Based Camp - The 1950s Where Sexually Degenerate by Modern Standards

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be talking about

00:00:03.360 the way that our society used to be and i don't mean like in roman or ancient greece i'm talking

00:00:09.980 1950s 1920s much more debauched than it is today the areas where sexual norms are tightening

00:00:20.120 rather than loosening and we're going to try to build a model to understand in which areas

00:00:26.220 to sexual norms seem to loosen over time and in which areas of sexual norms seem to tighten over

00:00:31.780 time so just to throw you guys in the deep end here if you're like wow come on things couldn't

00:00:38.560 have been that much more sexually loose in like the 1950s well around that time period we'll get to

00:00:44.860 the specifics later in this around 40 percent of young men participated in mutual masturbation with

00:00:51.160 other young men this was normal if you have four grandparents you're dealing with what like oh

00:00:57.620 why did you take it there chance one of them did this given that all of you have four great

00:01:04.420 grandfathers that means there's an 87 chance that one of your great grandfathers participated in 0.78

00:01:10.100 something like this i'm gay 0.53

00:01:12.900 in today's society basically no guy does this this is like only for gay guys okay i don't even

00:01:24.300 know if it's for gay guys i don't know man and this is something if you're like wait is this

00:01:30.180 continuing to happen it happened to me when i was going through with an ai asking like where his

00:01:35.760 sexual norms tightened yeah and it's like well of course a long time ago they used to have public

00:01:41.420 showers in schools for the boys and the girls and now it's all private stalls and i totally remember

00:01:46.340 in my high school gym they were i remember this too i was like what they got rid of that well we

00:01:52.400 never won we all changed for gym class but we didn't show each other like we didn't we changed very

00:01:58.400 carefully and there were showers and i always wondered why because we never know i remember when they had

00:02:04.080 that in my school they had that in every school i ever attended i never once used a public shower

00:02:09.840 despite it being in every school i ever attended and the somebody could be like wait what it's like

00:02:16.060 because they were already these norms were already changing within our generation that i knew it was weird

00:02:21.520 to be naked around other boys my age and i didn't want to do that even though the facilities were still

00:02:29.160 structured that way and a lot of the schools that are doing these changes now are saying well

00:02:33.960 if we leave them the old ways no one will use them right i mean that's fair because no one used them

00:02:37.980 at my school it was wasted space yeah no one used them at my school anymore they were from like a 1.00

00:02:42.960 previous era where and i've seen shows like apparently this was a thing that happened at one point in human

00:02:48.880 history and i think that if you were on like maybe the football team or something there might have been

00:02:55.100 some norms around using them like if you got like really sweaty and gross in whatever sport you were

00:02:59.740 doing maybe they used public showers but even then i can't imagine they use them in the girls rooms 0.99

00:03:04.480 had you had you ever seen a group of girls using the public showers at the same time 1.00

00:03:08.920 so on swim team we did all use the shower but we never took our clothes off we showered in our

00:03:14.720 swimsuits oh that's why it's really weird with that one like there are stories of that one

00:03:21.720 trans swimmer just having their junk out in the women's locker room because dude like we didn't 1.00

00:03:29.580 even have our tits out in the in the locker room like it was just the most you'd ever see 0.99

00:03:35.060 the most you'd ever see out there or the what lindsey lindsey thomas right leah thomas leah thomas 0.98

00:03:42.660 there we go yeah yeah so this individual for people who don't know this trans swimmer they didn't

00:03:46.420 have bottom surgery when they were doing all this they were flashing underage girls in in a swim

00:03:51.160 swimming yeah but also like at least where i went to school in california which is pretty progressive

00:03:56.520 no one in the girls locker room ever took off their clothes right but and then even in camp

00:04:03.560 like when we were in camp together all this like you know there's all these like 80s movies of one

00:04:08.060 yeah yeah rooms and like oh gosh look her body's so perfect but also like men looking at sleepovers 0.91

00:04:13.460 that teenage women were having as they were taking off their clothes and changing for bed and oh my god 0.98

00:04:17.440 like i'd like how hot they are no the like if i saw someone else changing clothes and i did exactly 0.83

00:04:24.000 the same thing you would change under a sweatshirt period i i've never seen a peer put on a bra for

00:04:31.300 example i've seen a peer put on a bra under a sweatshirt like 100 times and i've done it myself

00:04:35.340 but like that's i don't know this is fascinating why are these social norms becoming more conservative

00:04:41.600 in regards to to yeah i guess yeah when you think about it yeah i didn't think about the fact that

00:04:45.880 these 80s movies i watched had all these naked teens and that i would never think of exposing myself in

00:04:53.800 front of my peers no i would i would be so weird i remember yeah i went to my dad and we'll we'll talk

00:04:59.260 about these these these naked sweat lodges and stuff like that that used to be common i went to my dad

00:05:03.520 one of the i was like this is weird like you know i i don't care that this is like what men do like

00:05:08.900 this is and a lot of these institutions just aren't as big as they used to be but it's not just that

00:05:13.200 that's not the only area another big one what actually inspired this was a kirscher piece this

00:05:18.380 is the the vtuber who went through this cancellation recently so i went through a lot of her backlog and one 0.56

00:05:23.920 of the episodes i found particularly interesting was on how normalized having sex with donkeys is 0.86

00:05:31.000 in the cartagena region of colombia okay who's having sex with are the donkeys having sex with 0.98

00:05:39.540 each other or as a human men men typically considered that your first sexual partner is a donkey 0.94

00:05:45.540 but are you gonna like pick up diseases from that apparently don't care but most women in the 1.00

00:05:53.860 i would worry i would worry and get like some kind of bacterial illness if my husband

00:05:59.260 man like i don't care at all that you slept with a lot of women before we married but if i'd known 1.00

00:06:06.940 that you had stuck your dick in a donkey i would have trouble this is this is what colombian women deal 1.00

00:06:15.320 with in in do they know do they know not rare like do they know or like this is normalized within 1.00

00:06:21.980 our country what's wrong here you are just this community believed that males would not achieve 0.98

00:06:28.240 competence in marriage unless they practice intercourse with a donkey 0.97

00:06:33.600 the sofilia in the caribbean colombian is a reality for general no it is the majority of adolescentes

00:06:40.140 of young men had relations with the burras it is more for me I think it was an element of

00:06:46.800 planning family planning because if these young men had no relation with burras if not with 1.00

00:06:51.880 niñas they would be able to do it almost all of us in my time we had relations with burras 0.96

00:06:56.600 the coastal region of colombia has been known for males making love to donkeys but i expected this

00:07:21.160 topic to be taboo hearing people talking about it so openly and with no shame but they're not

00:07:28.040 learning how to pleasure a woman like i could get it i think that like there's some tropes that like

00:07:32.800 okay well men should have some kind of sexual encounter before they you know have sex with their 0.64

00:07:39.860 girlfriend or their wife so that they know how to please a woman and don't like embarrass themselves 0.98

00:07:45.720 or like come too quickly but this is different because you're not learning how to pleasure a

00:07:51.080 donkey this was well look i can see look a lot of regions have gotten that are rural regions like

00:07:57.780 wales have gotten this stereotype in the past it was the common thing about way okay so what first

00:08:03.140 you were saying this was what colombian and now you're saying well in colombia it's it up until

00:08:08.900 modern times like video cameras being able to go in it's like oh this is the guy who rinsed out his

00:08:13.660 donkey yeah this is a regular thing in our community wales stopped doing this probably about

00:08:19.040 i don't know three years ago sorry i'm joking i'm joking i'm joking i think about 80 or years

00:08:26.600 ago or 50 years ago it probably stopped in wales but you know i'm having some fun with our welsh

00:08:32.180 audience here but you know and you and this was not just in these countries it's also in the united

00:08:38.080 states so this is one of the only paraphilias or fetishes that has decreased in in commonality

00:08:45.820 within the united states is this i don't know though because i feel like there's this underground

00:08:52.540 tendency of people to fix on this like okay so if i quote from our book okay kenzie's study back in

00:09:00.040 1948 this is a pregnant guy to sexuality but who wants to read this so in 1948 found that eight percent

00:09:05.420 of men and three percent of women had had sex was an animal but with time these numbers have dropped

00:09:12.240 with more recent studies showing them to be around five percent and two percent respectively

00:09:16.820 likely a product of lower access to animals in a more urban society these numbers are fascinating

00:09:22.380 when contrasted with our survey results which suggests that only six percent of males and two

00:09:26.680 percent of females are aroused by the idea of sex with an animal if this data is accurate this

00:09:31.940 indicates that 87 percent of people who are aroused by the idea of sex with an animal have tried it

00:09:37.020 now so a few notes here it used to be almost 10 almost one in 10 men in the united states in 1948

00:09:47.120 had had sex with an animal at some point in their life okay that's a lot yeah part of what i worry

00:09:54.280 about though just from like stuff i've seen around on the internet is that a lot of women are intimate 1.00

00:10:01.500 with their dogs but they're like it doesn't count well that's decreased it's gone from three percent to

00:10:06.160 two percent no no it does happen so most zoophiles who are intimate i don't think they no i don't

00:10:11.580 think they identify zoo files it's just something that happens to them sometimes that's well okay

00:10:18.740 but it's usually because remember we went down this whole rabbit hole where you were like you know

00:10:22.640 there's these people who are into dolphins and i'm like no they're not you're like yes they are

00:10:25.840 look it up and then somehow we ended up on people into dogs and i discovered this long lectures on like

00:10:31.200 the the the operational logistics of how this is carried out in modern society

00:10:35.940 yeah as detailed in this case that the rabbit hole we fell down was by an italian dog breeder 0.90

00:10:40.680 by trade but like she revealed this was a bigger community than i thought so i don't know maybe

00:10:46.640 this was like a big part it sounded like this was as big a part of her life as like polyamory is

00:10:52.300 oh no like 100 this woman was thoughtful i don't know how i found her through a dolphin affinity

00:10:59.560 it was it was a fascinating because we were at a wedding and we were listening to this like a long

00:11:06.360 drive on texas back roads

00:11:07.940 in her broken english

00:11:11.620 anyway i don't know i feel like i think and this is something that i i always hesitate with when it

00:11:19.120 comes to women and sex research is they're like it's not porn it's a it's romanticy you know but 1.00

00:11:26.240 no sweetie it's yeah yeah so no but the point i'm making here is that this is another category where

00:11:35.920 even within the united states sexual mores were much much much looser historically and so you know

00:11:43.500 we're getting a few categories here bestiality is one where where it's become a lot stricter

00:11:46.940 and public nudity is one where it's become a lot stricter um the the interesting thing about the

00:11:52.640 bestiality one is if you go to the kirscher show she talks a lot about like tijuana donkey shows

00:12:00.440 wait okay so they didn't just use the donkeys they watched other people using the donkeys well tijuana

00:12:08.640 donkey shows appear to be a myth they they they are not reported until the 1970s okay and if they

00:12:14.220 existed they might have been a faked thing to sort of get drunk tourists excited because it sounds

00:12:20.740 like something that would happen at a debauched roman empire collapse party if you know what i mean

00:12:27.900 right but but i'm pointing people will report having been to them some there's some stories of

00:12:32.360 like some former but there's really no hard recording that this was ever a thing and if it was

00:12:38.140 as common as people like today pretend it was we should have some record of it especially given

00:12:44.220 the extensive records we have of this happening in columbia you know so why isn't this recorded

00:12:49.260 anywhere in mexico so that appears to be a myth which but people in comics on kirscher were like well

00:12:56.120 my grandmother told me about going to one of these so you know maybe given the comment again one in

00:13:02.740 10 men in the 1940s that hadn't done it was an animal right i think yeah but i do think a big

00:13:09.600 part of this though was like animal availability i bet that if men had the same rate of exposure to

00:13:14.860 animals now yeah actually that's a good point yeah not have as much exposure to animals they would 0.54

00:13:23.100 like having sex with today as women do i don't yes that i don't know if they would like like having 0.99

00:13:29.360 sex with if it's a if it's a wet warm hole well i don't think that men are like interested in dogs 0.98

00:13:36.960 in the same way they're interested in something like horses or sheep that are like well no dog yeah 0.82

00:13:41.160 no dogs we'll just if we or if we're talking about morphology and like what you as a man or woman would

00:13:48.280 want to use to pleasure yourself women obviously shouldn't go for donkeys and horses but dogs and as 1.00

00:13:57.460 this woman in her detailed analysis the italian dog breeder who really liked intimate relations

00:14:03.200 with dogs pointed out that there are specific breeds whose special parts match the size of human

00:14:09.520 special parts so she went for that so like women i could see even when it comes to like not just dogs 1.00

00:14:16.960 going down on a woman but like dogs doing more than that like they make sense whereas dogs sheep 1.00

00:14:24.000 like it like larger animals don't make sense but a larger animal from a man's perspective even

00:14:29.360 considering their height are kind of perfect yeah which is why why i think that this went down much

00:14:35.240 more for men than women as you saw with the statistics exactly yeah because dogs are i mean even now it's

00:14:40.380 like fur babies like they're they're pervasive in households and especially households where women 1.00

00:14:44.280 are alone and they're not being watched and they're the thing that really shocked me is that is that you

00:14:49.780 know 80 87 percent of people with this kink have tried it and i guess it's just because it's so hard

00:14:55.060 to police or or do anything about right who's gonna well and that's the thing who's gonna know

00:14:59.480 well and and 72 percent oh god if dogs suddenly get some ai ability to talk oh that's not gonna be

00:15:07.240 fun for these people all the pet owners gonna be like no no no no no no no no no no white white 0.91

00:15:14.440 progressive women let me let me know yeah so 72 percent in one study responded to not seeing

00:15:20.080 anything wrong with this this is today and 80 percent claim they believe the animals had offered

00:15:24.900 consent so this is the just just you know people who engage with it why the engagement rate is so high

00:15:31.220 because they just don't see anything wrong with it and like i can make all the consent arguments i want

00:15:38.280 but like i don't veal sometimes you know so like the the point i'm making is that our society has an

00:15:46.900 awful lot of concern for the consent of an animal when somebody wants to eff it but not a lot when

00:15:53.080 we're torturing if people don't know what veal is it's basically torture baby cow you see with veal 1.00

00:15:58.660 the whole key is keeping the cows changed so they can't walk around or get any exercise that way their

00:16:03.500 muscle tissue stays soft wait a minute veal is little baby cows yipper then why the hell did 0.54

00:16:09.760 they call it veal well if we called it little baby cow people might not eat it yeah i wouldn't have

00:16:14.580 me neither oh man look at that one it looks delicious what succulent and juicy can we have

00:16:21.140 a free sample of these too you know not not a lot when we are factory farming it and i think that's a

00:16:25.760 little hypocritical that is yeah yeah i mean if you could ask an animal what they would prefer

00:16:31.500 to be veal or to be someone's special times partner i mean i know what i would choose

00:16:39.180 yeah no i mean absolutely if humans get enslaved by aliens yeah i'll be i'll be the other one i

00:16:47.240 genuinely hope that it is weird alien quirks where they're like i wanted to go out in space and screw 0.89

00:16:53.680 green chick they're like i want to go out in space and screw white chicks yeah instead of like you know 1.00

00:16:59.280 force feed and then eat them i'll choose the other one yeah all right all right so so when we were

00:17:05.660 talking about the colombia thing gabriel garcia martinez works like 100 years of solitude allude

00:17:11.540 to such practices in rural settings so this is a famous colombian poet yeah i read his work in

00:17:15.980 spanish class that's crazy yes but he talks about doing this oh so that's how common it is he has a

00:17:23.620 nobel prize by the way i think in like literature um i mean he's covering the truth that's the truth

00:17:28.860 that's fine in the u.s remember i talked about mutual masturbation thing used to be common 0.99

00:17:32.160 who talked about that you were telling me earlier today kanye west talking about childhood experiences

00:17:38.360 with young young someone young person his age that were would be considered vastly inappropriate now

00:17:44.120 and he's out there not only talking about it publicly but referencing it in songs here's another

00:17:49.280 fun one stag parties have you heard of these these are popular aren't these bachelor parties

00:17:54.360 they're a a form of male only parties that were common from the 1910s to the 1950s

00:17:59.720 in which a group of men would watch pornographic films together

00:18:03.440 what and 1950s projectionists recalled them as being a rite of passage at bachelor parties as well

00:18:10.900 so okay bachelor parties yeah there's also a thing at bachelor parties so there was a thing where

00:18:16.120 you would hire strippers to come to your this would like never happen today the idea it still 1.00

00:18:21.160 happens in movies i don't know if it happens today or not no i did research to see if if there's people

00:18:26.060 are still doing it still a thing that happens i mean just think about it like why would i cheat on

00:18:31.600 my wife the day before i'm getting married this requires like a dramatically different concept of

00:18:36.780 marriage than the one we have in our society i'm about to spend the rest of my life with someone i

00:18:41.200 deeply care about and so the last thing i want to do is sleep with somebody else like every everyone

00:18:47.780 involved in that should be like taking you aside and being like dude if you want to like see a bunch

00:18:52.120 of like naked people right before you should probably rethink this this doesn't know but historically

00:18:58.060 wives really were seen is like this ball and chain or like this idea of like your life is restricted now 0.61

00:19:04.200 you're giving something up you are enslaving yourself to your duty to humanity right and that's not

00:19:11.480 that's not why people get married anymore yeah yeah no nobody does that nobody does that and so like

00:19:17.300 who like okay think the cultural groups who get married today like who is going to do like strippers 0.99

00:19:23.320 at a bachelor party you've got your i think it's more that your jerk friend guy friend does it 0.96

00:19:31.100 because he's you know the hosting it like typically friends like that anymore no but well i don't know 0.93

00:19:36.320 i mean no there are definitely different cultural groups in the u.s where you know especially resentful

00:19:44.380 guy friends might you know bring in that just because they they're resentful that their friend is

00:19:50.760 being lost to them by some woman they think is wrong for their friend i don't i mean i just i could

00:19:55.180 see it i could see it happening i could see but but also i don't know how easy it is to even hire

00:20:00.560 strippers anymore but but yeah right but the idea as well i'm actually gonna

00:20:06.120 like a bunch of men getting together and watching a pornographic film at the same time today that

00:20:14.340 would never happen that is well against the sexual mores of our society today totally

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00:20:40.540 doesn't seem like actual nudity no let me testimonials and reviews

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00:20:50.580 yeah that's weird ocono's bachelor party strippers i was asking ai if this is common now so apparently

00:20:59.420 it's not common but it still exists somewhere that the business this is a

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00:21:22.980 whoa yeah this this could have been your experience malcolm

00:21:27.480 i admit that she looks like she's made of ai 1.00

00:21:30.360 and look at how much fun they're having with their solo cups and fezes

00:21:35.700 that doesn't see that one at all that looks miserable i do not want to watch some other 0.96

00:21:40.580 naked i can see naked women on the internet i don't need to invite them over to my house 1.00

00:21:45.000 but no simone so next next crazy thing that used to happen okay 0.81

00:21:49.180 burlesque shows which i'm sure many people are oh yeah vita vontis or sorry dita vontis

00:21:55.040 like really it was from the 1920s to 1950s yeah and they're still no when we were in vegas dita vontis

00:22:00.840 had an active show in the hotel where we were staying yeah but they don't like actually strip

00:22:05.920 anymore as far as i know she wears pasties oh she does yeah but i mean i think it's more about

00:22:12.260 the aesthetic it's more like when i go to a burlesque show today i think i'm reliving a 1920s

00:22:18.560 experience i don't yeah no i think people you're there to be like oh like let me put on my smoking

00:22:22.500 jacket costume and yeah for fun i don't think people are like excited by it yeah well you also have

00:22:29.380 things like what is it like go-go dancers and stuff like that what a lot of people don't know

00:22:34.400 about go-go dancers one of your friends did go-go dancing two years ago for fun but go-go dancing

00:22:40.700 is like a way to be like classy i love this like women now are like learning go-go dancing so go-go 1.00

00:22:46.260 dancing historically they wouldn't wear underwear it was like the reason they do the big foot movements

00:22:51.160 and everything you think no no no you're thinking of the can-can can-can that's what i'm thinking

00:22:56.260 yeah so no no this is the the can-can yeah that that's back in like we're talking like turn of

00:23:01.400 the century moulin rouge in paris the can-can is the dress where the women pull up their skirts and and 0.96

00:23:08.020 and move their legs in unison the reason why this was that was delicious was because they were wearing 0.97

00:23:13.640 split drawers and split drawers means that they're wearing pantalons with an open you can see their

00:23:19.480 private parts when their dress flips up and of course they're flipping their legs up so you can see 1.00

00:23:23.360 everything go-go dancing is more of a dude looking hot thing but i think it's also maybe now more of a

00:23:30.780 like sorry i'm not familiar with my historical dances i'm trying to do part of this memory

00:23:35.940 no hold on there's there's other crazy things that they did in the past

00:23:40.940 so when i i dug a lot into go-go dancers just entertain crowns at nightclubs but it's it's not i

00:23:47.880 don't think it's it's it's like it's not intentionally it's not like a strip they're just wearing very

00:23:52.740 small pants as a man or woman well here's here's a fun one that people don't know about they can be

00:23:57.140 like well you know the past they weren't as debauched as they are today they certainly didn't

00:24:00.840 have anything like rule 34 except we have things called tilly and macbooks or tijuana bibles yeah

00:24:07.660 were common from the 1920s to the 1950s and you could buy in barber shops and these would have things

00:24:13.520 like popeye having sex or mickey and mini mouse having sex um include themes of bdsm or other

00:24:23.220 sort of like subversive humorous themes and and at their height there was about a thousand different

00:24:29.280 titles in active publication at a time so this was very big like maybe as big as the comic industry is

00:24:35.720 today given how much it's declined due to its wokeness like well even in the past like people

00:24:41.460 would like a lot of the like political cartoons were probably not even political cartoons they were

00:24:46.340 just people drawing no no no so one of the for example a great one that came out this was this was 0.89

00:24:53.360 during the world war ii was a gay one where it was stalin having sex with hitler no they did 0.99

00:25:01.700 made it all in otp yeah sure yeah yeah you could you could buy your book of of stalin effing hitler 0.92

00:25:09.160 in the 19 in the 1950s or 40s barber shop just be like hey i want my barber shop that's where they

00:25:16.360 sold them out of yeah well you could think of them as like community centers of the time period where

00:25:20.660 people would go okay now let's discuss key parties have you ever heard of key parties okay i think i've

00:25:28.660 seen in some like teen drama soapy show some kind of secret society where you get invited and go to

00:25:37.580 some house and everyone's wearing masks that don't actually cover their faces and having sex is that 0.54

00:25:43.300 that or no no key parties was something that was popular from the 1950s to the 1970s okay united states

00:25:50.980 swinger culture in which everyone would go to a party and they would put their keys in a bowl

00:25:56.080 and you would go at when you grab the keys from one of the opposite gender bowls and then sleep 0.99

00:26:03.120 with whoever keys you grab you'd be going back to their house that was the idea you don't want to

00:26:09.020 roll the dice like that

00:26:10.080 it's like it gets worse than a consensual non-consent party i mean at a-list parties you've got the the

00:26:24.620 armband indicating what you're into this is before the aids epidemic i don't care what if you're not

00:26:31.660 like what if they're not hot well i know i hear you but with the point i'm making here is one of the

00:26:36.560 things that i think led to a lot of this like true promiscuity to die down we'll talk about the

00:26:41.300 free love movement in a bit was the aids epidemic in which it was just like no you don't want to go

00:26:45.840 to a party without testing people and have sex with random strangers we have better entertainment

00:26:51.300 options i don't i mean yes concern about stds arose more but i think the much bigger thing is we can just

00:27:00.260 there's so many more fun things we can do consider that at this time what did you have like

00:27:05.180 occasional tv programs if you had a tv radio like fishing board games people would invite you over

00:27:14.340 to their house to play cards i could see sex being a lot more appealing back then i mean

00:27:20.400 they would and what else are you going to do and also like you don't have it even work like you and

00:27:25.300 they're like well we could have sex or we could work more and like this is a crucial time in human

00:27:29.400 history so like often the trade-off is like should we be working or should we have sex

00:27:33.280 and like even back then like you know husband like wife is at home husband finishes his nine

00:27:38.900 to five like literally he doesn't have a telephone like he's not at the office it all is there's not

00:27:43.520 that much work you can even he literally can't work if he wanted to so when he does woodworking or sex

00:27:49.680 like yeah that's like and i mean sex is probably a little more interesting than woodworking so like

00:27:55.340 yeah i could totally see people turning to this because it's parties by the way do not appear to

00:28:00.960 a bit of myth in a 2008 slate article it cites interviews with 1970 swingers who confirmed key

00:28:06.780 parties occurred you would have to have a really trusting and and like you'd have to have a group

00:28:12.780 where everyone just agreed i think it'd have to be like this the secret lives of mormon wives

00:28:16.700 situation where like everyone is equally young and hot you know like we're all sevens to tens here

00:28:22.600 one interview you recalled a 1972 ohio key party where couples used a bowl to swap partners in the

00:28:29.360 1997 film the ice storm portrays a key party in 1970s connecticut reflecting its cultural resonance

00:28:35.960 through dramatization a 2015 new york post notes key parties were a fad between the 1960s and 70s of

00:28:42.600 suburbanites and a 2010 village voice interview with a retired long island couple described attending a

00:28:49.820 1969 key party noting it was awkward but thrilling and involved eight couples that knew each other

00:28:56.240 socially they emphasized it was a one-off experiment and not a regular practice i i think you're right

00:29:02.120 this is all you know people who know each other that's well and who would all be like there's no way

00:29:07.660 it's going to happen if not everyone is like i'm open to any of you because you're not going to play

00:29:13.840 that game of well i mean look at endless parts you can look at our video on like organizing orgies

00:29:18.740 they're so curated yeah and she works so hard to get the right mix of people like all these things and

00:29:24.900 there's all these considerations i mean on one hand like the key party at least you don't have to worry

00:29:31.220 about group dynamics it's all one-on-one but then it's also a little bit more risky that way because

00:29:34.880 there's not the oversight in each individual private household so

00:29:38.160 yeah but i could see you know especially if you're like you know a lot of these women are on benzos 1.00

00:29:47.560 like they're stay-at-home moms they are tired of existing you know like i could see them just being

00:29:53.460 like screw it like just the thrill of not knowing who is going to come to your house could just like

00:30:00.920 they that's that's the rock bottom no i mean like i think we see the the end rot of this sort of

00:30:07.300 mindset in movies like american beauty and stuff like this which was sort of the last era of like

00:30:13.140 couples who had this sort of existential hatred for their lives and everything i think that's why a lot

00:30:17.460 of our generation hasn't gotten married as we saw this in our parents but like i look at my i recently

00:30:21.820 had my dad over and he's just impossible to talk to i you know he's like well you know there's so many

00:30:26.840 things that matter in life like experiences and i was like no the only thing that matters is what you

00:30:30.720 do you know you've got nothing left to live for now this is not a nice thing to say to your dad but i

00:30:35.920 mean i was like but honestly like our life the the weight of our life isn't the years we live

00:30:43.420 or the indulgences that we participate in it is what we do to make the world a better place for the next

00:30:50.080 generation and this as a concept just couldn't get through to a boomer right but i also think that

00:30:56.280 at this time as i was pointing out earlier there weren't a lot of options for people to make the

00:31:02.680 world a better place so what are they going to do with their free time and again i i there's so many

00:31:07.500 things going on right like testosterone levels are dropping sex drive is dropping in general people

00:31:11.640 are off hormonally so i think there's just less inherent little like endogenous chemical drive

00:31:18.160 for sex now but also yeah we are we are more prudish we are a lot more cautious we are a lot more

00:31:24.920 self-conscious we are given so many alternatives that the opportunity cost of pursuing and having sex 0.97

00:31:33.620 even if sex is immediately available is so high absolutely so let's get to the mutual masturbation

00:31:45.120 that was common in the 1950s men or is this women like i would i have found no accounts of women 0.80

00:31:53.040 doing this wouldn't let but like men are a lot of men are well okay actually a lot of men are not

00:31:57.300 turned off by penises in your data right they were like yeah they were okay with like this is weird i 0.80

00:32:03.020 would have found this to be the most disgusting thing ever like i know like is it is it is it a 0.97

00:32:09.480 cultural thing are people like it's a cultural thing i think i think it was just so normalized that

00:32:14.000 this is the way that you did things so to go over some anecdotes here because i find it pretty

00:32:18.360 interesting um kinsey's data suggested mutual masturbation was common among pubescent boys in

00:32:25.800 context like sleepovers and locker rooms he noted it was typically non-romantic at school 0.94

00:32:31.060 locker rooms yes by curiosity or competition and they were quote-unquote called circle jerks i remember i

00:32:37.980 read an account of one of these and and when he says competition he means that literally apparently

00:32:42.900 the comp like who comes faster what or who's bigger come goes farther was like one of the

00:32:48.060 things that they were i wonder how far like is there a guinness book of world records for i don't

00:32:56.260 know but i remember the person who wrote this story this was in a book that i was given on sexuality as

00:33:01.260 a kid and it was somebody talking about their own early sexual experiences okay and they were like i

00:33:06.380 dreamed that one day i could build like an erector set or something that could make mine go even further

00:33:10.780 you know like because anything could be solved with technology the physics yeah well how are you

00:33:15.420 aiming during the stroke yeah you gotta get the perfect this is it playing up what was the old

00:33:20.840 game that we played mine mine you shot like yeah i know what you're talking about yeah there's this

00:33:26.280 old game so a a a 2004 journal a sex research article cites 1950s oral histories remember called

00:33:38.340 neutral masturbation as a quote-unquote normal part of adolescence often in rural or segregated

00:33:43.200 settings with women with female limited with limited female interaction but wait hold on i'm just i'm 0.58

00:33:49.880 trying to think about these circle turns the men have to be turned on like you can't just be like

00:33:54.000 hard just thinking about being the man to come the furthest

00:33:58.080 no they they'd be like can you just can you just get off like without being turned on

00:34:04.380 as a guy like i'm trying to think of how this works okay they're very young they're only

00:34:10.880 keep in mind their their arousal levels are very high because they're so young

00:34:14.680 so like they just need to think about like boobs and then like they're they're good they wouldn't

00:34:18.820 normally turn them on there was a bunch of friends right like one interviewee described it as

00:34:24.980 just fooling around not a big deal in a 1950s iowa farm community they have access to the animals

00:34:32.940 so i'm sure mutual masturbation was like tame because in a 2015 reddit thread r ask historians 0.96

00:34:40.640 featured a user recalling their grandfather's stories of a 1950s circled jerks at a pennsylvania 0.98

00:34:46.400 summer camp describing it as a competitive game among boys not sexualized but just what kids did

00:34:53.060 it seems cooler to me when it's competitive like i'm a lot more interested in this sport of how

00:34:58.980 far can you come i think that is a lot i love that you're like but logistically how did it work

00:35:05.340 well i mean you know as soon as you bring that into it you know like now this is about skill this

00:35:10.020 is about precision this is about physics this is about health like i mean they're timing their

00:35:14.740 frequency of emissions yes yeah you gotta you gotta eat the right things you gotta drink the right

00:35:19.180 things performance okay okay so here's another crazy one which which i for ai i couldn't figure

00:35:26.300 into this after i had to like ask it like okay you're making ai so uncomfortable with all right

00:35:32.180 like so another one that was common historically was group porn viewing where there were this is like

00:35:39.180 those those theaters that that you can sometimes still drive by in old cities right where like the

00:35:44.100 the the the thing that made me aware of this was peewee herman the actor who played him ended up

00:35:49.700 basically paul rubens having his life ruined over being at one of these which i've always felt so

00:35:54.260 bad about it you're going to basically he was masturbating quote unquote in public because he was 0.95

00:35:58.800 masturbating during a porn movie theater oh that doesn't count i'm like what is that does not 0.98

00:36:06.180 everyone there know why they're going there yeah i mean if you're not allowed to masturbate in those 0.99

00:36:13.220 movie theaters article quote sex therapist hoffer questioning police priorities what do they expect 0.83

00:36:19.380 is happening at these movie theaters minitin those movies to become aroused like that that was but you

00:36:25.700 wouldn't do this today no one would do this today like i mean maybe they still exist for like

00:36:30.820 octogenarians or something but like i can't imagine people of our generation being like well i can 0.87

00:36:36.020 watch port on the internet or i could go to a movie theater and masturbate in a room full of other 0.85

00:36:42.660 men masturbating yeah i don't know about this man by the way if you're wondering what what was the 0.98

00:36:49.060 film that got him in trouble it was catalina 5-0 tiger shark nurse nancy and turn up the heat 0.97

00:36:56.180 because i needed to know that it was in 1991 july 26 at the south trail cinema

00:37:07.620 he was fined for 50 in 75 hours of community service and it completely destroyed his career

00:37:13.460 and he was such a good actor i'd like i feel so bad about this like honestly yeah but that also shows

00:37:18.660 like this this this you know diametric right like society was okay with these theaters existing this is a

00:37:24.740 common thing back then that people did but if you were caught and the police did regular stings

00:37:30.100 it could ruin your life if you had a public career yeah oh man now here's another fun one uh-huh

00:37:41.860 okay yeah yeah so we're going to talk about female female and male nudity because it used to be much

00:37:48.260 more common in the 1960s and 1980s public displays of female nudity particularly toplessness

00:37:53.700 were more socially accepted in certain contexts okay beaches festivals and media compared to today

00:37:59.220 yeah during the the the sexual revolution modesty norms were loosened and topless sunbathing became

00:38:05.860 common in europe francis couture azor in certain parts of the usa e.g california's beaches in the 1970s

00:38:12.420 and the 1970s new york city had topless dancing bars in in clubs and it was legal into a 1986 ban per new

00:38:20.740 york times article venues like paulo's retreat a 1970 swingers club featured open nudity among men

00:38:26.580 and women as part of the era's sexual liberation yeah and in 1964 introduction of the monokini a

00:38:32.660 topless swimsuit by designer ruby gurnich was celebrated as a feminist statement was women wearing

00:38:39.780 it publicly in los angeles in new york per a 1964 life magazine feature okay arrests were rare and often

00:38:47.300 overturned in fact at woodstock festival attendees record women going topless to the 1969 event

00:38:54.420 describing it as liberating and normal unlike today which is kind of crazy yeah but when we did it we

00:39:02.980 actually stood for something we actually stood for something i mean remember woodstock sharon we actually

00:39:06.900 did something there

00:39:08.100 yeah i mean as you and i grew up i remember a whole lot more nudity and i do i remember i know for a fact

00:39:37.540 i remember like the allure of all of this like nudist communes it's not that they don't still exist but

00:39:44.020 it's a significantly smaller well i think now it's sexualized whereas before it was more normal or like

00:39:50.100 even just families like your parents sometimes wouldn't bother to put swimsuits on you and that

00:39:55.460 my parents too and they're there are photos from like oh yeah i remember at the island like all of the

00:40:00.660 the the the bahamian kids would swim naked like yeah because well yeah because like why get your 0.90

00:40:04.980 swimsuit dirty why buy a swimsuit you know why why you know yeah it there are elements of it that make

00:40:10.820 a lot of sense and yeah it's just i think now we've become hypersensitized to sex in many ways you know

00:40:19.700 we're like oh this is a big deal which is interesting yeah i guess i never thought about the fact that really

00:40:24.980 society has become a lot more conservative in terms of clothing it's not just that so also public

00:40:34.180 like events where everyone is expected to be nude were much more common historically

00:40:38.260 a 1940s life magazine feature on women's bathhouses described nudity as practical and social 0.89

00:40:44.420 which women tried it openly while bathing well no that's still like that's still the case in onsen 0.97

00:40:50.020 in japan in in japan but not in the i've been to like as i said as a kid i went to like a naked like

00:40:56.820 hot spring in the united states and i remember feeling deeply uncomfortable and i would be very

00:41:01.300 surprised if it was still naked or not like a weird thing for it to be naked in the united states

00:41:06.820 and in japan when i've done this it's been like deeply i have not enjoyed this this culturally for me

00:41:13.700 i was raised never wanting to be naked around other men or i don't know i mean like as a kid

00:41:20.580 i guess as a when when you become a teenager right just in case you're wondering when the height of the

00:41:25.300 nude beach phenomenon was it was in the 1960s and in oral histories from the 1950s and 60s college

00:41:31.140 women cited a 2005 journal in social history recall communal showers being a routine an embarrassment rare 1.00

00:41:38.740 and and a 2015 slate essay by a woman recalling 1960s ymca swim classes described noob swimming as

00:41:45.300 mandatory and uncontroversial so nude swimming was at the ymca

00:41:54.660 then you have so that's yeah that's that's also not serious swimming because you need to streamline

00:42:02.020 your body to be a good swimmer you want like you don't want the person you're immediately

00:42:08.500 thinking of the practical concern well no it's true like you don't like you all you do as a

00:42:13.860 as a competitive swimmer to like in terms of what you're thinking about with your body is how do i

00:42:18.340 eliminate drag you're doing that with your forming you're doing that with like tight tight swimsuits 0.97

00:42:22.660 i mean like you've seen how much like modern like olympians are compared to like historic olympians and

00:42:28.420 like you know like historic olympians is like a somersault

00:42:36.820 i broke my leg and kept going yeah no it's people are it's it's amazing how athletes have just

00:42:43.220 made everything crazy the hippie community so if you look at things like california sandstone retreat

00:42:48.900 from 1968 to 1976 it encouraged open sexuality with men and women engaging in group sex and partner

00:42:54.180 sharing by the rejection of monogamous norms for 1972 to feature these communities for example by

00:43:01.300 life magazine in in 1970 estimated 2 000 u.s communes with 50 000 to 100 000 participants golly

00:43:10.020 like sex sharing communes well you know what i'd also be interested to to know from like burning man

00:43:17.620 veterans is is nudity at burning man less of a thing now because it was pervasive even when i went

00:43:24.980 in 2005 but maybe now it's just not maybe people aren't you know

00:43:36.340 walking around burning man naked anymore i wonder i think part of it's also an awareness of of skin

00:43:41.140 cancer as well though like you're covering up not just because you feel self-conscious but because

00:43:48.020 the world itself is hostile like the the male gaze is hostile the female gaze is hostile the sun is 0.96

00:43:54.500 hostile everything's just out to hurt your body so you must cover it up yeah and grok says burning man

00:44:02.980 nudity has gone down dramatically over time how does well okay grok yeah this is this is what i thought

00:44:09.700 no i can totally see that right like it starts by being super countercultural you get more people and

00:44:14.740 now it's like the new coachella yeah and now there's like you know five or you know you'll see a few nude 0.90

00:44:20.020 people a day but they're more like exhibitionists five damn what how many did you see when you were there 0.95

00:44:28.180 a lot and it was all like kids were running around naked like little wild animals and 0.91

00:44:34.740 adults and i mean the really refreshing thing about burning man when i went in 2005

00:44:40.260 or four four or five was that the naked people weren't ugly because in all the other contexts in 0.88

00:44:46.500 which i typically saw naked people it was they were exhibitionists in like you know during like pride

00:44:52.740 month in san francisco or something and quite often they were not attractive you know they were oh my god i

00:44:57.380 i remember going what was it folsom street fair i used to yeah and then you're just like you're not

00:45:02.180 typically like though like i don't know i think it pride related events the people who go naked

00:45:10.500 are not attractive for whatever i don't know if it's like the attractive ones know they can charge

00:45:14.020 no it's for cinnabites we've talked about this before okay well anyway

00:45:18.020 cinnabite lifestyle okay yeah what was unique at burning man was the naked people were on average fit

00:45:22.980 and attractive and like fine it was it was not weird it was not like creepy

00:45:27.220 it was just hey you don't have to wear clothes here so do it you know i i work close but but i

00:45:33.780 guess if we're looking for where has society become more sexually restrictive over time i think a few

00:45:39.700 areas one is areas in which men used to have to find other ways to get off or used to have a a a

00:45:47.460 larger a domain of ways to get off before online porn like before online porn was normalized

00:45:54.100 it was what were your options a freaking magazine a comic book that you you had to use my partner 0.97

00:46:01.380 and ask for rule 34 i'm gonna ask my friends hey you want to do the jack off competition

00:46:06.580 um like i think that a lot of this is just like there's other things to access now i think another

00:46:13.220 thing is is that genuinely the idea of being nude around the same gender peers has become dramatically

00:46:19.940 less normalized malcolm the idea of being around peers has become far less normalized people don't

00:46:26.900 hang out with friends physically that why be nude around them right like yeah uh so i think that

00:46:32.660 that's been a big part of what we've seen i think access to animals but also sexual restrictions

00:46:38.020 around morality have become more normalized instead of sexual restrictions for just the sake of

00:46:42.900 restriction where you you have to deal with like the consent of an animal or something like that

00:46:47.380 and again i'll never understand people be like well the animal and the cow doesn't consent

00:46:52.340 that i ate it like i i'm sure it was dramatically more concerned about that than anything else i don't

00:46:58.260 want to be seen as like arguing for this stuff because i i have no horse in this i do not

00:47:03.620 of all the things i do not yeah you're into stuff but this is not one of them this is not this stuff

00:47:10.660 but i don't so also just when it comes back to zoophilia i don't know how much people are really

00:47:14.900 into zoophilia as as they are into like i just don't have to talk with a human for this

00:47:21.460 that's what a lot of them say it's they don't have to do with judgment like it's not that they

00:47:24.900 would like to have a lot of this trend of like white but now we've read real dolls we have we have

00:47:29.460 fleshlights and real dolls and i feel like they were the original fleshlights and real dolls now we

00:47:34.740 just now we have the large dogs are the real dogs for for progressive white women there were specific 1.00

00:47:41.620 breeds they weren't necessarily they were larger dogs like she like remember she'd like paw choice

00:47:47.620 she's like well you got to be careful about the claws and like oh god i love how much it stresses you

00:47:57.140 it burned into my i'd like i don't know why why we looked into that there are some really interesting

00:48:04.980 topics to explore because we always view our grandparents generation as being like these moral

00:48:11.860 saints and i'm like you know like 40 of men participated in circle jerks of that generation

00:48:17.220 like they were not the the moral paragons we see them of today i don't know though like the the the

00:48:23.780 competition element may turns it for me into good clean fun well making fun of your body

00:48:30.020 well i guess what i'm saying is when i say deviance in their own they were deviance in their own ways

00:48:35.780 but they were wholesome was in their own communities because yeah so to me like in in the age of king

00:48:42.260 louis the no no marie antoinette sorry i'm mixing up my my eras the the court the french court was very

00:48:48.340 young and one thing that they did to amuse themselves was have farting contests on who could

00:48:54.420 best imitate the sound of like a fine trumpet and i think this is like i'm putting these things in

00:48:59.860 the same category of just like body humor and people being bored i think it's like a key party

00:49:05.860 is very different it's turning to specifically sex as as entertainment so yeah i don't know

00:49:16.820 i found all this fascinating to go into because it's something that i hadn't considered well debauched

00:49:21.860 the past used to be well and this this definitely slots in to people's recognition that gen z and gen

00:49:28.500 alpha are quite in in many ways showing signs of extreme prudishness if not at least religious

00:49:35.860 conservatism well no like it's a combination of sexlessness religious conservatism and prudishness

00:49:43.620 but i think there's a big difference between being a full synabite which some people of this

00:49:48.100 generation are just like absolute like anything goes i'm gonna die dedicate my entire life to arousal and

00:49:55.300 self-validation except here's the thing no if you are more fully pushing toward hedonistic pleasure

00:50:02.420 in our age you are not going to pursue sex because sex exposes you to potential rejection

00:50:08.500 it exposes you to potential physical discomfort it has logistical complications that involves a lot

00:50:13.780 of tedium a huge amount of tedium from the hedonists they they end up becoming lewd tubers we did the

00:50:18.500 antevalence episode where we like discussed the life of a synabite somebody who went down this path

00:50:24.260 and and and she has eventually withdrawn from public life and just does online stuff because she has too

00:50:30.580 much rejection well and and because yeah the most hedonistic choice now involves zero sex it is it is

00:50:37.220 not the most hedonistic choice so i think really in the future sex is going to be a self-identity based

00:50:44.500 thing it's not going to be for pleasure no i agree i agree as we get these ai worlds these vi avatars

00:50:51.060 etc vr avatars i think that that people who are seduced by a lifestyle of hedonism are always going

00:50:56.820 to have better options and sex will be like a a diligent thing that's done between like granola

00:51:02.580 husband and wives to have yes yeah no and you know it's so funny because the one of the catchphrases

00:51:08.820 of nor sadiki the founder of orchid which does polygenic risk or selection is sex is for fun ivf

00:51:16.100 is for babies or something like that right like just like that kind of distinguishing future trend

00:51:21.780 but yeah sex is for fun is out like we've already passed that we are in a post-sex age and i don't

00:51:27.220 think people realize i i didn't realize until we had this conversation just how far into that we were

00:51:33.060 that we are no longer we as kids like a billion years ago because we're so freaking old didn't

00:51:39.300 even use the shared shower locker rooms of our high schools that's crazy it's it's wild to think about

00:51:47.300 where society is going but i think it's better i i think a society where sex is a duty as it was

00:51:53.540 historically is better than a society where sex is an indulgence you said duty for for both men and

00:52:00.820 women because they always know that anything else they could do is is it's going to be more arousing 1.00

00:52:04.980 than sex because they got the vr environment with anyone they want you know no i know you can like

00:52:09.460 yeah no matter if you're male or female there is there is some tech-driven solution that will

00:52:15.540 be better at optimizing for physical hedonic pleasure well i think that cultures that can't do

00:52:20.900 this recontextualization are going to go extinct cultures is still trying to tell people as we saw with

00:52:26.980 with many cultures in our own generation a lot of these questions are like well if you wait for 0.96

00:52:29.940 marriage it's going to be better and then they were like wait this isn't better this sucks 0.89

00:52:34.260 sex isn't that good why why why did i build this up because that's the thing you were supposed to be 1.00

00:52:38.820 doing it was supposed to be doing you you live a life to sacrifice for the next generation well and

00:52:43.460 i think other religions though like one of our favorite ex-mormon influencers bemoans the extent to

00:52:49.780 which the lds church communicated to young women that sex wasn't going to be pleasurable if anything

00:52:55.860 it was going to be painful and here are things to prepare for that to communicate to young women

00:53:01.540 i don't disagree with you but what i'm saying is that like i don't think it it has even been a

00:53:07.700 pervasive sexual strategy of of christian denominations or or religious denominations to

00:53:15.060 say that sex is is for pleasure i i think that you know for most people it's just like there's been a 0.60

00:53:20.580 recent thing where where some christians have tried to catch up with the secular world by being

00:53:25.620 do it our way it's better and it's no come on it's a duty yeah um and it's now it's an unnecessary

00:53:32.660 duty it's so fun when our sons ask us like where did i come from like i've i've explained this to them

00:53:40.660 like i've had conversations with our kids when they like ask us like you know like well okay so

00:53:45.620 you know this is how you know animals and some humans make other humans mommy and daddy took parts 0.59

00:53:52.580 of them using medical science and had technicians in a lab combine them and i like show them videos of

00:53:59.220 like embryologists like they're like god did for jesus yes because we know it's joseph sperm otherwise

00:54:05.940 he wouldn't be the messiah because the messiah had to come from the divinic line so we know that god is an

00:54:10.420 ivf doctor it's just so cool though like i i would have been so much more comfortable as a kid

00:54:15.300 thinking that i was the result of my parents really working very hard to create me and using

00:54:22.020 scientists and using testing and making sure i had every best chance instead of like oh i got drunk

00:54:28.980 one night and like you know well i know right like love shot so dinner tonight we're getting close to

00:54:34.820 the end here yeah it's you're gonna have to wait because it's gonna take me a while to make all that

00:54:39.300 you do in penang well that's what you wanted right of course it's what i wanted but if you

00:54:44.100 want to do something faster or reheat something tonight that's also okay do we have the german

00:54:49.620 journalist coming tomorrow because i can do a big penane batch when he's here yeah he'd like that i

00:54:54.580 did that for the journalist okay when is he coming is he coming tomorrow tomorrow it's wednesday tomorrow

00:54:58.980 yes oh my gosh time flies okay so yeah sorry i was just checking my calendar so then tonight

00:55:05.300 i can do would you like to do the mango curry or would you like to do yeah reheat the mango curry

00:55:13.620 and put in some pineapple yeah okay i think that that's the appropriate that is the correct answer

00:55:19.460 i saw in comments from yesterday's or the today's episode that ran they're just like just say what

00:55:26.100 you're having for dinner what are you having for dinner oh we didn't do it what we're having for

00:55:29.940 dinner they need that at the end it's it's i mean it's an incomplete episode when we do not discuss

00:55:35.060 because we do typically two episodes a day and then we split them up to try to make them work on

00:55:39.220 on you know multiple days so we're only doing the dinner conversation once for the two episodes uh

00:55:46.740 i'm sorry i'm so sorry you guys you didn't get to hear what i'm having for dinner

00:55:52.260 but it's so sweet come on we we live in this world where people don't talk about your mango curry was

00:55:57.300 really good by the way but you probably want to add a few of the red eye the tie yeah absolutely

00:56:04.100 yeah yeah they're still pretty good yeah i'll add some of those i will add um it doesn't need coconut

00:56:11.300 milk i'll just add pineapple and we're good to go if you want to add some coconut milk i would not mind

00:56:16.580 at all because we got to get rid of that right and if you boil it down that could be nice i think i'll

00:56:20.820 be able to use it a lot of it if i make a big batch of penang curry so not double check that we have

00:56:26.420 the pudding stuff i will thank you because i'm pretty sure we never threw that out even though

00:56:30.980 it expired long ago but i don't think it's gonna go bad expiration dates are a scam it's a conspiracy

00:56:38.020 it no it's it's it is a conspiracy i agree 100 percent in most cases stuff every every eight years

00:56:43.780 you know come on

00:56:48.020 you say that and yet you only expired things and i just eat my way through them and i'm super

00:56:51.700 okay with that because she eats expired milk like milk does expire my stomach is made out of

00:56:58.260 like steel i feel nothing i'm like no we are actually like ravenous like the backwoods

00:57:04.900 monsters like you're you eating like active fire fire i am always shocked i'm like if society

00:57:11.940 understood like what you and i actually are biologically they'd be like oh they can mimic 0.90

00:57:16.980 polite society but they are not polite society

00:57:22.660 yeah you can tell it when you see our children playing out you know it's like wild raccoons and

00:57:26.900 they're like oh that's what you are no i i see i see i see the kid who we like will send to take

00:57:33.460 care of them like running from them and then like the oldest will like jump on him and then the rest

00:57:37.860 pounce on him as he falls over i feel so bad yeah that's pretty funny though i'm like oh no it's a

00:57:45.700 gang it's a gang at collins going after him it's just how they show love it's just yeah anyway not it's

00:57:52.980 how they troll people they understand i see in our kids titan especially she always starts it 0.91

00:57:59.620 love you too well so so you remember how i pointed out that that one of our podcast listeners was

00:58:07.380 telling me like oh the it was the legalization of gay marriage that caused all of this dei and 0.99

00:58:14.660 trans stuff to explode and the the catholic community saw it coming and that's one of the 1.00

00:58:19.860 big reasons that makes no sense and i was like that can't be like i don't understand gay marriage has

00:58:25.620 nothing to do with trans rights and actually the legalization of gay marriage did a lot to

00:58:30.740 undermine the lgbt movement because it split off the real lgbt from the crazy ones so yeah and i i 0.92

00:58:38.180 mean i see that too but i'm just like i don't see how suddenly the legalization of gay marriage could

00:58:42.660 lead to all these other things but she pointed out and suddenly i was like oh this sounds credible

00:58:49.460 if you're a non-profit who's who has raised millions of dollars to legalize gay marriage in

00:58:55.380 the united states and then gay marriage in the united states is legalized what do you do the day

00:59:01.700 after it's legalized you just like okay closing shop we're all done here that's the thing we have

00:59:08.020 to shut down these organizations now you know this is why you know i have such antipathy towards these

00:59:13.380 organizations and why i think many organizations that historically served an important role in our

00:59:16.740 country need to be in yeah they need to be spun down same with the government i mean this is something

00:59:20.820 you point out in the privatist guide to governance in general is that in an ideal world organizations

00:59:26.660 wouldn't last that long they wouldn't get that big this is this is this is a bit like saying we should

00:59:30.820 be structurally racist as a society so the organizations that were built to fight structural racism you know

00:59:37.140 still had something to fight instead of the crazy dei stuff they fight for today well it's like no we

00:59:42.340 should fix structural racism so they have no reason to exist and then wind them down yeah because they that

00:59:47.300 they don't need to exist anymore but so i was like okay but did this actually happen did the non-profits

00:59:54.500 that decided that they wanted to continue to exist then switch to promoting trans rights and dei and so

01:00:03.860 i asked perplexity to do deep research on this using i mean i love that perplexity pro like a man like

01:00:10.420 premium ai services are great and indeed after the legalization of gay marriage in the united states in

01:00:16.580 2015 many non-profits and advocacy organizations had that had focused on marriage equality shifted

01:00:22.500 their attention and resources to a range of other pressing issues affecting the lgbtq plus community

01:00:29.380 so they they really did switch to one anti-discrimination protections two transgender rights three youth

01:00:36.980 support and mental health see how that went like making it a big thing racial and economic justice

01:00:42.500 elder support which okay i'm fine with hiv aids and health activity and community buildings so they

01:00:48.180 also gave a table of example organizations and their evolving missions so lambda legal went from

01:00:54.660 marriage litigation and then after the the legalization of gay marriage focused on anti-discrimination

01:01:01.140 transgender rights healthcare immigration and police misconduct which all became very divisive issues in the united

01:01:07.620 states during this period the national center for transgender equality went from policy advocacy

01:01:13.540 to legal recognition healthcare access and fighting for anti-trans healthcare legislation free drugs to

01:01:20.580 transition the trevor project shifted from youth crisis intervention to expanded mental health services

01:01:25.940 suicide prevention and advocacy for inclusive therapy inclusive school policies is what they call it

01:01:32.180 sage went from elder advocacy to continued support for lgbtq rights fighting age-related discrimination

01:01:38.340 and the equality federation went from state level advocacy to ending conversion therapy protecting

01:01:42.980 gender affirming and reproductive care and anti-discrimination laws so it does seem that after gay marriage was

01:01:49.460 legalized that their attention was then just redirected to more extreme things which we would associate you know

01:01:57.220 including youth mental health focus which of course comes from a good place but ultimately we argue

01:02:02.900 to make things a lot worse conversion therapy yeah yeah i mean one yeah like isolates people from

01:02:08.420 not not conversion into gayness conversion into transness this is this is what this thing is and you you

01:02:13.140 can't talk someone into being gay but you can't talk them into being trans 1.00

01:02:15.700 okay you want you want to try that titan go ahead you can eat it all because i don't need it anymore 0.98

01:02:26.580 yeah you don't want to eat any of your cotton candy right tell me do you like it bunny

01:02:32.100 yeah so you can eat it all yay i can eat it yeah look at your big blue cloud of cotton candy

01:02:40.900 yeah take a bite of it is it yummy yeah take a bite

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The 1950s Where Sexually Degenerate by Modern Standards

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