'm just looking,
00:20:12.100 I just Googled his name
00:20:13.100 and I'm looking at photos.
00:20:14.860 It looks like maybe
00:20:15.900 he has in many of these
00:20:17.720 various lengths
00:20:18.460 of beard going
00:20:19.180 to accentuate his jaw.
00:20:21.080 Anyway,
00:20:21.380 no, that's interesting.
00:20:22.180 Yeah, I mean,
00:20:22.840 so also be careful.
00:20:23.740 I guess that's another
00:20:24.300 good lesson in terms
00:20:25.160 of how to successfully
00:20:26.360 signal this kind of thing.
00:20:27.960 If you want to play the game
00:20:29.540 and you want to,
00:20:30.100 I don't know,
00:20:31.520 show off
00:20:32.220 because you don't find
00:20:33.680 people as disgusting
00:20:34.480 as we do,
00:20:35.820 you'd probably not do anything
00:20:37.380 that comes across
00:20:38.160 as compensatory.
00:20:39.360 Well, you can see
00:20:40.120 from a male,
00:20:40.860 like he talks about
00:20:41.620 low-T males,
00:20:42.480 except you can tell
00:20:43.880 by looking at a male's face
00:20:46.220 how much testosterone
00:20:47.920 they were exposed to
00:20:49.520 when they were
00:20:50.320 in their developmental stages.
00:20:52.300 It is very easy
00:20:53.740 if you have any
00:20:54.440 sort of biological training,
00:20:57.440 but you have either
00:20:58.140 gracile features
00:20:59.520 or you have robust features.
00:21:01.320 But, you know,
00:21:01.700 I would say that
00:21:02.280 my heart goes out
00:21:03.240 to everyone who has
00:21:04.240 these types of deformities.
00:21:05.680 Yeah, it's not there.
00:21:06.080 I know, for example,
00:21:06.820 like, you know,
00:21:07.300 many people don't choose
00:21:08.360 partners that show
00:21:09.220 any sign of deformity
00:21:10.500 or whatever
00:21:10.940 and facial symmetry
00:21:12.080 is a big part of that
00:21:12.900 and I have a decidedly
00:21:14.520 asymmetric face
00:21:16.020 where this part of my jaw
00:21:17.360 is way bigger
00:21:18.080 than this part,
00:21:19.120 meaning I was either
00:21:19.880 exposed to stress
00:21:21.580 or I have some kind
00:21:22.620 of deficiency.
00:21:23.160 That's not true.
00:21:23.660 Our kids have the same thing.
00:21:24.840 It's genetic.
00:21:25.480 I can't tell.
00:21:26.680 Okay, so some weird
00:21:27.400 genetic thing,
00:21:28.180 but I mean,
00:21:28.460 that still is a sign
00:21:29.200 of deficiency.
00:21:29.880 So I mean,
00:21:30.220 my heart goes out
00:21:31.020 to people who are
00:21:32.540 fucked up in the face
00:21:33.480 like me,
00:21:34.060 who are deformed.
00:21:35.340 I'm not saying
00:21:36.080 he's deformed,
00:21:36.940 but I'm just saying
00:21:37.720 like, you know,
00:21:39.100 like, I'm here for you.
00:21:41.140 They can't all have
00:21:42.080 the southern gentleman face.
00:21:43.800 I'm sorry.
00:21:44.660 Yeah.
00:21:45.500 I don't know.
00:21:46.260 Like, I still,
00:21:48.560 I still need the internet
00:21:49.660 to explain what,
00:21:51.120 like,
00:21:51.400 why they keep
00:21:53.900 saying you're so late.
00:21:56.260 I think it's because
00:21:58.180 of the way I talk
00:21:59.500 and act.
00:22:00.560 Like, you've even said
00:22:01.280 you act somewhat effeminently
00:22:02.820 in videos sometimes
00:22:03.780 because you just don't care.
00:22:05.280 Like, I have.
00:22:05.680 You literally don't give a shit.
00:22:06.920 No, but I think, yeah.
00:22:07.800 I mean, maybe that's why
00:22:08.760 I find it so confusing
00:22:09.820 that people find it
00:22:10.660 to be soy
00:22:11.080 because like,
00:22:12.220 being willing to do.
00:22:13.240 Well, because people
00:22:14.780 don't know.
00:22:15.320 They don't know
00:22:15.800 what it looks like
00:22:16.520 to have no anxiety
00:22:17.600 around gender presentation.
00:22:19.000 I think a lot of the right,
00:22:20.540 one of the things we joke about
00:22:21.420 and we'll probably do
00:22:21.880 a full video on this
00:22:22.600 is it's funny
00:22:23.220 that when you look
00:22:24.080 at the far left
00:22:24.680 and the far right,
00:22:25.380 they both seem
00:22:26.000 to have body dysmorphia.
00:22:27.500 They both have
00:22:28.700 unrealistic body expectations
00:22:30.300 for themselves
00:22:30.820 and unrealistic self-images
00:22:32.160 around their body image
00:22:33.480 as it exists right now.
00:22:35.300 I mean, I think a part
00:22:35.860 of that is
00:22:36.340 is because
00:22:36.800 we don't have
00:22:38.060 many role models
00:22:38.780 in our society today
00:22:40.080 that genuinely
00:22:41.740 do not care
00:22:43.680 if people are like,
00:22:44.380 oh, you're acting
00:22:44.820 kind of femme.
00:22:45.620 You're acting kind of
00:22:46.340 whatever.
00:22:47.840 I don't care.
00:22:49.540 I have a wife
00:22:50.720 and kids.
00:22:52.140 Like,
00:22:52.380 who am I?
00:22:54.760 Who am I performing for?
00:22:57.620 Yeah.
00:22:58.240 But here's
00:22:59.160 post-muscle world.
00:23:00.160 What is what is the next?
00:23:01.860 Call it.
00:23:02.460 I want to see.
00:23:02.920 I don't know what the next is,
00:23:03.700 but I really want to emphasize
00:23:04.700 to our viewers, right?
00:23:06.800 Is when you think about
00:23:08.340 the cost you spend
00:23:10.340 on the things in your life
00:23:11.360 that signal
00:23:12.000 self-narrative to yourself,
00:23:13.460 I'm a big, strong person.
00:23:14.540 I'm a meaningful person.
00:23:15.680 I'm a cool guy.
00:23:17.120 Or they signal
00:23:18.140 to your community,
00:23:19.720 genuinely weigh that cost.
00:23:21.980 How many hours a day
00:23:22.900 are you spending on this?
00:23:25.000 What are you getting out of it?
00:23:26.120 When you buy
00:23:26.880 a Ferrari
00:23:28.080 versus me,
00:23:29.960 a used Mazda
00:23:31.620 or something like that,
00:23:33.080 or me.
00:23:33.880 Your 2010 Mazda
00:23:34.920 is great.
00:23:35.700 Our most recent car
00:23:37.380 is used Ford.
00:23:38.560 Yeah.
00:23:38.980 Why?
00:23:39.560 Why are you spending
00:23:40.740 all of this extra time
00:23:42.160 or money?
00:23:42.880 Is it really,
00:23:44.120 other than this sort of
00:23:44.940 immediate dopamine hit
00:23:46.200 you get when you spend the money
00:23:47.380 and you show it off to people,
00:23:48.640 which,
00:23:49.160 let's be honest,
00:23:50.120 in today's world,
00:23:51.140 how many people
00:23:51.660 do you really have
00:23:52.320 to show it off to?
00:23:53.560 Not that many, okay?
00:23:55.600 It just doesn't matter
00:23:57.640 that much anymore.
00:23:58.920 Are you really gaining
00:24:00.600 something of commensurate?
00:24:02.240 I kind of disagree.
00:24:03.640 So I disagree
00:24:04.240 because I think right now
00:24:05.300 people have a bigger audience
00:24:06.600 than ever before
00:24:07.460 in some ways.
00:24:08.960 They're signaling their sin.
00:24:11.220 They're signaling
00:24:12.140 how easy it was
00:24:15.600 to corrupt
00:24:16.660 the things
00:24:17.820 that they were trying
00:24:18.500 to achieve
00:24:19.100 with their life
00:24:20.040 with vanity.
00:24:21.620 I don't know.
00:24:22.040 Anyway,
00:24:22.340 what I'm seeing
00:24:23.300 is when I look
00:24:24.800 at people younger than us
00:24:25.920 or I even just look
00:24:26.700 at people tiny bit
00:24:27.700 younger than us
00:24:28.400 and I see they post
00:24:29.360 something on social media,
00:24:30.340 the number of likes they get.
00:24:32.020 I'm like,
00:24:32.340 oh my God,
00:24:33.140 I don't like,
00:24:33.780 whoa, man,
00:24:34.400 are you famous?
00:24:35.360 No,
00:24:35.640 like they just,
00:24:36.520 their lives are online.
00:24:38.000 I think that the next place
00:24:39.900 and way that people
00:24:41.360 are going to signal status
00:24:43.700 and I'm using a heuristic here
00:24:45.660 of what is going to be hard
00:24:46.980 to legitimately do
00:24:48.160 unless you're actually wealthy
00:24:49.900 and you actually have time.
00:24:51.480 Like these are the two
00:24:52.480 sort of limiting factors
00:24:53.460 right now.
00:24:54.660 So what I think
00:24:55.560 and I'll hear your guests
00:24:56.540 after this
00:24:56.940 because I've primed you
00:24:57.680 with my perfect formula
00:24:59.520 is I think that
00:25:01.000 the ultimate way
00:25:02.100 people are going to signal status
00:25:03.140 is by looking in person
00:25:04.660 as good as they do online
00:25:06.600 because right now
00:25:07.460 a lot of people
00:25:07.940 are cheating online
00:25:08.960 with filters
00:25:09.500 and that's obviously
00:25:10.600 super easy to do
00:25:11.380 and everyone's getting
00:25:11.960 super normalized to it
00:25:13.200 and then only those
00:25:14.920 who are able to pay
00:25:15.860 for the plastic surgery
00:25:16.780 that makes them look
00:25:17.820 like their filtered version
00:25:18.840 of themselves,
00:25:19.440 only the people
00:25:20.040 who are able
00:25:20.560 to keep themselves
00:25:21.240 healthy enough
00:25:22.040 to not need
00:25:23.160 all the filters
00:25:24.040 and actually just look
00:25:25.120 like they do
00:25:25.620 both online and off
00:25:26.620 are going to be the ones
00:25:27.880 to be able to maintain
00:25:29.080 that divide
00:25:30.760 and it's going to be
00:25:31.700 a huge sign
00:25:32.600 of like genuine resource
00:25:34.640 or class or leisure.
00:25:36.480 What do you think?
00:25:37.540 I think you're right.
00:25:38.360 I think the other thing is
00:25:39.760 is a lot of people
00:25:40.720 would say followers
00:25:41.300 but not exactly followers
00:25:42.240 because those will be
00:25:43.000 easy to fake.
00:25:44.160 It is high status followers.
00:25:48.740 How many high status
00:25:50.780 people follow you
00:25:51.840 and interact with you
00:25:53.540 and talk about you?
00:25:54.720 Oh, so that's interesting
00:25:56.080 because not every platform
00:25:57.540 allows you to see
00:25:58.740 who follow you.
00:26:00.320 Yeah, so Twitter converts
00:26:02.780 very, very poorly.
00:26:04.120 X, whatever we want
00:26:05.780 to call it these days.
00:26:06.820 X converts very poorly.
00:26:08.280 It does not convert
00:26:08.920 to book sales.
00:26:09.640 It does not convert
00:26:10.280 to people coming
00:26:11.000 to our YouTube.
00:26:11.780 It does not convert
00:26:12.380 to sub-check followers.
00:26:12.860 But it's where people
00:26:13.460 can show off
00:26:14.180 who follows them.
00:26:15.400 But it's very good
00:26:16.060 at showing off
00:26:16.580 who follows you
00:26:17.680 and who respects your opinion.
00:26:19.360 So like we don't have
00:26:20.360 a lot of followers
00:26:21.000 on Twitter.
00:26:21.560 We've got like 5,000
00:26:22.460 or something.
00:26:23.300 But we have a lot
00:26:24.120 of really high status followers
00:26:26.300 which signals
00:26:27.540 people who can invite us
00:26:29.380 to parties and stuff, right?
00:26:31.860 Hmm.
00:26:32.480 I think that's a good one.
00:26:33.680 Yeah.
00:26:34.160 So we'll see.
00:26:35.240 Yeah, but again,
00:26:35.940 it has to be a thing
00:26:37.000 that, yeah,
00:26:38.300 that only those
00:26:40.320 with wealth
00:26:41.540 or status
00:26:43.300 or leisure
00:26:43.940 will be able to achieve.
00:26:45.220 And I think that those
00:26:45.820 are really the things.
00:26:46.860 It's still really expensive
00:26:48.080 to get plastic surgery
00:26:49.080 or to genuinely look
00:26:50.140 as good as you can
00:26:51.020 look online.
00:26:51.680 And it's only going
00:26:52.520 to get worse.
00:26:53.720 And it's genuinely
00:26:54.460 hard to get some money.
00:26:55.520 She's talking about
00:26:56.080 how important muscle is
00:26:57.100 as like a woman
00:26:57.600 in the 90s
00:26:58.120 talking about
00:26:58.500 how great a tan is.
00:27:00.320 Don't you know
00:27:01.820 that it's sitting
00:27:02.780 in the sun,
00:27:03.460 you're capturing
00:27:04.000 the rays of the earth
00:27:05.380 and exposing
00:27:06.500 your true femininity
00:27:07.920 and that's why
00:27:08.860 I do it nude
00:27:09.580 so that I capture
00:27:11.800 all of this
00:27:12.660 earth energy
00:27:14.100 and I'm genuinely
00:27:15.300 at one with my...
00:27:16.580 Hold on,
00:27:16.780 but do you know
00:27:17.720 about the whole
00:27:18.980 like men exposing
00:27:20.240 their balls
00:27:20.820 to the sun thing
00:27:21.460 going on right now?
00:27:22.140 There's like a current
00:27:22.760 trend of this.
00:27:23.580 I've heard it.
00:27:24.260 It's dumb as hell.
00:27:25.380 I know,
00:27:25.620 but I'm just saying
00:27:26.100 there's a lot of other
00:27:26.980 really weird stuff
00:27:27.900 that's going on
00:27:28.620 with like sun exposure.
00:27:29.740 You can't get anyone
00:27:29.980 to do dumb stuff.
00:27:30.940 The placebo effect
00:27:31.760 is really strong.
00:27:33.520 But I mean also
00:27:34.360 like tans help you
00:27:35.460 more easily conceal
00:27:36.460 blemishes
00:27:36.940 and other things like that.
00:27:37.940 I mean there's a lot
00:27:38.640 of reasons why people
00:27:39.540 like tans that don't
00:27:40.480 necessarily have to do
00:27:41.520 with social class,
00:27:42.540 but it is a good example
00:27:44.580 in how it oscillates.
00:27:45.760 And it is one of those
00:27:46.680 limiting factor things,
00:27:47.680 but I think that's the formula
00:27:48.700 is this something
00:27:50.200 that you can only get
00:27:51.760 because of status
00:27:52.480 or wealth
00:27:53.000 or a lot of leisure time,
00:27:54.260 which you know,
00:27:54.860 only those with resources.
00:27:56.700 Well,
00:27:57.000 and I also think
00:27:57.600 that the people,
00:27:59.020 we know a lot of wealthy people
00:28:00.520 from a lot of groups,
00:28:02.220 the ones who have been able
00:28:03.520 to resist this muscle trend
00:28:04.900 are also the ones
00:28:06.260 who don't own things
00:28:07.160 like fancy cars.
00:28:09.320 Yeah.
00:28:10.260 It's specifically susceptible
00:28:13.220 to the people
00:28:13.940 who need to show off
00:28:14.940 all the hot women
00:28:15.700 their whiz
00:28:16.240 and all their fancy cars.
00:28:17.880 And to a certain extent,
00:28:18.800 it exposes new money,
00:28:20.980 right?
00:28:21.480 Because-
00:28:22.360 Well, it wasn't new money,
00:28:23.100 but a level of insecurity,
00:28:24.360 a level of I earned money
00:28:25.800 just so I could signal
00:28:26.700 my status to other people.
00:28:28.140 Yeah, well, I think,
00:28:28.780 oh, here's an interesting
00:28:29.640 example of it
00:28:30.440 that shows the status cycle
00:28:32.340 is informally dressing
00:28:34.660 as a flex, right?
00:28:36.220 Like in the early days
00:28:37.720 of tech CEOs
00:28:38.880 becoming super wealthy,
00:28:40.600 they would wear
00:28:41.240 pretty disrespectfully
00:28:43.480 informal clothes
00:28:44.440 as a flex
00:28:45.280 because they could
00:28:46.080 because it just had
00:28:46.800 that much money
00:28:47.260 and they were still
00:28:47.820 not in the room.
00:28:49.000 And then I think we saw
00:28:49.880 the height of it
00:28:51.280 with Sam Bankman-Fried
00:28:52.440 who was not only
00:28:54.040 wearing very respectfully
00:28:56.360 informal clothes
00:28:57.100 but even behaving
00:28:58.380 disrespectfully,
00:28:59.300 like playing games
00:29:00.140 while on key interviews.
00:29:01.520 Oh, I love this.
00:29:02.300 Okay, so if people
00:29:02.720 don't know Sam Bankman-Fried,
00:29:04.300 FTX, big EA guy,
00:29:06.580 basically funded 80%
00:29:07.980 of all effective
00:29:09.100 altruism stuff.
00:29:10.260 Interesting, yeah.
00:29:11.020 And he would always flex
00:29:12.240 about how, oh,
00:29:13.160 like he was living
00:29:15.040 inexpensively, right?
00:29:18.140 Expensively.
00:29:19.240 So that he could give
00:29:20.460 all his money to charity,
00:29:21.700 okay, right?
00:29:22.560 But then you'd see him
00:29:23.780 on business meetings
00:29:24.700 and he'd be playing
00:29:26.200 League of Legends, right?
00:29:27.860 This was the famous thing
00:29:28.660 that he would do.
00:29:29.840 Why was he doing this?
00:29:31.120 This was not to give money
00:29:32.540 to effective altruism.
00:29:33.740 It was to show class status
00:29:36.120 through insulting
00:29:37.320 the other people
00:29:38.460 on the meeting
00:29:38.940 without having them leave.
00:29:40.180 The moment I saw that,
00:29:41.640 I knew all this guy
00:29:43.040 cared about with status
00:29:43.940 because you look at us
00:29:45.660 and the ways
00:29:46.560 that we save money.
00:29:48.660 We try to donate
00:29:49.320 around 50% of our yearly income
00:29:50.940 to charities
00:29:51.800 or causes like that.
00:29:53.360 And this has been
00:29:54.080 recorded in newspapers,
00:29:55.280 so we're not BSing this.
00:29:56.600 This is in like
00:29:57.100 Telegraph and stuff.
00:29:58.400 And we do that
00:29:59.780 through extreme
00:30:01.360 daily austerity.
00:30:03.180 But I would never
00:30:05.020 disrespect
00:30:06.200 a business partner
00:30:07.780 or waste time
00:30:10.140 that I could be spending
00:30:11.500 being productive,
00:30:13.020 being indolent.
00:30:14.880 Oh, indolent.
00:30:16.380 Whether it's video games
00:30:17.700 or the gym,
00:30:19.220 if it is not moving you
00:30:21.060 towards your objective function,
00:30:22.180 the thing that you believe
00:30:23.060 has value in the world,
00:30:24.200 right?
00:30:24.520 And I hope
00:30:25.220 that's not your personal aesthetics,
00:30:27.940 then it is a sin.
00:30:30.280 It's sinful.
00:30:31.020 And we all engage in sin.
00:30:32.740 I engage in sin myself.
00:30:34.280 This doesn't help me.
00:30:35.100 But at least
00:30:37.040 when I am doing it,
00:30:38.660 I acknowledge
00:30:39.740 the cost of that sin
00:30:41.920 to my lifestyle.
00:30:43.500 I do not pretend
00:30:44.800 like my sin
00:30:46.360 is a virtue.
00:30:48.540 Whether that...
00:30:50.100 Yeah, I think there's a...
00:30:52.420 In terms of successfully
00:30:53.680 signaling status,
00:30:54.880 like using these
00:30:55.780 in some way
00:30:56.720 rarefied commodities,
00:30:58.060 be it a tan
00:30:58.720 or a not tan
00:30:59.560 or muscles
00:31:00.180 or wearing informal clothes,
00:31:02.340 there's a level
00:31:03.140 of moderation
00:31:03.740 that's required
00:31:04.380 and there's also
00:31:05.020 a level of trailblazing
00:31:06.320 that's required
00:31:06.840 to genuinely show it,
00:31:08.080 right?
00:31:08.260 Because once everyone's doing it
00:31:09.700 or once a certain critical mass
00:31:10.940 of people is doing it,
00:31:12.280 it starts being seen
00:31:13.340 as a demonstration
00:31:14.620 not of status
00:31:15.580 or of genuine dominance
00:31:16.760 but of status anxiety.
00:31:18.700 And the reason
00:31:19.320 why you're doing it
00:31:20.000 or why you're doing it
00:31:20.720 in excess
00:31:21.240 is because you feel like
00:31:22.960 you need to signal
00:31:23.740 your status
00:31:24.300 and if you feel like
00:31:25.260 you need to signal
00:31:25.900 your status,
00:31:26.600 it's because you
00:31:27.400 personally at least
00:31:28.940 don't feel like
00:31:29.460 you have it
00:31:29.900 in the first place.
00:31:31.080 I think that's why
00:31:31.780 many, for example,
00:31:32.560 designer brands
00:31:33.400 have come to be seen
00:31:34.680 as actually quite trashy
00:31:35.960 by many groups
00:31:36.740 because like
00:31:37.120 it's pretty trashy
00:31:38.820 these days, right?
00:31:39.580 Yes, because the groups
00:31:40.760 who are desperate
00:31:41.800 to signal status
00:31:42.760 are getting it in excess.
00:31:45.000 So I think
00:31:45.380 if there's also
00:31:46.240 a takeaway on like
00:31:47.280 how to leverage
00:31:49.540 this dynamic
00:31:50.200 in a way
00:31:50.620 that genuinely
00:31:51.280 impresses people,
00:31:52.840 one, don't do something
00:31:53.840 that's overplayed
00:31:55.400 and two,
00:31:56.000 just look for something
00:31:56.960 it can even be unique
00:31:58.380 that just demonstrates
00:31:59.200 that you have more time
00:32:00.620 or money or resources
00:32:01.640 and other people
00:32:02.440 but honestly
00:32:03.340 like the copycat approach
00:32:04.800 doing it by currently
00:32:06.280 like getting more muscle
00:32:07.580 or flexing
00:32:08.540 that you can be informal
00:32:09.380 somewhere
00:32:09.880 or even traveling
00:32:11.200 to expensive vacation
00:32:12.660 destinations
00:32:13.200 just isn't really
00:32:14.080 going to impress
00:32:14.740 people anymore
00:32:15.320 because it's being
00:32:16.600 it's already being
00:32:18.400 signaled by too many
00:32:19.520 people who are
00:32:20.440 extremely status anxious.
00:32:22.460 Yep.
00:32:23.380 Oh, well, still
00:32:24.240 I love talking about this.
00:32:25.400 I'm really excited
00:32:26.360 to see how we're
00:32:27.740 going to tackle this
00:32:28.580 with our kids
00:32:29.340 when they all become
00:32:30.300 very self-conscious
00:32:31.340 around puberty.
00:32:32.540 It's one thing
00:32:33.400 for us to feel
00:32:34.060 comfortable with the subjects
00:32:35.180 and to be comfortable
00:32:35.940 with ourselves
00:32:36.660 but helping a teenage
00:32:39.620 young adult
00:32:40.900 make it through this
00:32:42.320 is it possible?
00:32:43.500 I don't know.
00:32:44.020 I mean, I think it
00:32:44.860 honestly, I don't think
00:32:45.540 in Amish communities
00:32:46.360 you're seeing huge levels
00:32:47.480 of body dysmorphia.
00:32:48.860 I think that
00:32:49.220 they aren't.
00:32:50.220 Yeah.
00:32:50.840 But anyway, I'm looking
00:32:51.660 for detectives.
00:32:52.120 It's interesting
00:32:52.720 within Amish communities
00:32:53.740 because class
00:32:55.000 is not determined
00:32:56.200 by wealth.
00:32:57.680 In any extent.
00:33:00.200 The class status
00:33:01.600 signaling is around
00:33:02.280 things like beard links.
00:33:03.920 It's around things
00:33:04.980 like biblical knowledge.
00:33:06.740 There are many different
00:33:07.740 ways you can determine
00:33:08.640 I like that both beard
00:33:09.680 length and biblical
00:33:10.600 knowledge are both.
00:33:11.920 Well, there was a
00:33:12.840 hate crime case recently
00:33:14.240 and actually
00:33:14.920 some Amish
00:33:15.680 cut off other
00:33:16.460 Amish men's beards.
00:33:18.040 Oh, shots fired.
00:33:20.520 I know you see
00:33:21.460 that as trivial
00:33:22.260 but to them.
00:33:23.160 No, I don't know.
00:33:23.840 I learned from
00:33:24.720 Shanghai Noon
00:33:26.020 with Jackie Chan
00:33:27.860 that having
00:33:28.740 hair cut off
00:33:30.160 is like
00:33:30.740 super not cool.
00:33:32.440 All right.
00:33:32.880 But yeah,
00:33:33.240 this is true
00:33:33.840 in some like
00:33:34.420 Asian communities.
00:33:35.520 Like the top knot.
00:33:36.480 Man, no.
00:33:37.220 Like the ceremonial hair
00:33:38.580 you do not
00:33:39.260 you do not touch
00:33:40.300 in any culture
00:33:41.480 with any gender
00:33:42.520 you do not
00:33:43.260 you do not touch
00:33:44.020 weave
00:33:44.460 you do not touch
00:33:45.620 ceremonial top knots
00:33:46.960 and you do not
00:33:47.400 touch a beard.
00:33:48.100 Just draw the line.
00:33:48.920 But anyway, Malcolm
00:33:49.500 we got to move on
00:33:50.380 with our lives.
00:33:51.060 It is so wonderful
00:33:51.980 to have you back
00:33:52.680 from a business trip.
00:33:53.500 I love you so much.
00:33:55.260 I love you so much.
00:33:55.780 You are amazing.
00:33:57.400 You are so great
00:33:58.980 to be married to.
00:33:59.860 When you were gone
00:34:00.960 every moment
00:34:02.020 was suffering
00:34:02.880 because you
00:34:04.080 are just
00:34:05.780 such an amazing
00:34:07.380 integral part
00:34:08.620 of my
00:34:09.660 daily
00:34:10.420 feeling
00:34:11.740 of
00:34:12.440 of completeness.
00:34:13.980 And Malcolm
00:34:14.220 you are my status
00:34:15.980 signal
00:34:16.700 my status
00:34:17.400 totem.
00:34:18.140 Yeah, I heard
00:34:18.780 when you left
00:34:19.160 everyone was like
00:34:19.580 are you a model?
00:34:20.840 And I was like
00:34:21.380 that made me feel good
00:34:22.520 because I was like
00:34:23.420 Oh, so yeah
00:34:23.820 I'm your trophy wife
00:34:24.780 and you're my
00:34:25.400 my status
00:34:27.800 my trophy husband
00:34:28.460 My favorite moment
00:34:30.100 in the pronatalist
00:34:31.240 saying was
00:34:31.860 there was this person
00:34:32.400 on Twitter being like
00:34:33.060 oh, these people
00:34:33.680 are disgusting
00:34:34.240 and someone was like
00:34:34.800 don't you know
00:34:36.100 that they don't
00:34:36.720 actually look like that?
00:34:37.660 That's a pair of models
00:34:38.580 that was hired
00:34:39.560 to promote
00:34:41.000 the pronatalist movement
00:34:42.120 and
00:34:43.140 Yeah, it was like
00:34:44.200 the best
00:34:44.660 like
00:34:45.060 insult
00:34:46.160 that was really
00:34:47.200 a compliment
00:34:47.800 that was totally
00:34:49.080 not meant as a compliment
00:34:49.980 that was
00:34:50.580 incredibly sweet
00:34:51.640 whoever, you out there
00:34:52.900 You out there
00:34:54.220 who tried to insult us
00:34:55.300 with that
00:34:55.660 it really meant
00:34:56.780 the world to us
00:34:57.380 I have been riding
00:34:58.400 on that horse
00:34:59.180 for a long time
00:35:00.320 Yeah, the best thing
00:35:01.080 we ever heard, man
00:35:01.880 Yeah
00:35:02.360 All right, Malcolm
00:35:03.580 See you downstairs
00:35:05.140 Have a good one
00:35:06.180 I have been riding on that horse
00:35:07.920 I have been riding on that horse
00:35:08.620 I have been riding on that horse