Based Camp - Testosterone, Status, Tate & Why The Billionaires Got Buff

00:00:00.000 Like in the early days of tech CEOs becoming super wealthy,

00:00:04.260 they would wear pretty disrespectfully informal clothes

00:00:07.540 as a flex because they could.

00:00:09.320 And then I think we saw the height of it

00:00:11.660 with Sam Bankman-Fried.

00:00:13.160 If you look at the billionaires today,

00:00:14.820 they're pretty buff.

00:00:16.420 They are very muscular.

00:00:18.760 And the question is,

00:00:19.460 why are individuals doing this?

00:00:22.800 I think we need to take a little history lesson here.

00:00:25.100 If you want to understand why Andrew Tate,

00:00:27.080 like he talks about low T males,

00:00:28.520 except you can tell by looking at a male's face

00:00:32.440 how much testosterone they were exposed to

00:00:35.720 when they were in their developmental stages.

00:00:38.500 When you look at the far left and the far right,

00:00:40.240 they both seem to have body dysmorphia.

00:00:42.360 Would you like to know more?

00:00:43.700 Hello, Malcolm.

00:00:45.200 Hello, Simone.

00:00:46.260 I am excited to talk to you today.

00:00:48.180 So one of the things I've been doing recently,

00:00:50.200 because I was like, okay, well, Andrew Tate's,

00:00:52.360 a really big conservative influencer.

00:00:53.760 I wanted to really dive into his longer form content

00:00:56.160 to understand the underpinnings of his philosophy.

00:01:00.200 And a big part of it is be muscly.

00:01:03.580 Look like-

00:01:04.360 Is it like he actively advocates for people to lift?

00:01:07.280 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:01:07.760 And one of the things he points out,

00:01:08.940 and this is absolutely true,

00:01:11.760 is if you look at the billionaires today,

00:01:13.460 the people in our society

00:01:14.540 that are like top of the social hierarchy,

00:01:17.500 presumably,

00:01:17.820 a lot of them,

00:01:19.100 whether it's Bezos or Musk recently,

00:01:21.240 I don't know if anyone's seen him recently,

00:01:22.620 or Zuckerberg,

00:01:23.920 they're pretty buff.

00:01:25.560 They are very muscular.

00:01:27.940 Actually, it's very interesting.

00:01:28.960 So I think many people have this view of Elon Musk

00:01:30.660 from this one shot of him on a yacht.

00:01:32.560 But if you look at like recent pictures of him,

00:01:34.460 he looks Bezos-y.

00:01:35.860 That's what I would sort of think.

00:01:36.980 Bezos-y.

00:01:37.460 Oh no, doesn't he really?

00:01:38.120 Okay.

00:01:38.820 Okay.

00:01:39.300 But the point being is that

00:01:40.680 you see this sort of across the billionaire class

00:01:42.960 right now, right?

00:01:43.680 And so Andrew Tate's taking that as evidence

00:01:46.460 that look,

00:01:48.080 once you don't have any other needs,

00:01:51.060 you realize the importance of muscle.

00:01:54.600 And then he'd be like,

00:01:55.480 and it was as a man,

00:01:56.560 as a man,

00:01:56.980 maybe not as a man.

00:01:57.880 Of course.

00:01:59.400 And throughout history,

00:02:01.200 here you can see this.

00:02:02.940 The problem is it's throughout history,

00:02:04.080 you can't see this.

00:02:05.180 What you actually see

00:02:06.660 and what is actually going on here,

00:02:08.620 and this is a very interesting phenomenon to dissect.

00:02:11.280 So like,

00:02:12.180 let's talk about the luxury cars,

00:02:13.480 right?

00:02:14.220 If you are buying a pointless luxury car

00:02:17.460 to signal your status

00:02:19.080 or build a self-narrative of

00:02:21.280 I am a person with X type of things,

00:02:23.800 you need to actually think about

00:02:25.260 what you're giving up

00:02:27.300 when you spend three times on a car

00:02:29.420 what you would otherwise fit.

00:02:30.980 Sure.

00:02:31.960 It's the same with muscle.

00:02:33.420 There is a level that you need to exercise

00:02:35.900 to be at optimum physical health.

00:02:38.000 And then there's a level

00:02:39.440 way beyond that

00:02:41.760 where it is about signaling something

00:02:43.640 to your environment

00:02:44.900 or to yourself

00:02:46.080 or changing aspects of your chemistry,

00:02:48.940 which we can also talk about.

00:02:51.040 And the question is,

00:02:51.820 is why are individuals doing this?

00:02:53.880 I think we need to take a little history lesson here

00:02:57.320 to something that my parents pointed out to me

00:02:59.200 when I was growing up

00:03:00.260 and really helped me contextualize

00:03:04.080 physical status symbols.

00:03:05.900 Okay.

00:03:06.220 So when I was growing up,

00:03:08.380 my house,

00:03:09.260 they actually had a tanning bed in my house.

00:03:11.120 My mom had bought a tanning bed for tanning.

00:03:13.620 And my dad,

00:03:14.680 he pointed out to me,

00:03:15.380 he goes,

00:03:15.780 when I was growing up a long time ago,

00:03:17.200 you go back a long time ago,

00:03:19.180 having a tan was considered very low class.

00:03:23.780 The reason why having a tan

00:03:25.900 was considered low class back then

00:03:27.680 is because the lower classes

00:03:30.280 did physical manual labor.

00:03:34.780 So they would get tans

00:03:35.960 and then the wealthy,

00:03:37.480 and you can see this,

00:03:38.380 this is why historically,

00:03:39.620 you look at the old west

00:03:40.500 or something like that,

00:03:41.780 the high class women

00:03:43.020 would have these parasols all the time.

00:03:45.060 No, better than yet.

00:03:45.940 Have you seen like even middle ages,

00:03:47.720 I think like throughout history,

00:03:49.360 riding masks,

00:03:50.060 they're scary.

00:03:50.740 Like women would wear these.

00:03:51.800 Yeah.

00:03:52.900 Yeah.

00:03:53.120 So throughout most of history,

00:03:55.440 tans were considered

00:03:56.220 very, very, very low class.

00:03:57.640 Well, and even currently,

00:03:58.700 keep in mind,

00:03:59.280 have you seen like the sort of

00:04:00.300 bikini burka face mask things?

00:04:02.380 Well, I want to talk about

00:04:03.460 how this flipped again.

00:04:04.760 Okay.

00:04:04.880 Okay.

00:04:05.120 Yeah.

00:04:05.540 So then there was a generation

00:04:06.840 where tans became common

00:04:09.280 because everyone was like,

00:04:11.040 okay,

00:04:11.480 so first let's talk about

00:04:12.420 how tans became high class.

00:04:14.500 Well, what you had is a culture

00:04:16.320 where the lower class,

00:04:17.900 instead of working on farms,

00:04:19.580 because all that had been automated,

00:04:21.480 they were working at McDonald's

00:04:23.620 or whatever, right?

00:04:24.740 So the only people

00:04:26.180 who could spend all day in the sun

00:04:27.760 were rich people.

00:04:29.660 Who could go on,

00:04:30.640 especially like it became

00:04:32.000 to be associated

00:04:33.100 with expensive vacations

00:04:34.860 where you sat on a beach,

00:04:37.100 like it was a sign of luxury.

00:04:38.580 So tanning was a sign

00:04:39.240 that you could afford

00:04:40.160 to literally fly somewhere sunny,

00:04:42.040 especially like even

00:04:42.920 in the winter months.

00:04:43.940 So let's assume

00:04:44.860 that like the entire population

00:04:46.200 all works inside anyway,

00:04:48.260 but you know,

00:04:49.240 only the wealthy

00:04:49.940 would be able to fly

00:04:50.760 to some exotic beach

00:04:52.860 and get baked by the sun.

00:04:55.140 Yeah.

00:04:55.380 And then tanning beds

00:04:57.780 became common.

00:04:58.840 And on top of tanning beds,

00:05:00.820 fake tans became common,

00:05:02.480 right?

00:05:02.720 Yeah.

00:05:02.860 Very inexpensive

00:05:03.720 and they got better

00:05:04.380 and better and better.

00:05:05.640 And then you had this era

00:05:07.340 where,

00:05:08.600 and this always happens

00:05:09.660 when you have

00:05:10.060 these class signals,

00:05:11.320 right?

00:05:12.220 Is that often

00:05:13.280 the people who grow up

00:05:15.420 in very,

00:05:16.660 I guess you could call it

00:05:17.420 lower class environments,

00:05:19.300 end up overcompensating

00:05:21.280 was this classic,

00:05:22.320 right?

00:05:22.620 So today you'll see this

00:05:23.620 in things like jewelry,

00:05:24.740 right?

00:05:25.060 Where like a rapper

00:05:26.940 may just absolutely

00:05:28.100 cover themselves in jewelry

00:05:29.660 the way you would never

00:05:30.660 see anything else doing it

00:05:31.820 because they're like,

00:05:32.280 oh, this is a sign of wealth.

00:05:33.500 So I'm showing how much

00:05:34.120 wealth I have, right?

00:05:35.620 And you had this

00:05:36.120 with tanning as well

00:05:37.040 where they would get

00:05:37.660 these really deep,

00:05:39.580 almost comical tans

00:05:40.860 to other people.

00:05:41.480 And then where this

00:05:42.800 really began to become

00:05:43.780 broadcast and this had

00:05:44.920 become a lower class

00:05:46.640 or very nouveau rich.

00:05:48.240 So there's two sort of

00:05:49.320 groups of nouveau rich.

00:05:50.080 One group of nouveau rich

00:05:51.060 is a group that integrates

00:05:52.040 well with older money society

00:05:53.800 and they get considered

00:05:55.180 genuinely upper class individuals.

00:05:57.520 The other group

00:05:58.120 is a group that like,

00:06:00.000 I don't know if you

00:06:00.560 call them autistic,

00:06:01.320 but they don't really get it.

00:06:02.200 Like they get off

00:06:03.200 in some way.

00:06:03.680 And this is what like

00:06:04.360 Jersey Shore.

00:06:05.660 So Gen Z have no idea

00:06:07.960 what I'm talking about

00:06:08.560 when I'm talking about

00:06:09.000 like Snooki or Jersey Shore.

00:06:11.060 Actually, I discovered

00:06:11.860 recently that Jersey Shore

00:06:13.520 has a comeback season

00:06:14.680 on television right now.

00:06:16.260 So maybe they do.

00:06:17.940 Okay.

00:06:18.220 But anyway,

00:06:18.560 so this then advertised

00:06:20.260 for the general public,

00:06:21.700 oh, now TANS

00:06:23.680 are again lower class

00:06:25.640 because they are attainable

00:06:26.800 to everyone.

00:06:27.860 And they sort of

00:06:28.920 clueless class,

00:06:30.400 which is generally obvious

00:06:31.640 to both the high class

00:06:32.600 and the low class,

00:06:33.320 has gone overboard with them

00:06:34.920 as a means of status signaling.

00:06:36.980 And now we all know now

00:06:38.180 these are low class.

00:06:39.720 And so then,

00:06:40.640 as to Simone is talking about,

00:06:41.960 it has now again become

00:06:43.320 a quote unquote

00:06:44.760 upper class thing

00:06:45.880 to hide your face

00:06:47.660 from the sun all the time,

00:06:48.660 right?

00:06:48.860 Well, and this varies

00:06:49.980 across culture

00:06:50.840 and also like varies

00:06:52.220 depending on what technology shows.

00:06:54.760 I mean, obviously right now

00:06:55.960 there's a lot of emphasis

00:06:57.120 on either getting a fake tan

00:06:58.400 or not being exposed

00:06:59.800 to the sun at all

00:07:00.400 because another huge

00:07:01.720 class signifier,

00:07:02.740 or at least status signifier,

00:07:03.780 is youth,

00:07:04.440 especially among women.

00:07:05.640 So of course,

00:07:06.120 they're trying to hide

00:07:06.700 from the sun.

00:07:07.380 But I would say

00:07:08.240 that what you're describing here

00:07:09.340 is an oscillation

00:07:10.940 that has happened

00:07:11.660 basically as long

00:07:12.700 as there has been culture.

00:07:13.720 And you see evidence

00:07:15.300 of the oscillation

00:07:16.200 being dealt with

00:07:16.820 in really interesting ways.

00:07:18.240 For example,

00:07:18.600 there's a really interesting

00:07:19.780 course on Wondrium

00:07:21.860 slash by the teaching company

00:07:23.260 on food history.

00:07:24.380 And the lecturer talks

00:07:26.000 about how food,

00:07:27.320 food trends have oscillated

00:07:28.680 between like extremely complex,

00:07:32.120 disgusting,

00:07:33.380 really difficult to eat meals.

00:07:35.180 Imagine the turdumpkin

00:07:36.100 where you've got like a pigeon

00:07:37.160 inside a turkey

00:07:38.660 inside of whatever,

00:07:39.800 a swan.

00:07:40.700 And it's just like disgusting

00:07:41.700 versus like really simple food.

00:07:43.720 And a lot of it depended

00:07:44.660 on what people

00:07:46.360 of lower means

00:07:47.720 were able to do.

00:07:49.080 And they always want to copy,

00:07:50.400 of course,

00:07:50.660 people with higher means.

00:07:51.700 And then obviously

00:07:52.340 the people of higher mean

00:07:53.660 rebelling and trying to show

00:07:54.900 that they're different

00:07:55.500 from people of lower means

00:07:56.500 to play their status games.

00:07:58.300 It's like Baroque style, right?

00:07:59.820 You get to this stage

00:08:00.720 where it becomes so,

00:08:01.580 what was the style after Baroque?

00:08:02.800 Like ultra Baroque or something?

00:08:04.340 Rokoko.

00:08:05.000 I mean,

00:08:05.320 like post Baroque

00:08:07.120 was just Baroque

00:08:08.020 plus natural features,

00:08:10.040 sort of like,

00:08:10.460 you know,

00:08:10.620 more styles.

00:08:11.280 And dating back to like

00:08:11.580 simplism again.

00:08:12.900 Well, yeah.

00:08:13.180 And then we got neoclassical

00:08:15.080 where it went all back

00:08:16.320 to sort of Roman columns

00:08:17.640 and clean lines.

00:08:19.260 You went from like

00:08:19.780 really poofy dresses

00:08:20.820 to the empire waist

00:08:22.760 where you basically have

00:08:23.740 a female column of a dress.

00:08:26.140 But then of course,

00:08:26.620 you also have things

00:08:27.200 like sumptuary laws

00:08:28.340 where literally

00:08:29.020 it has been illegal

00:08:30.260 during many like periods

00:08:32.240 of history

00:08:32.920 to have shoes

00:08:35.620 of a certain length

00:08:36.640 or to have the clothes

00:08:38.180 of a certain color

00:08:39.080 or to just like

00:08:40.020 own certain objects

00:08:41.260 if you weren't

00:08:41.880 in a certain level

00:08:43.260 of society

00:08:43.940 because there's been

00:08:44.980 so much interest

00:08:46.060 and I think so much

00:08:46.760 like frustration

00:08:47.540 on behalf of like

00:08:48.800 wealthy people

00:08:49.500 who really want to

00:08:50.360 show off their status

00:08:51.480 of like,

00:08:52.700 God,

00:08:53.140 like these people

00:08:53.800 keep copying me.

00:08:54.780 How do I show

00:08:55.360 that I'm special?

00:08:56.280 Like guys,

00:08:56.840 just stop.

00:08:57.540 This is mine.

00:08:58.460 Stop copying me.

00:08:59.720 And this is how like

00:09:00.500 purple became

00:09:01.160 like a wealthy color,

00:09:02.220 right?

00:09:02.400 Because it was

00:09:03.140 really expensive to get

00:09:04.140 and you had to crush shells

00:09:05.200 that were only found

00:09:06.000 in like Phoenicia,

00:09:06.840 right?

00:09:07.020 And so it was

00:09:08.400 one of the major

00:09:09.060 Phoenician industries

00:09:09.960 and then people

00:09:10.960 would outlaw people

00:09:12.060 who weren't in the upper

00:09:13.420 classes from wearing purple

00:09:14.680 once it became easier

00:09:15.620 to copy these colors.

00:09:17.220 And you'll see this

00:09:17.920 throughout history.

00:09:18.800 Another really interesting

00:09:19.880 example here,

00:09:20.640 if you're talking about

00:09:21.120 people who aren't

00:09:21.700 from like the Western

00:09:22.360 cultural tradition

00:09:23.140 is you look at like

00:09:24.800 fat activists

00:09:25.340 and they're like,

00:09:25.840 well,

00:09:26.120 within some cultures

00:09:27.560 being fat

00:09:28.800 was considered high class.

00:09:31.140 And that's absolutely true.

00:09:33.320 100%.

00:09:33.760 But we also have

00:09:35.460 longitudinal studies

00:09:36.480 on those cultures

00:09:37.160 after they acquired

00:09:38.080 wealth and modernity.

00:09:40.260 And it turns out

00:09:41.280 that once there is

00:09:42.460 no longer food scarcity

00:09:43.800 within those cultures,

00:09:45.100 being fat immediately

00:09:46.120 becomes low class.

00:09:48.060 As soon as you introduce

00:09:49.720 them to modern food stuff

00:09:51.420 where if you are eating

00:09:52.660 like the more addictive,

00:09:54.160 cheaper foods,

00:09:54.800 you get better.

00:09:55.760 Those cultures

00:09:56.600 every single time

00:09:58.120 have actually flipped

00:09:59.020 to fat being low class.

00:10:00.300 And I would say

00:10:01.020 there's a really strong

00:10:02.120 correlatory factor

00:10:03.240 among people we know

00:10:05.180 and we know

00:10:05.840 and are friends

00:10:07.320 with people

00:10:07.840 at every level

00:10:08.780 of the income

00:10:09.560 spectrum, right?

00:10:12.640 I would say

00:10:13.940 that a really common factor

00:10:15.380 among those

00:10:16.080 at the highest

00:10:16.720 net worth level

00:10:17.600 like way, way,

00:10:18.460 like insanely high

00:10:19.680 is like the best diet

00:10:21.940 and the most disciplined

00:10:23.100 too.

00:10:23.760 Like levels of disciplines

00:10:25.140 that are like...

00:10:26.040 Chefs that make them

00:10:26.700 like fancy

00:10:27.380 like fish dishes

00:10:28.660 every day.

00:10:29.560 They're much more likely

00:10:30.280 also to just be

00:10:31.340 on very low calorie diets,

00:10:33.040 vegetables only.

00:10:34.140 There's no snack foods.

00:10:36.260 They're very careful

00:10:37.140 about those things.

00:10:38.200 And yeah,

00:10:38.520 it's definitely

00:10:39.260 not even necessarily...

00:10:40.860 Almost certainly

00:10:41.840 it's not about comfort.

00:10:43.120 Let's bring it back

00:10:43.740 to muscles

00:10:44.160 because I think

00:10:44.580 that's really interesting

00:10:45.280 and I'm thinking

00:10:45.800 about ancient

00:10:47.120 Greek and Roman statues.

00:10:48.880 People would be like,

00:10:49.760 yeah, see,

00:10:50.220 muscles have always

00:10:51.020 been a sign of status,

00:10:51.920 but I actually think

00:10:53.160 that muscles

00:10:53.600 were more a sign

00:10:54.380 of beauty

00:10:55.200 than they were really

00:10:56.760 a sign of status.

00:10:58.360 And when you look

00:10:58.880 at these statues

00:10:59.720 of famous leaders,

00:11:01.260 they are not

00:11:02.640 terribly muscular.

00:11:04.160 They are just

00:11:05.520 sort of like whatever.

00:11:07.340 You would have

00:11:07.780 muscular servants.

00:11:09.220 Yes.

00:11:09.300 And this is true

00:11:10.120 in a lot of these periods.

00:11:11.220 Yeah.

00:11:11.720 Yeah.

00:11:11.880 So why is muscle

00:11:13.540 big today?

00:11:15.260 And the answer is

00:11:16.840 because it is

00:11:17.560 the single one,

00:11:19.460 we haven't really found

00:11:20.820 a good way

00:11:21.200 to fake muscle yet.

00:11:22.660 Steroids are now

00:11:23.420 getting big,

00:11:23.980 so I expect this trend

00:11:24.840 to reverse,

00:11:25.460 so we'll talk about

00:11:26.040 that in a second.

00:11:27.200 But it is a thing

00:11:29.060 that assuming

00:11:30.160 no steroids

00:11:30.780 was actually pretty hard

00:11:32.100 for wealthy people

00:11:32.980 to fake,

00:11:34.080 hard for anyone

00:11:34.820 to fake to an extent,

00:11:36.220 and it required

00:11:36.840 an enormous time investment.

00:11:39.300 Building big muscles

00:11:40.840 as a man

00:11:41.980 shows there are

00:11:43.500 a certain number

00:11:44.100 of hours every day

00:11:44.820 to look like Jeff Bezos,

00:11:46.160 right,

00:11:46.920 that you don't need

00:11:47.760 to work.

00:11:49.000 And that is how

00:11:50.120 it became the class

00:11:51.000 status signal

00:11:51.560 of our generation.

00:11:52.620 The reason why

00:11:53.640 it will fall

00:11:54.340 as a class status signal

00:11:55.480 is everyone

00:11:56.400 basically found out,

00:11:57.700 okay,

00:11:58.120 like exogenous steroids,

00:12:00.520 so men generate

00:12:01.720 more of these

00:12:02.420 than women,

00:12:03.040 like endogenous steroids,

00:12:04.060 right,

00:12:04.240 more than women,

00:12:04.780 and that's why

00:12:05.100 it's easier for them

00:12:05.720 to gain muscle mass

00:12:06.500 than women.

00:12:06.860 That's why,

00:12:07.140 like on average,

00:12:07.640 men are like 50%

00:12:08.400 stronger than women

00:12:09.040 in most drinks tests.

00:12:10.320 But you can take

00:12:11.040 these external,

00:12:11.780 you can increase

00:12:13.400 your amount of steroids,

00:12:14.400 right?

00:12:15.280 Historically,

00:12:15.640 when we were growing up,

00:12:16.640 there was a lot

00:12:17.120 of these campaigns

00:12:17.900 meant to convince people

00:12:18.840 that like this caused

00:12:19.720 roid rage

00:12:20.500 and all sorts

00:12:21.100 of other negative effects.

00:12:22.620 The truth is,

00:12:23.260 yes,

00:12:23.500 it does shrink

00:12:24.300 the size of your

00:12:24.880 testicles

00:12:25.540 and some other things,

00:12:26.900 but generally,

00:12:27.580 the negative effects

00:12:28.220 really aren't that big

00:12:29.200 and there isn't any proof

00:12:30.240 that it causes

00:12:30.700 roid rage

00:12:31.300 the last I looked

00:12:32.620 into the research

00:12:33.160 on this.

00:12:33.820 So it's just really

00:12:35.060 not that bad

00:12:36.180 to take a-

00:12:36.620 It's just small balls.

00:12:37.800 It's small balls.

00:12:38.960 Well,

00:12:39.520 if the alternative

00:12:40.940 is class status signaling

00:12:42.220 and working out

00:12:43.040 three less hours a day,

00:12:44.540 which it really is,

00:12:45.940 like it dramatically

00:12:46.860 lowers the amount

00:12:47.520 you need to work out.

00:12:48.280 Well,

00:12:48.460 and my understanding too

00:12:49.220 is I've never really

00:12:50.120 heard about women

00:12:50.980 caring about ball size

00:12:52.740 and it doesn't affect

00:12:53.420 penis size,

00:12:54.060 does it?

00:12:55.100 No,

00:12:55.500 not as far as I know.

00:12:56.760 Yeah,

00:12:57.140 I guess no one really cares.

00:12:58.180 I've never been like,

00:12:58.800 oh my God,

00:12:59.220 have you seen how small?

00:13:00.560 a lot of people,

00:13:01.360 they don't care

00:13:01.840 about their kids,

00:13:02.420 right?

00:13:04.460 No,

00:13:04.700 so I guess the point

00:13:06.260 I'm making is

00:13:07.940 there was this campaign

00:13:09.520 that was run

00:13:10.380 and are used

00:13:11.400 to convince everyone

00:13:12.200 that steroids

00:13:12.740 are like this really scary thing

00:13:14.400 and the truth is

00:13:15.500 they're just not that scary

00:13:17.000 and because the ultra-wealthy

00:13:19.100 in our society

00:13:19.600 don't trust science,

00:13:20.360 I can tell you this,

00:13:21.040 we know the ultra-wealthy

00:13:22.000 in our society,

00:13:22.880 they do not trust science.

00:13:24.360 They do their own research

00:13:25.480 on everything.

00:13:26.060 They have their own researchers

00:13:26.900 working on everything

00:13:27.720 and they'll see how-

00:13:28.420 Oh, that's something

00:13:28.600 that's happening

00:13:29.060 regardless of level

00:13:30.720 of wealth these days,

00:13:31.560 I think.

00:13:32.080 Oh yeah,

00:13:32.360 well,

00:13:32.520 no,

00:13:32.620 everyone,

00:13:32.980 but I'm just saying

00:13:33.620 I think there's this perception

00:13:35.060 among the general population

00:13:36.440 that like the wealthy

00:13:37.300 still trust science

00:13:38.140 that do not.

00:13:39.060 No.

00:13:39.540 Not at all.

00:13:40.200 So they do their own research

00:13:41.240 on this stuff

00:13:41.800 and they'll be like,

00:13:42.260 okay,

00:13:42.480 it's not that bad.

00:13:43.200 So it's become really common

00:13:44.560 for them to use

00:13:45.400 exogenous steroids

00:13:46.420 sort of across groups,

00:13:49.820 you know,

00:13:50.640 liberty.

00:13:50.880 Do you think that

00:13:51.600 the problem here

00:13:53.220 is you've basically got

00:13:55.420 like what the actual

00:13:57.200 billionaires are doing

00:13:58.420 is they're putting

00:13:59.120 in the work,

00:13:59.760 they're doing the training,

00:14:00.920 like they're putting

00:14:01.400 in the time

00:14:01.920 because that's

00:14:02.940 like a flex

00:14:04.100 literally.

00:14:05.600 Well,

00:14:05.860 it was a flex

00:14:06.780 but the problem is

00:14:07.940 it's we're going to,

00:14:08.320 yeah,

00:14:08.520 we're going to have soon.

00:14:09.700 We have a bunch of people

00:14:10.380 who are cheating

00:14:10.960 by getting steroids

00:14:12.720 and it's funny,

00:14:13.740 like we've gotten

00:14:14.500 a lot of flack

00:14:15.120 for implying

00:14:15.880 that people

00:14:16.560 who are into weightlifting

00:14:18.120 are steroid users

00:14:20.540 but I've brought it up

00:14:21.760 with a bunch of people

00:14:22.780 and they're like,

00:14:24.440 oh yeah,

00:14:25.080 like at this gym,

00:14:26.400 yeah,

00:14:26.700 like huge proportion

00:14:27.640 and I'm just-

00:14:28.260 I honestly am perplexed.

00:14:30.140 When weightlifting people

00:14:31.260 come to us

00:14:31.740 and they're like,

00:14:32.280 how dare you?

00:14:33.120 I'm like,

00:14:33.860 are you really not

00:14:34.740 in the weightlifting community?

00:14:36.200 Do you really not know

00:14:37.680 how common it is?

00:14:39.120 And I think that

00:14:39.780 the only people

00:14:40.500 who really do that

00:14:41.560 are the people

00:14:42.080 who aspire

00:14:42.800 to the social status

00:14:43.860 of weightlifters

00:14:44.520 but aren't actually

00:14:45.260 in those communities

00:14:46.040 because everyone

00:14:47.020 we know in those communities

00:14:47.980 is like,

00:14:48.280 oh yeah,

00:14:48.440 yeah,

00:14:48.540 yeah,

00:14:48.640 everyone's on

00:14:49.100 acceptance.

00:14:50.680 It's incredibly common

00:14:52.240 because why?

00:14:53.900 It's very little downside

00:14:55.260 and it literally shaves

00:14:56.640 the-

00:14:57.220 who has time

00:14:59.600 to work out

00:15:00.080 four or three hours

00:15:01.120 a day.

00:15:02.140 Yeah.

00:15:02.520 Right?

00:15:03.680 Yeah,

00:15:03.920 some people do.

00:15:05.100 I guess if you're

00:15:05.600 extremely wealthy

00:15:06.620 and you have

00:15:08.120 like this

00:15:08.720 actual

00:15:09.520 like personal aesthetics

00:15:10.920 around I don't use

00:15:11.800 exogenous steroids

00:15:12.800 but if you can be-

00:15:14.940 then you can be out-competed.

00:15:15.880 Suppose I'm a social media

00:15:16.840 influencer,

00:15:17.380 right?

00:15:17.760 And one of them

00:15:18.300 is actually

00:15:19.040 working out

00:15:20.560 to get the muscles

00:15:21.200 and the other one

00:15:22.100 is cheating

00:15:22.480 to get the muscles

00:15:23.180 and then spending

00:15:23.700 the rest of the time

00:15:24.400 editing their videos,

00:15:25.840 working on ads.

00:15:26.420 spending more time posting,

00:15:27.860 yeah,

00:15:27.980 who's going to do better?

00:15:28.920 They're always out-competing.

00:15:30.120 This is why

00:15:30.620 the liver king

00:15:31.180 was the liver king.

00:15:32.020 10,000,

00:15:32.760 was it $10,000 a day

00:15:34.220 or something?

00:15:34.540 It was over 10,000.

00:15:36.620 Yeah,

00:15:36.940 that was-

00:15:37.360 10,000 on something.

00:15:38.620 But he was killing it.

00:15:39.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:40.140 And he was killing it.

00:15:40.880 He was killing it, right?

00:15:42.340 Because he had the time,

00:15:43.100 I guess.

00:15:44.440 But so for a lot of this

00:15:45.940 there's this belief

00:15:46.880 that then they'll say,

00:15:47.820 well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:15:49.120 Being muscly

00:15:49.840 has always been aesthetically manly

00:15:51.520 and it's like,

00:15:52.700 you are not a nerd

00:15:54.500 about history of fashion.

00:15:57.020 I am.

00:15:58.060 If you look historically,

00:15:59.560 yes,

00:16:00.440 a lot of the times in men,

00:16:02.120 some muscles,

00:16:03.320 because muscles have always

00:16:04.680 been gender dimorphic,

00:16:05.760 okay?

00:16:06.120 Yeah.

00:16:06.280 So men always had more muscles

00:16:07.580 than women

00:16:07.900 in the same way that like

00:16:08.640 women have breasts

00:16:09.260 and like big breasts

00:16:09.920 would show that you're more female,

00:16:11.520 right?

00:16:11.840 Like gender dimorphism there,

00:16:13.420 right?

00:16:13.700 Yeah, more muscles,

00:16:14.220 more male.

00:16:14.660 I get it.

00:16:14.920 But it's not the muscle groups

00:16:16.440 that we care about today.

00:16:17.820 You look at today,

00:16:18.800 it's like muscle, right?

00:16:20.820 Historically,

00:16:21.180 you look at like medieval England,

00:16:22.680 it's ankles.

00:16:24.280 It's all about ankles.

00:16:24.940 Oh, yeah,

00:16:25.120 no, it's the calf,

00:16:26.640 right?

00:16:26.860 That's the lower leg.

00:16:28.100 The calf muscle.

00:16:28.500 How big is this calf muscle?

00:16:30.040 Well, yeah,

00:16:30.600 in the French court

00:16:33.180 of Louis XIV,

00:16:34.420 a lot of it also came down

00:16:35.660 to, yeah,

00:16:36.020 like how your calf muscle

00:16:37.580 looked with your little tights on

00:16:39.020 and especially how you're,

00:16:40.260 essentially what became

00:16:41.120 your ballet turnout,

00:16:42.120 like when you turned out

00:16:43.240 your leg a little bit,

00:16:43.980 like how,

00:16:44.520 how basically how flexible it was

00:16:46.140 and how good your muscles looked

00:16:47.260 and your little tights.

00:16:49.260 And well,

00:16:49.500 I mean,

00:16:49.680 you look at the clothing.

00:16:50.300 Because that's gender dimorphic.

00:16:51.380 So men would have that

00:16:52.120 more than women.

00:16:52.780 So of course they focused on that,

00:16:54.040 but it wasn't the same muscle groups

00:16:55.580 we're focused on today.

00:16:56.720 Yeah.

00:16:57.060 And when you look at the clothing

00:16:58.120 of men who were considered

00:16:59.140 very dominant,

00:17:00.320 very high class

00:17:01.420 and very much like George Washington,

00:17:03.300 you can go to the Smithsonian Museum

00:17:05.000 of National History.

00:17:06.260 You can go and look

00:17:07.340 at one of his uniforms

00:17:08.240 and you will see

00:17:09.340 that the man was

00:17:10.100 freaking anorexic.

00:17:11.820 I could not fit into his...

00:17:14.620 Your ancestor, by the way,

00:17:16.480 George Washington.

00:17:17.020 My great, great, great something uncle.

00:17:18.500 Yes.

00:17:18.820 But I could not fit into his,

00:17:20.500 his uniform.

00:17:21.240 He was a thin man

00:17:22.800 and he was considered

00:17:23.960 extremely dominant.

00:17:24.880 I mean,

00:17:25.000 they wanted to make him king.

00:17:26.120 Yeah, I totally agree.

00:17:27.980 And even in the times

00:17:29.080 of ancient Rome

00:17:29.940 where I think there was all this,

00:17:31.020 definitely people celebrated

00:17:32.520 the male form

00:17:33.860 and the muscular male form,

00:17:35.400 but they were gladiators.

00:17:36.820 They were workers.

00:17:37.440 Like you,

00:17:37.880 you appreciated them,

00:17:39.100 but like the leaders,

00:17:40.280 the dominant in society.

00:17:41.480 This is actually true

00:17:42.380 about the 1950s.

00:17:43.460 So if you go back

00:17:44.140 at the 1950s,

00:17:45.020 you go back

00:17:45.460 back to this era

00:17:46.640 that a lot of people...

00:17:47.700 Like the raw egg nationalist,

00:17:49.200 the bronze egg proverb ideal.

00:17:51.400 Now,

00:17:51.580 what we always say

00:17:52.160 about this 1950s aesthetic

00:17:53.380 is that it was actually

00:17:54.440 created by Hollywood

00:17:55.220 at the time

00:17:55.740 and should not be looked upon

00:17:56.900 as like a standard

00:17:57.880 of what society

00:17:58.560 was actually like at the time

00:17:59.600 and they didn't care

00:18:00.160 about people then

00:18:00.780 any more than they say.

00:18:02.540 But,

00:18:03.520 having a lot of muscle

00:18:05.160 was considered low class

00:18:06.160 because it was,

00:18:07.580 it was a sign

00:18:08.560 of being a manual laborer.

00:18:09.680 Now,

00:18:09.820 we don't really have

00:18:10.580 manual laborers

00:18:11.460 to like,

00:18:12.600 there's not a lot of them.

00:18:14.000 If you're living in a city,

00:18:15.120 if you're living

00:18:15.600 in any of the centers

00:18:16.660 of quote unquote

00:18:17.840 culture within our society today,

00:18:19.400 you're not going

00:18:19.920 to see manual laborers

00:18:20.880 that they assume

00:18:21.460 if you have muscle,

00:18:22.580 it must mean

00:18:22.860 you have a lot of free time

00:18:23.640 during the day.

00:18:24.340 But in the 1950s,

00:18:25.300 that wasn't the case.

00:18:26.120 If you saw somebody

00:18:26.740 that's really muscular,

00:18:27.860 you'd be like,

00:18:28.280 oh, you're a dock worker.

00:18:30.040 Oh, you're Popeye, right?

00:18:31.720 Then this was not like,

00:18:32.980 no, no, no,

00:18:33.380 it's true.

00:18:34.240 It's true.

00:18:34.740 Muscles were seen actively

00:18:36.180 as a sign

00:18:37.020 of being uneducated

00:18:38.040 and low class

00:18:38.660 and that is only

00:18:39.400 just now beginning

00:18:40.740 to trend.

00:18:41.080 In fact,

00:18:41.500 when you look

00:18:42.080 at cartoon tropes,

00:18:43.140 which I think

00:18:43.580 are interesting indicators

00:18:45.200 that the muscular one

00:18:46.860 is the big stupid one,

00:18:48.860 the grunt,

00:18:49.680 which is sort of interesting.

00:18:51.700 I mean,

00:18:51.960 like there's Superman,

00:18:52.900 I guess,

00:18:53.420 you know,

00:18:53.700 who's like,

00:18:55.020 you know,

00:18:55.400 pretty muscular.

00:18:56.260 Oh, no,

00:18:56.400 but Superman,

00:18:57.260 when he's in human world,

00:18:58.540 he doesn't look muscular.

00:18:59.740 Yeah, that's true.

00:19:00.980 Yeah,

00:19:01.360 it's just when he throws

00:19:02.400 on the spandex.

00:19:03.200 He signals class

00:19:04.300 his big thick glasses.

00:19:06.800 It's his disguise.

00:19:07.900 I don't know.

00:19:08.380 Superman's probably

00:19:09.180 not the best example.

00:19:11.040 Okay, okay.

00:19:11.920 If you want to understand

00:19:13.140 why Andrew Tate

00:19:13.920 feels he needs

00:19:14.480 to have the body

00:19:15.100 he has versus

00:19:16.040 the reason why

00:19:16.780 I don't care about that,

00:19:18.340 I'd say,

00:19:18.940 look at our faces.

00:19:22.280 Oh, no,

00:19:22.580 what does his face

00:19:23.200 look like?

00:19:23.780 Oh, no.

00:19:24.420 Can he get work done?

00:19:25.400 I mean,

00:19:25.560 he could just get

00:19:26.140 jaw implants.

00:19:27.720 I think he has,

00:19:28.880 I don't have too much

00:19:29.640 pride for that.

00:19:31.320 Yeah,

00:19:31.540 I guess people would notice

00:19:32.440 if he got jaw implants.

00:19:33.760 Yeah.

00:19:34.300 I don't mean to like

00:19:35.280 insult somebody else's look.

00:19:36.980 You think it's compensatory

00:19:38.340 because he doesn't have

00:19:39.400 He does not have

00:19:40.780 a masculine jaw.

00:19:41.860 A highly masculinized face.

00:19:43.220 It is not a face

00:19:44.040 that was formed

00:19:44.700 in the presence

00:19:45.260 of testosterone.

00:19:46.400 It is a face

00:19:46.960 that was formed

00:19:47.620 actually in the absence

00:19:49.380 of testosterone.

00:19:50.120 He really looks like

00:19:51.320 if you imagined him

00:19:52.180 with a weaker body,

00:19:53.940 assuming he's taking

00:19:54.740 exogenous steroids

00:19:55.540 or anything,

00:19:56.040 you'd be like,

00:19:56.480 this is the face

00:19:57.920 of somebody who grew up

00:19:58.880 without any testosterone

00:19:59.760 in their bloodstream.

00:20:01.320 That's interesting.

00:20:02.200 I'm looking up.

00:20:03.240 Oh, interesting.

00:20:04.460 You see what I mean?

00:20:04.980 Maybe he went for the beard

00:20:06.180 to emphasize his jaw.

00:20:07.540 Well, I'm actually surprised

00:20:08.360 he doesn't have a beard.

00:20:09.260 If I had a...

00:20:09.700 In many of the photos,

00:20:11.240 I'm just looking,

00:20:12.100 I just Googled his name

00:20:13.100 and I'm looking at photos.

00:20:14.860 It looks like maybe

00:20:15.900 he has in many of these

00:20:17.720 various lengths

00:20:18.460 of beard going

00:20:19.180 to accentuate his jaw.

00:20:21.080 Anyway,

00:20:21.380 no, that's interesting.

00:20:22.180 Yeah, I mean,

00:20:22.840 so also be careful.

00:20:23.740 I guess that's another

00:20:24.300 good lesson in terms

00:20:25.160 of how to successfully

00:20:26.360 signal this kind of thing.

00:20:27.960 If you want to play the game

00:20:29.540 and you want to,

00:20:30.100 I don't know,

00:20:31.520 show off

00:20:32.220 because you don't find

00:20:33.680 people as disgusting

00:20:34.480 as we do,

00:20:35.820 you'd probably not do anything

00:20:37.380 that comes across

00:20:38.160 as compensatory.

00:20:39.360 Well, you can see

00:20:40.120 from a male,

00:20:40.860 like he talks about

00:20:41.620 low-T males,

00:20:42.480 except you can tell

00:20:43.880 by looking at a male's face

00:20:46.220 how much testosterone

00:20:47.920 they were exposed to

00:20:49.520 when they were

00:20:50.320 in their developmental stages.

00:20:52.300 It is very easy

00:20:53.740 if you have any

00:20:54.440 sort of biological training,

00:20:57.440 but you have either

00:20:58.140 gracile features

00:20:59.520 or you have robust features.

00:21:01.320 But, you know,

00:21:01.700 I would say that

00:21:02.280 my heart goes out

00:21:03.240 to everyone who has

00:21:04.240 these types of deformities.

00:21:05.680 Yeah, it's not there.

00:21:06.080 I know, for example,

00:21:06.820 like, you know,

00:21:07.300 many people don't choose

00:21:08.360 partners that show

00:21:09.220 any sign of deformity

00:21:10.500 or whatever

00:21:10.940 and facial symmetry

00:21:12.080 is a big part of that

00:21:12.900 and I have a decidedly

00:21:14.520 asymmetric face

00:21:16.020 where this part of my jaw

00:21:17.360 is way bigger

00:21:18.080 than this part,

00:21:19.120 meaning I was either

00:21:19.880 exposed to stress

00:21:21.580 or I have some kind

00:21:22.620 of deficiency.

00:21:23.160 That's not true.

00:21:23.660 Our kids have the same thing.

00:21:24.840 It's genetic.

00:21:25.480 I can't tell.

00:21:26.680 Okay, so some weird

00:21:27.400 genetic thing,

00:21:28.180 but I mean,

00:21:28.460 that still is a sign

00:21:29.200 of deficiency.

00:21:29.880 So I mean,

00:21:30.220 my heart goes out

00:21:31.020 to people who are

00:21:32.540 fucked up in the face

00:21:33.480 like me,

00:21:34.060 who are deformed.

00:21:35.340 I'm not saying

00:21:36.080 he's deformed,

00:21:36.940 but I'm just saying

00:21:37.720 like, you know,

00:21:39.100 like, I'm here for you.

00:21:41.140 They can't all have

00:21:42.080 the southern gentleman face.

00:21:43.800 I'm sorry.

00:21:44.660 Yeah.

00:21:45.500 I don't know.

00:21:46.260 Like, I still,

00:21:48.560 I still need the internet

00:21:49.660 to explain what,

00:21:51.120 like,

00:21:51.400 why they keep

00:21:53.900 saying you're so late.

00:21:56.260 I think it's because

00:21:58.180 of the way I talk

00:21:59.500 and act.

00:22:00.560 Like, you've even said

00:22:01.280 you act somewhat effeminently

00:22:02.820 in videos sometimes

00:22:03.780 because you just don't care.

00:22:05.280 Like, I have.

00:22:05.680 You literally don't give a shit.

00:22:06.920 No, but I think, yeah.

00:22:07.800 I mean, maybe that's why

00:22:08.760 I find it so confusing

00:22:09.820 that people find it

00:22:10.660 to be soy

00:22:11.080 because like,

00:22:12.220 being willing to do.

00:22:13.240 Well, because people

00:22:14.780 don't know.

00:22:15.320 They don't know

00:22:15.800 what it looks like

00:22:16.520 to have no anxiety

00:22:17.600 around gender presentation.

00:22:19.000 I think a lot of the right,

00:22:20.540 one of the things we joke about

00:22:21.420 and we'll probably do

00:22:21.880 a full video on this

00:22:22.600 is it's funny

00:22:23.220 that when you look

00:22:24.080 at the far left

00:22:24.680 and the far right,

00:22:25.380 they both seem

00:22:26.000 to have body dysmorphia.

00:22:27.500 They both have

00:22:28.700 unrealistic body expectations

00:22:30.300 for themselves

00:22:30.820 and unrealistic self-images

00:22:32.160 around their body image

00:22:33.480 as it exists right now.

00:22:35.300 I mean, I think a part

00:22:35.860 of that is

00:22:36.340 is because

00:22:36.800 we don't have

00:22:38.060 many role models

00:22:38.780 in our society today

00:22:40.080 that genuinely

00:22:41.740 do not care

00:22:43.680 if people are like,

00:22:44.380 oh, you're acting

00:22:44.820 kind of femme.

00:22:45.620 You're acting kind of

00:22:46.340 whatever.

00:22:47.840 I don't care.

00:22:49.540 I have a wife

00:22:50.720 and kids.

00:22:52.140 Like,

00:22:52.380 who am I?

00:22:54.760 Who am I performing for?

00:22:57.620 Yeah.

00:22:58.240 But here's

00:22:59.160 post-muscle world.

00:23:00.160 What is what is the next?

00:23:01.860 Call it.

00:23:02.460 I want to see.

00:23:02.920 I don't know what the next is,

00:23:03.700 but I really want to emphasize

00:23:04.700 to our viewers, right?

00:23:06.800 Is when you think about

00:23:08.340 the cost you spend

00:23:10.340 on the things in your life

00:23:11.360 that signal

00:23:12.000 self-narrative to yourself,

00:23:13.460 I'm a big, strong person.

00:23:14.540 I'm a meaningful person.

00:23:15.680 I'm a cool guy.

00:23:17.120 Or they signal

00:23:18.140 to your community,

00:23:19.720 genuinely weigh that cost.

00:23:21.980 How many hours a day

00:23:22.900 are you spending on this?

00:23:25.000 What are you getting out of it?

00:23:26.120 When you buy

00:23:26.880 a Ferrari

00:23:28.080 versus me,

00:23:29.960 a used Mazda

00:23:31.620 or something like that,

00:23:33.080 or me.

00:23:33.880 Your 2010 Mazda

00:23:34.920 is great.

00:23:35.700 Our most recent car

00:23:37.380 is used Ford.

00:23:38.560 Yeah.

00:23:38.980 Why?

00:23:39.560 Why are you spending

00:23:40.740 all of this extra time

00:23:42.160 or money?

00:23:42.880 Is it really,

00:23:44.120 other than this sort of

00:23:44.940 immediate dopamine hit

00:23:46.200 you get when you spend the money

00:23:47.380 and you show it off to people,

00:23:48.640 which,

00:23:49.160 let's be honest,

00:23:50.120 in today's world,

00:23:51.140 how many people

00:23:51.660 do you really have

00:23:52.320 to show it off to?

00:23:53.560 Not that many, okay?

00:23:55.600 It just doesn't matter

00:23:57.640 that much anymore.

00:23:58.920 Are you really gaining

00:24:00.600 something of commensurate?

00:24:02.240 I kind of disagree.

00:24:03.640 So I disagree

00:24:04.240 because I think right now

00:24:05.300 people have a bigger audience

00:24:06.600 than ever before

00:24:07.460 in some ways.

00:24:08.960 They're signaling their sin.

00:24:11.220 They're signaling

00:24:12.140 how easy it was

00:24:15.600 to corrupt

00:24:16.660 the things

00:24:17.820 that they were trying

00:24:18.500 to achieve

00:24:19.100 with their life

00:24:20.040 with vanity.

00:24:21.620 I don't know.

00:24:22.040 Anyway,

00:24:22.340 what I'm seeing

00:24:23.300 is when I look

00:24:24.800 at people younger than us

00:24:25.920 or I even just look

00:24:26.700 at people tiny bit

00:24:27.700 younger than us

00:24:28.400 and I see they post

00:24:29.360 something on social media,

00:24:30.340 the number of likes they get.

00:24:32.020 I'm like,

00:24:32.340 oh my God,

00:24:33.140 I don't like,

00:24:33.780 whoa, man,

00:24:34.400 are you famous?

00:24:35.360 No,

00:24:35.640 like they just,

00:24:36.520 their lives are online.

00:24:38.000 I think that the next place

00:24:39.900 and way that people

00:24:41.360 are going to signal status

00:24:43.700 and I'm using a heuristic here

00:24:45.660 of what is going to be hard

00:24:46.980 to legitimately do

00:24:48.160 unless you're actually wealthy

00:24:49.900 and you actually have time.

00:24:51.480 Like these are the two

00:24:52.480 sort of limiting factors

00:24:53.460 right now.

00:24:54.660 So what I think

00:24:55.560 and I'll hear your guests

00:24:56.540 after this

00:24:56.940 because I've primed you

00:24:57.680 with my perfect formula

00:24:59.520 is I think that

00:25:01.000 the ultimate way

00:25:02.100 people are going to signal status

00:25:03.140 is by looking in person

00:25:04.660 as good as they do online

00:25:06.600 because right now

00:25:07.460 a lot of people

00:25:07.940 are cheating online

00:25:08.960 with filters

00:25:09.500 and that's obviously

00:25:10.600 super easy to do

00:25:11.380 and everyone's getting

00:25:11.960 super normalized to it

00:25:13.200 and then only those

00:25:14.920 who are able to pay

00:25:15.860 for the plastic surgery

00:25:16.780 that makes them look

00:25:17.820 like their filtered version

00:25:18.840 of themselves,

00:25:19.440 only the people

00:25:20.040 who are able

00:25:20.560 to keep themselves

00:25:21.240 healthy enough

00:25:22.040 to not need

00:25:23.160 all the filters

00:25:24.040 and actually just look

00:25:25.120 like they do

00:25:25.620 both online and off

00:25:26.620 are going to be the ones

00:25:27.880 to be able to maintain

00:25:29.080 that divide

00:25:30.760 and it's going to be

00:25:31.700 a huge sign

00:25:32.600 of like genuine resource

00:25:34.640 or class or leisure.

00:25:36.480 What do you think?

00:25:37.540 I think you're right.

00:25:38.360 I think the other thing is

00:25:39.760 is a lot of people

00:25:40.720 would say followers

00:25:41.300 but not exactly followers

00:25:42.240 because those will be

00:25:43.000 easy to fake.

00:25:44.160 It is high status followers.

00:25:48.740 How many high status

00:25:50.780 people follow you

00:25:51.840 and interact with you

00:25:53.540 and talk about you?

00:25:54.720 Oh, so that's interesting

00:25:56.080 because not every platform

00:25:57.540 allows you to see

00:25:58.740 who follow you.

00:26:00.320 Yeah, so Twitter converts

00:26:02.780 very, very poorly.

00:26:04.120 X, whatever we want

00:26:05.780 to call it these days.

00:26:06.820 X converts very poorly.

00:26:08.280 It does not convert

00:26:08.920 to book sales.

00:26:09.640 It does not convert

00:26:10.280 to people coming

00:26:11.000 to our YouTube.

00:26:11.780 It does not convert

00:26:12.380 to sub-check followers.

00:26:12.860 But it's where people

00:26:13.460 can show off

00:26:14.180 who follows them.

00:26:15.400 But it's very good

00:26:16.060 at showing off

00:26:16.580 who follows you

00:26:17.680 and who respects your opinion.

00:26:19.360 So like we don't have

00:26:20.360 a lot of followers

00:26:21.000 on Twitter.

00:26:21.560 We've got like 5,000

00:26:22.460 or something.

00:26:23.300 But we have a lot

00:26:24.120 of really high status followers

00:26:26.300 which signals

00:26:27.540 people who can invite us

00:26:29.380 to parties and stuff, right?

00:26:31.860 Hmm.

00:26:32.480 I think that's a good one.

00:26:33.680 Yeah.

00:26:34.160 So we'll see.

00:26:35.240 Yeah, but again,

00:26:35.940 it has to be a thing

00:26:37.000 that, yeah,

00:26:38.300 that only those

00:26:40.320 with wealth

00:26:41.540 or status

00:26:43.300 or leisure

00:26:43.940 will be able to achieve.

00:26:45.220 And I think that those

00:26:45.820 are really the things.

00:26:46.860 It's still really expensive

00:26:48.080 to get plastic surgery

00:26:49.080 or to genuinely look

00:26:50.140 as good as you can

00:26:51.020 look online.

00:26:51.680 And it's only going

00:26:52.520 to get worse.

00:26:53.720 And it's genuinely

00:26:54.460 hard to get some money.

00:26:55.520 She's talking about

00:26:56.080 how important muscle is

00:26:57.100 as like a woman

00:26:57.600 in the 90s

00:26:58.120 talking about

00:26:58.500 how great a tan is.

00:27:00.320 Don't you know

00:27:01.820 that it's sitting

00:27:02.780 in the sun,

00:27:03.460 you're capturing

00:27:04.000 the rays of the earth

00:27:05.380 and exposing

00:27:06.500 your true femininity

00:27:07.920 and that's why

00:27:08.860 I do it nude

00:27:09.580 so that I capture

00:27:11.800 all of this

00:27:12.660 earth energy

00:27:14.100 and I'm genuinely

00:27:15.300 at one with my...

00:27:16.580 Hold on,

00:27:16.780 but do you know

00:27:17.720 about the whole

00:27:18.980 like men exposing

00:27:20.240 their balls

00:27:20.820 to the sun thing

00:27:21.460 going on right now?

00:27:22.140 There's like a current

00:27:22.760 trend of this.

00:27:23.580 I've heard it.

00:27:24.260 It's dumb as hell.

00:27:25.380 I know,

00:27:25.620 but I'm just saying

00:27:26.100 there's a lot of other

00:27:26.980 really weird stuff

00:27:27.900 that's going on

00:27:28.620 with like sun exposure.

00:27:29.740 You can't get anyone

00:27:29.980 to do dumb stuff.

00:27:30.940 The placebo effect

00:27:31.760 is really strong.

00:27:33.520 But I mean also

00:27:34.360 like tans help you

00:27:35.460 more easily conceal

00:27:36.460 blemishes

00:27:36.940 and other things like that.

00:27:37.940 I mean there's a lot

00:27:38.640 of reasons why people

00:27:39.540 like tans that don't

00:27:40.480 necessarily have to do

00:27:41.520 with social class,

00:27:42.540 but it is a good example

00:27:44.580 in how it oscillates.

00:27:45.760 And it is one of those

00:27:46.680 limiting factor things,

00:27:47.680 but I think that's the formula

00:27:48.700 is this something

00:27:50.200 that you can only get

00:27:51.760 because of status

00:27:52.480 or wealth

00:27:53.000 or a lot of leisure time,

00:27:54.260 which you know,

00:27:54.860 only those with resources.

00:27:56.700 Well,

00:27:57.000 and I also think

00:27:57.600 that the people,

00:27:59.020 we know a lot of wealthy people

00:28:00.520 from a lot of groups,

00:28:02.220 the ones who have been able

00:28:03.520 to resist this muscle trend

00:28:04.900 are also the ones

00:28:06.260 who don't own things

00:28:07.160 like fancy cars.

00:28:09.320 Yeah.

00:28:10.260 It's specifically susceptible

00:28:13.220 to the people

00:28:13.940 who need to show off

00:28:14.940 all the hot women

00:28:15.700 their whiz

00:28:16.240 and all their fancy cars.

00:28:17.880 And to a certain extent,

00:28:18.800 it exposes new money,

00:28:20.980 right?

00:28:21.480 Because-

00:28:22.360 Well, it wasn't new money,

00:28:23.100 but a level of insecurity,

00:28:24.360 a level of I earned money

00:28:25.800 just so I could signal

00:28:26.700 my status to other people.

00:28:28.140 Yeah, well, I think,

00:28:28.780 oh, here's an interesting

00:28:29.640 example of it

00:28:30.440 that shows the status cycle

00:28:32.340 is informally dressing

00:28:34.660 as a flex, right?

00:28:36.220 Like in the early days

00:28:37.720 of tech CEOs

00:28:38.880 becoming super wealthy,

00:28:40.600 they would wear

00:28:41.240 pretty disrespectfully

00:28:43.480 informal clothes

00:28:44.440 as a flex

00:28:45.280 because they could

00:28:46.080 because it just had

00:28:46.800 that much money

00:28:47.260 and they were still

00:28:47.820 not in the room.

00:28:49.000 And then I think we saw

00:28:49.880 the height of it

00:28:51.280 with Sam Bankman-Fried

00:28:52.440 who was not only

00:28:54.040 wearing very respectfully

00:28:56.360 informal clothes

00:28:57.100 but even behaving

00:28:58.380 disrespectfully,

00:28:59.300 like playing games

00:29:00.140 while on key interviews.

00:29:01.520 Oh, I love this.

00:29:02.300 Okay, so if people

00:29:02.720 don't know Sam Bankman-Fried,

00:29:04.300 FTX, big EA guy,

00:29:06.580 basically funded 80%

00:29:07.980 of all effective

00:29:09.100 altruism stuff.

00:29:10.260 Interesting, yeah.

00:29:11.020 And he would always flex

00:29:12.240 about how, oh,

00:29:13.160 like he was living

00:29:15.040 inexpensively, right?

00:29:18.140 Expensively.

00:29:19.240 So that he could give

00:29:20.460 all his money to charity,

00:29:21.700 okay, right?

00:29:22.560 But then you'd see him

00:29:23.780 on business meetings

00:29:24.700 and he'd be playing

00:29:26.200 League of Legends, right?

00:29:27.860 This was the famous thing

00:29:28.660 that he would do.

00:29:29.840 Why was he doing this?

00:29:31.120 This was not to give money

00:29:32.540 to effective altruism.

00:29:33.740 It was to show class status

00:29:36.120 through insulting

00:29:37.320 the other people

00:29:38.460 on the meeting

00:29:38.940 without having them leave.

00:29:40.180 The moment I saw that,

00:29:41.640 I knew all this guy

00:29:43.040 cared about with status

00:29:43.940 because you look at us

00:29:45.660 and the ways

00:29:46.560 that we save money.

00:29:48.660 We try to donate

00:29:49.320 around 50% of our yearly income

00:29:50.940 to charities

00:29:51.800 or causes like that.

00:29:53.360 And this has been

00:29:54.080 recorded in newspapers,

00:29:55.280 so we're not BSing this.

00:29:56.600 This is in like

00:29:57.100 Telegraph and stuff.

00:29:58.400 And we do that

00:29:59.780 through extreme

00:30:01.360 daily austerity.

00:30:03.180 But I would never

00:30:05.020 disrespect

00:30:06.200 a business partner

00:30:07.780 or waste time

00:30:10.140 that I could be spending

00:30:11.500 being productive,

00:30:13.020 being indolent.

00:30:14.880 Oh, indolent.

00:30:16.380 Whether it's video games

00:30:17.700 or the gym,

00:30:19.220 if it is not moving you

00:30:21.060 towards your objective function,

00:30:22.180 the thing that you believe

00:30:23.060 has value in the world,

00:30:24.200 right?

00:30:24.520 And I hope

00:30:25.220 that's not your personal aesthetics,

00:30:27.940 then it is a sin.

00:30:30.280 It's sinful.

00:30:31.020 And we all engage in sin.

00:30:32.740 I engage in sin myself.

00:30:34.280 This doesn't help me.

00:30:35.100 But at least

00:30:37.040 when I am doing it,

00:30:38.660 I acknowledge

00:30:39.740 the cost of that sin

00:30:41.920 to my lifestyle.

00:30:43.500 I do not pretend

00:30:44.800 like my sin

00:30:46.360 is a virtue.

00:30:48.540 Whether that...

00:30:50.100 Yeah, I think there's a...

00:30:52.420 In terms of successfully

00:30:53.680 signaling status,

00:30:54.880 like using these

00:30:55.780 in some way

00:30:56.720 rarefied commodities,

00:30:58.060 be it a tan

00:30:58.720 or a not tan

00:30:59.560 or muscles

00:31:00.180 or wearing informal clothes,

00:31:02.340 there's a level

00:31:03.140 of moderation

00:31:03.740 that's required

00:31:04.380 and there's also

00:31:05.020 a level of trailblazing

00:31:06.320 that's required

00:31:06.840 to genuinely show it,

00:31:08.080 right?

00:31:08.260 Because once everyone's doing it

00:31:09.700 or once a certain critical mass

00:31:10.940 of people is doing it,

00:31:12.280 it starts being seen

00:31:13.340 as a demonstration

00:31:14.620 not of status

00:31:15.580 or of genuine dominance

00:31:16.760 but of status anxiety.

00:31:18.700 And the reason

00:31:19.320 why you're doing it

00:31:20.000 or why you're doing it

00:31:20.720 in excess

00:31:21.240 is because you feel like

00:31:22.960 you need to signal

00:31:23.740 your status

00:31:24.300 and if you feel like

00:31:25.260 you need to signal

00:31:25.900 your status,

00:31:26.600 it's because you

00:31:27.400 personally at least

00:31:28.940 don't feel like

00:31:29.460 you have it

00:31:29.900 in the first place.

00:31:31.080 I think that's why

00:31:31.780 many, for example,

00:31:32.560 designer brands

00:31:33.400 have come to be seen

00:31:34.680 as actually quite trashy

00:31:35.960 by many groups

00:31:36.740 because like

00:31:37.120 it's pretty trashy

00:31:38.820 these days, right?

00:31:39.580 Yes, because the groups

00:31:40.760 who are desperate

00:31:41.800 to signal status

00:31:42.760 are getting it in excess.

00:31:45.000 So I think

00:31:45.380 if there's also

00:31:46.240 a takeaway on like

00:31:47.280 how to leverage

00:31:49.540 this dynamic

00:31:50.200 in a way

00:31:50.620 that genuinely

00:31:51.280 impresses people,

00:31:52.840 one, don't do something

00:31:53.840 that's overplayed

00:31:55.400 and two,

00:31:56.000 just look for something

00:31:56.960 it can even be unique

00:31:58.380 that just demonstrates

00:31:59.200 that you have more time

00:32:00.620 or money or resources

00:32:01.640 and other people

00:32:02.440 but honestly

00:32:03.340 like the copycat approach

00:32:04.800 doing it by currently

00:32:06.280 like getting more muscle

00:32:07.580 or flexing

00:32:08.540 that you can be informal

00:32:09.380 somewhere

00:32:09.880 or even traveling

00:32:11.200 to expensive vacation

00:32:12.660 destinations

00:32:13.200 just isn't really

00:32:14.080 going to impress

00:32:14.740 people anymore

00:32:15.320 because it's being

00:32:16.600 it's already being

00:32:18.400 signaled by too many

00:32:19.520 people who are

00:32:20.440 extremely status anxious.

00:32:22.460 Yep.

00:32:23.380 Oh, well, still

00:32:24.240 I love talking about this.

00:32:25.400 I'm really excited

00:32:26.360 to see how we're

00:32:27.740 going to tackle this

00:32:28.580 with our kids

00:32:29.340 when they all become

00:32:30.300 very self-conscious

00:32:31.340 around puberty.

00:32:32.540 It's one thing

00:32:33.400 for us to feel

00:32:34.060 comfortable with the subjects

00:32:35.180 and to be comfortable

00:32:35.940 with ourselves

00:32:36.660 but helping a teenage

00:32:39.620 young adult

00:32:40.900 make it through this

00:32:42.320 is it possible?

00:32:43.500 I don't know.

00:32:44.020 I mean, I think it

00:32:44.860 honestly, I don't think

00:32:45.540 in Amish communities

00:32:46.360 you're seeing huge levels

00:32:47.480 of body dysmorphia.

00:32:48.860 I think that

00:32:49.220 they aren't.

00:32:50.220 Yeah.

00:32:50.840 But anyway, I'm looking

00:32:51.660 for detectives.

00:32:52.120 It's interesting

00:32:52.720 within Amish communities

00:32:53.740 because class

00:32:55.000 is not determined

00:32:56.200 by wealth.

00:32:57.680 In any extent.

00:33:00.200 The class status

00:33:01.600 signaling is around

00:33:02.280 things like beard links.

00:33:03.920 It's around things

00:33:04.980 like biblical knowledge.

00:33:06.740 There are many different

00:33:07.740 ways you can determine

00:33:08.640 I like that both beard

00:33:09.680 length and biblical

00:33:10.600 knowledge are both.

00:33:11.920 Well, there was a

00:33:12.840 hate crime case recently

00:33:14.240 and actually

00:33:14.920 some Amish

00:33:15.680 cut off other

00:33:16.460 Amish men's beards.

00:33:18.040 Oh, shots fired.

00:33:20.520 I know you see

00:33:21.460 that as trivial

00:33:22.260 but to them.

00:33:23.160 No, I don't know.

00:33:23.840 I learned from

00:33:24.720 Shanghai Noon

00:33:26.020 with Jackie Chan

00:33:27.860 that having

00:33:28.740 hair cut off

00:33:30.160 is like

00:33:30.740 super not cool.

00:33:32.440 All right.

00:33:32.880 But yeah,

00:33:33.240 this is true

00:33:33.840 in some like

00:33:34.420 Asian communities.

00:33:35.520 Like the top knot.

00:33:36.480 Man, no.

00:33:37.220 Like the ceremonial hair

00:33:38.580 you do not

00:33:39.260 you do not touch

00:33:40.300 in any culture

00:33:41.480 with any gender

00:33:42.520 you do not

00:33:43.260 you do not touch

00:33:44.020 weave

00:33:44.460 you do not touch

00:33:45.620 ceremonial top knots

00:33:46.960 and you do not

00:33:47.400 touch a beard.

00:33:48.100 Just draw the line.

00:33:48.920 But anyway, Malcolm

00:33:49.500 we got to move on

00:33:50.380 with our lives.

00:33:51.060 It is so wonderful

00:33:51.980 to have you back

00:33:52.680 from a business trip.

00:33:53.500 I love you so much.

00:33:55.260 I love you so much.

00:33:55.780 You are amazing.

00:33:57.400 You are so great

00:33:58.980 to be married to.

00:33:59.860 When you were gone

00:34:00.960 every moment

00:34:02.020 was suffering

00:34:02.880 because you

00:34:04.080 are just

00:34:05.780 such an amazing

00:34:07.380 integral part

00:34:08.620 of my

00:34:09.660 daily

00:34:10.420 feeling

00:34:11.740 of

00:34:12.440 of completeness.

00:34:13.980 And Malcolm

00:34:14.220 you are my status

00:34:15.980 signal

00:34:16.700 my status

00:34:17.400 totem.

00:34:18.140 Yeah, I heard

00:34:18.780 when you left

00:34:19.160 everyone was like

00:34:19.580 are you a model?

00:34:20.840 And I was like

00:34:21.380 that made me feel good

00:34:22.520 because I was like

00:34:23.420 Oh, so yeah

00:34:23.820 I'm your trophy wife

00:34:24.780 and you're my

00:34:25.400 my status

00:34:27.800 my trophy husband

00:34:28.460 My favorite moment

00:34:30.100 in the pronatalist

00:34:31.240 saying was

00:34:31.860 there was this person

00:34:32.400 on Twitter being like

00:34:33.060 oh, these people

00:34:33.680 are disgusting

00:34:34.240 and someone was like

00:34:34.800 don't you know

00:34:36.100 that they don't

00:34:36.720 actually look like that?

00:34:37.660 That's a pair of models

00:34:38.580 that was hired

00:34:39.560 to promote

00:34:41.000 the pronatalist movement

00:34:42.120 and

00:34:43.140 Yeah, it was like

00:34:44.200 the best

00:34:44.660 like

00:34:45.060 insult

00:34:46.160 that was really

00:34:47.200 a compliment

00:34:47.800 that was totally

00:34:49.080 not meant as a compliment

00:34:49.980 that was

00:34:50.580 incredibly sweet

00:34:51.640 whoever, you out there

00:34:52.900 You out there

00:34:54.220 who tried to insult us

00:34:55.300 with that

00:34:55.660 it really meant

00:34:56.780 the world to us

00:34:57.380 I have been riding

00:34:58.400 on that horse

00:34:59.180 for a long time

00:35:00.320 Yeah, the best thing

00:35:01.080 we ever heard, man

00:35:01.880 Yeah

00:35:02.360 All right, Malcolm

00:35:03.580 See you downstairs

00:35:05.140 Have a good one

00:35:06.180 I have been riding on that horse

00:35:07.920 I have been riding on that horse

00:35:08.620 I have been riding on that horse

Based Camp - August 18, 2023

Testosterone, Status, Tate & Why The Billionaires Got Buff

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